PROMISES: David Cameron outside the BIC where he was speaking at the LGA conference
THE green belt is safe in Conservative hands.
That was the pledge from Tory leader David Cameron in an exclusive interview with the Daily Echo yesterday.
And he said Dorset would not have to face the prospect of 48,000 new homes being built if he becomes Prime Minister.
The Opposition leader spoke to the Echo after addressing the Local Government Association conference at the BIC and said councils would be free to make their own decisions.
He told us: "We will scrap the government targets because they are the wrong approach.
"Targets create a huge amount of local anger and people feel they haven't been consulted and that it's being imposed on them.
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"Yes we need more homes built, everyone knows that, but it should be done from the bottom up which should be local councils getting incentives to build houses so they feel it's of benefit to their community.
"Local areas should get a greater choice about the balance they want to strike between development and conservation."
He described the green belt as "a very important safeguard," and said he would abolish regional assemblies.
"Be in no doubt they will go and their powers returned to local councils."
Last week the Echo reported that local councils were uniting to fight tens of thousands of new homes in south east Dorset, expected to be announced by the government this month.
They include 16,100 in Bournemouth and 10,000 in Poole between now and 2026.
“Local areas should get a greater choice about the balance they want to strike between development and conservation.”
Tory leader David Cameron
Outside the BIC, the Tory leader met dozens of campaigners from Lytchett Matravers, where plans for several thousands of the proposed homes are being bitterly opposed.
He said: "I think one of the most precious assets we have as a nation is the beauty of the countryside. It really should be for local people to be in the driving seat, to have the power to make these decisions."
Mr Cameron told delegates that while he would devolve power to local councils, he wanted them to do the same with voluntary bodies, charities and community organisations.
"We have to let go to you and you have to let go to the community. I hope you will keep your part of the bargain if I keep mine."
But he warned them: "If we win the next election there will be no magic pot of money.
"The cupboard is already bare. It will be tough."
Mr Cameron also told the Echo there was no easy answer to local government finance and the scourge of ever increasing council tax bills.
"It's just been used as a stealth tax and has basically doubled in areas like this. No one feels their services are as good as ten years ago. We will do all we can to take bureaucracy off local government."
He added: "I believe Dorset will be better off under the Conservatives. The big challenge is the broken society and we need a government that really gets to grips with that."
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 7:42am Fri 4 Jul 08
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM
[quote][bold]muffin the mule[/bold] wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM[/quote] No, nobody (even Coco the clown) could be worse than Brown!
muffin the mule wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM
No, nobody (even Coco the clown) could be worse than Brown!
Posted by: mdale, Alderholt on 8:17am Fri 4 Jul 08
I don't understand the previous remarks. What do you expect him to say?
"This country's going to hell in a handcart and there's nothing anyone can do about it?"
I don't understand the previous remarks. What do you expect him to say?
"This country's going to hell in a handcart and there's nothing anyone can do about it?"
The choice in this particular area (ie Bournemouth, mainly) is either to build on the green belt, which allows greater freedom for decent housing layouts and space, or to continue to build within the existing urban areas at greater densities, more flats, and less space! - Neither ideal, but surely some green belt expansion can't hurt!
The choice in this particular area (ie Bournemouth, mainly) is either to build on the green belt, which allows greater freedom for decent housing layouts and space, or to continue to build within the existing urban areas at greater densities, more flats, and less space! - Neither ideal, but surely some green belt expansion can't hurt!
Posted by: b&bathletic, Pokesdown on 8:56am Fri 4 Jul 08
Bungle,
Totally agree. It's the minority of very well off who oppose any building on green belt. For the younger generation something has to be done or the area will return to being a dead retirement town or a town of flats and no houses.
Cameron's remarks are just headline grabbing. What is his way of helping the poorer and the younger have a decent home?
I think our local politicians would be surprised at real people's views rather than the noisy nimbys.
Bungle,
Totally agree. It's the minority of very well off who oppose any building on green belt. For the younger generation something has to be done or the area will return to being a dead retirement town or a town of flats and no houses.
Cameron's remarks are just headline grabbing. What is his way of helping the poorer and the younger have a decent home?
I think our local politicians would be surprised at real people's views rather than the noisy nimbys.
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 8:58am Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]bungle[/bold] wrote:
The choice in this particular area (ie Bournemouth, mainly) is either to build on the green belt, which allows greater freedom for decent housing layouts and space, or to continue to build within the existing urban areas at greater densities, more flats, and less space! - Neither ideal, but surely some green belt expansion can't hurt![/quote] Green belt expansion can't hurt?
Destruction of animal habitats, reduced biodiversity, increased risk of flooding...
Nah. Can't hurt, can it?
