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Dorset public wants to see more police on the beat


NEWS that only one in 10 police officers is available to the public at any one time comes as little surprise to the British public.

They have become accustomed to the paperwork, antiquated shift patterns and red tape which leave many areas without regular patrols.

But warnings that officer numbers could be slashed when budget cuts hit the Home Office seem to have stretched their patience a little too far.

In Dorset, members of the public are making it very clear what they want to see – more police on the beat.

A report released by Chief Inspector of Constabulary Sir Denis O’Connor warned that the ability of police forces to combat crime could be seriously affected when cuts are made.

He said a “total redesign” of how officers work is essential to ensure police officers are available to the public when they are needed.

And shoppers in Boscombe agreed and said more must be done to make sure officers are more visible to the public.

David Coxshall, 69, from Boscombe said he and his wife often feel intimidated by groups of young people in the area and added: “I would feel more confident if there were more police around. “I don’t think there should be any cuts to the police service because there are not enough officers now. I know it sounds silly but cycling is banned in the pedestrian area of Boscombe but there is no one to enforce it. We have nearly been hit on several occasions.”

Neil Cann, 49, from Kinson said: “I never see police on patrol where I live. I think there are a lot of old people who are very nervous and feel they are not being looked after.”

Susan Miles, 59, from Boscombe said she believes officers spend too much time dealing with drunks in Bournemouth town centre at weekends and added: “Perhaps if the pubs and clubs paid for more officers there would be some available in other areas.”

And Debbie Gardner, 43, from Pokesdown, said: “We need as many officers on the beat as we can get. I would like to see Dorset Police come up with other ways of saving money.”

Joseph Rushford, 86, retired from Bournemouth, said: “All police need to be kept. They are all doing a really good job so I think the more police the better, to keep tabs on criminals.”

Alison Vivian, 46, unemployed from Charminster, said: “The police need to look at ways to cut back on the paperwork so that officers are paid to be on the streets rather than in the office.” And Farrukh Khan, 27, sales expert from central Bournemouth, said: “They should give Police Community Support Officers more powers to help cut crime on the streets.”

Latest figures reveal there were a total of 7,837 offences carried out in Dorset in April and May this year, 11.6 per cent fewer than during the same period last year.

Dorset Police Assistant Chief Constable Mike Glanville said: “The Force is already the second lowest funded and the fourth lowest spending in the country.

“A major review is being undertaken to prioritise the budget in readiness of the further cuts in government support expected to be announced later this year.

“Whatever the extent of these cuts, the public can have absolute confidence in the commitment of Dorset Police to Making Dorset Safer and Feel Safer.”

And Simon Merry, Dorset Police head of corporate development, said: “The extent of the government funding cut is still unknown and the impact on officers is not yet clear. However, we are examining ways to maintain our front line services to ensure people and communities remain protected and safe.

“The potential loss of operational police officers is a concern to us as it will be to the community.

“Cutting crime has always been a priority. We must remember that crime is reducing and that, generally speaking, people are safer now than they have been before.

“The force will be making some very careful decisions about the balance of services but the priority will be on maintaining front line.”

Comments(19)

Derf says...
8:16am Wed 21 Jul 10

not withstanding the police, any employer who provides a work force on 24 hr cover will only at best ever have 33% of their staff at work at any one time (assuming a 3 shift rotation), now given that the police also provide 7 days a week cover, then you will need at least 4 or 5 teams working those 3 shifts in order to cover the working time directive, that brings it down to 20 - 25% of the officers at work at any one time. Then factor in the paperwork side of things, attending court, sickness, leave etc... then suddenly 10% doesn't seem that unreasonable.

jeebuscripes says...
8:29am Wed 21 Jul 10

This story could be retitled:

"Crime drops by 11%, public still not happy."

McVICAR says...
9:05am Wed 21 Jul 10

Derf wrote:
not withstanding the police, any employer who provides a work force on 24 hr cover will only at best ever have 33% of their staff at work at any one time (assuming a 3 shift rotation), now given that the police also provide 7 days a week cover, then you will need at least 4 or 5 teams working those 3 shifts in order to cover the working time directive, that brings it down to 20 - 25% of the officers at work at any one time. Then factor in the paperwork side of things, attending court, sickness, leave etc... then suddenly 10% doesn't seem that unreasonable.
The working time directive has a lot of exemptions including emergency services, fire police and ambulance, so in some cases this directive will not apply. Needs of the service is the usual cop out ( pardon the pun ) of this directive.

Norman Mead says...
9:23am Wed 21 Jul 10

McVICAR wrote:
Derf wrote:
not withstanding the police, any employer who provides a work force on 24 hr cover will only at best ever have 33% of their staff at work at any one time (assuming a 3 shift rotation), now given that the police also provide 7 days a week cover, then you will need at least 4 or 5 teams working those 3 shifts in order to cover the working time directive, that brings it down to 20 - 25% of the officers at work at any one time. Then factor in the paperwork side of things, attending court, sickness, leave etc... then suddenly 10% doesn't seem that unreasonable.
The working time directive has a lot of exemptions including emergency services, fire police and ambulance, so in some cases this directive will not apply. Needs of the service is the usual cop out ( pardon the pun ) of this directive.
Well it can't be that many hours: The Independent recently reported that since 2005 there's been a fourfold increase in police officers having second jobs. Okay, it's only about 1 in 18 who have declared that they have other paid work, but there are thought to be many more officers who haven't admitted it.

