Uncovered: the cannabis factory worth £100k (From Bournemouth Echo)

Another blackening of Springbourne, Frances Road is not in Springbourne it is East Cliff, Springbourne stops at the railway line
All these new comers are trying to move the boundaries and as for 10 police a day I have not seen one wearing out shoe leather for weeks.

Well said Lord Spring!!!
Frances Road is NOT in Springbourne!!
10 officers a day....Can't recall ever seeing a copper, only PCSO's who are effective as...well nothing quite frankly.
Wonder if the flat is in the same block where they recently found crack making facilities? This block by the way is a drug rehab unit!!!!
Someone not doing a good job are they....

it did not say the bigger find was in francis rd.

The bigger find was in a family sized house in Springbourne.

The smaller one was in a flat in Frances Road.

Lord Spring wrote:
Another blackening of Springbourne, Frances Road is not in Springbourne it is East Cliff, Springbourne stops at the railway line
All these new comers are trying to move the boundaries and as for 10 police a day I have not seen one wearing out shoe leather for weeks.

Still a dump though, isn't it?

We need to stop this stupid and unwinnable war against cannabis. It is causing far more harm to our communities than it prevents. If we had a properly regulated system of production and supply we'd have no more illegal cannabis farms, instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

Doctors would be able to prescribe one of the most effective medicines that has no serious side effects at all. At the moment the government has given GW Pharmaceuticals an illegal monopoly on cannabis so they make millions out of a medicine that you can grow in your greenhouse for virtually nothing.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. Science proves how much safer it is than tobacco, alcohol, prescription medicines and all other recreational drugs. If anyone does have a problem with it they could get help without having to confess to a crime.

CLEAR published independent, expert research last year which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us about cannabis. Find out the truth for yourself and wake up to the lies you have been told.

Legalising drugs won't stop it being sold to kids nor will it stop thefts in order to fund the habit.
I have seen plenty of times, drugs being sold to kids about 9-10 years old by teenagers whoo don't care - they just want the money.

@ Don;t drop litter

I'm afraid that is simply not true, at least when it comes to cannabis. It is easier for an under 18 year old to obtain cannabis that it is for them to buy tobacco or alcohol, simply because dealers do not ask for ID. All they ask for is a £20 note, as you point out yourself.

Bearing this is mind it is clear that legalisation of cannabis would NOT make it easier for kids to obtain.

Which country in Europe has the highest rate of cannabis use in under 18s? It's us, Britain. And which country has the lowest rate? Holland.

donpost wrote:
@ Don;t drop litter

I'm afraid that is simply not true, at least when it comes to cannabis. It is easier for an under 18 year old to obtain cannabis that it is for them to buy tobacco or alcohol, simply because dealers do not ask for ID. All they ask for is a £20 note, as you point out yourself.

Bearing this is mind it is clear that legalisation of cannabis would NOT make it easier for kids to obtain.

Which country in Europe has the highest rate of cannabis use in under 18s? It's us, Britain. And which country has the lowest rate? Holland.

That's interesting. The legal age for drinking and purchasing alcohol in the USA is 21 but there are more alcoholics there than here, and even lower is France where it's the norm for children to drink wine with a meal.

All proof that prohibition doesn't work and making a substance illegal makes it all the more desirable in my opinion.

Whoever thinks legallising addictive drugs is insane.

"Nobody was at the property when officers arrived so the search has started for those involved including the “gardener” – the term used for someone who lives on a property to look after the plants."

Hmmm novel use of the word "gardener"-someone who looks after plants, as oppossed to it's more general everyday use meaning someone who looks after plants!

bogtrotter wrote:
Whoever thinks legallising addictive drugs is insane.

..... Like tobacco and alcohol?? The current prohibition is quite clearly not working. It is as uneffective as the alcohol prohibition was is th US. All that did was promote gang control over the supply of alcohol. Precisely what is happening now with the supply of 'illegal' drugs. Regards.

Mike Oxbig wrote:

Lord Spring wrote:
Another blackening of Springbourne, Frances Road is not in Springbourne it is East Cliff, Springbourne stops at the railway line
All these new comers are trying to move the boundaries and as for 10 police a day I have not seen one wearing out shoe leather for weeks.

Still a dump though, isn't it?

Better hear than the Gaza strip aka Charminster

uvox44 wrote:
"Nobody was at the property when officers arrived so the search has started for those involved including the “gardener” – the term used for someone who lives on a property to look after the plants."

Hmmm novel use of the word "gardener"-someone who looks after plants, as oppossed to it's more general everyday use meaning someone who looks after plants!

So going by this anyone who has a or is a “gardener” is now labelled without exception or otherwise as a criminal.

Dread to think what they make of people who work as:
husbandmen, Grounds Maintenance, Croppers, feeders, gleaners, grazers, growers, harvesters, hired hands, homesteader, horticulturists, planters, plowers, producers, sharecroppers, sowers, tenders, tillers, villeins

Cllr David Kelsey said “The police have said everybody is concentrating on Boscombe and as part of that people get pushed to other areas and unfortunately this is attracting a few of them to Springbourne."
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Absolutely right, but the people running Bournemouth's "drugs industry" are more likely to live in Talbot Woods or Queens Park than either Boscombe or Spingbourne as was highlighted earlier this year when the echo reported that a drug dealers Talbot Woods home was put up for sale after the dealer was jailed. But when was the last time a property in Talbot Woods was raided ?

bogtrotter wrote:
Whoever thinks legallising addictive drugs is insane.

