Cherries: Zubar completes Bury loan move (updated)

BOSS Eddie Howe confirmed that the need to balance Cherries' squad numbers played a part in the decision to allow Stephane Zubar to join Bury on loan.

The defender this afternoon completed the move on a temporary deal until the end of the season.

Howe told the Daily Echo: “The thinking behind it is we need to address the balance in the squad.

“We brought in three players last week and, both from a squad management and financial point of view, these decisions must be made and we must balance it.

“From our perspective, we are a League One club and what we can't do is carry a squad that is too big in numbers.

“We have always said that we want a tight, lean squad and a manageable number because you can only pick 18.”

Zubar's exit came after Howe had drafted in Southampton loan man Dan Seaborne to boost his defensive resources, with winger Ryan Fraser and goalkeeper Ryan Allsop also signing.

Centre-half Zubar had seen his first-team opportunities limited after making just three appearances for Cherries this term.

Zubar, who agreed a new three-and-a-half-year contract with Cherries in February, joined the Dorset club as a free agent in September 2011.

Having left Plymouth Argyle, the 26-year-old became a fans' favourite in his debut campaign at Dean Court as he made 25 appearances.

But a combination of injuries and Cherries' form under Howe saw Zubar fall down the pecking order.

Howe added: “He is going to a good club. Hopefully, he will do well, enjoy his loan spell and get what he wants out of it.”

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4:25pm Thu 24 Jan 13

afcb_bob says...

Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one.

I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages)
Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one. I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages) afcb_bob
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4:25pm Thu 24 Jan 13

CC C-siders says...

Zubar is a great player and a real shame he hasn't made an appearance under Eddie. Hopefully this will help him.
In Eddie we trust!
Zubar is a great player and a real shame he hasn't made an appearance under Eddie. Hopefully this will help him. In Eddie we trust! CC C-siders
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4:28pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Mike Oxbig says...

afcb_bob wrote:
Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one.

I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages)
Hard to get rid of our Edam munching chums, if nobody wants them......
[quote][p][bold]afcb_bob[/bold] wrote: Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one. I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages)[/p][/quote]Hard to get rid of our Edam munching chums, if nobody wants them...... Mike Oxbig
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4:36pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Deejaycee says...

Not only will he get some playing time, with any luck he'll put a spanner in the works of the clubs we are in contention with.
Not only will he get some playing time, with any luck he'll put a spanner in the works of the clubs we are in contention with. Deejaycee
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4:36pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Renegade Master says...

Mike Oxbig wrote:
afcb_bob wrote:
Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one.

I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages)
Hard to get rid of our Edam munching chums, if nobody wants them......
I agree Mike. Thanks to dumb and dumber and our highly experienced director of (Playstation) football, we have been lumbered with two players who are not up to the job and should never have been signed in the first place. Such incompetence is the reason Maxim Demin stepped in and changed things before his investment became worthless.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb_bob[/bold] wrote: Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one. I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages)[/p][/quote]Hard to get rid of our Edam munching chums, if nobody wants them......[/p][/quote]I agree Mike. Thanks to dumb and dumber and our highly experienced director of (Playstation) football, we have been lumbered with two players who are not up to the job and should never have been signed in the first place. Such incompetence is the reason Maxim Demin stepped in and changed things before his investment became worthless. The Renegade Master
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4:40pm Thu 24 Jan 13

AFCB_Lanky says...

Demouge was recommended to Groves my Demin. so i dunno if we will be getting rid of him in the near future.
Demouge was recommended to Groves my Demin. so i dunno if we will be getting rid of him in the near future. AFCB_Lanky
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4:49pm Thu 24 Jan 13

molbol says...

The Renegade Master wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote:
afcb_bob wrote:
Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one.

I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages)
Hard to get rid of our Edam munching chums, if nobody wants them......
I agree Mike. Thanks to dumb and dumber and our highly experienced director of (Playstation) football, we have been lumbered with two players who are not up to the job and should never have been signed in the first place. Such incompetence is the reason Maxim Demin stepped in and changed things before his investment became worthless.
Max pays their wages, not the club. He was also the one who wanted Demouge in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]The Renegade Master[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb_bob[/bold] wrote: Umm... I know we're cutting the squad and everything but defence is the one position we're low. Our fully fit, and available defenders list is Elphick and Seaborne. Francis + Daniels are struggling with injuries, and Cook is obviously not going to be around for a while. Seems a strange one. I'd much rather be getting rid of the Dutch duo who are likely to be on high wages. (That doesn't mean loaning them to Aldershot and still playing full wages)[/p][/quote]Hard to get rid of our Edam munching chums, if nobody wants them......[/p][/quote]I agree Mike. Thanks to dumb and dumber and our highly experienced director of (Playstation) football, we have been lumbered with two players who are not up to the job and should never have been signed in the first place. Such incompetence is the reason Maxim Demin stepped in and changed things before his investment became worthless.[/p][/quote]Max pays their wages, not the club. He was also the one who wanted Demouge in the first place. molbol
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5:28pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Justin Otherfan says...

