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Aggressive residents who threaten council staff will be caught on camera at Poole's civic tip.
A head cam is being used on trial at the Nuffield Household Waste and Recycling Centre in an effort to combat increasing abusive behaviour.
There have been a number of serious incidents, which have threatened the safety of staff. During 2006/7 there were seven reported incidents of abusive behaviour.
In one, an irate member of the public drove a car at a member of staff. No-one was injured but the individual concerned was banned from the site.
"Abusive and aggressive behaviour towards members of staff is totally unacceptable and will not be tolerated," said Cllr Don Collier, cabinet portfolio holder for the environment.
"By introducing the head cam trial, we are hoping to provide the staff at the Nuffield site with an additional element of protection."
Borough of Poole's environmental and consumer protection is holding a one-month trial, intended mainly as a deterrent.
However any footage of abusive behaviour could be used as evidence for a future prosecution.
The Video Vest W3000 is equipped with two cameras, one worn as headgear with a second attached to the lapel of the reflective vest.
The security camera records continuously but the memory is wiped clean at 30-second intervals.
If an incident takes place the wearer can activate the camera, which stores the previous 30 seconds. The device can record images and sound, which are stored and accessed for instant playback.
"If the head cam proves to be a successful deterrent it will result in permanent use of the equipment," said Cllr Collier.
The site already operates a CCTV system and the head cam wearer will be clearly identified.
7:00am Friday 25th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Poolemaninscotland, scotland on 7:46am Fri 25 Jul 08
Whatever next. Being abusive over dumping rubbish. I dont believe it for a minute and this is just another way for Poole council to spy on us. They have done it before and now they are doing it again
Whatever next. Being abusive over dumping rubbish. I dont believe it for a minute and this is just another way for Poole council to spy on us. They have done it before and now they are doing it again
Posted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 8:02am Fri 25 Jul 08
Perhaps the Council should investigate why some residents are getting aggressive, all people want to do is to be able to get rid of their rubbish. Even this simple task becomes onerous due to the adversarial policies of our Council towards the people it is supposed to serve.
Perhaps the Council should investigate why some residents are getting aggressive, all people want to do is to be able to get rid of their rubbish. Even this simple task becomes onerous due to the adversarial policies of our Council towards the people it is supposed to serve.
Posted by: rayc, Poole on 8:11am Fri 25 Jul 08
I use the E.Dorset tip at Brooke Road Wimborne. The staff are always helpful, polite and nice guys. The team leader has got the place sorted compared with 2 - 3 years ago when they thought they were doing you a favour. They seem to know what service means - perhaps that is where Poole staff are going wrong.
How many people have the Poole staff reported to the Police for threatening behaviour? I bet these cameras will be used to prosecute people who happen to put a bit of metal in the wood skip etc and have nothing to do with 'security'.
I use the E.Dorset tip at Brooke Road Wimborne. The staff are always helpful, polite and nice guys. The team leader has got the place sorted compared with 2 - 3 years ago when they thought they were doing you a favour. They seem to know what service means - perhaps that is where Poole staff are going wrong.
How many people have the Poole staff reported to the Police for threatening behaviour? I bet these cameras will be used to prosecute people who happen to put a bit of metal in the wood skip etc and have nothing to do with 'security'.
Posted by: canfordheath, Canford Heath on 8:40am Fri 25 Jul 08
In the interests of journalistic balance, perhaps the Echo should enquire how many complaints were made against the staff at the Nuffield centre and if Consumer Protection did anything about these complaints, except obstruct them?
In the interests of journalistic balance, perhaps the Echo should enquire how many complaints were made against the staff at the Nuffield centre and if Consumer Protection did anything about these complaints, except obstruct them?
Posted by: gobzilla on 9:53am Fri 25 Jul 08
As a woman who walks every where this is the weather the cuckoo likes and so do I, I heard him at 7 46am again at 8 02am and 8 11 am, I suppose he’ll be spouting it off till after midnight poor wretch.
As a woman who walks every where this is the weather the cuckoo likes and so do I, I heard him at 7 46am again at 8 02am and 8 11 am, I suppose he’ll be spouting it off till after midnight poor wretch.