There are tens of thousands of homes standing empty in this country as well as brownfield sites. There are second homes and holiday flats that should be taxed back onto the market before we think about further destruction.
bungle wrote:
The choice in this particular area (ie Bournemouth, mainly) is either to build on the green belt, which allows greater freedom for decent housing layouts and space, or to continue to build within the existing urban areas at greater densities, more flats, and less space! - Neither ideal, but surely some green belt expansion can't hurt!
Green belt expansion can't hurt?
Destruction of animal habitats, reduced biodiversity, increased risk of flooding...
Nah. Can't hurt, can it?
There are tens of thousands of homes standing empty in this country as well as brownfield sites. There are second homes and holiday flats that should be taxed back onto the market before we think about further destruction.
Posted by: In Absentia, Bournemouth on 9:03am Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]muffin the mule[/bold] wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM[/quote] He's behaving exactly the same way that Blair did in 1997. Why are you surprised?
muffin the mule wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM
He's behaving exactly the same way that Blair did in 1997. Why are you surprised?
Posted by: MarcusD, Bournemouth on 10:07am Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Mr Cameron also told the Echo there was no easy answer to local government finance and the scourge of ever increasing council tax bills.
"It's just been used as a stealth tax and has basically doubled in areas like this."[/bold] [/quote]
Hmm . . . as the majority of councils in Dorset have been relentlessly Tory over the past 10 years, who do we have to blame for council tax rises?
Is Cameron pledging to put money into local services to keep down council tax bills? I think not.
And the Tories cannot pontificate about stealth taxes.
The Conservatives were the ones who first hiked VAT to a hefty 17.5 per cent and even tried to impose the full rate on domestic fuel and power (it's currently 5 per cent).
Think how THAT would have hit your energy bills on top of the other price hikes.
Mr Cameron also told the Echo there was no easy answer to local government finance and the scourge of ever increasing council tax bills.
"It's just been used as a stealth tax and has basically doubled in areas like this."
Hmm . . . as the majority of councils in Dorset have been relentlessly Tory over the past 10 years, who do we have to blame for council tax rises?
Is Cameron pledging to put money into local services to keep down council tax bills? I think not.
And the Tories cannot pontificate about stealth taxes.
The Conservatives were the ones who first hiked VAT to a hefty 17.5 per cent and even tried to impose the full rate on domestic fuel and power (it's currently 5 per cent).
Think how THAT would have hit your energy bills on top of the other price hikes.
Posted by: Mark, Bournemouth on 10:18am Fri 4 Jul 08
Is it not indicitive of the damage Bliar, Brown and NuLabour have done to politics that when someone like Cameron talks sense we don't believe them.
We are going to have to trust someone to turn this Country around after the last eleven years of waste, social destruction and above all corruption.
Is it not indicitive of the damage Bliar, Brown and NuLabour have done to politics that when someone like Cameron talks sense we don't believe them.
We are going to have to trust someone to turn this Country around after the last eleven years of waste, social destruction and above all corruption.
Posted by: Chris McColl, Bournemouth on 10:49am Fri 4 Jul 08
" [italic]There are second homes and holiday flats that should be taxed back onto the market[/italic] "
Blimey I know (call me) Dave will say anything to anyone but can you seriously see him stating that ?
Nevermind the 'hug a hoody' it'll be grab the greedy as usual.
" There are second homes and holiday flats that should be taxed back onto the market "
Blimey I know (call me) Dave will say anything to anyone but can you seriously see him stating that ?
Nevermind the 'hug a hoody' it'll be grab the greedy as usual.
Planning should be done locally not at Government level. Ministers have no understanding of local infrastructure & issues -leave it to those in the know! not dictatorial members of Parliament like Hazel Blears who think they can take away our Greenbelt & sneak through the results of the RSS report during the summer recess allowing those of us who oppose it only 12 weeks of consultation!
Planning should be done locally not at Government level. Ministers have no understanding of local infrastructure & issues -leave it to those in the know! not dictatorial members of Parliament like Hazel Blears who think they can take away our Greenbelt & sneak through the results of the RSS report during the summer recess allowing those of us who oppose it only 12 weeks of consultation!
Posted by: In Absentia, Bournemouth on 10:53am Fri 4 Jul 08
If the Tories get in at the next election, what will happen is that Tory Councils will probably get better grant settlements than Labour/Lib Dem ones. It's the usual tit for tat politics.
If the Tories get in at the next election, what will happen is that Tory Councils will probably get better grant settlements than Labour/Lib Dem ones. It's the usual tit for tat politics.
Planning should be done locally not at Government level. Ministers have no understanding of local infrastructure & issues -leave it to those in the know! not dictatorial members of Parliament like Hazel Blears who think they can take away our Greenbelt & sneak through the results of the RSS report during the summer recess allowing those of us who oppose it only 12 weeks of consultation!
