AFC Bournemouth: Cherries consider Dean Court expansion after shelving stadium move

SEEKING HOME COMFORTS: AFC Bournemouth Jeff Mostyn

SEEKING HOME COMFORTS: AFC Bournemouth Jeff Mostyn

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CHAIRMAN Jeff Mostyn has revealed Cherries have shelved plans to move away from Dean Court in favour of trying to increase capacity at the Goldsands Stadium.

Mostyn – in line with owner Maxim Demin and the club’s other directors – admits there is a “desperate need” to facilitate bigger crowd numbers at the venue.

And although the possibility of building a new stadium at Matchams has been explored, club officials believe erecting a permanent stand would be a better option.

Following promotion to the Championship, Cherries saw a sizeable increase in attendances last season and the club recently announced record ticket sales for the new campaign.

Mostyn told the Daily Echo: “As everybody knows, there is a desperate need for us to look at increasing the capacity at some stage. With 11,700 – including segregation – we probably have the smallest stadium in the Championship.

“We have started a feasibility study and my fellow director John O’Neill has been working on it. One of the options is that we look to put a permanent stand where the temporary stand at the south end of the ground is now.

“I am not suggesting that it is going to happen this season and we deliberately took the stance last season of trying to see where we were going to finish. There would be no point building a permanent stand if, for whatever reason, we weren’t as successful as we had been. It is one possibility.

“We have scoured the conurbation for land where we may have looked towards building a new stadium in the future because there are always going to be various restrictions in place at the Goldsands, whether we own the ground or not.

“Matchams was one site we looked at but it was always going to be difficult regarding access and transportation and it is not something we are currently pursuing.

“The alternative is to look at improving the Goldsands as it is at the moment and the only feasible option would be to replace the temporary stand with a permanent one and that is something we are currently looking at.

“We will work closely with the landlord and the council and deal with any covenants that may be associated with a potential project.

Mostyn also emphasised that the club and the board would ensure supporters and local residents would be consulted regarding any future project.

And asked whether buying back the stadium was on the agenda, Mostyn replied: “We have a tremendous relationship with our landlord and are currently more than happy to continue to pay rent on the stadium. We always have an option to negotiate with the landlord should we wish to discuss purchasing the stadium at a future date.”

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6:25am Tue 5 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

If this is the case in my opinion the stadium needs to be bought back from strucdene with immediate effect we need to get them gone ,
If this is the case in my opinion the stadium needs to be bought back from strucdene with immediate effect we need to get them gone , alasdair1967
  • Score: 9

6:27am Tue 5 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
If this is the case in my opinion the stadium needs to be bought back from strucdene with immediate effect we need to get them gone ,
Regardless of having a so called good working relationship
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: If this is the case in my opinion the stadium needs to be bought back from strucdene with immediate effect we need to get them gone ,[/p][/quote]Regardless of having a so called good working relationship alasdair1967
  • Score: 8

6:58am Tue 5 Aug 14

Square Old Codger says...

I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though.
I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though. Square Old Codger
  • Score: 10

7:06am Tue 5 Aug 14

Afcbpete says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
If this is the case in my opinion the stadium needs to be bought back from strucdene with immediate effect we need to get them gone ,
Regardless of having a so called good working relationship
I couldn't agree more!!
It seems crazy to even consider expanding DC if we don't own it. The landlord has already proved that they'll ask more than the ground is worth, because of the clubs money spent improving it, all they'll do now, is hold us to ransom even more!!
Matchams was always my favoured site, but as they have rightly said, transporting everyone there would not be easy, although I'd of thought access to and from the Spur Road would be easy enough.
What ever happens, work on a new stand would surely need to start in the next few months, to be able to knock down the temporary stand come next close season!! It's great that expansion is seriously being considered, a wonderful time to be a Cherries fan... UTCIAD
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: If this is the case in my opinion the stadium needs to be bought back from strucdene with immediate effect we need to get them gone ,[/p][/quote]Regardless of having a so called good working relationship[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more!! It seems crazy to even consider expanding DC if we don't own it. The landlord has already proved that they'll ask more than the ground is worth, because of the clubs money spent improving it, all they'll do now, is hold us to ransom even more!! Matchams was always my favoured site, but as they have rightly said, transporting everyone there would not be easy, although I'd of thought access to and from the Spur Road would be easy enough. What ever happens, work on a new stand would surely need to start in the next few months, to be able to knock down the temporary stand come next close season!! It's great that expansion is seriously being considered, a wonderful time to be a Cherries fan... UTCIAD Afcbpete
  • Score: 5

7:19am Tue 5 Aug 14

Solentcherry says...

Agree with most of the above. Not owning the stadium will always leave the club vulnerable to being held to ransom over large rent increases in the future. We may have a good relationship now, but property often changes ownership to other landowners/investors
. What then? Seem to remember Brighton had big problems in the past and what about Coventry?
Agree with most of the above. Not owning the stadium will always leave the club vulnerable to being held to ransom over large rent increases in the future. We may have a good relationship now, but property often changes ownership to other landowners/investors . What then? Seem to remember Brighton had big problems in the past and what about Coventry? Solentcherry
  • Score: 7

7:33am Tue 5 Aug 14

afcb-mark says...

I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up to 15/16000 that would be enough to keep the feel of the club and more importantly the atmosphere. We can buy the ground back when we get promoted and we're on a more financially stable footing.
I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up to 15/16000 that would be enough to keep the feel of the club and more importantly the atmosphere. We can buy the ground back when we get promoted and we're on a more financially stable footing. afcb-mark
  • Score: 27

8:10am Tue 5 Aug 14

mark.s says...

Very pleased to see the decision taken to stay at Dean Court and do what we can there - great news. Expand DC to 15k and that will give us the capacity we desperately need, without leaving us with a white elephant.
Very pleased to see the decision taken to stay at Dean Court and do what we can there - great news. Expand DC to 15k and that will give us the capacity we desperately need, without leaving us with a white elephant. mark.s
  • Score: 17

8:12am Tue 5 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

Good news At least the club is talking about the poor capacity .Building a new stand at the Brighton beach end would be great + a hotel maybe .
We can get 20,000 supporters in at AFCB,
The catchment area in SE Dorset etc is as big as Bristol .As long as Eddie Howe stays .and we remain at least in the Championship,The future looks great,.
Good news At least the club is talking about the poor capacity .Building a new stand at the Brighton beach end would be great + a hotel maybe . We can get 20,000 supporters in at AFCB, The catchment area in SE Dorset etc is as big as Bristol .As long as Eddie Howe stays .and we remain at least in the Championship,The future looks great,. cromwell9
  • Score: 10

8:15am Tue 5 Aug 14

abc100 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up toAgree 100%, the thought of going to watch Afcb anywhere other than Dean Court doesn't bear thinking about for me, parking in the same spot, same walk to the ground, yep fill the corners and a permanent south end, is it possible to expand the main stand?
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up toAgree 100%, the thought of going to watch Afcb anywhere other than Dean Court doesn't bear thinking about for me, parking in the same spot, same walk to the ground, yep fill the corners and a permanent south end, is it possible to expand the main stand? abc100
  • Score: 5

8:47am Tue 5 Aug 14

abc100 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up toAgree 100%, the thought of going to watch Afcb anywhere other than Dean Court doesn't bear thinking about for me, parking in the same spot, same walk to the ground, yep fill the corners and a permanent south end, is it possible to expand the main stand?
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up toAgree 100%, the thought of going to watch Afcb anywhere other than Dean Court doesn't bear thinking about for me, parking in the same spot, same walk to the ground, yep fill the corners and a permanent south end, is it possible to expand the main stand? abc100
  • Score: -7

8:47am Tue 5 Aug 14

abc100 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up toAgree 100%, the thought of going to watch Afcb anywhere other than Dean Court doesn't bear thinking about for me, parking in the same spot, same walk to the ground, yep fill the corners and a permanent south end, is it possible to expand the main stand?
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I agree with the decision to stay put at Dean Court (it will always be known to me as that). As well as a new stand the corners should also be filled in, there is a huge amount of wasted space there. If we could get capacity up toAgree 100%, the thought of going to watch Afcb anywhere other than Dean Court doesn't bear thinking about for me, parking in the same spot, same walk to the ground, yep fill the corners and a permanent south end, is it possible to expand the main stand? abc100
  • Score: -9

8:49am Tue 5 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

I believe planning permission was provisionally granted when the plans where originally submitted to give the option if building the fourth stand and to fill in the corners
I believe planning permission was provisionally granted when the plans where originally submitted to give the option if building the fourth stand and to fill in the corners alasdair1967
  • Score: 8

8:49am Tue 5 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

I believe planning permission was provisionally granted when the plans where originally submitted to give the option if building the fourth stand and to fill in the corners
I believe planning permission was provisionally granted when the plans where originally submitted to give the option if building the fourth stand and to fill in the corners alasdair1967
  • Score: -3

8:50am Tue 5 Aug 14

coops1965cherry says...

