Gosling on target on debut as Exeter seen off in League Cup first round

DELIGHT: Adam Smith and Junior Stanislas celebrate at St James's Park this evening

DELIGHT: Adam Smith and Junior Stanislas celebrate at St James's Park this evening

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HOW times have changed for Cherries as their cup continues to runneth over in 2014.

The quality of Eddie Howe’s squad was highlighted by the fact the manager could afford to make 11 changes to his starting line-up for this League Cup first round tie.

Despite the wholesale reshuffle, Cherries produced another top-drawer display of free-flowing and possession football to follow up their emphatic win at Huddersfield on Saturday.

It was a far cry from a second-round clash at Wigan in 2005 when Sean O’Driscoll assembled what he described as his “waifs and strays”, with only four subs named.

And a threadbare squad at Northampton in the JPT in October 2009 saw twice-retired assistant manager Jason Tindall pressed into service due to an acute injury crisis.

Howe and Tindall looked on from the sidelines at St James’s Park tonight as their class of 2014 eased into the second round more convincingly than the 2-0 scoreline would suggest.

An own goal from Scot Bennett and a strike from Dan Gosling were all Cherries had to show for their almost-total domination against the League Two outfit.

New signings Gosling and Junior Stanislas were joined in the starting line-up by academy product Baily Cargill as Howe handed debuts to three players.

Cherries enjoyed long periods of possession in the opening period as the home side was forced to chase shadows. And even when the Grecians did manage to smuggle the ball from Cherries, the visitors’ quick pressing made it impossible for them to gain a foot-hold.

Cherries carved out the first shooting chance after 10 minutes when Brett Pitman lifted Ian Harte’s corner over the top from the edge of the box.

Christy Pym was called upon to make a fine save after 21 minutes, the Exeter goalkeeper blocking at his near post after Ryan Fraser had taken aim.

Cherries sliced open the Exeter defence as the diminutive Scotsman and Gosling traded passes before Pym stood tall to beat away Fraser’s shot from a tight angle.

Shaun MacDonald tried his luck with a long-range effort which sailed over the crossbar, with Cherries going close to breaking the deadlock midway through the first half.

Exeter were again outfoxed by Cherries’ slick movement, a delightful cushioned pass from Tokelo Rantie finding Stanislas.

But despite leaving his marker Pat Baldwin for dead with a drop of the shoulder, Stanislas curled his shot against the base of the upright with Pym well beaten.

Pym denied Pitman with a smart save after the striker had blasted a right-foot piledriver towards goal before Stanislas’s free-kick flashed narrowly past the post.

Although Pym was finally beaten when Ward climbed to meet Harte’s 37th-minute corner, defender Bennett saved the day by hacking the ball off the line.

And Baldwin was also rewarded for some solid defending when he blocked Fraser’s drive following a great move started by MacDonald’s wonderful pass to Stanislas.

As a Cherries-dominated first half drew to a close, Rantie’s goalbound shot struck a defender and flew past the post before Pitman’s 25-yarder just cleared the crossbar.

Cherries were almost caught cold at the start of the second half when Exeter fashioned their first noteworthy chance of the contest through Matt Grimes.

But despite latching on to a Tom Nichols flick, the striker, who found himself in plenty of space, fluffed his lines when his hurried effort sailed wide.

David Wheeler saw his effort from a tight angle flash across the face of the goalmouth before the deadlock was broken seven minutes into the second half.

The luckless Bennett looked on helplessly as Stanislas’s driven cross to the far post struck him on the shin and trickled past Pym into the back of the net.

It was no more than Cherries had deserved – a reward for their supremacy – but still tough on the hosts who had defended like Trojans in the face of incessant pressure.

As the Grecians went in search of an equaliser, a shot by Nichols fizzed past the post before Rantie was thwarted by Pym’s excellent one-handed save after the South Africa international had been slipped in by Fraser.

Cherries doubled their lead after 73 minutes when Gosling was on hand to ram home the loose ball from close range after another cross from Stanislas had caused problems for the Exeter defence.

Jimmy Keohane squandered a presentable opportunity to grab a consolation for the hosts late on when he fired wide when well placed before Matt Ritchie’s curler in injury-time crept past the upright.

Cherries: Flahavan, Smith, Cargill, Ward, Harte, Fraser (Arter, 75), MacDonald, Gosling, Stanislas (Ritchie, 89), Rantie (Wilson, 75), Pitman.

Unused subs: Francis, Kermorgant, McCarthy, Buchel (g/k).

Booked: Arter.

Grecians: Pym, Wheeler (Dawson, 74), Tillson, Bennett, Baldwin, Woodman (Riley-Lowe, 60), Davies (Oakley, h-t), Butterfield, Grimes, Keohane, Nichols.

Unused subs: Jay, Pope, Watkins, Hamon (g/k). 

Booked: Bennett.

Attendance: 2,648 (including 735 away supporters).

Referee: Andy Davies (Hampshire).

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9:53pm Tue 12 Aug 14

TedMacsCherryPants says...

Well done boys, it was never going to be easy, 2nd round here we go!
Also well done dev squad, Brentford 1 Cherries 10
& on & on!! &on & on &on!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done boys, it was never going to be easy, 2nd round here we go! Also well done dev squad, Brentford 1 Cherries 10 & on & on!! &on & on &on!!!!!!!!!!! TedMacsCherryPants
  • Score: 14

10:15pm Tue 12 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

Arter on after 75 mins, then booked with us cruising. give it a break Harry.
Arter on after 75 mins, then booked with us cruising. give it a break Harry. holdinkæft
  • Score: 18

10:30pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Doddler says...

So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way! Doddler
  • Score: 117

10:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

Reading the match report here makes me so proud of what we have at the club a superb squad of players assembled by Eddie Howe ,yes stern tests ahead and we must remember this ,however we all can dare to dream maybe just maybe the team may have an extra week to prepare for next season given the strength of the squad ,long gone are the dark days at dean court !

UTCIADS
Reading the match report here makes me so proud of what we have at the club a superb squad of players assembled by Eddie Howe ,yes stern tests ahead and we must remember this ,however we all can dare to dream maybe just maybe the team may have an extra week to prepare for next season given the strength of the squad ,long gone are the dark days at dean court ! UTCIADS alasdair1967
  • Score: 19

10:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Afcbpete says...

Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
You're absolutely right with regards Tokelo. He sounded as though he was far more effective than some others, and came close to scoring. I don't hear anyone slating Brett, neither am I by the way, but why single TK out?? It didn't sound as though we played as well as the article says, but then I wasn't there. We're through, which is the main thing, it was precious game time for this eleven as well. The one thing I was disappointed with, was TK not being given the last 10 minutes with Wilson, but Hey HO!! UTCIAD
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]You're absolutely right with regards Tokelo. He sounded as though he was far more effective than some others, and came close to scoring. I don't hear anyone slating Brett, neither am I by the way, but why single TK out?? It didn't sound as though we played as well as the article says, but then I wasn't there. We're through, which is the main thing, it was precious game time for this eleven as well. The one thing I was disappointed with, was TK not being given the last 10 minutes with Wilson, but Hey HO!! UTCIAD Afcbpete
  • Score: 31

10:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Afcbpete says...

Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
You're absolutely right with regards Tokelo. He sounded as though he was far more effective than some others, and came close to scoring. I don't hear anyone slating Brett, neither am I by the way, but why single TK out?? It didn't sound as though we played as well as the article says, but then I wasn't there. We're through, which is the main thing, it was precious game time for this eleven as well. The one thing I was disappointed with, was TK not being given the last 10 minutes with Wilson, but Hey HO!! UTCIAD
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]You're absolutely right with regards Tokelo. He sounded as though he was far more effective than some others, and came close to scoring. I don't hear anyone slating Brett, neither am I by the way, but why single TK out?? It didn't sound as though we played as well as the article says, but then I wasn't there. We're through, which is the main thing, it was precious game time for this eleven as well. The one thing I was disappointed with, was TK not being given the last 10 minutes with Wilson, but Hey HO!! UTCIAD Afcbpete
  • Score: 5

11:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

All's well...!

...(and i won enough for a couple of away tickets!!).

Up the Cherries!

What a great start to the season!

Well done men!
All's well...! ...(and i won enough for a couple of away tickets!!). Up the Cherries! What a great start to the season! Well done men! St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 6

11:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
Too many racists in footall crowds.
you can hear them each week.
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]Too many racists in footall crowds. you can hear them each week. holdinkæft
  • Score: -14

1:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

ASM says...

well done dan gosling for finding the net on his debut, that has been something people say all the time, that we don't have goals coming from centre midfield.
I think Eddie will keep rotating our excellent squad and as we saw last season every player will get a decent amount of games. The only player who we haven't seen too much of is Adam Smith, but that must go down to Francis' form (winning player of the year).
Great start to the season UTC
well done dan gosling for finding the net on his debut, that has been something people say all the time, that we don't have goals coming from centre midfield. I think Eddie will keep rotating our excellent squad and as we saw last season every player will get a decent amount of games. The only player who we haven't seen too much of is Adam Smith, but that must go down to Francis' form (winning player of the year). Great start to the season UTC ASM
  • Score: 6

1:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

YafcbY says...

