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| Peter Phillips |
FORMER Cherries chairman Peter Phillips believes the key to a prosperous future for the club lies with achieving on-field success.
Despite much of the spotlight in recent months shining on activities at boardroom level, Phillips thinks the club's new owners should focus on results on the pitch before tackling any other issues.
He said: "Hopefully over the next few days, things will become clearer. Whatever the outcome and whoever takes the club forward, I think their first priority should be to sort out performances on the pitch.
"If we can start winning matches and entertaining supporters again, then a debt free club could really fly.
"If we don't then, as Jeff (Mostyn) and Steve (Sly) know better than anyone, we will be back here again before long."
Phillips's comments come after a consortium led by current chairman Jeff Mostyn had their bid to buy the troubled Dean Court club accepted, in principle, by the administrators last week.
Mostyn and vice chairman Sly came under fire when it emerged last month that their investment in Cherries was made as a loan, rather than in share capital.
But Phillips defended Mostyn's right to "preferential status", after administrator Gerald Krasner revealed the Cherries chairman had a "semi-exclusivity" agreement to purchase the club.
"It does not seem unreasonable to me that Jeff Mostyn should have been given preferential status since he is currently bankrolling the club," said Phillips.
"I find it hard to join the righteous indignation that Jeff's money went into the club as loans rather than shares.
"The fact is that he and Steve have spent the best part of £1million in the past 18 months helping to keep the club afloat and however it may be shown in the balance sheet, they have lost their money."
Phillips, who described himself as one of the club's "substantial" creditors, vowed to re-invest his money in the club's youth set-up should he receive any repayment.
He said: "Lower league football in England is fundamentally unprofitable.
"Most football club directors put their hands in their pockets from time to time to help pay the wages or fend off an aggressive creditor.
"AFCB is no different, except that we have had no single wealthy benefactor and so the burden of subsidising Cherries fans' Saturday afternoon entertainment has fallen on a long list of people over the past 10 years and long before.
"I can't speak for other directors, but I think most would agree that we did it with our eyes open to keep the club alive and, although it is nice to dream of lucrative cup runs, by and large we accepted that we might never see the money again.
"For my own part, I have long ago written it off in my mind and if I do get any part of my money back I will put it all back into youth development."
Phillips added: "It is difficult to comment any further on the proposals for taking the club out of administration as we have so little information, either on the terms or the intentions of the consortium."
7:00am Tuesday 18th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: this all stinks, up north on 8:50am Tue 18 Mar 08
Mr. Phillips you are correct about the loaning of money but the point you seem to miss out is the fact that Mostyn and Sly told the Trust that they were going to INVEST £750.000 not lend. Thus they told a big lie and cannot be trusted. No accounts is also clever but again it smells of deceit. How can people like this be in charge of OUR club ? Their new recruits Jackson and Green also appear to be dodgy to say the least. Jackson left his emplers last week, he was a salesman for Copyrite , in other words a photocopier expert with world class sales . ha ha Get rid of all this crap Peter before its too late.
Did Mostyn / Sly set all this up with no consideration for the paying public or the creditors ? i think yes and they have no idea of how to take this once great club forward. Look at the gate on Saturday 4,000 missing fans , why ?
Mr. Phillips you are correct about the loaning of money but the point you seem to miss out is the fact that Mostyn and Sly told the Trust that they were going to INVEST £750.000 not lend. Thus they told a big lie and cannot be trusted. No accounts is also clever but again it smells of deceit. How can people like this be in charge of OUR club ? Their new recruits Jackson and Green also appear to be dodgy to say the least. Jackson left his emplers last week, he was a salesman for Copyrite , in other words a photocopier expert with world class sales . ha ha Get rid of all this crap Peter before its too late.
Did Mostyn / Sly set all this up with no consideration for the paying public or the creditors ? i think yes and they have no idea of how to take this once great club forward. Look at the gate on Saturday 4,000 missing fans , why ?
Posted by: dragonm8, New Zealand on 9:04am Tue 18 Mar 08
"...and so the burden of subsidising Cherries fans' Saturday afternoon entertainment has fallen on a long list of people over the past 10 years and long before"
That really sums you up doesn't it Phillips, a pathetic individual who feels the need to blame the fans for his own (and others) misgivings.
"...and so the burden of subsidising Cherries fans' Saturday afternoon entertainment has fallen on a long list of people over the past 10 years and long before"
That really sums you up doesn't it Phillips, a pathetic individual who feels the need to blame the fans for his own (and others) misgivings.
Posted by: Bimht, sherborne on 9:07am Tue 18 Mar 08
...do we have to take heed of the wise words of a former Chairman who sold the club's biggest asset?...no thought not!...what PP/JM/ & SS don't seem to understand is that they have between them wrecked this club and driven many fans away who may not dig into their pockets and return in the future...AFCB has been riddled with mistrust and corrupt dealings for over 15 years now...and all we have achieved is ripping off sympathtic creditors,lost more money,lost our stadium,sold our best players for peanuts and now we are going down....not great on the old CV is it?
...do we have to take heed of the wise words of a former Chairman who sold the club's biggest asset?...no thought not!...what PP/JM/ & SS don't seem to understand is that they have between them wrecked this club and driven many fans away who may not dig into their pockets and return in the future...AFCB has been riddled with mistrust and corrupt dealings for over 15 years now...and all we have achieved is ripping off sympathtic creditors,lost more money,lost our stadium,sold our best players for peanuts and now we are going down....not great on the old CV is it?
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 9:34am Tue 18 Mar 08
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 9:34am Tue 18 Mar 08
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 9:34am Tue 18 Mar 08
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 9:39am Tue 18 Mar 08
WOW, THIS MAN IS AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS!
READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH!
I SEE THE NOBEL PRIZE AT LEAST!
I MEAN TO REALIZE THAT A WINNING TEAM WILL ATTRACT PAYING CUSTOMERS IS NOTHING SHORT OF MIND BOGGLING!
HOW COULD SUCH A SMALL CLUB LIKE B'MOUTH ATTRACT SUCH A MENTAL GIANT?
WOW, THIS MAN IS AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS!
READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH!
I SEE THE NOBEL PRIZE AT LEAST!
I MEAN TO REALIZE THAT A WINNING TEAM WILL ATTRACT PAYING CUSTOMERS IS NOTHING SHORT OF MIND BOGGLING!
HOW COULD SUCH A SMALL CLUB LIKE B'MOUTH ATTRACT SUCH A MENTAL GIANT?
Posted by: Richard Mayes, Bournemouth on 9:43am Tue 18 Mar 08
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who [bold]bold[/bold] wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.
Posted by: Webby, Bournemouth on 9:52am Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Richard Mayes[/bold] wrote:
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who [bold]bold[/bold] wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.[/quote] Absolutely agree 100%. The best and most factually correct post on here for months!
Richard Mayes wrote:
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.
Absolutely agree 100%. The best and most factually correct post on here for months!
Posted by: Anastasis, Bournemouth on 9:54am Tue 18 Mar 08
Well said Richard Mayes.
Posted by: CJR, Fleet on 10:00am Tue 18 Mar 08
It amazes me that so many supporters expect a benefactor just to cough up money for their Saturday enjoyment. Basic economics over 20 years have shown that playing in the lower leagues is a good way to give money away. Managers are supported to get a player that is on wages that more than flatter thier ability. Even the premiership has plenty of those now! Get real people Clubs like AFCB, and all those that have gone into administration and I expect there will be more before next season have to cut the cloth accordingly. Don't and we see the results. I've enjoyed over thirty years watching AFCB and felt the pain for my home town team. But reading and listening to supporters who think they now better than all those investors makes we wonder why any Walker,Cohen,Phillip
s,Wadkins,Mostyn bother. All they ever get is crap thrown at them by individuals who take any piece of gossip as fact. It's surprises me that most of the clubs who end up like this owe the taxman plenty and are surprised when they want it. Football is a money pit at the lower level and we need to realise that. But who cares! Season tickets can complain about anything.
It amazes me that so many supporters expect a benefactor just to cough up money for their Saturday enjoyment. Basic economics over 20 years have shown that playing in the lower leagues is a good way to give money away. Managers are supported to get a player that is on wages that more than flatter thier ability. Even the premiership has plenty of those now! Get real people Clubs like AFCB, and all those that have gone into administration and I expect there will be more before next season have to cut the cloth accordingly. Don't and we see the results. I've enjoyed over thirty years watching AFCB and felt the pain for my home town team. But reading and listening to supporters who think they now better than all those investors makes we wonder why any Walker,Cohen,Phillip
s,Wadkins,Mostyn bother. All they ever get is crap thrown at them by individuals who take any piece of gossip as fact. It's surprises me that most of the clubs who end up like this owe the taxman plenty and are surprised when they want it. Football is a money pit at the lower level and we need to realise that. But who cares! Season tickets can complain about anything.
Posted by: jtdorset81, Bournemouth on 10:02am Tue 18 Mar 08
All this Stinks, Dragonm8, how about go to the doctors and get something for your agression? Am I the only one that is happy my club has not got bust?? You guys defy belief! And to be honest if I was Jeff, I'd this you lot on heren and keep my money in my pocket! Don't forget it was the ONLY bid! If was that or die!!!! What do you want? Get over it quick! This is becoming a ranting site, not a comment site! And it's not even about onfield matters! Good Morning
All this Stinks, Dragonm8, how about go to the doctors and get something for your agression? Am I the only one that is happy my club has not got bust?? You guys defy belief! And to be honest if I was Jeff, I'd this you lot on heren and keep my money in my pocket! Don't forget it was the ONLY bid! If was that or die!!!! What do you want? Get over it quick! This is becoming a ranting site, not a comment site! And it's not even about onfield matters! Good Morning
Posted by: NewForestPhil, New Forest on 10:18am Tue 18 Mar 08
Agree with Richard Mayes and CJR.
This is a loss making business - we were told before S&L that gates of about 6,000 were required to come close to breakeven - just who do some of you think has funded the shortfalls.
I really did hope that alternatives to M&S would emerge - but they haven't - so lets at least support what we have and hope they succeed in managing to turn it around.
Agree with Richard Mayes and CJR.
This is a loss making business - we were told before S&L that gates of about 6,000 were required to come close to breakeven - just who do some of you think has funded the shortfalls.
I really did hope that alternatives to M&S would emerge - but they haven't - so lets at least support what we have and hope they succeed in managing to turn it around.
Posted by: alasdair, windsor/kosovo on 10:26am Tue 18 Mar 08
"on field success" !! the fact of the matter is simple we have been rubbish this season even without the 10 point deduction we would still be in the relagation zone ,ok with a more realistic chance of survival ,however the players in my opinion have been misguided and have not been gelled as a team by the manager any other club he would have been shown the door pre christmas ,but no he is still at the helm
"on field success" !! the fact of the matter is simple we have been rubbish this season even without the 10 point deduction we would still be in the relagation zone ,ok with a more realistic chance of survival ,however the players in my opinion have been misguided and have not been gelled as a team by the manager any other club he would have been shown the door pre christmas ,but no he is still at the helm
Posted by: Bimht, sherborne on 10:26am Tue 18 Mar 08
...that's sorted then let's just pack up and keep our gobs shut then!...just pay yer money to watch a L2 side whatever the results and forget about boardroom takeovers and the like..no is expecting someone to bankroll a football club...but perhaps what people are expecting is some honesty and faith..after all fans do count as they contribute a large chunk of capital to the it's finances..fans do actually PAY for the priviledge of watching some of this rubbish that Bond has served up...
...that's sorted then let's just pack up and keep our gobs shut then!...just pay yer money to watch a L2 side whatever the results and forget about boardroom takeovers and the like..no is expecting someone to bankroll a football club...but perhaps what people are expecting is some honesty and faith..after all fans do count as they contribute a large chunk of capital to the it's finances..fans do actually PAY for the priviledge of watching some of this rubbish that Bond has served up...
