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Surf reef WILL work, says firm who built it


THE builders of the Boscombe surf reef admit it might need adjustments but claim ‘any reference to the reef as virtually unsurfable is simply not true’.

The £3m reef is the subject of mounting criticism and the council last week decided to keep a six-month study of whether it works secret from the public for the time being.

Contractors ASR told the Echo that if any adjustments are needed, the firm is ‘fully committed to ensuring the reef works to the best of its ability’.

A spokesman told the Echo: “Any reference to the reef as virtually unsurfable is simply not true.

“As the surfing conditions depend heavily on Mother Nature – with the reef acting as a ramp to help waves break – we cannot ensure consistent surfability.

“However we will base the reef’s performance on both our own surveying and feedback from the surfing and boogey boarding communities, some of which has been positive.

“The six-month report is the first phase of a 12-month monitoring period and, as with all company projects, ASR is committed to making sure the project is a success.”

The New Zealand-based firm is sending also over managing director Nick Behunin to Boscombe next week to study Plymouth University’s six-month assessment.

Bournemouth Council has so far kept the results under wraps and the report could determine whether ASR will get a £75,000 payment from the £149,000 it is still owed for its work.

ASR said Mr Behunin would: “Meet key members of the local surfing community to assess the reef and plan for any necessary adjustments.”


Comments(70)

Huey says...
10:35am Tue 9 Mar 10

Err, can we just have a refund instead please?

benjamin says...
10:43am Tue 9 Mar 10

They would say that wouldn't they.

Glashen says...
10:52am Tue 9 Mar 10

"As the reef settles and sediment and sand build up on the open ocean side of the reef, it is expected the wave conditions the reef generates will improve for surfers, with longer more consistent waves appearing after the reef has been in place for 6 to 12 months. The surfing conditions produced by the reef are initially great for body boarding, and during 2010 the waves are expected to become much more suitable for good surfing."

The above is a quote from the ASR blog, so keep our fingers crossed and it might all be OK. We really should be allowed to see the Plymouth University report without we really only have part of the picture and it's not a good part.

Laurie H Marsh says...
10:53am Tue 9 Mar 10

As to "Mother Nature" being in control, they are dead right.
I remember seeing great surf off of Bournemouth beach 40 years ago!
Didn't happen often but it did happen so be patient.
With the reef in position it could happen next year!

Schooners says...
10:58am Tue 9 Mar 10

UTTER UTTER RUBBISH.

Who do ASR think they are? BCC need to be demanding refunds and threatening legal action but they are too cowardly to do so in fear their backhand deal with be exposed.

THE REEF DOES NOT WORK. In 12 months time THE REEF WILL NOT WORK.

ASR around the World have massive problems with all of their reefs and horrific public relations problems yet they still claim it works.

Big round dangly things does it work!!!

Here a challenge for the ****s from ASR. I will put a £1000 bet on the table and give the money to charity if that reef works for 2 days straight when he is here. Lets see him be so confident now!

BmthNewshound says...
11:17am Tue 9 Mar 10

And who will pay for these "adjustments" ?....

Fightingback says...
11:25am Tue 9 Mar 10

ASR have had 'some positive' comments. What and from who?

It doesnt sound at all positive to me and I can see there's no waves 90% of the time.

The public have been misled and swindled.

If the council dont come clean quickly then they are clearly implicated.

Sue ASR and fire the council officials responsible - they are public servants and have failed us miserably!

Bob49 says...
11:28am Tue 9 Mar 10

It's the touching naivety in some that is so amusing. When did ARS ever say that it would need 6-12 months ? Conveniently after it is found not to be working it appears.



At every twist there is worse news yet still they cling on desperately hoping that it will all work. Shame that surfers haven't the same self delusion. We might see few perched on the artificial sandbank waiting this miraculous transformation.


".. working to the best of it's abilities". I can fly, to the best of my abilities. It hardly means my efforts are worthy of being considered flight.


"..some of which has been positive" Why would there be comments that weren't positive ?


Who will fund future work on this farce ? Will that money come from the same source as the money needed to put up the quality units on the pier ? The same source needed to cover the shortfall from the surfpods ?


And how long before the nightmare is roped off as being unsafe ?

bmouthrob says...
11:37am Tue 9 Mar 10

Has anyone seen Ghostbusters 2 where there is all that slime caused by negativity? I think we may be in that position soon....