Planning should be done locally not at Government level. Ministers have no understanding of local infrastructure & issues -leave it to those in the know! not dictatorial members of Parliament like Hazel Blears who think they can take away our Greenbelt & sneak through the results of the RSS report during the summer recess allowing those of us who oppose it only 12 weeks of consultation!
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 12:27pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]muffin the mule[/bold] wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM[/quote] No, nobody (even Coco the clown) could be worse than Brown![/quote] believe me i know theres nothing to choose but id rather be 'rogered' by someone who does it properly than by a fumbler,Cameron is all virgin - i would lie through my back teeth too for the sort of money these freaks earn ....we are in for a tough ride - brown has got to go for sure he just is not on this planet but to be replaced by Cameron ..please no !!! he's a disaster waiting to happen
Phil wrote:
muffin the mule wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM
No, nobody (even Coco the clown) could be worse than Brown!
believe me i know theres nothing to choose but id rather be 'rogered' by someone who does it properly than by a fumbler,Cameron is all virgin - i would lie through my back teeth too for the sort of money these freaks earn ....we are in for a tough ride - brown has got to go for sure he just is not on this planet but to be replaced by Cameron ..please no !!! he's a disaster waiting to happen
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 12:28pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]muffin the mule[/bold] wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM[/quote] No, nobody (even Coco the clown) could be worse than Brown![/quote] believe me i know theres nothing to choose but id rather be 'rogered' by someone who does it properly than by a fumbler,Cameron is all virgin - i would lie through my back teeth too for the sort of money these freaks earn ....we are in for a tough ride - brown has got to go for sure he just is not on this planet but to be replaced by Cameron ..please no !!! he's a disaster waiting to happen
Phil wrote:
muffin the mule wrote:
oh here we go - say anything to get elected.if gordon brown is bad ,cameron just does not cut it at all,pledge after pledge after pledge as if hes got a magic wand - he isnt believeable, living in cloud cookoo land on our money.i would seriously worry if this numbnuts gets to be PM
No, nobody (even Coco the clown) could be worse than Brown!
believe me i know theres nothing to choose but id rather be 'rogered' by someone who does it properly than by a fumbler,Cameron is all virgin - i would lie through my back teeth too for the sort of money these freaks earn ....we are in for a tough ride - brown has got to go for sure he just is not on this planet but to be replaced by Cameron ..please no !!! he's a disaster waiting to happen
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 12:48pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[bold]If[/bold] David Cameron [bold]meant[/bold] what he has to say about [bold]'Promises and Pledgees'[/bold] , etc. Then he would [bold]act upon Labours breach[/bold] of contract under English Law. The Act quite clearly states:
Any person or persons who makes a [bold]Promise or a Pledge[/bold] in the presence of a [bold]Third Party Witness[/bold] must uphold his pledge if the matter is brought into Court.
Such person or persons whosoever [bold]fails to comply[/bold] , can be [bold]forced[/bold] by Law to uphold thier Promise or Pledge as in labour's original Manifesto.
[bold]New labour came to power[/bold] on a package of [bold]Lies and Depict[/bold] in your original manifesto that stated [bold]they would grant[/bold] the Disabled a Fully Comprehensive Bill of Rights. This pledge they did break, and the Tories [bold]don't want to force this issue[/bold] because they most likely want to rise to power on [bold]'False Promises and Pledges'.[/bold]
[bold]Hence labours regime is technically illegal under English Law.[/bold]
For more detailed information on how you the public are mistreated by UK Gov read, [bold]TaskNews+hot topics[/bold]
[bold]Or Copy paste[/bold] link below into browser?
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If David Cameron meant what he has to say about 'Promises and Pledgees' , etc. Then he would act upon Labours breach of contract under English Law. The Act quite clearly states:
Any person or persons who makes a Promise or a Pledge in the presence of a Third Party Witness must uphold his pledge if the matter is brought into Court.
Such person or persons whosoever fails to comply , can be forced by Law to uphold thier Promise or Pledge as in labour's original Manifesto.
New labour came to power on a package of Lies and Depict in your original manifesto that stated they would grant the Disabled a Fully Comprehensive Bill of Rights. This pledge they did break, and the Tories don't want to force this issue because they most likely want to rise to power on 'False Promises and Pledges'.
Hence labours regime is technically illegal under English Law.
For more detailed information on how you the public are mistreated by UK Gov read, TaskNews+hot topics
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 1:36pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Population, about 60,000,000.
Problem, immigration and ageing population who have not enough room to live in comfort.
Huge civil service who actually produce nothing.
Crime and violence rate through the roof.
Politicians who are not prepared to make the "tough" decisions.
Oliver Cromwell where are you?
Seriously, if you read the comments, everyone is waiting for the "quick fix" which is not going to happen until a real leader emerges (hopefully not another Maggie Thatcher)!
