MP calls for tolls on Spur Road to fund £26million repairs

How do we fix the A338? Make it a toll road

How do we fix the A338? Make it a toll road

First published in News

DORSET’S busy A338 Spur Road should be made into a toll road to pay for the £26m repairs it desperately needs.

Christchurch MP Chris Chope has mooted the idea and called on Dorset County Council to come up with more “imaginative” ways to fund the repair of the 6.5-mile stretch of worn out road from Bournemouth to Ringwood.

The A338 Bournemouth Spur Road, which carries 59,000 vehicles a day, urgently needs resurfacing but funding from the Department of Transport was pulled last year.

Why the A338 didn't get funding

Dorset Country Council says improving the dual carriageway remains a high priority and there is “no lack of will” to push ahead with plans.

They say it costs £1million a year to patch up what is an already worn-out road.

The importance of a smooth running A338 Spur Road was highlighted again earlier this week when a single vehicle accident saw the northbound lanes closed, bringing Bournemouth to a five-hour standstill. Mr Chope said: “The cost of maintaining this road is disproportionately high. It would be much better value to carry out the full repairs.”

He added: “I have thought in the past one way to deal with this would be to introduce a temporary toll from which all Hampshire and Dorset residents would be exempt.

“We have got to find some more imaginative ways of keeping our roads in a fit state.”

Mr Chope said he has raised the issue in Parliament but was told the coalition agreement excludes introducing tolls on existing roads.

“My point is that this is worth revisiting. We would not toll local people because they are already paying for the upkeep of the local roads through their council tax. Using modern technology I am sure we could find a way to toll all the other people who use our roads but don’t help pay for them.

“Obviously this would be radical and new territory but in order to get this sort of thing going we need to have someone who is going to take it forward.” Mr Chope added that such a toll scheme would need local and political backing to take it forward.

“If there was enough political support for that we could take it forward as a new way of funding road repair improvements. The toll would only be in operation until the necessary repairs have been funded.”

Cllr Peter Finney, cabinet member for highways and transport, said: “I am sure that Chris’ idea is very viable and would obviously work. We would have to agree that with Bournemouth Borough Coun-cil because it is partly one of their roads.”

He said such a scheme would undoubtedly cause “concern” with the logistics, how much it would cost to operate and the impact on businesses and visitors to Bournemouth.

But Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Borough Council, said: “It would be seriously damaging for businesses here, it would cost people their jobs and would impact on people who live and work here.

“If you are going to charge for vehicles to use major routes then it should be a national scheme and not specific to one particular area.

“It would impact on local residents because their family and friends would have to pay.”

He added that all toll-roads offer motorists a different option but that would not be possible for the A338 Spur Road.

“The businesses here would be strangled by having a prohibitive charge.”

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8:02am Fri 16 Nov 12

jeebuscripes says...

We need a monorail.
We need a monorail. jeebuscripes
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8:04am Fri 16 Nov 12

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell.
The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc
The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.
Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
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8:10am Fri 16 Nov 12

j neptune esq says...

If MPs, such as the rt hon Mr chope, didn't pay their wives £45000 a year from the public purse there might be more money available for things like this.

Still, as unworkable schemes go, this is a doozy. Charging tourists to sit in hours of roadworks, super
If MPs, such as the rt hon Mr chope, didn't pay their wives £45000 a year from the public purse there might be more money available for things like this. Still, as unworkable schemes go, this is a doozy. Charging tourists to sit in hours of roadworks, super j neptune esq
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8:12am Fri 16 Nov 12

the smiling assassin says...

Victor_Meldrew_Lives
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wrote:
Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.
Absolutely agree!
[quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree! the smiling assassin
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8:14am Fri 16 Nov 12

steve518 says...

I thought I had already paid for the road. Would I be able to charge my customers twice for the same item if I claimed I did not have enough money to pay bills? I think not.
I thought I had already paid for the road. Would I be able to charge my customers twice for the same item if I claimed I did not have enough money to pay bills? I think not. steve518
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8:14am Fri 16 Nov 12

jeebuscripes says...

If everyone buys a copy of the Echo's Dorset book we could lay them out flat and use them as a temporary road surface.

Whenever they start to get a bit damaged, head down to Waterstones, avoiding any celebrity book signings if you can, and buy some more.
If everyone buys a copy of the Echo's Dorset book we could lay them out flat and use them as a temporary road surface. Whenever they start to get a bit damaged, head down to Waterstones, avoiding any celebrity book signings if you can, and buy some more. jeebuscripes
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8:19am Fri 16 Nov 12

dorset_sheep says...

Maybe we should have spent less on the twin sails bridge if we knew we didn't have enough money to repair our roads.
Maybe we should have spent less on the twin sails bridge if we knew we didn't have enough money to repair our roads. dorset_sheep
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8:21am Fri 16 Nov 12

Talkingheadera says...

Do we really vote for people with ideas like this?!
Do we really vote for people with ideas like this?! Talkingheadera
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8:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

Lord Spring says...

I have always thought he was a t**t he has now opened his mouth and finally confirmed it.
I have always thought he was a t**t he has now opened his mouth and finally confirmed it. Lord Spring
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8:24am Fri 16 Nov 12

aerolover says...

As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads.
Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.
As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads. Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits. aerolover
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8:29am Fri 16 Nov 12

l'anglais says...

steve518 wrote:
I thought I had already paid for the road. Would I be able to charge my customers twice for the same item if I claimed I did not have enough money to pay bills? I think not.
Have you got your receipt sir?

At peak times only, or when there is congestion:
One lane for driver only vehicles, the other lane reserved for cars with 2 or more occupants.
Car share schemes are the way forward.
[quote][p][bold]steve518[/bold] wrote: I thought I had already paid for the road. Would I be able to charge my customers twice for the same item if I claimed I did not have enough money to pay bills? I think not.[/p][/quote]Have you got your receipt sir? At peak times only, or when there is congestion: One lane for driver only vehicles, the other lane reserved for cars with 2 or more occupants. Car share schemes are the way forward. l'anglais
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8:33am Fri 16 Nov 12

djd says...

Maybe Christchurch needs a new MP. One who is in touch with reality.
Maybe Christchurch needs a new MP. One who is in touch with reality. djd
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8:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

poole man in france says...

aerolover wrote:
As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads.
Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.
Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative.
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads. Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.[/p][/quote]Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative. poole man in france
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8:35am Fri 16 Nov 12

jobsworthwatch says...

Matchams lane won't half get busy, it'll have to be made into a duel carriage way!

What a stupid idea it should get Chope the chop at the next election, Mark Smith is right, Bournemouth would become a ghost town!
Matchams lane won't half get busy, it'll have to be made into a duel carriage way! What a stupid idea it should get Chope the chop at the next election, Mark Smith is right, Bournemouth would become a ghost town! jobsworthwatch
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8:42am Fri 16 Nov 12

Gordon Cann says...

Question the cost , running into billions,on replacing the Trident submarine and missile programme

Question the human and financial cost of British involvement in Afghanistan.

Question the cost (over £!20 million a year ) of the Royal Protection Squad )

Question the cost of the elections for Police Commissioners ( £75 millions)

Question the cost of allowances paid to unelected members of the House of Lords

Question the cost of lowering the top rate of income tax by 5 p in the £

Question the cost of non payment of corporation tax in the UK by companies setting up off shore accounts

Wake up !
Question the cost , running into billions,on replacing the Trident submarine and missile programme Question the human and financial cost of British involvement in Afghanistan. Question the cost (over £!20 million a year ) of the Royal Protection Squad ) Question the cost of the elections for Police Commissioners ( £75 millions) Question the cost of allowances paid to unelected members of the House of Lords Question the cost of lowering the top rate of income tax by 5 p in the £ Question the cost of non payment of corporation tax in the UK by companies setting up off shore accounts Wake up ! Gordon Cann
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8:43am Fri 16 Nov 12

ksouth77 says...

Note the use of the word "imaginative".

And note the use of the words "toll road".

See the problem?
Note the use of the word "imaginative". And note the use of the words "toll road". See the problem? ksouth77
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8:48am Fri 16 Nov 12

Gordon Cann says...

£120 million not £!20 million
£120 million not £!20 million Gordon Cann
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8:53am Fri 16 Nov 12

rudolph_hucker says...

I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road:
1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again
2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again
3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.
I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road: 1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again 2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again 3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types. rudolph_hucker
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8:56am Fri 16 Nov 12

rayc says...

Most of the money taken in tolls would be spent on administrating them with next to nothing left for repairs.
Mr Chope said " We would not toll local people because they are already paying for the upkeep of the local roads through their council tax".
Who are these local people? Where do they live to be classed as local and what part of their Council Tax pays for the upkeep of this road?
We have to get used to Tory MP's calling for toll roads as there are plenty of businesses poised to make fortune from the technology, in the same way as speed enforcement made a fortune for some manufacturers and other organisations.
Most of the money taken in tolls would be spent on administrating them with next to nothing left for repairs. Mr Chope said " We would not toll local people because they are already paying for the upkeep of the local roads through their council tax". Who are these local people? Where do they live to be classed as local and what part of their Council Tax pays for the upkeep of this road? We have to get used to Tory MP's calling for toll roads as there are plenty of businesses poised to make fortune from the technology, in the same way as speed enforcement made a fortune for some manufacturers and other organisations. rayc
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8:58am Fri 16 Nov 12

Ferndown Steve says...

Thought our Road Tax was for maintaining essential main routes ?
Where does that money go then ?

If it's not used for repairing or up grading, what is it used for ?

Maybe increase the lorry tax to start with (most damage is caused by their heavy wear and tear) !
Thought our Road Tax was for maintaining essential main routes ? Where does that money go then ? If it's not used for repairing or up grading, what is it used for ? Maybe increase the lorry tax to start with (most damage is caused by their heavy wear and tear) ! Ferndown Steve
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9:00am Fri 16 Nov 12

Fred Luton says...

How absolutely ridiculous.
This man obviously doesnt need to use this road on a regular basis
How absolutely ridiculous. This man obviously doesnt need to use this road on a regular basis Fred Luton
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9:01am Fri 16 Nov 12

PokesdownMark says...

How on earth do people in such positions come up with these ill thought out schemes? They can't be that stupid. It must just be to just stir up discussion. A tactic? Please tell me it's just a political tactic.
How on earth do people in such positions come up with these ill thought out schemes? They can't be that stupid. It must just be to just stir up discussion. A tactic? Please tell me it's just a political tactic. PokesdownMark
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9:04am Fri 16 Nov 12

jeebuscripes says...

I'm sure MP Chris Chope would cite his main residence as being in Dorset or Hampshire to avoid his proposed toll.
I'm sure MP Chris Chope would cite his main residence as being in Dorset or Hampshire to avoid his proposed toll. jeebuscripes
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9:06am Fri 16 Nov 12

scrumpyjack says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road:
1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again
2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again
3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.
Yes yes. I love your rational thinking.

Ban anyone with a car that can do more than 50 mph.

Install motion detectors that fire lasers if any car exceeds 30 mph within 3 miles of a junction.

Introduce a three strikes and your out rule, none of this losing your licence notice just hang them.

Families of speeders should be dragged into the streets and herded into "community farms" where they will work the land for the benefit of this glorious nation.

The bar stewards.
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road: 1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again 2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again 3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.[/p][/quote]Yes yes. I love your rational thinking. Ban anyone with a car that can do more than 50 mph. Install motion detectors that fire lasers if any car exceeds 30 mph within 3 miles of a junction. Introduce a three strikes and your out rule, none of this losing your licence notice just hang them. Families of speeders should be dragged into the streets and herded into "community farms" where they will work the land for the benefit of this glorious nation. The bar stewards. scrumpyjack
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9:06am Fri 16 Nov 12

Gordon Cann says...

or read Polly Toynbee in the Guardian yesterday
'Forget Bermuda. Britain's tax havens are much closer to home'

then write your MP and ask if he has read the article and then ask yourself, whether politics is about justice and reason or little more than class interest
or read Polly Toynbee in the Guardian yesterday 'Forget Bermuda. Britain's tax havens are much closer to home' then write your MP and ask if he has read the article and then ask yourself, whether politics is about justice and reason or little more than class interest Gordon Cann
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9:07am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

dorset_sheep wrote:
Maybe we should have spent less on the twin sails bridge if we knew we didn't have enough money to repair our roads.
what about the Canford Bottom roundabout? Another wate of money. Who ever though that digging up roundabout and replacing it with 70 sets of traffic lights only to get stuck at the next roundabout was a good idea?
Then there is the new (and badly syncronised) traffic light system at the top of Holdenhurst Road, and the emormous junction by the Hospital where no one can find the correct lane and when you do, a bus parks across it.
The list goes on and on.
[quote][p][bold]dorset_sheep[/bold] wrote: Maybe we should have spent less on the twin sails bridge if we knew we didn't have enough money to repair our roads.[/p][/quote]what about the Canford Bottom roundabout? Another wate of money. Who ever though that digging up roundabout and replacing it with 70 sets of traffic lights only to get stuck at the next roundabout was a good idea? Then there is the new (and badly syncronised) traffic light system at the top of Holdenhurst Road, and the emormous junction by the Hospital where no one can find the correct lane and when you do, a bus parks across it. The list goes on and on. Dont drop litter
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9:10am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

aerolover wrote:
As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads.
Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.
I do. infact i have a tax disc on my car and my motorbike.
I might feel inclined to pay for cycle lanes when pedestrians start paying for foot paths.
It's not cyclists that have worn the road out is it!
stop being such an infant.
[quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads. Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.[/p][/quote]I do. infact i have a tax disc on my car and my motorbike. I might feel inclined to pay for cycle lanes when pedestrians start paying for foot paths. It's not cyclists that have worn the road out is it! stop being such an infant. Dont drop litter
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9:12am Fri 16 Nov 12

Glashen says...

djd wrote:
Maybe Christchurch needs a new MP. One who is in touch with reality.
Maybe now that Christchurch has reverted to a very safe conservative seat he needs reminding that even the voters here can turn.
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I have never voted for him and never would.
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We lost a good MP when he narrowly defeated Diana Maddocks in 1997 and gained a ...........(IMHO)
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: Maybe Christchurch needs a new MP. One who is in touch with reality.[/p][/quote]Maybe now that Christchurch has reverted to a very safe conservative seat he needs reminding that even the voters here can turn. - I have never voted for him and never would. - We lost a good MP when he narrowly defeated Diana Maddocks in 1997 and gained a ...........(IMHO) Glashen
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9:13am Fri 16 Nov 12

chicken_madras says...