Seems a strange one considering injuries at the moment. Apparently Seaborne can play anywhere in the back four so I would have thought we could play Zubar in the middle and use Seaborne on the flank if Francis or Daniels can't play. I am sure that there is a plan. I can't see them letting him go without one.
Seems a strange one considering injuries at the moment. Apparently Seaborne can play anywhere in the back four so I would have thought we could play Zubar in the middle and use Seaborne on the flank if Francis or Daniels can't play. I am sure that there is a plan. I can't see them letting him go without one. Justin Otherfan
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6:48pm Thu 24 Jan 13

merley girl says...

To all the comments - trust in Eddie.
To all the comments - trust in Eddie. merley girl
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6:51pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Afcb4life says...

Zubar class would rather addison went out on loan to get some game time
Zubar class would rather addison went out on loan to get some game time Afcb4life
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7:16pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Wilkie says...

Must be some big personality issue with Zubar for someone of his class to have been given the cold shoulder. I suppose Matty Tubbs will be the next one to be leant out. Seems so unfair given the chances that Addison, Thomas and Pitman are given. Disappointing, but trust that Eddie and Jason know what the are doing.
Must be some big personality issue with Zubar for someone of his class to have been given the cold shoulder. I suppose Matty Tubbs will be the next one to be leant out. Seems so unfair given the chances that Addison, Thomas and Pitman are given. Disappointing, but trust that Eddie and Jason know what the are doing. Wilkie
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7:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bigfatsteve says...

I don't know what the issues are regarding Zubar, every time he played for the club he put in a good performance. It seems strange that Eddie brought in Seaborne without giving Zubar a chance, with a three and a half year I thought he would have had an opportunity. How long is Cook out for? The much publicised trial, doesn't make good reading in the Echo. Without being too judgmental and not knowing all the facts It's a sad reflection on today's society, that these sort of things, seem to occur too often within the footballing world.
I don't know what the issues are regarding Zubar, every time he played for the club he put in a good performance. It seems strange that Eddie brought in Seaborne without giving Zubar a chance, with a three and a half year I thought he would have had an opportunity. How long is Cook out for? The much publicised trial, doesn't make good reading in the Echo. Without being too judgmental and not knowing all the facts It's a sad reflection on today's society, that these sort of things, seem to occur too often within the footballing world. bigfatsteve
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7:59pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Afcbpete says...

Wilkie wrote:
Must be some big personality issue with Zubar for someone of his class to have been given the cold shoulder. I suppose Matty Tubbs will be the next one to be leant out. Seems so unfair given the chances that Addison, Thomas and Pitman are given. Disappointing, but trust that Eddie and Jason know what the are doing.
have to say I totally agree with your post...
[quote][p][bold]Wilkie[/bold] wrote: Must be some big personality issue with Zubar for someone of his class to have been given the cold shoulder. I suppose Matty Tubbs will be the next one to be leant out. Seems so unfair given the chances that Addison, Thomas and Pitman are given. Disappointing, but trust that Eddie and Jason know what the are doing.[/p][/quote]have to say I totally agree with your post... Afcbpete
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8:26pm Thu 24 Jan 13

dc addict says...

Well, if this proves anything, it's that, after all these years playing and watching football, I don't know what I'm talking about.
I've always championed Zubar and I'm not going to stop now. He's our quickest centre back, a good tackler, the equal of any of them in the air and his positional play has never exactly been poor. I've not seen him have a bad game and he is a much better player than Addison.
In my opinion, Eddie has made an error and AFCB's loss is Bury's gain.
This boy Seabourne must be some player!!
I'm sure the footballing sages on this forum will say "What do you know compared with Eddie you ####, or something similar, but I just don't understand it.
Well, if this proves anything, it's that, after all these years playing and watching football, I don't know what I'm talking about. I've always championed Zubar and I'm not going to stop now. He's our quickest centre back, a good tackler, the equal of any of them in the air and his positional play has never exactly been poor. I've not seen him have a bad game and he is a much better player than Addison. In my opinion, Eddie has made an error and AFCB's loss is Bury's gain. This boy Seabourne must be some player!! I'm sure the footballing sages on this forum will say "What do you know compared with Eddie you ####, or something similar, but I just don't understand it. dc addict
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9:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

TedMacsCherryPants says...