Of course it is insane to legalize drugs, by doing it makes it appear as drugs have legal approval and therefore no harm. Just as it is with smoking and alcohol.

kayackie wrote:
Well said Lord Spring!!!
Frances Road is NOT in Springbourne!!
10 officers a day....Can't recall ever seeing a copper, only PCSO's who are effective as...well nothing quite frankly.
Wonder if the flat is in the same block where they recently found crack making facilities? This block by the way is a drug rehab unit!!!!
Someone not doing a good job are they....

If you read it closely, the house where the 100 plants were found was in Springbourne.The house in Frances Rd, only 6 were found & someone arrested.As for it being some kind of blight on Springbourne.There are PLENTY of dodgy people living in the area, so dont try & make out its a particularly respectable area.Same attitude asw certain SOUTHBOURNE residents who seem to think that that area too hasnt got its fair share of 'Ne'er Do Wells' It has.

As for 'Crack making facilities'? LOL.What do you think you need? A large room & lots of chemicals, bunsen burners & scientific gadgets? No.
A bottle of ammonia or Bicarbonate of soda,A large spoon,water a lighter/cooker & of course cocaine oh & a large sewing /darning needle.
More propaganda from the police.As for the 100 plants being worth £100,000? Another practice used by police.Overprice ANY seizure.It looks good.
Quite often the cost of carrying out raids, far outweigh the benefits.Probably around £3,500/£4000 to arrest a guy for 6 plants? Pathetic.
Its not nice having junkies hanging around an area,this is why a new approach is needed.The 'Phoney War On Drugs' is a waste of money.If it WAS SUCCESSFUL then there would be no drugs to sell.Thing is this 'War' brings in lots of money & creates jobs.Its not in certain peoples interest for this 'War' to succeed.Billions are made for all sorts of companies out of drug addiction.Where drugs have been given out in test areas,crime dropped by 90% within days.Obviously its more complicated than just handing out free heroin etc but the point is, these very successful schemes ARENT REPORTED by the media.It doesnt create the right headlines etc.
Most average people are MISINFORMED by Govt campaigns &etc.The real truth may not be palitable to the 'Moral Majority' but 'its out there' if you choose to look for it.
I'm an ex addict so I do know what its about.Addiction is here to STAY & current laws trying to prevent drugs being taken/sold etc doesnt & isnt working.Why is there not someone with a bit of authority ready to speak up & admit the policy WORLDWIDE is flawed?Someone needs to be brave....

BmthNewshound wrote:
Cllr David Kelsey said “The police have said everybody is concentrating on Boscombe and as part of that people get pushed to other areas and unfortunately this is attracting a few of them to Springbourne."
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Absolutely right, but the people running Bournemouth's "drugs industry" are more likely to live in Talbot Woods or Queens Park than either Boscombe or Spingbourne as was highlighted earlier this year when the echo reported that a drug dealers Talbot Woods home was put up for sale after the dealer was jailed. But when was the last time a property in Talbot Woods was raided ?

No point in raiding the homes of the 'big guys' because nothing would be found there. It would be interesting though to look through the bank accounts and tax records of those living in the most expensive areas, I'm sure there would be a lot of people left struggling to account for their wealth!

Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

bogtrotter wrote:
Whoever thinks legallising addictive drugs is insane.

Legalising and decriminalising are not the same thing.

There are plenty of addictive drugs that are not illegal, but they can only be obtained on prescription for those with the relevant sickness. The users are all registered and due to them being available to those requiring them there is a minimal if any black market.

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

So you are saying that if cannabis didn't exist we would have no heroin addicts?

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Cigarettes comes before cannabis, and is the ONLY drug I've had a hard time kicking

MarkDidj wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Cigarettes comes before cannabis, and is the ONLY drug I've had a hard time kicking

Agreed.

And I would have thought most heroin addicts used alcohol before cannabis anyway. You don't hear many people calling for alcohol to be banned and it could easily be argued its a more dangerous drug to society.

Pablo23 wrote:

MarkDidj wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Cigarettes comes before cannabis, and is the ONLY drug I've had a hard time kicking

Agreed.

And I would have thought most heroin addicts used alcohol before cannabis anyway. You don't hear many people calling for alcohol to be banned and it could easily be argued its a more dangerous drug to society.

Tobacco kills 100,000 people pa in the UK. Alcohol kills 30,000 pa. No deaths have ever been recorded due to cannabis./

Alcohol causes over one million hospital admissions each year. For cannabis it's 750. Even for peanut allergy the figure is 3000 yet we spend £500,000,000 every year on the criminal justice system for cannabis alone.

Meanwhile the govt has approved Sativex, a cannabis tincture for which the NHS pays 10 times what organised crime charges for cannabis.

Present policy is irrational, unscientific and causes far more harm than it prevents.

As Professor Terrie Moffit, of the Institute of Psychiatry, said in August: "cannabis is safe for over 18s"

bogtrotter wrote:
Whoever thinks legallising addictive drugs is insane.

Ok 1, cannabis isnt addictive, the tobacco people usually add in is the only real addictive drug in a joint.

2 - I think anyone who is comfy with the cannabis market controlled by CRIMINALS (who sell to who ever what ever age with no regulation) is INSANE!

You think legalization means sold in sweet shops and supermarkets? Like the two most dangerous but legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco? Nah, you got it all wrong, sold in secure adult only licensed outlets by informed professionals selling lab tested quality controlled cannabis. The only ID a dealer needs is money.