Posted by: Noel, Bournemouth on 10:28am Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Webby[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Richard Mayes[/bold] wrote:
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who [bold]bold[/bold] wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.[/quote] Absolutely agree 100%. The best and most factually correct post on here for months![/quote] Much of what is said is true .
However M&S did say they were going to invest £750k to buy shares, if on further investigation it was shown that making this a loan was a better business plan that should have been said publicly at the time. The fact it came out as a web site posting makes it look bad, and was a PR disaster. As is the attitude of M&S in making comments along the lines of 'how dare you plebs question us'.
M&S and Krasner have not handled the PR side of the last year well. As I said previously people seem to be hell-bent on making what may well be quite innocent business moves look dodgey by a lack of open communication and confrontational attitude
There are many questions to be asked of chairmen and directors over the past 10 years. There may be genuine errors and bad luck, there probably was also a lot of stupidity and bad judgement, but the continuing wall of silence makes there look like there is something to hide, which contributes to the mistrust of anyone involved by we fans.
Webby wrote:
Richard Mayes wrote:
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.
Absolutely agree 100%. The best and most factually correct post on here for months!
Much of what is said is true .
However M&S did say they were going to invest £750k to buy shares, if on further investigation it was shown that making this a loan was a better business plan that should have been said publicly at the time. The fact it came out as a web site posting makes it look bad, and was a PR disaster. As is the attitude of M&S in making comments along the lines of 'how dare you plebs question us'.
M&S and Krasner have not handled the PR side of the last year well. As I said previously people seem to be hell-bent on making what may well be quite innocent business moves look dodgey by a lack of open communication and confrontational attitude
There are many questions to be asked of chairmen and directors over the past 10 years. There may be genuine errors and bad luck, there probably was also a lot of stupidity and bad judgement, but the continuing wall of silence makes there look like there is something to hide, which contributes to the mistrust of anyone involved by we fans.
Posted by: alasdair, windsor/kosovo on 10:29am Tue 18 Mar 08
sat gate is an indication of things to come little over 4000 attended for what is normally a high gate match it is viewed as one of our derby matches intresting to see what gates we get next season
sat gate is an indication of things to come little over 4000 attended for what is normally a high gate match it is viewed as one of our derby matches intresting to see what gates we get next season
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 10:31am Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]this all stinks[/bold] wrote:
Mr. Phillips you are correct about the loaning of money but the point you seem to miss out is the fact that Mostyn and Sly told the Trust that they were going to INVEST £750.000 not lend. Thus they told a big lie and cannot be trusted. No accounts is also clever but again it smells of deceit. How can people like this be in charge of OUR club ? Their new recruits Jackson and Green also appear to be dodgy to say the least. Jackson left his emplers last week, he was a salesman for Copyrite , in other words a photocopier expert with world class sales . ha ha Get rid of all this crap Peter before its too late.
Did Mostyn / Sly set all this up with no consideration for the paying public or the creditors ? i think yes and they have no idea of how to take this once great club forward. Look at the gate on Saturday 4,000 missing fans , why ?[/quote] I don't know what you are up to but you have appeared on here since the administration and you are determined to bring anyone currently or previously associated with the club down. You appear to have information that no one else is privy to and you are calling for all the share holders to say no to the CVA, this does not come across as just a normal cherries fan, so what are you up to? I have my doubts about you, I don't believe you are looking at the club from a fans point of view, I don't recall you saying anything that would inspire fans only those that would possibly have a vote in the CVA, so please what is it you really want and why should we trust this mystery man who has done nothing and is only talked about by yourself?
this all stinks wrote:
Mr. Phillips you are correct about the loaning of money but the point you seem to miss out is the fact that Mostyn and Sly told the Trust that they were going to INVEST £750.000 not lend. Thus they told a big lie and cannot be trusted. No accounts is also clever but again it smells of deceit. How can people like this be in charge of OUR club ? Their new recruits Jackson and Green also appear to be dodgy to say the least. Jackson left his emplers last week, he was a salesman for Copyrite , in other words a photocopier expert with world class sales . ha ha Get rid of all this crap Peter before its too late.
Did Mostyn / Sly set all this up with no consideration for the paying public or the creditors ? i think yes and they have no idea of how to take this once great club forward. Look at the gate on Saturday 4,000 missing fans , why ?
I don't know what you are up to but you have appeared on here since the administration and you are determined to bring anyone currently or previously associated with the club down. You appear to have information that no one else is privy to and you are calling for all the share holders to say no to the CVA, this does not come across as just a normal cherries fan, so what are you up to? I have my doubts about you, I don't believe you are looking at the club from a fans point of view, I don't recall you saying anything that would inspire fans only those that would possibly have a vote in the CVA, so please what is it you really want and why should we trust this mystery man who has done nothing and is only talked about by yourself?
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 10:33am Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Webby[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Richard Mayes[/bold] wrote:
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who [bold]bold[/bold] wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.[/quote] Absolutely agree 100%. The best and most factually correct post on here for months![/quote] I think you will find some of us have been saying the same thing for months!!!
Webby wrote:
Richard Mayes wrote:
It would be rather nice to have an objective view, just for once, based on fact not fiction Mostyn & Sly did not wreck the Club, they came in to help, those bringing them in promptly jumped ship, leaving them with a bankrupt Club in a mess, they promised to put in half a million ( and made it clear at the time that they had limited finance available). They sold one player Hayter( who wanted out) and backed a Manager that they didn't appoint,. their mistake was probably to promise him a new contract if he kept them up, which McGoldrick did. They kept the Club afloat with another £500,000, financed the Administrator to keep the Club from folding and to give it a chance of survival. I imagine that their intention to put the original £500,000 into shares was made before the extent of the mess became apparent. It took months of hard work to put their accounts in order and to discover the true financial state of the Club. If you go back to the time that they came in the plan was to use revenue from the commercial activities to boost the playing side. They then discovered that all had been sold off. They are guilty of being naive and trusting those who brought them in, but of little else. Without them we would have been at best in Administration last year, for them that may have been the best thing. There should be an investigation as to what went on for the 7/8 years prior to their taking control.
Absolutely agree 100%. The best and most factually correct post on here for months!
I think you will find some of us have been saying the same thing for months!!!