Who you gonna call?

simonhumby says...
11:39am Tue 9 Mar 10

So the ASR man tells us the reef will work one day and gets a cheque for £75,000? - the council told us the last £150,000 was to be withheld until success was proven - seems like they may have been 'economical with the truth'
I really hope the sand does build up and the surf improve over the next year - but it seems like the Plymouth University experts are doubtful. If their report was positive the council wouldn't be keeping it secret.

Syd Poumen says...
12:18pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Laurie H Marsh wrote:
As to "Mother Nature" being in control, they are dead right. I remember seeing great surf off of Bournemouth beach 40 years ago! Didn't happen often but it did happen so be patient. With the reef in position it could happen next year!
' This time, next year'.
Now, where have I heard that before?!

TinyLegacy says...
12:51pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Syd Poumen wrote:
Laurie H Marsh wrote: As to "Mother Nature" being in control, they are dead right. I remember seeing great surf off of Bournemouth beach 40 years ago! Didn't happen often but it did happen so be patient. With the reef in position it could happen next year!
' This time, next year'. Now, where have I heard that before?!
Oh, it was an article about this time last year...

dont mock mike says...
2:05pm Tue 9 Mar 10

lunatic asylum patient

High Treason says...
2:08pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Google, artificial surfing reefs.

Pity the council didn't before wasting millions.

boardstiff says...
2:27pm Tue 9 Mar 10

"The New Zealand-based firm is sending also over managing director Nick Behunin to Boscombe next week to study Plymouth University’s six-month assessment."

Sorry - I thought that it was only a verbal report that had been given!

Syd Poumen says...
2:56pm Tue 9 Mar 10

TinyLegacy wrote:
Syd Poumen wrote:
Laurie H Marsh wrote: As to "Mother Nature" being in control, they are dead right. I remember seeing great surf off of Bournemouth beach 40 years ago! Didn't happen often but it did happen so be patient. With the reef in position it could happen next year!
' This time, next year'. Now, where have I heard that before?!
Oh, it was an article about this time last year...
No, I think it was from some get rich quick merchant or cowboy with three wheels on his wagon, whose trading name was a nacronym like T I T or A R S.
I believe plonkers are still being taken in by him!

Bob49 says...
3:03pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Blimey, even 'stiffy's beginning to have doubts !

boardstiff says...
3:55pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Bob49 wrote:
Blimey, even 'stiffy's beginning to have doubts !
Doubts about what, Blob?

I don't recall any aspect of "doubt" in the post to which you are clearly referring. I merely questioned how Mr Behunin can study a report that was apparently given only verbally.

If you are referring to my having doubts about the performance of the reef, I suggest you go back and READ everything I have always said. I have supported the reef all along solely on the basis that it works.

grimreaper says...
4:11pm Tue 9 Mar 10

"As the surfing conditions depend heavily on Mother Nature – with the reef acting as a ramp to help waves break – we cannot ensure consistent surfability"
.
How often will Mother Nature oblige with a Ground Swell and Offshore wind ?
.
The only two parameters for good surf !
.
5 days a year with a lot of luck !
.
5 days a year for 30 or so surfers that should help to regenerate Boscombe.
.
Replace the Imax with a mountain and when we get some snow it will be ideal for skiing !
.
Location, Location, Location !
.
Too many overpaid idiots spending money they didn't earn !!
.
MUPPETS

BH10et says...
4:13pm Tue 9 Mar 10

I cannot see how ASR are bothered whether it works or not. They have their money, and their record around the world is nothing to be holding is it. I just wish Brown and Co would see this. If the reef is already showing above the surface at low tide, then the build up of sand and silt behind it will only make it worse, and Boscombe ends up with a sandbank. The only thing it will be good for is fishing. Tight lines instead of tight lips

grimreaper says...
4:20pm Tue 9 Mar 10

There's more chance of surfing a Tsunami at Bournemouth

Bormuf Boy says...
4:55pm Tue 9 Mar 10

I think i can say with some certainty, Boscombe has the best artificial surf reef in the world.

grimreaper says...
5:13pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Bormuf Boy wrote:
I think i can say with some certainty, Boscombe has the best artificial surf reef in the world.
How often ???