Good luck Stephane, you always seemed too good a player to not even make the bench, do some damage for us at Bury! InE&JWT
Good luck Stephane, you always seemed too good a player to not even make the bench, do some damage for us at Bury! InE&JWT TedMacsCherryPants
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9:11pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Strawbs_78 says...

I can't believe the stick that davids and demouge get on here. They are easily good enough to be top players in this division. Last season they both played regular top flight football in germany and holland respectively, which to point out to people who think english football is the be all and end all, are both much higher standards than our lge 1. You clearly weren't at the leyton orient game when davids was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch after he came on! Give them a break!
I can't believe the stick that davids and demouge get on here. They are easily good enough to be top players in this division. Last season they both played regular top flight football in germany and holland respectively, which to point out to people who think english football is the be all and end all, are both much higher standards than our lge 1. You clearly weren't at the leyton orient game when davids was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch after he came on! Give them a break! Strawbs_78
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9:19pm Thu 24 Jan 13

talbotruss says...

It's absolutely clear that there must be some sort of personality issue with Zubar because all three of the managers he has had here have tended to ignore him.

Bradbury always preferred Barrett (when fit) with Cook and then brought in Addison on loan.

Groves signed Addison up along with Elphick and paired those two with Cook as next in line; and now Eddie clearly also has Zubar at the back of the queue in that quartet, even further proven now that Seaborne has arrived.

Given that Zubar was pretty much universally popular with the fans (and rightly so) and seemingly was pretty much always fit and available, what other explanation can there be?

Also, Eddie's hope that he (Zubar) gets what he wants out of this move hardly sounds like any sort of ringing endorsement of a player that he'd like to return, sounding instead like it roughly translates as "hopefully he'll play well enough to earn a move in the summer so we can cash in".

Shame, as on the face of it he should have become established as a first choice centre back but I suspect this is the last we'll see of him.
It's absolutely clear that there must be some sort of personality issue with Zubar because all three of the managers he has had here have tended to ignore him. Bradbury always preferred Barrett (when fit) with Cook and then brought in Addison on loan. Groves signed Addison up along with Elphick and paired those two with Cook as next in line; and now Eddie clearly also has Zubar at the back of the queue in that quartet, even further proven now that Seaborne has arrived. Given that Zubar was pretty much universally popular with the fans (and rightly so) and seemingly was pretty much always fit and available, what other explanation can there be? Also, Eddie's hope that he (Zubar) gets what he wants out of this move hardly sounds like any sort of ringing endorsement of a player that he'd like to return, sounding instead like it roughly translates as "hopefully he'll play well enough to earn a move in the summer so we can cash in". Shame, as on the face of it he should have become established as a first choice centre back but I suspect this is the last we'll see of him. talbotruss
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9:37pm Thu 24 Jan 13

talbotruss says...

Strawbs_78 wrote:
I can't believe the stick that davids and demouge get on here. They are easily good enough to be top players in this division. Last season they both played regular top flight football in germany and holland respectively, which to point out to people who think english football is the be all and end all, are both much higher standards than our lge 1. You clearly weren't at the leyton orient game when davids was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch after he came on! Give them a break!
Yep, definitely agree with that. Davids looked very good for the 50 minutes or so that he got against Orient and doesn't seem to have had a sniff since.
I thought Demouge looked decent on his debut against Walsall, despite being thrown in when not fully fit, but he also is getting ignored.

I think it's a case of them having been signed by Groves and most people are happy to bash them for that reason, completely disregarding the twin factors that - as mentioned - they're established top flight players abroad, and also, neither have been given a proper run in the team.