Population, about 60,000,000.
Problem, immigration and ageing population who have not enough room to live in comfort.
Huge civil service who actually produce nothing.
Crime and violence rate through the roof.
Politicians who are not prepared to make the "tough" decisions.
Oliver Cromwell where are you?
Seriously, if you read the comments, everyone is waiting for the "quick fix" which is not going to happen until a real leader emerges (hopefully not another Maggie Thatcher)!
Posted by: Rogman, Boscombe East on 1:43pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]FletcherTheCat[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bungle[/bold] wrote: The choice in this particular area (ie Bournemouth, mainly) is either to build on the green belt, which allows greater freedom for decent housing layouts and space, or to continue to build within the existing urban areas at greater densities, more flats, and less space! - Neither ideal, but surely some green belt expansion can't hurt![/quote] Green belt expansion can't hurt? Destruction of animal habitats, reduced biodiversity, increased risk of flooding... Nah. Can't hurt, can it? There are tens of thousands of homes standing empty in this country as well as brownfield sites. There are second homes and holiday flats that should be taxed back onto the market before we think about further destruction. [/quote] Exactly - we DO NOT need this expansion.
The expansion that IS required is for the roads infrastructure - plus get rid of all humps and constrictions.
FletcherTheCat wrote:
bungle wrote: The choice in this particular area (ie Bournemouth, mainly) is either to build on the green belt, which allows greater freedom for decent housing layouts and space, or to continue to build within the existing urban areas at greater densities, more flats, and less space! - Neither ideal, but surely some green belt expansion can't hurt!
Green belt expansion can't hurt? Destruction of animal habitats, reduced biodiversity, increased risk of flooding... Nah. Can't hurt, can it? There are tens of thousands of homes standing empty in this country as well as brownfield sites. There are second homes and holiday flats that should be taxed back onto the market before we think about further destruction.
Exactly - we DO NOT need this expansion.
The expansion that IS required is for the roads infrastructure - plus get rid of all humps and constrictions.
Posted by: Rogman, Boscombe East on 1:45pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]In Absentia[/bold] wrote:
If the Tories get in at the next election, what will happen is that Tory Councils will probably get better grant settlements than Labour/Lib Dem ones. It's the usual tit for tat politics. [/quote] Indeed, NULab definitely give more handouts to NL councils - obvious really!
In Absentia wrote:
If the Tories get in at the next election, what will happen is that Tory Councils will probably get better grant settlements than Labour/Lib Dem ones. It's the usual tit for tat politics.
Indeed, NULab definitely give more handouts to NL councils - obvious really!
Roads!! I am not a tree hungger and don't for one second fall for that claptrap about carbon dioxide but more roads is not what we need. If we don't get out of our cars we'll all be fat, recluses going actually nowhere. Infrastructure for quality public transport, cycle lanes but not more roads - we have to stop this car madness and wean ourselves off bloody oil before it cripples us in more ways than one. And actually I think David Cameron is the only hope we've got - he will do more for those at the bottom than labour - who are not by the way NU - they are simply communists in a better suit. Poverty has not increased and education diminished by accident - how else do you keep anyone voting labour!
Roads!! I am not a tree hungger and don't for one second fall for that claptrap about carbon dioxide but more roads is not what we need. If we don't get out of our cars we'll all be fat, recluses going actually nowhere. Infrastructure for quality public transport, cycle lanes but not more roads - we have to stop this car madness and wean ourselves off bloody oil before it cripples us in more ways than one. And actually I think David Cameron is the only hope we've got - he will do more for those at the bottom than labour - who are not by the way NU - they are simply communists in a better suit. Poverty has not increased and education diminished by accident - how else do you keep anyone voting labour!
Posted by: adrian fudge, boscombe east on 2:58pm Fri 4 Jul 08
This is pure electioneering by pandering to the tory voters in this area that tend to be at the more mature end of the age cycle, own their own homes and strangly enough quite a number have moved into the area.
If this "policy" ,and I doubt the tories would actually do anything after gettting elected, was implemented the youngsters will have no chance what so ever of getting a roof over their head because demand already exceeds supply and this will increase over time with people living longer
The Tories have campaigned against building flats and are now campaigning against building houses on the green belt. Since there are no other large areas of land that means no more dwellings.
Why dont they come clean and tell all the youngsters they will have to move away if they want somewhere to live
This is pure electioneering by pandering to the tory voters in this area that tend to be at the more mature end of the age cycle, own their own homes and strangly enough quite a number have moved into the area.
If this "policy" ,and I doubt the tories would actually do anything after gettting elected, was implemented the youngsters will have no chance what so ever of getting a roof over their head because demand already exceeds supply and this will increase over time with people living longer
The Tories have campaigned against building flats and are now campaigning against building houses on the green belt. Since there are no other large areas of land that means no more dwellings.