Posted by: John, Poole on 10:04am Fri 25 Jul 08
As the lucky 21st poster on the Richard Carr site, I was sooo sorry to see comments on Richard Carr join the travellers in the Echo's Room 101.
Perhaps, posters on Richard Carr should transfer to this rubbish site as it would appear to be the most appropriate place to continue their comments, before it too is consigned to Room 101.
As the lucky 21st poster on the Richard Carr site, I was sooo sorry to see comments on Richard Carr join the travellers in the Echo's Room 101.
Perhaps, posters on Richard Carr should transfer to this rubbish site as it would appear to be the most appropriate place to continue their comments, before it too is consigned to Room 101.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 10:22am Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
As the lucky 21st poster on the Richard Carr site, I was sooo sorry to see comments on Richard Carr join the travellers in the Echo's Room 101.
Perhaps, posters on Richard Carr should transfer to this rubbish site as it would appear to be the most appropriate place to continue their comments, before it too is consigned to Room 101.[/quote] Rubbish site? You hit the nail on the head there! I don't know why they ask for comments and then delete them all. If there's an offensive comment, why not delete that instead of the whole thread?
If they continue to censor everything, many people won't bother commenting any more. Do they want people's input or not?
John wrote:
As the lucky 21st poster on the Richard Carr site, I was sooo sorry to see comments on Richard Carr join the travellers in the Echo's Room 101.
Perhaps, posters on Richard Carr should transfer to this rubbish site as it would appear to be the most appropriate place to continue their comments, before it too is consigned to Room 101.
Rubbish site? You hit the nail on the head there! I don't know why they ask for comments and then delete them all. If there's an offensive comment, why not delete that instead of the whole thread?
If they continue to censor everything, many people won't bother commenting any more. Do they want people's input or not?
Posted by: John, Poole on 10:31am Fri 25 Jul 08
Phil
I chose my words advisedly, lest the Echo chose to dump them!
Phil
I chose my words advisedly, lest the Echo chose to dump them!
Posted by: benny, bournemouth on 10:34am Fri 25 Jul 08
[bold]Wow[/bold] here we go again as one comment mentioned another way of spying and along with the article in the advertiser yesterday, of locking under 16's in their homes after 9 pm. The book and film 1984 springs to mind. I know it sound like a Cliché but seriously its true
Wow here we go again as one comment mentioned another way of spying and along with the article in the advertiser yesterday, of locking under 16's in their homes after 9 pm. The book and film 1984 springs to mind. I know it sound like a Cliché but seriously its true
Posted by: Grumble, Oakdale on 11:10am Fri 25 Jul 08
On a number of occasions I have seen people verbally abusing the staff at the Nuffield tip, always thought it was a very stupid thing to do; verbally abusing someone who's work mate is driving a blooming big Bulldozer is the sort of act which could easily earn someone a Darwin Award!
On a number of occasions I have seen people verbally abusing the staff at the Nuffield tip, always thought it was a very stupid thing to do; verbally abusing someone who's work mate is driving a blooming big Bulldozer is the sort of act which could easily earn someone a Darwin Award!
Posted by: RichT, Christchurch on 1:02pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]gobzilla[/bold] wrote:
As a woman who walks every where this is the weather the cuckoo likes and so do I, I heard him at 7 46am again at 8 02am and 8 11 am, I suppose he’ll be spouting it off till after midnight poor wretch.[/quote] I'm not sure how this comment relates to the topic being discussed!
gobzilla wrote:
As a woman who walks every where this is the weather the cuckoo likes and so do I, I heard him at 7 46am again at 8 02am and 8 11 am, I suppose he’ll be spouting it off till after midnight poor wretch.
I'm not sure how this comment relates to the topic being discussed!
Posted by: In Absentia, Bournemouth on 1:23pm Fri 25 Jul 08
I think that the main reason for bad behaviour at this tip must rest with the individual and not the council employees.
These days most people seem to think that they have the right to do whatever they like and it's their bad manners that's the problem.
