What`s going on ? Is all what Mostyn doing LEGAL ?

I thought the club our club was in the hands of the Administrator not Mostyn. Just imagine if ONCE AGAIN Jeff fails in his bid , what happens to all the decisions he appears to be making ?

We are in a total mess and a laughing stock to the rest of football. Please do not start saying "well if Mostyn was not there" etc because he put us there with no plan of coming out of administration and it appears that he still has not got one ?

I believe it is time for us to challenge Krasner and his legal team before it`s too late. You would think that Mostyn and Sly had never left the club and everything was normal. SKINT, NO TEAM , NO PLANS NOTHING !

Just the same spin doctor telling us lies after lies and the silly thing is we let him. And don`t start that there is no one else because there is.

Ask Jeff he told us all in his statement about ` can`t let go` THE WEALTHY PERSON IN THE WINGS . Who is he Jeff or are you frightend to tell us because he want`s your crown. You will bring our club down Mostyn with your big EGO and sadly we are letting you do it. You would think by the way you are talking that we had a great season , wake up we are in Div 2 playing the likes of Bury or Accrington Stanley , fantastic and thanks Mostyn you clown.

Mike you muppet do you not read what he just said. He can talk to the players but nothing can be done until we are out of administration.
I am sure Mr Mostyns legal team would be interested in you calling him a liar with no proof.
The guy has admitted he may not be the best person but he is the only person you fool so stop and think before you spout of stuff you have no idea what you are talking about.
The main focus is to get out of administration and try to keep as many of the out of contract players as we can and we need to sign 2 or 3 as well.

NO to Anderton!!! Did you see him in our last few games? He doesn't care. His set pieces have gone awful, which is one of the main reasons for having him.

Hollands, and Bartley are must haves. Gowling I wouldn't mind if he left to be honest.

If Mostyn (Chairman of the Board) is such a generous benefactor then why did he not pay HMRC the money AFCB owed? (Taxpayers money)

If Mostyn had paid we would not have gone into administration, lost ten points and now are in Div 2!

Mostyn could have held off the other creditors until the end of season and then decide to go into administration, we would then still be in Div 1 and have all season to pull back 10 deducted points.

Was our future mapped out long ago and resulted in the club being worth a lot less for purchase???

` A SUPRISE `

Firstly i am not a muppet thank you. Why don`t you read Jeff`s statement again, please. "it is so important to make them a offer for a season or more " " i will be doing my upmost to persuade "

How can he get involved when it is not and on his past record may never be his club again. Granted if he had even put a bid in then maybe just maybe i could understand BUT he has NOT put a bid in yet and goes on about a DUE DILIGENCE . Blimey Jeff i thought you had just left the club in a mess and its your mess so you should not need a DUE DILIGENCE to see your own bad management ?

Then of course we must not forget that you are funding the club our club on a weekly basis ? WHY ?


IF YOU HAVE THE FUNDS ? AND THE BACKER GET IN THEIR AND SORT YOUR MESS OUT.

STOP PLAYING SILLY GAMES AND PUTTING OUR CLUB IN JEOPARDY. LIKE YOU HAVE SAID TO THOSE WHO HAVE TRIED TO SECURE THE CLUB.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

AND IF THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE WINGS WHO IS MEGA RICH STEP ASSIDE FOR THE SAKE OF US THE REAL FANS.

As for the statement of mine about Jeff`s LIES well we all know about his lie about investing £750k don`t we and i could list many more but what is the point some of you still believe him and Bond are made in heaven. Please understand why we are where we are and who put us there, the season is about 46 games not six and running a business is about paying your bills.

Please clarify why Mr Mostyn lied about £750K investment. I am sure Mr Mostyn would be interested in your claims. You have not got a clue.
We are in this position because of years of bad debt not just this season you fool.
If all you can do is slag of the club and people who wheather wright or wrong want the club to survive then you are not a fan. Muppet

A surprise wrote:
Please clarify why Mr Mostyn lied about £750K investment. I am sure Mr Mostyn would be interested in your claims. You have not got a clue. We are in this position because of years of bad debt not just this season you fool. If all you can do is slag of the club and people who wheather wright or wrong want the club to survive then you are not a fan. Muppet

yes but Mr Mostyn did say and it was quoted in the Echo early in the season that the Club was working within its means and for the first time for Years we are paying our way so if thats true (which we all know it isnt)and as you say Mr Mostyn wouldnt tell lies why did we disintergrate over the last few months as for the 750k liieing is not quite right he led everybody to believe that he had purchased shares in the Club but it turned out to be a loan. Quite frankly I dont care what reason he did it for or if the whole thing was planned or not I just hope nothing goes wrong this time and he gets the investor he keeps telling us is waiting .

