AFC Bournemouth: Boss Howe believes coaching is key to international success

Bournemouth Echo: CALL FOR DIRECTION: Cherries boss Eddie Howe CALL FOR DIRECTION: Cherries boss Eddie Howe

EDDIE Howe believes a drop in coaching standards has been responsible for the decline of English football – and not the influx of players from abroad.

The Cherries boss was responding after England under-21 manager Gareth Southgate called for a cap on the number of foreigners in the Championship.

Southgate, speaking to the Daily Mail, said he felt all teams should be compelled to field six or seven Englishmen in an attempt to encourage the country’s young talent to flourish.

Cherries’ resources this season have been bolstered by the arrival of record signing Tokelo Rantie, a South Africa international, and French-Senegalese Mohamed Coulibaly.

No fewer than 13 members of Howe’s first-team squad qualify to play for other countries, although Cherries’ non-English contingent is dwarfed by the likes of Watford and Brighton.

Howe, capped by his country at under-21 level, told the Daily Echo: “As a proud Englishman, I would love to see the country get as many English players through the youth system and into the first team. That goes without saying because I want the national team to do well.

“But I don’t buy the solution as being to try to limit the number of foreigners coming in. For me, we have to improve the coaching at all levels – grassroots, our own clubs, youth team and first team – because it is the only way we are going to produce better players.

“I think we have fallen way behind in coaching standards in this country and we are behind certain parts of the rest of the world and Europe. We need to get our own house in order before we start looking at the foreign player situation. If you have got better English players, you will play them.

“People are only looking farther afield because they feel they are getting a better quality product so I think it falls on our shoulders to try to produce better players.”

Howe, who holds the UEFA pro-licence, the highest available coaching qualification, said, as manager of one of the 92 clubs in the Premier League and Football League, he had never had any dialogue with the FA regarding coaching structures.

He added: “A lot is being made in the media about the future of our game. How many opinions should they take and who should make the final decision? They are really difficult questions and the future of our game depends on the answers.

“I would never tell anyone to listen to my opinion ahead of anyone else’s but I do think there needs to be a direction. At the moment, I don’t think we are seeing that happening and that is the key point.”

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7:32am Tue 29 Oct 13

nonnogeppetto says...

I am no expert in these matters but I would agree with the dropping of standards not just in coaching football players but in education in general. Having spend the last 23 years of my working life as a university lecturer I could not help but notice the drop of standards year on year in the quality and ability of incoming students.

As ever EH makes very sound judgment.

I am looking forward to this coming Saturday having spent the past week in Germany unable to listen to the Radio commentary but I was able to check on the score at half and full time. I was pleased at half time but like the rest of you disappointed with the final score. UTCIAD
I am no expert in these matters but I would agree with the dropping of standards not just in coaching football players but in education in general. Having spend the last 23 years of my working life as a university lecturer I could not help but notice the drop of standards year on year in the quality and ability of incoming students. As ever EH makes very sound judgment. I am looking forward to this coming Saturday having spent the past week in Germany unable to listen to the Radio commentary but I was able to check on the score at half and full time. I was pleased at half time but like the rest of you disappointed with the final score. UTCIAD nonnogeppetto

7:54am Tue 29 Oct 13

cheeriedriteup says...

Take an ordinary parent from the touch line , add £400 and in a few hours he / she will be certified to coach youth players - badly. It is a money spinning joke and their are coaches / managers out there that destroy the child confidence purely on the lack of skills they have in coaching or management . What happens at a young age stays with them until old age .
Take an ordinary parent from the touch line , add £400 and in a few hours he / she will be certified to coach youth players - badly. It is a money spinning joke and their are coaches / managers out there that destroy the child confidence purely on the lack of skills they have in coaching or management . What happens at a young age stays with them until old age . cheeriedriteup

8:07am Tue 29 Oct 13

canfordcherry says...