Nights like this leave me thinking...
...if only we could bring Steve Fletcher on!!! :-D
Nights like this leave me thinking... ...if only we could bring Steve Fletcher on!!! :-D YafcbY
  • Score: -12

3:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

RichGo says...

ASM wrote:
well done dan gosling for finding the net on his debut, that has been something people say all the time, that we don't have goals coming from centre midfield.
I think Eddie will keep rotating our excellent squad and as we saw last season every player will get a decent amount of games. The only player who we haven't seen too much of is Adam Smith, but that must go down to Francis' form (winning player of the year).
Great start to the season UTC
But Adam Smith played a full match v Exeter! No less visible than Ward, McDonald, Gosling and all the others tonight.
[quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: well done dan gosling for finding the net on his debut, that has been something people say all the time, that we don't have goals coming from centre midfield. I think Eddie will keep rotating our excellent squad and as we saw last season every player will get a decent amount of games. The only player who we haven't seen too much of is Adam Smith, but that must go down to Francis' form (winning player of the year). Great start to the season UTC[/p][/quote]But Adam Smith played a full match v Exeter! No less visible than Ward, McDonald, Gosling and all the others tonight. RichGo
  • Score: 1

7:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

susi.m says...

holdinkæft wrote:
Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
Too many racists in footall crowds.
you can hear them each week.
Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all.
[quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]Too many racists in footall crowds. you can hear them each week.[/p][/quote]Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all. susi.m
  • Score: 22

7:42am Wed 13 Aug 14

ParkstonePete says...

Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
Being one of the 735 I feel I can comment.

Whilst it is indefensible to make any personal comments regarding TK it is completely defensible to say he is simply not up to playing for AFCB on current form and ability.

Sadly, TK is Eddie's biggest mistake as manager.

I really hope the young man turns it around but it seems to me that he is not mentally tough enough to cut it at this level. When ever he is interviewed it always seems to focus on the fact that he is so far from "home". Bournemouth has always been a long way from South Africa so why did he sign for us?

Step up TK please prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]Being one of the 735 I feel I can comment. Whilst it is indefensible to make any personal comments regarding TK it is completely defensible to say he is simply not up to playing for AFCB on current form and ability. Sadly, TK is Eddie's biggest mistake as manager. I really hope the young man turns it around but it seems to me that he is not mentally tough enough to cut it at this level. When ever he is interviewed it always seems to focus on the fact that he is so far from "home". Bournemouth has always been a long way from South Africa so why did he sign for us? Step up TK please prove me wrong. ParkstonePete
  • Score: -1

8:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

Doddler says...

susi.m wrote:
holdinkæft wrote:
Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
Too many racists in footall crowds.
you can hear them each week.
Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all.
Sadly, Susi.m that has not been my recent experience. At the Swansea game I was unfortunate enough to be a few rows in front of someone who had a lot of negative comments to say (loudly) about TK. I'm not saying they were racist, but they were certainly far more negative about him than was appropriate. All I'm saying is that there is a moderate and kindly way of saying that we believe that a player could do better - and what I read on the blog last night was neither balanced nor kind.
[quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]Too many racists in footall crowds. you can hear them each week.[/p][/quote]Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all.[/p][/quote]Sadly, Susi.m that has not been my recent experience. At the Swansea game I was unfortunate enough to be a few rows in front of someone who had a lot of negative comments to say (loudly) about TK. I'm not saying they were racist, but they were certainly far more negative about him than was appropriate. All I'm saying is that there is a moderate and kindly way of saying that we believe that a player could do better - and what I read on the blog last night was neither balanced nor kind. Doddler
  • Score: 5

8:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

ifordcherry says...

Parkstone Pete you must of watched a different game to me last night and i would think that Eddie Howe might well disagree with you as well..Ok Rantie didn`t score but nearly all of the link up play between the midfield and the forwards went through him...He holds the ball and brings others into the equation and that is needed with the type of football we play....One last comment "thank god you ain`t the manager" !!
Parkstone Pete you must of watched a different game to me last night and i would think that Eddie Howe might well disagree with you as well..Ok Rantie didn`t score but nearly all of the link up play between the midfield and the forwards went through him...He holds the ball and brings others into the equation and that is needed with the type of football we play....One last comment "thank god you ain`t the manager" !! ifordcherry
  • Score: 15

9:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

gtd says...

I think the criticism of TK stems from disappointment rather than malice; had he arrived on a free like Stanislas or Gosling, or for a small sum like Brett, we'd be quite pleased, but as he cost a small fortune we are entitled to feel very disappointed.
Callum Wilson on he other hand.....
I think the criticism of TK stems from disappointment rather than malice; had he arrived on a free like Stanislas or Gosling, or for a small sum like Brett, we'd be quite pleased, but as he cost a small fortune we are entitled to feel very disappointed. Callum Wilson on he other hand..... gtd
  • Score: 10

9:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

Afcbpete says...

ifordcherry wrote:
Parkstone Pete you must of watched a different game to me last night and i would think that Eddie Howe might well disagree with you as well..Ok Rantie didn`t score but nearly all of the link up play between the midfield and the forwards went through him...He holds the ball and brings others into the equation and that is needed with the type of football we play....One last comment "thank god you ain`t the manager" !!
I wasn't there, but from listening to Silent, it sounded as though TK was causing mayhem as usual up front, where as I didn't hear Brett's name mentioned too much. TK from the sounds of it, had his chances, it's just a shame he can't buy a goal or two at the moment, but it will come. As you rightly say, he does so much more besides anyway, he's a real thorn in the side of defenders, and sets up other people. Far too many just see a sizeable transfer fee, and not at the good he does!! UTCIAD
[quote][p][bold]ifordcherry[/bold] wrote: Parkstone Pete you must of watched a different game to me last night and i would think that Eddie Howe might well disagree with you as well..Ok Rantie didn`t score but nearly all of the link up play between the midfield and the forwards went through him...He holds the ball and brings others into the equation and that is needed with the type of football we play....One last comment "thank god you ain`t the manager" !![/p][/quote]I wasn't there, but from listening to Silent, it sounded as though TK was causing mayhem as usual up front, where as I didn't hear Brett's name mentioned too much. TK from the sounds of it, had his chances, it's just a shame he can't buy a goal or two at the moment, but it will come. As you rightly say, he does so much more besides anyway, he's a real thorn in the side of defenders, and sets up other people. Far too many just see a sizeable transfer fee, and not at the good he does!! UTCIAD Afcbpete
  • Score: 18

10:01am Wed 13 Aug 14

CSeat80 says...

I gave up on the Cherries blog . Too much drivel by individuals who were not at the game. TK was a target off some.

Considering the input was supposed to have been via a moderator I was surprised at the inane comments.
I gave up on the Cherries blog . Too much drivel by individuals who were not at the game. TK was a target off some. Considering the input was supposed to have been via a moderator I was surprised at the inane comments. CSeat80
  • Score: 7

10:04am Wed 13 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

Re the TK debate.

If he is struggling or improving, I don't know (To get such a positive objectivity by fans that were there will do for me. What I do know is, just at this moment in our history, we are able to carry a few faithfuls along at the moment (who may or may not be performing).

EH is a top manager and therefore when the big matches come along, in the league, we will know our best players, playing at their own personal best and the best fit at that particular time. In Eddie we trust and therefore if we had a little squad then the TK and McQ debate would really matter.

At this moment cometh the moment cometh the man applies, we have that choice, the great thing is that all the squad have to stay in from for as long as possible or they will, to put it simply, be left at home. It's a great place for a manager to find himself in and the management deserve praise.

It's still early doors for our club but I can't help but be excited!
Re the TK debate. If he is struggling or improving, I don't know (To get such a positive objectivity by fans that were there will do for me. What I do know is, just at this moment in our history, we are able to carry a few faithfuls along at the moment (who may or may not be performing). EH is a top manager and therefore when the big matches come along, in the league, we will know our best players, playing at their own personal best and the best fit at that particular time. In Eddie we trust and therefore if we had a little squad then the TK and McQ debate would really matter. At this moment cometh the moment cometh the man applies, we have that choice, the great thing is that all the squad have to stay in from for as long as possible or they will, to put it simply, be left at home. It's a great place for a manager to find himself in and the management deserve praise. It's still early doors for our club but I can't help but be excited! St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 14

10:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

from-form
from-form St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 0

10:13am Wed 13 Aug 14

Local fan says...