Why there all this talk of 'due dilligence'?

This is Mostyn's third bid, and he ran the club for 12 months so surely he above all the 'bidders' should know already what's what.

Is this some form of admission that the previous bids weren't properly thought through or that during his previous tenure of the club he didn't know what was going on?

Noel wrote:
Why there all this talk of 'due dilligence'? This is Mostyn's third bid, and he ran the club for 12 months so surely he above all the 'bidders' should know already what's what. Is this some form of admission that the previous bids weren't properly thought through or that during his previous tenure of the club he didn't know what was going on?

good point Whats the answer Evening Echo?

Or at least ask the question Go on I dare you

I do not profess to be an expert on any of this, but can someone explain to me why Jeff Mostyn has to do due dilliegence when he has been running the club for over twelve months, one would assume that he carried out due dilligence prior to his first take over last in March 07, seems very strange to me as he must have a full understanding of the club as he put the club into administration, so he would have all of the information at that stage, I find this very strange

Mostyn is to DEVISIVE and it would seem somewhat delusional?

How can he make statements like this when he is suppose to be carrying Due Dilligence and does not own the club? What is going on with Krasner and JM , it all looks far to cosy!

Does this mans ego need feeding every day for him to be in the news. Why has he not been able to close a deal, does he want to be head cheese all the time, tail wagging the dog maybe??

Honest Joe wrote:
If Mostyn (Chairman of the Board) is such a generous benefactor then why did he not pay HMRC the money AFCB owed? (Taxpayers money) If Mostyn had paid we would not have gone into administration, lost ten points and now are in Div 2! Mostyn could have held off the other creditors until the end of season and then decide to go into administration, we would then still be in Div 1 and have all season to pull back 10 deducted points. Was our future mapped out long ago and resulted in the club being worth a lot less for purchase???

EXACTLY

i fully agree with your points im of the opinion that if mr Mostyn had been as free with his money pre administration as he has been recently we still would be a league one club,yes it could be argued that early season form cost us but if we had not had the 10 point deduction we would have finished on more points than last season (o6/07)

i accept some people will question my thoughts yes i am pleased that mr Mostyn saved our club from liquidation, my whole thoughts are why he could not have done all this investment pre administration

Oh, for God's sake, what planet do people live on?? We were in debt to tune of 5 million plus before Mostyn arrived, how does anyone think we could have avoided admin, plus fact we needed to get back control of catering, shop, bars etc. Mostyn could have paid HMRC, what about the rest of debt? 6 months time, another creditor would have lined up court date to shut us down. What sheep we have as fans sometimes.

Matt wrote:
NO to Anderton!!! Did you see him in our last few games? He doesn't care. His set pieces have gone awful, which is one of the main reasons for having him. Hollands, and Bartley are must haves. Gowling I wouldn't mind if he left to be honest.

Take it you werent at Walsall then?

Matt wrote:
NO to Anderton!!! Did you see him in our last few games? He doesn't care. His set pieces have gone awful, which is one of the main reasons for having him. Hollands, and Bartley are must haves. Gowling I wouldn't mind if he left to be honest.

Take it you werent at Walsall then?
Ot Bristol Rovers home or 90% of games in fact!

How can you base your opinion on him not scoring from a few free kicks!

He passing is sensational and add that to his vision. He has scored a few as well and uses his experience to our advantage.

I don't see the problem in keeping Anderton on a 'pay as you play' basis.

alasdair wrote:
i accept some people will question my thoughts yes i am pleased that mr Mostyn saved our club from liquidation, my whole thoughts are why he could not have done all this investment pre administration

Because we would still be in debt and he may have to part with real money . this way he gets the Club with most if not all debt wiped out and can start from scratch. Not pleasent I know but thats proberbly why.