The FA's answer at grass roots level? Adopt the Spanish approach!
Youth football from u7-u10 is now small sided teams on smaller pitches to try and develop quicker skilful passing and control (tik-tak game). Time will tell if this works or not, but it will take a while to prove either way.
With the freedom of movement for European players the choice to use English/British players is surely down to the Club managers, if the talent isn't there at the moment in the UK what are they going to do? Employ a European workforce who are happy to come and play for the wages offered.
However if we are adopting the Spanish approach then why is it not used pre-game? If you were at the Madrid game or watch Spanish footy on tv you will have noticed the warm up is always the same. Stretching, small sided 4 on 4, keepers on crossing and shot stopping (as with the English game), but then they break off and have a bit of fun, skills, etc. before finishing with the whole team building play from the half way line with one touch football before a player shoots from the edge of the box. While the English game involves 6-7 players in a line waiting for their turn at passing to a coach (in youth football the whole team bar the keeper), getting a single return ball and then finishing. If we are adopting the Spanish approach from youth level lets change our whole outlook on pre-match as well .
Although I support the FA's initiative I feel it is a little half baked at present.
Also what happens when the Spanish game falls away as it must do at some point, will we be training our youth to adopt the style of the current in form nation?
The FA's answer at grass roots level? Adopt the Spanish approach! Youth football from u7-u10 is now small sided teams on smaller pitches to try and develop quicker skilful passing and control (tik-tak game). Time will tell if this works or not, but it will take a while to prove either way. With the freedom of movement for European players the choice to use English/British players is surely down to the Club managers, if the talent isn't there at the moment in the UK what are they going to do? Employ a European workforce who are happy to come and play for the wages offered. However if we are adopting the Spanish approach then why is it not used pre-game? If you were at the Madrid game or watch Spanish footy on tv you will have noticed the warm up is always the same. Stretching, small sided 4 on 4, keepers on crossing and shot stopping (as with the English game), but then they break off and have a bit of fun, skills, etc. before finishing with the whole team building play from the half way line with one touch football before a player shoots from the edge of the box. While the English game involves 6-7 players in a line waiting for their turn at passing to a coach (in youth football the whole team bar the keeper), getting a single return ball and then finishing. If we are adopting the Spanish approach from youth level lets change our whole outlook on pre-match as well . Although I support the FA's initiative I feel it is a little half baked at present. Also what happens when the Spanish game falls away as it must do at some point, will we be training our youth to adopt the style of the current in form nation? canfordcherry

8:24am Tue 29 Oct 13

smhinto says...

I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years.
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For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short.
.
YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS.
.
One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!!
.
We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level.
.
In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ??
.
Food for thought gentleman.
.
Regards
I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years. . For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short. . YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS. . One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!! . We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level. . In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ?? . Food for thought gentleman. . Regards smhinto

8:33am Tue 29 Oct 13

ifordcherry says...

smhinto wrote:
I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years.
.
For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short.
.
YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS.
.
One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!!
.
We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level.
.
In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ??
.
Food for thought gentleman.
.
Regards
Must be the 1st time i actually agree with you smhinto...Near enough every word !!
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years. . For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short. . YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS. . One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!! . We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level. . In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ?? . Food for thought gentleman. . Regards[/p][/quote]Must be the 1st time i actually agree with you smhinto...Near enough every word !! ifordcherry

8:51am Tue 29 Oct 13

TedMacsCherryPants says...

I don’t see how anyone can say that too many foreign players in our top leagues does not affect the national teams of the UK. I say teams as it’s British players that need cultivating and not just English ones. I will concede the point that perhaps there is not enough choice of British talent at the top level and attribute that to foreign players potentially being cheaper, UK coaching focus and generally physically under-active children. I can’t remember the last time I saw kids kicking a ball around in the street near me as it’s much more comfortable on the X-Box.

Nonno I can heartily agree with your sentiments on dropping standards too as there are surely more kids around that are not very literate or numerate, despite the ever increasing exam pass rates (surely not engineered by the politicians!). It is common sense to me that as general academic educational standards are falling that physical educational ones will follow. I am not saying that there are not any smart or fit kids left but I don’t think there are as many and there are many, many distractions to take them away from sport these days.

I sincerely hope that no spotty oick finds any spelling or grammar errors in this!!!!

Regards to Mr Coops as well should you traverse this forum today, have all the Trolls gone into hibernation?

UTCIAD
I don’t see how anyone can say that too many foreign players in our top leagues does not affect the national teams of the UK. I say teams as it’s British players that need cultivating and not just English ones. I will concede the point that perhaps there is not enough choice of British talent at the top level and attribute that to foreign players potentially being cheaper, UK coaching focus and generally physically under-active children. I can’t remember the last time I saw kids kicking a ball around in the street near me as it’s much more comfortable on the X-Box. Nonno I can heartily agree with your sentiments on dropping standards too as there are surely more kids around that are not very literate or numerate, despite the ever increasing exam pass rates (surely not engineered by the politicians!). It is common sense to me that as general academic educational standards are falling that physical educational ones will follow. I am not saying that there are not any smart or fit kids left but I don’t think there are as many and there are many, many distractions to take them away from sport these days. I sincerely hope that no spotty oick finds any spelling or grammar errors in this!!!! Regards to Mr Coops as well should you traverse this forum today, have all the Trolls gone into hibernation? UTCIAD TedMacsCherryPants

8:53am Tue 29 Oct 13

TedMacsCherryPants says...