GeoQ says...
5:45pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Boscombe, a great place for surfing? Don't make me laugh!
I've seen bigger waves in my bath.

grimreaper says...
6:10pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Bormuf Boy wrote:
I think i can say with some certainty, Boscombe has the best artificial surf reef in the world.
Most expensive !!

jimboob says...
6:45pm Tue 9 Mar 10

When we have the right conditions it does work but the only thing is most surfers around here wont be able to surf it because there crap!!!

Mediclogan5 says...
7:46pm Tue 9 Mar 10

Dear Council....YOUV'E BEEN HAD, Wasted millions, and you have been told by the makers It will work...The Emperors new clothes comes to mind..that and a juicy handshake somewhere.

georgina dean says...
8:02pm Tue 9 Mar 10

being residents and reading these comments we just had to go down and see for ourselves.....we had to ask where it was...........when explained we couldn't stop laughing.....there was more surf the opposite side of the pier......to quote a well know saying '''''''''THEY'RE HAVING A LAUGH.............wh
at with these millions wasted the millions on the Imax..........if we didn't have these idiots in charge OF OUR MONEY our council taxes could have GONE DOWN...............

grimreaper says...
8:45pm Tue 9 Mar 10

This whole scam needs refering to the Ombudsman.

Bob49 says...
1:39am Wed 10 Mar 10

" I have supported the reef all along solely on the basis that it works."



In the same way someone might suppport a one legged man in an a**e king contest...as long as he is good at it.


The whole concept was flawed from the start as the real purpose was always one of developing the car park for the benefit of a certain few. Dressing that scam up as a regeneration of Boscombe should have been blindingly obvious to anyone who bothered to look beyond the smoke and mirrors.


The reef's abysmal failure is a consequence of that original intent rather than any abherration. Little attention was paid by the council to the practicalities of such a construction, or the present and long term cost. Sadly the same story is being played out a mile or so along the coast with another 'beach hut failure'. Only minimal checking seems to have been done either as to the previous performance of ARS or of any reefs built by them.


Instead we have been treated to a barrage of conjured up figures relating to the supposed regeneration of Boscombe, be it visitor figures or jobs created.


Curiously I don't see any of these problems or failures besetting the Moneycomb development. In fact the rules were bent/ignored to allow it to be built above the skyline. What I do see though regarding the rest is an unfinished pier, a wrongly placed bus stop, a pile of unsold beach huts and a reef poking out of the water like some abandoned wreck.


That the council will need to make up the shortfall in the loss of these beach huts is enough burden on us all but what else has been left, in what is becoming more and more a toxic legacy ? What maintenance costs will fall on the council with regard to these concrete huts ? Was there a hope that passing them on might pass on future structural repairs ? Likewise what maintenance (or removal) costs will this reef incur ? If it is already breaking up as has been suggested then at what point will the council have to close it off so as to avoid any safety risk ?


As to the future then what will it matter to the owners of properties in the Moneycomb complex if even less people visit Boscombe beach ? That will at least add to it's exclusivity.


Cynics might suggest that was the hidden intent all along. But then that would mean accepting that the council (or certain members) are cleverer that would first appear, and that this glorious, and heroic, foul up was not down to what most think was yet another example of council managed incompetence.

Casualferret says...
7:42am Wed 10 Mar 10

Golden handshakes and fat brown envelopes all round then ..

dont mock mike says...
7:44am Wed 10 Mar 10

The pill shop opens in 10 minutes,
Get down there pal.

sherlock_holmes says...
8:31am Wed 10 Mar 10

Monowave one wave wonder

The case of the missing MILLIONS and the MONOWAVE has now been opened by the request of the local surfers. They said its a One WAVE WONDER! Watch this space as watson and sherlock reveal what has happened to the missing millions and why the monowave is a one wave wonder. Sherlock and Watson will leave no scumbag alone untill the millions or promised and purchased wave shape is recovered.