I don't see the problem in keeping Anderton on a 'pay as you play' basis.

wayne hopkins wrote:
Oh, for God's sake, what planet do people live on?? We were in debt to tune of 5 million plus before Mostyn arrived, how does anyone think we could have avoided admin, plus fact we needed to get back control of catering, shop, bars etc. Mostyn could have paid HMRC, what about the rest of debt? 6 months time, another creditor would have lined up court date to shut us down. What sheep we have as fans sometimes.

To be honest I am surprised he didnt do it sooner. And I agree what would the point be of paying off the HMRC He must have realised thats the best way of getting a winding up order then having to go into administration then getting the Club at a reduced price with no debt Unethical maybe but legal and its what he does now thats important. I would prefer someone else but as a Businessman you cant blame him for looking after his own money first.

Chubbs wrote:

Matt wrote: NO to Anderton!!! Did you see him in our last few games? He doesn't care. His set pieces have gone awful, which is one of the main reasons for having him. Hollands, and Bartley are must haves. Gowling I wouldn't mind if he left to be honest.

Take it you werent at Walsall then? Ot Bristol Rovers home or 90% of games in fact! How can you base your opinion on him not scoring from a few free kicks! He passing is sensational and add that to his vision. He has scored a few as well and uses his experience to our advantage.

I agree with that as well . The only question about Anderton is his fitness he is still a good player but with a small squad Bond should offer him pay if you play

jeff mostyn does NOT own the club ...the club is being run by the administrator until till a bid is made and accepted.

JEFF hasnt even put a bid in why cant you guys see that.

All he has done is lent the club a further 80k against sam vokes being sold.All this does is force krasner to sell sam.

How can Krasner give someone exclutivity when they havnt made an offer for the club ????

Mr perret and co u need to ask questions you really do!!!!

Mr Perret does not know what questions too ask and that is the problem. Not Neils fault that he does not understand Administration or what Mostyn is doing. Ask Mostyn who the guys are that are very wealthy in the wings Neil, please.

The simple answer to everyone is MOSTYN HAS NO MONEY.

HAS HE EVER PUT REAL MONEY INTO OUR CLUB ?????????

IT APPEARS HE WANTS IT ALL BACK.

NOWT WRONG WITH THAT BUT HE WILL NOT GET IT AND UNTIL HE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE STUCK WITH HIS SILLY GAMES.

PUT UP OR CLEAR OFF JEFF WE KNOW YOUR GAME PLAN.

mike clegg wrote:
Mr Perret does not know what questions too ask and that is the problem. Not Neils fault that he does not understand Administration or what Mostyn is doing. Ask Mostyn who the guys are that are very wealthy in the wings Neil, please. The simple answer to everyone is MOSTYN HAS NO MONEY. HAS HE EVER PUT REAL MONEY INTO OUR CLUB ????????? IT APPEARS HE WANTS IT ALL BACK. NOWT WRONG WITH THAT BUT HE WILL NOT GET IT AND UNTIL HE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE STUCK WITH HIS SILLY GAMES. PUT UP OR CLEAR OFF JEFF WE KNOW YOUR GAME PLAN.

are you for real or do you just like to see your name in print, if Mostyn were to walk away we would be out of business within 48 hours, he may not be everyones cup of tea but no sensible person would have taken the club on with all that debt and I would include you in that section, if you have more money than Mostyn I am sure he would welcome you into his plans, please just for once give someone the benefit of the doubt and either put up or shut up

mike clegg wrote:
Mr Perret does not know what questions too ask and that is the problem. Not Neils fault that he does not understand Administration or what Mostyn is doing. Ask Mostyn who the guys are that are very wealthy in the wings Neil, please. The simple answer to everyone is MOSTYN HAS NO MONEY. HAS HE EVER PUT REAL MONEY INTO OUR CLUB ????????? IT APPEARS HE WANTS IT ALL BACK. NOWT WRONG WITH THAT BUT HE WILL NOT GET IT AND UNTIL HE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE STUCK WITH HIS SILLY GAMES. PUT UP OR CLEAR OFF JEFF WE KNOW YOUR GAME PLAN.

Has he ever put real money in?? Well without his money we would have no football club to support, simple!

He has been the only person to put his money where his mouth his and for that gets my total support and i would of thought alot of other fans support too.

Us going into administration has been inevitable for years now and was probably prolonged for too long. You cant run a business at a loss for so long without doing something about. Just because its a football club Mike, doesnt mean its any different to any other business in how its run. If you owned a business that was losing money hand over fist! Going into admin has given us the chance to change things and get contracts back that we need, i.e catering and club shop and has also cleared a considerable amount of our debt.