Why dont they come clean and tell all the youngsters they will have to move away if they want somewhere to live
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 3:34pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]seven year itch[/bold] wrote:
Roads!! I am not a tree hungger and don't for one second fall for that claptrap about carbon dioxide but more roads is not what we need. If we don't get out of our cars we'll all be fat, recluses going actually nowhere. Infrastructure for quality public transport, cycle lanes but not more roads - we have to stop this car madness and wean ourselves off bloody oil before it cripples us in more ways than one. And actually I think David Cameron is the only hope we've got - he will do more for those at the bottom than labour - who are not by the way NU - they are simply communists in a better suit. Poverty has not increased and education diminished by accident - how else do you keep anyone voting labour![/quote] David Cameron ....SAYS !!!!.....is not the same as David Cameron .....DOES......As someone not in power you can say what you like but this man wont live long enough to impliment the all the changes he says he is going to make ,he sounds like some sort of saviour - it was that fool Thatcher that stuck it into us in the first place and he is wearing the same boots ,are you prepared for another kicking - because all the dozy oldies are going to be shuffling along behind this goon like sheep.Big changes require Big money and the pot as we all know ,is empty .its been spent on a war we couldnt afford ,humps in roads that we dont want,petty crime committed by wayward,disrespectfu
l youngsters and an out of control drug culture that is going to cost vast vast fortunes to police ,and then theres oil costs,we're taxed to the hilt on oil to subsidise the massive public workers wages bill. there are virtually no government departments thats make a profit apart from those dishing out fines to motorists the rest are just a bunch of leeches so where is the money going to come from for all these loverly ideas ...............?????
. thats right ,you already know the answer. for david cameron read...no hope,no vote.!!! or pay the consequencies
seven year itch wrote:
Roads!! I am not a tree hungger and don't for one second fall for that claptrap about carbon dioxide but more roads is not what we need. If we don't get out of our cars we'll all be fat, recluses going actually nowhere. Infrastructure for quality public transport, cycle lanes but not more roads - we have to stop this car madness and wean ourselves off bloody oil before it cripples us in more ways than one. And actually I think David Cameron is the only hope we've got - he will do more for those at the bottom than labour - who are not by the way NU - they are simply communists in a better suit. Poverty has not increased and education diminished by accident - how else do you keep anyone voting labour!
David Cameron ....SAYS !!!!.....is not the same as David Cameron .....DOES......As someone not in power you can say what you like but this man wont live long enough to impliment the all the changes he says he is going to make ,he sounds like some sort of saviour - it was that fool Thatcher that stuck it into us in the first place and he is wearing the same boots ,are you prepared for another kicking - because all the dozy oldies are going to be shuffling along behind this goon like sheep.Big changes require Big money and the pot as we all know ,is empty .its been spent on a war we couldnt afford ,humps in roads that we dont want,petty crime committed by wayward,disrespectfu
l youngsters and an out of control drug culture that is going to cost vast vast fortunes to police ,and then theres oil costs,we're taxed to the hilt on oil to subsidise the massive public workers wages bill. there are virtually no government departments thats make a profit apart from those dishing out fines to motorists the rest are just a bunch of leeches so where is the money going to come from for all these loverly ideas ...............?????
. thats right ,you already know the answer. for david cameron read...no hope,no vote.!!! or pay the consequencies
Posted by: b&bathletic, Pokesdown on 3:38pm Fri 4 Jul 08
It does get to me that there are so many who coulnd't care less about the younger generation finding homes. Basically the older tory types (probably not from this area originally) as can be seen by some of the comments here.
Mr Fudge seems to be talking common sense to me.
It does get to me that there are so many who coulnd't care less about the younger generation finding homes. Basically the older tory types (probably not from this area originally) as can be seen by some of the comments here.
Mr Fudge and most of the rest of you are talking nonsense. As someone that lives in the area that will be most impacted by these unwarranted developments I can only support what David Cameron has said. These "targets" are being forced on us by an unelected body, appointed by a Labour government, with no regard for local feeling. I agree that we need more affordable housing for local people to move into, but we DO NOT need another town the size of Upton dumped on our doorstep. The infrastructure around here is creaking at the seams already. And before any of you bang on about me being a "middle-Englander", I live on a council estate, do not have a blue-rinse and am happy to see organic growth in our local communities, not enforced concretion!
Mr Fudge and most of the rest of you are talking nonsense. As someone that lives in the area that will be most impacted by these unwarranted developments I can only support what David Cameron has said. These "targets" are being forced on us by an unelected body, appointed by a Labour government, with no regard for local feeling. I agree that we need more affordable housing for local people to move into, but we DO NOT need another town the size of Upton dumped on our doorstep. The infrastructure around here is creaking at the seams already. And before any of you bang on about me being a "middle-Englander", I live on a council estate, do not have a blue-rinse and am happy to see organic growth in our local communities, not enforced concretion!