What a great way to reduce tourism to bournemouth even more.
What a great way to reduce tourism to bournemouth even more. chicken_madras
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9:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

rayc says...

Gordon Cann wrote:
or read Polly Toynbee in the Guardian yesterday
'Forget Bermuda. Britain's tax havens are much closer to home'

then write your MP and ask if he has read the article and then ask yourself, whether politics is about justice and reason or little more than class interest
On Question Time last night Harriett Harman said that " those companies who avoided paying tax because they argued that "their activities are not illegal and are in line with current tax rules" are immoral".
Wasn't the companies reasoning the same as that used by MP's during the expenses scandal?
[quote][p][bold]Gordon Cann[/bold] wrote: or read Polly Toynbee in the Guardian yesterday 'Forget Bermuda. Britain's tax havens are much closer to home' then write your MP and ask if he has read the article and then ask yourself, whether politics is about justice and reason or little more than class interest[/p][/quote]On Question Time last night Harriett Harman said that " those companies who avoided paying tax because they argued that "their activities are not illegal and are in line with current tax rules" are immoral". Wasn't the companies reasoning the same as that used by MP's during the expenses scandal? rayc
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9:21am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dibbles2 says...

chicken_madras wrote:
What a great way to reduce tourism to bournemouth even more.
I think that may well be the point as an alternative route would be via Christchurch! Let me think oh and Chris Chope is a councillor for Christchurch!
[quote][p][bold]chicken_madras[/bold] wrote: What a great way to reduce tourism to bournemouth even more.[/p][/quote]I think that may well be the point as an alternative route would be via Christchurch! Let me think oh and Chris Chope is a councillor for Christchurch! Dibbles2
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9:24am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dibbles2 says...

“I have thought in the past one way to deal with this would be to introduce a temporary toll from which all Hampshire and Dorset residents would be exempt." The consequence of this would of course be the relentless traffic jams as people stop for the toll gate. I could well see people saying sod going to Bournemouth Im not sitting waiting to pay for the toll gate for hours. It works elsewhere because the road is wide enough but the spur road is not wide enough and would create absolute havoc.
“I have thought in the past one way to deal with this would be to introduce a temporary toll from which all Hampshire and Dorset residents would be exempt." The consequence of this would of course be the relentless traffic jams as people stop for the toll gate. I could well see people saying sod going to Bournemouth Im not sitting waiting to pay for the toll gate for hours. It works elsewhere because the road is wide enough but the spur road is not wide enough and would create absolute havoc. Dibbles2
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9:29am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Renegade Master says...

How on Earth did a buffoon like Chris Chope ever get elected in the first place? This has to be the most ridiculous idea I've heard in a long time because it's completely unrealistic and totally unworkable.
But we're used to Chope not knowing what he's talking about. This time last year he deliberately sabotaged the vote in Parliament for lighter evenings all year round by standing up and waffling on about nothing for a couple of hours until they ran out of time. The Lighter Later campaign was backed by a large number of MP's as well as countless business, tourism and safety organisations around the country but the actions of one pitiful excuse of a man meant democracy had to take a back seat to stupidity. Well done on that Chope.
How on Earth did a buffoon like Chris Chope ever get elected in the first place? This has to be the most ridiculous idea I've heard in a long time because it's completely unrealistic and totally unworkable. But we're used to Chope not knowing what he's talking about. This time last year he deliberately sabotaged the vote in Parliament for lighter evenings all year round by standing up and waffling on about nothing for a couple of hours until they ran out of time. The Lighter Later campaign was backed by a large number of MP's as well as countless business, tourism and safety organisations around the country but the actions of one pitiful excuse of a man meant democracy had to take a back seat to stupidity. Well done on that Chope. The Renegade Master
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9:36am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dorset Mitch says...

Here's an idea, why not a bus link from the Ringwood area that takes you directly into centre of Bournemouth, centre of Poole, centre of Christchurch. The bus stop in Ringwood could be out of town, you park your car there pay £5 all day to park and the bus is free?

Cheaper than parking for the day in town.
Here's an idea, why not a bus link from the Ringwood area that takes you directly into centre of Bournemouth, centre of Poole, centre of Christchurch. The bus stop in Ringwood could be out of town, you park your car there pay £5 all day to park and the bus is free? Cheaper than parking for the day in town. Dorset Mitch
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9:36am Fri 16 Nov 12

Arjay says...

New Rd, just north of the bridge, seems to be slowly collapsing into the river valley. (The cracks are getting bigger all the time)
You wait --I'll bet they finally decide to repair that, at the same time as the spur road resurfacing finally happens.
2 river crossings restricted at the same time. That will be fun, won't it?

Any bets?.....
New Rd, just north of the bridge, seems to be slowly collapsing into the river valley. (The cracks are getting bigger all the time) You wait --I'll bet they finally decide to repair that, at the same time as the spur road resurfacing finally happens. 2 river crossings restricted at the same time. That will be fun, won't it? Any bets?..... Arjay
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9:37am Fri 16 Nov 12

Jazzyb says...

This work has been paid for any times so they should not ask for any more money. It's outrageous!!
This work has been paid for any times so they should not ask for any more money. It's outrageous!! Jazzyb
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9:38am Fri 16 Nov 12

EscapefromBournemouth says...

I think we should plant daffodils and bluebells on the verges. We could have daisys where the white lines are too It should be closed on Sundays so when we come out of church we can have a street party and all the children can play on it.
I think we should plant daffodils and bluebells on the verges. We could have daisys where the white lines are too It should be closed on Sundays so when we come out of church we can have a street party and all the children can play on it. EscapefromBournemouth
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9:42am Fri 16 Nov 12

jeebuscripes says...

Dont drop litter wrote:
aerolover wrote:
As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads.
Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.
I do. infact i have a tax disc on my car and my motorbike.
I might feel inclined to pay for cycle lanes when pedestrians start paying for foot paths.
It's not cyclists that have worn the road out is it!
stop being such an infant.
It's not road tax anyway. It's vehicle excise duty. Your vehicle causes so much damage to the environment you SHOULD have to pay to use it.

And you do. HA!
[quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads. Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.[/p][/quote]I do. infact i have a tax disc on my car and my motorbike. I might feel inclined to pay for cycle lanes when pedestrians start paying for foot paths. It's not cyclists that have worn the road out is it! stop being such an infant.[/p][/quote]It's not road tax anyway. It's vehicle excise duty. Your vehicle causes so much damage to the environment you SHOULD have to pay to use it. And you do. HA! jeebuscripes
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9:42am Fri 16 Nov 12

bundyse says...

That's right Tax the only main road in and out of Bournemouth, to Southampton and London
That's right Tax the only main road in and out of Bournemouth, to Southampton and London bundyse
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9:51am Fri 16 Nov 12

TinyLegacy says...

Muppet. It'll never happen.
Muppet. It'll never happen. TinyLegacy
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9:54am Fri 16 Nov 12

a.g.o.g. says...

Gordon Cann wrote:
Question the cost , running into billions,on replacing the Trident submarine and missile programme Question the human and financial cost of British involvement in Afghanistan. Question the cost (over £!20 million a year ) of the Royal Protection Squad ) Question the cost of the elections for Police Commissioners ( £75 millions) Question the cost of allowances paid to unelected members of the House of Lords Question the cost of lowering the top rate of income tax by 5 p in the £ Question the cost of non payment of corporation tax in the UK by companies setting up off shore accounts Wake up !
Question too the £54Million we lob into the Euro Coffers - EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.
[quote][p][bold]Gordon Cann[/bold] wrote: Question the cost , running into billions,on replacing the Trident submarine and missile programme Question the human and financial cost of British involvement in Afghanistan. Question the cost (over £!20 million a year ) of the Royal Protection Squad ) Question the cost of the elections for Police Commissioners ( £75 millions) Question the cost of allowances paid to unelected members of the House of Lords Question the cost of lowering the top rate of income tax by 5 p in the £ Question the cost of non payment of corporation tax in the UK by companies setting up off shore accounts Wake up ![/p][/quote]Question too the £54Million we lob into the Euro Coffers - EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. a.g.o.g.
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9:55am Fri 16 Nov 12

EscapefromBournemouth says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road:
1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again
2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again
3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.
You are wonderful, I bet you have rippling muscles and a deep tan too. I bet you even have a combine harvester and a big barn x
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road: 1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again 2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again 3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.[/p][/quote]You are wonderful, I bet you have rippling muscles and a deep tan too. I bet you even have a combine harvester and a big barn x EscapefromBournemouth
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9:55am Fri 16 Nov 12

hadvar says...

bundyse wrote:
That's right Tax the only main road in and out of Bournemouth, to Southampton and London
Bullseye. *The only road*. There is the problem. Single point of failure. As a start......

1. A31/35 dual to dorchester.
2. Dual link between wessex and dorset ways.

Then, in the event that the spur road is shafted (as will occasionally happen whatever condition it's in) the rest of the region doesn't stop.

Wont happen though.
[quote][p][bold]bundyse[/bold] wrote: That's right Tax the only main road in and out of Bournemouth, to Southampton and London[/p][/quote]Bullseye. *The only road*. There is the problem. Single point of failure. As a start...... 1. A31/35 dual to dorchester. 2. Dual link between wessex and dorset ways. Then, in the event that the spur road is shafted (as will occasionally happen whatever condition it's in) the rest of the region doesn't stop. Wont happen though. hadvar
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9:59am Fri 16 Nov 12

Redgolfer00 says...

the smiling assassin wrote:
Victor_Meldrew_Lives

!
wrote:
Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.
Absolutely agree!
And I for that.
[quote][p][bold]the smiling assassin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree![/p][/quote]And I for that. Redgolfer00
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10:01am Fri 16 Nov 12

a.g.o.g. says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
Gordon Cann wrote: Question the cost , running into billions,on replacing the Trident submarine and missile programme Question the human and financial cost of British involvement in Afghanistan. Question the cost (over £!20 million a year ) of the Royal Protection Squad ) Question the cost of the elections for Police Commissioners ( £75 millions) Question the cost of allowances paid to unelected members of the House of Lords Question the cost of lowering the top rate of income tax by 5 p in the £ Question the cost of non payment of corporation tax in the UK by companies setting up off shore accounts Wake up !
Question too the £54Million we lob into the Euro Coffers - EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.
I heard it on ? Time so it must be true?
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gordon Cann[/bold] wrote: Question the cost , running into billions,on replacing the Trident submarine and missile programme Question the human and financial cost of British involvement in Afghanistan. Question the cost (over £!20 million a year ) of the Royal Protection Squad ) Question the cost of the elections for Police Commissioners ( £75 millions) Question the cost of allowances paid to unelected members of the House of Lords Question the cost of lowering the top rate of income tax by 5 p in the £ Question the cost of non payment of corporation tax in the UK by companies setting up off shore accounts Wake up ![/p][/quote]Question too the £54Million we lob into the Euro Coffers - EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.[/p][/quote]I heard it on ? Time so it must be true? a.g.o.g.
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10:09am Fri 16 Nov 12

penhale says...

Motorists are taxed to death already, we dont need any more.
In 1910 the road fund licence was introduced to build and maintain the road network, since then that money has been stolen to pay for everything but maintaining the roads, call it what you like, road fund tax, vehicle excise duty, carbon tax, the money was still supposed to pay for the roads, why should motorists pay tax twice for the same service.
Amost 6 billion a year is stolen from motorists and frizzeled away on some high class toffs expenses.
Motorists are taxed to death already, we dont need any more. In 1910 the road fund licence was introduced to build and maintain the road network, since then that money has been stolen to pay for everything but maintaining the roads, call it what you like, road fund tax, vehicle excise duty, carbon tax, the money was still supposed to pay for the roads, why should motorists pay tax twice for the same service. Amost 6 billion a year is stolen from motorists and frizzeled away on some high class toffs expenses. penhale
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10:11am Fri 16 Nov 12

EscapefromBournemouth says...

Now for all the armchair road engineers, some bedtime reading. http://theihe.org/kn
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Now for all the armchair road engineers, some bedtime reading. http://theihe.org/kn owledge-network/uplo ads/Highway%20Risk%2 0and%20Liability%20C laims%20-%202nd%20Ed ition%20July%202009. pdf EscapefromBournemouth
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10:13am Fri 16 Nov 12

penhale says...

EscapefromBournemout
h
wrote:
I think we should plant daffodils and bluebells on the verges. We could have daisys where the white lines are too It should be closed on Sundays so when we come out of church we can have a street party and all the children can play on it.
Bulldoze all churches and make the world a better place.
[quote][p][bold]EscapefromBournemout h[/bold] wrote: I think we should plant daffodils and bluebells on the verges. We could have daisys where the white lines are too It should be closed on Sundays so when we come out of church we can have a street party and all the children can play on it.[/p][/quote]Bulldoze all churches and make the world a better place. penhale
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10:13am Fri 16 Nov 12

4FoxAche says...

So, Mr Chope... Why don't you just resign? Was this actually your idea, or did some civil servant tell you to blurt it out? Do us all a favour, pack in the politics and join the real world.

Presumably for the purposes of paying your stinking road tax, you would be a Christchurch resident and therefore exempt. No matter though, I suppose if you did have to pay it, you would claim it back on your MP's expenses .