Nan Sheppard says...
9:17am Wed 10 Mar 10

I've been at excellent surf breaks in Barbados and Tobago... some of the best in the world... and watched a flat, flat sea. Nowhere will you get great waves all the time. I've been to Boscombe and seen "reef-break" waves on that artificial reef, and they are very different from the usual "beach break" waves we get everywhere else on this stretch of coast. Maybe we should leave the judgement up to the regular surfers?

sherlock_holmes says...
10:10am Wed 10 Mar 10

PTBarnum, boscombe says...
7:17am Fri 5 Mar 10

http://www.lgo.org.u

k/

the local government ombudsman is where to start a complaint process.
"The Local Government Ombudsman looks at complaints about councils and some other authorities, including education admissions appeal panels. It is a free service. Our job is to investigate complaints in a fair and independent way - we do not take sides"
They will look for flawed process and identify issues if they exist. The reef approval process was "squeeky clean?" due dilgence obviously abundant by the way it has delivered on its promises 2x,2x, all theway and 5/8th of the banzi pipeline.
Of course its so obvious that all has been delivered for 3.7mill?

its the 50 year experienced local surfers who are damning the result the most and most effectively with their judgement mr asr.

Dorset_Born_n_Bread ! says...
10:57am Wed 10 Mar 10

"ASR said Mr Behunin would: “Meet key members of the local surfing community to assess the reef and plan for any necessary adjustments.”

OK ????

1) I didnt know any of the morons in Bmth council who approved this debarcle were surfers?

2) if he conducts his own survey WHY does he have to talk to the university (comparing notes to save everybody's assets?)

3) Why does this bloody non-tax paying kiwi get to see the (secret) information before tax payers do????

This stinks all the way to the sewage pipe outlet just beyond the end of the pier!

Dorset_Born_n_Bread ! says...
10:57am Wed 10 Mar 10

"ASR said Mr Behunin would: “Meet key members of the local surfing community to assess the reef and plan for any necessary adjustments.”

OK ????

1) I didnt know any of the morons in Bmth council who approved this debarcle were surfers?

2) if he conducts his own survey WHY does he have to talk to the university (comparing notes to save everybody's assets?)

3) Why does this bloody non-tax paying kiwi get to see the (secret) information before tax payers do????

This stinks all the way to the sewage pipe outlet just beyond the end of the pier!

Trifecta says...
10:59am Wed 10 Mar 10

Nan Sheppard wrote:
I've been at excellent surf breaks in Barbados and Tobago... some of the best in the world... and watched a flat, flat sea. Nowhere will you get great waves all the time. I've been to Boscombe and seen "reef-break" waves on that artificial reef, and they are very different from the usual "beach break" waves we get everywhere else on this stretch of coast. Maybe we should leave the judgement up to the regular surfers?
Nan, there are many who would argue that the surf breaks, especially in Tobago, are far from "the best in the world" and the breaks in Cornwall are better than either destination (the weather and water temperature aside) but I do find a certain irony in an Echo reporter asking for comment to stop on an Echo comments page................
...... I have been unable to quantify how many people regularly surf in the UK, probably in the tens of thousands at most, and yet you believe that they are the only ones who should have an opinion on something that I, and every other Bournemouth tax payer has paid for. How very dare I ?

nobull says...
11:18am Wed 10 Mar 10

needs new batteries!!!???

Bob49 says...
11:36am Wed 10 Mar 10

" I've been to Boscombe and seen "reef-break" waves on that artificial reef "



Maybe you were there the same day as councillor Ann Filer who saw the whole beach and promenade filled up with visitors, many who were returning locals who had not visited the beach for 30 years or more (or so she assured us).



Shame you didn't look skywards because you might well have caught sight of a flypast of any number of pigs heading back to Hurn airport.

speedy231278 says...
12:47pm Wed 10 Mar 10

Even SWT got sucked in by this waste of money. Thinking there'd be thousands of stoned surfers coming down to play at our expense, they even rejigged the station name to 'Pokesdown for Boscombe' and updated all the displays and announcements!!

Can I have a refund on my Council Tax please? Of course not.... it'll go up above the rate of inflation for the third year running!