Posted by: andysith, dorset on 10:57am Tue 18 Mar 08
how strange that the man who while in charge said the only way to prosper is through off-field activities is now saying the complete opposite.
how strange that the man who while in charge said the only way to prosper is through off-field activities is now saying the complete opposite.
Posted by: Richard, Bournemouth on 11:02am Tue 18 Mar 08
'The prat in the hat' strikes again.
'The prat in the hat' strikes again.
Posted by: john coombes, Tiverton on 11:52am Tue 18 Mar 08
although I ahve not always agreed with Peter Phillips, I do acknowledge the common sense he has written, and to stete he is willing to invest any payment to creditors to the youth development is a nice gesture, to all those who firmly beleive there is a mystery millionaire I would say provide the evidence or shut up, you either back the club or there will be no club
although I ahve not always agreed with Peter Phillips, I do acknowledge the common sense he has written, and to stete he is willing to invest any payment to creditors to the youth development is a nice gesture, to all those who firmly beleive there is a mystery millionaire I would say provide the evidence or shut up, you either back the club or there will be no club
Posted by: Mike W, Hants on 11:53am Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
WOW, THIS MAN IS AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS! READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH! I SEE THE NOBEL PRIZE AT LEAST! I MEAN TO REALIZE THAT A WINNING TEAM WILL ATTRACT PAYING CUSTOMERS IS NOTHING SHORT OF MIND BOGGLING! HOW COULD SUCH A SMALL CLUB LIKE B'MOUTH ATTRACT SUCH A MENTAL GIANT? [/quote] I was wondering if Mr Phillips was available as a consulltant for hire?I could really do with someone in my business with the depth of understanding he can bring.
It never occured to anyone else that winning matches would equal selling more tickets would equal more revenue! What an astonishing insight into the mind world of a big wheel in the business world. Truly a genius. Hey everyone keep this quiet before other teams catch on.
laurie marsh wrote:
WOW, THIS MAN IS AN ABSOLUTE GENIUS! READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH! I SEE THE NOBEL PRIZE AT LEAST! I MEAN TO REALIZE THAT A WINNING TEAM WILL ATTRACT PAYING CUSTOMERS IS NOTHING SHORT OF MIND BOGGLING! HOW COULD SUCH A SMALL CLUB LIKE B'MOUTH ATTRACT SUCH A MENTAL GIANT?
I was wondering if Mr Phillips was available as a consulltant for hire?I could really do with someone in my business with the depth of understanding he can bring.
It never occured to anyone else that winning matches would equal selling more tickets would equal more revenue! What an astonishing insight into the mind world of a big wheel in the business world. Truly a genius. Hey everyone keep this quiet before other teams catch on.
Posted by: SBATTS43, WINCHESTER on 11:56am Tue 18 Mar 08
When Is this CVA meeting taking place and can anyone attend?
When Is this CVA meeting taking place and can anyone attend?
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 12:03pm Tue 18 Mar 08
7th of April and only creditors can attend, this includes season ticket holders.
7th of April and only creditors can attend, this includes season ticket holders.
Posted by: BobG, Bournemouth on 12:09pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]alasdair[/bold] wrote:
sat gate is an indication of things to come little over 4000 attended for what is normally a high gate match it is viewed as one of our derby matches intresting to see what gates we get next season [/quote] The gate on Saturday is idicative to me that a large number of people that used to go to games have finally lost patience with a very badly run club. I believe that there will be less than 1200 season ticket holders next year and gates will be around 3000 at the start of the season. Hope Messrs Mostyn and his grew have deep pockets or are able to get around 500k for Vokes otherwise i can see another administration looming before the end of next season. After 50 years i have given up on this shambles whoever is in charge. Just cant be bothered anymore.
alasdair wrote:
sat gate is an indication of things to come little over 4000 attended for what is normally a high gate match it is viewed as one of our derby matches intresting to see what gates we get next season
The gate on Saturday is idicative to me that a large number of people that used to go to games have finally lost patience with a very badly run club. I believe that there will be less than 1200 season ticket holders next year and gates will be around 3000 at the start of the season. Hope Messrs Mostyn and his grew have deep pockets or are able to get around 500k for Vokes otherwise i can see another administration looming before the end of next season. After 50 years i have given up on this shambles whoever is in charge. Just cant be bothered anymore.
Posted by: Chubbs, Bmth on 1:18pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??[/quote] Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??!
FletcherTheCat wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??!
Posted by: this all stinks, up north on 1:59pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[bold]bold[/bold] LYMOCHERRY[bold]bold[/bold] in reply to your doubts may i state the following. Yes i have only appeared since the Administration, thats because i really care about this sad debacle that is happening to our club. I always thought that something smelled fishy when Mostyn and Sly took over and did not tell us the fans what was going on.
I know no more that i read and hear but its plain to see what Mostyn / Sly are up too and of course Krasner looks after the piper ?
There maybe others out there willing to save us but they can`t because of the way Mostyn set things up. His credability is zero and he should walk away leaving the gate open for others. If no others appear then lets see his money , i believe he does not have any or very little. Look at his new found friends , a photo copy salesman and i IT salesman , big deal or is it here we go again. Would Mostyn go if someone gave him £750 k , you bet.
We need him to go and take his Barron hardups with him , lets ask him to take the EXCLUSIVITY agreement off , will he ?
LYMOCHERRY in reply to your doubts may i state the following. Yes i have only appeared since the Administration, thats because i really care about this sad debacle that is happening to our club. I always thought that something smelled fishy when Mostyn and Sly took over and did not tell us the fans what was going on.
I know no more that i read and hear but its plain to see what Mostyn / Sly are up too and of course Krasner looks after the piper ?
There maybe others out there willing to save us but they can`t because of the way Mostyn set things up. His credability is zero and he should walk away leaving the gate open for others. If no others appear then lets see his money , i believe he does not have any or very little. Look at his new found friends , a photo copy salesman and i IT salesman , big deal or is it here we go again. Would Mostyn go if someone gave him £750 k , you bet.
We need him to go and take his Barron hardups with him , lets ask him to take the EXCLUSIVITY agreement off , will he ?