It all ready smells bad enough as you travel towards Bournemouth, without another stinking tax... Get a grip, you louse.
So, Mr Chope... Why don't you just resign? Was this actually your idea, or did some civil servant tell you to blurt it out? Do us all a favour, pack in the politics and join the real world. Presumably for the purposes of paying your stinking road tax, you would be a Christchurch resident and therefore exempt. No matter though, I suppose if you did have to pay it, you would claim it back on your MP's expenses . It all ready smells bad enough as you travel towards Bournemouth, without another stinking tax... Get a grip, you louse. 4FoxAche
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10:15am Fri 16 Nov 12

speedy231278 says...

What utter rubbish! The motorist is already taxed into oblivion due to the grossly unfair fuel tax escalator scheme. Surely it's about time some of the fuel tax was actually used to pay for roads?
What utter rubbish! The motorist is already taxed into oblivion due to the grossly unfair fuel tax escalator scheme. Surely it's about time some of the fuel tax was actually used to pay for roads? speedy231278
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10:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Seasider says...

Is the road surface really that bad? I use this road almost daily and have no complaints re condition. The only issue re 'safety' was the on-slips from the Richmond Hill roundabout and lack of visibility, but a reduction in the speed limit has helped to reduce the obvious danger.

Realistically, most traffic gridlocks are caused by accidents/ collisions which are a result of bad driving. You could spend £50 million on this road, but the bad drivers will still drive badly.

The main problem of the A338 and why accidents cause so much congestion, is the lack of access on/ off. Perhaps a temporary relief road (locked barrier, opened only by police) off the A338 on to Matchams Lane/ Hurn Road and at Avon Causeway, would help divert traffic when accidents occur.
Is the road surface really that bad? I use this road almost daily and have no complaints re condition. The only issue re 'safety' was the on-slips from the Richmond Hill roundabout and lack of visibility, but a reduction in the speed limit has helped to reduce the obvious danger. Realistically, most traffic gridlocks are caused by accidents/ collisions which are a result of bad driving. You could spend £50 million on this road, but the bad drivers will still drive badly. The main problem of the A338 and why accidents cause so much congestion, is the lack of access on/ off. Perhaps a temporary relief road (locked barrier, opened only by police) off the A338 on to Matchams Lane/ Hurn Road and at Avon Causeway, would help divert traffic when accidents occur. The Seasider
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10:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

The Seasider says...

Is the road surface really that bad? I use this road almost daily and have no complaints re condition. The only issue re 'safety' was the on-slips from the Richmond Hill roundabout and lack of visibility, but a reduction in the speed limit has helped to reduce the obvious danger.

Realistically, most traffic gridlocks are caused by accidents/ collisions which are a result of bad driving. You could spend £50 million on this road, but the bad drivers will still drive badly.

The main problem of the A338 and why accidents cause so much congestion, is the lack of access on/ off. Perhaps a temporary relief road (locked barrier, opened only by police) off the A338 on to Matchams Lane/ Hurn Road and at Avon Causeway, would help divert traffic when accidents occur.
Is the road surface really that bad? I use this road almost daily and have no complaints re condition. The only issue re 'safety' was the on-slips from the Richmond Hill roundabout and lack of visibility, but a reduction in the speed limit has helped to reduce the obvious danger. Realistically, most traffic gridlocks are caused by accidents/ collisions which are a result of bad driving. You could spend £50 million on this road, but the bad drivers will still drive badly. The main problem of the A338 and why accidents cause so much congestion, is the lack of access on/ off. Perhaps a temporary relief road (locked barrier, opened only by police) off the A338 on to Matchams Lane/ Hurn Road and at Avon Causeway, would help divert traffic when accidents occur. The Seasider
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10:26am Fri 16 Nov 12

Avengerboy says...

At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up.
At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up. Avengerboy
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10:27am Fri 16 Nov 12

Avengerboy says...

jeebuscripes says...
8:02am Fri 16 Nov 12
We need a monorail.


Hahah yes The Simpsons episode, very good.
jeebuscripes says... 8:02am Fri 16 Nov 12 We need a monorail. Hahah yes The Simpsons episode, very good. Avengerboy
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10:33am Fri 16 Nov 12

I-H-S says...

Surely this news item was intended for publication on the morning of April 1st!
Surely this news item was intended for publication on the morning of April 1st! I-H-S
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10:41am Fri 16 Nov 12

benjamin says...

What an absolutely stupid idea. That would finally put an end to Bournemouth as a holiday and tourist destination. We have paid for any road works in this country, time and time again.
What an absolutely stupid idea. That would finally put an end to Bournemouth as a holiday and tourist destination. We have paid for any road works in this country, time and time again. benjamin
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10:46am Fri 16 Nov 12

saynomore says...

Why the Christchurch residents vote this clown into office is a mystery to me,he takes advantage of the expenses system to line his familys pockets and comes out with stupid ideas like this,Chope the dope rides again.
Why the Christchurch residents vote this clown into office is a mystery to me,he takes advantage of the expenses system to line his familys pockets and comes out with stupid ideas like this,Chope the dope rides again. saynomore
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10:49am Fri 16 Nov 12

Adrian XX says...

Motorists means just about everyone these days - people often speak as if motorists were a minority group. The fact is most of us need cars and even if we don't really need them, they make our lives a lot easier.

We are not taxed to death and it simply isn't true that fuel in other European countries is much cheaper. We have the eighth highest petrol price in Europe according to the AA but this varies month on month as other countries adjust their fuel taxes and exchange rates fluctuate. And even the countries below us in the 'league table' are not very far below. Of course, major reductions in all forms of tax would be fantastic, but in the current climate they are pure fantasy. And penhale, the money from vehicle excise duty is not currently meant to pay for roads - that idea stopped in 1937.

I don't see a bright hope for the immediate future unfortunately. We trade a lot with Europe and Europe is economically distressed because of the single currency project. We're not staying ahead of the pack - we seem to hate success in this country - success causes jealousy rather than appreciation or admiration. Many would like our main industries to leave: it's banking's turn at the moment, but it it was pharmaceuticals a few years back - both industries in which we lead the world. We're falling behind in technology because we don't push science and engineering degrees and instead want 50% of young people to go to university no matter what they study. I would suggest no tuition fees at all for quality academic degrees (that is challenging, rigorous maths, engineering and science degrees at top universities). For silly subjects, you'll have to pay through the nose.

We need to get out of the economic pit before we can spend money on roads.
Motorists means just about everyone these days - people often speak as if motorists were a minority group. The fact is most of us need cars and even if we don't really need them, they make our lives a lot easier. We are not taxed to death and it simply isn't true that fuel in other European countries is much cheaper. We have the eighth highest petrol price in Europe according to the AA but this varies month on month as other countries adjust their fuel taxes and exchange rates fluctuate. And even the countries below us in the 'league table' are not very far below. Of course, major reductions in all forms of tax would be fantastic, but in the current climate they are pure fantasy. And penhale, the money from vehicle excise duty is not currently meant to pay for roads - that idea stopped in 1937. I don't see a bright hope for the immediate future unfortunately. We trade a lot with Europe and Europe is economically distressed because of the single currency project. We're not staying ahead of the pack - we seem to hate success in this country - success causes jealousy rather than appreciation or admiration. Many would like our main industries to leave: it's banking's turn at the moment, but it it was pharmaceuticals a few years back - both industries in which we lead the world. We're falling behind in technology because we don't push science and engineering degrees and instead want 50% of young people to go to university no matter what they study. I would suggest no tuition fees at all for quality academic degrees (that is challenging, rigorous maths, engineering and science degrees at top universities). For silly subjects, you'll have to pay through the nose. We need to get out of the economic pit before we can spend money on roads. Adrian XX
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11:03am Fri 16 Nov 12

Arthur Maureen says...

I second the monorail
I second the monorail Arthur Maureen
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11:12am Fri 16 Nov 12

joeinpoole says...

What the A338 needs is a lifting bridge, like we have in Poole. Lifting bridges break down frequently thereby reducing traffic on the road and thus preserving the surface for much longer. In fact most road and traffic issues can be resolved by the installation of a new lifting bridge. The simple solutions are always the best.
What the A338 needs is a lifting bridge, like we have in Poole. Lifting bridges break down frequently thereby reducing traffic on the road and thus preserving the surface for much longer. In fact most road and traffic issues can be resolved by the installation of a new lifting bridge. The simple solutions are always the best. joeinpoole
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11:15am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

Avengerboy wrote:
At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up.
Blackwater junction is a black spot because the slipway is too short and the traffic light phasing means cars have to queue on the main carriageway. Lighting won't prevent accidents. Cutting down the undercroth and hedges so that people ccan see emerging vehicles entering the carriageway certainly would.
[quote][p][bold]Avengerboy[/bold] wrote: At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up.[/p][/quote]Blackwater junction is a black spot because the slipway is too short and the traffic light phasing means cars have to queue on the main carriageway. Lighting won't prevent accidents. Cutting down the undercroth and hedges so that people ccan see emerging vehicles entering the carriageway certainly would. Dont drop litter
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11:16am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

Dont drop litter wrote:
Avengerboy wrote:
At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up.
Blackwater junction is a black spot because the slipway is too short and the traffic light phasing means cars have to queue on the main carriageway. Lighting won't prevent accidents. Cutting down the undercroth and hedges so that people ccan see emerging vehicles entering the carriageway certainly would.
Incidentally, what does this persons political stance have to do with it? Idiots come in all shapes and sizes.
[quote][p][bold]Dont drop litter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Avengerboy[/bold] wrote: At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up.[/p][/quote]Blackwater junction is a black spot because the slipway is too short and the traffic light phasing means cars have to queue on the main carriageway. Lighting won't prevent accidents. Cutting down the undercroth and hedges so that people ccan see emerging vehicles entering the carriageway certainly would.[/p][/quote]Incidentally, what does this persons political stance have to do with it? Idiots come in all shapes and sizes. Dont drop litter
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11:20am Fri 16 Nov 12

static kill says...

If we pay for the repairs in cash we could avoid paying the VAT, that would save a fair bit.
If we pay for the repairs in cash we could avoid paying the VAT, that would save a fair bit. static kill
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11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

hamworthygarden says...

What a ridiculous suggestion, most of the users of this road are commuters like my son who is struggling to keep a family afloat he has to travel from Poole to Lymington everyday the fuel costs are difficult to find each month and now they suggest drivers pay even more, take it out of the fuel duty and road fund license. Did this gentlemen not hear about the chaos of the roads on Monday because this road was closed this will happen everyday when people avoid the charges. Think again!
What a ridiculous suggestion, most of the users of this road are commuters like my son who is struggling to keep a family afloat he has to travel from Poole to Lymington everyday the fuel costs are difficult to find each month and now they suggest drivers pay even more, take it out of the fuel duty and road fund license. Did this gentlemen not hear about the chaos of the roads on Monday because this road was closed this will happen everyday when people avoid the charges. Think again! hamworthygarden
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11:29am Fri 16 Nov 12

Adrian XX says...

hamworthygarden wrote:
What a ridiculous suggestion, most of the users of this road are commuters like my son who is struggling to keep a family afloat he has to travel from Poole to Lymington everyday the fuel costs are difficult to find each month and now they suggest drivers pay even more, take it out of the fuel duty and road fund license. Did this gentlemen not hear about the chaos of the roads on Monday because this road was closed this will happen everyday when people avoid the charges. Think again!
Your son wouldn't pay since the suggestion is that "Hampshire and Dorset residents would be exempt".
[quote][p][bold]hamworthygarden[/bold] wrote: What a ridiculous suggestion, most of the users of this road are commuters like my son who is struggling to keep a family afloat he has to travel from Poole to Lymington everyday the fuel costs are difficult to find each month and now they suggest drivers pay even more, take it out of the fuel duty and road fund license. Did this gentlemen not hear about the chaos of the roads on Monday because this road was closed this will happen everyday when people avoid the charges. Think again![/p][/quote]Your son wouldn't pay since the suggestion is that "Hampshire and Dorset residents would be exempt". Adrian XX
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11:35am Fri 16 Nov 12

Wallisdown says...

Well unfortunately success governments have poorly managed our nations finances. Spend, spend, spend in times of prosperity as well as when things got a lot tougher. Things like road tax and National Insurance have long been abused, if both those services recieved half of what was earnt in income through their respective revenue generators we would have fantastic roads and a NHS to be proud off. Instead our government will happily fill the Euro coffers and gladly pay for 'mustaqs' family of 13 in Sabzevar, Iran to have Sky TV and Black Op II on xbox live!!!
Well unfortunately success governments have poorly managed our nations finances. Spend, spend, spend in times of prosperity as well as when things got a lot tougher. Things like road tax and National Insurance have long been abused, if both those services recieved half of what was earnt in income through their respective revenue generators we would have fantastic roads and a NHS to be proud off. Instead our government will happily fill the Euro coffers and gladly pay for 'mustaqs' family of 13 in Sabzevar, Iran to have Sky TV and Black Op II on xbox live!!! Wallisdown
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11:36am Fri 16 Nov 12

Mudefordman says...

the smiling assassin wrote:
Victor_Meldrew_Lives

!
wrote:
Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.
Absolutely agree!
I agree as well, with more people due to come into the country,this government as got to find monies to support them.
[quote][p][bold]the smiling assassin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree![/p][/quote]I agree as well, with more people due to come into the country,this government as got to find monies to support them. Mudefordman
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11:44am Fri 16 Nov 12

Jim_Springbourne says...

When I saw this headline, my first thought was "bet it's Chope suggesting this", and surprise surprise.......
Feel sorry for my parents having this right wing chump as their MP....
When I saw this headline, my first thought was "bet it's Chope suggesting this", and surprise surprise....... Feel sorry for my parents having this right wing chump as their MP.... Jim_Springbourne
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11:46am Fri 16 Nov 12

JLC U Later says...

