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Row over 'brutal and ugly' £100m Poole Quay plan


“A CARBUNCLE on the quay” – that’s the verdict of two conservation groups fighting plans for a £100 million waterfront development in Poole.

The proposal, which includes a 12-storey ‘landmark’ tower, would transform industrial space between Poole Bridge and the new Twin Sails Bridge.

It has been branded “brutal and ugly” by Poole Old Town Conservation Group and Dorset Campaign to Protect Rural England.

The groups have now joined forces against Neptune Consultants’ application for 440 homes, shops and offices off West Quay Road, which they claim will dwarf Old Town and the quay – especially St James’ Church.

A leaflet written by Bill Constance, chairman of the Poole Old Town Conservation Group, brands it a “brutal monolithic design”, adding: “Even the developers’ own artists cannot make this look anything but brutal and ugly.”

He calls the proposed 12-storey tower alongside the Poole Bridge “completely out of character”, adding it would “dominate the area with its brutality”.

He said the Old Town wall was in danger of being “walled in” by such unsympathetic developments.

“We have nothing against redevel-opment – in fact it’s needed for very good reasons. What we are concerned about is that all the plans we see are for massive tower blocks just not in keeping with the Old Town,” he said.

The campaigners are calling for residents to register their objections before the planning deadline on September 3, and are planning a public protest meeting.

In a statement Neptune Consultants said they believed the proposal was a “very well-considered and sustain-able” development, the design of which evolved with “extensive consultation over some two years” – including with local interest groups and residents.

It adds: “It is undoubtedly a significant redevelopment proposal which is contemporary and will have its own distinct sense of identity but one that is sympathetic to the character of the Old Town and Quayside.”

They highlighted the planned “vibrant and very high quality new public quayside” adding that the proposal would set a “new benchmark in terms of amenity and quality of design”.

The statement ends: “We would encourage everyone to go and view the planning application to understand the proposal.


Reaching for the sky

Poole does have a number of tall buildings in this area – but none in the immediate vicinity.

The redeveloped Orchard Plaza, Old Orchard, is 11 storeys.

The Linden homes Aqua development on Holes Bay is a maximum of 10 storeys. Inland from the Quay, the 1960s tower blocks, Drake Court, Nelson Court and Sterte Court are 12 storeys. Dolphin Quays on the quayside is eight storeys.


Comments(41)

gileto says...
9:35am Wed 18 Aug 10

Think the buildings shown in the article are bad? Go and see the mock-ups in the Planning Dept for the full picture further round to the 'much wanted' new bridge crossing - two words - Beirut 'n Battenburg spring to mind...

High Treason says...
9:45am Wed 18 Aug 10

I noticed there is already an ugly laod of steel added to an old building on Poole Quay. It looks horrendous and spolis the atmosphere of the quay. Looked for a photo of it but never found one. Poole needs to keep the old part of Poole as old. Thats its attraction, lose that and you lose the visitors.

soapboxdave says...
9:51am Wed 18 Aug 10

Concrete jungle, Milton Keynes 2 the sequel

Adrian XX says...
10:07am Wed 18 Aug 10

Any chance the echo could publish some much larger pictures of this?

Was Charlie says...
10:10am Wed 18 Aug 10

Presumably the people who want to impose these ugly constructions on the town don't live here.
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If they do, and don't like Poole as it is or aren't willing to offer something in keeping with the old town, then I suggest they go live somewhere else and wreck that.

Nickolai says...
10:17am Wed 18 Aug 10

Have we gone back to the awful brutalist designs and ideas of the 60's, that so ruined our towns and cities ?

This is truly awful !

Adrian XX says...
10:20am Wed 18 Aug 10

Any chance the echo could publish some much larger pictures of this?

tailor made says...
10:21am Wed 18 Aug 10

Poole is a beatiful place Canford Cliffs ,Branksome Park and the areas along the harbour are stunning . Lets face it Poole Quay is a working dock and while the old high street maintains some charm its not really well maintained anymore. Not sure about the building proposed but it needs modern as opposed to quaint

Was Charlie says...
11:10am Wed 18 Aug 10

There's modern, stylish and in keeping and modern, plain ugly and out of place. The proposal is the latter.

djdaface says...
11:13am Wed 18 Aug 10

I am usually pro development in the area but I cannot see at all how this is going to help with the dive that is poole town centre

The old town is about the only place with some culture left, there is already a fair amount of disused offices and empty new homes, what good is building more going to do?