Bring on Brentford! Well done development squad for an amazing score their place.
Bring on Brentford! Well done development squad for an amazing score their place. Local fan
  • Score: 5

10:16am Wed 13 Aug 14

TedMacsCherryPants says...

We can argue about TK & Brett all day long but until injury or suspension strikes Yann & Callum are the first choice strike pair and their goal record so far guarantees their places. Willo had Shaun Mac and Ryan Fraser marked up as highlights of last night, Stanislas also sounded a handful and Brett had quite a few shots.
I’d stick my neck out on what I’ve seen so far and predict that Wilson will beat Grabban’s goal tally this season ….
…. and no I don’t want to bet a season ticket on it Raybren ;-} ….
…..but then again??????
We can argue about TK & Brett all day long but until injury or suspension strikes Yann & Callum are the first choice strike pair and their goal record so far guarantees their places. Willo had Shaun Mac and Ryan Fraser marked up as highlights of last night, Stanislas also sounded a handful and Brett had quite a few shots. I’d stick my neck out on what I’ve seen so far and predict that Wilson will beat Grabban’s goal tally this season …. …. and no I don’t want to bet a season ticket on it Raybren ;-} …. …..but then again?????? TedMacsCherryPants
  • Score: 3

10:33am Wed 13 Aug 14

Solentcherry says...

Well done lads, second round draw here we come. COYC.
A YEAR on here we go again with the debate over TK.
He has lots of fans passionately defending him and who won't accept any criticism of him......"he'll come good in time......needs to settle in.... Long way from home......changes in playing style......he'll prove the doubters wrong......etc...etc
."
Then there are those who question his goal scoring ability from what they have seen in the past year and live in patient hope that he will indeed "come good" and adapt to the standard required in the championship.
All are fans who want the best for their club.
What I would like to see is the TK defenders actually EXPLAIN why they have the faith and belief that he will suddenly come good after a year and how this is going to happen ,rather than just tut tut and give a thumbs down to any fan who may, quite rightly ,dare to express an alternative opinion.
Personally, I just now accept him as a "mix it up" player, rather than the GOAL SCORER we thought we were getting.
Ps. Wasn't Sweden a long way from home?
Well done lads, second round draw here we come. COYC. A YEAR on here we go again with the debate over TK. He has lots of fans passionately defending him and who won't accept any criticism of him......"he'll come good in time......needs to settle in.... Long way from home......changes in playing style......he'll prove the doubters wrong......etc...etc ." Then there are those who question his goal scoring ability from what they have seen in the past year and live in patient hope that he will indeed "come good" and adapt to the standard required in the championship. All are fans who want the best for their club. What I would like to see is the TK defenders actually EXPLAIN why they have the faith and belief that he will suddenly come good after a year and how this is going to happen ,rather than just tut tut and give a thumbs down to any fan who may, quite rightly ,dare to express an alternative opinion. Personally, I just now accept him as a "mix it up" player, rather than the GOAL SCORER we thought we were getting. Ps. Wasn't Sweden a long way from home? Solentcherry
  • Score: 4

10:46am Wed 13 Aug 14

devon fan says...

ParkstonePete wrote:
Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
Being one of the 735 I feel I can comment.

Whilst it is indefensible to make any personal comments regarding TK it is completely defensible to say he is simply not up to playing for AFCB on current form and ability.

Sadly, TK is Eddie's biggest mistake as manager.

I really hope the young man turns it around but it seems to me that he is not mentally tough enough to cut it at this level. When ever he is interviewed it always seems to focus on the fact that he is so far from "home". Bournemouth has always been a long way from South Africa so why did he sign for us?

Step up TK please prove me wrong.
Tokelo is finding it difficult at the moment , when he has the space to turn and run he looks exciting, but last night when the ball came to him in a restricted area he found it hard to hold on to the ball and was too often brushed aside easily, his awareness of other players positions is not good, but having said that all he may need is to score a couple of goals and his game could change, it is adilema for the manager if he insist on a rotation policy does he bring Tokelo in to replace a player who might be in top form, I would like to say how comfortable Bailly Cargill looked he could be the find of the season
[quote][p][bold]ParkstonePete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]Being one of the 735 I feel I can comment. Whilst it is indefensible to make any personal comments regarding TK it is completely defensible to say he is simply not up to playing for AFCB on current form and ability. Sadly, TK is Eddie's biggest mistake as manager. I really hope the young man turns it around but it seems to me that he is not mentally tough enough to cut it at this level. When ever he is interviewed it always seems to focus on the fact that he is so far from "home". Bournemouth has always been a long way from South Africa so why did he sign for us? Step up TK please prove me wrong.[/p][/quote]Tokelo is finding it difficult at the moment , when he has the space to turn and run he looks exciting, but last night when the ball came to him in a restricted area he found it hard to hold on to the ball and was too often brushed aside easily, his awareness of other players positions is not good, but having said that all he may need is to score a couple of goals and his game could change, it is adilema for the manager if he insist on a rotation policy does he bring Tokelo in to replace a player who might be in top form, I would like to say how comfortable Bailly Cargill looked he could be the find of the season devon fan
  • Score: 3

11:02am Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

mot one sided game ive seen for a lone time......i cant beleive some of the "fringe players weent bustin a gut to prove themslves apart from 3 or 4 the others showed nothing. Smith was woeful and TK was a waste of space,come on son show some balls, he looked slow and of the pace, in a gam that was played at a standstill anyway. It was proved what youcan do when Callum came on for 10 mins and injected some lif into the game with 3 or 4 geat runs. There was no atmosphere. aweful opposition and a tea bar that was sold out of hotdogs at 6.45 !!! appart from that it was a pleasant evening.....
mot one sided game ive seen for a lone time......i cant beleive some of the "fringe players weent bustin a gut to prove themslves apart from 3 or 4 the others showed nothing. Smith was woeful and TK was a waste of space,come on son show some balls, he looked slow and of the pace, in a gam that was played at a standstill anyway. It was proved what youcan do when Callum came on for 10 mins and injected some lif into the game with 3 or 4 geat runs. There was no atmosphere. aweful opposition and a tea bar that was sold out of hotdogs at 6.45 !!! appart from that it was a pleasant evening..... AfcbBlues
  • Score: -12

11:28am Wed 13 Aug 14

Noel. says...

As someone who was there last night I can say the criticism of TK is not deserved. He made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces at times with his speed (as did Junior and Fraser and Wilson). I almost get the feeling that for some elements of our support it's become fashionable to criticize TK, almost a proof of their 'manhood'.

He was a little unlucky with the second goal that Gosling beat him to the rebound, partly because Dan was facing the goal and it dropped at his feet rather than having to run across the goal as TK did. A couple of yards closer to him and TK would have got it.

The comparisons with Boyer and Mac are spot on.

The game last night was comfortable for us and barely got in to second gear. If there was a problem it was that it was too easy, and apart from the opening of the second half when they came out all rev'ed up they hardly got the ball in our box all night and when they did they shot wide. OK it's only after one game but we are top of the Championship and they are mid-table League 2 and it showed.

I was also particularly impressed with Cargill (to add to his pre-season showings), Junior and Harte was Mr Dependable as always. The other lads were pretty good as well.
As someone who was there last night I can say the criticism of TK is not deserved. He made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces at times with his speed (as did Junior and Fraser and Wilson). I almost get the feeling that for some elements of our support it's become fashionable to criticize TK, almost a proof of their 'manhood'. He was a little unlucky with the second goal that Gosling beat him to the rebound, partly because Dan was facing the goal and it dropped at his feet rather than having to run across the goal as TK did. A couple of yards closer to him and TK would have got it. The comparisons with Boyer and Mac are spot on. The game last night was comfortable for us and barely got in to second gear. If there was a problem it was that it was too easy, and apart from the opening of the second half when they came out all rev'ed up they hardly got the ball in our box all night and when they did they shot wide. OK it's only after one game but we are top of the Championship and they are mid-table League 2 and it showed. I was also particularly impressed with Cargill (to add to his pre-season showings), Junior and Harte was Mr Dependable as always. The other lads were pretty good as well. Noel.
  • Score: 8

11:47am Wed 13 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

Great debate gents!

I am stuck in Scotland until Saturday... I think it's all good. I do believe you should be able to criticise both negatively and positively if it's truly informed or (even) gut opinion.

We are a popular team that's grown upwards, as such if TK and others don't fit the bill at the end of the season then they will go. If josh returns from Coventry wanting to play for us then bring it on and maybe Eddie will send some of our other hopefuls away on loan rather than lose their potential to competition? Clearly these players have more talent than I ever possessed in their little toes but go they will if they can't cut it...

