Cherries: I got penalty decision correct in the end says referee (From Bournemouth Echo)

Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

The Renegade Master wrote:
Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

If you read the article you will see that it was advice from his other officials which changed his mind not the players haranguing him.

I think that to change his mind shows courage not weakness.

Try professional refereeing then you will see things differently.

poolebob wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote:
Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

If you read the article you will see that it was advice from his other officials which changed his mind not the players haranguing him.

I think that to change his mind shows courage not weakness.

Try professional refereeing then you will see things differently.

Let's face it, if the boot was on the other foot, we'd all be applauding him, so yes it's annoying. Also in THIS instance, I can't blame Arter for losing it, his problem is, most of all his other bookings are needless. But surely the officials can understand players being hacked off with a decision like that being turned over and should be a little more understanding. All that said, atleast Harry only misses a Cup game and is not on a knife edge with all the Christmas games coming up. So long as he DOES'NT get sent off!!! BUTTON IT HARRY... UTCIAD

Fair play to the ref I say, so long as this is a one off. At the end of the day, it would appear that he made the right decision. To stick to his guns, if he knew the decision was wrong, would have been dishonest

This is where the confusion lies. The ref says " for a split second, i thought it was handball but as soon as i blew the whistle for a penalty, i knew i had made a mistake". So why in ALL the match reports that i have read does it say the ref seemed to take "an age" to point to the spot. Someone is telling porkies me thinks. Perhaps he realised he'd made a mistake when he noticed he hadn't awarded the pen to the team in White, moreover i wonder if he'd have reached the same conclusion if it had been awarded to the home team. ERM.??????.

I can agree with the 'courage to change his mind' comments on here, but I can also agree that he has left him self open to being 'bullied' by players into changing his mind in the future and what would have happened if it had been a penalty to Bury.

I never expected him to say that the players influenced his decision so I'm not surprised by his comments about being told by the other officials.

As I said on another thread, the wiser decision would have been to consult the linesman first - after all the ball was dead as it had gone out of play so an instant decision was not needed.

poolebob wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote:
Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

If you read the article you will see that it was advice from his other officials which changed his mind not the players haranguing him.

I think that to change his mind shows courage not weakness.

Try professional refereeing then you will see things differently.

Professional refs are paid decent money to make balanced decisions and get them right. I accept that occasionly they may get it wrong, but i cant help thinking this guy has made a rod for his own back. Time will tell.!!!!!!! . We (afcb) have indeed profited from some very dodgey decisions in the past.

poolebob wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote:
Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

If you read the article you will see that it was advice from his other officials which changed his mind not the players haranguing him.

I think that to change his mind shows courage not weakness.

Try professional refereeing then you will see things differently.

Professional refs are paid decent money to make balanced decisions and get them right. I accept that occasionly they may get it wrong, but i cant help thinking this guy has made a rod for his own back. Time will tell.!!!!!!! . We (afcb) have indeed profited from some very dodgey decisions in the past.

poolebob wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote:
Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

If you read the article you will see that it was advice from his other officials which changed his mind not the players haranguing him.

I think that to change his mind shows courage not weakness.

Try professional refereeing then you will see things differently.

Spot on.

Sorry Afcbpete but I DO blame the wonderfully talented but ill disciplined Harry Arter in this case. Let's face it, if we'd been told one player had been booked for dissent following the ref's mistake we all know who it would have been! He missed SIX games through suspension last season and will get his second ban this season at the weekend. He keeps talking the talk about controlling his over active vocal cords but has yet to walk the walk; maybe some draconian disciplinary measures are needed to sharpen his self discipline.
As for the ref - there's a few hypocrites on here who'd be out of a job if the same sanctions they want applied to him for making one mistake were applied to them in their working lives! He made a mistake and had the courage to hold his hands up and put it right for which he deserves credit. There are plenty of big name refs with egos to match who wouldn't have the cojones to do that!

