Whichever way you look at it Jeff Mostyn has absolutely no credibility. He's had more partners than a busy hooker and his serious lack of self-made finance is becoming an embarassment. When the Oates people were interested at the end of the season it was them that were giving Mostyn funds on the basis they were going to be partners and this time we discover Mostyn has received funding from another consortium which has since cut ties. Its only a matter of time before 'Savi' realises what everyone else has and cuts Mostyn off again. It's easy to miss the bigger picture here, so let me spell it out: IF PITHER BUYS THE LAND FROM PARKCREST MOSTYN IS FINISHED, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT LAND HOW CAN MOSTYN GO FORWARD? He would become a creditor. So....as much as I dont want us to be involved with anyone who was involved with Luton I do think its time that the rug is pulled from under Mostyn. Hes an embarassment with delusins of grandeur and hes dragging us down faster than the aforementioned hookers knickers.

I do feel it's like kids in the playground, all this if you give me some money then I will make you the preferred bidder but if you don't then your mate will be captain, has it really come to this the future of AFCB is being decided over who can get a cheque in to pay the bills, surely this can't be right. Krasner for all our sakes make the deadline and stick to it, otherwise we will still be here next year!!!

"I fully understand the administrator's requirements and have every confidence of fulfilling them" says Mostyn. The fact that he can't say "I fully understand the administrator's requirements and WILL fulfil them" says it all.

Paul wrote:
"I fully understand the administrator's requirements and have every confidence of fulfilling them" says Mostyn. The fact that he can't say "I fully understand the administrator's requirements and WILL fulfil them" says it all.

Thats a great point. The bottom line is if Mostyn had money he would be in charge by now, simple as that. The thing he doesnt seem to understand is, the longer he carries on living in cloud-cuckoo-land the closer AFCB gets to being wiped out FOREVER. I for one think Krasner has dragged this out because he's doing well financially from all this but in hindsight I'm actually glad he's as greedy as he is because any self respecting administrator would have got fed-up and pulled the plug by now.

Totally agree G McMahon, this farse must end. We have three people with definite connections with the ex Luton Town mob who are banned by the FA and made a completee mess of that club. Then we have Mostyn who jumps into bed with anyone who says they have money. Lets see if at last he does come up trumps but don`t hold your breath because it appears that Savi and Sport - 6 are not what they seem to be and Savi got the push allegedly from Everton after 8 months in 2003 and then again at Chester City after a month in 2007, allegedly. It appears that Savi is more at home as a Ruby coach ?

Taking ownership of AFCB now would be like buying a car with no windows, no wheels and no engine. Sure, you technically own a car but it wouldn`t get you anywhere. And if you want to leave it out on the street you`ll have to keep taxing it. We need someone with financial clout and ideas of going forward both on the pitch and in developing the ground. If its Jeff and Steve we are doomed because they have lost their credibility and they will struggle on their past record to take us forward. It appears that they cannot bring themselves to admit defeat once their hand has gone bad. You have got to know when to hold`em and know when to fold`em.

Hopefully by end of play tonight we can all sleep knowing our future is safe ?????
Another simple question , are the players INSURED now that they are back in training ? if so who paid the bill ?

Another ohase of our initial launch is upon us - for those that are not yet aware (where have you been ?), we are a newly formed supporters union and there has already been much debate and interet on other boards (including our own) and membership is increasing daily.

Our initial statement appears below - please feel free to contact the BBSU secretary with any enquiries and questions you may have.

Together, we can make a real difference.

The Bournemouth and Boscombe Supporters Union is a new and innovative organisation where ALL supporters can come together in a very structured way - making it easier for the club to understand what the supporters, as a body, feel about a particular issue. As a union it can deliver a single united message from a large body of people, it is the strength of that message that is impossible for the club to ignore.

Seeking union affiliation can only serve to reinforce our mandate, as well as provide the clear benefits of Union affiliation:

1. Legal Representation free of charge

2. The ability to take action against the holding company for the benefit of the football club and all its supporters

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SET UP

1. The name of the organisation shall be Bournemouth and Boscombe Supporters Union. It will be the first organised supporters club in the UK to seek full affiliation with a registered trade union, with all the benefits that coincide with union membership.

2. There will be an initial period of 1 year where membership shall be free (Until the start of the 2009-2010 season) after which a yearly subscription of no more than £10 will be levied.

3. Membership for the forthcoming season (2008-2009) can be secured by e-mailing to BBSUSEC@yahoo.co.uk.


3. To hold elections within 4 months of birth of the organisation, with a strict one person one vote rule.

4. To run a head committee consisting of: Chairperson, Vice-Chairperson, Secretary, Press Spokesperson, Treasurer, and two elected members, Giving a head committe of 7.

AIMS.