2000 barclays staff leaving the area so you build more homes and offices - clever! You need to bring more trade to the area not offices

Dorset Mitch says...
11:52am Wed 18 Aug 10

With the risked of being shot down, its not that bad, it could be worse. Its no oil painting (going on the small image here), but its no 1960's tower block! The new building on the old Poole Pottery Site is very nice, what does ruin the Quay is the old 'band stand' opposite the Poole Pottery site and the Platform back down to the bridge.

pac31 says...
12:07pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Why not put the pyramid on the site, and have a light beam out of the top of it. could light up the area .

Syd Poumen says...
12:27pm Wed 18 Aug 10

gileto wrote:
Think the buildings shown in the article are bad? Go and see the mock-ups in the Planning Dept for the full picture further round to the 'much wanted' new bridge crossing - two words - Beirut 'n Battenburg spring to mind...
As the 'landmark' tower looks like Battenburg, it will be a piece of cake to get Poole Council's infamous Planning Committee to swallow it!

bourneidentity says...
12:41pm Wed 18 Aug 10

i think this is the direction sites like this in Dorset need to be moving, i saw this scheme at the public presenatation and it has received a lot more consideration than the awful Asda scheme - brick finish, heights, new streets between blocks and all parking underground is sympathetic - would we rather cutesy little Barrat Homes?

Perry_Winkle says...
12:59pm Wed 18 Aug 10

As usual, all architect and planners' ego, no thought for sympathetic design. With a landmark twin sails bridge, a landmark West Quay development, the landmark Quay development, we'll soon be all landmark and no reality!

benjamin says...
1:41pm Wed 18 Aug 10

These buildings look as if a baboon has been given a Lego set to play with. If this is the best they can dream up for Poole, I dread to think what we will get on the Hamworthy side!

benjamin says...
1:48pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Could the Echo organise a referendum on the proposal. Lets see haw many approve or disapprove.

Nev Monkton says...
2:04pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Who are Neptune Consultants? When you google it, it comes up with an HR consultant firm, not a property developer. Do they mean Neptune Developments?

Mediclogan5 says...
3:09pm Wed 18 Aug 10

OOOHHHH GIANT LEGO!....Oh wait its a Martian Colony....You know watching all those 'Blue Peters' on the BBC really pays of in the Architect world. Sticky back plastic and a Corn Flake packet and you to could design a tower block with little imagination needed although you may need a grown up to help you.

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...
3:25pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Looks like a pile of containers waiting to be loaded onto a ship.

Lewcee says...
3:33pm Wed 18 Aug 10

So...bring back the old?? Scruffy timber yards, derelict boat yards, BDH, the Foundry, old disused warehouses, concrete grain silo buildings, bomb sites, tatty Poole Pottery and kilns, coal dust all over, trains on the quay, fish wagons, old gas works, 7megabrick power station, and worst of all... Baiter, which was the unofficial dump for Poole.
Fifty years later, I think we can see some improvement, even if not to everyone's liking - it is soooo much better than it was!!!

Mediclogan5 says...
3:58pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Lewcee wrote:
So...bring back the old?? Scruffy timber yards, derelict boat yards, BDH, the Foundry, old disused warehouses, concrete grain silo buildings, bomb sites, tatty Poole Pottery and kilns, coal dust all over, trains on the quay, fish wagons, old gas works, 7megabrick power station, and worst of all... Baiter, which was the unofficial dump for Poole.
Fifty years later, I think we can see some improvement, even if not to everyone's liking - it is soooo much better than it was!!!
Theres development and development, yes the sight was run down but Old Poole Town has a character that needs preserving and all the modern eye sores that proliferate the surrounding area is enough to make Prince Charles run for his vomit bag. Architectual designs should encompass the surrounds not obliterate them.