no vested interest says...
1:06pm Wed 10 Mar 10

How many times do the people of Bournemouth need the wool pulled over their eyes,I know its a bit chilly at the mo,but get real.Look,you have no Ocean Swell that far up the English Channel, what you get at Boscombe beach is storm waves.Storm waves are totally different than a normal Surf wave that is generated by a large ocean.Storm waves are dangerous and unpredictable and only for Surfers who are desperate for the real thing.Anyone who has been to beaches that front onto the Pacific,Indian and Atlantic oceans will notice that the waves that come directly from the Ocean into that particular beach are a different shape and will present in long lines unless broken up by a headland,Coral Reef, Beach break or Rock Shelf break.The proof is in the pudding,am I the only reader that has suggested that these amazing Reef generated Surf Breaks at Boscombe and Kimmeridge for that matter be filmed or at the very least photographed.Its not hard,I've done it myself with fairly basic video or camera equipment,the Echo could then show the photo and South Today live action of said waves.
Then get a someone without a vested interest who knows his surf to explain the difference.
A person could easily surmise that the reason this has'nt been done is that the waves at Boscombe are really not worth spending alll your hard rates on and all the reams opinion about the whole ridiculous situation.I hate feeling embarassed about my hometown but this just another one those times.I think they used to say years ago that someone should of been strung up for doing something so idiotic.

woolamai says...
6:14pm Wed 10 Mar 10

'no vested interest'

I thought you were told before. Check out http://magicseaweed.
com/photoLab/viewPho
to.php?photoId=15272
4&browseSession=6264
70f1b029510d5bfcf03f
a65d569c and then come back and say Kimmeridge doesn't get waves. Prat.

And who thought asking the over 50s surfers what the reef was like was a good idea. Thier view doesn't count because they're fat and rubbish and are some of the worst surfers in the country - you might as well ask my old brown dog.

There are 4 or 5 mouthy whingers on here who clearly haven't a clue about surfing but are constanly saying the reef doesn't work and 3 or 4 surfers who say it does. I know who I'd believe.

sherlock_holmes says...
7:20pm Wed 10 Mar 10

woolamai=asr=$$$=mon
owave
~SH&W~

Nearly Local says...
7:24pm Wed 10 Mar 10

As for the 4 or 5 mentioned on here. We know who you are and what your agenda is. This is a democracy so if you want to canvas yourselves for the top jobs and show up the opposition could I suggest you come out into the open and do it.

sherlock_holmes says...
7:36pm Wed 10 Mar 10

All in good time my dear NL. But not as you fear.All as the truth becomes overwhelmingly obvious and clear to everyone.
Its the truth that is more important than anyone person or group. I am but a servant of the truth as is well known.And as you obviously feel so threatened by it the truth is not in your interest? You&W have given yourselves away now?
~SH&W~

mikal mhor says...
8:33pm Wed 10 Mar 10

"to the best of its ability" is already a "backpeddle" and a "non-commitement". How about when it doubles the height of pier waves and does it twice the time and its all along the reef not just the tip. Then you dont have to refund the money let alone be paid anymore?
Not difficult and what the real surfers really want to see. Then you will be worth a good bonus for rescuing the situation and forgive and forget will rule!!

Bob49 says...
9:54pm Wed 10 Mar 10

"and 3 or 4 surfers who say it does"


Then might they put their knowledge to a practical purpose and demonstrate it's abilities to us lesser mortals. As well as imparting the waves perhaps our resident miracle maker woolamai could strike the Pier head with his surfboard and we could see spring forth high quality shops and a cafe, as promised.

All to be revealed to us the wondering tribe of Bournemouth. Set to wonder for 40 days and nights (well quite a bit longer actually) when this promised land will ever be reached, or completed.


Shall we wake in the morning and find the bus shelter in the right place, the Moneycombe complex lowered to it's agreed level and the beach covered in manner (yes manner) - all manner of tourist folk thronging the promenade in gaze in amazement at such wonders, most having not visited for 30 days and nights, or more.




And on that day the sick shall be healed, the lame shall rise ...............and a fair few of the surfpods will be sold off (only a fair few I know, even miracles have limits).



And this shall come to pass as is written Job (s for the boys) chpt 7 verse 23

mikal mhor says...
10:01pm Wed 10 Mar 10

lol - brilliant!
but he walks on whales not water!

mikal mhor says...
8:31am Thu 11 Mar 10

'Roger Brown, Service Director for Leisure at the council said a tenth of the payment to the firm ASR, which built the reef, is being witheld. "

??????

peter beneather benifit cheater says...
1:05pm Thu 11 Mar 10

Just been up to Boscome reef with a well waxed L/H cross country board,freezing cold though,loads of surfers there all having a swell time, one or two learners close to the pier.

mikal mhor says...
7:16pm Thu 11 Mar 10

peter beneather benifit cheater wrote:
Just been up to Boscome reef with a well waxed L/H cross country board,freezing cold though,loads of surfers there all having a swell time, one or two learners close to the pier.
roflmaf! "Thursday 09.30 - Morning, Very small out there today. It's about half a foot breaking on the shoreline. Wind is still blowing offshore and light at the moment. "
"
we all saw it! it was a wonder to behold how reef dreams can come true for you! Lets buy another three reefs? ps dont give up your day job as a banzai pipeline wave tester?