Great start I want to see how we get on now against Watford, we were so naive last season against them. they have improved their squad like us so that should be a true indicator as to how we are coming along!
Great debate gents! I am stuck in Scotland until Saturday... I think it's all good. I do believe you should be able to criticise both negatively and positively if it's truly informed or (even) gut opinion. We are a popular team that's grown upwards, as such if TK and others don't fit the bill at the end of the season then they will go. If josh returns from Coventry wanting to play for us then bring it on and maybe Eddie will send some of our other hopefuls away on loan rather than lose their potential to competition? Clearly these players have more talent than I ever possessed in their little toes but go they will if they can't cut it... Great start I want to see how we get on now against Watford, we were so naive last season against them. they have improved their squad like us so that should be a true indicator as to how we are coming along! St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 5

11:51am Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing. AfcbBlues
  • Score: -10

12:27pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Noel. says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
Right so you don't like Rantie then?

In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well?

Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value?

Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]Right so you don't like Rantie then? In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well? Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value? Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant? Noel.
  • Score: 7

12:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

The biggest hurdle AFCB will face this season is keeping EH, his thinking and techniques are way beyond Championship level, so the Prem League chairman will come knocking as managers tumble.......
The biggest hurdle AFCB will face this season is keeping EH, his thinking and techniques are way beyond Championship level, so the Prem League chairman will come knocking as managers tumble....... AfcbBlues
  • Score: 4

12:31pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

Noel. wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
Right so you don't like Rantie then?

In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well?

Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value?

Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?
Noel - was you there last night ?
[quote][p][bold]Noel.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]Right so you don't like Rantie then? In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well? Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value? Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?[/p][/quote]Noel - was you there last night ? AfcbBlues
  • Score: -4

12:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
Noel. wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
Right so you don't like Rantie then?

In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well?

Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value?

Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?
Noel - was you there last night ?
Not sure where you get the defenders and goalkeeper remark from? i rated the players as i saw them, and the general consensus of opinion around where we were sitting was pretty much the same......i rated on what i saw last night only. Lets hope Rantie proves me and other wrong but as it stands he aint good enough and he will fall further down the pecking order, as pitman will be the first sub Striker called on before him, if he's not careful.
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noel.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]Right so you don't like Rantie then? In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well? Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value? Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?[/p][/quote]Noel - was you there last night ?[/p][/quote]Not sure where you get the defenders and goalkeeper remark from? i rated the players as i saw them, and the general consensus of opinion around where we were sitting was pretty much the same......i rated on what i saw last night only. Lets hope Rantie proves me and other wrong but as it stands he aint good enough and he will fall further down the pecking order, as pitman will be the first sub Striker called on before him, if he's not careful. AfcbBlues
  • Score: -5

1:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

TedMacsCherryPants says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
Noel. wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
Right so you don't like Rantie then?

In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well?

Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value?

Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?
Noel - was you there last night ?
Not sure where you get the defenders and goalkeeper remark from? i rated the players as i saw them, and the general consensus of opinion around where we were sitting was pretty much the same......i rated on what i saw last night only. Lets hope Rantie proves me and other wrong but as it stands he aint good enough and he will fall further down the pecking order, as pitman will be the first sub Striker called on before him, if he's not careful.
I wasn’t there last night but listened on Cherries Player and I would say from the commentary my perception is much the same as AfcbBlues as to who the better players were.
More importantly Willo (who I believe knows a bit about the game) gave the impression of similar ratings and had Macca up there as worthy of a place on Saturday and perhaps Fraser.
So it sounds like some players need more game time, some need to get fitter, some need to get sharper and some sadly perhaps won’t be able to cut it.
A previous post suggested TK would make a better ‘mix-it-up’ player, food for thought, at least there wouldn’t be the goals expectation as his goals per game ratio is not good for a striker, compared with say Yann or even Callum.
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[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noel.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]Right so you don't like Rantie then? In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well? Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value? Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?[/p][/quote]Noel - was you there last night ?[/p][/quote]Not sure where you get the defenders and goalkeeper remark from? i rated the players as i saw them, and the general consensus of opinion around where we were sitting was pretty much the same......i rated on what i saw last night only. Lets hope Rantie proves me and other wrong but as it stands he aint good enough and he will fall further down the pecking order, as pitman will be the first sub Striker called on before him, if he's not careful.[/p][/quote]I wasn’t there last night but listened on Cherries Player and I would say from the commentary my perception is much the same as AfcbBlues as to who the better players were. More importantly Willo (who I believe knows a bit about the game) gave the impression of similar ratings and had Macca up there as worthy of a place on Saturday and perhaps Fraser. So it sounds like some players need more game time, some need to get fitter, some need to get sharper and some sadly perhaps won’t be able to cut it. A previous post suggested TK would make a better ‘mix-it-up’ player, food for thought, at least there wouldn’t be the goals expectation as his goals per game ratio is not good for a striker, compared with say Yann or even Callum. UTC TedMacsCherryPants
  • Score: 1

2:11pm Wed 13 Aug 14

afcbtintin says...

Doddler wrote:
susi.m wrote:
holdinkæft wrote:
Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
Too many racists in footall crowds.
you can hear them each week.
Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all.
Sadly, Susi.m that has not been my recent experience. At the Swansea game I was unfortunate enough to be a few rows in front of someone who had a lot of negative comments to say (loudly) about TK. I'm not saying they were racist, but they were certainly far more negative about him than was appropriate. All I'm saying is that there is a moderate and kindly way of saying that we believe that a player could do better - and what I read on the blog last night was neither balanced nor kind.
I have never been in the stand he was referring to, but midway through last season a season ticket holder moved (permanently) to behind me because he had had enough of the racist comments he had listened to during the first games of the season.

As far as racist comments that I have heard personally, you only had to be at the coffee bar at half time up at Leicester last season to be in no doubt about some of our fans. Infact when I mentioned it on these pages I was castigated for not challenging them and when I mentioned it was because I a in a wheelchair, I was told in no uncertain terms (probably rightly) that this shouldn't have stopped me.! So for people to suggest that we don't have racists amongst us is sadly blinkered. If nothing else the law of averages would suggest that !

UTCIAD
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]Too many racists in footall crowds. you can hear them each week.[/p][/quote]Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all.[/p][/quote]Sadly, Susi.m that has not been my recent experience. At the Swansea game I was unfortunate enough to be a few rows in front of someone who had a lot of negative comments to say (loudly) about TK. I'm not saying they were racist, but they were certainly far more negative about him than was appropriate. All I'm saying is that there is a moderate and kindly way of saying that we believe that a player could do better - and what I read on the blog last night was neither balanced nor kind.[/p][/quote]I have never been in the stand he was referring to, but midway through last season a season ticket holder moved (permanently) to behind me because he had had enough of the racist comments he had listened to during the first games of the season. As far as racist comments that I have heard personally, you only had to be at the coffee bar at half time up at Leicester last season to be in no doubt about some of our fans. Infact when I mentioned it on these pages I was castigated for not challenging them and when I mentioned it was because I a in a wheelchair, I was told in no uncertain terms (probably rightly) that this shouldn't have stopped me.! So for people to suggest that we don't have racists amongst us is sadly blinkered. If nothing else the law of averages would suggest that ! UTCIAD afcbtintin
  • Score: 2

3:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

nonnogeppetto says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10?

I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them.

I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game.
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10? I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them. I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game. nonnogeppetto
  • Score: 14

3:46pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Doddler says...

nonnogeppetto wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10?

I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them.

I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game.
Well said, Nonnogeppetto. I couldn't agree more. Some of the posts that appear here - and on the matchday blog - I find quite depressing. We are fully entitled to express doubts about tactics or performance, but at the end of the day let's not forget that we're dealing with people - people with feelings, ambitions and sensitivities. The unnecessarily unkind (may I say ignorant?) comments that appear from time to time bring no credit to anyone and do no good at all to our football club. More likely, they do a good deal of harm.
[quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10? I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them. I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game.[/p][/quote]Well said, Nonnogeppetto. I couldn't agree more. Some of the posts that appear here - and on the matchday blog - I find quite depressing. We are fully entitled to express doubts about tactics or performance, but at the end of the day let's not forget that we're dealing with people - people with feelings, ambitions and sensitivities. The unnecessarily unkind (may I say ignorant?) comments that appear from time to time bring no credit to anyone and do no good at all to our football club. More likely, they do a good deal of harm. Doddler
  • Score: 5

3:53pm Wed 13 Aug 14

raybren says...

We have had the puuurfect start to the season so why can ' t people leave the catty remarks until there is some justification ? Any squad of players is going to have its weak points , but to be criticising at this point is just not fair . Come back and give us your opinions at the end of November .
We have had the puuurfect start to the season so why can ' t people leave the catty remarks until there is some justification ? Any squad of players is going to have its weak points , but to be criticising at this point is just not fair . Come back and give us your opinions at the end of November . raybren
  • Score: 5

4:00pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

Doddler wrote:
nonnogeppetto wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10?