1. To secure long term professional football in Bournemouth by actively seeking dialogue with all parties interested in investing in the club.

2. To seek direct dialogue with the owners of AFC Bournemouth in regard to supporters views and concerns.

3. To hold monthly Supporters Union committee meetings, with published minutes for all members.

4. To hold bi-monthly open fans forums, with the production of minutes of all dialogue held for all members.

5. To act on majority decisions taken by members votes.

6. To instigate dialogue on the management structure withing AFC Bournemouth with view to improving supporter relations.

7. To stand united on all issues affecting the structure within the club.

8. To gain from benefits organised within the BBSU structure such as discounts with major companies.


OUR GOALS

To strengthen the bonds between AFC Bournemouth and the community which it serves and to represent the interests of the community in the future direction of the football club.

To benefit present and future members of the community served by the club by promoting, encouraging, and furthering the game of football as a recreational facility, sporting activity and focus for community involvement.

BBSU will strive to encourage the AFCB board of directors to take proper account of the interests of its supporters and the community it serves in its decision making processes.

To promote, develop and respect the rights of the members of the community served by the club and people dealing with the BBSU as setout in the charter of fundamental rights of the EU, having regarding in particular to the need to provide truthful information to its members and conduct affairs in accessable and appropriate ways.

The BBSU aims to unite all who have an abiding passion for the Club and is a platform for all supporters to have a say on the issues that affect the Club.

It is completely independent of the Club and is non profit making. Regardless of who the custodians of AFCB may be, the fans are the lifeblood and only constant. The BBSU will enable that constant to make a major contribution to the future success of AFC Bournemouth Football Club.


If you would like any further information, wish to join or would like to offer you services in furtherance and enhancement of the BBSU aims and policies then please contact the BBSU secretary at bbsusec@yahoo.co.uk

Whilst I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, the supporters trust has clearly shown that supporters groups are all mouth and no trousers and are basically held hostage by whatever crooked 'buisnessman' decides he wants to go on an ego trip, so whilst your intentions are honourable, you're probably wasting your time. Your time would be better spent getting 2000 people to chip in £10,000 each and actually make a difference by OWNING the club.

I just cant believe how mostyn can come out with a statement like this after the way he and associates have virtually destroyed this club. Under his tenure a club that was already struggling has collapsed, the measurement of success is based have things improved from when someone takes ownership until the time they leave can someone tell me what has improved under Mostyns leadership because feom where I am as a normal supporter I am unable to think of one area where the club has improved, infact I cant think of one area where things have not got worse, I certainly do not have confidence in anything he does or says, and the evidence of his failings is there for all to see. Wake up supporters our club is in trouble, the idea of supporters taking a controlling interest is fantastic, and the campaign should have been started when the club went into admin, but the time is not too late if the ST would show some teeth and galvanise the supporters. I think the 08/09 season is going to be both interesting and challenging on and off the pitch.

The Firm, you have hit the nail on the head:

IF PITHER BUYS THE LAND FROM PARKCREST MOSTYN IS FINISHED, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT LAND HOW CAN MOSTYN GO FORWARD?

It looks like Pither has stolen a march on Mostyn - without the land, Mostyn is dead in the water.

What businessmen in their right mind would put a big chunk of cash into a loss-making business with no assets, cashflow negative and with very questionable prospects?

Brock&Roll: I'd go one step further. I'd say that Mostyn knows the land is the key and cannot get the money together to buy it no matter how hard he trys. He must know without the land he's finished and the fact he can't get the money together just goes to show how incompetent and innapropriate his bid is when you take the bigger picture into account. He's putting his own self interest before the good of AFCB and the irony will be when he is one of the creditors offered virtually nothing in an administration that he gave the green light to. Pither seems to have Mostyns number and I think this will be resolved quite quickly now....without Mostyn.

GMcMahon wrote:
I do feel it's like kids in the playground, all this if you give me some money then I will make you the preferred bidder but if you don't then your mate will be captain, has it really come to this the future of AFCB is being decided over who can get a cheque in to pay the bills, surely this can't be right. Krasner for all our sakes make the deadline and stick to it, otherwise we will still be here next year!!!

Agree MOstyn has had plenty of time plenty of chances Enough is Enough If Mostyn doesnt oput all the money in today Krassner should exclude him from the process in fact thats what he should have done when he didnt bother to bid before.

The Firm wrote:
Whilst I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, the supporters trust has clearly shown that supporters groups are all mouth and no trousers and are basically held hostage by whatever crooked 'buisnessman' decides he wants to go on an ego trip, so whilst your intentions are honourable, you're probably wasting your time. Your time would be better spent getting 2000 people to chip in £10,000 each and actually make a difference by OWNING the club.

Whilst I would say that the ST did a good job, I feel that this whole process has highlighted the inherenet weaknesses in their constitution and ethos.