slartybart wrote:
Sorry Afcbpete but I DO blame the wonderfully talented but ill disciplined Harry Arter in this case. Let's face it, if we'd been told one player had been booked for dissent following the ref's mistake we all know who it would have been! He missed SIX games through suspension last season and will get his second ban this season at the weekend. He keeps talking the talk about controlling his over active vocal cords but has yet to walk the walk; maybe some draconian disciplinary measures are needed to sharpen his self discipline.
As for the ref - there's a few hypocrites on here who'd be out of a job if the same sanctions they want applied to him for making one mistake were applied to them in their working lives! He made a mistake and had the courage to hold his hands up and put it right for which he deserves credit. There are plenty of big name refs with egos to match who wouldn't have the cojones to do that!

I've got the ideal Christmas present for Harry. One satsuma, one roll of duct tape and a snood, fitted in that order and to be worn at all matches over the Christmas period. Great player, great talent, yet still showing lack of self control, so frustrating for fans and manager alike. As for Saturdays' referee, let's move on. Some posters are doing exactly what Harry was doing, getting worked up about something you can't change.

slartybart wrote:
Sorry Afcbpete but I DO blame the wonderfully talented but ill disciplined Harry Arter in this case. Let's face it, if we'd been told one player had been booked for dissent following the ref's mistake we all know who it would have been! He missed SIX games through suspension last season and will get his second ban this season at the weekend. He keeps talking the talk about controlling his over active vocal cords but has yet to walk the walk; maybe some draconian disciplinary measures are needed to sharpen his self discipline.
As for the ref - there's a few hypocrites on here who'd be out of a job if the same sanctions they want applied to him for making one mistake were applied to them in their working lives! He made a mistake and had the courage to hold his hands up and put it right for which he deserves credit. There are plenty of big name refs with egos to match who wouldn't have the cojones to do that!

I've got the ideal Christmas present for Harry. One satsuma, one roll of duct tape and a snood, fitted in that order and to be worn at all matches over the Christmas period. Great player, great talent, yet still showing lack of self control, so frustrating for fans and manager alike. As for Saturdays' referee, let's move on. Some posters are doing exactly what Harry was doing, getting worked up about something you can't change.

slartybart wrote:
Sorry Afcbpete but I DO blame the wonderfully talented but ill disciplined Harry Arter in this case. Let's face it, if we'd been told one player had been booked for dissent following the ref's mistake we all know who it would have been! He missed SIX games through suspension last season and will get his second ban this season at the weekend. He keeps talking the talk about controlling his over active vocal cords but has yet to walk the walk; maybe some draconian disciplinary measures are needed to sharpen his self discipline.
As for the ref - there's a few hypocrites on here who'd be out of a job if the same sanctions they want applied to him for making one mistake were applied to them in their working lives! He made a mistake and had the courage to hold his hands up and put it right for which he deserves credit. There are plenty of big name refs with egos to match who wouldn't have the cojones to do that!

I dont see anyone asking for sanctions to be applied at all. The fact is, if the ref had any doubt at all then he should have 1: NOT AWARDED THE PENALTY AT ALL. or 2: CONSULT WITH LINESMAN TO SEEK ADVICE BEFORE AWARDING A PENALTY (or not). Incidently we regulary see people in the public eye (e.g politicians) being forced to resign for errors of judgment, which obviously i am not advocating in this case, but you get my meaning, Right.!!!

i personally think this booking was deliberate and if it had not come at this point in the game you would have seen it later on in the match, Yes harry now misses the FA cup tie but in recent weeks it has been made clear where the clubs prioritys are and that is with the league. Harry is a key player in our push to promotion this way he doesn't miss a league game he is such a key player for us

UTCIAD

I entirely agree with Steady Eddie 1 on this issue.

The ref should have consulted the assistent (linesman) before he awarded the penalty 'or not as the case would have been'.

He obviously awarded it in the first instance because he thought it right to do so. Will referees now subsequently consult other officials when they have shown the red card and than change their mind? think not.