Posted by: kevvo, The dog house again on 2:38pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Chubbs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote: While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??[/quote] Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??![/quote] Did it then
Chubbs wrote:
FletcherTheCat wrote: While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??!
Did it then
Posted by: kevvo, The dog house again on 2:42pm Tue 18 Mar 08
If success on the Field is the answer and I believe it is part of the answer because we may get more People back then the obvious thing to do is hold on to Vokes at all costs get in a Manager who can get the best out of the Team and hope for a bit of luck. If Mostyn makes sure that happens I for one would be only to pleased to eat my words Over to you Jeff
If success on the Field is the answer and I believe it is part of the answer because we may get more People back then the obvious thing to do is hold on to Vokes at all costs get in a Manager who can get the best out of the Team and hope for a bit of luck. If Mostyn makes sure that happens I for one would be only to pleased to eat my words Over to you Jeff
Posted by: ross, christchurch on 3:01pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]this all stinks[/bold] wrote:
[bold]bold[/bold] LYMOCHERRY[bold]bold[/bold] in reply to your doubts may i state the following. Yes i have only appeared since the Administration, thats because i really care about this sad debacle that is happening to our club. I always thought that something smelled fishy when Mostyn and Sly took over and did not tell us the fans what was going on. I know no more that i read and hear but its plain to see what Mostyn / Sly are up too and of course Krasner looks after the piper ? There maybe others out there willing to save us but they can`t because of the way Mostyn set things up. His credability is zero and he should walk away leaving the gate open for others. If no others appear then lets see his money , i believe he does not have any or very little. Look at his new found friends , a photo copy salesman and i IT salesman , big deal or is it here we go again. Would Mostyn go if someone gave him £750 k , you bet. We need him to go and take his Barron hardups with him , lets ask him to take the EXCLUSIVITY agreement off , will he ?[/quote] i think he has already shown his money. the seven figure sum is in the admins account. wether you like him or not he has kept the club going whilst all these mystery buyers have not shown up. i dont like the idea of my club being wound up because people like to play russian roulette with it.
this all stinks wrote:
LYMOCHERRY in reply to your doubts may i state the following. Yes i have only appeared since the Administration, thats because i really care about this sad debacle that is happening to our club. I always thought that something smelled fishy when Mostyn and Sly took over and did not tell us the fans what was going on. I know no more that i read and hear but its plain to see what Mostyn / Sly are up too and of course Krasner looks after the piper ? There maybe others out there willing to save us but they can`t because of the way Mostyn set things up. His credability is zero and he should walk away leaving the gate open for others. If no others appear then lets see his money , i believe he does not have any or very little. Look at his new found friends , a photo copy salesman and i IT salesman , big deal or is it here we go again. Would Mostyn go if someone gave him £750 k , you bet. We need him to go and take his Barron hardups with him , lets ask him to take the EXCLUSIVITY agreement off , will he ?
i think he has already shown his money. the seven figure sum is in the admins account. wether you like him or not he has kept the club going whilst all these mystery buyers have not shown up. i dont like the idea of my club being wound up because people like to play russian roulette with it.
Posted by: Tel3977, Poole on 3:05pm Tue 18 Mar 08
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 3:41pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]this all stinks[/bold] wrote:
[bold]bold[/bold] LYMOCHERRY[bold]bold[/bold] in reply to your doubts may i state the following. Yes i have only appeared since the Administration, thats because i really care about this sad debacle that is happening to our club. I always thought that something smelled fishy when Mostyn and Sly took over and did not tell us the fans what was going on.
I know no more that i read and hear but its plain to see what Mostyn / Sly are up too and of course Krasner looks after the piper ?
There maybe others out there willing to save us but they can`t because of the way Mostyn set things up. His credability is zero and he should walk away leaving the gate open for others. If no others appear then lets see his money , i believe he does not have any or very little. Look at his new found friends , a photo copy salesman and i IT salesman , big deal or is it here we go again. Would Mostyn go if someone gave him £750 k , you bet.
We need him to go and take his Barron hardups with him , lets ask him to take the EXCLUSIVITY agreement off , will he ?[/quote] So you don't have any hard proof of this other investor other than from what we have all heard, so on that alone you are happy to risk the future of the club and I mean it's survival, that's not really much for anyone to go on is it?
this all stinks wrote:
LYMOCHERRY in reply to your doubts may i state the following. Yes i have only appeared since the Administration, thats because i really care about this sad debacle that is happening to our club. I always thought that something smelled fishy when Mostyn and Sly took over and did not tell us the fans what was going on.
I know no more that i read and hear but its plain to see what Mostyn / Sly are up too and of course Krasner looks after the piper ?
There maybe others out there willing to save us but they can`t because of the way Mostyn set things up. His credability is zero and he should walk away leaving the gate open for others. If no others appear then lets see his money , i believe he does not have any or very little. Look at his new found friends , a photo copy salesman and i IT salesman , big deal or is it here we go again. Would Mostyn go if someone gave him £750 k , you bet.
We need him to go and take his Barron hardups with him , lets ask him to take the EXCLUSIVITY agreement off , will he ?
So you don't have any hard proof of this other investor other than from what we have all heard, so on that alone you are happy to risk the future of the club and I mean it's survival, that's not really much for anyone to go on is it?
Posted by: fergie1, Wallisdown on 3:49pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tel3977[/bold] wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off [/quote] Who are you to tell me what to think? If you want to stick your tongue up Mostyns backside be my guest but just because you think Im a moaning idiot I wont be joining you. Mostyn & Sly will be bad for AFCB, just like the previous crooks. All Ive got to go on is the way this club has been run for the past 25 years and Ive lost patience with people who lie/cheat/steal/dece
ive to get their own way as Mostyn and Sly have done and regardless of what anyone else says I dont want them.
Tel3977 wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
Who are you to tell me what to think? If you want to stick your tongue up Mostyns backside be my guest but just because you think Im a moaning idiot I wont be joining you. Mostyn & Sly will be bad for AFCB, just like the previous crooks. All Ive got to go on is the way this club has been run for the past 25 years and Ive lost patience with people who lie/cheat/steal/dece
ive to get their own way as Mostyn and Sly have done and regardless of what anyone else says I dont want them.