Do alittle research on alcohol prohibition, and find out how INSANE it was, and thats why they re legalized, because prohibition causes more harm than it prevents.

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Ask any alcoholic how they stated on boooze and they will tell you it was milk...

BTW £1,000 per plant. If this were any where near true the money to yield ratio would mean everybody would be at it!

A little history lesson required I feel.

"And councillor David Kelsey said he was pleased to see the area being looked at to prevent it from “being dragged down”.
“The police have said everybody is concentrating on Boscombe and as part of that people get pushed to other areas and unfortunately this is attracting a few of them to Springbourne.
“So I’m very happy that they are clamping down on the problem before it starts.”

But Councillor and others, Frances Road is most commonly referred to as being in simply Bournemouth or indeed..... Boscombe!
Springbourne is a name reclaimed from Bournemouth's past, this suburb and similarly East Cliff, faded away and both were generally termed as 'Boscombe' for many years.
This was before that word became just a little toxic and the old Springbourne name was revived. Perhaps the modern Springbourne is being expanded here for 'political' reasons to include Frances Road and avoid the dreaded 'Boscombe' term.
However whilst 'East Cliff' would be more appropriate here it has not (yet) been popularly recovered in the same way, so Boscombe or Bournemouth (only) remains the popular term.

As for clamping down on a problem before it starts, where on earth has he been for the last two decades?

Believe me there, is far more everyday Cannabis use in France ( due to North African connections).
The law here is similar to the UK, however what is generally accepted is that,"Soft drugs" create a parallel economy in under privileged inner city dumps. Many 14-25 year olds would have to turn to other types of crime, if cannabis was dealt legally.
Unless someone can come up with a social plan to get inner city European kids into the work market quicker, then just maintain the status quo. The alternative is higher crime elsewhere.

whataboutthat wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Ask any alcoholic how they stated on boooze and they will tell you it was milk...

BTW £1,000 per plant. If this were any where near true the money to yield ratio would mean everybody would be at it!

£30 for 1/8 of an ounce, 4-5 ounces yield per plant - yeah it's about right.

It's about time we let UK farmers grow and sell it (taxed) through licensed businesses. There must be £billions going into the pockets of organised criminals every year. Not to mention the massive amount we spend on trying (and for the most part failing) to police it.

Cannabis is not a gateway drug (check out the Drugscope charity's info pages if you don't believe me). Why shouldn't consenting adults be allowed to enjoy it?

The vast majority of heroin users are using it to mask the symptoms of mental illness and anguish from abuse and ptsd. The drug is not the cause of their problems - it's the only way they found they can escape the mental torment they suffer.

donpost wrote:
@ Don;t drop litter

I'm afraid that is simply not true, at least when it comes to cannabis. It is easier for an under 18 year old to obtain cannabis that it is for them to buy tobacco or alcohol, simply because dealers do not ask for ID. All they ask for is a £20 note, as you point out yourself.

Bearing this is mind it is clear that legalisation of cannabis would NOT make it easier for kids to obtain.

Which country in Europe has the highest rate of cannabis use in under 18s? It's us, Britain. And which country has the lowest rate? Holland.

The kids will just continue to buy drugs from unscrupulous people who are willing to sell it to them.
The only way to stop that is to keep it illegal and punish the people who do it -PROPERLY.
If you legalise drugs, as alcohol, before long we will be living in a nation of stoners as well as alcoholics. Is that really a good thing? NO.

l'anglais wrote:
Believe me there, is far more everyday Cannabis use in France ( due to North African connections).
The law here is similar to the UK, however what is generally accepted is that,"Soft drugs" create a parallel economy in under privileged inner city dumps. Many 14-25 year olds would have to turn to other types of crime, if cannabis was dealt legally.
Unless someone can come up with a social plan to get inner city European kids into the work market quicker, then just maintain the status quo. The alternative is higher crime elsewhere.

If the inner city kids wern't stoners and were doing better at school, they might be worthy of having a job.

Dont drop litter wrote:

donpost wrote:
@ Don;t drop litter

I'm afraid that is simply not true, at least when it comes to cannabis. It is easier for an under 18 year old to obtain cannabis that it is for them to buy tobacco or alcohol, simply because dealers do not ask for ID. All they ask for is a £20 note, as you point out yourself.

Bearing this is mind it is clear that legalisation of cannabis would NOT make it easier for kids to obtain.

Which country in Europe has the highest rate of cannabis use in under 18s? It's us, Britain. And which country has the lowest rate? Holland.

The kids will just continue to buy drugs from unscrupulous people who are willing to sell it to them.
The only way to stop that is to keep it illegal and punish the people who do it -PROPERLY.
If you legalise drugs, as alcohol, before long we will be living in a nation of stoners as well as alcoholics. Is that really a good thing? NO.

Please try and use some common sense and learn from history.

Alcohol prohibition was eventually stopped in 1933 precisely because it was recognised that it was doing more harm than good. Prohibition of something for which there is a huge demand is immoral, particularly in the case of cannabis when far more dangerous and harmful drugs are legally available on every street corner.

When cannabis is legally regulated (which is inevitable, thank God), there won't be any need or market for street dealers or at least they will be massively reduced.

Alcohol prohibition ended with campaign to "think of the children". We need to do the same thing with cannabis now,.