We should always be looking to remain at our spiritual home, Dean Court and expand the ground that we have.
However we are restricted there and lack potential so we should always look at the possibility of moving although the options are limited within the conurbation !

We must move very quickly in my opinion to expand the stadium at the South end and fill in the corners, we need at least a 15,000 capacity if we are to compete on a level playing field, anything less is quite frankly a joke.
Do it and do it now.

U T C I A D.
We should always be looking to remain at our spiritual home, Dean Court and expand the ground that we have. However we are restricted there and lack potential so we should always look at the possibility of moving although the options are limited within the conurbation ! We must move very quickly in my opinion to expand the stadium at the South end and fill in the corners, we need at least a 15,000 capacity if we are to compete on a level playing field, anything less is quite frankly a joke. Do it and do it now. U T C I A D. coops1965cherry
  • Score: 7

8:58am Tue 5 Aug 14

eaststandman says...

Swap places with the athletics stadium ! The landlord would love the rent they'd get from the running track !! It keeps Dean Court in its spiritual home and theres room to build properly.

Come on council and Club, you know its the best option.
Swap places with the athletics stadium ! The landlord would love the rent they'd get from the running track !! It keeps Dean Court in its spiritual home and theres room to build properly. Come on council and Club, you know its the best option. eaststandman
  • Score: 3

9:02am Tue 5 Aug 14

Wilkie says...

When the new ground was built, it was done so with sufficient space around it to allow for considrable future expansion. Unfortunately, the land behind the Easty stand was sold for pin money to a housebuilder and this is now causing a big problem as this would be the very stand that could have been easily replaced with one comfortably twice the capacity (3600 to 7200). Without some form of compulsery purchase of these properties at several millions £, it will always be difficul to get the existing site to work as a long term premiership venue. All for a couple of £100K's!
When the new ground was built, it was done so with sufficient space around it to allow for considrable future expansion. Unfortunately, the land behind the Easty stand was sold for pin money to a housebuilder and this is now causing a big problem as this would be the very stand that could have been easily replaced with one comfortably twice the capacity (3600 to 7200). Without some form of compulsery purchase of these properties at several millions £, it will always be difficul to get the existing site to work as a long term premiership venue. All for a couple of £100K's! Wilkie
  • Score: 5

9:05am Tue 5 Aug 14

afcbtintin says...

I wish they'd put in a few more wheelchair platforms. Like most clubs we fall well short of the legal requirements and those of us in a wheelchair get no choice but to watch from ground level except for once or twice each when we are allowed to move to the platform in the east stand.

UTCIAD
I wish they'd put in a few more wheelchair platforms. Like most clubs we fall well short of the legal requirements and those of us in a wheelchair get no choice but to watch from ground level except for once or twice each when we are allowed to move to the platform in the east stand. UTCIAD afcbtintin
  • Score: 8

9:17am Tue 5 Aug 14

susi.m says...

Wilkie wrote:
When the new ground was built, it was done so with sufficient space around it to allow for considrable future expansion. Unfortunately, the land behind the Easty stand was sold for pin money to a housebuilder and this is now causing a big problem as this would be the very stand that could have been easily replaced with one comfortably twice the capacity (3600 to 7200). Without some form of compulsery purchase of these properties at several millions £, it will always be difficul to get the existing site to work as a long term premiership venue. All for a couple of £100K's!
What idiot agreed to sell that bit of land????
[quote][p][bold]Wilkie[/bold] wrote: When the new ground was built, it was done so with sufficient space around it to allow for considrable future expansion. Unfortunately, the land behind the Easty stand was sold for pin money to a housebuilder and this is now causing a big problem as this would be the very stand that could have been easily replaced with one comfortably twice the capacity (3600 to 7200). Without some form of compulsery purchase of these properties at several millions £, it will always be difficul to get the existing site to work as a long term premiership venue. All for a couple of £100K's![/p][/quote]What idiot agreed to sell that bit of land???? susi.m
  • Score: 1

9:23am Tue 5 Aug 14

mark.s says...

afcbtintin wrote:
I wish they'd put in a few more wheelchair platforms. Like most clubs we fall well short of the legal requirements and those of us in a wheelchair get no choice but to watch from ground level except for once or twice each when we are allowed to move to the platform in the east stand.

UTCIAD
Like everything about the initial redevelopment, everything was done to the minimal specification to make it as cheap as possible, unfortunately - but that was the position we were in at the time.

Hopefully if we can move forward and invest in our ground, we can improve capacity for ALL supporters, of all requirements. That will be up to the money the board are willing to invest, and importantly the support the council of willing to lend with planning.
[quote][p][bold]afcbtintin[/bold] wrote: I wish they'd put in a few more wheelchair platforms. Like most clubs we fall well short of the legal requirements and those of us in a wheelchair get no choice but to watch from ground level except for once or twice each when we are allowed to move to the platform in the east stand. UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Like everything about the initial redevelopment, everything was done to the minimal specification to make it as cheap as possible, unfortunately - but that was the position we were in at the time. Hopefully if we can move forward and invest in our ground, we can improve capacity for ALL supporters, of all requirements. That will be up to the money the board are willing to invest, and importantly the support the council of willing to lend with planning. mark.s
  • Score: 2

10:26am Tue 5 Aug 14

bobsworthforever says...

I couldn't care a less where the ground is but I would like it to remain in the Bournemouth/Boscombe area glad to see Matchams a no no .Without knowing the details of the feasibility study its difficult to say what the possibilities are at the Goldsands .15k-20k capacity is a minimum if we are going to progress but do we need to start again from scratch
I couldn't care a less where the ground is but I would like it to remain in the Bournemouth/Boscombe area glad to see Matchams a no no .Without knowing the details of the feasibility study its difficult to say what the possibilities are at the Goldsands .15k-20k capacity is a minimum if we are going to progress but do we need to start again from scratch bobsworthforever
  • Score: 5

10:27am Tue 5 Aug 14

AFC BOURNE a big MOUTH says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Good news At least the club is talking about the poor capacity .Building a new stand at the Brighton beach end would be great + a hotel maybe .
We can get 20,000 supporters in at AFCB,
The catchment area in SE Dorset etc is as big as Bristol .As long as Eddie Howe stays .and we remain at least in the Championship,The future looks great,.
Just a small point the end to which you are calling the Brighton beach end is actually the old main stand as the stadium was turned on its side when re-built. The Brighton beach end was where the east stand is now.

Good news tho about talk of the ground capacity, however I'm a bit sceptical that this seems like a scaling back of their original plans to move or completely redeveloped DC. I was under the impression that originally they were looking to buy back the stadium and completely redevelop the ground by turning the stadium back on its original orientation but moving out into the car park that sits currently to the side of the main stand , which would enable them to expand capacity to 20,000.
Also if we are lolling to increase capacity I'm concerned about parking and access to the stadium with many fans walking long distances or facing long delays getting away from the ground. We need better access to the Wessex way. There is a pedestrian under pass to the fitness first gym why not open it up to traffic on match days to relieve some of the traffic leaving the ground. Something needs to be done if we are to double DC's capacity.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: Good news At least the club is talking about the poor capacity .Building a new stand at the Brighton beach end would be great + a hotel maybe . We can get 20,000 supporters in at AFCB, The catchment area in SE Dorset etc is as big as Bristol .As long as Eddie Howe stays .and we remain at least in the Championship,The future looks great,.[/p][/quote]Just a small point the end to which you are calling the Brighton beach end is actually the old main stand as the stadium was turned on its side when re-built. The Brighton beach end was where the east stand is now. Good news tho about talk of the ground capacity, however I'm a bit sceptical that this seems like a scaling back of their original plans to move or completely redeveloped DC. I was under the impression that originally they were looking to buy back the stadium and completely redevelop the ground by turning the stadium back on its original orientation but moving out into the car park that sits currently to the side of the main stand , which would enable them to expand capacity to 20,000. Also if we are lolling to increase capacity I'm concerned about parking and access to the stadium with many fans walking long distances or facing long delays getting away from the ground. We need better access to the Wessex way. There is a pedestrian under pass to the fitness first gym why not open it up to traffic on match days to relieve some of the traffic leaving the ground. Something needs to be done if we are to double DC's capacity. AFC BOURNE a big MOUTH
  • Score: 7

11:06am Tue 5 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Demolish Boscombe and build a new stadium and car park there....
Demolish Boscombe and build a new stadium and car park there.... speedy231278
  • Score: 10

11:07am Tue 5 Aug 14

c0ckbeard says...