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 3:50pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Chubbs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??[/quote] Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??![/quote] The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments.
Where did the money actually go?
Chubbs wrote:
FletcherTheCat wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??!
The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments.
Where did the money actually go?
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 3:50pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Chubbs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??[/quote] Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??![/quote] The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments.
Where did the money actually go?
Chubbs wrote:
FletcherTheCat wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??!
The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments.
Where did the money actually go?
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 3:50pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Chubbs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??[/quote] Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??![/quote] The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments.
Where did the money actually go?
Chubbs wrote:
FletcherTheCat wrote:
While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??!
The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments.
Where did the money actually go?
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 3:51pm Tue 18 Mar 08
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Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 3:51pm Tue 18 Mar 08
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Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 3:51pm Tue 18 Mar 08
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Posted by: fergie1, Wallisdown on 3:52pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tel3977[/bold] wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off [/quote] That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.
Tel3977 wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.
Posted by: fergie1, Wallisdown on 4:14pm Tue 18 Mar 08
The reaon that 'moaning idiots' like me have had enough is because all weve seen over the last 25 years is this club lurch from one crisis to another because so-called buisnesmen have acted ineptly, corruptly and naively and then when it all goes wrong they expect the loyal fans to bail them out by telling them how bright the future will be as Peter Phillips is doing here, Ive had enough and cant take any more, I dont beileve any of them. The same people that are telling me Im a moaning idiot are the same people that failed to question everyone that has been involved in this for the past 25 years hence the position we yet again find ourselves in.Mostyn and Sly arrived at the club and said they would turn the club around by running it 'as a buisness.' If they had done that and failed it wouldnt be so bad but all they did was run the club down for their own benefit with one eye on Admin from the start and even had the nerve to make false statements to the supporters trust and claim they were buying shares when in fact it was a loan. Tooday im expected to beileve they only realised the catering had been sold-off after they became involved which, for 'experienced' buisnesmen is ludicrous to beileve could happen and if it did happen that way it shows just how incompetent they are.They engineered a situation whereby nobody in their right mind would get involved in either bidding or joining them. Mostyn appointed an administrator who the very next day went public and unethically stated how Mostyn had saved the club single handedly over the last year, which, in the absence of accounts is impossible to prove. Also, during that year no creditors were paid hence the current position which leaves the question of matchday receipts. If nobody was being paid where has that money gone? I keep hearing how the club is 'losing' 30grand a week but if you are paying nobody with a view to admin its impossible to be losing money because anything that comes in goes in your pocket because youre not paying anyone. I suspect this is what Mostyn has done, the figures and details forever lost in the admin puzzle, thus rendering his 'financial support' meaningless. They have been unethical, innapropriate and fabricated facts and statements to suit themselves. The reason people are fed up with them is not because of results or Kevin Bond(although that doesnt help), they are fed up because they can see the club stuck with exactly the same problem theyve had for 25 years...mismanagemen
t, ego and greed. The saddest part of all this is it was a fantastic oppurtunity for AFCB to move forward and put the past behind them but as only could happen at AFCB we couldnt even do that right. I'm voting against the CVA is because even if the club went bust we'd start again on crowds of 1000 on a sunday morning at Duck Lane and rise through the leagues and be better off for it by cleansing the club of the pigs with their snouts in the trough. If that makes me a 'moaning idiot' then so-be-it, at least I can sleep easy in my bed knowing that I for one will make a stand and do what I beileve to be right for the future of the club and not be bullied into voting a certain way because people with an agenda are telling me Im risking the future of the club.
The reaon that 'moaning idiots' like me have had enough is because all weve seen over the last 25 years is this club lurch from one crisis to another because so-called buisnesmen have acted ineptly, corruptly and naively and then when it all goes wrong they expect the loyal fans to bail them out by telling them how bright the future will be as Peter Phillips is doing here, Ive had enough and cant take any more, I dont beileve any of them. The same people that are telling me Im a moaning idiot are the same people that failed to question everyone that has been involved in this for the past 25 years hence the position we yet again find ourselves in.Mostyn and Sly arrived at the club and said they would turn the club around by running it 'as a buisness.' If they had done that and failed it wouldnt be so bad but all they did was run the club down for their own benefit with one eye on Admin from the start and even had the nerve to make false statements to the supporters trust and claim they were buying shares when in fact it was a loan. Tooday im expected to beileve they only realised the catering had been sold-off after they became involved which, for 'experienced' buisnesmen is ludicrous to beileve could happen and if it did happen that way it shows just how incompetent they are.They engineered a situation whereby nobody in their right mind would get involved in either bidding or joining them. Mostyn appointed an administrator who the very next day went public and unethically stated how Mostyn had saved the club single handedly over the last year, which, in the absence of accounts is impossible to prove. Also, during that year no creditors were paid hence the current position which leaves the question of matchday receipts. If nobody was being paid where has that money gone? I keep hearing how the club is 'losing' 30grand a week but if you are paying nobody with a view to admin its impossible to be losing money because anything that comes in goes in your pocket because youre not paying anyone. I suspect this is what Mostyn has done, the figures and details forever lost in the admin puzzle, thus rendering his 'financial support' meaningless. They have been unethical, innapropriate and fabricated facts and statements to suit themselves. The reason people are fed up with them is not because of results or Kevin Bond(although that doesnt help), they are fed up because they can see the club stuck with exactly the same problem theyve had for 25 years...mismanagemen
t, ego and greed. The saddest part of all this is it was a fantastic oppurtunity for AFCB to move forward and put the past behind them but as only could happen at AFCB we couldnt even do that right. I'm voting against the CVA is because even if the club went bust we'd start again on crowds of 1000 on a sunday morning at Duck Lane and rise through the leagues and be better off for it by cleansing the club of the pigs with their snouts in the trough. If that makes me a 'moaning idiot' then so-be-it, at least I can sleep easy in my bed knowing that I for one will make a stand and do what I beileve to be right for the future of the club and not be bullied into voting a certain way because people with an agenda are telling me Im risking the future of the club.