At last some lateral thinking!

Of course it should be a toll road. There are other ways into the conurbation.

Why should those of us who can afford it have to share roadspace with those who can't? I've worked hard to get my lot. This means I can afford to live in a house away from other people. I can eat in restaurants that others can't afford. I can go on holidays to islands that others can’t get to.

Why shouldn't I be able to drive my Q7 on this road if I'm willing to pay for the privilege?
At last some lateral thinking! Of course it should be a toll road. There are other ways into the conurbation. Why should those of us who can afford it have to share roadspace with those who can't? I've worked hard to get my lot. This means I can afford to live in a house away from other people. I can eat in restaurants that others can't afford. I can go on holidays to islands that others can’t get to. Why shouldn't I be able to drive my Q7 on this road if I'm willing to pay for the privilege? JLC U Later
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11:57am Fri 16 Nov 12

rayc says...

Adrian XX wrote:
hamworthygarden wrote:
What a ridiculous suggestion, most of the users of this road are commuters like my son who is struggling to keep a family afloat he has to travel from Poole to Lymington everyday the fuel costs are difficult to find each month and now they suggest drivers pay even more, take it out of the fuel duty and road fund license. Did this gentlemen not hear about the chaos of the roads on Monday because this road was closed this will happen everyday when people avoid the charges. Think again!
Your son wouldn't pay since the suggestion is that "Hampshire and Dorset residents would be exempt".
What is the ratio of Hampshire and Dorset registered keepers of vehicles using the road compared to others?
Who would get the exemption? Commercial vehicles and company vehicles registered to Hampshire and Dorset businesses?
Was this proposal written on the back of a cigar packet in a late night session of the Commons members bar?
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hamworthygarden[/bold] wrote: What a ridiculous suggestion, most of the users of this road are commuters like my son who is struggling to keep a family afloat he has to travel from Poole to Lymington everyday the fuel costs are difficult to find each month and now they suggest drivers pay even more, take it out of the fuel duty and road fund license. Did this gentlemen not hear about the chaos of the roads on Monday because this road was closed this will happen everyday when people avoid the charges. Think again![/p][/quote]Your son wouldn't pay since the suggestion is that "Hampshire and Dorset residents would be exempt".[/p][/quote]What is the ratio of Hampshire and Dorset registered keepers of vehicles using the road compared to others? Who would get the exemption? Commercial vehicles and company vehicles registered to Hampshire and Dorset businesses? Was this proposal written on the back of a cigar packet in a late night session of the Commons members bar? rayc
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12:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12

GrahamC says...

When are we going to get MP's and Elected Members who HAVE A CLUE about real life................
....................
........This road is primarily used by WORKING COMMUTERS who are travelling to and from their place of work, earning money, supporting their families AND PAYING TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!.......they have paid quite enough already for the powers that be to ensure the road is safe and in good repair..............
.Again we see the slimy side of politicians trying to squeeze more money our of the hard working populace ............ Is it any wonder they are universally held in utter contempt!!!.........
.......It is comforting at least that Professional Officers like Mark Smith are in post who are not afraid to 'tell it like it is" and spell out the severely damaging consequences of this stupid, moronic,Tony inspired, cloud cuckoo land 'proposal'......
When are we going to get MP's and Elected Members who HAVE A CLUE about real life................ .................... ........This road is primarily used by WORKING COMMUTERS who are travelling to and from their place of work, earning money, supporting their families AND PAYING TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !.......they have paid quite enough already for the powers that be to ensure the road is safe and in good repair.............. .Again we see the slimy side of politicians trying to squeeze more money our of the hard working populace ............ Is it any wonder they are universally held in utter contempt!!!......... .......It is comforting at least that Professional Officers like Mark Smith are in post who are not afraid to 'tell it like it is" and spell out the severely damaging consequences of this stupid, moronic,Tony inspired, cloud cuckoo land 'proposal'...... GrahamC
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12:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

bundyse says...

of coarse all MPs, Counsellors and Police will be exempted from paying the toll or be able to claim it back.
of coarse all MPs, Counsellors and Police will be exempted from paying the toll or be able to claim it back. bundyse
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12:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

grazzer says...

This idea would cause huge bottlenecks along the boundaries of Somerset,Devon and Wiltshire as thousands of motorists from these counties would sneak over the borders to re-register their vehicles in good old Hants & Dorset
This idea would cause huge bottlenecks along the boundaries of Somerset,Devon and Wiltshire as thousands of motorists from these counties would sneak over the borders to re-register their vehicles in good old Hants & Dorset grazzer
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12:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12

BmthNewshound says...

Here's an imaginative thought..... Perhaps if our local MP's actually lobbied more actively on behalf of Dorset the area would get better funding.
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Labour governments reward areas which return Labour MP's. The Tories and Lib Dems see Dorset constituencies as safe seats so don't feel that they need to "buy votes".
Here's an imaginative thought..... Perhaps if our local MP's actually lobbied more actively on behalf of Dorset the area would get better funding. . Labour governments reward areas which return Labour MP's. The Tories and Lib Dems see Dorset constituencies as safe seats so don't feel that they need to "buy votes". BmthNewshound
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12:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mouse66 says...

It seems most people on here would like to see the back of Chope and his idiotic/dinosaur (delete as applicable) views. Where were you in May 2010 when a majority of Christchurch voters send him back to Parliament?!
It seems most people on here would like to see the back of Chope and his idiotic/dinosaur (delete as applicable) views. Where were you in May 2010 when a majority of Christchurch voters send him back to Parliament?! mouse66
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12:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

manjon says...

This from a man who claimed £881.00 to repair a sofa, scary to think what the poll charge will be, at least it would keep the working classes on the B roads.
This from a man who claimed £881.00 to repair a sofa, scary to think what the poll charge will be, at least it would keep the working classes on the B roads. manjon
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12:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Square Old Codger says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
How on earth do people in such positions come up with these ill thought out schemes? They can't be that stupid. It must just be to just stir up discussion. A tactic? Please tell me it's just a political tactic.
Oh! but they are, unemployable in the real world, they use Politics as a career, the majority have never done a decent days work in their lives and are from such privilaged backgrounds that they have no idea how they are forcing us ti live. Make it a Toll road ( and toll roads are Tory policy) and the area will be traffic gridlocked as traffic relocates to alternative routes. Leaving the main roads free for the wealthly, or those on expenses. The M6 relief toll road is a prime example, it remains under used, whilst the M6 is gridlocked.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: How on earth do people in such positions come up with these ill thought out schemes? They can't be that stupid. It must just be to just stir up discussion. A tactic? Please tell me it's just a political tactic.[/p][/quote]Oh! but they are, unemployable in the real world, they use Politics as a career, the majority have never done a decent days work in their lives and are from such privilaged backgrounds that they have no idea how they are forcing us ti live. Make it a Toll road ( and toll roads are Tory policy) and the area will be traffic gridlocked as traffic relocates to alternative routes. Leaving the main roads free for the wealthly, or those on expenses. The M6 relief toll road is a prime example, it remains under used, whilst the M6 is gridlocked. Square Old Codger
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12:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12

username is already in use says...

the road seems fine to me?
the road seems fine to me? username is already in use
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12:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

SophieRJ says...

If this happens I will have to give up my voluntary work as a Brownie leader in Verwood, because it already costs me an absolute fortune each week to get there and back. This would just add insult to injury, and the Brownie unit would have to close. It isn't just rich people with money to throw around that use the road Mr Chope
If this happens I will have to give up my voluntary work as a Brownie leader in Verwood, because it already costs me an absolute fortune each week to get there and back. This would just add insult to injury, and the Brownie unit would have to close. It isn't just rich people with money to throw around that use the road Mr Chope SophieRJ
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12:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

whataboutthat says...

jeebuscripes wrote:
If everyone buys a copy of the Echo's Dorset book we could lay them out flat and use them as a temporary road surface.

Whenever they start to get a bit damaged, head down to Waterstones, avoiding any celebrity book signings if you can, and buy some more.
Lovely!
[quote][p][bold]jeebuscripes[/bold] wrote: If everyone buys a copy of the Echo's Dorset book we could lay them out flat and use them as a temporary road surface. Whenever they start to get a bit damaged, head down to Waterstones, avoiding any celebrity book signings if you can, and buy some more.[/p][/quote]Lovely! whataboutthat
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1:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

ekimnoslen says...

the smiling assassin wrote:
Victor_Meldrew_Lives

!
wrote:
Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.
Absolutely agree!
Couldn't agree more. Besides there will be more congestion on other roads as people seek to avoid the toll.
[quote][p][bold]the smiling assassin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: Putting toll charges on existing roads is the road to hell. The motorist is already taxed to death with fuel duty, VAT on the fuel duty, Road tax, VAT on cars, VAT on parts and servicing etc etc The fact is that the motorist has paid to have that road fixed many times over. That there is no money to fix the road is because the money was used for other purposes.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree![/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Besides there will be more congestion on other roads as people seek to avoid the toll. ekimnoslen
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1:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

miketheplumb says...

This is nonsense!
Why make it a toll road, the way forward is clear, just keep raising more nd more tax on petrol, such as the three pence due in January. You will eventually price most people off the road, no need for repairs then, a quick slap of tarmac over the op, that'll do.
Seriously this governement (and I mean that irrespective of party) is a bunch of jokers, we pay so much road tax, why can we not use it to save lives and upgrade this road. Get real British Government .
This is nonsense! Why make it a toll road, the way forward is clear, just keep raising more nd more tax on petrol, such as the three pence due in January. You will eventually price most people off the road, no need for repairs then, a quick slap of tarmac over the op, that'll do. Seriously this governement (and I mean that irrespective of party) is a bunch of jokers, we pay so much road tax, why can we not use it to save lives and upgrade this road. Get real British Government . miketheplumb
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1:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

madras says...

madness - people will find alternative routes, matchams / christcurch / the forest will be badly affected. and then the echo can report on how much the inevitable delays / accidents are costing the economy...
madness - people will find alternative routes, matchams / christcurch / the forest will be badly affected. and then the echo can report on how much the inevitable delays / accidents are costing the economy... madras
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1:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

FNS-man says...

penhale wrote:
Motorists are taxed to death already, we dont need any more. In 1910 the road fund licence was introduced to build and maintain the road network, since then that money has been stolen to pay for everything but maintaining the roads, call it what you like, road fund tax, vehicle excise duty, carbon tax, the money was still supposed to pay for the roads, why should motorists pay tax twice for the same service. Amost 6 billion a year is stolen from motorists and frizzeled away on some high class toffs expenses.
The latest government report shows that the cost to the country of motoring is at the very least £11bn more than is collected in VED, fuel duty and VAT on fuel. The motorist is subsidised to the hilt for driving around.
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: Motorists are taxed to death already, we dont need any more. In 1910 the road fund licence was introduced to build and maintain the road network, since then that money has been stolen to pay for everything but maintaining the roads, call it what you like, road fund tax, vehicle excise duty, carbon tax, the money was still supposed to pay for the roads, why should motorists pay tax twice for the same service. Amost 6 billion a year is stolen from motorists and frizzeled away on some high class toffs expenses.[/p][/quote]The latest government report shows that the cost to the country of motoring is at the very least £11bn more than is collected in VED, fuel duty and VAT on fuel. The motorist is subsidised to the hilt for driving around. FNS-man
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1:21pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Kenwood1957 says...

This proposal just goes to show how out of touch (and not very bright)members of this governing party are.
Rather than consider how to extract yet more money from road users as eloquently expressed elsewhere, this lot should use 'more imaginative' ways of collecting taxes from their wealthy friends and corporations who are given tax breaks and are able to exploit tax avoidance schemes. Then road user's money could be spent on the roads.
This proposal just goes to show how out of touch (and not very bright)members of this governing party are. Rather than consider how to extract yet more money from road users as eloquently expressed elsewhere, this lot should use 'more imaginative' ways of collecting taxes from their wealthy friends and corporations who are given tax breaks and are able to exploit tax avoidance schemes. Then road user's money could be spent on the roads. Kenwood1957
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1:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sussexcherry says...

Great advert for the tourists, come and experience hours of hell queueing to pay to use our toll road!! What planet is he from?
Great advert for the tourists, come and experience hours of hell queueing to pay to use our toll road!! What planet is he from? sussexcherry
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1:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12

NONCOM says...

I always suspected that Christopher Chope was an out-of-touch, moronic Tory idiot. Now I know he is.
I always suspected that Christopher Chope was an out-of-touch, moronic Tory idiot. Now I know he is. NONCOM
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1:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Adrian XX says...

sussexcherry wrote:
Great advert for the tourists, come and experience hours of hell queueing to pay to use our toll road!! What planet is he from?
There will be some automated scanning technology as there is for the congestion charge in London. No need to queue.
[quote][p][bold]sussexcherry[/bold] wrote: Great advert for the tourists, come and experience hours of hell queueing to pay to use our toll road!! What planet is he from?[/p][/quote]There will be some automated scanning technology as there is for the congestion charge in London. No need to queue. Adrian XX
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1:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

dorsetspeed says...

Reminds me of when Bournemouth Council hired that idiot James Duncan (or was it Duncan James?), the man behind the 40 limit on the Wessex Way. They (or rather WE) paid him about £120k, commuted him in from Scotland, he didn’t even drive in the area and when I asked him if he had actually observed the driving on the road literally a stone’s throw from his office, he said “we don’t make a habit of watching traffic”.

No, I haven’t made it up, it’s true, I did have a meeting with him.

To register your dissatisfaction, please join www.pooletraffic.co.
uk (also covers Bournemouth)
Reminds me of when Bournemouth Council hired that idiot James Duncan (or was it Duncan James?), the man behind the 40 limit on the Wessex Way. They (or rather WE) paid him about £120k, commuted him in from Scotland, he didn’t even drive in the area and when I asked him if he had actually observed the driving on the road literally a stone’s throw from his office, he said “we don’t make a habit of watching traffic”. No, I haven’t made it up, it’s true, I did have a meeting with him. To register your dissatisfaction, please join www.pooletraffic.co. uk (also covers Bournemouth) dorsetspeed
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1:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12

davecook says...