I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them.

I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game.
Well said, Nonnogeppetto. I couldn't agree more. Some of the posts that appear here - and on the matchday blog - I find quite depressing. We are fully entitled to express doubts about tactics or performance, but at the end of the day let's not forget that we're dealing with people - people with feelings, ambitions and sensitivities. The unnecessarily unkind (may I say ignorant?) comments that appear from time to time bring no credit to anyone and do no good at all to our football club. More likely, they do a good deal of harm.
Nonnogeppetto - Thanks a sensible very post........my opinion wouldn't change, numerous people around us, and we were all discussing it, he looks short on confidence and dare i say it looked unfit. The ball came off him on numerous occasions when it should have stuck, and your right its not all about scoring goals, but i and others didn't think he put a shift in !!! Ask anyone who was there, what happen when Callum came on, he looked sharp, hungry, aggressive and direct.....all that TK didn't, and it was TK's chance to shine against a v.poor opposition. Harry came on like a tiger unleashed full of testosterone and energy, and got booked!!!
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10? I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them. I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game.[/p][/quote]Well said, Nonnogeppetto. I couldn't agree more. Some of the posts that appear here - and on the matchday blog - I find quite depressing. We are fully entitled to express doubts about tactics or performance, but at the end of the day let's not forget that we're dealing with people - people with feelings, ambitions and sensitivities. The unnecessarily unkind (may I say ignorant?) comments that appear from time to time bring no credit to anyone and do no good at all to our football club. More likely, they do a good deal of harm.[/p][/quote]Nonnogeppetto - Thanks a sensible very post........my opinion wouldn't change, numerous people around us, and we were all discussing it, he looks short on confidence and dare i say it looked unfit. The ball came off him on numerous occasions when it should have stuck, and your right its not all about scoring goals, but i and others didn't think he put a shift in !!! Ask anyone who was there, what happen when Callum came on, he looked sharp, hungry, aggressive and direct.....all that TK didn't, and it was TK's chance to shine against a v.poor opposition. Harry came on like a tiger unleashed full of testosterone and energy, and got booked!!! AfcbBlues
  • Score: 2

4:12pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

Doddler - Very easy to voice opinions/comments from an arm chair, listening to the radio or reading others internet / paper reports !!! Maybe try going to an away game, investing your time and money, then you'll have your own opinion? My opinion isn't correct in many peoples eyes, but its mine, and surely that is what a forum is for, is it not ? I want TK and the others to give blood, sweat and tears for the team, and he isn't IMHO !!!
Doddler - Very easy to voice opinions/comments from an arm chair, listening to the radio or reading others internet / paper reports !!! Maybe try going to an away game, investing your time and money, then you'll have your own opinion? My opinion isn't correct in many peoples eyes, but its mine, and surely that is what a forum is for, is it not ? I want TK and the others to give blood, sweat and tears for the team, and he isn't IMHO !!! AfcbBlues
  • Score: -6

4:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

YafcbY says...

Do we have a sell on clause for Danny Ings?
There is a lot of speculation presently he is about to move to Hull City.
Hull might be selling Long and are said to be weighing up a £7 million transfer for Ings. Hull were considering a bid last season as well though opted to sign Long.
Do we have a sell on clause for Danny Ings? There is a lot of speculation presently he is about to move to Hull City. Hull might be selling Long and are said to be weighing up a £7 million transfer for Ings. Hull were considering a bid last season as well though opted to sign Long. YafcbY
  • Score: 1

5:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Square Old Codger says...

I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance.
I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance. Square Old Codger
  • Score: 14

5:21pm Wed 13 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

Doddler wrote:
susi.m wrote:
holdinkæft wrote:
Doddler wrote:
So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way!
Too many racists in footall crowds.
you can hear them each week.
Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all.
Sadly, Susi.m that has not been my recent experience. At the Swansea game I was unfortunate enough to be a few rows in front of someone who had a lot of negative comments to say (loudly) about TK. I'm not saying they were racist, but they were certainly far more negative about him than was appropriate. All I'm saying is that there is a moderate and kindly way of saying that we believe that a player could do better - and what I read on the blog last night was neither balanced nor kind.
Norwich have suspended two fans from Carrow Road as they investigate allegations of racist abuse during their defeat at Wolves.
I wonder who they were havng a go at ? Heard Grabban missed a sitter.
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]susi.m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: So glad the Cherries won tonight. Congratulations all round. But very disappointed to read the dreadfully unkind, unreasonable and unnecessary comments about TK on the ‘Cherries Player’ blog. I don't know how anyone could think that such invective is acceptable. OK, it would be good to see him score a few goals, but that's not the only reason he's in the team. He has speed, skill and enormous energy and if these qualities can help others to score - that's OK with me. I have supported the Cherries long enough to have enjoyed the Ted MacDougall era and his goal scoring feats. But I also remember that through much of his career (not just with the Cherries) he had Phil Boyer alongside him - and it was he who lined up a good many of Ted's goals. He didn't score so many himself - but was a great support to MacD - and a real team player. So please, please get off the young man's back and give him credit for what he does do. A little kindness can go a long way![/p][/quote]Too many racists in footall crowds. you can hear them each week.[/p][/quote]Well I go every week and I have never heard a racist comment. Proper football lovers couldn't give a dam about the race of players - we just want to see great games and players giving their all.[/p][/quote]Sadly, Susi.m that has not been my recent experience. At the Swansea game I was unfortunate enough to be a few rows in front of someone who had a lot of negative comments to say (loudly) about TK. I'm not saying they were racist, but they were certainly far more negative about him than was appropriate. All I'm saying is that there is a moderate and kindly way of saying that we believe that a player could do better - and what I read on the blog last night was neither balanced nor kind.[/p][/quote]Norwich have suspended two fans from Carrow Road as they investigate allegations of racist abuse during their defeat at Wolves. I wonder who they were havng a go at ? Heard Grabban missed a sitter. holdinkæft
  • Score: 1

5:27pm Wed 13 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

TedMacsCherryPants wrote:
We can argue about TK & Brett all day long but until injury or suspension strikes Yann & Callum are the first choice strike pair and their goal record so far guarantees their places. Willo had Shaun Mac and Ryan Fraser marked up as highlights of last night, Stanislas also sounded a handful and Brett had quite a few shots.
I’d stick my neck out on what I’ve seen so far and predict that Wilson will beat Grabban’s goal tally this season ….
…. and no I don’t want to bet a season ticket on it Raybren ;-} ….
…..but then again??????
Wilson is currently 16/1 as top championship goal scorer was 20s before the 2 he scored saturday.
[quote][p][bold]TedMacsCherryPants[/bold] wrote: We can argue about TK & Brett all day long but until injury or suspension strikes Yann & Callum are the first choice strike pair and their goal record so far guarantees their places. Willo had Shaun Mac and Ryan Fraser marked up as highlights of last night, Stanislas also sounded a handful and Brett had quite a few shots. I’d stick my neck out on what I’ve seen so far and predict that Wilson will beat Grabban’s goal tally this season …. …. and no I don’t want to bet a season ticket on it Raybren ;-} …. …..but then again??????[/p][/quote]Wilson is currently 16/1 as top championship goal scorer was 20s before the 2 he scored saturday. holdinkæft
  • Score: 2

5:30pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dekayedcherry says...

well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts.
I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first.
Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC
well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts. I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first. Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC dekayedcherry
  • Score: 5

5:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance.
What chances ??? Callum was on for 5-10 mins and created more than Rantie in 80 mins !!!
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance.[/p][/quote]What chances ??? Callum was on for 5-10 mins and created more than Rantie in 80 mins !!! AfcbBlues
  • Score: -6

5:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

Solentcherry wrote:
Well done lads, second round draw here we come. COYC.
A YEAR on here we go again with the debate over TK.
He has lots of fans passionately defending him and who won't accept any criticism of him......"he'll come good in time......needs to settle in.... Long way from home......changes in playing style......he'll prove the doubters wrong......etc...etc

."
Then there are those who question his goal scoring ability from what they have seen in the past year and live in patient hope that he will indeed "come good" and adapt to the standard required in the championship.
All are fans who want the best for their club.
What I would like to see is the TK defenders actually EXPLAIN why they have the faith and belief that he will suddenly come good after a year and how this is going to happen ,rather than just tut tut and give a thumbs down to any fan who may, quite rightly ,dare to express an alternative opinion.
Personally, I just now accept him as a "mix it up" player, rather than the GOAL SCORER we thought we were getting.
Ps. Wasn't Sweden a long way from home?
Why did you think he was a goal scorer ? He never has been.
Natt has the same misconception too.
[quote][p][bold]Solentcherry[/bold] wrote: Well done lads, second round draw here we come. COYC. A YEAR on here we go again with the debate over TK. He has lots of fans passionately defending him and who won't accept any criticism of him......"he'll come good in time......needs to settle in.... Long way from home......changes in playing style......he'll prove the doubters wrong......etc...etc ." Then there are those who question his goal scoring ability from what they have seen in the past year and live in patient hope that he will indeed "come good" and adapt to the standard required in the championship. All are fans who want the best for their club. What I would like to see is the TK defenders actually EXPLAIN why they have the faith and belief that he will suddenly come good after a year and how this is going to happen ,rather than just tut tut and give a thumbs down to any fan who may, quite rightly ,dare to express an alternative opinion. Personally, I just now accept him as a "mix it up" player, rather than the GOAL SCORER we thought we were getting. Ps. Wasn't Sweden a long way from home?[/p][/quote]Why did you think he was a goal scorer ? He never has been. Natt has the same misconception too. holdinkæft
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Noel. says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
Noel. wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
Right so you don't like Rantie then?