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 4:14pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fergie1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tel3977[/bold] wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off [/quote] Who are you to tell me what to think? If you want to stick your tongue up Mostyns backside be my guest but just because you think Im a moaning idiot I wont be joining you. Mostyn & Sly will be bad for AFCB, just like the previous crooks. All Ive got to go on is the way this club has been run for the past 25 years and Ive lost patience with people who lie/cheat/steal/dece
ive to get their own way as Mostyn and Sly have done and regardless of what anyone else says I dont want them.[/quote] So who do you expect to take the debt written club over then? the mystery man hiding in the shadows waiting for the club to go under, that's hardly a trustworthy way of taking over the club is it?
fergie1 wrote:
Tel3977 wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
Who are you to tell me what to think? If you want to stick your tongue up Mostyns backside be my guest but just because you think Im a moaning idiot I wont be joining you. Mostyn & Sly will be bad for AFCB, just like the previous crooks. All Ive got to go on is the way this club has been run for the past 25 years and Ive lost patience with people who lie/cheat/steal/dece
ive to get their own way as Mostyn and Sly have done and regardless of what anyone else says I dont want them.
So who do you expect to take the debt written club over then? the mystery man hiding in the shadows waiting for the club to go under, that's hardly a trustworthy way of taking over the club is it?
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 4:16pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fergie1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tel3977[/bold] wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off [/quote] That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.[/quote] And you speak the truth do you fergie? what s surprise you have turned to name calling yet again rather than having a debate on the subject, what makes you any better than anyone else on here, none of what you say is based on anymore facts than anyone else, people have different view points get used to it, I respect that why don't you try and do the same.
fergie1 wrote:
Tel3977 wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.
And you speak the truth do you fergie? what s surprise you have turned to name calling yet again rather than having a debate on the subject, what makes you any better than anyone else on here, none of what you say is based on anymore facts than anyone else, people have different view points get used to it, I respect that why don't you try and do the same.
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 4:18pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fergie1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tel3977[/bold] wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off [/quote] That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.[/quote] And you speak the truth do you fergie? what s surprise you have turned to name calling yet again rather than having a debate on the subject, what makes you any better than anyone else on here, none of what you say is based on anymore facts than anyone else, people have different view points get used to it, I respect that why don't you try and do the same.
fergie1 wrote:
Tel3977 wrote:
Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.
And you speak the truth do you fergie? what s surprise you have turned to name calling yet again rather than having a debate on the subject, what makes you any better than anyone else on here, none of what you say is based on anymore facts than anyone else, people have different view points get used to it, I respect that why don't you try and do the same.
Posted by: fergie1, Wallisdown on 4:20pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]lymocherry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]fergie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Tel3977[/bold] wrote: Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off [/quote] That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.[/quote] And you speak the truth do you fergie? what s surprise you have turned to name calling yet again rather than having a debate on the subject, what makes you any better than anyone else on here, none of what you say is based on anymore facts than anyone else, people have different view points get used to it, I respect that why don't you try and do the same.[/quote] Anyone who posts reguarly on here knows the situation.
lymocherry wrote:
fergie1 wrote: Tel3977 wrote: Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off
That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.
And you speak the truth do you fergie? what s surprise you have turned to name calling yet again rather than having a debate on the subject, what makes you any better than anyone else on here, none of what you say is based on anymore facts than anyone else, people have different view points get used to it, I respect that why don't you try and do the same.
Anyone who posts reguarly on here knows the situation.
Posted by: Chubbs, Bmth on 4:23pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Chubbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote: While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??[/quote] Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??![/quote] The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments. Where did the money actually go?[/quote] and i would understand that to mean repayments of the debt that was outstanding at the time. that doesnt mean that we still cant build up further dept to inland revenue in the time between the s&l and now.
FletcherTheCat wrote:
Chubbs wrote: FletcherTheCat wrote: While you're asking him questions, didn't you think to get him to explain where the S&L money went??
Has it ever crossed your mind that the money was used to pay the taxman off but yet the debt has built back up??!
The club agreed a repayment schedule with the taxman, but didn't make the payments. Where did the money actually go?
and i would understand that to mean repayments of the debt that was outstanding at the time. that doesnt mean that we still cant build up further dept to inland revenue in the time between the s&l and now.
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 4:26pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fergie1[/bold] wrote:
The reaon that 'moaning idiots' like me have had enough is because all weve seen over the last 25 years is this club lurch from one crisis to another because so-called buisnesmen have acted ineptly, corruptly and naively and then when it all goes wrong they expect the loyal fans to bail them out by telling them how bright the future will be as Peter Phillips is doing here, Ive had enough and cant take any more, I dont beileve any of them. The same people that are telling me Im a moaning idiot are the same people that failed to question everyone that has been involved in this for the past 25 years hence the position we yet again find ourselves in.Mostyn and Sly arrived at the club and said they would turn the club around by running it 'as a buisness.' If they had done that and failed it wouldnt be so bad but all they did was run the club down for their own benefit with one eye on Admin from the start and even had the nerve to make false statements to the supporters trust and claim they were buying shares when in fact it was a loan. Tooday im expected to beileve they only realised the catering had been sold-off after they became involved which, for 'experienced' buisnesmen is ludicrous to beileve could happen and if it did happen that way it shows just how incompetent they are.They engineered a situation whereby nobody in their right mind would get involved in either bidding or joining them. Mostyn appointed an administrator who the very next day went public and unethically stated how Mostyn had saved the club single handedly over the last year, which, in the absence of accounts is impossible to prove. Also, during that year no creditors were paid hence the current position which leaves the question of matchday receipts. If nobody was being paid where has that money gone? I keep hearing how the club is 'losing' 30grand a week but if you are paying nobody with a view to admin its impossible to be losing money because anything that comes in goes in your pocket because youre not paying anyone. I suspect this is what Mostyn has done, the figures and details forever lost in the admin puzzle, thus rendering his 'financial support' meaningless. They have been unethical, innapropriate and fabricated facts and statements to suit themselves. The reason people are fed up with them is not because of results or Kevin Bond(although that doesnt help), they are fed up because they can see the club stuck with exactly the same problem theyve had for 25 years...mismanagemen
t, ego and greed. The saddest part of all this is it was a fantastic oppurtunity for AFCB to move forward and put the past behind them but as only could happen at AFCB we couldnt even do that right. I'm voting against the CVA is because even if the club went bust we'd start again on crowds of 1000 on a sunday morning at Duck Lane and rise through the leagues and be better off for it by cleansing the club of the pigs with their snouts in the trough. If that makes me a 'moaning idiot' then so-be-it, at least I can sleep easy in my bed knowing that I for one will make a stand and do what I beileve to be right for the future of the club and not be bullied into voting a certain way because people with an agenda are telling me Im risking the future of the club.[/quote] Stop blaming people now for what happened 25 years ago, that is the problem with all this you keep on banging on about the past, and if you do that we will never move forward, why are Mostyn and his gang any worse than others, they are the only ones who we have, rumors mean nothing, and you are telling me you think going out of business is the better option to watching league football, at least with league football there is a chance. If you want to go down the road of blame have a go at Harry whilst you are at it, it was his time in charge and the subsequent regimes trying to get that back that put us here, the last year has not seen the clubs debts rise and it was not possible until now to go into administration because of the previous CVA, we can all make the arguments fit our agenda, the only real difference is that I have a level of trust and you have become cynical about anyone taking over the club, other than that where are there that many differences, we all want what is best for the club, only our opinions differ, so enough of the in fighting there have been too many spats for our own good on here.