You are right to intimate that many pertinent questions have not been asked of the relevant people (and certainly not communicated to the fans who the ST represent).

I feel that our stated independance is a big plus point as we have to answer to our membership. We will ask the difficult questions and I can assure you and anyone else, that we will not rest and with the full union affiliation that we are currently seeking should ensure that we are heard,

It costs nothing for the first year (thanks to the generosity of one our founder members) so you have nothing to lose by joining. Judge us as the year progresses and then make your mind up,

I will just end by adding I am surprised that we have not had any statement from the ST regarding the press conference - surely the fans need to hear their thoughts ? You have heard those from the BBSU.

Up the Cherries !

The other thing tobear in mind in all ofthis isPither was quoted the other day as saying he thinkshe'dput half theprofits from any potential new-build into the club and keep half himself....at last....someone who is prepared to admit they'll actually take money out and put into their own pocket, thats progress. If the club is starting afresh with no debt and is being run soundly it will be in a much better position to fund itself and Pither is welcome to half the profit.

The Alchemist wrote:

The Firm wrote: Whilst I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, the supporters trust has clearly shown that supporters groups are all mouth and no trousers and are basically held hostage by whatever crooked 'buisnessman' decides he wants to go on an ego trip, so whilst your intentions are honourable, you're probably wasting your time. Your time would be better spent getting 2000 people to chip in £10,000 each and actually make a difference by OWNING the club.

Whilst I would say that the ST did a good job, I feel that this whole process has highlighted the inherenet weaknesses in their constitution and ethos. You are right to intimate that many pertinent questions have not been asked of the relevant people (and certainly not communicated to the fans who the ST represent). I feel that our stated independance is a big plus point as we have to answer to our membership. We will ask the difficult questions and I can assure you and anyone else, that we will not rest and with the full union affiliation that we are currently seeking should ensure that we are heard, It costs nothing for the first year (thanks to the generosity of one our founder members) so you have nothing to lose by joining. Judge us as the year progresses and then make your mind up, I will just end by adding I am surprised that we have not had any statement from the ST regarding the press conference - surely the fans need to hear their thoughts ? You have heard those from the BBSU. Up the Cherries !

As I said, I beileve you mean well but how can you aske to be judged in one year when this club might not be here tommorow? With respect, in my opinion (which is all it is) you're one year too late.

The Firm wrote:
Brock&Roll: I'd go one step further. I'd say that Mostyn knows the land is the key and cannot get the money together to buy it no matter how hard he trys. He must know without the land he's finished and the fact he can't get the money together just goes to show how incompetent and innapropriate his bid is when you take the bigger picture into account. He's putting his own self interest before the good of AFCB and the irony will be when he is one of the creditors offered virtually nothing in an administration that he gave the green light to. Pither seems to have Mostyns number and I think this will be resolved quite quickly now....without Mostyn.

I am concerned about the motives of the new bidders as well but you have to look at the natural justice if this happens I honestly believe that if JM didnt have his hidden agenda this Club would have been out of administration by now.

From 2005 until their administration Luton sold players to the value of £9.2 million.

If with sales of that magnitude the club still failed what hope is there with the 'Luton Gang' running our club either directly or by proxy?

Can anyone put me right on something ?
If Mostyns original consortium included this Luton lot and they put a bid in and it was accepted as the preffered bid by Mostyn. Surely if the consortium broke down the bid should have started again. If you have a partner with the money how can you stay in. And if these Guys were not part of the original bid why are they not on equal bidding status with Mostyn as they have clearing put substantial funding into the Club. And finally why would they put funding in if they were not going to be in with a chance of taking over the Club. Hope that makes sense

Should have read clearly not clearing sorry

Blimey getting worse I meant accepted by Krassner not Mostyn although it sometimes seems to amount to the same thing !!!

StephenColes wrote:
From 2005 until their administration Luton sold players to the value of £9.2 million. If with sales of that magnitude the club still failed what hope is there with the 'Luton Gang' running our club either directly or by proxy?

I agree. So at the eleventh hour we have a choice. We can continue supporting Walter 'Mostyn' Mitty or throw our support behind a fruit and veg dealer with links to the Luton debacle. I think that adequetly highlights the real mess we're in.

The Firm wrote:

The Alchemist wrote:

The Firm wrote: Whilst I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, the supporters trust has clearly shown that supporters groups are all mouth and no trousers and are basically held hostage by whatever crooked 'buisnessman' decides he wants to go on an ego trip, so whilst your intentions are honourable, you're probably wasting your time. Your time would be better spent getting 2000 people to chip in £10,000 each and actually make a difference by OWNING the club.