The rotating or even moving the ground West and slightly South would be the ideal, however the expansion of Bishop's Close really has hamstrung us. Also would we be looking to buy a ground that's on land we own, then knocking it down and building a new ground. I know we're "rich" now but that seems crazy. I wonder whether it might be an idea to ask Structadene about building a new stadium here, recycling as much as possible, at least we might get a fresh buy back window this time. The other issue is how long do we spend away from Dean Court, as I doubt we can get one built over the summer months alone
The rotating or even moving the ground West and slightly South would be the ideal, however the expansion of Bishop's Close really has hamstrung us. Also would we be looking to buy a ground that's on land we own, then knocking it down and building a new ground. I know we're "rich" now but that seems crazy. I wonder whether it might be an idea to ask Structadene about building a new stadium here, recycling as much as possible, at least we might get a fresh buy back window this time. The other issue is how long do we spend away from Dean Court, as I doubt we can get one built over the summer months alone c0ckbeard
  • Score: 1

11:43am Tue 5 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!!
We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind. AfcbBlues
  • Score: 1

12:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Chris60 says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!!
We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
Sadly, I largely agree. If we got to the Premiership we'd probably be able to attract big crowds against the big 5 or 6 clubs but against a bottom to middle club on a Tuesday night in November? I'd guess 10,000 or so (especially when the novelty of Premiership football had worn off).

It will be a long time before we can get the regular level of support to warrant a 20,000 or bigger ground (I think the Board has realised this) and most weeks we would be playing to somewhere half empty , If we spent much time in the Championship (or got relegated) the atmosphere would be dire in a 20,000+ stadium when we had small crowds.

I think we could make the Premiership in the next few years but we have to be realistic if we do, make as much money as we can, accept we would probably be relegated but "fix the roof while the sun is shinning" and clear debts, improve the ground and build up slowly with the Premiership money and parachute payments in the hopes that one day we could hold our own in the top flight.

For now, if we could get to 15,000 capacity at Dean Court then that would seem about right and having supported the club since the early 70's, whilst hoping for the Premiership, I'd take 10th again next season (and for a good few years more!) if that was guaranteed.
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Sadly, I largely agree. If we got to the Premiership we'd probably be able to attract big crowds against the big 5 or 6 clubs but against a bottom to middle club on a Tuesday night in November? I'd guess 10,000 or so (especially when the novelty of Premiership football had worn off). It will be a long time before we can get the regular level of support to warrant a 20,000 or bigger ground (I think the Board has realised this) and most weeks we would be playing to somewhere half empty , If we spent much time in the Championship (or got relegated) the atmosphere would be dire in a 20,000+ stadium when we had small crowds. I think we could make the Premiership in the next few years but we have to be realistic if we do, make as much money as we can, accept we would probably be relegated but "fix the roof while the sun is shinning" and clear debts, improve the ground and build up slowly with the Premiership money and parachute payments in the hopes that one day we could hold our own in the top flight. For now, if we could get to 15,000 capacity at Dean Court then that would seem about right and having supported the club since the early 70's, whilst hoping for the Premiership, I'd take 10th again next season (and for a good few years more!) if that was guaranteed. Chris60
  • Score: 13

12:13pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark.s says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!!
We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
We do not have an 11,700 capacity - we have 11,700 seats in the ground - but lose several hundred to home/away support segregation (that massive bit of netting you see every game!), health and safety, and corporate seating. We then lose a few hundred every game due to season ticket holders not present.

In reality we are pushing up against our current capacity for the majority of home games, you'll hear several times over the next season we "all available tickets for the next home game have been sold". Only for the official gate to be circa 10k.

We need a larger capacity (not massive, but a few thousand or so) to allow for this natural fluctuation and give us more breathing space. 15k or so would be lovely. I'd hate to see a 20k white elephant, don't get me wrong.

I think some with clever thinking around transport and access, we have the scope to develop the south end of the ground sufficiently to give us something around the 15k we'd like.
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]We do not have an 11,700 capacity - we have 11,700 seats in the ground - but lose several hundred to home/away support segregation (that massive bit of netting you see every game!), health and safety, and corporate seating. We then lose a few hundred every game due to season ticket holders not present. In reality we are pushing up against our current capacity for the majority of home games, you'll hear several times over the next season we "all available tickets for the next home game have been sold". Only for the official gate to be circa 10k. We need a larger capacity (not massive, but a few thousand or so) to allow for this natural fluctuation and give us more breathing space. 15k or so would be lovely. I'd hate to see a 20k white elephant, don't get me wrong. I think some with clever thinking around transport and access, we have the scope to develop the south end of the ground sufficiently to give us something around the 15k we'd like. mark.s
  • Score: 17

12:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

coops1965cherry says...

mark.s wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!!
We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
We do not have an 11,700 capacity - we have 11,700 seats in the ground - but lose several hundred to home/away support segregation (that massive bit of netting you see every game!), health and safety, and corporate seating. We then lose a few hundred every game due to season ticket holders not present.

In reality we are pushing up against our current capacity for the majority of home games, you'll hear several times over the next season we "all available tickets for the next home game have been sold". Only for the official gate to be circa 10k.

We need a larger capacity (not massive, but a few thousand or so) to allow for this natural fluctuation and give us more breathing space. 15k or so would be lovely. I'd hate to see a 20k white elephant, don't get me wrong.

I think some with clever thinking around transport and access, we have the scope to develop the south end of the ground sufficiently to give us something around the 15k we'd like.
Well said Mark I could not agree more, however if we are to flirt with the premiership I feel that we need to think longer term and look to expand to a 20,000 seater stadium.
I agree nobody wants a noose round their neck but we need a sustainable plan that is thought through properly not a piecemeal one.

I don't think that 20,000 is unreasonable it is more realistic from a forward looking prospective because this club has and once again can attract 20,000 plus.

You can't keep going back to the drawing board everytime you become more successful. I feel that it should be done in 2 stages with the south stand first at least a 5,000 seater stand with the prospect of expanding the corners and even the main stand.

Better still, build a new stadium on the training facility and train on the pitch at the ground !

U T C I A D.
[quote][p][bold]mark.s[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]We do not have an 11,700 capacity - we have 11,700 seats in the ground - but lose several hundred to home/away support segregation (that massive bit of netting you see every game!), health and safety, and corporate seating. We then lose a few hundred every game due to season ticket holders not present. In reality we are pushing up against our current capacity for the majority of home games, you'll hear several times over the next season we "all available tickets for the next home game have been sold". Only for the official gate to be circa 10k. We need a larger capacity (not massive, but a few thousand or so) to allow for this natural fluctuation and give us more breathing space. 15k or so would be lovely. I'd hate to see a 20k white elephant, don't get me wrong. I think some with clever thinking around transport and access, we have the scope to develop the south end of the ground sufficiently to give us something around the 15k we'd like.[/p][/quote]Well said Mark I could not agree more, however if we are to flirt with the premiership I feel that we need to think longer term and look to expand to a 20,000 seater stadium. I agree nobody wants a noose round their neck but we need a sustainable plan that is thought through properly not a piecemeal one. I don't think that 20,000 is unreasonable it is more realistic from a forward looking prospective because this club has and once again can attract 20,000 plus. You can't keep going back to the drawing board everytime you become more successful. I feel that it should be done in 2 stages with the south stand first at least a 5,000 seater stand with the prospect of expanding the corners and even the main stand. Better still, build a new stadium on the training facility and train on the pitch at the ground ! U T C I A D. coops1965cherry
  • Score: 7

1:09pm Tue 5 Aug 14

smhinto says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
Agreed - We are not filling the ground we have at the moment. We do not have enough footballing fanbase here (too many of the Bournemouth
blue-rinse brigade).
.
Even if we reach the dizzy heights of the Premier League we will probably not get more than 15-18k per home game (another Wigan Atheletic). We will only have our ground swelled by away supporters, vice our own.
.
Regards
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Agreed - We are not filling the ground we have at the moment. We do not have enough footballing fanbase here (too many of the Bournemouth blue-rinse brigade). . Even if we reach the dizzy heights of the Premier League we will probably not get more than 15-18k per home game (another Wigan Atheletic). We will only have our ground swelled by away supporters, vice our own. . Regards smhinto
  • Score: -3

2:15pm Tue 5 Aug 14

AfcbBlues says...