Criminals are devious and cunning types and anyone who thinks that dealers will just go away if it was decriminalised is an idiot.
If a person can buy legalised cannabis of monitored potency, dealers will come up with some turbo charged version and try and sell it, they will either undercut the legal market or create a profitable alternative.
If under 18's can't but cannabis legally, criminals will supply them one way or another.
Criminals have diversified from ecstasy and amphetamine, to selling "legal highs" as well, heroin dealers also supply crack cocaine and any other drug the market demands. Criminals are not suddenly going to get a job and cease being involved in crime.
I would also want to see the police have more powers to demand blood or urine samples from motorists to try and ban as many of these doped up halfwits from driving as possible.

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Bull, Cannabis isnt the gate way drug, its the dealers who are the gateway. Ask any heroine addict and they probably started off with alcohol and tobacco. If cannabis itself was a gateway, why does Holland have the lowest hard drug use in Europe?

Clunge wrote:
Criminals are devious and cunning types and anyone who thinks that dealers will just go away if it was decriminalised is an idiot.
If a person can buy legalised cannabis of monitored potency, dealers will come up with some turbo charged version and try and sell it, they will either undercut the legal market or create a profitable alternative.
If under 18's can't but cannabis legally, criminals will supply them one way or another.
Criminals have diversified from ecstasy and amphetamine, to selling "legal highs" as well, heroin dealers also supply crack cocaine and any other drug the market demands. Criminals are not suddenly going to get a job and cease being involved in crime.
I would also want to see the police have more powers to demand blood or urine samples from motorists to try and ban as many of these doped up halfwits from driving as possible.

Funny, i thought the whole point of a drugs policy was harm reduction...yet you want to continue with this prohibition experiment which gifts the market to criminals and jails non problematic users. Sounds like it causes much more harm than it prevents. Also, anyone who thinks LEGAL regulation wouldnt work is ignorant, and afraid of change. In countries that legally regulate cannabis, use goes down and age of first use goes up. Associated crimes decrease vastly. Its like alcohol prohibition, when they re legalized did it stop 100% of moonshiners brewing at home? No, but it was no where near the scale it was when prohibited. Did it stop 100% of kids obtaining alcohol, no, but t was no where near the scale it was when prohibited. The current policy has nothing to do with harm reduction. In fact quite the opposite.

Tachikoma wrote:

uvox44 wrote:
"Nobody was at the property when officers arrived so the search has started for those involved including the “gardener” – the term used for someone who lives on a property to look after the plants."

Hmmm novel use of the word "gardener"-someone who looks after plants, as oppossed to it's more general everyday use meaning someone who looks after plants!

So going by this anyone who has a or is a “gardener” is now labelled without exception or otherwise as a criminal.

Dread to think what they make of people who work as:
husbandmen, Grounds Maintenance, Croppers, feeders, gleaners, grazers, growers, harvesters, hired hands, homesteader, horticulturists, planters, plowers, producers, sharecroppers, sowers, tenders, tillers, villeins

If agenda 21 gets a strong foothold in the UK then it is very possible that gardening of any kind will be made illegal. It's not just laws coming from the EU that we have to worry about. Although they act as a suitable smokescreen to what we are copying from America.

SuperSilverSourDiese
l wrote:

Clunge wrote:
Criminals are devious and cunning types and anyone who thinks that dealers will just go away if it was decriminalised is an idiot.
If a person can buy legalised cannabis of monitored potency, dealers will come up with some turbo charged version and try and sell it, they will either undercut the legal market or create a profitable alternative.
If under 18's can't but cannabis legally, criminals will supply them one way or another.
Criminals have diversified from ecstasy and amphetamine, to selling "legal highs" as well, heroin dealers also supply crack cocaine and any other drug the market demands. Criminals are not suddenly going to get a job and cease being involved in crime.
I would also want to see the police have more powers to demand blood or urine samples from motorists to try and ban as many of these doped up halfwits from driving as possible.

Funny, i thought the whole point of a drugs policy was harm reduction...yet you want to continue with this prohibition experiment which gifts the market to criminals and jails non problematic users. Sounds like it causes much more harm than it prevents. Also, anyone who thinks LEGAL regulation wouldnt work is ignorant, and afraid of change. In countries that legally regulate cannabis, use goes down and age of first use goes up. Associated crimes decrease vastly. Its like alcohol prohibition, when they re legalized did it stop 100% of moonshiners brewing at home? No, but it was no where near the scale it was when prohibited. Did it stop 100% of kids obtaining alcohol, no, but t was no where near the scale it was when prohibited. The current policy has nothing to do with harm reduction. In fact quite the opposite.

So there is a meaningful point in comparing moonshiners and prohibition some 90 years ago in a different country? I don't think so. Seven years ago we had de-regulation of licensing hours, it was supposed to lead to a maturity in drinking habits, instead it has led to teens pre -loading with spirits, going out at midnight and getting hammered until the early hours. There is a cultural problem where people will take everything to excess given half the opportunity. Yet some think it wouldn't lead to more problems if every 18 year old could walk into Boots and buy a pack of cannabis cigarettes, sit around getting stoned, then booze on top of it, then try and hold down a job, drive a car/ride a moped? Even in Amsterdam, it is strictly regulated in a small zone, but the place is full of dealers pushing harder drugs, and crime gangs running prostitution rackets, to such a point that the authorities are trying to now restrict cannabis use. Far from being harmless, it would lead to more lifeless, un-motivated, lazy dope heads, sitting on their back sides rather than doing anything meaningful with their lives.