Whilst I would say that the ST did a good job, I feel that this whole process has highlighted the inherenet weaknesses in their constitution and ethos. You are right to intimate that many pertinent questions have not been asked of the relevant people (and certainly not communicated to the fans who the ST represent). I feel that our stated independance is a big plus point as we have to answer to our membership. We will ask the difficult questions and I can assure you and anyone else, that we will not rest and with the full union affiliation that we are currently seeking should ensure that we are heard, It costs nothing for the first year (thanks to the generosity of one our founder members) so you have nothing to lose by joining. Judge us as the year progresses and then make your mind up, I will just end by adding I am surprised that we have not had any statement from the ST regarding the press conference - surely the fans need to hear their thoughts ? You have heard those from the BBSU. Up the Cherries !

As I said, I beileve you mean well but how can you aske to be judged in one year when this club might not be here tommorow? With respect, in my opinion (which is all it is) you're one year too late.

Spot on . If we get out of this mess then maybe its an option but in reality what could you have done when you have a Chairman who clearly had his own agenda which most of us spotted last May (although we fdidnt know what it was) and then when it all goes pair shape The ST still supported his plans. OKJ they were proberbly mislead like the rest of us but forgive me for saying what good would full union affiliation do Yes we could take People to Court but would that save the CLub even if we won its a Limited Company and would be bankrupt. No I think you Guys have a roll but its for later and to try and prevent People destroying our Club. But sorry have to agree with the Firm its no use to us at the moment it could be to late

The Firm wrote:
The other thing tobear in mind in all ofthis isPither was quoted the other day as saying he thinkshe'dput half theprofits from any potential new-build into the club and keep half himself....at last....someone who is prepared to admit they'll actually take money out and put into their own pocket, thats progress. If the club is starting afresh with no debt and is being run soundly it will be in a much better position to fund itself and Pither is welcome to half the profit.

I agree why should making a profit be something to be afraid to admit. If We do well he does well seems fair to me.

The Firm wrote:

The Alchemist wrote:

The Firm wrote: Whilst I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, the supporters trust has clearly shown that supporters groups are all mouth and no trousers and are basically held hostage by whatever crooked 'buisnessman' decides he wants to go on an ego trip, so whilst your intentions are honourable, you're probably wasting your time. Your time would be better spent getting 2000 people to chip in £10,000 each and actually make a difference by OWNING the club.

Whilst I would say that the ST did a good job, I feel that this whole process has highlighted the inherenet weaknesses in their constitution and ethos. You are right to intimate that many pertinent questions have not been asked of the relevant people (and certainly not communicated to the fans who the ST represent). I feel that our stated independance is a big plus point as we have to answer to our membership. We will ask the difficult questions and I can assure you and anyone else, that we will not rest and with the full union affiliation that we are currently seeking should ensure that we are heard, It costs nothing for the first year (thanks to the generosity of one our founder members) so you have nothing to lose by joining. Judge us as the year progresses and then make your mind up, I will just end by adding I am surprised that we have not had any statement from the ST regarding the press conference - surely the fans need to hear their thoughts ? You have heard those from the BBSU. Up the Cherries !

As I said, I beileve you mean well but how can you aske to be judged in one year when this club might not be here tommorow? With respect, in my opinion (which is all it is) you're one year too late.

When I said judge in one year - all it was inferring was that there wouldn't be any call for renewal for a year so you would have that time to make up your mind if you so wished.

I think the ground swell of opinion has moved to the point now that supporters are looking for something dufferent and I'm not sure a year ago that was so true.

Alchemist: I take your points on board and wish you every success. If, on the other side of this self-inflicted mess we still have a football your organisation certainlybe any worse than the tummy-tickling brigade that masquerade as a supporters trust. There's certainly a gap in the market for an accountable organisation with some teeth and I wish you well.

whichever way we go we are in a mess, but I would agree that Mostyn has now had ample time to complete and if he fails to meet todays deadline he should depart the scene, Krasnar by continually setting new deadlines has only helped to muddy the waters, and as a appointed court official his part in this mess should be investigated as we all know it is not the first time he has been involved in messy takeover, I do not feel happy that this new group appear to have links with Luton because it is almost certain the League would not accept them, most supporters just want to see an end to this saga and it is now up to Mostyn to prove whether he can back up his words

kevvo wrote:

The Firm wrote:

The Alchemist wrote:

The Firm wrote: Whilst I'm sure your hearts are in the right place, the supporters trust has clearly shown that supporters groups are all mouth and no trousers and are basically held hostage by whatever crooked 'buisnessman' decides he wants to go on an ego trip, so whilst your intentions are honourable, you're probably wasting your time. Your time would be better spent getting 2000 people to chip in £10,000 each and actually make a difference by OWNING the club.