Whenver I've seen people turned away from the tip at Milhams, it's usually been traders trying to dump their rubbish without paying to do so. They will have charged their client to clear the site, so the Council has every right to expect to collect a fee for trade waste.
I also see no problem with being expected to sort the rubbish and dump it in different areas. Failure to comply is just lazy & selfish.
I think that the main reason for bad behaviour at this tip must rest with the individual and not the council employees.
These days most people seem to think that they have the right to do whatever they like and it's their bad manners that's the problem.
Whenver I've seen people turned away from the tip at Milhams, it's usually been traders trying to dump their rubbish without paying to do so. They will have charged their client to clear the site, so the Council has every right to expect to collect a fee for trade waste.
I also see no problem with being expected to sort the rubbish and dump it in different areas. Failure to comply is just lazy & selfish.
Posted by: Beaker, Bournemouth on 1:25pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Well if they didn't have such a bunch of unreasonable idiots working down there they may not get so much grief. I turned up with a valid residents parking permit. The bloke wrongly turned me away. I went home (about 4 miles) got my council tax bill. Then a different bloke on the gate let me in with the parking permit. Unacceptable and utter RUBBISH!
Well if they didn't have such a bunch of unreasonable idiots working down there they may not get so much grief. I turned up with a valid residents parking permit. The bloke wrongly turned me away. I went home (about 4 miles) got my council tax bill. Then a different bloke on the gate let me in with the parking permit. Unacceptable and utter RUBBISH!
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 2:03pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Richard Carr,
Comments censored!
McDonalds + F.A.,
Great! If you want your kid to waddle out with their "Hero" visit McDonalds first!
Comments, denied!
Richard Carr,
Comments censored!
McDonalds + F.A.,
Great! If you want your kid to waddle out with their "Hero" visit McDonalds first!
Comments, denied!
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 2:13pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[bold]Quote [/bold] Any footage of abusive behaviour could be used as evidence for a future prosecution.
[bold]Reply [/bold] This is [bold]technically Not correct,[/bold] unless the Cap or the persons clothing has a notice with [bold]yellow background and black image of a CCTV.[/bold]
[italic]Any[/italic] such evidence [bold]cannot be used in a Law Court[/bold]
[bold]Check it out[/bold] all CCTV [bold]must[/bold] be accompanied by a warning sign or signs.
[bold]Hence PC Plod[/bold] with CCTV cannot use thier evidence, unless they likewise [bold]have a visible sign as mentioned.[/bold]
If you have been [bold]prosecuted[/bold] by such evidence you have a [bold]dismissal and claim.[/bold]
Quote Any footage of abusive behaviour could be used as evidence for a future prosecution.
Reply This is
technically Not correct, unless the Cap or the persons clothing has a notice with
yellow background and black image of a CCTV.
Any such evidence
cannot be used in a Law Court
Check it out all CCTV
must be accompanied by a warning sign or signs.
Hence PC Plod with CCTV cannot use thier evidence, unless they likewise
have a visible sign as mentioned.
If you have been
prosecuted by such evidence you have a
dismissal and claim.
Posted by: debbie2110, bournemouth on 2:49pm Fri 25 Jul 08
If your comments are factual Carl, (which I’m not questioning by the way) it would appear many of the ‘Club Paranoia group’ are correct in their assumption that the only real purpose of these cameras are to increase the discomfort that many folks are feeling at the moment about being spied upon! I used to feel quite secure when I saw CCTV in place as I genuinely thought it would be for my protection.
Guess I must have been brainwashed by the same folk who thought it would be a good idea to put these head-cams into action! Wrong move and looks very silly! Can’t wait for the first claim of injury at work due to one of these things causing a headache or neck injury! (Yes, I know they are very light, but if staff in a nightclub can claim industrial injury due to level of noise then anything can happen!)
If your comments are factual Carl, (which I’m not questioning by the way) it would appear many of the ‘Club Paranoia group’ are correct in their assumption that the only real purpose of these cameras are to increase the discomfort that many folks are feeling at the moment about being spied upon! I used to feel quite secure when I saw CCTV in place as I genuinely thought it would be for my protection.