fergie1 wrote:
The reaon that 'moaning idiots' like me have had enough is because all weve seen over the last 25 years is this club lurch from one crisis to another because so-called buisnesmen have acted ineptly, corruptly and naively and then when it all goes wrong they expect the loyal fans to bail them out by telling them how bright the future will be as Peter Phillips is doing here, Ive had enough and cant take any more, I dont beileve any of them. The same people that are telling me Im a moaning idiot are the same people that failed to question everyone that has been involved in this for the past 25 years hence the position we yet again find ourselves in.Mostyn and Sly arrived at the club and said they would turn the club around by running it 'as a buisness.' If they had done that and failed it wouldnt be so bad but all they did was run the club down for their own benefit with one eye on Admin from the start and even had the nerve to make false statements to the supporters trust and claim they were buying shares when in fact it was a loan. Tooday im expected to beileve they only realised the catering had been sold-off after they became involved which, for 'experienced' buisnesmen is ludicrous to beileve could happen and if it did happen that way it shows just how incompetent they are.They engineered a situation whereby nobody in their right mind would get involved in either bidding or joining them. Mostyn appointed an administrator who the very next day went public and unethically stated how Mostyn had saved the club single handedly over the last year, which, in the absence of accounts is impossible to prove. Also, during that year no creditors were paid hence the current position which leaves the question of matchday receipts. If nobody was being paid where has that money gone? I keep hearing how the club is 'losing' 30grand a week but if you are paying nobody with a view to admin its impossible to be losing money because anything that comes in goes in your pocket because youre not paying anyone. I suspect this is what Mostyn has done, the figures and details forever lost in the admin puzzle, thus rendering his 'financial support' meaningless. They have been unethical, innapropriate and fabricated facts and statements to suit themselves. The reason people are fed up with them is not because of results or Kevin Bond(although that doesnt help), they are fed up because they can see the club stuck with exactly the same problem theyve had for 25 years...mismanagemen
t, ego and greed. The saddest part of all this is it was a fantastic oppurtunity for AFCB to move forward and put the past behind them but as only could happen at AFCB we couldnt even do that right. I'm voting against the CVA is because even if the club went bust we'd start again on crowds of 1000 on a sunday morning at Duck Lane and rise through the leagues and be better off for it by cleansing the club of the pigs with their snouts in the trough. If that makes me a 'moaning idiot' then so-be-it, at least I can sleep easy in my bed knowing that I for one will make a stand and do what I beileve to be right for the future of the club and not be bullied into voting a certain way because people with an agenda are telling me Im risking the future of the club.
Stop blaming people now for what happened 25 years ago, that is the problem with all this you keep on banging on about the past, and if you do that we will never move forward, why are Mostyn and his gang any worse than others, they are the only ones who we have, rumors mean nothing, and you are telling me you think going out of business is the better option to watching league football, at least with league football there is a chance. If you want to go down the road of blame have a go at Harry whilst you are at it, it was his time in charge and the subsequent regimes trying to get that back that put us here, the last year has not seen the clubs debts rise and it was not possible until now to go into administration because of the previous CVA, we can all make the arguments fit our agenda, the only real difference is that I have a level of trust and you have become cynical about anyone taking over the club, other than that where are there that many differences, we all want what is best for the club, only our opinions differ, so enough of the in fighting there have been too many spats for our own good on here.
Posted by: lymocherry, Lymington on 4:27pm Tue 18 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fergie1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]lymocherry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]fergie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Tel3977[/bold] wrote: Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning idiots should give us all a rest and do what Bob G is doing and clear off [/quote] That is a ridiculous post. Most of what lymocherry says is incorrect, fabricated or plucked from thin air with no evidence. Anyone who has posted here for a period of time(which you havent) would know this so stop talking crap.[/quote] And you speak the truth do you fergie? what s surprise you have turned to name calling yet again rather than having a debate on the subject, what makes you any better than anyone else on here, none of what you say is based on anymore facts than anyone else, people have different view points get used to it, I respect that why don't you try and do the same.[/quote] Anyone who posts reguarly on here knows the situation.[/quote] Why the big chip on your shoulder, what have I done to you?
fergie1 wrote:
lymocherry wrote:
fergie1 wrote: Tel3977 wrote: Over the last few months i assume the red & black negative moaning idiots have come on here, the only person that seems to talk any sense is lymocherry the rest of the idiots who call themselves supporters are just a joke, all i read is moan moan moan about the team then the Chairman and SS come in with an offer to save the club moan moan again,if you were really concerned about AFCB and wanting them to survive i suggest the moaning