Whilst I would say that the ST did a good job, I feel that this whole process has highlighted the inherenet weaknesses in their constitution and ethos. You are right to intimate that many pertinent questions have not been asked of the relevant people (and certainly not communicated to the fans who the ST represent). I feel that our stated independance is a big plus point as we have to answer to our membership. We will ask the difficult questions and I can assure you and anyone else, that we will not rest and with the full union affiliation that we are currently seeking should ensure that we are heard, It costs nothing for the first year (thanks to the generosity of one our founder members) so you have nothing to lose by joining. Judge us as the year progresses and then make your mind up, I will just end by adding I am surprised that we have not had any statement from the ST regarding the press conference - surely the fans need to hear their thoughts ? You have heard those from the BBSU. Up the Cherries !

As I said, I beileve you mean well but how can you aske to be judged in one year when this club might not be here tommorow? With respect, in my opinion (which is all it is) you're one year too late.

Spot on . If we get out of this mess then maybe its an option but in reality what could you have done when you have a Chairman who clearly had his own agenda which most of us spotted last May (although we fdidnt know what it was) and then when it all goes pair shape The ST still supported his plans. OKJ they were proberbly mislead like the rest of us but forgive me for saying what good would full union affiliation do Yes we could take People to Court but would that save the CLub even if we won its a Limited Company and would be bankrupt. No I think you Guys have a roll but its for later and to try and prevent People destroying our Club. But sorry have to agree with the Firm its no use to us at the moment it could be to late

There is no intention to be taking people to court at all (realise that was probably an extreme illustrative example) but the affiliation with a union will ensure that our voice is heard much more than a well intentioned supporters group with a limited membership and therefore mandate.

Our secretary can illustrate how the union affiliation will be such a benefit far better than me as he has experience of seeing it in operation in other countries (we will be the first UK fully affiliated supporters union) and as on the original statement, he can be reached on bbsusec@yahoo.,co.uk and will only be too happy to answer any questions and queries that any of you may have.

Together we can make a difference.

I go along with the criticism of Krasnar to some extend but if we put ourselves in his position. Of course he could have said enough is enough at the first hurdle shut shop and left AFCB as a done and dusted outfit. The fact that so called potential bidders play a different game than the rest of us namely speculative and downright devious at times, did tie Krasnar’s hands to some extend thus making the situation as it is today. Unless some of you have evidence to the contrary I believe that Krasnar is honestly trying to save the club from going under. However as the rest of the supporters I too am getting frustrated about this long drawn out saga. At the end of the day all of us want a club and a team to support though we may differ on how to achieve that end goal.

Krasner is trying to save the club from going under and at £600 an hour he's doing very nicely out of it!

The Firm wrote:
Krasner is trying to save the club from going under and at £600 an hour he's doing very nicely out of it!

I totally agree but unfortunately it wasn't us who put him in charge. I would have preferred someone who did it for nothing but the real world is not like that!

Kevvo and mike we are all singing from the same song sheet that in itself tells us all we need to know, mike and I have come up with the same information we may have come about it from different perspectives but our motives are the same, I really do hope we get something concrete today or we are looking down the barrel again, it's a choice I would not want to make, Mostyn or the Ex Luton owners, it really does make you wonder what has been going on, time to call it a day Krasner no more **** footing around either they put up or the club shuts up other wise what is the point on carrying on, the administrator is no longer being paid (except Krasner who is an employee) and the club is not bringing in an income so with a month to go before the season starts and no share yet there cannot be anymore of theses deadlines, I always thought a deadline was there so something was concluded I have never in all my years ever known the goal post moved as often as they have with this administration process, I recall the first deadline as far back as April, so come on get something done no more moving the deadline enough is enough.

I totally agree we need a new supporters group, the ST has continued to let us down time and time again, 1st the sale & leaseback, then the loan/share issue, what is the point of having members of the ST on the board if they can't divulge anything back to it's ST members.

The ST have failed to ask the right questions and have lacked bite for too long. The ST has become completely powerless and is split down the middle with which way it should be pulling, any member who wants to ask difficult questions get a veto from other members.

I'm all for it guys, certainly gets my vote.

Good Luck to the BBSU.

I have to agree with englishtillidie, the ST had a wonderful opportunity to be the voice of the fans throughout the adminisrtation process, this at anytime would be the most significant of opportunites but the ST have completely missed the opportunity and in fact at best have taken a non commital position, when in fact from an early stage they should have been challenging the whole issue, perhaps even before administration because it is apparent now things have not been right for a long long time, I find it interesting that the ST were very strong in their comments towards Mr Phillips, who actually achieved far more than Mostyn and Sly who have gone unchallenged by the ST and have steered the club into an apopalling position without any real questions being asked.

mostyn ....you couldnt be trusted to deliver a newspaper

lferrone wrote:
I go along with the criticism of Krasnar to some extend but if we put ourselves in his position. Of course he could have said enough is enough at the first hurdle shut shop and left AFCB as a done and dusted outfit. The fact that so called potential bidders play a different game than the rest of us namely speculative and downright devious at times, did tie Krasnar’s hands to some extend thus making the situation as it is today. Unless some of you have evidence to the contrary I believe that Krasnar is honestly trying to save the club from going under. However as the rest of the supporters I too am getting frustrated about this long drawn out saga. At the end of the day all of us want a club and a team to support though we may differ on how to achieve that end goal.