Guess I must have been brainwashed by the same folk who thought it would be a good idea to put these head-cams into action! Wrong move and looks very silly! Can’t wait for the first claim of injury at work due to one of these things causing a headache or neck injury! (Yes, I know they are very light, but if staff in a nightclub can claim industrial injury due to level of noise then anything can happen!)
Posted by: JON, THE OBSERVER on 3:33pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[bold]I was sworn at by a council worker at the Nuffield site.
I put chipboard where I was told it should go when I first entered the site, then another council worker came up and told me to pick it up and move it. I advised him that a colleague of his told me to put it where I did and I wasn't going to move it again. He became aggressive and foul mouthed, I asked for his name and he refused to give me it. (With many expletives) and told me I was banned from the site.
When I got home I telephone the Nuffield refuse disposal office and reported him. I received an apology from the person on the phone and was told that the council worker did not have the power to ban me but they would investigate the matter. They took my details but I never heard anything back and that was months ago.
Will this type of thuggery be recorded when the staff are so threatening or is it just for the residents to be filmed after provocation.[/bold]
I was sworn at by a council worker at the Nuffield site.
I put chipboard where I was told it should go when I first entered the site, then another council worker came up and told me to pick it up and move it. I advised him that a colleague of his told me to put it where I did and I wasn't going to move it again. He became aggressive and foul mouthed, I asked for his name and he refused to give me it. (With many expletives) and told me I was banned from the site.
When I got home I telephone the Nuffield refuse disposal office and reported him. I received an apology from the person on the phone and was told that the council worker did not have the power to ban me but they would investigate the matter. They took my details but I never heard anything back and that was months ago.
Will this type of thuggery be recorded when the staff are so threatening or is it just for the residents to be filmed after provocation. Posted by: Mike Pickering, Bournemouth on 4:36pm Fri 25 Jul 08
I have two little organic cameras in my head.
They are called eyes.
I can only assume that the cameras are to record images of wrong-doing (at the tip, that well known centre of lawlessness), for recall at another time.
I too have this facility, it is called 'memory'.
This is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have heard in my life.
Try strapping a camera onto George King's hat, and see what happens.
Never any trouble when he worked down there, I can tell you.
I have two little organic cameras in my head.
They are called eyes.
I can only assume that the cameras are to record images of wrong-doing (at the tip, that well known centre of lawlessness), for recall at another time.
I too have this facility, it is called 'memory'.
This is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have heard in my life.
Try strapping a camera onto George King's hat, and see what happens.
Never any trouble when he worked down there, I can tell you.
Posted by: Hotdog, Poole on 4:40pm Fri 25 Jul 08
If Poole council really wants to create an "Us and Them" environment they are going about it the right way!
This is utterly ridiculous and over the top!
If Poole council really wants to create an "Us and Them" environment they are going about it the right way!
This is utterly ridiculous and over the top!
Posted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 5:11pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Poole Council is already a laughing stock without this ridiculous idea. How long will it be before these cameras become known as Dick-Head Cams?
Poole Council is already a laughing stock without this ridiculous idea. How long will it be before these cameras become known as Dick-Head Cams?
Posted by: Andy, poole on 6:43pm Fri 25 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Beaker[/bold] wrote:
Well if they didn't have such a bunch of unreasonable idiots working down there they may not get so much grief. I turned up with a valid residents parking permit. The bloke wrongly turned me away. I went home (about 4 miles) got my council tax bill. Then a different bloke on the gate let me in with the parking permit. Unacceptable and utter RUBBISH![/quote] Maybe you should go and work there for a few days and you might change your tune. Those lads have to go through the rubbish that people cant be bothered to separated. Being abused by members of the public because of their lazy. Those guys work at the crap end of the stick everyday and its people like you who say the your council tax pays our wages, well think about this if you recycled properly then we wouldnt need so many staff, therefore a small reduction in coucil tax. So remember to recycle!
Beaker wrote:
Well if they didn't have such a bunch of unreasonable idiots working down there they may not get so much grief. I turned up with a valid residents parking permit. The bloke wrongly turned me away. I went home (about 4 miles) got my council tax bill. Then a different bloke on the gate let me in with the parking permit. Unacceptable and utter RUBBISH!