Jeff hasnt got millions spare or we wouldnt of gone into admin, but why should Jeff put MILLIONS and MILLIONS INTO THE CLUB TO CLEAR DEBT HE HASNT ACCUMULATED.

We now have a chance to start a fresh so that we can start to build a real business!

If you say in your post put or clear off jeff, you must prefer to club then as if hadnt put more than once lately we would have no club left!

Have you got funding for AFCB then Mike?

John, how do you know if Mostyn walked away that we would be out of business ? Did Mostyn say that their was a wealthy guy waiting in the wings ? if Mostyn is correct and you seem to believe every word he says , then let these guys come forward . It appears that they won`t why he is playing his silly games . IN - OUT - IN - OUT does he Mostyn really know what he is doing ? Past record says NO ..

Yes he has put money in but so did hundreds of creditors and past chairmen they will not get their money back but Jeff want`s his back . HE WOULD WALK TOMORROW IF SOMEONE GAVE HIM £500K . Why do you think he keeps hanging around. Go on say he loves the club his club , never !

Jeff did accumulate some of the debt , ask the creditors who HE never paid. He ran the business like a schoolboy and never stuck to the Budgets. Where have you been hiding have you forgot already his past or do you just not like the truth like your friend Jeff.

We are in Div 2 with NO future finances from new people and we all know Jeff and co have been searching for a rich man for 15 months or more and failed. Like him or not Jeff can not and will not take our club forward , sorry.

All i want to know and everybody seems to avoid the question DID JEFF MOSTYN STATE THAT THERE WAS SOME WEALTHY PEOPLE WAITING IN THE BACKGROND TO TAKE THE CLUB OVER ? Could someone please explain this because i am confused and i want our club to be in good hands.

No i have no money but i will buy my season ticket if Jeff goes and allows a mega rich new owner in without using his blackmail tactics .

I said he is the reason we still have a club, he put money up to keep us going when no one else would. What you fail to understand is, that as a business we are not a good proposition, he is trying to get further investors because he is not a super wealthy man but he's trying and alot would be intrested then take one look at our books and get put off!

If someone gave him 500k, whose that going to be?? He wont get any money back and thats simple.

I havent been hiding anyway, go to all home games and 75% of away as I am loyal. I dont not buy tickets cause of who is incharge of my club like you!

No mega rich owners coming to but us mate so guess we wont be seeing you at DC, no great loss there then by reading your comments above!

jacko6uk wrote:
jeff mostyn does NOT own the club ...the club is being run by the administrator until till a bid is made and accepted. JEFF hasnt even put a bid in why cant you guys see that. All he has done is lent the club a further 80k against sam vokes being sold.All this does is force krasner to sell sam. How can Krasner give someone exclutivity when they havnt made an offer for the club ???? Mr perret and co u need to ask questions you really do!!!!

What is the relationship bewtween Mostyn and Krasner for him to be able to make these statements about a club he does NOT own?

Why does Perrit give the guy a platform to make these inflammatory statements.

What game is Mostyn playing and where is the Ace up his sleeve?

Does he have real money is he a chancer?

mike clegg wrote:
John, how do you know if Mostyn walked away that we would be out of business ? Did Mostyn say that their was a wealthy guy waiting in the wings ? if Mostyn is correct and you seem to believe every word he says , then let these guys come forward . It appears that they won`t why he is playing his silly games . IN - OUT - IN - OUT does he Mostyn really know what he is doing ? Past record says NO .. Yes he has put money in but so did hundreds of creditors and past chairmen they will not get their money back but Jeff want`s his back . HE WOULD WALK TOMORROW IF SOMEONE GAVE HIM £500K . Why do you think he keeps hanging around. Go on say he loves the club his club , never ! Jeff did accumulate some of the debt , ask the creditors who HE never paid. He ran the business like a schoolboy and never stuck to the Budgets. Where have you been hiding have you forgot already his past or do you just not like the truth like your friend Jeff. We are in Div 2 with NO future finances from new people and we all know Jeff and co have been searching for a rich man for 15 months or more and failed. Like him or not Jeff can not and will not take our club forward , sorry. All i want to know and everybody seems to avoid the question DID JEFF MOSTYN STATE THAT THERE WAS SOME WEALTHY PEOPLE WAITING IN THE BACKGROND TO TAKE THE CLUB OVER ? Could someone please explain this because i am confused and i want our club to be in good hands. No i have no money but i will buy my season ticket if Jeff goes and allows a mega rich new owner in without using his blackmail tactics .