Woolamai says...
8:43pm Thu 11 Mar 10

Ha ha mikal - or should I say Tide nor Time. Very funny but swapping your logon name around to make it look like there are more people posting is a bit lame.

We saw through that pretty easily, but then that wasn't hard given your English is so lamentable.

mikal=Tide nor Time=skono=Major Dom

and they are just the obvious ones. Maybe you've been posting under more names as well -schooners??????

How'd the meetings on the pier go last week.....heard there was a massive turnout and next week you're organizing a march on Town Hall.

mikal mhor says...
9:46pm Thu 11 Mar 10

just because we all speak with one voice because we have the same complaint doesnt mean we arethe same person as much as you the corporate identity would like to think so. Do you realise how lame and immature you make your company and its executives look behaving this way. How we could ever be fooled into believing that you represented anything of substance totaly escapes me. too bad you cant be at the march as rotten fruit and stocks will be there for you. Its a traditional form of reward for scampsters that pretend that they ride the banzi pipeline as a sales gimmick.
wollami and co international wave dream salesman are
"grasping at straws also clutching at straws"
1. trying to find some way to succeed when nothing you choose is likely to work wollamai, grasping at straws, searched the backup tapes from last week, looking for the missing files.
2. trying to find reasons to feel hopeful about a bad situation She thinks he might still be interested because he calls her now and then but I think she's clutching at straws.
See also: straw
Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2006. Reproduced with permission.
i guess if you are facing fraud allegations from everyone you would do and say anything?
finally exposed you fully and please come along as you will meet us all! we have presents 4U!

mikal mhor says...
10:42pm Thu 11 Mar 10

Adding to the above wooli and co intl banzi pipe salesmen are "grasping at straws " by introducing "red herrings".

So obviously the lame actions of desperate people.

"The expression red herring is an idiom referring to a device which intends to divert the audience from the truth or an item of significance. For example, in mystery fiction, an innocent party may be purposefully cast as highly suspect through emphasis or descriptive techniques; attention is drawn away from the true guilty party.

In a literal sense, there is no such fish species as a "red herring"; rather it refers to a particularly strong kipper, meaning a fish—typically a herring but not always—that has been strongly cured in brine and/or heavily smoked. This process makes the fish particularly pungent smelling and turns its flesh red (and makes it very noticeable, notably for the idiom)...The idiomatic sense of "red herring" has, until very recently, been thought to originate from a supposed technique of training young scent hounds. There are variations of the story, but according to one version, the pungent red herring would be dragged along a trail until a puppy learned to follow the scent. Later, when the dog was being trained to follow the faint odour of a fox or a badger, the trainer would drag a red herring (whose strong scent confuses the animal) perpendicular to the animal's trail to confuse the dog. The dog would eventually learn to follow the original scent rather than the stronger scent. An alternate etymology points to escaping convicts who would use the pungent fish to throw off hounds in pursuit."

So in conclusion none of these tactics will help, also forget backtracking, wiping your tracks clean, wiping fingerprints off documents, walking upstream in water , saying waves are not guarented (twice as high, twice as often and all the length of the reef). So many of these things are your trademarks and may more that we are discovering. ponzy? the awefull truth is unfolding and we are becoming the wiser for it. ponzy monorail lyall langly ? yes I and many many more think so. The hounds are baying and closing in.

Woolamai says...
7:44am Fri 12 Mar 10

The houds are closing in, and it shall come to pass, .... all sounds remarkably like the endless posts you've been making for the last 6 months. But when are we going to see some action, when are you going to DO something except bleat on here?

6 months and all you've produced is diddly-squat.

Since you're so fond of looking things up in the dictionary - look up 'impotent' and 'tilting at windmills' and then take a look in the mirror mikal/tide nor time/skono.