How many away games did we go to last season and see grounds half empty due to the over building based on the goo times !! I agree a few thousand more would suffice fo a few years and then see how we stand. Why dont they make the Ted Mc stand for away fans, then there would be no need for segregation.
Am i the only one who thinks we will end up mid-table at best ?? And if we did, then i think this would be another successful season for AFCB.......i think everyone is getting carried away with the last 10 games from last season.
How many away games did we go to last season and see grounds half empty due to the over building based on the goo times !! I agree a few thousand more would suffice fo a few years and then see how we stand. Why dont they make the Ted Mc stand for away fans, then there would be no need for segregation. Am i the only one who thinks we will end up mid-table at best ?? And if we did, then i think this would be another successful season for AFCB.......i think everyone is getting carried away with the last 10 games from last season. AfcbBlues
  • Score: 7

2:31pm Tue 5 Aug 14

molbol says...

smhinto wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
Agreed - We are not filling the ground we have at the moment. We do not have enough footballing fanbase here (too many of the Bournemouth
blue-rinse brigade).
.
Even if we reach the dizzy heights of the Premier League we will probably not get more than 15-18k per home game (another Wigan Atheletic). We will only have our ground swelled by away supporters, vice our own.
.
Regards
Oh the irony............
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Agreed - We are not filling the ground we have at the moment. We do not have enough footballing fanbase here (too many of the Bournemouth blue-rinse brigade). . Even if we reach the dizzy heights of the Premier League we will probably not get more than 15-18k per home game (another Wigan Atheletic). We will only have our ground swelled by away supporters, vice our own. . Regards[/p][/quote]Oh the irony............ molbol
  • Score: 3

3:16pm Tue 5 Aug 14

nicoAFCB says...

If we fill in the corners and build a permanent stand where the tempory stand is now and get the capacity up to 15/16000 I believe we can fill this week in week out as the club is becoming a lot more popular within the town and surrounding area!

Also how does everyone feel about safe standing, I for one would like to see a section of the north stand become safe standing. This would increase capacity, give an option of standing and improve the atmosphere in the stadium...? UTC
If we fill in the corners and build a permanent stand where the tempory stand is now and get the capacity up to 15/16000 I believe we can fill this week in week out as the club is becoming a lot more popular within the town and surrounding area! Also how does everyone feel about safe standing, I for one would like to see a section of the north stand become safe standing. This would increase capacity, give an option of standing and improve the atmosphere in the stadium...? UTC nicoAFCB
  • Score: 8

3:18pm Tue 5 Aug 14

smhinto says...

nicoAFCB wrote:
If we fill in the corners and build a permanent stand where the tempory stand is now and get the capacity up to 15/16000 I believe we can fill this week in week out as the club is becoming a lot more popular within the town and surrounding area! Also how does everyone feel about safe standing, I for one would like to see a section of the north stand become safe standing. This would increase capacity, give an option of standing and improve the atmosphere in the stadium...? UTC
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]nicoAFCB[/bold] wrote: If we fill in the corners and build a permanent stand where the tempory stand is now and get the capacity up to 15/16000 I believe we can fill this week in week out as the club is becoming a lot more popular within the town and surrounding area! Also how does everyone feel about safe standing, I for one would like to see a section of the north stand become safe standing. This would increase capacity, give an option of standing and improve the atmosphere in the stadium...? UTC[/p][/quote]Agreed smhinto
  • Score: 6

3:32pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Court Side says...

For those saying that we had 10k or less for over 10 games last season will probably find, ( although i haven't got these stats to hand but can make a good guess), that they were games from the 1st half of the season when our form was very erratic, ( a couple of away thrashings impacting on next home attendance, losing streaks, so called "lesser" name clubs coming down). With our fantastic run in the 2nd half of the season you were finding games were pretty much selling out, i.e Leeds, Reading, QPR, to name but 3.
A 15k capacity stadium would serve us very well at the moment, and i say at the moment, because as we progress season by season i would think in potentially 5 years time a 20k+ plus stadium would be a must. Obviously the hire you go the bigger name teams you're playing against which will automatically bring crowds in as has been the case this last season plus if we really are aiming as high as we can go then if you reach the promised land do you really think we wouldn't be filling our stadium against Prem teams. How many of you had family, friends and workmates begging you to get them tickets for the FA Cup game against Liverpool? We could've filled the ground 4 times over. Now imagine if that was a regular league fixture every season along with the rest of the teams of that ilk.
For now i agree that around the 15k mark would be just about right for the progress we're making at the moment but we shouldn't rest on our laurels too long in deciding and then getting the work done as the potential extra money is out there.
I'm expecting/hoping for another top half finish this coming season, ( with a feeling, call me daft if you must, that we could even do a Burnley this season for a play off spot at least. After all, Burnley we're being tipped as possible relegation candidates this time last season with not much money spent. Only now can they see the foundations that Eddie Howe laid leading them to their great achievement).
For those saying that we had 10k or less for over 10 games last season will probably find, ( although i haven't got these stats to hand but can make a good guess), that they were games from the 1st half of the season when our form was very erratic, ( a couple of away thrashings impacting on next home attendance, losing streaks, so called "lesser" name clubs coming down). With our fantastic run in the 2nd half of the season you were finding games were pretty much selling out, i.e Leeds, Reading, QPR, to name but 3. A 15k capacity stadium would serve us very well at the moment, and i say at the moment, because as we progress season by season i would think in potentially 5 years time a 20k+ plus stadium would be a must. Obviously the hire you go the bigger name teams you're playing against which will automatically bring crowds in as has been the case this last season plus if we really are aiming as high as we can go then if you reach the promised land do you really think we wouldn't be filling our stadium against Prem teams. How many of you had family, friends and workmates begging you to get them tickets for the FA Cup game against Liverpool? We could've filled the ground 4 times over. Now imagine if that was a regular league fixture every season along with the rest of the teams of that ilk. For now i agree that around the 15k mark would be just about right for the progress we're making at the moment but we shouldn't rest on our laurels too long in deciding and then getting the work done as the potential extra money is out there. I'm expecting/hoping for another top half finish this coming season, ( with a feeling, call me daft if you must, that we could even do a Burnley this season for a play off spot at least. After all, Burnley we're being tipped as possible relegation candidates this time last season with not much money spent. Only now can they see the foundations that Eddie Howe laid leading them to their great achievement). Court Side
  • Score: 2

3:33pm Tue 5 Aug 14

miltonarcher says...

I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority.

As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000

Regards

T
I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority. As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000 Regards T miltonarcher
  • Score: -21

3:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mark.s says...

I'm personally loving the level of clubs and level of quality we see every week in the Championship - a division we can actually compete at and not get thrashed every week (something Saints might come a cropper with this season?!).

That said, football is about aiming as high as you can. We'll probably never have as good an opportunity to say that we're a club that once played in the Premiership, than the next few years.
I'm personally loving the level of clubs and level of quality we see every week in the Championship - a division we can actually compete at and not get thrashed every week (something Saints might come a cropper with this season?!). That said, football is about aiming as high as you can. We'll probably never have as good an opportunity to say that we're a club that once played in the Premiership, than the next few years. mark.s
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Court Side says...

miltonarcher wrote:
I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority.

As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000

Regards

T
Ha ha! Here she is! I admire your cojones coming back on here after all your " i've heard Lallana isn't going anywhere, he loves the Saints too much" cobblers you were spouting. Told you the fire sale was on and, believe it or not, you actually have my sympathy. Not fair when you build a team and then have it "stolen" ,( our 4 mill for Lallana was certainly a "steal" after all!). And as for that Dejan Loveren......what a w****r!!
Anyway, good luck with your new Dutch all stars team, it'll be more exciting being back to normal in that relegation scrap rather than floating around in mid table going neither up nor down.
Now move along, Eddie Mitchell was right, there's going to be new top dogs on the South Coast very soon!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority. As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000 Regards T[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Here she is! I admire your cojones coming back on here after all your " i've heard Lallana isn't going anywhere, he loves the Saints too much" cobblers you were spouting. Told you the fire sale was on and, believe it or not, you actually have my sympathy. Not fair when you build a team and then have it "stolen" ,( our 4 mill for Lallana was certainly a "steal" after all!). And as for that Dejan Loveren......what a w****r!! Anyway, good luck with your new Dutch all stars team, it'll be more exciting being back to normal in that relegation scrap rather than floating around in mid table going neither up nor down. Now move along, Eddie Mitchell was right, there's going to be new top dogs on the South Coast very soon! Court Side
  • Score: -4

4:24pm Tue 5 Aug 14

coops1965cherry says...

Court Side wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority.