Clunge wrote:

SuperSilverSourDiese

l wrote:

Clunge wrote:
Criminals are devious and cunning types and anyone who thinks that dealers will just go away if it was decriminalised is an idiot.
If a person can buy legalised cannabis of monitored potency, dealers will come up with some turbo charged version and try and sell it, they will either undercut the legal market or create a profitable alternative.
If under 18's can't but cannabis legally, criminals will supply them one way or another.
Criminals have diversified from ecstasy and amphetamine, to selling "legal highs" as well, heroin dealers also supply crack cocaine and any other drug the market demands. Criminals are not suddenly going to get a job and cease being involved in crime.
I would also want to see the police have more powers to demand blood or urine samples from motorists to try and ban as many of these doped up halfwits from driving as possible.

Funny, i thought the whole point of a drugs policy was harm reduction...yet you want to continue with this prohibition experiment which gifts the market to criminals and jails non problematic users. Sounds like it causes much more harm than it prevents. Also, anyone who thinks LEGAL regulation wouldnt work is ignorant, and afraid of change. In countries that legally regulate cannabis, use goes down and age of first use goes up. Associated crimes decrease vastly. Its like alcohol prohibition, when they re legalized did it stop 100% of moonshiners brewing at home? No, but it was no where near the scale it was when prohibited. Did it stop 100% of kids obtaining alcohol, no, but t was no where near the scale it was when prohibited. The current policy has nothing to do with harm reduction. In fact quite the opposite.

So there is a meaningful point in comparing moonshiners and prohibition some 90 years ago in a different country? I don't think so. Seven years ago we had de-regulation of licensing hours, it was supposed to lead to a maturity in drinking habits, instead it has led to teens pre -loading with spirits, going out at midnight and getting hammered until the early hours. There is a cultural problem where people will take everything to excess given half the opportunity. Yet some think it wouldn't lead to more problems if every 18 year old could walk into Boots and buy a pack of cannabis cigarettes, sit around getting stoned, then booze on top of it, then try and hold down a job, drive a car/ride a moped? Even in Amsterdam, it is strictly regulated in a small zone, but the place is full of dealers pushing harder drugs, and crime gangs running prostitution rackets, to such a point that the authorities are trying to now restrict cannabis use. Far from being harmless, it would lead to more lifeless, un-motivated, lazy dope heads, sitting on their back sides rather than doing anything meaningful with their lives.

''meaningful point in comparing moonshiners and prohibition some 90 years ago in a different country?''

Time and location are irrelevant, it the lesson we should have learnt. Prohibition DOES NOT WORK.

''Yet some think it wouldn't lead to more problems if every 18 year old could walk into Boots and buy a pack of cannabis cigarettes, sit around getting stoned, then booze on top of it, then try and hold down a job, drive a car/ride a moped?''

What have you been injecting? Sold in boots? LOL Wow. You think cannabis will be sold in boots haha. To be honest, cannabis is available to everyone, and it always will, as it has been for 10,000 years. The difference is i would rather see a professional control it, than a criminal. In countries that regulate cannabis, associated crimes drop dramatically and youngsters find it harder to obtain. Oh, we have laws for drunk/driving already, didnt you know?

''Even in Amsterdam, it is strictly regulated in a small zone, but the place is full of dealers pushing harder drugs, and crime gangs running prostitution rackets, to such a point that the authorities are trying to now restrict cannabis use.''

It seems you obviously have no clue, the reason why Holland has the lowest hard drug use in Europe, is because coffee shops regulate cannabis, not criminals. Trying to link a connection between cannabis use and crime is pathetic. Trying to restrict us? For tourists which recent news has shown us they are going to do a U-turn on that one. guess what, more people use cannabis and hard drugs in the UK, than in holland. In Holland, the first age of cannabis use is around 20, in the UK its 15, but your okay with the way things are now?

''Far from being harmless, it would lead to more lifeless, un-motivated, lazy dope heads, sitting on their back sides rather than doing anything meaningful with their lives.''

Once again, cannabis is not harmless true, but it is safer than aspirin, let alone alcohol and tobacco. It sounds like you have a prejudice against people you dont really know, and get all your information from the daily mail.
If i was you i would get clued up n fast. Cannabis is a medicine much safer and more effective that the ones in your pharmacy. Kids find cannabis easier to obtain, criminals are getting richer thanks to PROHIBITION which is undoubtedly causing more harm than it prevents. Sorry I dislike drug dealers and children using drugs or becoming enticed by gangsterism, so i say NO to prohibition and NOW to legal regulation.

I guess someone 'grassed' them up!

Amazing really a house gets raided in my road in canford cliffs growing cannabis plants a few months ago and absolutely nothing reported in the echo

Lodge member probably.

Very likely i would say although turns out he was renting the property and and well known to the police !

I'm glad the law keeps drugs from the population. Imagine everyone going around able to get drugs at every chemist. no thanks - the streets would be full of nutters...... Drugs are fun when you want to try something new when ur a teenager but most sensible people grow out of them. in the long term drugs are for losers so government is never going to listen to the legalise drugs campaign.