^
Oops, didn't paste first line:

Smhinto & nonno good morning to you both. I would like to agree with the points made by both of you and consider the true situation to be somewhere between the two.
^ Oops, didn't paste first line: Smhinto & nonno good morning to you both. I would like to agree with the points made by both of you and consider the true situation to be somewhere between the two. TedMacsCherryPants

8:54am Tue 29 Oct 13

TedMacsCherryPants says...

^ agghh!! I meant first para!

My standards are slipping by the minute :-(
^ agghh!! I meant first para! My standards are slipping by the minute :-( TedMacsCherryPants

9:23am Tue 29 Oct 13

bobsworthforever says...

All this is all very well but foreign football maybe more successful than English but its a bit dull im fedup with all this tippy tappy with the rules being refined to almost eliminate tackling.No disrespect to Eddie but Bondys team were more exciting to watch but of course not more successful well maybe.
All this is all very well but foreign football maybe more successful than English but its a bit dull im fedup with all this tippy tappy with the rules being refined to almost eliminate tackling.No disrespect to Eddie but Bondys team were more exciting to watch but of course not more successful well maybe. bobsworthforever

9:54am Tue 29 Oct 13

pokesdown1 says...

BHA were ticky tacky under Poyet.

Its ok when your 8 points ahead at the top but its soon abandoned when things get rumbled plus a few injuries.

Witness last nights` game.
BHA were ticky tacky under Poyet. Its ok when your 8 points ahead at the top but its soon abandoned when things get rumbled plus a few injuries. Witness last nights` game. pokesdown1

9:58am Tue 29 Oct 13

nothingtofear says...

'Southgate, speaking to the Daily Mail, said he felt all teams should be compelled to field six or seven Englishmen in an attempt to encourage the country’s young talent to flourish.'

Is this the same Gareth Southgate who signed amongst others Afonso Alves, Robert Huth, Didier Digard, Jeremie Aliadiere, Marvin Emnes, Jason Euell, Marlon King, Rhys Williams, Julio Arca, Tuncay Sanli, Mido & Mohamed Shawky?

Just wondering as Southgate didn't seem to have an issue with signing foreigners, most of them mediocre at that, as Boro manager but it's a different story now he's taken over as England U21 manager and realised how bare the cupboard is.
'Southgate, speaking to the Daily Mail, said he felt all teams should be compelled to field six or seven Englishmen in an attempt to encourage the country’s young talent to flourish.' Is this the same Gareth Southgate who signed amongst others Afonso Alves, Robert Huth, Didier Digard, Jeremie Aliadiere, Marvin Emnes, Jason Euell, Marlon King, Rhys Williams, Julio Arca, Tuncay Sanli, Mido & Mohamed Shawky? Just wondering as Southgate didn't seem to have an issue with signing foreigners, most of them mediocre at that, as Boro manager but it's a different story now he's taken over as England U21 manager and realised how bare the cupboard is. nothingtofear

10:12am Tue 29 Oct 13

nonnogeppetto says...

I have no knowledge or facts to prove what I am about to say but I think that foreign players are less quick to hit the drink and other destructive forces when they start to climb the ladder of success and they are not hyped up as much as our media is keen to do as soon as they become known often resulting in their downfall. In any case I don't think there is a single issue such as the 'influx of foreign players' which is the main cause. It seems that the 'bulldog' spirit has been replaced by complacency in all sports and not just football. I speak not as a native but as one who has experienced a different culture in my formative years.

Sometimes there is too much mollycoddling for whatever reason be it H&S or other stupid rules which I am sure is also to blame.