As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000

Regards

T
Ha ha! Here she is! I admire your cojones coming back on here after all your " i've heard Lallana isn't going anywhere, he loves the Saints too much" cobblers you were spouting. Told you the fire sale was on and, believe it or not, you actually have my sympathy. Not fair when you build a team and then have it "stolen" ,( our 4 mill for Lallana was certainly a "steal" after all!). And as for that Dejan Loveren......what a w****r!!
Anyway, good luck with your new Dutch all stars team, it'll be more exciting being back to normal in that relegation scrap rather than floating around in mid table going neither up nor down.
Now move along, Eddie Mitchell was right, there's going to be new top dogs on the South Coast very soon!
Back to your cave mincing Arsher you should know better than to be scratching around before dark.

U T C I A D.
[quote][p][bold]Court Side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority. As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000 Regards T[/p][/quote]Ha ha! Here she is! I admire your cojones coming back on here after all your " i've heard Lallana isn't going anywhere, he loves the Saints too much" cobblers you were spouting. Told you the fire sale was on and, believe it or not, you actually have my sympathy. Not fair when you build a team and then have it "stolen" ,( our 4 mill for Lallana was certainly a "steal" after all!). And as for that Dejan Loveren......what a w****r!! Anyway, good luck with your new Dutch all stars team, it'll be more exciting being back to normal in that relegation scrap rather than floating around in mid table going neither up nor down. Now move along, Eddie Mitchell was right, there's going to be new top dogs on the South Coast very soon![/p][/quote]Back to your cave mincing Arsher you should know better than to be scratching around before dark. U T C I A D. coops1965cherry
  • Score: -3

4:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

Knock all the stadiums in kings park down and build an all in one with a roof on. Great for all types of events.
Knock all the stadiums in kings park down and build an all in one with a roof on. Great for all types of events. holdinkæft
  • Score: -4

5:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Nat1234 says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!!
We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
If we did manage sometime in the future to make the prem. we would get the crowds easily. In the bournemouth Southampton and Poole areas . There must be loads of floating supporters .
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]If we did manage sometime in the future to make the prem. we would get the crowds easily. In the bournemouth Southampton and Poole areas . There must be loads of floating supporters . Nat1234
  • Score: 2

6:45pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Chipspeed says...

Lack of ambition by some, we could fill a 20k stadium in the Prem,show ambition people get interested take blue rinse Brighton as an example!

Maybe things will change when(if)the new airport road system gets made!

Staying at the Goldsands(Dean Court finished when the old stadium was pulled down)wont be any good if the club wants to grow the only new stand you could build would be a replica of the North Stand,
The roads out of the present stadium are joke(used to be better at one time with the exit at Pokesdown)!
I dont go nowadays,last time i had to get there 2@half hours before kickoff to park up and it took 2hrs just to get onto the Spur Road after,expand the Goldsands its a joke lol
Lack of ambition by some, we could fill a 20k stadium in the Prem,show ambition people get interested take blue rinse Brighton as an example! Maybe things will change when(if)the new airport road system gets made! Staying at the Goldsands(Dean Court finished when the old stadium was pulled down)wont be any good if the club wants to grow the only new stand you could build would be a replica of the North Stand, The roads out of the present stadium are joke(used to be better at one time with the exit at Pokesdown)! I dont go nowadays,last time i had to get there 2@half hours before kickoff to park up and it took 2hrs just to get onto the Spur Road after,expand the Goldsands its a joke lol Chipspeed
  • Score: -13

7:48pm Tue 5 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

Chipspeed wrote:
Lack of ambition by some, we could fill a 20k stadium in the Prem,show ambition people get interested take blue rinse Brighton as an example!

Maybe things will change when(if)the new airport road system gets made!

Staying at the Goldsands(Dean Court finished when the old stadium was pulled down)wont be any good if the club wants to grow the only new stand you could build would be a replica of the North Stand,
The roads out of the present stadium are joke(used to be better at one time with the exit at Pokesdown)!
I dont go nowadays,last time i had to get there 2@half hours before kickoff to park up and it took 2hrs just to get onto the Spur Road after,expand the Goldsands its a joke lol
nobody got legs today? is driving to the front door the only answer.
[quote][p][bold]Chipspeed[/bold] wrote: Lack of ambition by some, we could fill a 20k stadium in the Prem,show ambition people get interested take blue rinse Brighton as an example! Maybe things will change when(if)the new airport road system gets made! Staying at the Goldsands(Dean Court finished when the old stadium was pulled down)wont be any good if the club wants to grow the only new stand you could build would be a replica of the North Stand, The roads out of the present stadium are joke(used to be better at one time with the exit at Pokesdown)! I dont go nowadays,last time i had to get there 2@half hours before kickoff to park up and it took 2hrs just to get onto the Spur Road after,expand the Goldsands its a joke lol[/p][/quote]nobody got legs today? is driving to the front door the only answer. holdinkæft
  • Score: 5

7:58pm Tue 5 Aug 14

matt68 says...

AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!!
We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
We NEED TO STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT bournemouth/poole has one of the highest populations of under 10 s this is fact,we have nearly 2500 junior cherries we need to get them hooked early which is what the club is doing , many games last year were sold out if we had a 20000 capacity stadium we probably could have filled it for a couple of league games last season as these games were sold out 2 weeks in advance and with more choice of seat we would get more than we are getting now in a bigger stadium i am not saying we would fill it every week but this club is growing and dont forget crowds of 15-20 thousand were the norm in early seventies , i believe more fans are coming through from a young age (including my 2!) this club is on the up utc!
[quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]We NEED TO STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT bournemouth/poole has one of the highest populations of under 10 s this is fact,we have nearly 2500 junior cherries we need to get them hooked early which is what the club is doing , many games last year were sold out if we had a 20000 capacity stadium we probably could have filled it for a couple of league games last season as these games were sold out 2 weeks in advance and with more choice of seat we would get more than we are getting now in a bigger stadium i am not saying we would fill it every week but this club is growing and dont forget crowds of 15-20 thousand were the norm in early seventies , i believe more fans are coming through from a young age (including my 2!) this club is on the up utc! matt68
  • Score: 6

8:00pm Tue 5 Aug 14

matt68 says...

Chipspeed wrote:
Lack of ambition by some, we could fill a 20k stadium in the Prem,show ambition people get interested take blue rinse Brighton as an example!

Maybe things will change when(if)the new airport road system gets made!

Staying at the Goldsands(Dean Court finished when the old stadium was pulled down)wont be any good if the club wants to grow the only new stand you could build would be a replica of the North Stand,
The roads out of the present stadium are joke(used to be better at one time with the exit at Pokesdown)!
I dont go nowadays,last time i had to get there 2@half hours before kickoff to park up and it took 2hrs just to get onto the Spur Road after,expand the Goldsands its a joke lol
DO you do your shopping online as well?
[quote][p][bold]Chipspeed[/bold] wrote: Lack of ambition by some, we could fill a 20k stadium in the Prem,show ambition people get interested take blue rinse Brighton as an example! Maybe things will change when(if)the new airport road system gets made! Staying at the Goldsands(Dean Court finished when the old stadium was pulled down)wont be any good if the club wants to grow the only new stand you could build would be a replica of the North Stand, The roads out of the present stadium are joke(used to be better at one time with the exit at Pokesdown)! I dont go nowadays,last time i had to get there 2@half hours before kickoff to park up and it took 2hrs just to get onto the Spur Road after,expand the Goldsands its a joke lol[/p][/quote]DO you do your shopping online as well? matt68
  • Score: 2

8:03pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Chukki's uncle says...

miltonarcher wrote:
I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority.

As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000

Regards

T
You lot doing a 5 a side league this season ?
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority. As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000 Regards T[/p][/quote]You lot doing a 5 a side league this season ? Chukki's uncle
  • Score: 1

8:05pm Tue 5 Aug 14

matt68 says...

miltonarcher wrote:
I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority.

As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000

Regards

T
Wake up little boy your directors are laughing all the way to the bank that money has gone for good its called asset stripping ,championship here you come and you will not see your board for dust! UTC
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority. As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000 Regards T[/p][/quote]Wake up little boy your directors are laughing all the way to the bank that money has gone for good its called asset stripping ,championship here you come and you will not see your board for dust! UTC matt68
  • Score: 3

8:44pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Minty Fresh says...

I think coming out and saying that the club are no longer looking for a move away from Dean Court is a red herring. When land owners know that a rich football club owner is looking to build a new stadium they will automatically raise the price. Hopefully a new site will be decided on in the near future and we will have that 25000 capacity ground within a season or two. UTCIAD!
I think coming out and saying that the club are no longer looking for a move away from Dean Court is a red herring. When land owners know that a rich football club owner is looking to build a new stadium they will automatically raise the price. Hopefully a new site will be decided on in the near future and we will have that 25000 capacity ground within a season or two. UTCIAD! Minty Fresh
  • Score: 1

9:04pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Hurn08 says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though.
I bet the temporary stand doesn't leak like the East stand does every time it rains either. I thought perhaps they might have gone for erecting a larger temporary stand this year, in light of the good season we just had.
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though.[/p][/quote]I bet the temporary stand doesn't leak like the East stand does every time it rains either. I thought perhaps they might have gone for erecting a larger temporary stand this year, in light of the good season we just had. Hurn08
  • Score: 1

10:50pm Tue 5 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

matt68 wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority.