upontown says...
4:23pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Think I'm gonna be sick!

akatek says...
4:42pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Two forthcoming Poole disasters captured in a front-page picture! The dysfunctional Twin Queues Bridge and its new neighbour the tenement-like blockhouses.

boracay says...
5:10pm Wed 18 Aug 10

I work in the Construction industry and i find the design depressin in design for the area & it's location, with the lifting bridge in the distance. It should be redisigned with a much lower construction level a more luxury, that is more of a spetical, open and more inspired look to it ar that of the in-keeping developments that of the Sandbanks location. The look totaly Distroy's that Harbour View. May I suggest they get a different designer with a new way of looking at things!

greyowl says...
5:23pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Where the 'ell is the Society of Poole Men?? They used to have a lot of clout and a big say in what went on in Poole, you never hear of them now.

WIGGINSv says...
5:43pm Wed 18 Aug 10

The Quadrant Portsmouth....?????

EGHH says...
5:52pm Wed 18 Aug 10

God that is ugly. If it gets passed I can only imagine money has changed hands!

jdichio says...
6:06pm Wed 18 Aug 10

How I wish we could go back in time thirty or so years when they still had the old warehouses along the quay. They would look so much nicer than what is there now.

Heather Hoffmann says...
6:07pm Wed 18 Aug 10

As an expat who thinks that Poole is the most delightful old town ,it horrifies me to think that the borough of Poole council would even entertain the thought of having thess monstrous cement buildings built!

Woodforthetrees says...
6:38pm Wed 18 Aug 10

The planning application number is APP/10/00995/F and all details can be viewed on Borough of Poole's website, including an Artists Impression of different angles of this scheme.

H2oHara says...
6:54pm Wed 18 Aug 10

benjamin wrote:
Could the Echo organise a referendum on the proposal. Lets see haw many approve or disapprove.
Poole council have a website where one can give their comments for or against these container towers ! ( or whatever they are !)

oldalbanion says...
7:11pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Woodforthetrees wrote:
The planning application number is APP/10/00995/F and all details can be viewed on Borough of Poole's website, including an Artists Impression of different angles of this scheme.
Thank you for that link I have examined the images and find the concept 'beautiful modern art' I think it brings Poole out of the dark ages along with the new bridge. Its time to put Poole on the map along with the new marinas. Sadly people are always adverse to change. i wonder how the townsfolk felt when the first brick built 2 storey house was built, must have felt like a skyscaper! Lets enjoy what will be a fantastic development for Poole and its people with lots of new jobs and lovely homes.

Was Charlie says...
7:22pm Wed 18 Aug 10

I had great difficulty reading the responses on the planning web site because Poole Council's computer is obviously so antiquated that it doesn't have automatic word wrap and you have to scroll far right to read some of them.
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Perhaps they should get that put right instead of spending money on some of the diabolical schemes they come up with.
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Have to say I agree with comments made to the Council, and am surprised that they are so polite.

psatlast says...
7:34pm Wed 18 Aug 10

Ah,more homes for the working classes then!I don't think so!!

Cookie75 says...
8:16pm Wed 18 Aug 10

What is there currently needs redeveloping, I dont think this in doubt. The proposal is utterly dreadful from any point of view. It isn't even faddish. It isn't tasteful. There is no reason why it cant be built with some kind of traditional/old theme within a modernistic design. This area of Poole is a goldmine for the town (if done tastefully and with a long term vision) and desperately needed. Dont f it up Poole Council!

BIGTONE says...
12:51am Thu 19 Aug 10

I would be very interested if HRH Prince of Wales has any views on this as he has several vested interests here in Dorset.
I have forwarded the link to this story to Clarence house.

Chris12 says...
11:26am Thu 19 Aug 10

I agree that there is a potential to develop the site but do not feel that the design proposed has much merit.

Modern design can look impressive and add interest. There is no reason to limit the design to something that mirrors the existing buildings of the old town. Historically, the buildings in the old town were at some point in their life the latest modern buildings compared to what was already there.

Equally, the church spires of old were the high rise buildings of their time. It is simply a case of technology creating new opportunities.