Germany has been mentioned as a role model. I have to say that just cycling in the middle of Cologne with my six year hold grandson couple of times last week I couldn't help but conclude that the same experience lets say in the middle of Bournemouth or any of our main cities would have been a great deal different. I guess what I am saying is that there is a big cultural gap especially when it comes to respect. UTCIAD
I have no knowledge or facts to prove what I am about to say but I think that foreign players are less quick to hit the drink and other destructive forces when they start to climb the ladder of success and they are not hyped up as much as our media is keen to do as soon as they become known often resulting in their downfall. In any case I don't think there is a single issue such as the 'influx of foreign players' which is the main cause. It seems that the 'bulldog' spirit has been replaced by complacency in all sports and not just football. I speak not as a native but as one who has experienced a different culture in my formative years. Sometimes there is too much mollycoddling for whatever reason be it H&S or other stupid rules which I am sure is also to blame. Germany has been mentioned as a role model. I have to say that just cycling in the middle of Cologne with my six year hold grandson couple of times last week I couldn't help but conclude that the same experience lets say in the middle of Bournemouth or any of our main cities would have been a great deal different. I guess what I am saying is that there is a big cultural gap especially when it comes to respect. UTCIAD nonnogeppetto

10:16am Tue 29 Oct 13

AFCB_Lanky says...

smhinto wrote:
I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years.
.
For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short.
.
YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS.
.
One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!!
.
We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level.
.
In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ??
.
Food for thought gentleman.
.
Regards
Yes but the reason clubs are importing so many foreign players is because they are more talented than the English players. I saw on article on the BBC by Kevin Davies saying his son (or a friends son I can't remember) was getting coached by a guy who didn't really know much about coaching, and he sent him to get coached by an academy coach at Bolton, and the difference in how he played was phenomenal. If we have better coaches who can help the kids play better, we will unearth our very own Suarez etc.
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years. . For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short. . YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS. . One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!! . We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level. . In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ?? . Food for thought gentleman. . Regards[/p][/quote]Yes but the reason clubs are importing so many foreign players is because they are more talented than the English players. I saw on article on the BBC by Kevin Davies saying his son (or a friends son I can't remember) was getting coached by a guy who didn't really know much about coaching, and he sent him to get coached by an academy coach at Bolton, and the difference in how he played was phenomenal. If we have better coaches who can help the kids play better, we will unearth our very own Suarez etc. AFCB_Lanky

10:37am Tue 29 Oct 13

Square Old Codger says...

Eddie, is of course speaking with his Manager's hat on, like all managers he has to achieve the objectives set by the Baord and wants as few obstacles as possible in signing players. The Echo's article too ,is misleading, we have just two foreign players on our books the remainder born in the UK. Coaching is the key though and the attitude of the kids being coached and there are life style issues too. The FA should look to Germany, Holland and Spain to see how they do it and the Premier League at the Bundesliga, now the best League in the World, both for playing standards and the way it treats its customers, terraces, low prices for tickets and help for the travelling supporters. Eddie I suspect, takes pleasure from coaching and seeing players improve and for him, like that great Manager Arsene Wenger, to see young players come through is the best part of the job.
Eddie, is of course speaking with his Manager's hat on, like all managers he has to achieve the objectives set by the Baord and wants as few obstacles as possible in signing players. The Echo's article too ,is misleading, we have just two foreign players on our books the remainder born in the UK. Coaching is the key though and the attitude of the kids being coached and there are life style issues too. The FA should look to Germany, Holland and Spain to see how they do it and the Premier League at the Bundesliga, now the best League in the World, both for playing standards and the way it treats its customers, terraces, low prices for tickets and help for the travelling supporters. Eddie I suspect, takes pleasure from coaching and seeing players improve and for him, like that great Manager Arsene Wenger, to see young players come through is the best part of the job. Square Old Codger

10:37am Tue 29 Oct 13

Square Old Codger says...

Eddie, is of course speaking with his Manager's hat on, like all managers he has to achieve the objectives set by the Baord and wants as few obstacles as possible in signing players. The Echo's article too ,is misleading, we have just two foreign players on our books the remainder born in the UK. Coaching is the key though and the attitude of the kids being coached and there are life style issues too. The FA should look to Germany, Holland and Spain to see how they do it and the Premier League at the Bundesliga, now the best League in the World, both for playing standards and the way it treats its customers, terraces, low prices for tickets and help for the travelling supporters. Eddie I suspect, takes pleasure from coaching and seeing players improve and for him, like that great Manager Arsene Wenger, to see young players come through is the best part of the job.
Eddie, is of course speaking with his Manager's hat on, like all managers he has to achieve the objectives set by the Baord and wants as few obstacles as possible in signing players. The Echo's article too ,is misleading, we have just two foreign players on our books the remainder born in the UK. Coaching is the key though and the attitude of the kids being coached and there are life style issues too. The FA should look to Germany, Holland and Spain to see how they do it and the Premier League at the Bundesliga, now the best League in the World, both for playing standards and the way it treats its customers, terraces, low prices for tickets and help for the travelling supporters. Eddie I suspect, takes pleasure from coaching and seeing players improve and for him, like that great Manager Arsene Wenger, to see young players come through is the best part of the job. Square Old Codger

10:39am Tue 29 Oct 13

coops1965 says...