In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well?

Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value?

Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?
Noel - was you there last night ?
Welll AfcbBlues if you read my previous post you wouldn't need to ask that question as I stated I was.

I won't bother to correct the grammatical error in you question as I am sure it would start a pointless thread and the comments here are recognizing the players (including TK) for another sterling performance
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Noel.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]Right so you don't like Rantie then? In your opinion should we get rid of the goal-keepers and defenders because they don't score enough goals as well? Are other contributions to the team such as preventing the opposition scoring, good crosses and passes which set up the opportunity for the goal scorer of no value? Perhaps you are just a wind-up merchant?[/p][/quote]Noel - was you there last night ?[/p][/quote]Welll AfcbBlues if you read my previous post you wouldn't need to ask that question as I stated I was. I won't bother to correct the grammatical error in you question as I am sure it would start a pointless thread and the comments here are recognizing the players (including TK) for another sterling performance Noel.
  • Score: 5

5:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Doddler says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
Doddler - Very easy to voice opinions/comments from an arm chair, listening to the radio or reading others internet / paper reports !!! Maybe try going to an away game, investing your time and money, then you'll have your own opinion? My opinion isn't correct in many peoples eyes, but its mine, and surely that is what a forum is for, is it not ? I want TK and the others to give blood, sweat and tears for the team, and he isn't IMHO !!!
OK, AfcbBlues. How easy it is to add two and two together and get six! Just for the record, I started to support the Cherries in 1957, have had a season ticket for many years and might well have attended far more away games than you. So your assumption that I sit in an armchair, listen to the radio commentary and do no more than read the comments of other people is as ridiculous as it is inappropriate. What an insulting post you have contributed! Yes, a forum is for people to express their views but it also requires that they shoulder a responsibility to do so in a kind, accurate and appropriate way - always with the sensitivities of others in mind.
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: Doddler - Very easy to voice opinions/comments from an arm chair, listening to the radio or reading others internet / paper reports !!! Maybe try going to an away game, investing your time and money, then you'll have your own opinion? My opinion isn't correct in many peoples eyes, but its mine, and surely that is what a forum is for, is it not ? I want TK and the others to give blood, sweat and tears for the team, and he isn't IMHO !!![/p][/quote]OK, AfcbBlues. How easy it is to add two and two together and get six! Just for the record, I started to support the Cherries in 1957, have had a season ticket for many years and might well have attended far more away games than you. So your assumption that I sit in an armchair, listen to the radio commentary and do no more than read the comments of other people is as ridiculous as it is inappropriate. What an insulting post you have contributed! Yes, a forum is for people to express their views but it also requires that they shoulder a responsibility to do so in a kind, accurate and appropriate way - always with the sensitivities of others in mind. Doddler
  • Score: 7

5:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

dekayedcherry wrote:
well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts.
I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first.
Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC
Even from what I saw on the highlights, TK seemed to be well in the thick of the action. There was a very nice flick on to feed Stanslas through when he hit the post, he was right behind the defender when he scored the own goal, and he was also very close when Gosling scored.

But I think the problem with some commenters here is not racism - otherwise Stanislas and Wilson would also be getting stick - it's bullying.

I think they spot a vulnerability in somebody - in TK's case he's not too tall (like Maradona!) and he's often seems in interviews to be missing his family back home - and, like they were back in the schoolyard, they decide that's the person they are going to give grief to.

No matter how many good things he does, they just concentrate on the mistakes (all players make mistakes throughout any game, but it's no fun when a subset of bullies are actively looking out for them).
[quote][p][bold]dekayedcherry[/bold] wrote: well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts. I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first. Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC[/p][/quote]Even from what I saw on the highlights, TK seemed to be well in the thick of the action. There was a very nice flick on to feed Stanslas through when he hit the post, he was right behind the defender when he scored the own goal, and he was also very close when Gosling scored. But I think the problem with some commenters here is not racism - otherwise Stanislas and Wilson would also be getting stick - it's bullying. I think they spot a vulnerability in somebody - in TK's case he's not too tall (like Maradona!) and he's often seems in interviews to be missing his family back home - and, like they were back in the schoolyard, they decide that's the person they are going to give grief to. No matter how many good things he does, they just concentrate on the mistakes (all players make mistakes throughout any game, but it's no fun when a subset of bullies are actively looking out for them). Rotterdam
  • Score: 5

5:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dekayedcherry says...

Totally agree with your comments SOC. Spot on.
Hoping Brentford are totally knackered from their extra time exertions last night and not fully recovered in time for Saturday. As that well known Supermarket would say "every little helps " LOL !!!. UTC
Totally agree with your comments SOC. Spot on. Hoping Brentford are totally knackered from their extra time exertions last night and not fully recovered in time for Saturday. As that well known Supermarket would say "every little helps " LOL !!!. UTC dekayedcherry
  • Score: 3

5:46pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Noel. says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance.
What chances ??? Callum was on for 5-10 mins and created more than Rantie in 80 mins !!!
AfcbBlues, you said in an earlier post that Wilson created 3 or 4 chances, I can remember half a dozen created by TK in the first half, so you're shot down by your own statements
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance.[/p][/quote]What chances ??? Callum was on for 5-10 mins and created more than Rantie in 80 mins !!![/p][/quote]AfcbBlues, you said in an earlier post that Wilson created 3 or 4 chances, I can remember half a dozen created by TK in the first half, so you're shot down by your own statements Noel.
  • Score: 2

5:48pm Wed 13 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!

You dont have any rights, if you dont like it, dont go

Thank god i dont have to sit next to you at matches.
Blues is certainly the right name for you.
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! You dont have any rights, if you dont like it, dont go Thank god i dont have to sit next to you at matches. Blues is certainly the right name for you. holdinkæft
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Afcbpete says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance.
What chances ??? Callum was on for 5-10 mins and created more than Rantie in 80 mins !!!
Well for starters, if you take the trouble to look at the highlights on YouTube, you'll see a brilliant one touch flick into the path of Stanislas, who hit the post. Perhaps if you were there, you were too busy slagging him off to notice!!!
Personally I'm not interested in bigoted views, I'll use my eyes, or listen to those that know what they're talking about. TK is a real talent, he's struggling to score, of that there is no doubt, but he brings so much else to his game, those that can't see that, well fine, you're entitled to your opinion, I'm sure there's good Opticians not too far from you!!! UTCIAD
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: I really can't understand the mentality of people who claim to be supporters of the Club and then denigrate players - what useful purpose does that serve. Rantie is a player with both pace and talent who badly needs to score a goal or two and to build confidence, he will improve with Eddie's guidance and coaching and like all players needs supporters to be behind them , not a constant barrage of criticism from a minority,he's young and still learning and it's certainly not his fault that his potential attracted a large fee . For me, he tries hard and gives everything he has, probably tries too hard and as a result snatches at chances that he might otherwise score from. Cut him some slack and give the lad a chance.[/p][/quote]What chances ??? Callum was on for 5-10 mins and created more than Rantie in 80 mins !!![/p][/quote]Well for starters, if you take the trouble to look at the highlights on YouTube, you'll see a brilliant one touch flick into the path of Stanislas, who hit the post. Perhaps if you were there, you were too busy slagging him off to notice!!! Personally I'm not interested in bigoted views, I'll use my eyes, or listen to those that know what they're talking about. TK is a real talent, he's struggling to score, of that there is no doubt, but he brings so much else to his game, those that can't see that, well fine, you're entitled to your opinion, I'm sure there's good Opticians not too far from you!!! UTCIAD Afcbpete
  • Score: 6

5:55pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Doddler says...

Rotterdam wrote:
dekayedcherry wrote:
well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts.
I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first.
Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC
Even from what I saw on the highlights, TK seemed to be well in the thick of the action. There was a very nice flick on to feed Stanslas through when he hit the post, he was right behind the defender when he scored the own goal, and he was also very close when Gosling scored.