Please come back and post here to let everyone know what you are actually going to DO, and not just what you fantazie about doing. After all ASR managed to build the reef in a year - so you should be able to produce something in a similar time frame.

time nor Tide says...
7:54am Fri 12 Mar 10

you know well whats happening with the "greaf" .

You also know well whats happening with your unsatisfied customers here.

Bob49 has got it all along and Tony Butt also knows.

we also know about Kimmeridge.



so dont give us all any more of the dibble that is your hallmark.

Woolamai says...
9:04am Fri 12 Mar 10

So mikal=tide nor time=scono=major dom=bob49 that's what you intend to DO is it, a BIG FAT NOTHING. That's you plan is it - NOTHING. 6 months planning to come up with - NOTHING.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
,ha,ha,ha.....ASR must be quaking in their boots if all they face is one poor deluded soul ranting under multiple pseudonyms on a local rag website every time they tempt him with a 'reef' story.

Now ...where shall I go surfing this weekend - Raglan or Piha, Whakatane or the Mount - so much choice?!?!?!?

time nor Tide says...
9:09am Fri 12 Mar 10

u need help!

peter beneather benifit cheater says...
10:41am Fri 12 Mar 10

terrible aint it.
l00k out the hound is behind you.

reefwatching says...
1:25pm Fri 12 Mar 10

It appears the good people of Borth in Wales are pressing ahead with their reef, plainly oblivious to what is happening at Boscombe. http://www.publicten
ders.net/tender/4926
7.
They need to be warned if not more taxpayers money is go down the drain. There is an email address given for the council.

time nor Tide says...
11:12pm Fri 12 Mar 10

peter beneather benifit cheater wrote:
terrible aint it. l00k out the hound is behind you.
please, get counselling!

Bob49 says...
11:52pm Fri 12 Mar 10

" But when are we going to see some action, when are you going to DO something "


Why are you urging us to do something ? Surely if it works as you claim what would be the point ?


Perhaps Woolimind you might care to grasp that this is a forum. You might also grasp that ARS did not take only a year to dump a few sandbanks in the sea - it was quite a few years.


As to your apparent the multiple personality disorder (by proxy) Woolimind I would suggest you seek some expert help. Proven experts I would suggest, rather than some chancers a local council delegation has flown out to see.



ps I was strolling along as usual Thurs morning and I certainly did not see anyone on the sandbag heap. I did see a sign near the pier that said the heap would produce waves of 50 metres (they appear to have dropped the 13ft high claims). Perhaps Woolimind has seen one of these 13 footers.

Woolamai says...
6:34am Sat 13 Mar 10

Bored now - leaving your 'forum' which means that you'll be left with a forum of 1 - not sure that really constitutes a forum, but have fun mikal=tide nor time=scono=major dom=bob49.

I leave in a happy state of mind knowing you've contributed to my toy. I actually fancy a standing wave pool so if the chance arises to buy us a wave pool on the Imax site could you bend over, dig deep and put a few pennies in for us again - actually you'll have no choice. Here we go again.....

mikal mhor says...
9:33pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Woolamai wrote:
Bored now - leaving your 'forum' which means that you'll be left with a forum of 1 - not sure that really constitutes a forum, but have fun mikal=tide nor time=scono=major dom=bob49. I leave in a happy state of mind knowing you've contributed to my toy. I actually fancy a standing wave pool so if the chance arises to buy us a wave pool on the Imax site could you bend over, dig deep and put a few pennies in for us again - actually you'll have no choice. Here we go again.....
why would you want to sabotage the public's opinion about what you purport to enjoy, care for and make money from?

boardstiff says...
12:06pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Bob49 wrote:
" But when are we going to see some action, when are you going to DO something "


Why are you urging us to do something ? Surely if it works as you claim what would be the point ?


Perhaps Woolimind you might care to grasp that this is a forum. You might also grasp that ARS did not take only a year to dump a few sandbanks in the sea - it was quite a few years.