Posted by: b&bathletic, Pokesdown on 6:16pm Fri 4 Jul 08
It does get to me that there are so many who coulnd't care less about the younger generation finding homes. Basically the older tory types (probably not from this area originally) as can be seen by some of the comments here.
Mr Fudge seems to be talking common sense to me.
It does get to me that there are so many who coulnd't care less about the younger generation finding homes. Basically the older tory types (probably not from this area originally) as can be seen by some of the comments here.
never mind the extra housing promise its much more important that the Tories fully fund the promises they make & pass on to the local taxpayer coupled with the proper control on local Tories wasting money on idiotic schemes like the solar pyramid being foisted on our hard press local taxpayer
never mind the extra housing promise its much more important that the Tories fully fund the promises they make & pass on to the local taxpayer coupled with the proper control on local Tories wasting money on idiotic schemes like the solar pyramid being foisted on our hard press local taxpayer
Posted by: fiona, Bournemouth on 6:27pm Fri 4 Jul 08
We need a Conservative government.
David Cameron will ensure that local councils will be free to respond to the needs of the local area because he will make sure they have real power and arent being second-guessed by Whitehall the whole time
Local people know their areas, the problems, the opportunities & Cameron will ensure local councils are given the money and the power to get on with the job
We need a Conservative government.
David Cameron will ensure that local councils will be free to respond to the needs of the local area because he will make sure they have real power and arent being second-guessed by Whitehall the whole time
Local people know their areas, the problems, the opportunities & Cameron will ensure local councils are given the money and the power to get on with the job
Posted by: TAXIMAN, parkstone on 6:58pm Fri 4 Jul 08
ok so he,s going to stop the extra 48,000 properties being built great! now lets go a bit further how are we going to sort the troubles with this country i,e hoodies drink drivers ,drunks ,wife beaters i know how about introducing labour camps where they have to do 14hrs of labour 7 days a week with no parole now lets see who rules the streets the police or the thugs?prison no chance labour camps gets my vote any day
ok so he,s going to stop the extra 48,000 properties being built great! now lets go a bit further how are we going to sort the troubles with this country i,e hoodies drink drivers ,drunks ,wife beaters i know how about introducing labour camps where they have to do 14hrs of labour 7 days a week with no parole now lets see who rules the streets the police or the thugs?prison no chance labour camps gets my vote any day
Posted by: Dorsetman1986, Wimborne on 7:11pm Fri 4 Jul 08
I'm going to vote for Cameron next election. I trust this man, and you should too. He's not just saying what we want to hear to make it into power and this man genuinely cares about this country and what it NEEDS.
Who else has really been hot on the heels of Bliar and Comrade Commissar Brown and able to make them sweat? Well okay not so hard for Brown seeing as he's the weakest and worst PM we've ever had but he Cameron even managed to stand up STRONG attacks against Bliar!
This man will restore INTEGRITY to British Politics.
Oh and Taximan, they tried labour camps in the 1930s and 40s; didn't go down too well with the rest of this world... same when Stalin did it to millions of his own people...
I'm going to vote for Cameron next election. I trust this man, and you should too. He's not just saying what we want to hear to make it into power and this man genuinely cares about this country and what it NEEDS.
Who else has really been hot on the heels of Bliar and Comrade Commissar Brown and able to make them sweat? Well okay not so hard for Brown seeing as he's the weakest and worst PM we've ever had but he Cameron even managed to stand up STRONG attacks against Bliar!
This man will restore INTEGRITY to British Politics.
Oh and Taximan, they tried labour camps in the 1930s and 40s; didn't go down too well with the rest of this world... same when Stalin did it to millions of his own people...
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 8:25pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote]THE green belt is safe in Conservative hands.[/quote]Whew!!! thank heavens for that. Now I know who I can trust and vote for.
I can hear voices - one of them is saying - oh yes, I can just understand it, it is saying - “The NHS is safe in our hands”. It very faint, and coming from far far away, long long ago. But I can still just hear it.
THE green belt is safe in Conservative hands.
Whew!!! thank heavens for that. Now I know who I can trust and vote for.