TedMacsCherryPants wrote:
I don’t see how anyone can say that too many foreign players in our top leagues does not affect the national teams of the UK. I say teams as it’s British players that need cultivating and not just English ones. I will concede the point that perhaps there is not enough choice of British talent at the top level and attribute that to foreign players potentially being cheaper, UK coaching focus and generally physically under-active children. I can’t remember the last time I saw kids kicking a ball around in the street near me as it’s much more comfortable on the X-Box.

Nonno I can heartily agree with your sentiments on dropping standards too as there are surely more kids around that are not very literate or numerate, despite the ever increasing exam pass rates (surely not engineered by the politicians!). It is common sense to me that as general academic educational standards are falling that physical educational ones will follow. I am not saying that there are not any smart or fit kids left but I don’t think there are as many and there are many, many distractions to take them away from sport these days.

I sincerely hope that no spotty oick finds any spelling or grammar errors in this!!!!

Regards to Mr Coops as well should you traverse this forum today, have all the Trolls gone into hibernation?

UTCIAD
Aha, morning Ted, I have not spotted one of the our furry little troll friends yet but rest assured my fellow cherriot I shall keep my sights well and truly aimed at those pesky little critters should I spot one raise his head above the parapet.

It would appear that they have indeed gone underground, however I did give one both barrels the other day and may have fatally wounded the poor little fella.

U T C I A D.
[quote][p][bold]TedMacsCherryPants[/bold] wrote: I don’t see how anyone can say that too many foreign players in our top leagues does not affect the national teams of the UK. I say teams as it’s British players that need cultivating and not just English ones. I will concede the point that perhaps there is not enough choice of British talent at the top level and attribute that to foreign players potentially being cheaper, UK coaching focus and generally physically under-active children. I can’t remember the last time I saw kids kicking a ball around in the street near me as it’s much more comfortable on the X-Box. Nonno I can heartily agree with your sentiments on dropping standards too as there are surely more kids around that are not very literate or numerate, despite the ever increasing exam pass rates (surely not engineered by the politicians!). It is common sense to me that as general academic educational standards are falling that physical educational ones will follow. I am not saying that there are not any smart or fit kids left but I don’t think there are as many and there are many, many distractions to take them away from sport these days. I sincerely hope that no spotty oick finds any spelling or grammar errors in this!!!! Regards to Mr Coops as well should you traverse this forum today, have all the Trolls gone into hibernation? UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Aha, morning Ted, I have not spotted one of the our furry little troll friends yet but rest assured my fellow cherriot I shall keep my sights well and truly aimed at those pesky little critters should I spot one raise his head above the parapet. It would appear that they have indeed gone underground, however I did give one both barrels the other day and may have fatally wounded the poor little fella. U T C I A D. coops1965

10:49am Tue 29 Oct 13

lionheart says...

St Georges Park should have been set up years ago. We are probably 10 years behind France, Spain, Italy and Germany with regard to the senior England squad but some excellent youngsters are starting to come through the England Youth teams.

When I was involved with youth football coaching back in the 90's there was talk of small sided games for under 11's but that took years to bring in. Too much talking and hot air at the FA and not enough decisive action.

When you see that the FA Council involves about 100 old boys over 60 who have never played football and are out of touch you can appreciate why there's no dynamic and decisive leadership at the top of the game in the UK.
St Georges Park should have been set up years ago. We are probably 10 years behind France, Spain, Italy and Germany with regard to the senior England squad but some excellent youngsters are starting to come through the England Youth teams. When I was involved with youth football coaching back in the 90's there was talk of small sided games for under 11's but that took years to bring in. Too much talking and hot air at the FA and not enough decisive action. When you see that the FA Council involves about 100 old boys over 60 who have never played football and are out of touch you can appreciate why there's no dynamic and decisive leadership at the top of the game in the UK. lionheart

10:54am Tue 29 Oct 13

canfordcherry says...