But I think the problem with some commenters here is not racism - otherwise Stanislas and Wilson would also be getting stick - it's bullying.

I think they spot a vulnerability in somebody - in TK's case he's not too tall (like Maradona!) and he's often seems in interviews to be missing his family back home - and, like they were back in the schoolyard, they decide that's the person they are going to give grief to.

No matter how many good things he does, they just concentrate on the mistakes (all players make mistakes throughout any game, but it's no fun when a subset of bullies are actively looking out for them).
Well said, Rotterdam. A very valid comment.
[quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dekayedcherry[/bold] wrote: well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts. I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first. Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC[/p][/quote]Even from what I saw on the highlights, TK seemed to be well in the thick of the action. There was a very nice flick on to feed Stanslas through when he hit the post, he was right behind the defender when he scored the own goal, and he was also very close when Gosling scored. But I think the problem with some commenters here is not racism - otherwise Stanislas and Wilson would also be getting stick - it's bullying. I think they spot a vulnerability in somebody - in TK's case he's not too tall (like Maradona!) and he's often seems in interviews to be missing his family back home - and, like they were back in the schoolyard, they decide that's the person they are going to give grief to. No matter how many good things he does, they just concentrate on the mistakes (all players make mistakes throughout any game, but it's no fun when a subset of bullies are actively looking out for them).[/p][/quote]Well said, Rotterdam. A very valid comment. Doddler
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Wed 13 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

dekayedcherry wrote:
well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts.
I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first.
Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC
Blues was upset about he sausages being sold out.
Strange he doesnt have go at Frazer about his goals to game ratio.
I think he might be a large lad, the mouthy type. lot of them about.
[quote][p][bold]dekayedcherry[/bold] wrote: well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts. I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first. Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC[/p][/quote]Blues was upset about he sausages being sold out. Strange he doesnt have go at Frazer about his goals to game ratio. I think he might be a large lad, the mouthy type. lot of them about. holdinkæft
  • Score: -1

6:12pm Wed 13 Aug 14

nonnogeppetto says...

I fully respect peoples' opinions and views, after all it is one of the main ingredient of the beautiful game, and I am also aware that the majority express their opinion with good intend and without malice. However when the opinions are concentrated on particular individuals they can be open to misunderstanding.

There were 11 professional footballers who by the very nature that they came from a higher league than the opposition it should not have been difficult for strikers to score goals. I have to say that Pitman (unless I am much mistaken) has not received the same attention for not scoring last night he had to prove his worth no more and no less than Rantie.

My own view is that we should leave him alone until mid October early November and if he is picked and plays and show no signs of improvement we should start to ask questions however I much rather leave the evaluation of that side of his ability to Eddie and his team. I am sure that they can make a better judgement than I could ever make.

I hope that if he reads any of the comments about him rather than having a negative effect they will spur him on and prove everyone wrong. UTCIAD
I fully respect peoples' opinions and views, after all it is one of the main ingredient of the beautiful game, and I am also aware that the majority express their opinion with good intend and without malice. However when the opinions are concentrated on particular individuals they can be open to misunderstanding. There were 11 professional footballers who by the very nature that they came from a higher league than the opposition it should not have been difficult for strikers to score goals. I have to say that Pitman (unless I am much mistaken) has not received the same attention for not scoring last night he had to prove his worth no more and no less than Rantie. My own view is that we should leave him alone until mid October early November and if he is picked and plays and show no signs of improvement we should start to ask questions however I much rather leave the evaluation of that side of his ability to Eddie and his team. I am sure that they can make a better judgement than I could ever make. I hope that if he reads any of the comments about him rather than having a negative effect they will spur him on and prove everyone wrong. UTCIAD nonnogeppetto
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Solentcherry says...

holdinkæft wrote:
Solentcherry wrote:
Well done lads, second round draw here we come. COYC.
A YEAR on here we go again with the debate over TK.
He has lots of fans passionately defending him and who won't accept any criticism of him......"he'll come good in time......needs to settle in.... Long way from home......changes in playing style......he'll prove the doubters wrong......etc...etc


."
Then there are those who question his goal scoring ability from what they have seen in the past year and live in patient hope that he will indeed "come good" and adapt to the standard required in the championship.
All are fans who want the best for their club.
What I would like to see is the TK defenders actually EXPLAIN why they have the faith and belief that he will suddenly come good after a year and how this is going to happen ,rather than just tut tut and give a thumbs down to any fan who may, quite rightly ,dare to express an alternative opinion.
Personally, I just now accept him as a "mix it up" player, rather than the GOAL SCORER we thought we were getting.
Ps. Wasn't Sweden a long way from home?
Why did you think he was a goal scorer ? He never has been.
Natt has the same misconception too.
Errm...... Try Googling his profile....
On Wickiepedia and other TK info pages, you will find his player description as STRIKER or CENTRE FORWARD.
Also AFCB have just given him the number 9 shirt.

Out of interest, what position did you think he was ?
[quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solentcherry[/bold] wrote: Well done lads, second round draw here we come. COYC. A YEAR on here we go again with the debate over TK. He has lots of fans passionately defending him and who won't accept any criticism of him......"he'll come good in time......needs to settle in.... Long way from home......changes in playing style......he'll prove the doubters wrong......etc...etc ." Then there are those who question his goal scoring ability from what they have seen in the past year and live in patient hope that he will indeed "come good" and adapt to the standard required in the championship. All are fans who want the best for their club. What I would like to see is the TK defenders actually EXPLAIN why they have the faith and belief that he will suddenly come good after a year and how this is going to happen ,rather than just tut tut and give a thumbs down to any fan who may, quite rightly ,dare to express an alternative opinion. Personally, I just now accept him as a "mix it up" player, rather than the GOAL SCORER we thought we were getting. Ps. Wasn't Sweden a long way from home?[/p][/quote]Why did you think he was a goal scorer ? He never has been. Natt has the same misconception too.[/p][/quote]Errm...... Try Googling his profile.... On Wickiepedia and other TK info pages, you will find his player description as STRIKER or CENTRE FORWARD. Also AFCB have just given him the number 9 shirt. Out of interest, what position did you think he was ? Solentcherry
  • Score: -3

6:36pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nat1234 says...

Doddler wrote:
nonnogeppetto wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10?

I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them.

I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game.
Well said, Nonnogeppetto. I couldn't agree more. Some of the posts that appear here - and on the matchday blog - I find quite depressing. We are fully entitled to express doubts about tactics or performance, but at the end of the day let's not forget that we're dealing with people - people with feelings, ambitions and sensitivities. The unnecessarily unkind (may I say ignorant?) comments that appear from time to time bring no credit to anyone and do no good at all to our football club. More likely, they do a good deal of harm.
Would you say the same thing about Suarez ? I wonder .
[quote][p][bold]Doddler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]AfcbBlues I ask you a simple question. If you were present in the dressing room and heard EH tell Rantie not worry about scoring but pass the ball to someone else would you have given him 3 /10? I was not at the game nor in the dressing room so I will go by what I heard on Radio Solent apart from one occasion when Willo said that he could have taken a shot of goal the rest of the time he was being praised for his awareness of his colleagues around him and for passing the ball to them. I would not deny you expressing your opinion however given what Rantie had to say in a recent interview in the echo I think we should be more generous and not single him out for criticism. He has feelings like the rest of us and would be the first to admit that he would much rather score in every game.[/p][/quote]Well said, Nonnogeppetto. I couldn't agree more. Some of the posts that appear here - and on the matchday blog - I find quite depressing. We are fully entitled to express doubts about tactics or performance, but at the end of the day let's not forget that we're dealing with people - people with feelings, ambitions and sensitivities. The unnecessarily unkind (may I say ignorant?) comments that appear from time to time bring no credit to anyone and do no good at all to our football club. More likely, they do a good deal of harm.[/p][/quote]Would you say the same thing about Suarez ? I wonder . Nat1234
  • Score: -4

6:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nat1234 says...

Rotterdam wrote:
dekayedcherry wrote:
well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts.
I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first.
Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC
Even from what I saw on the highlights, TK seemed to be well in the thick of the action. There was a very nice flick on to feed Stanslas through when he hit the post, he was right behind the defender when he scored the own goal, and he was also very close when Gosling scored.

But I think the problem with some commenters here is not racism - otherwise Stanislas and Wilson would also be getting stick - it's bullying.

I think they spot a vulnerability in somebody - in TK's case he's not too tall (like Maradona!) and he's often seems in interviews to be missing his family back home - and, like they were back in the schoolyard, they decide that's the person they are going to give grief to.