According to the last Press Conference there is only a certain amount of money available to pay the Administrator. I cannot see it going up by the hour otherwise he will be the major creditor!I think Mr Krasner will be getting impatient with Mr Mostyn now and I think he will jump at the chance of accepting the new offer from last Monday. I think he is giving Mr Mostyn every chance to hang himself by not coming up with the funds by the end of today.

Well the deadline is today and if Krassner extends it again the League should investigate why because it gives Mostyn an unfair advantage This Club needs the money now not the promise of it and if Jeff hasnt got it he should withdraw

Maybe I’ve missed something but with regards to the Pither consortium, I can find no record of any of them ever having owned or been directors of Luton Town. So one of the consortium appears to have an association with an ex-director of Luton but how does this mean that they are all responsible for the fate of that Club? I would give them a fair chance before tarring them with the same brush. To me it seems they’ve been truly stitched up by the slimy wee Mostyn who has lied about the funding of the club for the past few months. If Pither has put monies in to keep the club going, how come the Administrator doesn’t now grant them equal bidder status and may the best man - with the best plan for making the Club work - win!

bowlofcherries wrote:
Maybe I’ve missed something but with regards to the Pither consortium, I can find no record of any of them ever having owned or been directors of Luton Town. So one of the consortium appears to have an association with an ex-director of Luton but how does this mean that they are all responsible for the fate of that Club? I would give them a fair chance before tarring them with the same brush. To me it seems they’ve been truly stitched up by the slimy wee Mostyn who has lied about the funding of the club for the past few months. If Pither has put monies in to keep the club going, how come the Administrator doesn’t now grant them equal bidder status and may the best man - with the best plan for making the Club work - win!

Look into Bournemouth Holdings and you will find out all you need to know about the Luton connection, believe me there is plenty to find out if you make the effort, so giving them a chance is find just be sure you know what you are dealing with.

englishtillidie wrote:
I totally agree we need a new supporters group, the ST has continued to let us down time and time again, 1st the sale & leaseback, then the loan/share issue, what is the point of having members of the ST on the board if they can't divulge anything back to it's ST members. The ST have failed to ask the right questions and have lacked bite for too long. The ST has become completely powerless and is split down the middle with which way it should be pulling, any member who wants to ask difficult questions get a veto from other members. I'm all for it guys, certainly gets my vote. Good Luck to the BBSU.

the ST actually were against s/l and if your not happy with the truat you can always stand for office at the next election.

GMcMahon wrote:

bowlofcherries wrote: Maybe I’ve missed something but with regards to the Pither consortium, I can find no record of any of them ever having owned or been directors of Luton Town. So one of the consortium appears to have an association with an ex-director of Luton but how does this mean that they are all responsible for the fate of that Club? I would give them a fair chance before tarring them with the same brush. To me it seems they’ve been truly stitched up by the slimy wee Mostyn who has lied about the funding of the club for the past few months. If Pither has put monies in to keep the club going, how come the Administrator doesn’t now grant them equal bidder status and may the best man - with the best plan for making the Club work - win!

Look into Bournemouth Holdings and you will find out all you need to know about the Luton connection, believe me there is plenty to find out if you make the effort, so giving them a chance is find just be sure you know what you are dealing with.

Thanks, but my point wasn't that the Bournemouth Holdings owners had any association with an ex director of Luton. Rather that the 3 named consortium members had no role in the running of Luton, so why are people trying to imply they were? Simply knowing someone, does not make a person guilty by association of anything they may have or have not done. If you know so much about them why not tell the rest of us! :)

ross wrote:

englishtillidie wrote: I totally agree we need a new supporters group, the ST has continued to let us down time and time again, 1st the sale & leaseback, then the loan/share issue, what is the point of having members of the ST on the board if they can't divulge anything back to it's ST members. The ST have failed to ask the right questions and have lacked bite for too long. The ST has become completely powerless and is split down the middle with which way it should be pulling, any member who wants to ask difficult questions get a veto from other members. I'm all for it guys, certainly gets my vote. Good Luck to the BBSU.

the ST actually were against s/l and if your not happy with the truat you can always stand for office at the next election.