On the subject of foreign players congrats to Tokelo for picking up a league winners medal as Malmo have won the Swedish League!
Let's hope he's doing the same for us in the near future.
On the subject of foreign players congrats to Tokelo for picking up a league winners medal as Malmo have won the Swedish League! Let's hope he's doing the same for us in the near future. canfordcherry

11:29am Tue 29 Oct 13

Phil McG (Italy) says...

There are supportive arguments to both sides of the debate but let's not forget that we, England, haven't won anything since 1966. That's nearly '50 years of hurt'. Our continued failure started long before the influx of foreign players.

Foreign players were initially brought in because they were a cheaper option, then over time they were brought in because they were technically more gifted. That would point towards Eddie's comments with regards coaching and training of English players.
However, the nature of our game and our supporters is that we prefer 'blood and thunder' and not the slow passing game. We are not patient when it comes to 'keep ball' and sideways passing. Then again we don't want 'hoof ball' either. The style of Eddie Howe's team is not too different from that of Paul Groves and Shaun Brooks, but he has added more drive and passion, plus the results have made a big difference. People still criticize it when we play it out from the back. In many ways we want our cake and to eat it as well.

Italy has been hugely successful in the international game and Serie A is full of foreign players. Inter Milan, for example, has almost no Italian players in its first team squad. Yet the Italian national squad is made up of players from the top leagues across Europe. In comparison the England team is usually made up of Premier League fringe players and the Man Ure 'B' team.

One thing is for certain, this problem won't be fixed overnight and the FA will be hard pushed to achieve its 2022 target.
There are supportive arguments to both sides of the debate but let's not forget that we, England, haven't won anything since 1966. That's nearly '50 years of hurt'. Our continued failure started long before the influx of foreign players. Foreign players were initially brought in because they were a cheaper option, then over time they were brought in because they were technically more gifted. That would point towards Eddie's comments with regards coaching and training of English players. However, the nature of our game and our supporters is that we prefer 'blood and thunder' and not the slow passing game. We are not patient when it comes to 'keep ball' and sideways passing. Then again we don't want 'hoof ball' either. The style of Eddie Howe's team is not too different from that of Paul Groves and Shaun Brooks, but he has added more drive and passion, plus the results have made a big difference. People still criticize it when we play it out from the back. In many ways we want our cake and to eat it as well. Italy has been hugely successful in the international game and Serie A is full of foreign players. Inter Milan, for example, has almost no Italian players in its first team squad. Yet the Italian national squad is made up of players from the top leagues across Europe. In comparison the England team is usually made up of Premier League fringe players and the Man Ure 'B' team. One thing is for certain, this problem won't be fixed overnight and the FA will be hard pushed to achieve its 2022 target. Phil McG (Italy)

12:10pm Tue 29 Oct 13

TedMacsCherryPants says...

^ Phil, interesting point about the Italian national team and reinforces the old cliche that UK players do not travel well as we do not have players to call on from foreign leagues
^ Phil, interesting point about the Italian national team and reinforces the old cliche that UK players do not travel well as we do not have players to call on from foreign leagues TedMacsCherryPants

5:04pm Tue 29 Oct 13

holdinkæft says...

coops1965 wrote:
TedMacsCherryPants wrote:
I don’t see how anyone can say that too many foreign players in our top leagues does not affect the national teams of the UK. I say teams as it’s British players that need cultivating and not just English ones. I will concede the point that perhaps there is not enough choice of British talent at the top level and attribute that to foreign players potentially being cheaper, UK coaching focus and generally physically under-active children. I can’t remember the last time I saw kids kicking a ball around in the street near me as it’s much more comfortable on the X-Box.

Nonno I can heartily agree with your sentiments on dropping standards too as there are surely more kids around that are not very literate or numerate, despite the ever increasing exam pass rates (surely not engineered by the politicians!). It is common sense to me that as general academic educational standards are falling that physical educational ones will follow. I am not saying that there are not any smart or fit kids left but I don’t think there are as many and there are many, many distractions to take them away from sport these days.

I sincerely hope that no spotty oick finds any spelling or grammar errors in this!!!!

Regards to Mr Coops as well should you traverse this forum today, have all the Trolls gone into hibernation?

UTCIAD
Aha, morning Ted, I have not spotted one of the our furry little troll friends yet but rest assured my fellow cherriot I shall keep my sights well and truly aimed at those pesky little critters should I spot one raise his head above the parapet.

It would appear that they have indeed gone underground, however I did give one both barrels the other day and may have fatally wounded the poor little fella.

