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THERE'S a news article out at the moment saying that people in Dorset are being asked where they want new cycling routes to be built.

Dorset County Council wants to encourage residents to cycle more often and is trying to map out a safe and easy cycle network across the county.

The deadline for suggestions is 26th February, however it would seem that someone isn't very keen for opinions to be submitted as you have to do quite a lot of searching to find out where to actually make yourself heard.

I have gone to the effort of finding out, so if you do want to submit your suggestions follow this link: http://www.dorsetforyou.com/index.jsp?articleid=394777

Good luck if you do go to the link as it's not exactly an easy tool to use either!

I'm all for people having their say when it comes to new schemes, did you know that in Bournemouth & Poole there is a group who represents the views of cyclists when it comes to new road schemes and developments?

This group is generally invited to consultation meetings on new road and cycling schemes and are asked for their views and opinions.

The group is made up of local cyclists from different backgrounds and repesentatives from groups like the Cyclists Touring Club (CTC) and Agenda21 who are a group that aims to encourage and develop a local sustainable community.

However, there is one big problem with consultation groups, you do tend to get the same number of opinions as there are people in the group!

Having attended some of these meetings, I'm always amazed at the criticism that is aimed at those people planning the new schemes who are just trying to do the best for everyone and come up with a level of comprimise to satisfy all road users.

There always seems to be a few people who are so blinkered and single minded that if their view isn't seen to be correct then the scheme is a failure, comprimise seems to be a difficult thing for them to understand.

Any new road scheme has to be a comprimise and the new cycle lanes on Sandbanks Road in Poole are a good example of this.

As a cyclists who uses that particular road several times a week, I can't say that the lanes are pefect but they have reduced traffic speed and the number of accidents on this route, so surely they must be a success?

There are one or two bits that I particularly don't like:

Heading towards Sandbanks there is one area when the cycle lane is on the outside of parking space and cyclists are forced into the middle of the road.

In both directions near the shops and petrol station at Lilliput there are two "pinch points" with traffic islands in the middle of the road. At these points the lane for motor vehicles narrows and cars etc are intended to slow and allow cyclists to have priority, however as a cyclist you are regularly skimmed by cars unless you are assertive and adjust your road position to ensure that no-one tries to squeeze past.

It's been said before, but until the general motoring community realise that they share the roads with other users, slow down and have some respect for other people, cycling on the road will continue to be an "extreme" sport!

Personally I prefer my adrenaline buzz to not be related to near death experiences!

Comments(11)

mikey2gorgeous says...
12:03pm Mon 25 Jan 10

We will always have a problem in the UK because cycling provision will have to fit in with an infrastructure that grew with no planning for it.
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Where cycle lanes are put in they need to be 'Desirable, direct and safe' to quote the Danish.
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There will always be a need for cyclists to be in traffic - teaching assertive riding is essential. Also, simply getting the number of cyclists up enough will have an impact as evidenced by the 'safety in numbers' theory.
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However, we must not lose sight of the fact that, even with current provisions, cycling is no more dangerous than being a pedestrian.
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Blanket 20mph residential zones have been proven to have a great impact on accident and casualty rates. In fact the BMA have recommended them!

upontown says...
5:04pm Mon 25 Jan 10

There's a number of points that you forgot to mention...Who pays for the paint or the people to come up with schemes?

Why don't cyclists pay Road TAX and have Insurance?

Approx £43 billion is collected from the motorist, it's about time the Cyclists put something into the Pot.

..and another thing, why are some cycle lanes wider than others? The widest one I've seen so far is going up the hill towards Corfe hills school. Why didn't they just use the path way, it's wide enough to accommodate pedestrians and Cyclists, instead I get a Cycle lane on the highway wide enough for billy bunter, I've seen small cars diving in it....

sprint says...
5:04pm Mon 25 Jan 10

I have to say that you are the complete opposite of me in regards to cycle lanes. I have yet to find any cycle path in the area that is of any benefit to cyclists. Far from it. In fact, I can't think of any cycle in the area that doesn't massively INCREASE the danger for cyclists. The lanes at Sandbanks are so dangerous, that the only way to remain safe is to cycle outside the cycle lane. Councils are given extra money by the government for being green, and promoting envioronmentally protective practices. In other words, they get money for painting a few white lines and a few green patches on the roads to be seen to be paying lip service to teh environment. They don't bother doing any research to see if there is any benevit to cyclists. One of the meetings for cyclists that you mentioned discussed (amongst other things) the new traffic lights at the Boscombe Spa Road/Old Christchurch Road junction. I didn't attend, but a representative from work did. There was mention of inclusion of facilities for cyclists, but the minutes from the meeting don't mention anywhere that the road layout will be made so dangerous for cyclists that it is borderline impassible for anyone cycling eastbound down Christchurch Road, very very dangerous west bound, and IMPOSSIBLE to turn right into Boscombe Spa road.

Not certain on 20mph zones. For a start, there has only been on area that has reported a reductoin in accidents in a 20 zone. What most of the articles regarding this fail to mention is the fact that most vehicles stopped using the area altogether, and used alternative roads. If all roads were 20, where would the cars go? Also, the "must get past the cyclists" mentality of most drivers will bring them into further conflict simply because there will be less speed difference between the vehicles. I hate having the cycle down Harwood Ave in the 20 zone. I find it very dangerous.