One way of getting a good repair job on this is actually a toll road, but not as people generally understand toll roads to be. Get a private company to repair the road, and then pay them over a 25 year period a tiny toll for every car that uses the road, paid for out of the road tax which we already pay. This was done locally with the contruction of the Bere Regis bypass, a road which was abandoned short of Dorchester when Labour came to power in 1997. The Bere Regis bypass has needed no repairs whatsoever, as it was built to last, by a company who knew that building a good road which didn't need repairs would be the most profitable long term way to manage the project. I'd be more than happy if an arrangement like that was looked at for repairs.
One way of getting a good repair job on this is actually a toll road, but not as people generally understand toll roads to be. Get a private company to repair the road, and then pay them over a 25 year period a tiny toll for every car that uses the road, paid for out of the road tax which we already pay. This was done locally with the contruction of the Bere Regis bypass, a road which was abandoned short of Dorchester when Labour came to power in 1997. The Bere Regis bypass has needed no repairs whatsoever, as it was built to last, by a company who knew that building a good road which didn't need repairs would be the most profitable long term way to manage the project. I'd be more than happy if an arrangement like that was looked at for repairs. davecook
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2:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Adrian XX says...

Kenwood1957 wrote:
This proposal just goes to show how out of touch (and not very bright)members of this governing party are.
Rather than consider how to extract yet more money from road users as eloquently expressed elsewhere, this lot should use 'more imaginative' ways of collecting taxes from their wealthy friends and corporations who are given tax breaks and are able to exploit tax avoidance schemes. Then road user's money could be spent on the roads.
While there are some highly dubious tax avoidance schemes such as the K2 scheme used by Jimmy Carr, most of what is termed "tax avoidance" by large corporations is perfectly legal and uses the basic (and well known) tenets of EU and international tax law to move profits around the world. No need to use a "tax haven" - Luxembourg has lower corporation tax, so profits are moved there. I don't think we can remove ourselves unilaterally from global tax treaties and certainly not from EU treaties unless we leave the EU altogether. It was quite funny to hear Tessa Munt MP on question time last night stating "somehow we have to get a mechanism so that they (Starbucks) pay some tax on their UK sales". THEY DO - IT'S CALLED VAT!
[quote][p][bold]Kenwood1957[/bold] wrote: This proposal just goes to show how out of touch (and not very bright)members of this governing party are. Rather than consider how to extract yet more money from road users as eloquently expressed elsewhere, this lot should use 'more imaginative' ways of collecting taxes from their wealthy friends and corporations who are given tax breaks and are able to exploit tax avoidance schemes. Then road user's money could be spent on the roads.[/p][/quote]While there are some highly dubious tax avoidance schemes such as the K2 scheme used by Jimmy Carr, most of what is termed "tax avoidance" by large corporations is perfectly legal and uses the basic (and well known) tenets of EU and international tax law to move profits around the world. No need to use a "tax haven" - Luxembourg has lower corporation tax, so profits are moved there. I don't think we can remove ourselves unilaterally from global tax treaties and certainly not from EU treaties unless we leave the EU altogether. It was quite funny to hear Tessa Munt MP on question time last night stating "somehow we have to get a mechanism so that they (Starbucks) pay some tax on their UK sales". THEY DO - IT'S CALLED VAT! Adrian XX
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2:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Adrian XX says...

they use Politics as a career, the majority have never done a decent days work in their lives


If you do just a tiny bit of research you will find that most MPs did not enter parliament straight from school. Many had very successful careers before they entered parliament. Chope was a barrister.
[quote]they use Politics as a career, the majority have never done a decent days work in their lives [/quote] If you do just a tiny bit of research you will find that most MPs did not enter parliament straight from school. Many had very successful careers before they entered parliament. Chope was a barrister. Adrian XX
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2:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12

bobsworthforever says...

mouse66 wrote:
It seems most people on here would like to see the back of Chope and his idiotic/dinosaur (delete as applicable) views. Where were you in May 2010 when a majority of Christchurch voters send him back to Parliament?!
Iknow this is a idiotic idea but it might wake up those muppets in Lyndhurst who dont want a bypass. We wont be able to get to London that way either. its easy to wonder why this idiots in Government but apart from the occasional Libdem difficult to get anyone else elected in Christchurch
[quote][p][bold]mouse66[/bold] wrote: It seems most people on here would like to see the back of Chope and his idiotic/dinosaur (delete as applicable) views. Where were you in May 2010 when a majority of Christchurch voters send him back to Parliament?![/p][/quote]Iknow this is a idiotic idea but it might wake up those muppets in Lyndhurst who dont want a bypass. We wont be able to get to London that way either. its easy to wonder why this idiots in Government but apart from the occasional Libdem difficult to get anyone else elected in Christchurch bobsworthforever
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2:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

PokesdownMark says...

davecook wrote:
One way of getting a good repair job on this is actually a toll road, but not as people generally understand toll roads to be. Get a private company to repair the road, and then pay them over a 25 year period a tiny toll for every car that uses the road, paid for out of the road tax which we already pay. This was done locally with the contruction of the Bere Regis bypass, a road which was abandoned short of Dorchester when Labour came to power in 1997. The Bere Regis bypass has needed no repairs whatsoever, as it was built to last, by a company who knew that building a good road which didn't need repairs would be the most profitable long term way to manage the project. I'd be more than happy if an arrangement like that was looked at for repairs.
Ooo hark at you with yer real world proven, evidence based, locally demonstrably successful ideas!
[quote][p][bold]davecook[/bold] wrote: One way of getting a good repair job on this is actually a toll road, but not as people generally understand toll roads to be. Get a private company to repair the road, and then pay them over a 25 year period a tiny toll for every car that uses the road, paid for out of the road tax which we already pay. This was done locally with the contruction of the Bere Regis bypass, a road which was abandoned short of Dorchester when Labour came to power in 1997. The Bere Regis bypass has needed no repairs whatsoever, as it was built to last, by a company who knew that building a good road which didn't need repairs would be the most profitable long term way to manage the project. I'd be more than happy if an arrangement like that was looked at for repairs.[/p][/quote]Ooo hark at you with yer real world proven, evidence based, locally demonstrably successful ideas! PokesdownMark
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2:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

P Barker says...

Good old CONservative MPs !. Lets waste £1million setting up toll booths at each exit. That should speed up the traffic nicely.
Good old CONservative MPs !. Lets waste £1million setting up toll booths at each exit. That should speed up the traffic nicely. P Barker
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2:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12

frarog says...

This idea just has to be a joke. We already pay far too much to use roads.
This idea just has to be a joke. We already pay far too much to use roads. frarog
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3:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Stop Press says...

Last I heard Bournemouth Council had £60 Million pounds in an Icelandic Bank.
Last I heard Bournemouth Council had £60 Million pounds in an Icelandic Bank. Stop Press
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3:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

freedom for pokesdown says...

Here's the answer - do nothing and let the bumps and potholes ('nature's natural speed humps') develop until only 4 x 4 drivers (and later only those with tracked vehicles) can commute to work.
Those without off road vehicles to find work in the countryside - keeping the crows off the crops etc.
And to really make matters worse, I suggest we allow developers to build more and more out of town housing estates.
Here's the answer - do nothing and let the bumps and potholes ('nature's natural speed humps') develop until only 4 x 4 drivers (and later only those with tracked vehicles) can commute to work. Those without off road vehicles to find work in the countryside - keeping the crows off the crops etc. And to really make matters worse, I suggest we allow developers to build more and more out of town housing estates. freedom for pokesdown
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3:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

freedom for pokesdown says...

When I find a crack in a wall I use poly-filler. Surely there has got to be some equivalent for cracks in the road?
Just add water?
When I find a crack in a wall I use poly-filler. Surely there has got to be some equivalent for cracks in the road? Just add water? freedom for pokesdown
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3:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Hobie18007 says...

freedom for pokesdown wrote:
When I find a crack in a wall I use poly-filler. Surely there has got to be some equivalent for cracks in the road?
Just add water?
Yes you're right!...cast your mind back to the car park in the Hampshire centre that worked didn't it?
[quote][p][bold]freedom for pokesdown[/bold] wrote: When I find a crack in a wall I use poly-filler. Surely there has got to be some equivalent for cracks in the road? Just add water?[/p][/quote]Yes you're right!...cast your mind back to the car park in the Hampshire centre that worked didn't it? Hobie18007
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3:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

That would be Chris Chope ex-MP then!. Why not just come and spit at your voters it might be simpler than talking this insulting rubbish - surely we pay enough taxes to his Government for a decent road system already. In any case if there was a charge he would claim his back on expenses wouldn't he - kerching.

This issue had clarified one thing however "Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Borough Council, said: “It would be seriously damaging for businesses here, it would cost people their jobs and would impact on people who live and work here." A mix up of his notes, this was what he was meant to say on TV the other day about the failure of his precious reef. Now it all makes sense.

Anyway, about those lizards and other creepy crawlies on the A338, remind me what it cost to pointlessly decimate the trees and vegetation to put up that silly fragile polythene fence prior to these same roadworks NOT happening a couple of years ago.
That would be Chris Chope ex-MP then!. Why not just come and spit at your voters it might be simpler than talking this insulting rubbish - surely we pay enough taxes to his Government for a decent road system already. In any case if there was a charge he would claim his back on expenses wouldn't he - kerching. This issue had clarified one thing however "Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Borough Council, said: “It would be seriously damaging for businesses here, it would cost people their jobs and would impact on people who live and work here." A mix up of his notes, this was what he was meant to say on TV the other day about the failure of his precious reef. Now it all makes sense. Anyway, about those lizards and other creepy crawlies on the A338, remind me what it cost to pointlessly decimate the trees and vegetation to put up that silly fragile polythene fence prior to these same roadworks NOT happening a couple of years ago. muscliffman
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3:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

Hobie18007 wrote:
freedom for pokesdown wrote:
When I find a crack in a wall I use poly-filler. Surely there has got to be some equivalent for cracks in the road?
Just add water?
Yes you're right!...cast your mind back to the car park in the Hampshire centre that worked didn't it?
'Hampshire Centre' ??????????????
[quote][p][bold]Hobie18007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freedom for pokesdown[/bold] wrote: When I find a crack in a wall I use poly-filler. Surely there has got to be some equivalent for cracks in the road? Just add water?[/p][/quote]Yes you're right!...cast your mind back to the car park in the Hampshire centre that worked didn't it?[/p][/quote]'Hampshire Centre' ?????????????? muscliffman
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3:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

muscliffman wrote:
That would be Chris Chope ex-MP then!. Why not just come and spit at your voters it might be simpler than talking this insulting rubbish - surely we pay enough taxes to his Government for a decent road system already. In any case if there was a charge he would claim his back on expenses wouldn't he - kerching.

This issue had clarified one thing however "Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Borough Council, said: “It would be seriously damaging for businesses here, it would cost people their jobs and would impact on people who live and work here." A mix up of his notes, this was what he was meant to say on TV the other day about the failure of his precious reef. Now it all makes sense.

Anyway, about those lizards and other creepy crawlies on the A338, remind me what it cost to pointlessly decimate the trees and vegetation to put up that silly fragile polythene fence prior to these same roadworks NOT happening a couple of years ago.
who's idea was that? lunacy.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: That would be Chris Chope ex-MP then!. Why not just come and spit at your voters it might be simpler than talking this insulting rubbish - surely we pay enough taxes to his Government for a decent road system already. In any case if there was a charge he would claim his back on expenses wouldn't he - kerching. This issue had clarified one thing however "Mark Smith, head of tourism at Bournemouth Borough Council, said: “It would be seriously damaging for businesses here, it would cost people their jobs and would impact on people who live and work here." A mix up of his notes, this was what he was meant to say on TV the other day about the failure of his precious reef. Now it all makes sense. Anyway, about those lizards and other creepy crawlies on the A338, remind me what it cost to pointlessly decimate the trees and vegetation to put up that silly fragile polythene fence prior to these same roadworks NOT happening a couple of years ago.[/p][/quote]who's idea was that? lunacy. Dont drop litter
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3:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

Stop Press wrote:
Last I heard Bournemouth Council had £60 Million pounds in an Icelandic Bank.
That's the last they hearrd of it too.
[quote][p][bold]Stop Press[/bold] wrote: Last I heard Bournemouth Council had £60 Million pounds in an Icelandic Bank.[/p][/quote]That's the last they hearrd of it too. Dont drop litter
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3:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

Stop Press wrote:
Last I heard Bournemouth Council had £60 Million pounds in an Icelandic Bank.
That's the last they heard of it too!
[quote][p][bold]Stop Press[/bold] wrote: Last I heard Bournemouth Council had £60 Million pounds in an Icelandic Bank.[/p][/quote]That's the last they heard of it too! Dont drop litter
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4:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road:
1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again
2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again
3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.
You should become an MP, you ideas are about as useful are the schemes they dream up.
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road: 1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again 2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again 3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.[/p][/quote]You should become an MP, you ideas are about as useful are the schemes they dream up. Dont drop litter
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4:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Howdie says...

Mmmm...toll road, lets avoid it and block up the other roads is the area...not really going to reduce traffic is it? Maybe Bournemouth and Poole councils should heavily promote the public transport system which could be really good, Two bus companies running many routes with competative multi-trip passes, a train line running parallel more or less along the coast from New Forest all way down to Weymouth...bring back public services to support an ailing country. In Europe much better and cheaper, no wonder they laught at us, along with our weather! Yes I do catch the bus from Bournemouth to Poole for work as it's cheaper than driving and about the same time travelling too.
Mmmm...toll road, lets avoid it and block up the other roads is the area...not really going to reduce traffic is it? Maybe Bournemouth and Poole councils should heavily promote the public transport system which could be really good, Two bus companies running many routes with competative multi-trip passes, a train line running parallel more or less along the coast from New Forest all way down to Weymouth...bring back public services to support an ailing country. In Europe much better and cheaper, no wonder they laught at us, along with our weather! Yes I do catch the bus from Bournemouth to Poole for work as it's cheaper than driving and about the same time travelling too. Howdie
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4:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Afcbpete says...