As to your apparent the multiple personality disorder (by proxy) Woolimind I would suggest you seek some expert help. Proven experts I would suggest, rather than some chancers a local council delegation has flown out to see.



ps I was strolling along as usual Thurs morning and I certainly did not see anyone on the sandbag heap. I did see a sign near the pier that said the heap would produce waves of 50 metres (they appear to have dropped the 13ft high claims). Perhaps Woolimind has seen one of these 13 footers.
Where, please, is the sign that refers to 50 metre waves?

peter beneather benifit cheater says...
11:55am Tue 16 Mar 10

its inside yo head no doupt

competitor says...
7:14am Sat 20 Mar 10

I have competed everywhere and it will be interesting to watch the competition on the artificial reef.
It will be especially interesting to see if the waves are suitable for competition as I have been very active in promoting artificial reefs. I obviously hope all goes well. If it does, I will continue to promote the idea of building reefs. Hoping for the best- cheers.

reefskeptic says...
9:14am Wed 31 Mar 10

Dear Nick,

Call me skeptical because I went looking and gee golly wizz jimminy cricket what did I find on your ASR website?

"Project Outcomes
When the BBC began to pursue their goal “to develop a reef for recreational and commercial benefit in Boscombe”, they requested the services of ASR Ltd to undertake a feasibility study. The aim was to determine if any sites were suitable for an artificial reef and, if so, to consider the relative advantages and disadvantages of the various sites. The aims of BBC were to apply surfing reef technology to enhance a recreational site which at present only provided mediocre surfing conditions by developing a better quality surfing venue that will not only benefit new generations of surfers, but also provide a focus for the region. ASR conducted extensive field studies which collected wave, tide, bathymetric and ecological data as part of the Boscombe Reef design project. The challenges of working with a small and unpredictable wave climate were overcome by creating a design with a large footprint that will magnify and make the most of even the smallest and least favorable wave conditions. Construction of the Bournemouth Reef is being undertaken by ASR Ltd and commenced in July 2008."

Niiiicky - this is from your companys website!

The outcomes stated by your company website seem at odds with
1.what the surfers are saying
2.what the public are saying
3.what you are saying
4.what plymouth university and the two others are not saying.
5. what all the observers are seeing, hearing and and making their own minds up about.
6. What BBC are at loss to say

Sorry but its all too confusing to make any sense at all .

This only leaves everyone thinking that there is something really amiss?

In my humble opinion i think its all unravelling as such inconsistancies seem to overwhelmingly suggest!

PS, were you a surfpark director as well? ~ gosh, gee gollly wizz jimminy crickets ~ I hope not!

That would not instill any confidence in anybody?

gosh , gee ,golly, whiz, jimminy cricket a new fact ~ reefs dont make waves -wind does.

Its certainly lucky that your designed and constructed reef "will magnify and make the most of even the smallest and least favorable wave conditions." as your website says is a outcome, that we are all very convinced about?

What will be even more inconsistant is your website changing from this.

That will be taken as an admission of its irrelevence to reality.

A cliche comes to mind and it starts with "what a tangled web we weave .."

mikal mhor says...
4:53pm Wed 7 Apr 10

The surf reef is currently undergoing a monitoring process with “constructive dialogue” between Bournemouth council, New Zealand contractor ASR, Wessex Surf Club, Bournemouth Chamber of Trade and Commerce, Sorted Surf and Bournemouth Surfing Centre said to be ongoing. "

Its constructive if we hear more than " the climates changed since it was designed -so it cant work as the waves that were designed for are not there any more".

Its also constructive if we hear more than " we have a model that we are tweaking by putting pins into it as we dance around a fire in grass skirts". Everyone can expect to see improvements by the season due to this activity.

Its also constructive if we hear more than " every day the entrails are showing that improvements to the waves are due any time now -just have patience" If you dont believe us we can give you some chicken entrails to see for yourself ( nice soup giblets for after the modelling experiment!).

Our other reefs are all performing well so give this one time and it will learn to work properly too!

Sot here we have it

1. the climates changing (ask Al Gore)

2.Our sticking pins into the lab model should see results any season now (havent you noticed it heave ?)

3. The chicken entrails are showing future seasonal improvements with a definite trend to hawaii's wave likeness becoming apparent in 2020. ( yum after the daily experiment)

4. All the other reefs built are performing so well that they are getting accolades ( any season soon waves may break suitably for surfing well there too.)

All encouraging news from the laboritory and worth sellng the ranch to invest in.

But dont blame us if the ocean floor shifts , climate changes , we get a bad lot of chickens for entrail reading and the pins are too blunt to translate into real tweaks. Go talk to the sand, Al Gore. Crnl Sanders and the pin cushion -they are the ones that determine what we say?

Other than that the reef is a sucess


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