As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000

Regards

T
Wake up little boy your directors are laughing all the way to the bank that money has gone for good its called asset stripping ,championship here you come and you will not see your board for dust! UTC
Why dont you have a bet, Saints are 9/2 to be relegated.
[quote][p][bold]matt68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: I would have thought installing additional parking racks for zimmer frames would have a higher priority. As to AFCB getting into the Premier League, dont bother. Look at the impact the Financial Fair Play shambles has had on the South Coast Giants. Clubs now have to live within their means, so, for example paying the likes of Luke Shaw £90K per week would not have been viable or within the FFP. And that is with all that Sky money and crowds averaging almost 31000 Regards T[/p][/quote]Wake up little boy your directors are laughing all the way to the bank that money has gone for good its called asset stripping ,championship here you come and you will not see your board for dust! UTC[/p][/quote]Why dont you have a bet, Saints are 9/2 to be relegated. holdinkæft
  • Score: -2

11:06pm Tue 5 Aug 14

YafcbY says...

Would it be possible to deconstruct and move the The Darlington Arena down south? Save us building a stadium!!! :)
Would it be possible to deconstruct and move the The Darlington Arena down south? Save us building a stadium!!! :) YafcbY
  • Score: 2

11:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

fishybc says...

smhinto wrote:
AfcbBlues wrote:
This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.
Agreed - We are not filling the ground we have at the moment. We do not have enough footballing fanbase here (too many of the Bournemouth
blue-rinse brigade).
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Even if we reach the dizzy heights of the Premier League we will probably not get more than 15-18k per home game (another Wigan Atheletic). We will only have our ground swelled by away supporters, vice our own.
.
Regards
Wigan Athletic is a great example. Wigan is a town half the size of Bournemouth, in competition with the big Manchester clubs just down the road, Bolton and the mighty Accrington. They used to average under 2000 in their old Div 4/3/2 days (half of our attendances at the time.)
Even if you take out the mythical 'Blue Rinse' factor, by disregarding those over 65 (sorry smhinto, no offence:), Bmths population is 50% higher than Wigans.And the conurbation figures work out in similar proportion.
No soccer tradition?Look at Franchise in div 1.Bereft of any history to be proud of (unlike us) and playing mediocre football but in adecent stadium, their attendances seem to be working out OK.
When in the Premier league, Wigan averaged from 16,900 to 20,600, and last season averaged 15000 in the Championship.I think targeting at least 20,000 is quite achievable, and I'm sure the owners see he potential too.
If the worst happened and we went down ever, we`d still ave roomfor those bonus cup games etc..
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AfcbBlues[/bold] wrote: This is laughable........we couldn't fill a 20k stadium, the support base just isn't there !! Wake up it has nothing to do with the area from here to Bristol, Dorset isn't a football area !!! We have an 11,700 capacity - but we only got over 11,000 4 times last season, and on 10 occasions we had crowds of less than 10,000......the stats don't lie ?? I think we should be happy to mix it up in the Championship for a few years, rather go for the boom and bust push into the prem, just look at examples of these foolish methods, Blackpool and Bolton spring to mind.[/p][/quote]Agreed - We are not filling the ground we have at the moment. We do not have enough footballing fanbase here (too many of the Bournemouth blue-rinse brigade). . Even if we reach the dizzy heights of the Premier League we will probably not get more than 15-18k per home game (another Wigan Atheletic). We will only have our ground swelled by away supporters, vice our own. . Regards[/p][/quote]Wigan Athletic is a great example. Wigan is a town half the size of Bournemouth, in competition with the big Manchester clubs just down the road, Bolton and the mighty Accrington. They used to average under 2000 in their old Div 4/3/2 days (half of our attendances at the time.) Even if you take out the mythical 'Blue Rinse' factor, by disregarding those over 65 (sorry smhinto, no offence:), Bmths population is 50% higher than Wigans.And the conurbation figures work out in similar proportion. No soccer tradition?Look at Franchise in div 1.Bereft of any history to be proud of (unlike us) and playing mediocre football but in adecent stadium, their attendances seem to be working out OK. When in the Premier league, Wigan averaged from 16,900 to 20,600, and last season averaged 15000 in the Championship.I think targeting at least 20,000 is quite achievable, and I'm sure the owners see he potential too. If the worst happened and we went down ever, we`d still ave roomfor those bonus cup games etc.. fishybc
  • Score: 4

7:48am Wed 6 Aug 14

Square Old Codger says...

There's no doubt that the area is changing with a greater younger element in the population, the trick is to get them interested in the Cherries. When as a boy in the immediate post war period, I was ttaken to Dean Court for the first time, when the population was half that of now, gates were in the high 20's , but then Football was more popular and Charlton had 80,000 at the Valley. It's encouraging to hear that there are so many young Cherries these days - fans for life! I would like to see the return of safe terracing, which offers choice to specators , makes it easier to catch up and meet friends and adds to the atmosphere. A two tier Stand at the South end , the German rail seating system, that allows both sitting and standing , would accomodate 5/6000 sectators (with the ends filled in ) and would go a long way to solve the capacity problem . It's difficult to see an alternative location for an arena, the Sea on one side and the "Green Belt" on the other limits choice. But good that all aspects are under consideration
There's no doubt that the area is changing with a greater younger element in the population, the trick is to get them interested in the Cherries. When as a boy in the immediate post war period, I was ttaken to Dean Court for the first time, when the population was half that of now, gates were in the high 20's , but then Football was more popular and Charlton had 80,000 at the Valley. It's encouraging to hear that there are so many young Cherries these days - fans for life! I would like to see the return of safe terracing, which offers choice to specators , makes it easier to catch up and meet friends and adds to the atmosphere. A two tier Stand at the South end , the German rail seating system, that allows both sitting and standing , would accomodate 5/6000 sectators (with the ends filled in ) and would go a long way to solve the capacity problem . It's difficult to see an alternative location for an arena, the Sea on one side and the "Green Belt" on the other limits choice. But good that all aspects are under consideration Square Old Codger
  • Score: 5

8:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

molbol says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
I think coming out and saying that the club are no longer looking for a move away from Dean Court is a red herring. When land owners know that a rich football club owner is looking to build a new stadium they will automatically raise the price. Hopefully a new site will be decided on in the near future and we will have that 25000 capacity ground within a season or two. UTCIAD!
Absolutely spot on the money Minty Fresh.
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: I think coming out and saying that the club are no longer looking for a move away from Dean Court is a red herring. When land owners know that a rich football club owner is looking to build a new stadium they will automatically raise the price. Hopefully a new site will be decided on in the near future and we will have that 25000 capacity ground within a season or two. UTCIAD![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on the money Minty Fresh. molbol
  • Score: 1

10:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

old duffa says...

dont laugh but
1buy stadium off owners
2 ask bmth council to let us have athletic ground across park
3 build 20k stadium there with part sunken ground
4 remove north east south stands
5 give main stand to bmth council for athletics and put track where are 3 stands were

sorted
all happy
dont laugh but 1buy stadium off owners 2 ask bmth council to let us have athletic ground across park 3 build 20k stadium there with part sunken ground 4 remove north east south stands 5 give main stand to bmth council for athletics and put track where are 3 stands were sorted all happy old duffa
  • Score: 1

10:46am Wed 6 Aug 14

Chipspeed says...

Matt68 Yes I do all my shopping online nowadays lol I ive out of town its a godsend and commonsense!
Fishey that's a good post!
Unless the club forks out for a Wessex way road improvement(roundabo
ut) by the Kings Park exit I cant see the council giving permission to expand the Goldsands any further than a proper South Stand(2400?),the temporary Ted Mac stand only has permision for 2yrs so something will need to be done!,,,,,,,will this post get more than -10 lol
Matt68 Yes I do all my shopping online nowadays lol I ive out of town its a godsend and commonsense! Fishey that's a good post! Unless the club forks out for a Wessex way road improvement(roundabo ut) by the Kings Park exit I cant see the council giving permission to expand the Goldsands any further than a proper South Stand(2400?),the temporary Ted Mac stand only has permision for 2yrs so something will need to be done!,,,,,,,will this post get more than -10 lol Chipspeed
  • Score: 3

11:24am Wed 6 Aug 14

mark.s says...