Can't believe any one could be so stupid to even dream this sort of scheme up!! Talk about scoring an own goal, that'll be ONE seat lost in the next election, who in their right minds would vote for someone who can't see passed the end of his nose... Bye bye Mr Chope!!
Can't believe any one could be so stupid to even dream this sort of scheme up!! Talk about scoring an own goal, that'll be ONE seat lost in the next election, who in their right minds would vote for someone who can't see passed the end of his nose... Bye bye Mr Chope!! Afcbpete
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4:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

EGHH says...

Chope talking out of ar$e again. Its time this buffoon was got rid off.
Chope talking out of ar$e again. Its time this buffoon was got rid off. EGHH
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5:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Bournefre says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote:
I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road:
1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again
2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again
3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.
Yes yes. I love your rational thinking.

Ban anyone with a car that can do more than 50 mph.

Install motion detectors that fire lasers if any car exceeds 30 mph within 3 miles of a junction.

Introduce a three strikes and your out rule, none of this losing your licence notice just hang them.

Families of speeders should be dragged into the streets and herded into "community farms" where they will work the land for the benefit of this glorious nation.

The bar stewards.
Now we're talking!
The 2 police cars should be assisted by a helicopter though, because obviously it can cover more ground faster - it's a no-brainer really.

That should solve the problem of how to pay to have the A338 resurfaced.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road: 1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again 2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again 3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.[/p][/quote]Yes yes. I love your rational thinking. Ban anyone with a car that can do more than 50 mph. Install motion detectors that fire lasers if any car exceeds 30 mph within 3 miles of a junction. Introduce a three strikes and your out rule, none of this losing your licence notice just hang them. Families of speeders should be dragged into the streets and herded into "community farms" where they will work the land for the benefit of this glorious nation. The bar stewards.[/p][/quote]Now we're talking! The 2 police cars should be assisted by a helicopter though, because obviously it can cover more ground faster - it's a no-brainer really. That should solve the problem of how to pay to have the A338 resurfaced. Bournefre
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5:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12

happyinbournemouth says...

Why waste more money doing the A338 up? Build a whole new motorway link from Southampton it is about time Bournemouth moved into the 21st Century. The amount of people that travel on roads to the town every day and holiday traffic must run into millions so it needs a better system than an A road.
Why waste more money doing the A338 up? Build a whole new motorway link from Southampton it is about time Bournemouth moved into the 21st Century. The amount of people that travel on roads to the town every day and holiday traffic must run into millions so it needs a better system than an A road. happyinbournemouth
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5:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

CC C-siders says...

I am sick and tired of clowns like this banging on and on about levying more and more taxes on the tax payers of this country. It's about time he realised HE IS THERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
Having voted Conservative most of my life I am now ashamed that this bunch are little better than the mindless morons that went before.
Forget more taxes. Forget what the self-centred bankers (including Mervyn) are telling you. It is the working people of this country that have been completely ignored by all politicians for far too long.
No more taxes Mr Chope and local politicians - try to engage your brains and come up with an alternative; start with stopping wasting other peoples money on half-baked projects (look at Poole bridge, the Boscombe fiasco, mindless ideas about developing Sandbanks) and wasteful year end spending on anything to use up your budgets.
Pick up the mirror for cost savings
I am sick and tired of clowns like this banging on and on about levying more and more taxes on the tax payers of this country. It's about time he realised HE IS THERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE. Having voted Conservative most of my life I am now ashamed that this bunch are little better than the mindless morons that went before. Forget more taxes. Forget what the self-centred bankers (including Mervyn) are telling you. It is the working people of this country that have been completely ignored by all politicians for far too long. No more taxes Mr Chope and local politicians - try to engage your brains and come up with an alternative; start with stopping wasting other peoples money on half-baked projects (look at Poole bridge, the Boscombe fiasco, mindless ideas about developing Sandbanks) and wasteful year end spending on anything to use up your budgets. Pick up the mirror for cost savings CC C-siders
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6:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

Bournefre wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
rudolph_hucker wrote:
I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road:
1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again
2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again
3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.
Yes yes. I love your rational thinking.

Ban anyone with a car that can do more than 50 mph.

Install motion detectors that fire lasers if any car exceeds 30 mph within 3 miles of a junction.

Introduce a three strikes and your out rule, none of this losing your licence notice just hang them.

Families of speeders should be dragged into the streets and herded into "community farms" where they will work the land for the benefit of this glorious nation.

The bar stewards.
Now we're talking!
The 2 police cars should be assisted by a helicopter though, because obviously it can cover more ground faster - it's a no-brainer really.

That should solve the problem of how to pay to have the A338 resurfaced.
Oh yes.

Additionally though two large coach loads of police standing-by at each end in full high-viz 'get up' with all the trimmings, to descend on even the slightest incident on the A338 road.

Then turn these situations into an 'make this will last until end of shift plus overtime pay' event, whilst closing the road for hours and hours to add to the sense of occasion.

Oh hang on, I think that idea may already be in place.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: I can tell you now how to drastically cut down on accidents on this road: 1. Ban anyone who has caused an accident on this road from ever using it again 2. Have 2 police cars, one unmarked, permanently driving from county gates roundabout to ashley heath and back again 3. Extend the 50pmh limit to beyond the Blackwater Junction, or remove all the current speed cameras and replace with average speed types.[/p][/quote]Yes yes. I love your rational thinking. Ban anyone with a car that can do more than 50 mph. Install motion detectors that fire lasers if any car exceeds 30 mph within 3 miles of a junction. Introduce a three strikes and your out rule, none of this losing your licence notice just hang them. Families of speeders should be dragged into the streets and herded into "community farms" where they will work the land for the benefit of this glorious nation. The bar stewards.[/p][/quote]Now we're talking! The 2 police cars should be assisted by a helicopter though, because obviously it can cover more ground faster - it's a no-brainer really. That should solve the problem of how to pay to have the A338 resurfaced.[/p][/quote]Oh yes. Additionally though two large coach loads of police standing-by at each end in full high-viz 'get up' with all the trimmings, to descend on even the slightest incident on the A338 road. Then turn these situations into an 'make this will last until end of shift plus overtime pay' event, whilst closing the road for hours and hours to add to the sense of occasion. Oh hang on, I think that idea may already be in place. muscliffman
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6:03pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Capricorn 1 says...

I thought that Highwaymen were a thing of the past.

It's one thing to build a new road like the M6 toll road and to charge for using that, but to literally hijack an existing main arterial road and make it a toll road would make Dick Turpin look like Pudsey Bear.
I thought that Highwaymen were a thing of the past. It's one thing to build a new road like the M6 toll road and to charge for using that, but to literally hijack an existing main arterial road and make it a toll road would make Dick Turpin look like Pudsey Bear. Capricorn 1
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6:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12

anti wrinkle says...

Capricorn 1 wrote:
I thought that Highwaymen were a thing of the past.

It's one thing to build a new road like the M6 toll road and to charge for using that, but to literally hijack an existing main arterial road and make it a toll road would make Dick Turpin look like Pudsey Bear.
Brilliant
[quote][p][bold]Capricorn 1[/bold] wrote: I thought that Highwaymen were a thing of the past. It's one thing to build a new road like the M6 toll road and to charge for using that, but to literally hijack an existing main arterial road and make it a toll road would make Dick Turpin look like Pudsey Bear.[/p][/quote]Brilliant anti wrinkle
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6:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12

corozin says...

Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m?

It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something?
Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m? It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something? corozin
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6:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

dorsetspeed says...

corozin wrote:
Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m?

It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something?
well they did manage to spend 6 million on a roundabout!
[quote][p][bold]corozin[/bold] wrote: Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m? It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something?[/p][/quote]well they did manage to spend 6 million on a roundabout! dorsetspeed
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6:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

anti wrinkle says...

it was murder when i lived near the Cannock toll road
Drivers banging on my door in the middle of the night asking if I had change for a twenty pound note.
it was murder when i lived near the Cannock toll road Drivers banging on my door in the middle of the night asking if I had change for a twenty pound note. anti wrinkle
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6:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

2kosh says...

What a silly statement, cars will avoid a toll road and bring the rest of Bournemouth to a grid lock that you have never seen. Has he nothing better to do than think of silly idea`s??????
What a silly statement, cars will avoid a toll road and bring the rest of Bournemouth to a grid lock that you have never seen. Has he nothing better to do than think of silly idea`s?????? 2kosh
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6:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12

alasdair1967 says...

Stupid idea people would find alternative routes to avoid the toll causing congestion on those roads instead !
Stupid idea people would find alternative routes to avoid the toll causing congestion on those roads instead ! alasdair1967
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6:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Hobad1 says...

If you re-arrange the letters in "MP Chris Chope"...you get "complete tw@t head".
If you re-arrange the letters in "MP Chris Chope"...you get "complete tw@t head". Hobad1
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6:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Starpoint says...

corozin wrote:
Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m?

It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something?
Probably gold Cats eyes.
[quote][p][bold]corozin[/bold] wrote: Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m? It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something?[/p][/quote]Probably gold Cats eyes. Starpoint
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7:10pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dj Kaz says...

This just seems stupid! I don't have anything against MP's, just this one!
This just seems stupid! I don't have anything against MP's, just this one! Dj Kaz
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7:36pm Fri 16 Nov 12

r soles says...

poole man in france wrote:
aerolover wrote:
As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads.
Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.
Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative.
you obviously haven`t been to europe recently.

the cost in mainland europe makes our prices seem positively benign
[quote][p][bold]poole man in france[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads. Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.[/p][/quote]Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative.[/p][/quote]you obviously haven`t been to europe recently. the cost in mainland europe makes our prices seem positively benign r soles
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8:19pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Bournefre says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
corozin wrote:
Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m?

It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something?
well they did manage to spend 6 million on a roundabout!
Then there's that bit of fence by the Cooper Dean roundabout; how much did that cost? 17 grand?
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]corozin[/bold] wrote: Perhaps a more relevant question is how the hell is this work costing an estimated £26m? It's only 9 miles long. Are they putting in gold paving or something?[/p][/quote]well they did manage to spend 6 million on a roundabout![/p][/quote]Then there's that bit of fence by the Cooper Dean roundabout; how much did that cost? 17 grand? Bournefre
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8:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

West moors 1 says...

What a load of rubbish, this MP is clearly out of touch. The repairs wouldn't cost so muchbifvwe didntvhave to spend millions on protecting the insects that may get disturbed byvthe work! These insects are brighter than the average MP and environmentalist so wouldn't go onto the works anyway! To charge people to come into Bournemouth would cripple the town, it would send the message we are NOT open for business. Why do my taxes go to idiots like this?
What a load of rubbish, this MP is clearly out of touch. The repairs wouldn't cost so muchbifvwe didntvhave to spend millions on protecting the insects that may get disturbed byvthe work! These insects are brighter than the average MP and environmentalist so wouldn't go onto the works anyway! To charge people to come into Bournemouth would cripple the town, it would send the message we are NOT open for business. Why do my taxes go to idiots like this? West moors 1
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8:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

theoakman says...

Its taken two weeks to patch up Avon Causeway, if they decided to completely resurface the A338, we had all better move to ringwood, because Bournemouth and Christchurch would be almost impossible to access, because it would take DCC best part of two years to complete it.
Its taken two weeks to patch up Avon Causeway, if they decided to completely resurface the A338, we had all better move to ringwood, because Bournemouth and Christchurch would be almost impossible to access, because it would take DCC best part of two years to complete it. theoakman
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8:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

fossilmole says...

R..o..a..d F..u..n..d L..i..c..e..n..s..e

Give the man Chope a lesson in history.

Until the politechickens changed the name to Vehicle Excise Duty we must have paid absolutely enormous amounts of money to pay for these roads a million times over.
R..o..a..d F..u..n..d L..i..c..e..n..s..e Give the man Chope a lesson in history. Until the politechickens changed the name to Vehicle Excise Duty we must have paid absolutely enormous amounts of money to pay for these roads a million times over. fossilmole
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9:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

arthur1948 says...

it will lead to yet more congestion on the other roads as people avoid the toll...

get a brain politicians...
it will lead to yet more congestion on the other roads as people avoid the toll... get a brain politicians... arthur1948
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9:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

rayc says...

r soles wrote:
poole man in france wrote:
aerolover wrote:
As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads.
Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.
Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative.
you obviously haven`t been to europe recently.

the cost in mainland europe makes our prices seem positively benign
I have been to France in the last month. Diesel was on average €1.35 per litre. With the exchange rate to the £ being €1.2 it makes it much cheaper than the average UK price.
[quote][p][bold]r soles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poole man in france[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads. Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.[/p][/quote]Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative.[/p][/quote]you obviously haven`t been to europe recently. the cost in mainland europe makes our prices seem positively benign[/p][/quote]I have been to France in the last month. Diesel was on average €1.35 per litre. With the exchange rate to the £ being €1.2 it makes it much cheaper than the average UK price. rayc
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11:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

bestmen says...

What a brilliant idea. It would cause havoc on all the minor routes, cost a fortune to administer and alienate all the local motorists.
What a brilliant idea. It would cause havoc on all the minor routes, cost a fortune to administer and alienate all the local motorists. bestmen
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11:15pm Fri 16 Nov 12

dirtyboy says...

Chope or Dope or Both probably !!!
Chope or Dope or Both probably !!! dirtyboy
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11:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Avengerboy says...