Hardly fair to dismiss them as poor signings on that basis!
[quote][p][bold]Strawbs_78[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the stick that davids and demouge get on here. They are easily good enough to be top players in this division. Last season they both played regular top flight football in germany and holland respectively, which to point out to people who think english football is the be all and end all, are both much higher standards than our lge 1. You clearly weren't at the leyton orient game when davids was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch after he came on! Give them a break![/p][/quote]Yep, definitely agree with that. Davids looked very good for the 50 minutes or so that he got against Orient and doesn't seem to have had a sniff since. I thought Demouge looked decent on his debut against Walsall, despite being thrown in when not fully fit, but he also is getting ignored. I think it's a case of them having been signed by Groves and most people are happy to bash them for that reason, completely disregarding the twin factors that - as mentioned - they're established top flight players abroad, and also, neither have been given a proper run in the team. Hardly fair to dismiss them as poor signings on that basis! talbotruss
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8:15am Fri 25 Jan 13

let football be the winner says...

here here to all no one has given the Dutch pairing a proper chance and would prefer to Demouge on bench over supa Donkey, and Davids to Partington, and Zubar is/was our best centre back in the last couple of years.
here here to all no one has given the Dutch pairing a proper chance and would prefer to Demouge on bench over supa Donkey, and Davids to Partington, and Zubar is/was our best centre back in the last couple of years. let football be the winner
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9:24am Fri 25 Jan 13

jontee says...

What this does show is how much respect Eddie has from all of us. NO other manager could have done this without being pilloried !
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That said I think we are all mystified. I don't know about personalities but it would seem Eddie just doesn't rate Zubar. If he did he would use him. I think Eddie would work on a personality issue. He is obviously a good man manager. But then as has been said, none of the managers have used Zubar as first choice.
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As for the Dutch players, are they properly fit yet ? I don't think they fit in with Eddies plans. Totally agree they should never have been signed. But as with the other dross, you can't get rid of them while they are in contract if no-one else wants them.
What this does show is how much respect Eddie has from all of us. NO other manager could have done this without being pilloried ! . That said I think we are all mystified. I don't know about personalities but it would seem Eddie just doesn't rate Zubar. If he did he would use him. I think Eddie would work on a personality issue. He is obviously a good man manager. But then as has been said, none of the managers have used Zubar as first choice. . As for the Dutch players, are they properly fit yet ? I don't think they fit in with Eddies plans. Totally agree they should never have been signed. But as with the other dross, you can't get rid of them while they are in contract if no-one else wants them. jontee
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10:27am Fri 25 Jan 13

Square Old Codger says...

Like many other supporters I am surprised to see Zubar go, particularly given the doubts about Cook's future and the lack of cover for central defence. I have always rated him as a player and somewhat disappointed that he hasn't been given a chance , I can only think that there must be other reasons for his non selection, our loss and Bury's gain!As for our Dutch dou, I believe that there are fitness and stamina doubts, but they are both big earners and seem a long way from a place in the team, the progress that O'Kane is making and the return of Shaun McDonald will push Davids further back too. But, the reported interest from a Dutch Club appears to have waned and there doesn't appear to be a great deal of interest in them. I would have thought that once young Fraser is fit, the stream of crosses from both wings , just might mean that Demouge is given a chance. It will be interesting to see what Eddie does.
Like many other supporters I am surprised to see Zubar go, particularly given the doubts about Cook's future and the lack of cover for central defence. I have always rated him as a player and somewhat disappointed that he hasn't been given a chance , I can only think that there must be other reasons for his non selection, our loss and Bury's gain!As for our Dutch dou, I believe that there are fitness and stamina doubts, but they are both big earners and seem a long way from a place in the team, the progress that O'Kane is making and the return of Shaun McDonald will push Davids further back too. But, the reported interest from a Dutch Club appears to have waned and there doesn't appear to be a great deal of interest in them. I would have thought that once young Fraser is fit, the stream of crosses from both wings , just might mean that Demouge is given a chance. It will be interesting to see what Eddie does. Square Old Codger
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11:57am Fri 25 Jan 13

let football be the winner says...

Saturdays team to selected from
Cherries: (from) Jalal, Francis, Seaborne, Elphick, Daniels, Fogden, Hughes, McQuoid, Arter, O'Kane, Pugh, Grabban, Tubbs, Pitman, Fletcher, McDermott, Partington, Cook, Allsop, James.

oh 4 defenders no more, rest injured or on loan lets not hope that Crewe dont nobble a defender in the first 10 minutes. and we have to put midfielders in defence as they are must be better than important squad members that are all put out on loan
Saturdays team to selected from Cherries: (from) Jalal, Francis, Seaborne, Elphick, Daniels, Fogden, Hughes, McQuoid, Arter, O'Kane, Pugh, Grabban, Tubbs, Pitman, Fletcher, McDermott, Partington, Cook, Allsop, James. oh 4 defenders no more, rest injured or on loan lets not hope that Crewe dont nobble a defender in the first 10 minutes. and we have to put midfielders in defence as they are must be better than important squad members that are all put out on loan let football be the winner
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