U T C I A D.
Still on the funny pills i see.
[quote][p][bold]coops1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TedMacsCherryPants[/bold] wrote: I don’t see how anyone can say that too many foreign players in our top leagues does not affect the national teams of the UK. I say teams as it’s British players that need cultivating and not just English ones. I will concede the point that perhaps there is not enough choice of British talent at the top level and attribute that to foreign players potentially being cheaper, UK coaching focus and generally physically under-active children. I can’t remember the last time I saw kids kicking a ball around in the street near me as it’s much more comfortable on the X-Box. Nonno I can heartily agree with your sentiments on dropping standards too as there are surely more kids around that are not very literate or numerate, despite the ever increasing exam pass rates (surely not engineered by the politicians!). It is common sense to me that as general academic educational standards are falling that physical educational ones will follow. I am not saying that there are not any smart or fit kids left but I don’t think there are as many and there are many, many distractions to take them away from sport these days. I sincerely hope that no spotty oick finds any spelling or grammar errors in this!!!! Regards to Mr Coops as well should you traverse this forum today, have all the Trolls gone into hibernation? UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Aha, morning Ted, I have not spotted one of the our furry little troll friends yet but rest assured my fellow cherriot I shall keep my sights well and truly aimed at those pesky little critters should I spot one raise his head above the parapet. It would appear that they have indeed gone underground, however I did give one both barrels the other day and may have fatally wounded the poor little fella. U T C I A D.[/p][/quote]Still on the funny pills i see. holdinkæft

5:13pm Tue 29 Oct 13

raybren says...

smhinto wrote:
I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years.
.
For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short.
.
YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS.
.
One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!!
.
We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level.
.
In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ??
.
Food for thought gentleman.
.
Regards
How many fingers have you got on your hands Smhinto ? Cole , Lampard , Terry , Cahill , Gibbs , Wilshire , Walcott , Oxlade - Chamberlain , that ' s 8 ! Are you saying that these players will not benefit from playing alongside the likes of Ozul , Oscar etc. ? We have suffered from a dearth of world class players since 66 / 70 ( Bobby Moore , Bobby Charlton , Gordon Banks , Ray Wilson ) . Regards from one of your BALL BRAINS !
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years. . For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short. . YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS. . One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!! . We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level. . In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ?? . Food for thought gentleman. . Regards[/p][/quote]How many fingers have you got on your hands Smhinto ? Cole , Lampard , Terry , Cahill , Gibbs , Wilshire , Walcott , Oxlade - Chamberlain , that ' s 8 ! Are you saying that these players will not benefit from playing alongside the likes of Ozul , Oscar etc. ? We have suffered from a dearth of world class players since 66 / 70 ( Bobby Moore , Bobby Charlton , Gordon Banks , Ray Wilson ) . Regards from one of your BALL BRAINS ! raybren

5:15pm Tue 29 Oct 13

holdinkæft says...

smhinto wrote:
I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years.
.
For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short.
.
YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS.
.
One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!!
.
We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level.
.
In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ??
.
Food for thought gentleman.
.
Regards
WOW, it looks like everyone disagrees with Howe.
All the reasons have been printed here. X box, laziness on the adults side too.
Its just the way things are in England today, most companies would rather employ a non brit due to their willinness to work. The English have become lazy. And it filters down to the kids.
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years. . For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short. . YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS. . One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!! . We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level. . In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ?? . Food for thought gentleman. . Regards[/p][/quote]WOW, it looks like everyone disagrees with Howe. All the reasons have been printed here. X box, laziness on the adults side too. Its just the way things are in England today, most companies would rather employ a non brit due to their willinness to work. The English have become lazy. And it filters down to the kids. holdinkæft

5:55pm Tue 29 Oct 13

CherryFarmer says...

I would welcome a regulation that stipulated that at least 5 of the team on the pitch were English....that would obviously still allow the other 6 in the team to be foreign. That would still ensure that if we really do learn a lot from foreign players we could still do so, but, it also means that there will be at least 5 English players on the field to learn those lessons.
By the way smhinto, have you heard that the Arsenal midfielder Frimpong has today been reprimanded by the club for complaining on Twitter that he was NOT in the Arsenal team tonight BECAUSE he was not white or English!!!!! Also smhinto, if there were better scouts in this country perhaps they might unearth some of the undoubted talent that exists.....guess that if most of the scouts are like you they wouldn't know their @rse from their elbow.
I would welcome a regulation that stipulated that at least 5 of the team on the pitch were English....that would obviously still allow the other 6 in the team to be foreign. That would still ensure that if we really do learn a lot from foreign players we could still do so, but, it also means that there will be at least 5 English players on the field to learn those lessons. By the way smhinto, have you heard that the Arsenal midfielder Frimpong has today been reprimanded by the club for complaining on Twitter that he was NOT in the Arsenal team tonight BECAUSE he was not white or English!!!!! Also smhinto, if there were better scouts in this country perhaps they might unearth some of the undoubted talent that exists.....guess that if most of the scouts are like you they wouldn't know their @rse from their elbow. CherryFarmer

9:21pm Tue 29 Oct 13

Cherry Tony says...