I can hear voices - one of them is saying - oh yes, I can just understand it, it is saying - “The NHS is safe in our hands”. It very faint, and coming from far far away, long long ago. But I can still just hear it.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 8:29pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dorsetman1986[/bold] wrote:
I'm going to vote for Cameron next election. I trust this man, and you should too. He's not just saying what we want to hear to make it into power and this man genuinely cares about this country and what it NEEDS. Who else has really been hot on the heels of Bliar and Comrade Commissar Brown and able to make them sweat? Well okay not so hard for Brown seeing as he's the weakest and worst PM we've ever had but he Cameron even managed to stand up STRONG attacks against Bliar! This man will restore INTEGRITY to British Politics. Oh and Taximan, they tried labour camps in the 1930s and 40s; didn't go down too well with the rest of this world... same when Stalin did it to millions of his own people...[/quote] Those labour camps in the 1930s and 40s really worked well. With this century looking very much like the last I can see them coming back. Only they wont be 'free range' labour camps, they will be 'battery chicken' office blocks. [bold]Wait a minute[/bold] , it's already happening!!
Dorsetman1986 wrote:
I'm going to vote for Cameron next election. I trust this man, and you should too. He's not just saying what we want to hear to make it into power and this man genuinely cares about this country and what it NEEDS. Who else has really been hot on the heels of Bliar and Comrade Commissar Brown and able to make them sweat? Well okay not so hard for Brown seeing as he's the weakest and worst PM we've ever had but he Cameron even managed to stand up STRONG attacks against Bliar! This man will restore INTEGRITY to British Politics. Oh and Taximan, they tried labour camps in the 1930s and 40s; didn't go down too well with the rest of this world... same when Stalin did it to millions of his own people...
Those labour camps in the 1930s and 40s really worked well. With this century looking very much like the last I can see them coming back. Only they wont be 'free range' labour camps, they will be 'battery chicken' office blocks. Wait a minute , it's already happening!!
Posted by: Tru Belle, purbeck on 9:43pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[quote][bold] HAL101[/bold] wrote:
[quote]THE green belt is safe in Conservative hands.[/quote]Whew!!! thank heavens for that. Now I know who I can trust and vote for. I can hear voices - one of them is saying - oh yes, I can just understand it, it is saying - “The NHS is safe in our hands”. It very faint, and coming from far far away, long long ago. But I can still just hear it. [/quote] He added: "I believe Dorset will be better off under the Conservatives. The big challenge is the broken society and we need a government that really gets to grips with that."
How exactly- would Weymouth and Portland agree with him?Historically? What innovative policies are in the bag then?
Who can remember waiting lists of 3 or four years for hips, knees and anything else?
What does he say about the government of the south west, then ? or the south west regional development agency?
Will they vanish in a puff of smoke? Higher interest rates-- like 17% perhaps.
C'mon, facts and figures and policies in the window front please.
Has society really broken down though- whose fault is it really?
HAL101 wrote:
THE green belt is safe in Conservative hands.
Whew!!! thank heavens for that. Now I know who I can trust and vote for. I can hear voices - one of them is saying - oh yes, I can just understand it, it is saying - “The NHS is safe in our hands”. It very faint, and coming from far far away, long long ago. But I can still just hear it.
He added: "I believe Dorset will be better off under the Conservatives. The big challenge is the broken society and we need a government that really gets to grips with that."
How exactly- would Weymouth and Portland agree with him?Historically? What innovative policies are in the bag then?
Who can remember waiting lists of 3 or four years for hips, knees and anything else?
What does he say about the government of the south west, then ? or the south west regional development agency?
Will they vanish in a puff of smoke? Higher interest rates-- like 17% perhaps.
C'mon, facts and figures and policies in the window front please.
Has society really broken down though- whose fault is it really?
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 10:33pm Fri 4 Jul 08
[bold]As I have said before:[/bold]
Such [bold]Housing Problems would not arise[/bold] if Britain were to [bold]follow the example[/bold] of the Hong Kong and China Government.
There they have built an Internationally famous Airport off of Hong Kong's [bold]coast line on rubbish waste[/bold] from main land China.
[bold]We have a waste disposal problem so we are all told[/bold] , so why not combine the two and [bold]Turn Junk into Billion Pound land Space?[/bold]
[bold]Instead of wasting[/bold] good arable farming land for landfill sites and gravel extraction [bold]Use the waste to shore up our sea defences[/bold] which are eroding fast.
[bold]Don't waste rubbish use it[/bold] for good intent. Also Building and Gravel Extraction from [bold]good arable farming land is irreversible[/bold] destruction. Thus making the UK become more and [bold]more reliant on foreign imported foods[/bold] which is an extremely bad policy.
[bold]Labours continuous disregard for our countryside is very concerning[/bold]
As I have said before:
Such Housing Problems would not arise if Britain were to follow the example of the Hong Kong and China Government.
There they have built an Internationally famous Airport off of Hong Kong's coast line on rubbish waste from main land China.
We have a waste disposal problem so we are all told , so why not combine the two and Turn Junk into Billion Pound land Space?
Instead of wasting good arable farming land for landfill sites and gravel extraction Use the waste to shore up our sea defences which are eroding fast.