If indeed there is still a Club to have a Supporters Trust of course . The ST may have good intentions but what use have they been through all this and it wouldnt matter who was on it they have no say no power so its just a nice thing to be on .

The company Sport 6 is a dormant company and Mr Saverimutto's previous 6 companies of which he was a director have all been dissolved. does this give you faith in the new appointment?

dubious wrote:
The company Sport 6 is a dormant company and Mr Saverimutto's previous 6 companies of which he was a director have all been dissolved. does this give you faith in the new appointment?

If this is true, plus the rumours he was only at Everton for eight months and Chester City for a paltry four weeks, why did the Echo print all that rubbish yesterday about him working in Football for five years? Who are the Echo worried of upseting? Its loyal readership? by feeding them un-checked info? Not sure who to believe.

dubious wrote:
The company Sport 6 is a dormant company and Mr Saverimutto's previous 6 companies of which he was a director have all been dissolved. does this give you faith in the new appointment?

The telephone number quoted on the web site does not work.

Mostyn and his closed season brinkmanship, his egotistical persona ,is the reason that after 50 years as a supporter I have now walked away from the club.

Sorry but I just cannot be bothered any more with Mostyns CRAP and his continued drivel!

bowlofcherries wrote:

GMcMahon wrote:

bowlofcherries wrote: Maybe I’ve missed something but with regards to the Pither consortium, I can find no record of any of them ever having owned or been directors of Luton Town. So one of the consortium appears to have an association with an ex-director of Luton but how does this mean that they are all responsible for the fate of that Club? I would give them a fair chance before tarring them with the same brush. To me it seems they’ve been truly stitched up by the slimy wee Mostyn who has lied about the funding of the club for the past few months. If Pither has put monies in to keep the club going, how come the Administrator doesn’t now grant them equal bidder status and may the best man - with the best plan for making the Club work - win!

Look into Bournemouth Holdings and you will find out all you need to know about the Luton connection, believe me there is plenty to find out if you make the effort, so giving them a chance is find just be sure you know what you are dealing with.

Thanks, but my point wasn't that the Bournemouth Holdings owners had any association with an ex director of Luton. Rather that the 3 named consortium members had no role in the running of Luton, so why are people trying to imply they were? Simply knowing someone, does not make a person guilty by association of anything they may have or have not done. If you know so much about them why not tell the rest of us! :)

But setting up a company with these people under the Bournemouth Holdings limited company name does, and as for telling the rest of you, where have you been it's common knowledge.

I have carried out a credit check on Sport 6 and all of his previous companies and it does not look good. Surely those involved with Bournemouth and even the administrators could have done the same

kevvo wrote:

ross wrote:

englishtillidie wrote: I totally agree we need a new supporters group, the ST has continued to let us down time and time again, 1st the sale & leaseback, then the loan/share issue, what is the point of having members of the ST on the board if they can't divulge anything back to it's ST members. The ST have failed to ask the right questions and have lacked bite for too long. The ST has become completely powerless and is split down the middle with which way it should be pulling, any member who wants to ask difficult questions get a veto from other members. I'm all for it guys, certainly gets my vote. Good Luck to the BBSU.

the ST actually were against s/l and if your not happy with the truat you can always stand for office at the next election.

If indeed there is still a Club to have a Supporters Trust of course . The ST may have good intentions but what use have they been through all this and it wouldnt matter who was on it they have no say no power so its just a nice thing to be on .

Worrying thing is members of the ST board are jumping ship not long after being voted on to join the BBSU, I am not sure how this affects things either way but do you want the same people involved in the new BBSU that were involved in the ST as they are seen to be ineffective or do you want people who know what they are doing, I can't for the life of me see any benefit in having a number of supporters groups, what good will it do?

Is it me? Or is GMcMahon so righteous that he can't see the point in anyone's opionions but his own. I'll probably get another smart answer back from him but then its Friday and I dont really give a stuff!

What has frustrated me about Mostyn is that he has not got the balls to come out and admit that his primary driver behind his bid, is to try and protect the (substantial) money he has already put into / lent to the club. Obviously he was hoping that some of the profits from the land development will pay him a bit back - fair enough.

If he were to be open about this, I am sure we would have sympathy with his position, but this continual smoke and mirrors does him a diservice. As as banker myself, I know that the chances of a bank lending anyone money for this kind of this is practically nil, therefore the only people who can make it happen are those who have the readies - Mostyn clearly has not.

StephenColes wrote:
From 2005 until their administration Luton sold players to the value of £9.2 million. If with sales of that magnitude the club still failed what hope is there with the 'Luton Gang' running our club either directly or by proxy?