Dont drop litter says...
11:16am Fri 16 Nov 12

Dont drop litter wrote:
Avengerboy wrote:
At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up.
Blackwater junction is a black spot because the slipway is too short and the traffic light phasing means cars have to queue on the main carriageway. Lighting won't prevent accidents. Cutting down the undercroth and hedges so that people ccan see emerging vehicles entering the carriageway certainly would.
Incidentally, what does this persons political stance have to do with it? Idiots come in all shapes and sizes.

Tory elitist cretin, in a financial position that relegates paying a Toll an irrelevance. Others will just cant afford it.
Dont drop litter says... 11:16am Fri 16 Nov 12 Dont drop litter wrote: Avengerboy wrote: At a guess I would say this MP is a Tory???!! The true problem here is the amount that the contractors want. Re-engineering of Blackwater junction could be overcome with lighting, the main issue for that blackspot. The rest of the road requires resurfacing, drainage and driver visual safety devices. £26 million, impressive mark up. Blackwater junction is a black spot because the slipway is too short and the traffic light phasing means cars have to queue on the main carriageway. Lighting won't prevent accidents. Cutting down the undercroth and hedges so that people ccan see emerging vehicles entering the carriageway certainly would. Incidentally, what does this persons political stance have to do with it? Idiots come in all shapes and sizes. Tory elitist cretin, in a financial position that relegates paying a Toll an irrelevance. Others will just cant afford it. Avengerboy
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12:09am Sat 17 Nov 12

Martin243 says...

Why don't we get advertising boards on the side of this road charging business for advertising space. That way we get money to repair the road. A toll would be damaging on business and with high petrol prices people are cutting back as it is.
Why don't we get advertising boards on the side of this road charging business for advertising space. That way we get money to repair the road. A toll would be damaging on business and with high petrol prices people are cutting back as it is. Martin243
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12:39am Sat 17 Nov 12

eyesropen says...

It has always struck me as crazy that every morning there are queues of people driving from e.g. bournemouth to southampton & vice versa to do the same job in each others towns. Imagine how quiet the roads would be if these people swapped jobs.
It has always struck me as crazy that every morning there are queues of people driving from e.g. bournemouth to southampton & vice versa to do the same job in each others towns. Imagine how quiet the roads would be if these people swapped jobs. eyesropen
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7:40am Sat 17 Nov 12

victor meldrew 17 says...

i,m not sure if it was the AA or RAC that came up with the figure of 45 billion a year that british motorists contribute in taxes each year.About one fith of witch is spent on the roads.At the moment we are not getting value value for money.If we want people to visit our town and spend there money here we need to make it easy for them to do so, on a busy weekend the queue to get into town starts in the middle of the new forest .when it comes to going home again its even worse ,how many people sit in a traffic jam ,trying to get out of town,with a car load of whining children thinking i'm never coming to this bloody town again.\if we want to attract visitors we have to make it an easy and plesant experience for them.If they do not enjoy themselves they will vote with there feet,and spend there money eleswhere in future . ..
i,m not sure if it was the AA or RAC that came up with the figure of 45 billion a year that british motorists contribute in taxes each year.About one fith of witch is spent on the roads.At the moment we are not getting value value for money.If we want people to visit our town and spend there money here we need to make it easy for them to do so, on a busy weekend the queue to get into town starts in the middle of the new forest .when it comes to going home again its even worse ,how many people sit in a traffic jam ,trying to get out of town,with a car load of whining children thinking i'm never coming to this bloody town again.\if we want to attract visitors we have to make it an easy and plesant experience for them.If they do not enjoy themselves they will vote with there feet,and spend there money eleswhere in future . .. victor meldrew 17
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8:06am Sat 17 Nov 12

a.g.o.g. says...

victor meldrew 17 wrote:
i,m not sure if it was the AA or RAC that came up with the figure of 45 billion a year that british motorists contribute in taxes each year.About one fith of witch is spent on the roads.At the moment we are not getting value value for money.If we want people to visit our town and spend there money here we need to make it easy for them to do so, on a busy weekend the queue to get into town starts in the middle of the new forest .when it comes to going home again its even worse ,how many people sit in a traffic jam ,trying to get out of town,with a car load of whining children thinking i'm never coming to this bloody town again.\if we want to attract visitors we have to make it an easy and plesant experience for them.If they do not enjoy themselves they will vote with there feet,and spend there money eleswhere in future . ..
"vote with their wheels" more like but it isn`t the ever-likely low-spending Day-tripper we should be concerned about.
Goods and services along with, principally, working commutors in both directions being the main-line users.
What point is there in the drive towards all using economical vehicle if we don`t have a well maintained road system that exploits them. It should be beyond politics.
[quote][p][bold]victor meldrew 17[/bold] wrote: i,m not sure if it was the AA or RAC that came up with the figure of 45 billion a year that british motorists contribute in taxes each year.About one fith of witch is spent on the roads.At the moment we are not getting value value for money.If we want people to visit our town and spend there money here we need to make it easy for them to do so, on a busy weekend the queue to get into town starts in the middle of the new forest .when it comes to going home again its even worse ,how many people sit in a traffic jam ,trying to get out of town,with a car load of whining children thinking i'm never coming to this bloody town again.\if we want to attract visitors we have to make it an easy and plesant experience for them.If they do not enjoy themselves they will vote with there feet,and spend there money eleswhere in future . ..[/p][/quote]"vote with their wheels" more like but it isn`t the ever-likely low-spending Day-tripper we should be concerned about. Goods and services along with, principally, working commutors in both directions being the main-line users. What point is there in the drive towards all using economical vehicle if we don`t have a well maintained road system that exploits them. It should be beyond politics. a.g.o.g.
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8:39am Sat 17 Nov 12

anti wrinkle says...

So then chope wants a toll road,

Leave ours alone

Build your own one then,

And see how many drivers you get to use it

You could name it

Chope no hope dope road to Amarillo.
So then chope wants a toll road, Leave ours alone Build your own one then, And see how many drivers you get to use it You could name it Chope no hope dope road to Amarillo. anti wrinkle
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9:02am Sat 17 Nov 12

spooki says...

Perhaps If we wanted to go to Southampton or Portsmouth for a day out we could leave our expensive cars at home and catch the bus! Oh no wait, THERE ISN'T ONE. Why is it you can get from Bmth Hospital to Poole or Bournemouth centre every few minutes but the big 'local' cities people actually might want to go to don't have a bus service? We used the Southampton X3 a lot when it ran as it was easier than driving, you didnt have to park and it was always busy. The trains are too expensive (£20 to get to Portsmouth), parking & petrol costs a lot, and now they want to charge us for driving somewhere? Local buses take too long to get anywhere - my friend drove us to Portsmouth in the time it took my mum on the M1 to go from Castlepoint to Westbourne.
Stop 'patching' the roads, cut down that mound of overgrown grass at Blackwater and get someone with half a brain (who actually uses the road regularly) to come up with a better solution.
Perhaps If we wanted to go to Southampton or Portsmouth for a day out we could leave our expensive cars at home and catch the bus! Oh no wait, THERE ISN'T ONE. Why is it you can get from Bmth Hospital to Poole or Bournemouth centre every few minutes but the big 'local' cities people actually might want to go to don't have a bus service? We used the Southampton X3 a lot when it ran as it was easier than driving, you didnt have to park and it was always busy. The trains are too expensive (£20 to get to Portsmouth), parking & petrol costs a lot, and now they want to charge us for driving somewhere? Local buses take too long to get anywhere - my friend drove us to Portsmouth in the time it took my mum on the M1 to go from Castlepoint to Westbourne. Stop 'patching' the roads, cut down that mound of overgrown grass at Blackwater and get someone with half a brain (who actually uses the road regularly) to come up with a better solution. spooki
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9:04am Sat 17 Nov 12

Rolsy71 says...

Robbers...

It's a sad fact that our road fund fees (car tax) are not wholly spent on our roads. If any other organisation were to operate the way the government and councils do, they'd be prosecuted for various different reasons...

Charging people to use the spur road will push traffic onto the A31 and the A35 in the other direction causing more problems than it's supposed to be solving! :/
Robbers... It's a sad fact that our road fund fees (car tax) are not wholly spent on our roads. If any other organisation were to operate the way the government and councils do, they'd be prosecuted for various different reasons... Charging people to use the spur road will push traffic onto the A31 and the A35 in the other direction causing more problems than it's supposed to be solving! :/ Rolsy71
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9:40am Sat 17 Nov 12

rayc says...

Martin243 wrote:
Why don't we get advertising boards on the side of this road charging business for advertising space. That way we get money to repair the road. A toll would be damaging on business and with high petrol prices people are cutting back as it is.
Strange that we are told by the Police that distraction is one of the main causes of accidents but when it comes to councils making money, by things such as sponsoring a roundabout with associated signage, the safety aspect is ignored.
[quote][p][bold]Martin243[/bold] wrote: Why don't we get advertising boards on the side of this road charging business for advertising space. That way we get money to repair the road. A toll would be damaging on business and with high petrol prices people are cutting back as it is.[/p][/quote]Strange that we are told by the Police that distraction is one of the main causes of accidents but when it comes to councils making money, by things such as sponsoring a roundabout with associated signage, the safety aspect is ignored. rayc
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9:43am Sat 17 Nov 12

bkiddus says...

Ok Mr Chope so you say you want a toll system that does not involve charging residents of Hampshire or Dorset. Ok, so how's that going to work,

Low tech version would be toll booths at each end? cost of expensive planning process, cost of building toll booths, cost of widening the roads leading to said toll booths to prevent gridlock, cost of wages for attendants.

OK so lets use some tech with a number plate registration system, cost of gantries and cameras, cost of cabling to a data centre, cost of software development because there is no off the shelf system to do this.

All of these solutions would cost far more than the £25M needed to resurface the road.

Mr Chope you are PAID to REPRESENT the people of your constituency so may I suggest you get yourself down to the DoT and make a nuiscience of yourself until you get the money.

May I also suggest that as thinking is clearly not one of your strong points, that the next time you have an idea that you post it here to see what the people you are supposed to REPRESENT think of it.

Dorset receives a pittance from the DoT compared to the rest of the country DO YOUR JOB.
Ok Mr Chope so you say you want a toll system that does not involve charging residents of Hampshire or Dorset. Ok, so how's that going to work, Low tech version would be toll booths at each end? cost of expensive planning process, cost of building toll booths, cost of widening the roads leading to said toll booths to prevent gridlock, cost of wages for attendants. OK so lets use some tech with a number plate registration system, cost of gantries and cameras, cost of cabling to a data centre, cost of software development because there is no off the shelf system to do this. All of these solutions would cost far more than the £25M needed to resurface the road. Mr Chope you are PAID to REPRESENT the people of your constituency so may I suggest you get yourself down to the DoT and make a nuiscience of yourself until you get the money. May I also suggest that as thinking is clearly not one of your strong points, that the next time you have an idea that you post it here to see what the people you are supposed to REPRESENT think of it. Dorset receives a pittance from the DoT compared to the rest of the country DO YOUR JOB. bkiddus
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10:01am Sat 17 Nov 12

bkiddus says...

Adrian XX wrote:
sussexcherry wrote:
Great advert for the tourists, come and experience hours of hell queueing to pay to use our toll road!! What planet is he from?
There will be some automated scanning technology as there is for the congestion charge in London. No need to queue.
Yes but he is saying that people in Dorset and Hampshire wont have to pay. So it would need to differentiate drivers, the congestion charge sytem used by london would need to be modified and the cost of implementing this would be more than £25Million. Might be interesting to find out if Chope has shares in companies that sell this tech or is a 'consultant' ie snout in the trough.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexcherry[/bold] wrote: Great advert for the tourists, come and experience hours of hell queueing to pay to use our toll road!! What planet is he from?[/p][/quote]There will be some automated scanning technology as there is for the congestion charge in London. No need to queue.[/p][/quote]Yes but he is saying that people in Dorset and Hampshire wont have to pay. So it would need to differentiate drivers, the congestion charge sytem used by london would need to be modified and the cost of implementing this would be more than £25Million. Might be interesting to find out if Chope has shares in companies that sell this tech or is a 'consultant' ie snout in the trough. bkiddus
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10:12am Sat 17 Nov 12

anti wrinkle says...

Mr Chope knose less about roads than
Our local lollipop lady.
Mr Chope knose less about roads than Our local lollipop lady. anti wrinkle
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10:16am Sat 17 Nov 12

polblagger says...

LOL at the shires.

There's nothing wrong with this road, you want to go to London to see a road that really needs resurfacing.

As for the number of accidents, it's got nothing to do with the road. Dorset seems to have a massively disproportionate number of terrible drivers.

Just the other day I passed a middle aged man in a Jag on the A338. He was doing 70mph on a 50mph max space saver spare wheel while on his mobile.
LOL at the shires. There's nothing wrong with this road, you want to go to London to see a road that really needs resurfacing. As for the number of accidents, it's got nothing to do with the road. Dorset seems to have a massively disproportionate number of terrible drivers. Just the other day I passed a middle aged man in a Jag on the A338. He was doing 70mph on a 50mph max space saver spare wheel while on his mobile. polblagger
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10:42am Sat 17 Nov 12

Talkingheadera says...

poole man in france wrote:
aerolover wrote:
As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads.
Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.
Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative.
Foreign drivers fill up before they get here to avoid our high prices
[quote][p][bold]poole man in france[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aerolover[/bold] wrote: As usual Chris Chope MP like all MP's live in an ivory tower and don't know have the phelbs live. We have paid for this and every road in the country many times over. What we need is a government that charges driver from outside UK to drive on OUR roads the same as we get charged abroad. Also make cyclists pay a type of road tax to cover cycle lanes. They pay nothing but use OUR roads. Road tax should be for roads not to cover benefits.[/p][/quote]Drivers from outside the UK do pay for YOUR roads every time they put fuel in their tanks when in the UK (which is much more expensive than fuel in most other countries). Abroad there is no obligation to use a toll road. There is always, albeit slower, a free alternative.[/p][/quote]Foreign drivers fill up before they get here to avoid our high prices Talkingheadera
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11:38am Sat 17 Nov 12

News Fanatic says...