Derf says...
9:28am Wed 21 Jul 10

Police officers as well as anyone are expected to have a weekend (or 2 days if they have to provide 7 day a week cover) off.
If they wish to work it as overtime, then so be it, however if there's a 3 shift rotation, at least 2 teams would need to be 'off duty' 2 days a week, and thus reduce the percentage of the workforce on duty.

Nickolai says...
10:30am Wed 21 Jul 10

Lack of Police is not anything new unfortunately, but the traditional "Bobby on the beat" , with another one only a whistle-blow away in the next road has not been around for forty years !
My dad was a policeman who used to be based in Christchurch - often on night shift there would be only three coppers available for the whole town !

In Absentia says...
12:00pm Wed 21 Jul 10

With the coming cuts and SuperDave's big society, all we'll have to turn to are Neighbourhood Watch schemes over the next few years.

Gordon Clifton says...
12:10pm Wed 21 Jul 10

We need a consistently high police presence on the roads as the current 'No Excuses' campaign demonstrates.

Following a tailgating and speed camera incident I wrote to the then Head of Fixed Penalties, MA Garrett, on 30 August 2006 (copied to Martin Baker) suggesting that he and the police should leave their offices occasionally to observe what happens to motorcyclists after dark in parts of Bournemouth and in villages along the A350 when keeping to the speed limits. The result? A letter from Garrett's assistant saying they wouldn't enter into correspondence.

Four years on and we hear that only 10% of the police are out and about; that their shift patterns and working practices are anachronistic; and their budgets are to be cut. It all sounds a bit like industry in the 70s. The remedies are the same. A clearout of the leadership that has allowed the situation to reach this state and the wholesale reform of work practices, recruitment and training with a renewed focus on what the police are in business to do. We'll then move on from Ford Cortina policing to something more like today's Mondeo - reliable, efffective, economical and doing what its owner wants done.

McVICAR says...
1:24pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Derf wrote:
Police officers as well as anyone are expected to have a weekend (or 2 days if they have to provide 7 day a week cover) off.
If they wish to work it as overtime, then so be it, however if there's a 3 shift rotation, at least 2 teams would need to be 'off duty' 2 days a week, and thus reduce the percentage of the workforce on duty.
I think that under certain circumstances the policecan have their leave cancelled and their rostered days off, they may well be paid overtime for working these days but I think you will find they have no choice but to work.

High Treason says...
1:43pm Wed 21 Jul 10

"11.6 per cent fewer than during the same period last year"

Rubbish!
The fact is many no longer report some crimes, the police solve so few of the ones that are reported so why bother.

McPricker says...
1:53pm Wed 21 Jul 10

I know everything, me. So if you want to know about anything, just ask. Oh, and I must always, always have the last word on any subject. That's just me. He he he. Genius, me.

High Treason says...
2:41pm Wed 21 Jul 10

McPricker wrote:
I know everything, me. So if you want to know about anything, just ask. Oh, and I must always, always have the last word on any subject. That's just me. He he he. Genius, me.
Keep taking the tablets.

McPricker says...
3:32pm Wed 21 Jul 10

High Treason wrote:
McPricker wrote:
I know everything, me. So if you want to know about anything, just ask. Oh, and I must always, always have the last word on any subject. That's just me. He he he. Genius, me.
Keep taking the tablets.
There's no need to make a personal attack just because you disagree with my point of view. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? It's people like you who have ruined this country.

BottomE says...
4:27pm Wed 21 Jul 10

It may help if they got rid of some of the nonsense police jobs that actually see many officers rarely go on the beat. Just go to the Winfrith HQ and look at some of the crazy job titles that some officers have - doing virtually nothing for the community that provides their income but earning a lot. Add to that the overtime bill that the public have to cough up for officers who can pick and choose when they work. They could also stop the on-call rate where officers sit around waiting for (fire arms) incidents that may never happen. They are on duty and getting paid but not doing any policing. Ridiculous. They need to get therhouse in order.

EGHH says...
5:25pm Wed 21 Jul 10

In Absentia wrote:
With the coming cuts and SuperDave's big society, all we'll have to turn to are Neighbourhood Watch schemes over the next few years.
Got it in one. So much for the Tories being the party of Law and Order!! Seeing how Clegg has been muzzled at PMQs the LibDems input into the Govt is a joke!

EGHH says...
5:31pm Wed 21 Jul 10

What is happening to the old police station at the civic centre? The site must be worth a fortune so why not sell it off to fund policing? Or is it going to be refurbished as a Gin Palace for the councillors?

WIGGINSv says...
5:53pm Wed 21 Jul 10

Nickolai wrote:
Lack of Police is not anything new unfortunately, but the traditional "Bobby on the beat" , with another one only a whistle-blow away in the next road has not been around for forty years ! My dad was a policeman who used to be based in Christchurch - often on night shift there would be only three coppers available for the whole town !
I seem to recall that in 1967 Home Secretary Roy Jenkins dumped the beat bobbie in favour of the all singing all dancing panda cars.
I stand to be corrected.

Norman Mead says...
8:24am Thu 22 Jul 10

What use is a bobby on foot anyhow? They're not going to be able to catch an offender in a vehicel or even on a bike. And nobody walks anywhere nowadays, not even criminals.

gurning gum mumper says...
10:24am Thu 22 Jul 10

Wear i come from police wont venture out unless there has at least 3 of them, its tough here, not like ponsey pansey boscomb and dorset, in a car with a pocket full of speeding tickets,


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