Chipspeed wrote:
Matt68 Yes I do all my shopping online nowadays lol I ive out of town its a godsend and commonsense!
Fishey that's a good post!
Unless the club forks out for a Wessex way road improvement(roundabo

ut) by the Kings Park exit I cant see the council giving permission to expand the Goldsands any further than a proper South Stand(2400?),the temporary Ted Mac stand only has permision for 2yrs so something will need to be done!,,,,,,,will this post get more than -10 lol
It's clearly something that the club and council need to get together and think about at least. We know the A338 is receiving a lot of money for improvements over the coming years, perhaps it's a project that could be tied in.
[quote][p][bold]Chipspeed[/bold] wrote: Matt68 Yes I do all my shopping online nowadays lol I ive out of town its a godsend and commonsense! Fishey that's a good post! Unless the club forks out for a Wessex way road improvement(roundabo ut) by the Kings Park exit I cant see the council giving permission to expand the Goldsands any further than a proper South Stand(2400?),the temporary Ted Mac stand only has permision for 2yrs so something will need to be done!,,,,,,,will this post get more than -10 lol[/p][/quote]It's clearly something that the club and council need to get together and think about at least. We know the A338 is receiving a lot of money for improvements over the coming years, perhaps it's a project that could be tied in. mark.s
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

smhinto says...

One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match.
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We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this.
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No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way. smhinto
  • Score: -4

1:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

fishybc says...

smhinto wrote:
One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match.
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We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this.
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No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates.
No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie.
Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter.
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.[/p][/quote]Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates. No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie. Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter. fishybc
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

lionheart says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though.
Yes it does SOC you're forgetting something.

AFCB own the land that the South Stand is built on albeit it is Max's security for the funds his company has invested in AFCB.

His company have a mortgage over it supporting their debenture. Structadene's sale and lease back only covers the stadium to approximately a line drawn across the penalty area at the South End and part of the away end and main stand.

That area was basically the old car park behind the former stadium and if my memory serves me correct it was security for Stanley Cohen's loan.

At the present time imho there is little attraction in AFCB paying say £5m to Structadene to do a buyback when it would only save an outlay of £360k pa. At this point in time it would be dead money and would only come from Max's company Wintel. If we had it, £5m of AFCB's income if available would be better employed for player purchases, wages or towards the South End re-development.

Annually,we need all the surplus income we have and capital injections from Max to balance the books to keep us within the strictures of FFP so spending money we haven't got would be a nonsense..

It would be more attractive for Max or another director/friendly investor to put up the money to buy back the stadium in substitution of Structadene and for them to receive the £360k pa currently paid as rental income. In these days of low interest rates that would give a reasonable return on their capital.
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though.[/p][/quote]Yes it does SOC you're forgetting something. AFCB own the land that the South Stand is built on albeit it is Max's security for the funds his company has invested in AFCB. His company have a mortgage over it supporting their debenture. Structadene's sale and lease back only covers the stadium to approximately a line drawn across the penalty area at the South End and part of the away end and main stand. That area was basically the old car park behind the former stadium and if my memory serves me correct it was security for Stanley Cohen's loan. At the present time imho there is little attraction in AFCB paying say £5m to Structadene to do a buyback when it would only save an outlay of £360k pa. At this point in time it would be dead money and would only come from Max's company Wintel. If we had it, £5m of AFCB's income if available would be better employed for player purchases, wages or towards the South End re-development. Annually,we need all the surplus income we have and capital injections from Max to balance the books to keep us within the strictures of FFP so spending money we haven't got would be a nonsense.. It would be more attractive for Max or another director/friendly investor to put up the money to buy back the stadium in substitution of Structadene and for them to receive the £360k pa currently paid as rental income. In these days of low interest rates that would give a reasonable return on their capital. lionheart
  • Score: 5

3:15pm Wed 6 Aug 14

smhinto says...

fishybc wrote:
smhinto wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates. No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie. Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter.
I don't think you can compare Brighton with Bournemouth. The two towns are completely different concepts. We have a lot of scenery and places of interest i.e. the New Forest, Brownsea island, Lulworth Cove, Durdle Door, National trust walks, Corfe Castle etc and so on and so on that will take people away from Dean Court on a Saturday afternoon as a choice.

Brighton is an isolated sea-side town that does not have the attractions that we have, Blackpool is the same, but caters more for the working classes. Hence, the greater interest in their football clubs.
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Plus the fact that Bournemouth suffers from institutional 'snobbery' that will always affect AFC Bournemouth in some way or another.
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Regards
[quote][p][bold]fishybc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.[/p][/quote]Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates. No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie. Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter.[/p][/quote]I don't think you can compare Brighton with Bournemouth. The two towns are completely different concepts. We have a lot of scenery and places of interest i.e. the New Forest, Brownsea island, Lulworth Cove, Durdle Door, National trust walks, Corfe Castle etc and so on and so on that will take people away from Dean Court on a Saturday afternoon as a choice. Brighton is an isolated sea-side town that does not have the attractions that we have, Blackpool is the same, but caters more for the working classes. Hence, the greater interest in their football clubs. . Plus the fact that Bournemouth suffers from institutional 'snobbery' that will always affect AFC Bournemouth in some way or another. . Regards smhinto
  • Score: -2

5:50pm Wed 6 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

lionheart wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though.
Yes it does SOC you're forgetting something.

AFCB own the land that the South Stand is built on albeit it is Max's security for the funds his company has invested in AFCB.

His company have a mortgage over it supporting their debenture. Structadene's sale and lease back only covers the stadium to approximately a line drawn across the penalty area at the South End and part of the away end and main stand.

That area was basically the old car park behind the former stadium and if my memory serves me correct it was security for Stanley Cohen's loan.

At the present time imho there is little attraction in AFCB paying say £5m to Structadene to do a buyback when it would only save an outlay of £360k pa. At this point in time it would be dead money and would only come from Max's company Wintel. If we had it, £5m of AFCB's income if available would be better employed for player purchases, wages or towards the South End re-development.

Annually,we need all the surplus income we have and capital injections from Max to balance the books to keep us within the strictures of FFP so spending money we haven't got would be a nonsense..

It would be more attractive for Max or another director/friendly investor to put up the money to buy back the stadium in substitution of Structadene and for them to receive the £360k pa currently paid as rental income. In these days of low interest rates that would give a reasonable return on their capital.
Spot on
[quote][p][bold]lionheart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: I dosen't make sense to spend millions on developing the ground without owning it. But the Club does need more capacity to improve revenue. As one one who now uses the "Temporary" stand, because it's better built than the rest of the Stadium ( built on the cheap! ") to modern standards with handrails and more leg room , I hope that lesson has been learnt. All depends , I imagine, just how well we continue to do on the field and growing the Club's support. Makes for an interesting Forum tonight though.[/p][/quote]Yes it does SOC you're forgetting something. AFCB own the land that the South Stand is built on albeit it is Max's security for the funds his company has invested in AFCB. His company have a mortgage over it supporting their debenture. Structadene's sale and lease back only covers the stadium to approximately a line drawn across the penalty area at the South End and part of the away end and main stand. That area was basically the old car park behind the former stadium and if my memory serves me correct it was security for Stanley Cohen's loan. At the present time imho there is little attraction in AFCB paying say £5m to Structadene to do a buyback when it would only save an outlay of £360k pa. At this point in time it would be dead money and would only come from Max's company Wintel. If we had it, £5m of AFCB's income if available would be better employed for player purchases, wages or towards the South End re-development. Annually,we need all the surplus income we have and capital injections from Max to balance the books to keep us within the strictures of FFP so spending money we haven't got would be a nonsense.. It would be more attractive for Max or another director/friendly investor to put up the money to buy back the stadium in substitution of Structadene and for them to receive the £360k pa currently paid as rental income. In these days of low interest rates that would give a reasonable return on their capital.[/p][/quote]Spot on holdinkæft
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

smhinto wrote:
One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match.
.
We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this.
.
No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
BULL ****
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.[/p][/quote]BULL **** holdinkæft
  • Score: 1

5:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

smhinto wrote:
fishybc wrote:
smhinto wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates. No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie. Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter.
I don't think you can compare Brighton with Bournemouth. The two towns are completely different concepts. We have a lot of scenery and places of interest i.e. the New Forest, Brownsea island, Lulworth Cove, Durdle Door, National trust walks, Corfe Castle etc and so on and so on that will take people away from Dean Court on a Saturday afternoon as a choice.