If you read the FA reprot on the members of Luton Club who they fined and censured for the running of the club you will find NO mention of either Pithers, Day or Newman in any of the findings. I believe the time has come for Mostyne to put his hands up and admit that he has not got the money to take us forward. What hope have we got when all Krasner says is that he wants funds to carry on and pay some bills. It is time that he got out of bed with Mostyne and tells him that he has had sufficiant time to get the money together so relinquish any hold he has on the club. Reading what Pithers has to say it is he and his friends who have been giving him the money to give to Krasner so he has not been our saviour at all. Lets have some honesty by the whole shebang and tell us the fans just where we stand

bowlofcherries wrote:
Is it me? Or is GMcMahon so righteous that he can't see the point in anyone's opionions but his own. I'll probably get another smart answer back from him but then its Friday and I dont really give a stuff!

Don't be so precious I am only telling you what is already out there for you to read, why is it when you do this for someone they get the wrong idea all the time, I tell you what I wont bother in future then, so don't ask the question, there is that better for you.

GMcMahon wrote:

bowlofcherries wrote: Is it me? Or is GMcMahon so righteous that he can't see the point in anyone's opionions but his own. I'll probably get another smart answer back from him but then its Friday and I dont really give a stuff!

Don't be so precious I am only telling you what is already out there for you to read, why is it when you do this for someone they get the wrong idea all the time, I tell you what I wont bother in future then, so don't ask the question, there is that better for you.

Yep! thought you couldn't resist having the last word... ha ha ha

gone 4 o'clock, has the cash point closed for this week ?

Well has he coughed up or has his pal Krassner given him more time

Oh Jeff you disappoint me today? when you paid yet another bill for Bournemouth F. C. Please don't disappoint me within the next 5 years I have a big bet on the bookies that Bankruptcy will be within the next 5 years on your leadership. I know your very capable man in building the club and then bring it into receivership and do a better job on Bournemouth F. C. Pity the Customs and excise tax men could not take and swallow the club up before you were allowed to play with the club finances once more.

Good tax loss though for those who have a great high incomes and take on such big losses as it is beneficial with the big high rollers. Never mind maybe the tax revenues people can have their day in the bankruptcy once again and this times make the issues stick. Only a matter of time Jeff. I'm Waiting..... and so is the revenue authorities, just waiting for that one single SLIP JEFF.

extabi wrote:
Oh Jeff you disappoint me today? when you paid yet another bill for Bournemouth F. C. Please don't disappoint me within the next 5 years I have a big bet on the bookies that Bankruptcy will be within the next 5 years on your leadership. I know your very capable man in building the club and then bring it into receivership and do a better job on Bournemouth F. C. Pity the Customs and excise tax men could not take and swallow the club up before you were allowed to play with the club finances once more. Good tax loss though for those who have a great high incomes and take on such big losses as it is beneficial with the big high rollers. Never mind maybe the tax revenues people can have their day in the bankruptcy once again and this times make the issues stick. Only a matter of time Jeff. I'm Waiting..... and so is the revenue authorities, just waiting for that one single SLIP JEFF.

Has the mole emigrated at last, or just disappeared up his own backside ?

bowlofcherries wrote:

GMcMahon wrote:

bowlofcherries wrote: Is it me? Or is GMcMahon so righteous that he can't see the point in anyone's opionions but his own. I'll probably get another smart answer back from him but then its Friday and I dont really give a stuff!

Don't be so precious I am only telling you what is already out there for you to read, why is it when you do this for someone they get the wrong idea all the time, I tell you what I wont bother in future then, so don't ask the question, there is that better for you.

Yep! thought you couldn't resist having the last word... ha ha ha

Hello mole up to your old tricks again I see....

extabi wrote:
Oh Jeff you disappoint me today? when you paid yet another bill for Bournemouth F. C. Please don't disappoint me within the next 5 years I have a big bet on the bookies that Bankruptcy will be within the next 5 years on your leadership. I know your very capable man in building the club and then bring it into receivership and do a better job on Bournemouth F. C. Pity the Customs and excise tax men could not take and swallow the club up before you were allowed to play with the club finances once more.

Good tax loss though for those who have a great high incomes and take on such big losses as it is beneficial with the big high rollers. Never mind maybe the tax revenues people can have their day in the bankruptcy once again and this times make the issues stick. Only a matter of time Jeff. I'm Waiting..... and so is the revenue authorities, just waiting for that one single SLIP JEFF.

Not to put too fine a point on it but the club is AFC Bournemouth, I think you will find Bournemouth F C are the non league team, if you are going to insult the man then get that right at least, and if you have bet on him taking Bournemouth F C into bankruptcy then you are so going to lose that bet. I am not aware of Bournemouth F C having any issues with the taxmen either, why hasnt the Echo reported on this, you would think they would know this from a local non league team, oh and just so you don't get even more confused AFCB are the cherries and Bournemouth FC are the poppies, I hope that helps, the bookie must be having a field day with your bets lol.