There is nothing wrong with making mistakes what is important is how one deals with the consequences of making a mistake. UTCIAD

assistant (I was 100% sure I spelt it correctly)

.Full marks to the Referee. . . . . . He is running the show, not the football teams.

nonnogeppetto wrote:
I entirely agree with Steady Eddie 1 on this issue.

The ref should have consulted the assistent (linesman) before he awarded the penalty 'or not as the case would have been'.

He obviously awarded it in the first instance because he thought it right to do so. Will referees now subsequently consult other officials when they have shown the red card and than change their mind? think not.

There is nothing wrong with making mistakes what is important is how one deals with the consequences of making a mistake. UTCIAD

Very good point nonno regarding red cards, quite agree. I guess we all know the answer though. It is refreshing to see the ref come out and explain his decision for a change though isn't it.!!!!.

Eddies right no decision should be changed if its wrong its wrong part of the game lets hope this isnt an extension of the goal line technology madness.

Nice 1 ref haha

poolebob wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote:
Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

If you read the article you will see that it was advice from his other officials which changed his mind not the players haranguing him.

I think that to change his mind shows courage not weakness.

Try professional refereeing then you will see things differently.

Spot on. It's very easy to criticise a referee for getting a decision wrong, people fail to realise or just refuse to accept that they have to make a decision in a split second with 1 view and at speed, they will get one wrong occasionally, they are only human. His team are there to assist him and in this instance they did just that, this time it went against us, another time it will go in our favour.

Any incident looks vastly different from different angles, you only have to watch MOTD to see one talked about incident where with the 24 camera angles looks inconclusive from some views, stonewalled from others and there is always 1 that shows it never happened. The reality is most referees make less mistakes/game than the players who are getting paid 10/15/20/50 times more than they do yet we as fans in general expect the referee to be perfect while happily turning a blind eye to our own players shortcomings when they occur.

Credit to him for having the courage to change his mind and get the decision right and even more so for standing up and saying yes I got it wrong but was able to put it right & explaining the hows and whys.

Referees deserve more respect than they get, without them no game would ever go ahead... When we have 22 perfect players out on the pitch, 100% pinpoint accuracy with every pass, every shot hitting the back of the net not row z, every shot by the other team saved by our keeper, no diving, no cheating, no gamesmanship, then I will expect refs to be perfect. Until then thank you to every ref out there (good or bad) who allows us to watch our team week in week out, without you Saturday afternoon would be very boring, oh and without you we may have to focus on our own players mistakes or lack of discipline instead of the 1 mistake you might make!

Ste-V-e wrote:

poolebob wrote:

The Renegade Master wrote:
Carl Boyeson needs to quit refereeing after his shambolic display on Saturday. If a referee gives a penalty it means he should be certain of the decision before blowing the whistle. Changing his mind, rightly or wrongly, showed weakness and every player will know now that if they harangue a decision they don't like that he may change his mind again. Pathetic.

If you read the article you will see that it was advice from his other officials which changed his mind not the players haranguing him.

I think that to change his mind shows courage not weakness.

Try professional refereeing then you will see things differently.

Spot on.

is that penalty spot!!

Unusuallyfor me, I must say I'm with the ref on this one. We all make mistakes. What counts is putting them right, which he appears to have done.
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Harry H needs to back up all the talk about controlling the back chat. Eddie H needs to fine him (and other players) when this happens, as Cloughie used to.
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OK, I think the honeymoon is over now. It will be a hard graft to maintain a good top half finish in my view. There is a great deal needing to b done to balance the squad. EH will need a good sort out and will start in January if he can.
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I do not think we should expect to go up this year. Comparisons with Saints 2 years ago are invalid for 2 reasons. First they had a much stronger and better balanced squad. Second, they made the managerial change a full month earlier than we did.
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As for the future, cut backs are on the way as EM has indicated the club is unsustainable with the current set up. I suspect Mr Demin may be putting the block on.
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Have I missed something, or can someone help me out ? I saw that Adam Barrett, now captain at Gillingham, has signed a new contract. I thought he was there on loan ? Not that I want him back, you understand !