Having said that, the opportunity to create something new should not ignore the opportunity to enhance the existing area. The new proposal is purely a lazy attempt to shoehorn as many 1 and 2 bedroom properties in to a finite space above the revenue generating units that are included. Needless to say, there is no provision for social housing included in the plan so once again we are creating much needed housing only for those who can afford it, want a holiday home or a buy to let opportunity.

The height of the development should be limited to the height of the existing surrounding properties and there is scope to recreate the feeling of the Old Town in a new way. Sadly, this would cost more to build and would require creative thinking.

Perhaps the Council should launch a design competition to attract architects and builders with imagination and creativity to develop the site rather than allow a bog standard development of rabbit hutches above retail to be the goal ?

Where is the foresight of the Council ? Is there not a unique opportunity to re-align the roads in that part of town to make the most of the opportunity from the new Twin Sails bridge operating in conjunction with the existing bridge. The new development will be isolated from the rest of the quay, doubtless have better access and parking - thus sucking more people and trade from The Quay.

Poole Council needs a masterplan for this piece of land that enhances that entire part of the town, not simply flogging it off to the first developer that comes along with a proposal and the money to do something.

master plan says...
11:38am Thu 19 Aug 10

As i live in cinnamon lane in the old town i love the period buildings but times change and areas change. The part they are going to build on is a car park for sunseeker with temopry fencing a real eye sore and there are old run down factorys with smashed windows broken guttering and so on what a lovely image of poole. When the new bridge is built what would you like to see as you came across. Every town has the same problem but once its built they would all welcome it so i'm all for a modern looking town instead of being reminded of a past that no one has really used for tourist.
I did see the meeting in st james church on sunday and may i say it was all old people maybe its them that don't want the change

Chris12 says...
12:15pm Thu 19 Aug 10

I agree with you Masterplan - the current site needs something doing with it but modern design does not have to unimaginative.

The proposed buildings, as seen in the artists impressions, do very little to enhance the area.

We don't have to replicate the existing buildings in some twee faux fashion of days gone by but we should demand that whatever goes up does add something to the area in terms of design, use of materials and the way that it enhances the wider area.

The Seasider says...
12:31am Fri 20 Aug 10

Berlin. Krakow. Barcelona. Dublin. These buildings could be anywhere. "Identikit Modern Europa" is the style. About as exciting and unique as Times New Roman is in the world of 'typeface fonts'!
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I, actually, am a big fan of cutting edge modern architecture. Buildings which turn heads, are exciting and have a sense of presence are fantastic editions to any town or city. But this scheme isnt good enough to aspire to such architectural praise.
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For those who wish only to see buildings built in a traditional style, to create a bogus history, go and see Poundbury (the Dorchester extension). The buildings are excellent quality, the intentions are honourable.... but the place is lifeless. Like a disused film set. To pretend to live in a world set 200 years ago is never going to feel genuine. BUT, you can borrow from the past, and have sensitivity towards it- when being creative and defining a new architectural language.
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Poole town and quay has over time lost virtually all its cohesive sense of urban integrity. The scale and style of developments all sit uncomfortably togeather. It is actually how most towns and cities look- a hotch-potch.
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BUT this quay site is a great opportunity to breath new life and vibrancy in to the area. Because it is waterside and near the new bridge - it has great scope to be really creative. The current scheme looks like it would be cutting edge c. 1975 - 1980, but not now. If built, this scheme would not register a flicker of interest from virtually anybody- including the people who build it. Compare this reaction to what architects like Zaha Hadid or Frank Gehry provoke.
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All I can urge is that the developers and designers raise their sights, think a little deeper, demand better and create something exceptional. This Poole quayside land is equivalent to Bournemouths Imax site. It demands extreme scrutiny where quality of design must be without compromise.
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LOVE IT OR LOATHE IT? One of the artists designs for the £100 million waterfront development in Poole Another artist design of the proposed 12-story 'landmark'

LOVE IT OR LOATHE IT? One of the artists designs for the £100 million waterfront development in Poole

Another artist design of the proposed 12-story 'landmark'



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