I agree with you on the pinch points at Lilliput though, and anywhere else for that matter. Local authorities have a legal obligation to ensure that roads are for for ALL road users, and the danger these areas cause cyclists is not acceptable.

MandinVerwood says...
10:24pm Mon 25 Jan 10

upontown wrote:
There's a number of points that you forgot to mention...Who pays for the paint or the people to come up with schemes?

Why don't cyclists pay Road TAX and have Insurance?

Approx £43 billion is collected from the motorist, it's about time the Cyclists put something into the Pot.

..and another thing, why are some cycle lanes wider than others? The widest one I've seen so far is going up the hill towards Corfe hills school. Why didn't they just use the path way, it's wide enough to accommodate pedestrians and Cyclists, instead I get a Cycle lane on the highway wide enough for billy bunter, I've seen small cars diving in it....
They don't pay road TAX as they don't have to - Neither do car drivers either mind you!! Local roads are paid for from local taxes - not your VED - yes the same taxes we all pay for!!
As for Insurance - well there are more uninsured motorists on the road right now than uninsured cyclists - so lets pick on the minority eh! A lot of people are actually more insured than you think. A cyclist crashing into something is goign to cause a bit of damage - A car crashing into something will cause quite a bit more!
Did you know that the £43Billion you are talking about goes into central goverement coffers. Also a lot of cyclsist also have cars - I bet I pay more in Tax for mine than you do for yours - but then I only use it rarely now but still pay out the top whack. I like riding my bikes more and to bo honest the bikes are worth a lot more than quite a few of the cars on the road and I'm fully insured as well.

mikey2gorgeous says...
10:23am Tue 26 Jan 10

upontown wrote:
There's a number of points that you forgot to mention...Who pays for the paint or the people to come up with schemes?

Why don't cyclists pay Road TAX and have Insurance?

Approx £43 billion is collected from the motorist, it's about time the Cyclists put something into the Pot.

..and another thing, why are some cycle lanes wider than others? The widest one I've seen so far is going up the hill towards Corfe hills school. Why didn't they just use the path way, it's wide enough to accommodate pedestrians and Cyclists, instead I get a Cycle lane on the highway wide enough for billy bunter, I've seen small cars diving in it....
Actually I DO pay vehicle excise duty on the 2 cars I own (which I leave behind when I cycle!). Not that it has anything to do with roads as Mand points out.

BH18 says...
4:13pm Tue 26 Jan 10

upontown wrote:
There's a number of points that you forgot to mention...Who pays for the paint or the people to come up with schemes? Why don't cyclists pay Road TAX and have Insurance? Approx £43 billion is collected from the motorist, it's about time the Cyclists put something into the Pot. ..and another thing, why are some cycle lanes wider than others? The widest one I've seen so far is going up the hill towards Corfe hills school. Why didn't they just use the path way, it's wide enough to accommodate pedestrians and Cyclists, instead I get a Cycle lane on the highway wide enough for billy bunter, I've seen small cars diving in it....
I also pay tax for two cars but cycle a lot.
The biggest cycle lanes are at Lychett,
ridiculous!

Dart and on says...
3:17pm Wed 27 Jan 10

Road tax is required largely to pay for mending and general upkeep of roads. Most dameage to roads is caused by the weight of vehicles using them and it increases exponentially by axle weight. Hence bicycles would have an infinitesimally small amount of tax to pay. If cars had not been invented we would have been using the same roads the Romans built.
If motorists who were cyclists had to pay a secondary double tax, it would discourage cycle use, leading to more car use and more wear and tear
I am surprised I have to explain simple logic and science
Get the Police to catch motorists without tax!

mikey2gorgeous says...
3:08pm Thu 28 Jan 10

@Dart - what you refer to as 'Road Tax' is actually 'Vehicle Excise Tax' which is not designed to raise money for roads but used to tax higher polluting vehicles more. Zero emission cars (electric for example) pay £0 and so, of course, would bikes.
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The actual upkeep of roads is funded by general and local taxation (petrol, income & council). It's a common misconception probably because we call it 'road tax' for short.

Invisible says...
5:23pm Sat 30 Jan 10

upontown wrote:
There's a number of points that you forgot to mention...Who pays for the paint or the people to come up with schemes?

Why don't cyclists pay Road TAX and have Insurance?

Approx £43 billion is collected from the motorist, it's about time the Cyclists put something into the Pot.

..and another thing, why are some cycle lanes wider than others? The widest one I've seen so far is going up the hill towards Corfe hills school. Why didn't they just use the path way, it's wide enough to accommodate pedestrians and Cyclists, instead I get a Cycle lane on the highway wide enough for billy bunter, I've seen small cars diving in it....
Road Tax was abolished in 1936 - which century are you living in? Cyclists do pay for the upkeep of our roads - it comes out of general and local taxation! And has it never occurred to you, that the vast of majority of we cyclists, might also just happen to be car drivers as well?

nodder1 says...
4:46pm Mon 15 Feb 10

dosent matter how many schemes cyclists ask for, how many engineers, councillors, heads of departments in the council ride a bike? they musnt do because these bits of cycle lanes that run out are useless.
go to london to see any useful cycling schemes with leadership.

nodder1 says...
4:47pm Mon 15 Feb 10

dosent matter how many schemes cyclists ask for, how many engineers, councillors, heads of departments in the council ride a bike? they musnt do because these bits of cycle lanes that run out are useless.
go to london to see any useful cycling schemes with leadership.


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