PCC candidates: we won't be asking former Chief Constable's advice

First published in News

ALL candidates standing for the Dorset police commissioner post say they will not be seeking advice from consultancy companies which have appointed former chief constable Martin Baker as a director.

It has emerged that Mr Baker became a director of two companies, offering services to the new police and crime commissioners, just five days after leaving the force and his £141,000-a-year job.

Mr Baker, 56, officially finished his job on September 30. On October 5 he registered as a director of both One Team Policing and One Team Advisory.

Mr Baker joined One Team Policing with two former colleagues; former assistant chief constable Mike Glanville and former Bournemouth-based chief superintendent Gill Donnell who set up the company in March.

Mr Baker and Mr Glanville are the only directors of One Team Advisory which offers similar services.

Dorset police commissioner Labour candidate Rachel Rogers said: “How can you hold a force to account when you are being advised by someone who used to be employed by them? The role of the new police and crime commissioners is to be independent; if elected I would never take advice from these organisations.”

Conservative Nick King told the Daily Echo: “I wish Mr Baker well but don't think it would be appropriate to use someone who previously held a senior position within the force.

“There are a lot of firms offering consultancy services to police commissioners but, in the current financial climate, there will not be the money to pay for them.”

Independent Martyn (corr) Underhill, a former Detective Inspector with Sussex Police, said: “If I was elected I would not use these companies purely because I have knowledge of policing. But I can understand why other candidates would and why these companies have sprung up to provide expertise.”

Liberal Democrat Andy Canning said: “I'm not interested in spending taxpayers' money on private consultants who often tell you what you already know. To me it's a value for money issue.”

Gill Donnell, from One Team Policing, said: "We are delighted that Martin Baker has been able to join us. His extensive experience in police will be a real asset to us and our customers."

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1:15pm Thu 8 Nov 12

pete woodley says...

Getting dodgier every minute.
Getting dodgier every minute. pete woodley
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5:17pm Thu 8 Nov 12

muscliffman says...

pete woodley wrote:
Getting dodgier every minute.
Pete, if by dodgy you mean the existing 'establishment' ensuring that these new PCC posts are under their firm control then I am afraid you are probably correct.

A good idea to begin with, this PCC matter was not thought through and is being far too easily hijacked by the very 'institutions' and interests it was supposed to be holding to greater independant public accountability.

A great pity.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Getting dodgier every minute.[/p][/quote]Pete, if by dodgy you mean the existing 'establishment' ensuring that these new PCC posts are under their firm control then I am afraid you are probably correct. A good idea to begin with, this PCC matter was not thought through and is being far too easily hijacked by the very 'institutions' and interests it was supposed to be holding to greater independant public accountability. A great pity. muscliffman
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6:12pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Old Colonial says...

muscliffman wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Getting dodgier every minute.
Pete, if by dodgy you mean the existing 'establishment' ensuring that these new PCC posts are under their firm control then I am afraid you are probably correct.

A good idea to begin with, this PCC matter was not thought through and is being far too easily hijacked by the very 'institutions' and interests it was supposed to be holding to greater independant public accountability.

A great pity.
And so say all of us!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Getting dodgier every minute.[/p][/quote]Pete, if by dodgy you mean the existing 'establishment' ensuring that these new PCC posts are under their firm control then I am afraid you are probably correct. A good idea to begin with, this PCC matter was not thought through and is being far too easily hijacked by the very 'institutions' and interests it was supposed to be holding to greater independant public accountability. A great pity.[/p][/quote]And so say all of us! Old Colonial
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9:28am Fri 9 Nov 12

The Liberal says...

I've made up my mind: I'm going to spoil my ballot paper with a message saying that I don't agree with the concept of a police commissioner.
I've made up my mind: I'm going to spoil my ballot paper with a message saying that I don't agree with the concept of a police commissioner. The Liberal
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11:51am Sun 11 Nov 12

pete woodley says...

muscliffman wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
Getting dodgier every minute.
Pete, if by dodgy you mean the existing 'establishment' ensuring that these new PCC posts are under their firm control then I am afraid you are probably correct.

A good idea to begin with, this PCC matter was not thought through and is being far too easily hijacked by the very 'institutions' and interests it was supposed to be holding to greater independant public accountability.

A great pity.
I am glad you said "establishment,its a word i have been using for years.The establishment is not just politicians or police,its little groups like Rotary,Round Table,even the Church,and the Salvation Army.Corruption can be found everywhere,large or small,and in most cases if you try and report it it will be covered up.Police officers get retired off,not sacked,M.P'S resign,staff,get pensioned off.I was dismissed from 3 security jobs,after reporting thieving,and other criminal acts,carried out by staff !.On one occasion i was given money to keep my mouth shut,i turned this over to my solicitor,who then himself accepted a bribe.On another occasion,a fellow guard,left his position,and did a walk in robbery,i reported this to my "superiors", it was me that was dismissed,and told to say nothing.The third occasion i was on duty at Poole docks and found "goods" being left at security hut,i informed my "boss",not realising the freebies were for him,from drivers who were smuggling in other "goods".Charity shops are too rife for some "volunteers to help themselves,and do deals.I expect some stick now from some who do not like the truth,but it will not stop me speaking it.I also reported a well known TV personallity and a councill official for inviting young boys to a flat,nothing happened.So i am not at all surprised J.S got away with it,and many others.Was'nt a few million lost by the Salvation Army funds a few years ago,soon forgotten.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Getting dodgier every minute.[/p][/quote]Pete, if by dodgy you mean the existing 'establishment' ensuring that these new PCC posts are under their firm control then I am afraid you are probably correct. A good idea to begin with, this PCC matter was not thought through and is being far too easily hijacked by the very 'institutions' and interests it was supposed to be holding to greater independant public accountability. A great pity.[/p][/quote]I am glad you said "establishment,its a word i have been using for years.The establishment is not just politicians or police,its little groups like Rotary,Round Table,even the Church,and the Salvation Army.Corruption can be found everywhere,large or small,and in most cases if you try and report it it will be covered up.Police officers get retired off,not sacked,M.P'S resign,staff,get pensioned off.I was dismissed from 3 security jobs,after reporting thieving,and other criminal acts,carried out by staff !.On one occasion i was given money to keep my mouth shut,i turned this over to my solicitor,who then himself accepted a bribe.On another occasion,a fellow guard,left his position,and did a walk in robbery,i reported this to my "superiors", it was me that was dismissed,and told to say nothing.The third occasion i was on duty at Poole docks and found "goods" being left at security hut,i informed my "boss",not realising the freebies were for him,from drivers who were smuggling in other "goods".Charity shops are too rife for some "volunteers to help themselves,and do deals.I expect some stick now from some who do not like the truth,but it will not stop me speaking it.I also reported a well known TV personallity and a councill official for inviting young boys to a flat,nothing happened.So i am not at all surprised J.S got away with it,and many others.Was'nt a few million lost by the Salvation Army funds a few years ago,soon forgotten. pete woodley
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1:14pm Mon 12 Nov 12

portia6 says...

The system is full of clever people who
manipulate and climb over others.
I agree they can be found in all areas
of life and that is why so many of our
generation feel marginalised.
The system is full of clever people who manipulate and climb over others. I agree they can be found in all areas of life and that is why so many of our generation feel marginalised. portia6
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