Brighton is an isolated sea-side town that does not have the attractions that we have, Blackpool is the same, but caters more for the working classes. Hence, the greater interest in their football clubs.
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Plus the fact that Bournemouth suffers from institutional 'snobbery' that will always affect AFC Bournemouth in some way or another.
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Regards
you have never been to sussex then?
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fishybc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.[/p][/quote]Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates. No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie. Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter.[/p][/quote]I don't think you can compare Brighton with Bournemouth. The two towns are completely different concepts. We have a lot of scenery and places of interest i.e. the New Forest, Brownsea island, Lulworth Cove, Durdle Door, National trust walks, Corfe Castle etc and so on and so on that will take people away from Dean Court on a Saturday afternoon as a choice. Brighton is an isolated sea-side town that does not have the attractions that we have, Blackpool is the same, but caters more for the working classes. Hence, the greater interest in their football clubs. . Plus the fact that Bournemouth suffers from institutional 'snobbery' that will always affect AFC Bournemouth in some way or another. . Regards[/p][/quote]you have never been to sussex then? holdinkæft
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7:03pm Wed 6 Aug 14

matt68 says...

smhinto wrote:
fishybc wrote:
smhinto wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates. No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie. Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter.
I don't think you can compare Brighton with Bournemouth. The two towns are completely different concepts. We have a lot of scenery and places of interest i.e. the New Forest, Brownsea island, Lulworth Cove, Durdle Door, National trust walks, Corfe Castle etc and so on and so on that will take people away from Dean Court on a Saturday afternoon as a choice.

Brighton is an isolated sea-side town that does not have the attractions that we have, Blackpool is the same, but caters more for the working classes. Hence, the greater interest in their football clubs.
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Plus the fact that Bournemouth suffers from institutional 'snobbery' that will always affect AFC Bournemouth in some way or another.
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Regards
Says someone who lives in Lincolnshire!
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fishybc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.[/p][/quote]Brighton. They suffer from the Holiday resort problem too. Terrible gates. No hope for us then. Oh and Blackpool, averaged 14K last season with a smaller population. Nothing to do there on a Saturday afternoon, except go to the footie. Torquay population a little over a third of Bournemouth, Conurbation with Torbay a quarter.[/p][/quote]I don't think you can compare Brighton with Bournemouth. The two towns are completely different concepts. We have a lot of scenery and places of interest i.e. the New Forest, Brownsea island, Lulworth Cove, Durdle Door, National trust walks, Corfe Castle etc and so on and so on that will take people away from Dean Court on a Saturday afternoon as a choice. Brighton is an isolated sea-side town that does not have the attractions that we have, Blackpool is the same, but caters more for the working classes. Hence, the greater interest in their football clubs. . Plus the fact that Bournemouth suffers from institutional 'snobbery' that will always affect AFC Bournemouth in some way or another. . Regards[/p][/quote]Says someone who lives in Lincolnshire! matt68
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8:47pm Wed 6 Aug 14

dekayedcherry says...

Some of us Holdinkaeft have difficulty walking any great distance with dodgy arthritic knees and need to park as near to the ground as we can.
We may not be confined to a wheelchair but need a walking stick to get about. Not all of us are fit energetic individuals that you seem to be be ???.
Perhaps the club in any redevelopment might like to take into account seating for disabled or partially disabled fans not in a wheelchair but needing seats where the fans in front of them don't continually jump to their feet thereby obscuring the view of the physically challenged. At present that is only the front row at ground level and even then your view is obscured by stewards and fans watching along the fencing.
These difficulties mean that these days rather than struggling to attend at Dean Court (something I have done since 1958) I now find it easier to be an "armchair "fan following my team on the radio and in the dry and warm as it's becoming more difficult to get a seat that suits. I am and will always be a Cherries Fan until I die ( which hopefully won't be for a good few years yet !!!). UTC
Some of us Holdinkaeft have difficulty walking any great distance with dodgy arthritic knees and need to park as near to the ground as we can. We may not be confined to a wheelchair but need a walking stick to get about. Not all of us are fit energetic individuals that you seem to be be ???. Perhaps the club in any redevelopment might like to take into account seating for disabled or partially disabled fans not in a wheelchair but needing seats where the fans in front of them don't continually jump to their feet thereby obscuring the view of the physically challenged. At present that is only the front row at ground level and even then your view is obscured by stewards and fans watching along the fencing. These difficulties mean that these days rather than struggling to attend at Dean Court (something I have done since 1958) I now find it easier to be an "armchair "fan following my team on the radio and in the dry and warm as it's becoming more difficult to get a seat that suits. I am and will always be a Cherries Fan until I die ( which hopefully won't be for a good few years yet !!!). UTC dekayedcherry
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8:56pm Wed 6 Aug 14

nonnogeppetto says...

smhinto wrote:
One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match.
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We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this.
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No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
Smhinto you forget to acknowledge the fact that Bournemouth has a University and as I worked there I know that a large number of students came to watch us play admittedly some came to watch their own team play us but a very large number came to watch AFCB and I know that the university is ever expanding and bringing more and more 18+ years old into the town October to May. So it isn't all gloom and doom and as for the holiday resort fewer and fewer people come to Bournemouth because it is cheaper to go abroad

Kind regards
Nonno
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.[/p][/quote]Smhinto you forget to acknowledge the fact that Bournemouth has a University and as I worked there I know that a large number of students came to watch us play admittedly some came to watch their own team play us but a very large number came to watch AFCB and I know that the university is ever expanding and bringing more and more 18+ years old into the town October to May. So it isn't all gloom and doom and as for the holiday resort fewer and fewer people come to Bournemouth because it is cheaper to go abroad Kind regards Nonno nonnogeppetto
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10:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

redster says...

For whatever reason I found it difficult to get tickets several times last season, hence my my first s/t for this season,
That must be an indicator of the demand for turn up and watch fans,
Only to be more difficult this season with the record s/ t sales.
The junior cherrie system is a fantastic way to bring through the future fans,
I spent most of my working life travelling and colleagues at work when asking me who I supported used to say " who" but not anymore we are making a name for ourselves and are admired for " punching " above our weight, this is going to be the season to really consolidate our worth ,and make people sit up and take notice.
UTC,s
Pp
For whatever reason I found it difficult to get tickets several times last season, hence my my first s/t for this season, That must be an indicator of the demand for turn up and watch fans, Only to be more difficult this season with the record s/ t sales. The junior cherrie system is a fantastic way to bring through the future fans, I spent most of my working life travelling and colleagues at work when asking me who I supported used to say " who" but not anymore we are making a name for ourselves and are admired for " punching " above our weight, this is going to be the season to really consolidate our worth ,and make people sit up and take notice. UTC,s Pp redster
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10:44pm Thu 7 Aug 14

redster says...

nonnogeppetto wrote:
smhinto wrote:
One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match.
.
We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this.
.
No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.
Smhinto you forget to acknowledge the fact that Bournemouth has a University and as I worked there I know that a large number of students came to watch us play admittedly some came to watch their own team play us but a very large number came to watch AFCB and I know that the university is ever expanding and bringing more and more 18+ years old into the town October to May. So it isn't all gloom and doom and as for the holiday resort fewer and fewer people come to Bournemouth because it is cheaper to go abroad

Kind regards
Nonno
Yes we are indeed a " holiday " town but having been a resident for the last 25 years I have always boasted to anyone unlucky enough in earshot of my wonderful town.
The icing on the cake will be for the cherries to stride ahead in the season and make us even more news worthy!
As for low turn outs with success comes attention and bums on seats
[quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: One further reason why AFCB will always suffer with low crowds is the fact that there is plenty of other pursuits to do in Bournemnouth and Poole on a Saturday afternoon than go to a football match. . We are a hoilday resort and will always suffer from this. . No doubt Torquay United suffer in the same way.[/p][/quote]Smhinto you forget to acknowledge the fact that Bournemouth has a University and as I worked there I know that a large number of students came to watch us play admittedly some came to watch their own team play us but a very large number came to watch AFCB and I know that the university is ever expanding and bringing more and more 18+ years old into the town October to May. So it isn't all gloom and doom and as for the holiday resort fewer and fewer people come to Bournemouth because it is cheaper to go abroad Kind regards Nonno[/p][/quote]Yes we are indeed a " holiday " town but having been a resident for the last 25 years I have always boasted to anyone unlucky enough in earshot of my wonderful town. The icing on the cake will be for the cherries to stride ahead in the season and make us even more news worthy! As for low turn outs with success comes attention and bums on seats redster
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10:32am Mon 11 Aug 14

dontrews says...

I thought they went bankrupt about 25 years ago, not long after Leeds fans trashed the town and all the local pubs locked their doors.
I thought they went bankrupt about 25 years ago, not long after Leeds fans trashed the town and all the local pubs locked their doors. dontrews
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