Clubs should select the best players regardless of nationality. English players have to become more technical. Giving them an unfair advantage over foreign players is the worst way to get them to improve. Let's face it, England were rubbish in the 70s when there were almost no foreigners in our league. Competition in all walks of life is what brings out the best in people.
Clubs should select the best players regardless of nationality. English players have to become more technical. Giving them an unfair advantage over foreign players is the worst way to get them to improve. Let's face it, England were rubbish in the 70s when there were almost no foreigners in our league. Competition in all walks of life is what brings out the best in people. Cherry Tony

12:29am Wed 30 Oct 13

cheeriedriteup says...

holdinkæft wrote:
smhinto wrote:
I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years.
.
For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short.
.
YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS.
.
One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!!
.
We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level.
.
In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ??
.
Food for thought gentleman.
.
Regards
WOW, it looks like everyone disagrees with Howe.
All the reasons have been printed here. X box, laziness on the adults side too.
Its just the way things are in England today, most companies would rather employ a non brit due to their willinness to work. The English have become lazy. And it filters down to the kids.
I do not disagree with Howe at all, I will tell you why, further more in am saying why because I have connections in the UK and Europe,
I will use AFCB as the UK example , The likes of Adrian bishop and Terry and Matty Holmes introduce young lads to the youth system at all ages , 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1
5 years old, after 6 or 12 weeks they are dropped from the ADC of AFCB presumably not good enough !
Now the Spanish and Portuguese youth system are totally different , if they select a youth to be entered into the youth system they see it is their duty to develope the child because they choose the child to be in the mix, they will work and stick with this boy until eighteen years old, if he hasn't met the grad then the clubs development hasn't worked, they have failed, UK clubs, you cannot develope a child, or youth over a twelve week period, if you choose to accept a child then stick with him / her
[quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: I strongly disagree with Eddie on this and totally agree with Southgate. It is so blatently obvious that the influx of foreign players in the Premier League especially has had a negative impact on the England squad and the resultant lack of success over the years. . For example, when Arsenal play Chelsea one could name on one hand the number of English players on the field. In fact it is getting to the stage with any Premier League game that the number of English players on the field is woefully short. . YET STILL THERE ARE SOME BALL BRAINS WHO STILL CANNOT SEE HOW THIS AFFECTS THE ENGLAND TEAM AND RELEVANT SUCCESS. . One will note that the Germans limit the number of foreign players in their BundesLeague and alas, they are one of the most successful sides on the international scene. - I wonder why!! . We have a situation where foreigners are permiited to buy Premier League clubs, who then employ foreign managers, who then sign foreign players !! Then there are many people who then wonder why we have selection issues at international level. . In conclusion, if we fill up the Premier League with foreign players how the hell are we going to pick English player for an England squad ?? . Food for thought gentleman. . Regards[/p][/quote]WOW, it looks like everyone disagrees with Howe. All the reasons have been printed here. X box, laziness on the adults side too. Its just the way things are in England today, most companies would rather employ a non brit due to their willinness to work. The English have become lazy. And it filters down to the kids.[/p][/quote]I do not disagree with Howe at all, I will tell you why, further more in am saying why because I have connections in the UK and Europe, I will use AFCB as the UK example , The likes of Adrian bishop and Terry and Matty Holmes introduce young lads to the youth system at all ages , 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1 5 years old, after 6 or 12 weeks they are dropped from the ADC of AFCB presumably not good enough ! Now the Spanish and Portuguese youth system are totally different , if they select a youth to be entered into the youth system they see it is their duty to develope the child because they choose the child to be in the mix, they will work and stick with this boy until eighteen years old, if he hasn't met the grad then the clubs development hasn't worked, they have failed, UK clubs, you cannot develope a child, or youth over a twelve week period, if you choose to accept a child then stick with him / her cheeriedriteup

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