What you fail to grasp supersilversourdiese
l is that you can't undo the present situation. The fact that it is already available, that there are an endless supply of vietnamese run gardeners set up in suburbia amongst other suppliers is the main problem. Decriminalising will have no effect other than say to a new set of users that it is ok, take away the legal sanction and punishment and it becomes just something else that is socially acceptable, the use will increase, and the dealers will sell more and more exotic brands and strengths.
How else would it be regulated and sold if not through a licensed pharmacy like Boots? Would you prefer the licences to be granted to the King bongs of this world?
Which countries regulate cannabis? and evidence the fact that the link between hard drugs is different across them please? I don't believe you can make direct comparisons between countries as different cultures, education systems, parental factors all take effect. Dutch kids are not known for their uncontrolled binge drinking as are british kids. My point is that an experiment with deregulation could have entirely different outcomes here, than in holland, or Australia, or any other county.
I do have a prejudice against cannabis users, through life experience. The Jeremy Kyle chav generation, lots of cannabis use goes into creating that dead behind the eyes look, lack of any ambition and all round idleness. As for a safe medicine, for every "expert" who says it's safe I can find an expert who will say it causes mental illness, particularly in the brains of teens. In my view all possession should lead to a court appearance, fine and long community service at the very minimum, and I would stamp "drug conviction" on passports and driving licences of those convicted and make it simply not worth the risk and inconvenience to use it and get caught. Just my opinion, it is illegal for some very good reasons.

Clunge wrote:
What you fail to grasp supersilversourdiese

l is that you can't undo the present situation. The fact that it is already available, that there are an endless supply of vietnamese run gardeners set up in suburbia amongst other suppliers is the main problem. Decriminalising will have no effect other than say to a new set of users that it is ok, take away the legal sanction and punishment and it becomes just something else that is socially acceptable, the use will increase, and the dealers will sell more and more exotic brands and strengths.
How else would it be regulated and sold if not through a licensed pharmacy like Boots? Would you prefer the licences to be granted to the King bongs of this world?
Which countries regulate cannabis? and evidence the fact that the link between hard drugs is different across them please? I don't believe you can make direct comparisons between countries as different cultures, education systems, parental factors all take effect. Dutch kids are not known for their uncontrolled binge drinking as are british kids. My point is that an experiment with deregulation could have entirely different outcomes here, than in holland, or Australia, or any other county.
I do have a prejudice against cannabis users, through life experience. The Jeremy Kyle chav generation, lots of cannabis use goes into creating that dead behind the eyes look, lack of any ambition and all round idleness. As for a safe medicine, for every "expert" who says it's safe I can find an expert who will say it causes mental illness, particularly in the brains of teens. In my view all possession should lead to a court appearance, fine and long community service at the very minimum, and I would stamp "drug conviction" on passports and driving licences of those convicted and make it simply not worth the risk and inconvenience to use it and get caught. Just my opinion, it is illegal for some very good reasons.

There is not a single good reason why "it is illegal" Clunge and all you've demonstrated is the ignorance and prejudice that's really behind it. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

How about some evidence? Who and where are these experts that say it causes mental illness? Quote me just one.

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

Very scientific. There is no correlation. Might as well look at the link between cannabis and rapists murders and paedophiles. Or even worse politicians. Didn't David Cameron smoke a few joints when he was younger, case proved then!!

Dont drop litter wrote:
Legalising drugs won't stop it being sold to kids nor will it stop thefts in order to fund the habit.
I have seen plenty of times, drugs being sold to kids about 9-10 years old by teenagers whoo don't care - they just want the money.

Shame on you then for not phoning the police & getting these people nicked.

I must say, having been into drugs in the past for around 20yrs I NEVER once experienced 'dealers' selling to 9 or 10 year olds.
I suspect you're one of those 'sheeple' who believe a sensationalised isolated case, means its happening everywhere?
As for legalising.Its the ONLY WAY FORWARD.Are the present laws & 'Phoney War On Drugs' working? No.

BournemouthMum wrote:

donpost wrote:
@ Don;t drop litter

I'm afraid that is simply not true, at least when it comes to cannabis. It is easier for an under 18 year old to obtain cannabis that it is for them to buy tobacco or alcohol, simply because dealers do not ask for ID. All they ask for is a £20 note, as you point out yourself.

Bearing this is mind it is clear that legalisation of cannabis would NOT make it easier for kids to obtain.

Which country in Europe has the highest rate of cannabis use in under 18s? It's us, Britain. And which country has the lowest rate? Holland.

That's interesting. The legal age for drinking and purchasing alcohol in the USA is 21 but there are more alcoholics there than here, and even lower is France where it's the norm for children to drink wine with a meal.

All proof that prohibition doesn't work and making a substance illegal makes it all the more desirable in my opinion.

Do you realise the size of USA population? Its around 3 times UK population so I would suspect thats why there are more alcoholics.
As you mention alcohol.During PROHIBITION in USA, those drinking actually INCREASED! It blows the 'make things illegal' out of the water.

J Edgar Hoover should take most of the blame for the hysteria surrounding drugs, especially marijuana, & the mis informatyionthats been given by Govt ever since.Oh musnt forget Du Pont either.By product of marijuana/hemp is strong versatile fibres, that are cheap & very useful.Threatened by this Du Pont lobbied Govt to make ALL drugs illegal thus protecting its new profitable MAN MADE invention NYLON.
The reasons for the 'Phoney War' are many & complex most people havent a clue,only fed MIS INFORMATION.

Mike Oxbig wrote:

bogtrotter wrote:
Whoever thinks legallising addictive drugs is insane.

..... Like tobacco and alcohol?? The current prohibition is quite clearly not working. It is as uneffective as the alcohol prohibition was is th US. All that did was promote gang control over the supply of alcohol. Precisely what is happening now with the supply of 'illegal' drugs. Regards.

Exactly.

Great to see there are people who understand & see the flaws in making drugs illegal.It clearly doesnt work.Thing is this 'War On Drugs' really doesnt work.The Govt know this, but the economy built around drugs being illegal is worth billions.Lots of jobs & lots of money being made by current legislation.
Just look at the money that Methadone brings in for Martindale Pharmaceutical?