No matter how many good things he does, they just concentrate on the mistakes (all players make mistakes throughout any game, but it's no fun when a subset of bullies are actively looking out for them).
I for one criticised TK last season , but I hope he does well this season . But I can't understand why people keep saying he's a long way from home , how long did he play Europe before coming here , how many African players play in England ? Also Eddie says he's not used to our changing rooms . Are the changing rooms that much different in Europe . I think there is a lot of excuses being made . The best thing that Eddie could do for TK is loan him out to a div 1 side and let him get some confidence . And come back and shut some of us up . Because before long he will start getting booed . By the way I would never ever boo any player in a AFCB shirt .
[quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dekayedcherry[/bold] wrote: well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts. I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first. Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC[/p][/quote]Even from what I saw on the highlights, TK seemed to be well in the thick of the action. There was a very nice flick on to feed Stanslas through when he hit the post, he was right behind the defender when he scored the own goal, and he was also very close when Gosling scored. But I think the problem with some commenters here is not racism - otherwise Stanislas and Wilson would also be getting stick - it's bullying. I think they spot a vulnerability in somebody - in TK's case he's not too tall (like Maradona!) and he's often seems in interviews to be missing his family back home - and, like they were back in the schoolyard, they decide that's the person they are going to give grief to. No matter how many good things he does, they just concentrate on the mistakes (all players make mistakes throughout any game, but it's no fun when a subset of bullies are actively looking out for them).[/p][/quote]I for one criticised TK last season , but I hope he does well this season . But I can't understand why people keep saying he's a long way from home , how long did he play Europe before coming here , how many African players play in England ? Also Eddie says he's not used to our changing rooms . Are the changing rooms that much different in Europe . I think there is a lot of excuses being made . The best thing that Eddie could do for TK is loan him out to a div 1 side and let him get some confidence . And come back and shut some of us up . Because before long he will start getting booed . By the way I would never ever boo any player in a AFCB shirt . Nat1234
  • Score: -2

7:03pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

TK or Wilson ??? Says it all.......
In just 5 minutes at the club Wilson has shown what he's capable off nd excites me. A year later we are still politely clapping TK hoping that he might do something.........an
d by the end of the season, Wilson will probably be off to a bigger club, while TK will be another Tubbs. Smith was aweful last night, apart from one crunching tackle, Francis must have been laughing, what competition!!

If i dont live up to the expectations of my customers, i would get it in the neck, so why do people think footballers should be any different ?? If TK has time to read posts on the Echo, then i would suggest he would be better off putting his efforts elsewhere.
TK or Wilson ??? Says it all....... In just 5 minutes at the club Wilson has shown what he's capable off nd excites me. A year later we are still politely clapping TK hoping that he might do something.........an d by the end of the season, Wilson will probably be off to a bigger club, while TK will be another Tubbs. Smith was aweful last night, apart from one crunching tackle, Francis must have been laughing, what competition!! If i dont live up to the expectations of my customers, i would get it in the neck, so why do people think footballers should be any different ?? If TK has time to read posts on the Echo, then i would suggest he would be better off putting his efforts elsewhere. AfcbBlues
  • Score: -6

7:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

Totally agree.......
Totally agree....... AfcbBlues
  • Score: -5

7:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

TOtally agree NAT.... not good enough wh sit on the bench, loan him and lets see what he can do elsewhere playing regular.
TOtally agree NAT.... not good enough wh sit on the bench, loan him and lets see what he can do elsewhere playing regular. AfcbBlues
  • Score: -6

8:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

fuhamfc12 says...

Well Done AFCB, You are 1 of the best teams in the league. I hope you get into the playoffs with us (Fulham).Cant wait till Boxing day. You are going big places, well done.
Well Done AFCB, You are 1 of the best teams in the league. I hope you get into the playoffs with us (Fulham).Cant wait till Boxing day. You are going big places, well done. fuhamfc12
  • Score: 3

8:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

fuhamfc12 says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!!
*Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end.
*Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much.
*Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well.
*Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good.
*Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much
*Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people.
*Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet.
*Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!!
*Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough.
*Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us.
*Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective.

And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.
Sound like Phil Neville, he was a worthless pundit at the World Cup.
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: TK doesn't cut the mustard, he's had enough chances already, get rid of him before he's a worthless asset. I was embarrassing when he clapped the fans last night when he was taken off, he put no effort in so why should we "reward" him for his "efforts" when he gave us nothing. These guys are paid a lot of money for their skills / efforts........and i pay a lot of money and put a lot of time into driving around to watch them which give me and others the right to expect more !!!!! *Flahavan* 6/10 had nothing much to do until the end. *Harte* 6/10, gave the ball away too much. *Ward* 7/10 looked strong, did give the ball away a few times, but lead the team well. *Cargill* 7/10, looks a very good prospect, positonal sense was good. *Smith* 5/10, strolled around trying to be too fancy, gave the ball away too much *Stanislas* 7/10 looked dangerous, especialluy when running at people. *Gosling* 6/10 tried v.hard, looks like he's not fully match sharp yet. *Macca* 8/10 STAR MAN -others should look at his efforts as an inspiration (Rantie)!!! *Wee man* 6/10, looked dangerous running at people but didnt do it enough. *Rantie* 3/10, come on son pull your finger out......show us you want to play for us. *Pitman* 6/10 Largely ineffective. And yet we won at a cantor, thats how poor Exeter are, bring on Sat when we will see the 1st team with really only Macca that deserves to be in with a shout of a place from last nights showing.[/p][/quote]Sound like Phil Neville, he was a worthless pundit at the World Cup. fuhamfc12
  • Score: 3

10:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

And our reward Northampton at home I'd take that thank you
And our reward Northampton at home I'd take that thank you alasdair1967
  • Score: 4

10:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

I hope that all our boys on our books play with the same heart as TK. I hope that TK gets in the positions that Brett Pitman can often find himself in (maybe BP can teach the young lad a trick or three re positioning?), and then bingo TK will be OK!

It's great to know that the fans are as passionate as ever. Let's see TK score against Northampton in the next round ( I am sure he will be played by EH in his rotation of the players) and then all of the above will be seen as a load of cobblers!

Come on you Reds let's have a cheeky cup run!
I hope that all our boys on our books play with the same heart as TK. I hope that TK gets in the positions that Brett Pitman can often find himself in (maybe BP can teach the young lad a trick or three re positioning?), and then bingo TK will be OK! It's great to know that the fans are as passionate as ever. Let's see TK score against Northampton in the next round ( I am sure he will be played by EH in his rotation of the players) and then all of the above will be seen as a load of cobblers! Come on you Reds let's have a cheeky cup run! St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 2

11:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road says...

dekayedcherry wrote:
well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts.
I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first.
Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC
As another that went to the game im inclined to agree more with Noel's assesment of TK. At times he cut their defence yo shreads, however he does need to be more selfish, at times he was in a shooting position with fans screaming for him to shoot, yet he looked to pass instead. Believe me TK was by no means our worst performer on the night. Apart from his 3/10 rating of TK, i pretty much agree with afcb blues ratings. Hated that terrace, and the atmosphere was more akin to a pre-season friendly, good turnout of cherries support for midweek game though.
[quote][p][bold]dekayedcherry[/bold] wrote: well it goes to show you 2 people can go to watch a game of football and come away from the match with 2 totally differing views. As Jimmy Greaves would have said "funny old game ain't it"). NOEL said that Rantie "made some brilliant runs and cut their defence to pieces with his speed", whilst AfcbBLUES said that Rantie " looked unfit and didn't put a shift in" and gave him a paltry 3/10 for his efforts. I too was not at the match but listened on Radio Solent and I certainly got the impression from the commentators that Rantie was in the thick of the action with his pace and trickery on the ball and appeared to have had a few chances and half chances either blocked by defenders (doing their job) or saved by their keeper. One example springs to mind where he broke free into their box and chose to try and find Pitman with a defended pass rather than take the goalie on (maybe aware of all the moaners if he had missed !!!). Willo said in commentary that TK needed to be a bit more selfish as most successful strikers are and it will come good and his confidence will grow. As far as I remember we never bought TK as the "finished article" and EH has always said that he is "one for the future". He is still coming to grips with a MASSIVE jump in his football career and it's not his fault if many on here think we paid over the odds (i do also !!) but don't take it out on a player with a lot of talent who will make the grade if the BOO BOYS don't kill his spirit first. Read the article above again and Rantie's name features quite prominently and also Wilson didn't score either (hope he does Saturday or the Boo Boys will start on him !!!). UTC[/p][/quote]As another that went to the game im inclined to agree more with Noel's assesment of TK. At times he cut their defence yo shreads, however he does need to be more selfish, at times he was in a shooting position with fans screaming for him to shoot, yet he looked to pass instead. Believe me TK was by no means our worst performer on the night. Apart from his 3/10 rating of TK, i pretty much agree with afcb blues ratings. Hated that terrace, and the atmosphere was more akin to a pre-season friendly, good turnout of cherries support for midweek game though. STEADY EDDIE 1 for the road
  • Score: 2

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