Don't waste rubbish use it for good intent. Also Building and Gravel Extraction from good arable farming land is irreversible destruction. Thus making the UK become more and more reliant on foreign imported foods which is an extremely bad policy.
Labours continuous disregard for our countryside is very concerning
Posted by: purbeck, Swanage on 10:19am Sat 5 Jul 08
"Oliver Cromwell where are you?"
I wonder how that would play with the advocates of decisions being made by local politicians. Cromwell le a military coup and then replaced the existing form of local government with centrally appointed officials. Not a bad idea really. Ni nimbyism in those days
"Oliver Cromwell where are you?"
I wonder how that would play with the advocates of decisions being made by local politicians. Cromwell le a military coup and then replaced the existing form of local government with centrally appointed officials. Not a bad idea really. Ni nimbyism in those days
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 12:03pm Sat 5 Jul 08
I think it was called a dictarorship!
Unfortunately it was not benign!
A committee (e.g. democracy) is the least efficient method of solving any problem.
What we really need is a government with a strong leader. Or am I repeating myself?
I hear that Alec Ferguson will soon be looking for a job!
One final word, I was trying to come up with a name for that last paragraph and the only one that I could think of was a football manager!
I hope that that was my weakness, not just a lack of candidates!
I think it was called a dictarorship!
Unfortunately it was not benign!
A committee (e.g. democracy) is the least efficient method of solving any problem.
What we really need is a government with a strong leader. Or am I repeating myself?
I hear that Alec Ferguson will soon be looking for a job!
One final word, I was trying to come up with a name for that last paragraph and the only one that I could think of was a football manager!
I hope that that was my weakness, not just a lack of candidates!
[quote][bold]fiona[/bold] wrote:
We need a Conservative government.
David Cameron will ensure that local councils will be free to respond to the needs of the local area because he will make sure they have real power and arent being second-guessed by Whitehall the whole time
Local people know their areas, the problems, the opportunities & Cameron will ensure local councils are given the money and the power to get on with the job
[/quote] I don't know whether Cameron is any good (only time will tell), but I'll vote for any party that aims to restore local democracy and stop endless central government meddling in local affairs. The same goes for the NHS, education and policing - all distorted adversely by endless, pointless targets and directives from central government.
Oh, and Cameron better stick to his pledge to scrap ID cards too.
fiona wrote:
We need a Conservative government.
David Cameron will ensure that local councils will be free to respond to the needs of the local area because he will make sure they have real power and arent being second-guessed by Whitehall the whole time
Local people know their areas, the problems, the opportunities & Cameron will ensure local councils are given the money and the power to get on with the job
I don't know whether Cameron is any good (only time will tell), but I'll vote for any party that aims to restore local democracy and stop endless central government meddling in local affairs. The same goes for the NHS, education and policing - all distorted adversely by endless, pointless targets and directives from central government.
Oh, and Cameron better stick to his pledge to scrap ID cards too.
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 10:22pm Sun 6 Jul 08
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 4:00pm Sat 5 Jul 08
[bold]Quote [/bold] I don't know whether Cameron is any good (only time will tell), but I'll vote for any party that aims to restore local democracy and stop endless central government meddling in local affairs.
[bold]Reply [/bold] A very good point you make here [bold]Phil[/bold] .
[italic]Personally[/italic] [bold]bold[/bold] I quite [bold]like[/bold] the way Cameron launches counter attacks on [bold]'Blubber Brown'.[/bold] Cameron is well composed in his deliverances in the commons, but [bold]unfortunately[/bold] when Cameron is in public he makes foolish comments [bold]Hug a Tree, Hug a Hoodie etc.[/bold]
This make one think, that all Cameron is doing whilst in the Commons is delivering [bold]well written and well rehearsed speeches.[/bold]
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 4:00pm Sat 5 Jul 08
Quote I don't know whether Cameron is any good (only time will tell), but I'll vote for any party that aims to restore local democracy and stop endless central government meddling in local affairs.
Reply A very good point you make here Phil .
Personally I quite like the way Cameron launches counter attacks on 'Blubber Brown'. Cameron is well composed in his deliverances in the commons, but unfortunately when Cameron is in public he makes foolish comments Hug a Tree, Hug a Hoodie etc.
This make one think, that all Cameron is doing whilst in the Commons is delivering well written and well rehearsed speeches.
Posted by: omegaman, Bournemouth on 11:09pm Tue 8 Jul 08
Cameron - just another crooked Tory trying to line his own pockets and those of his friends. Anyone who thinks he will do any better is living in cloud cookoo land but then don't most Tories live there.
Cameron - just another crooked Tory trying to line his own pockets and those of his friends. Anyone who thinks he will do any better is living in cloud cookoo land but then don't most Tories live there.
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