Babs Stanley wrote:

Clunge wrote:
What you fail to grasp supersilversourdiese


l is that you can't undo the present situation. The fact that it is already available, that there are an endless supply of vietnamese run gardeners set up in suburbia amongst other suppliers is the main problem. Decriminalising will have no effect other than say to a new set of users that it is ok, take away the legal sanction and punishment and it becomes just something else that is socially acceptable, the use will increase, and the dealers will sell more and more exotic brands and strengths.
How else would it be regulated and sold if not through a licensed pharmacy like Boots? Would you prefer the licences to be granted to the King bongs of this world?
Which countries regulate cannabis? and evidence the fact that the link between hard drugs is different across them please? I don't believe you can make direct comparisons between countries as different cultures, education systems, parental factors all take effect. Dutch kids are not known for their uncontrolled binge drinking as are british kids. My point is that an experiment with deregulation could have entirely different outcomes here, than in holland, or Australia, or any other county.
I do have a prejudice against cannabis users, through life experience. The Jeremy Kyle chav generation, lots of cannabis use goes into creating that dead behind the eyes look, lack of any ambition and all round idleness. As for a safe medicine, for every "expert" who says it's safe I can find an expert who will say it causes mental illness, particularly in the brains of teens. In my view all possession should lead to a court appearance, fine and long community service at the very minimum, and I would stamp "drug conviction" on passports and driving licences of those convicted and make it simply not worth the risk and inconvenience to use it and get caught. Just my opinion, it is illegal for some very good reasons.

There is not a single good reason why "it is illegal" Clunge and all you've demonstrated is the ignorance and prejudice that's really behind it. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

How about some evidence? Who and where are these experts that say it causes mental illness? Quote me just one.

Well Babs, you can have the view of our own NHS,http://www.nhs.u
k/Livewell/drugs/Pag
es/Cannabisdangers.a
spx
or you could consider this group quite informed, http://www.rcpsych.a
c.uk/mentalhealthinf
o/problems/alcoholan
ddrugs/cannabis.aspx

If the official NHS or Royal College of Pshchiatrists pages are not enough, if you can focus on the keyboard google Cannabis + mental health there are over 5million pages where I can pluck the names of various scientists and their organisations who have carried out studies that suggest cannabis can be linked to mental health problems. But hey, Babs knows best, yeah man, just chill out. I am prejudice, people who possess cannabis and dealers are criminals.

Wageslave wrote:
Ask any heroine addict how they started on drugs and they will tell you it was with cannabis

I didnt.I was on heroin for around 12 years.First drug I took was ALCOHOL.
Love to know where you get your sweeping info from?

Clunge wrote:

Babs Stanley wrote:

Clunge wrote:
What you fail to grasp supersilversourdiese



l is that you can't undo the present situation. The fact that it is already available, that there are an endless supply of vietnamese run gardeners set up in suburbia amongst other suppliers is the main problem. Decriminalising will have no effect other than say to a new set of users that it is ok, take away the legal sanction and punishment and it becomes just something else that is socially acceptable, the use will increase, and the dealers will sell more and more exotic brands and strengths.
How else would it be regulated and sold if not through a licensed pharmacy like Boots? Would you prefer the licences to be granted to the King bongs of this world?
Which countries regulate cannabis? and evidence the fact that the link between hard drugs is different across them please? I don't believe you can make direct comparisons between countries as different cultures, education systems, parental factors all take effect. Dutch kids are not known for their uncontrolled binge drinking as are british kids. My point is that an experiment with deregulation could have entirely different outcomes here, than in holland, or Australia, or any other county.
I do have a prejudice against cannabis users, through life experience. The Jeremy Kyle chav generation, lots of cannabis use goes into creating that dead behind the eyes look, lack of any ambition and all round idleness. As for a safe medicine, for every "expert" who says it's safe I can find an expert who will say it causes mental illness, particularly in the brains of teens. In my view all possession should lead to a court appearance, fine and long community service at the very minimum, and I would stamp "drug conviction" on passports and driving licences of those convicted and make it simply not worth the risk and inconvenience to use it and get caught. Just my opinion, it is illegal for some very good reasons.

There is not a single good reason why "it is illegal" Clunge and all you've demonstrated is the ignorance and prejudice that's really behind it. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

How about some evidence? Who and where are these experts that say it causes mental illness? Quote me just one.

Well Babs, you can have the view of our own NHS,http://www.nhs.u

k/Livewell/drugs/Pag

es/Cannabisdangers.a

spx
or you could consider this group quite informed, http://www.rcpsych.a

c.uk/mentalhealthinf

o/problems/alcoholan

ddrugs/cannabis.aspx


If the official NHS or Royal College of Pshchiatrists pages are not enough, if you can focus on the keyboard google Cannabis + mental health there are over 5million pages where I can pluck the names of various scientists and their organisations who have carried out studies that suggest cannabis can be linked to mental health problems. But hey, Babs knows best, yeah man, just chill out. I am prejudice, people who possess cannabis and dealers are criminals.

Yes but these DO NOT say that cannabis causes mental illness.

Certainly it increases the risk but do you really need a scientist to tell you that?

What the scientists will tell you is that risk is tiny:Hickman et al, 2009. A review of all published research so, by definition­, not cherry picked. It shows that the risk of lifetime cannabis use correlatin­g with a single diagnosis of psychosis is at worst 0.013% and probably less than 0.003%.