Maybe you should go and work there for a few days and you might change your tune. Those lads have to go through the rubbish that people cant be bothered to separated. Being abused by members of the public because of their lazy. Those guys work at the crap end of the stick everyday and its people like you who say the your council tax pays our wages, well think about this if you recycled properly then we wouldnt need so many staff, therefore a small reduction in coucil tax. So remember to recycle!
Posted by: MIG, Poole on 7:21pm Fri 25 Jul 08
CCTV Warning signs - I would suggest that the regulations would be satisfied by conspicuous signs being displayed within the premises that the portable cameras are being used.
There are signs already so they would apply to any camera and recording equipment. However these cameras and those used by Police Officers are NOT CCTV as such in that the image is not capable of being monitored at another location and it would be reasonable to assume that the person whose image was being recorded would be aware of that fact due to the camera itself being conspicuous.
Evidential use - A portable 'CCTV' camera is the same as a hand held video or still camera. The images themselves support the direct verbal evidence of the person using the equipment. A witness would be required to 'produce' the images as an exhibit.
CCTV Warning signs - I would suggest that the regulations would be satisfied by conspicuous signs being displayed within the premises that the portable cameras are being used.
There are signs already so they would apply to any camera and recording equipment. However these cameras and those used by Police Officers are NOT CCTV as such in that the image is not capable of being monitored at another location and it would be reasonable to assume that the person whose image was being recorded would be aware of that fact due to the camera itself being conspicuous.
Evidential use - A portable 'CCTV' camera is the same as a hand held video or still camera. The images themselves support the direct verbal evidence of the person using the equipment. A witness would be required to 'produce' the images as an exhibit.
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 10:21pm Fri 25 Jul 08
Posted by: MIG, Poole on 7:21pm today
[bold]Quote [/bold] However these cameras and those used by Police Officers are NOT CCTV as such in that the image is not capable of being monitored at another location.
[bold]Reply [/bold] Good points you make [bold]MIG[/bold] .
Yet in [bold]Law[/bold] the term CCTV is used [bold]too loosely[/bold] , and should be used more specifically.Such as CCR's [bold]Closed Circuit Recorders.[/bold]
Any images recorded [bold]can be transmitted to a remote location[/bold] as is often the case.
Most PC's [bold]may NOT be aware that the unit he carries can at will be activated to transmit to a remote location.[/bold]
The Head Cams can also be used to record [bold]the activates of Officers[/bold] whilst on the beat.
[bold]No one is beyond suspicion these days.[/bold]
Posted by: MIG, Poole on 7:21pm today
Quote However these cameras and those used by Police Officers are NOT CCTV as such in that the image is not capable of being monitored at another location.
Reply Good points you make
MIG .
Yet in
Law the term CCTV is used
too loosely , and should be used more specifically.Such as CCR's
Closed Circuit Recorders.
Any images recorded
can be transmitted to a remote location as is often the case.
Most PC's
may NOT be aware that the unit he carries can at will be activated to transmit to a remote location.
The Head Cams can also be used to record
the activates of Officers whilst on the beat.
No one is beyond suspicion these days.
Posted by: paul, poole on 12:10pm Mon 28 Jul 08
the so called workers at the Nuffield site check out your vehicle like someone at a car booty...get off your fat arses and HELP. there's always a back log of people waiting to get in to your crummy little site so is it any wonder why people get abusive? Sort it out!
the so called workers at the Nuffield site check out your vehicle like someone at a car booty...get off your fat arses and HELP. there's always a back log of people waiting to get in to your crummy little site so is it any wonder why people get abusive? Sort it out!
Posted by: Slightly right of Attilla The, poole on 1:53pm Mon 28 Jul 08
Perhaps we should have web cams in the Council chamber to video abusive Councillors. Then if the footage could get onto YOUTUBE the two to whom I refer might do us all a favour and be shamed into resigning!
Perhaps we should have web cams in the Council chamber to video abusive Councillors. Then if the footage could get onto YOUTUBE the two to whom I refer might do us all a favour and be shamed into resigning!
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