Mike I am sorry you appear to be on another planet, the bulk of this debt was incurred before Mostyn took control, even someone as rich as Ambraomitch(sorry about the spelling)at Chelsea took on a debt of over 200 million he has never paid it and the debt is even bigger because it is throwing his money down the drain, anyone who wanted to buy the club have had their chance but they all pulled out Mostyn did not even have a bid in place, if previous chairmen had not incurred this level of debt Mostyns 750000 would have seen the club okay, but to have taken it out in shares would have only been wasted, the money that he is putting into the club to keep it alive he will not get back, and we should be grateful he has done so, I am not saying that I have not had issues regarding communication with him but we have to look forward, regarding wealthy people he did state that there are people more wealthy than me, but the whole point is they have not come forward

i totaly agree with you john. this club would have closed if it was not for j.m

Thanks John, agree with some of your comments but not all. How do we know if Mostyn put any money in , he would not pay to have the accounts audited ? If he did put any money in he covered it with a debenture didn`t he ? and as he not stipulated that if anyone came in he want`s his debenture money plus what he gave Krasner and then of course there is the latest £80k.

Please explain what i am missing John ? Others have lost thousands including ex players but Mostyn wants his back , right or wrong ?

If any new potential buyer only had to pay the preferred creditors would that not be a more better chance of getting the people in the wings ( mega rich) Jeffs words , to move in ?

Please excuse my reasoning but i am not a accountant just a fan who wants new blood and a new start not this same old sad person with a big ego. Sorry Jeff you tried and failed ( div 2)minus ? and no money plus very few friends. That reminds me where do the Trust stand at the moment are they backing good old Jeff ?

It is clear that JM for all his faults has put money into the Club to keep us going as for taking the Club forward I donk know . But as Chubbs and John Coombes say he is all we have at the moment . I think it is fair to say that JM is protecting whatever funds (large or small) he has put into the Club and frankly I dont blame him for that. I do believe however that Supporters of this Club are within their rights to ask qustions about what is going on. I do wish JM would give it a rest about all these so called potential investor he has lined up ,he has been saying that for 2 Years and so far nothing has materialised . That as far as I am concerned no different than the Mystery Midlands businessman that the Echo were throwing into the frame. I am giving Mostyn the benifit of the doubt and I do recognise that he has put funds in (and it may be secured against Players being sold but I dont know ) and we are still going. The mystery investors from both sides of the argument have never materialised before during or after Mostyns reign. so until they become real I assume that its yet another fantasy. Without serious investment this Club will not survive for long So I hope that JM has either a real plan or is stalling until he can find a partner or aeven another buyer who has real money. Jeff says he wants to take the Club out of Administration and take the Club forward. If he has financial backing maybe he can do it but actions speak louder than words and whats worries me more than anything is the false promises of the past . To be fair all this misinformation could be cleared up if Krassner was more open and Jeff made some kind of indication as to what his plans for the Club are. I still get a sneaky feeling that something is going on and we will be ok

Well said Kevvo !

Can you clear up the Trusts position in all this ?

mike clegg wrote:
Well said Kevvo ! Can you clear up the Trusts position in all this ?

No idea what the trust are up to one would assume that they have a view as they were according to the Echo involved with Mostyns rival bidder but that can be taken with a pinch of salt because as we all found out the Man that cant walk away didnt even bid which in itself suggest that there is more to this than meets the eye. No I really havnt got a clue what if anything the Supporters trust thinks about all this

A surprise wrote:
Mike you muppet do you not read what he just said. He can talk to the players but nothing can be done until we are out of administration. I am sure Mr Mostyns legal team would be interested in you calling him a liar with no proof. The guy has admitted he may not be the best person but he is the only person you fool so stop and think before you spout of stuff you have no idea what you are talking about. The main focus is to get out of administration and try to keep as many of the out of contract players as we can and we need to sign 2 or 3 as well.

Dunno who the muppet is, you aren't out of administration yet, AND, if HMRC have their way, you'll be doing a Leeds if what Mawhinney has been saying