Also, in August, Professor Terrie Moffitt of the Institute of Psychiatry, Kings College London said "cannabis is safe for over 18s"

So why do you keep believing the Daily Mail?

http://www.thenorthe
rnecho.co.uk/news/98
69405.Routine_vehicl
e_stop_leads_to_cann
abis_plant_haul/

So do you search any national cannabis story to cut and paste the same pro cannabis viewpoints county by county Babs?

http://www.guardian-
series.co.uk/news/99
72381.WALTHAMSTOW__6
00_cannabis_plants_s
eized_in_raid/

http://www.warringto
nguardian.co.uk/news
/pload/9951031.Sunbe
d_boss_who_used___65
0k_home_as_cannabis_
farm_must_pay_back__
_7_500/?ref=rss

It seems the Government aren't convinced, the NHS, College of Psychiatrists etc are not convinced, nor the 58,000,000 who don't feel the need to take cannabis, and don't see the need for it to be legalised. Fortunately dope heads are still in the minority

kayackie wrote:
Well said Lord Spring!!!
Frances Road is NOT in Springbourne!!
10 officers a day....Can't recall ever seeing a copper, only PCSO's who are effective as...well nothing quite frankly.
Wonder if the flat is in the same block where they recently found crack making facilities? This block by the way is a drug rehab unit!!!!
Someone not doing a good job are they....

I recall the so called crack making facillities and they werent in frances road so if your tarding the whole of bournemouth with the same brush your gonna upset a lot of people, people can only be helped to deal with their addiction if they want the help so whats it got to do with a rehab centre!!!!
Also most of us having cleaning chemiclas in our house and a lot of these can be used to make certain drugs so does that make us all 'addicts making crack'? maybe instead of critising and pointing blame we should help those less unfortunate than ourselves!!!

Springbournes a dump ??? I think some of you need to get in the real world ! it would be a nice area in most towns/citys .

BH1 loyal wrote:
Springbournes a dump ??? I think some of you need to get in the real world ! it would be a nice area in most towns/citys .

Here here everyone is always so negative

All of our suburbs are suffering from the '' Boscombe Malaise''
Benefits/Drugs/Drink Culture
exacerbated by the out of control
servicing rehabs and hmos many of
the underclass in Boscombe live in
and hide except for Benefit Day -
Boscombe should be isolated and intense concentration of services
and manpower thrown at it for a longtime for the benefit of all
Bournemouth residents - Frances Road is Eastcliff and not Springbourne
We are all suburbs of Bournemouth
there is absolutely nothing wrong
in protecting the identity of the area
you live there is nothing wrong in trying
to protect your environment and take pride in the area you live - its great news that residents of Springbourne feel this way -
Springbourne is the oldest village/suburb in Bournemouth has a rich history the general population of residents living in the area for many years, victorian cottages, edwardian houses wonderful library, parks, the oldest pub in Bournemouth the Cricketers, Homewatches,Forums,
soon to be Allotments and much much more
Yes residents of Springbourne do take
offence do not want to be associated
with the Drugs problem in Bournemouth
and we will protest whenever we are
adversely mentioned in the local press

Benniestewart wrote:
All of our suburbs are suffering from the '' Boscombe Malaise''
Benefits/Drugs/Drink Culture
exacerbated by the out of control
servicing rehabs and hmos many of
the underclass in Boscombe live in
and hide except for Benefit Day -
Boscombe should be isolated and intense concentration of services
and manpower thrown at it for a longtime for the benefit of all
Bournemouth residents - Frances Road is Eastcliff and not Springbourne
We are all suburbs of Bournemouth
there is absolutely nothing wrong
in protecting the identity of the area
you live there is nothing wrong in trying
to protect your environment and take pride in the area you live - its great news that residents of Springbourne feel this way -
Springbourne is the oldest village/suburb in Bournemouth has a rich history the general population of residents living in the area for many years, victorian cottages, edwardian houses wonderful library, parks, the oldest pub in Bournemouth the Cricketers, Homewatches,Forums,
soon to be Allotments and much much more
Yes residents of Springbourne do take
offence do not want to be associated
with the Drugs problem in Bournemouth
and we will protest whenever we are
adversely mentioned in the local press

Know of plenty of dodgy people who own homes in Springbourne.

Bournemouths full of Victorian house,Edwardian houses.

There are a better class of addict in Springbourne much the same 'tale' to be told in leafy Southbourne.

Worried about property prices are we?
Oh lets not forget one of the most famous SPRINGBOURNE bussinesss has helped CAUSE the problems with their crappy HMOs. Oh.Funnily enough.Springbournes such a great area the said owner of the bussiness MOVED years ago,to a better area!lol

Watch out steve,you must not upset mastermind bennie.

pete woodley wrote:
Watch out steve,you must not upset mastermind bennie.

Rather ironic that one of those responsible for housing all the so called 'Benefit/Drink/Drug addicts' that poor old Bennie moans about,started off in a dodgy car lot in Windham Rd (Springbourne) & after selling said car lot, enabled him to buy more & more run down properties,give them a coat of 'Sunshine Yellow' paint & then fill them with ANYONE who could fill out a form to get a months deposit & rent in advance,thus being one of the main contributors to the current over population of Boscombe, with people with all sorts of problems.

When it comes down to it in the end a lot of people see Springbourne as part of Boscome.Political & Borough Boundaries dont come into it.If its within 10 minutes walk of Walpole Rd, most class it as Boscombe! But as I said, Springbourne has a better class of Junkie/Drop outs!lol