If Mr Chope's party can find £100m to waste on the completely pointless police commissioner elections, they should have no difficulty finding finance for the ESSENTIAL A338 road works.
If Mr Chope's party can find £100m to waste on the completely pointless police commissioner elections, they should have no difficulty finding finance for the ESSENTIAL A338 road works. News Fanatic
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12:17pm Sat 17 Nov 12

PaulOvey says...

Can someone please explain to me why this road seems to be so challenging to so many drivers to safely navigate? I used to use this road twice a day to commute to work for almost 10 years and have never had a problem with it. It almost straight, and the hills (if you can call them that) dont exactly creep up on you.
Can someone please explain to me why this road seems to be so challenging to so many drivers to safely navigate? I used to use this road twice a day to commute to work for almost 10 years and have never had a problem with it. It almost straight, and the hills (if you can call them that) dont exactly creep up on you. PaulOvey
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12:44pm Sat 17 Nov 12

polblagger says...

PaulOvey wrote:
Can someone please explain to me why this road seems to be so challenging to so many drivers to safely navigate? I used to use this road twice a day to commute to work for almost 10 years and have never had a problem with it. It almost straight, and the hills (if you can call them that) dont exactly creep up on you.
Agreed, I've driven down it covered in sheet ice, in snow you can barely see through and in freezing fog.

This is about as safe as a road gets, if you can't drive safely on the spur road you shouldn't be driving.
[quote][p][bold]PaulOvey[/bold] wrote: Can someone please explain to me why this road seems to be so challenging to so many drivers to safely navigate? I used to use this road twice a day to commute to work for almost 10 years and have never had a problem with it. It almost straight, and the hills (if you can call them that) dont exactly creep up on you.[/p][/quote]Agreed, I've driven down it covered in sheet ice, in snow you can barely see through and in freezing fog. This is about as safe as a road gets, if you can't drive safely on the spur road you shouldn't be driving. polblagger
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1:24pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Phixer says...

"Dorset Country Council says improving the dual carriageway remains a high priority and there is “no lack of will” to push ahead with plans.

They say it costs £1million a year to patch up what is an already worn-out road."


I must be driving on the wrong road, have certainly driven on worse condition roads, so why the urgent need to spend my taxes?

Don't you just like the idea of an MP requiring tolls on a road system which would push more traffic through Christchurch causing gridlock and chaos.
"Dorset Country Council says improving the dual carriageway remains a high priority and there is “no lack of will” to push ahead with plans. They say it costs £1million a year to patch up what is an already worn-out road." I must be driving on the wrong road, have certainly driven on worse condition roads, so why the urgent need to spend my taxes? Don't you just like the idea of an MP requiring tolls on a road system which would push more traffic through Christchurch causing gridlock and chaos. Phixer
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3:17pm Sat 17 Nov 12

poshboy says...

IMO the best road in Britain is the M6 toll road. Quiet, well looked after and a pleasure to drive on. If only we could say the same for the A338
IMO the best road in Britain is the M6 toll road. Quiet, well looked after and a pleasure to drive on. If only we could say the same for the A338 poshboy
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7:44am Sun 18 Nov 12

RivermeadMike says...

Adrian XX wrote:
Kenwood1957 wrote:
This proposal just goes to show how out of touch (and not very bright)members of this governing party are.
Rather than consider how to extract yet more money from road users as eloquently expressed elsewhere, this lot should use 'more imaginative' ways of collecting taxes from their wealthy friends and corporations who are given tax breaks and are able to exploit tax avoidance schemes. Then road user's money could be spent on the roads.
While there are some highly dubious tax avoidance schemes such as the K2 scheme used by Jimmy Carr, most of what is termed "tax avoidance" by large corporations is perfectly legal and uses the basic (and well known) tenets of EU and international tax law to move profits around the world. No need to use a "tax haven" - Luxembourg has lower corporation tax, so profits are moved there. I don't think we can remove ourselves unilaterally from global tax treaties and certainly not from EU treaties unless we leave the EU altogether. It was quite funny to hear Tessa Munt MP on question time last night stating "somehow we have to get a mechanism so that they (Starbucks) pay some tax on their UK sales". THEY DO - IT'S CALLED VAT!
AdrianXX obviously doesn't know how VAT works.

Starbucks et al don't pay VAT! Any VAT they pay is effectively refunded.

The ultimate consumer, ie you and me are the ones who actually pay the tax.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kenwood1957[/bold] wrote: This proposal just goes to show how out of touch (and not very bright)members of this governing party are. Rather than consider how to extract yet more money from road users as eloquently expressed elsewhere, this lot should use 'more imaginative' ways of collecting taxes from their wealthy friends and corporations who are given tax breaks and are able to exploit tax avoidance schemes. Then road user's money could be spent on the roads.[/p][/quote]While there are some highly dubious tax avoidance schemes such as the K2 scheme used by Jimmy Carr, most of what is termed "tax avoidance" by large corporations is perfectly legal and uses the basic (and well known) tenets of EU and international tax law to move profits around the world. No need to use a "tax haven" - Luxembourg has lower corporation tax, so profits are moved there. I don't think we can remove ourselves unilaterally from global tax treaties and certainly not from EU treaties unless we leave the EU altogether. It was quite funny to hear Tessa Munt MP on question time last night stating "somehow we have to get a mechanism so that they (Starbucks) pay some tax on their UK sales". THEY DO - IT'S CALLED VAT![/p][/quote]AdrianXX obviously doesn't know how VAT works. Starbucks et al don't pay VAT! Any VAT they pay is effectively refunded. The ultimate consumer, ie you and me are the ones who actually pay the tax. RivermeadMike
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10:40am Sun 18 Nov 12

FNS-man says...

victor meldrew 17 wrote:
i,m not sure if it was the AA or RAC that came up with the figure of 45 billion a year that british motorists contribute in taxes each year.About one fith of witch is spent on the roads.At the moment we are not getting value value for money.If we want people to visit our town and spend there money here we need to make it easy for them to do so, on a busy weekend the queue to get into town starts in the middle of the new forest .when it comes to going home again its even worse ,how many people sit in a traffic jam ,trying to get out of town,with a car load of whining children thinking i'm never coming to this bloody town again.\if we want to attract visitors we have to make it an easy and plesant experience for them.If they do not enjoy themselves they will vote with there feet,and spend there money eleswhere in future . ..
A 2009 government report said that there was £48bn collected in VED, fuel duty, VAT on fuel and other charges. The costs of motoring just for urban areas were:

-£9bn on road maintenance
-£11bn delays from congestion
-£9bn accidents
-£5bn poor air quality (lowest estimate, could be £11bn)
-£10bn cost from physical inactivity
-£4bn - noise pollution

So just for towns and cities, that equals at least all revenues collected. So add in all rural areas, and the other costs not listed here, and you see that the motorist is subsidised to a large extent.
[quote][p][bold]victor meldrew 17[/bold] wrote: i,m not sure if it was the AA or RAC that came up with the figure of 45 billion a year that british motorists contribute in taxes each year.About one fith of witch is spent on the roads.At the moment we are not getting value value for money.If we want people to visit our town and spend there money here we need to make it easy for them to do so, on a busy weekend the queue to get into town starts in the middle of the new forest .when it comes to going home again its even worse ,how many people sit in a traffic jam ,trying to get out of town,with a car load of whining children thinking i'm never coming to this bloody town again.\if we want to attract visitors we have to make it an easy and plesant experience for them.If they do not enjoy themselves they will vote with there feet,and spend there money eleswhere in future . ..[/p][/quote]A 2009 government report said that there was £48bn collected in VED, fuel duty, VAT on fuel and other charges. The costs of motoring just for urban areas were: -£9bn on road maintenance -£11bn delays from congestion -£9bn accidents -£5bn poor air quality (lowest estimate, could be £11bn) -£10bn cost from physical inactivity -£4bn - noise pollution So just for towns and cities, that equals at least all revenues collected. So add in all rural areas, and the other costs not listed here, and you see that the motorist is subsidised to a large extent. FNS-man
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10:24am Mon 19 Nov 12

reeve007 says...

If speed is the cause of wear and tear and accidents:-
Let them install chicanes and speed bumps every 100 yards !
If speed is the cause of wear and tear and accidents:- Let them install chicanes and speed bumps every 100 yards ! reeve007
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12:08pm Mon 19 Nov 12

speedy231278 says...

Where are they spending this alleged £1M a year on it?
Where are they spending this alleged £1M a year on it? speedy231278
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5:30pm Mon 19 Nov 12

sixhundred says...

Other ideas:

- reduce the speed limit to 50. This reduces wear and tear

- charge for multiple uses e.g. once or twice a day is fine, more would be pay per use

- allow local tax payers to use for free. Charge others

- make one lane for cars with 2+ occupants. This encourages people to car share

- keep lorries to the inside lane in peak hours. This reduces congestion and travel time.

There's lots of novel ways to improve the use of our roads. It just needs some imaginative thinking. Let's face it, too many cars, too little road.
Other ideas: - reduce the speed limit to 50. This reduces wear and tear - charge for multiple uses e.g. once or twice a day is fine, more would be pay per use - allow local tax payers to use for free. Charge others - make one lane for cars with 2+ occupants. This encourages people to car share - keep lorries to the inside lane in peak hours. This reduces congestion and travel time. There's lots of novel ways to improve the use of our roads. It just needs some imaginative thinking. Let's face it, too many cars, too little road. sixhundred
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6:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

AdelaidePete says...

Folk mention a monorail. May I suggest an o-bahn like we have in Adelaide. (Look it up on utube). I can catch a bus into town which runs at 80 to 100k.p.h and be in town much faster than using my car. The bus runs on normal roads then switches to a dedicated track, a bit like a train. Much more flexible than monorail, just needs a bit of investment for the future. Needs next to no ongoing expensive upkeep. Hugely reduces car volume.
Folk mention a monorail. May I suggest an o-bahn like we have in Adelaide. (Look it up on utube). I can catch a bus into town which runs at 80 to 100k.p.h and be in town much faster than using my car. The bus runs on normal roads then switches to a dedicated track, a bit like a train. Much more flexible than monorail, just needs a bit of investment for the future. Needs next to no ongoing expensive upkeep. Hugely reduces car volume. AdelaidePete
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4:39pm Tue 20 Nov 12

marketboy says...

AdelaidePete wrote:
Folk mention a monorail. May I suggest an o-bahn like we have in Adelaide. (Look it up on utube). I can catch a bus into town which runs at 80 to 100k.p.h and be in town much faster than using my car. The bus runs on normal roads then switches to a dedicated track, a bit like a train. Much more flexible than monorail, just needs a bit of investment for the future. Needs next to no ongoing expensive upkeep. Hugely reduces car volume.
Much much too radical for this country.
Got to to keep the tarmac suppliers in business.Chris Chope MP? ex Tory for Winchester,who was kicked out by the voters,after agreeing to the M3 gouging it's way through the chalk downs.
[quote][p][bold]AdelaidePete[/bold] wrote: Folk mention a monorail. May I suggest an o-bahn like we have in Adelaide. (Look it up on utube). I can catch a bus into town which runs at 80 to 100k.p.h and be in town much faster than using my car. The bus runs on normal roads then switches to a dedicated track, a bit like a train. Much more flexible than monorail, just needs a bit of investment for the future. Needs next to no ongoing expensive upkeep. Hugely reduces car volume.[/p][/quote]Much much too radical for this country. Got to to keep the tarmac suppliers in business.Chris Chope MP? ex Tory for Winchester,who was kicked out by the voters,after agreeing to the M3 gouging it's way through the chalk downs. marketboy
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8:13pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Phixer says...

AdelaidePete wrote:
Folk mention a monorail. May I suggest an o-bahn like we have in Adelaide. (Look it up on utube). I can catch a bus into town which runs at 80 to 100k.p.h and be in town much faster than using my car. The bus runs on normal roads then switches to a dedicated track, a bit like a train. Much more flexible than monorail, just needs a bit of investment for the future. Needs next to no ongoing expensive upkeep. Hugely reduces car volume.
There is a similar system in Crawley and Cambridge has been spending a lot of money converting conventional train routes for a busway.

Problem is, only dedicated buses can use the special track. Our existing bus lanes are more flexible and far cheaper to produce the same result.
[quote][p][bold]AdelaidePete[/bold] wrote: Folk mention a monorail. May I suggest an o-bahn like we have in Adelaide. (Look it up on utube). I can catch a bus into town which runs at 80 to 100k.p.h and be in town much faster than using my car. The bus runs on normal roads then switches to a dedicated track, a bit like a train. Much more flexible than monorail, just needs a bit of investment for the future. Needs next to no ongoing expensive upkeep. Hugely reduces car volume.[/p][/quote]There is a similar system in Crawley and Cambridge has been spending a lot of money converting conventional train routes for a busway. Problem is, only dedicated buses can use the special track. Our existing bus lanes are more flexible and far cheaper to produce the same result. Phixer
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6:28am Wed 21 Nov 12

AdelaidePete says...

It's not the same result because the buses are off the road. The passengers are also off the road. The buses on the track can also be used just like any other bus as a conventional bus and don't cost that much more. Our track has a couple of stations along the way where commuters leave their cars. Much less congestion in the city, hundreds fewer cars at rush hours. True it does need a special track. I guess there were similar arguments against railways many years ago.
It's not the same result because the buses are off the road. The passengers are also off the road. The buses on the track can also be used just like any other bus as a conventional bus and don't cost that much more. Our track has a couple of stations along the way where commuters leave their cars. Much less congestion in the city, hundreds fewer cars at rush hours. True it does need a special track. I guess there were similar arguments against railways many years ago. AdelaidePete
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