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Sandacres pub in Sandbanks to become a Tesco Express (From Bournemouth Echo)
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Sandacres pub in Sandbanks to become a Tesco Express
10:21am Friday 28th September 2012 in News
TIME CALLED: The Sandacres pub on Banks Road, in Sandbanks
THE last pub on the Sandbanks peninsula has closed down and is to re-open as a Tesco Express store.
After speculation about the future of the Sandacres pub on Banks Road, which shut its doors recently, Tesco has confirmed it has signed contracts to lease the ground floor.
Residents were being told in a letter that the vacant former pub has been acquired by the supermarket giant, which will be creating 20 local jobs.
Melanie Chiswell, the community liaison manager for Tesco said: “It’s a local shop for local people.”
She said: “We don’t require planning permission because pubs can be converted to shops without planning permission under permitted development rights.
“In my experience lots of people welcome Tesco Express stores because they regenerate buildings no longer in use, such as closed down pubs.
“We don’t have to knock the building down, can return some of its nice original features and improve the look of it.”
However Ken Sanson, chairman of the Sandbanks Association, expressed surprise and apprehension about the move.
“Once you come on to the peninsula, not every property is fully active. The main problem, of course, is the traffic for deliveries to stock the place. It will cause traffic problems in an area that is already affected by traffic problems.”
Cllr Bruce Grant-Braham, chairman of Poole Tourism Partnership, pictured inset, said: “It’s a pity. From the tourist point of view, it’s the ideal place to have a drink when you are approaching or leaving the beach.
“When I was a councillor for the area, there were very few residents living on Sandbanks and in the immediate vicinity. An awful lot of the properties are holiday or second homes and for much of the year they remain unoccupied.”
A popular venue on its Tuesday quiz nights, the pub across the road from the sea also attracted windsurfers and kitesurfers from Whitley Bay as well as holidaymakers and locals.
Tesco Express stores hours are usually from 6-7am to 10-11pm and it will have three to five deliveries a day. “Most of our customers walk,” said Ms Chiswell.
“They mostly come from within 1km.” However there will be some parking in the former pub’s car park.
Comments(120)
Roband65
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10:32am Fri 28 Sep 12
Humf
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10:35am Fri 28 Sep 12
And the League of Gentlemen comment from the community liaison manager “It’s a local shop for local people.” - hilarious.
HRH of Boscombe
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10:39am Fri 28 Sep 12
Couchy125
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11:21am Fri 28 Sep 12
sollie
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11:36am Fri 28 Sep 12
Brit76
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11:47am Fri 28 Sep 12
The real reason for your disapproval is down to snobbery and the fact that a Tesco store is not up market enough for the folk of Sandbanks.
Winstonchilled
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11:52am Fri 28 Sep 12
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Couchy125
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11:59am Fri 28 Sep 12
sollie wrote:Do you mean REDKNAPP.
Creating 20 jobs - does that mean we will see Harry Rednap on the tills!
giveusthefacts
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12:02pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Lord Spring
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12:04pm Fri 28 Sep 12
sollie wrote:And Richard Carr as a greeter, Dave Wells stacking shelves.
Creating 20 jobs - does that mean we will see Harry Rednap on the tills!
grazzer
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12:08pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Graham Cribb
Justin666
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12:09pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Wardy72
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12:11pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Couchy125
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12:13pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Wardy72 wrote:Oh for gods sake have a wash. I would have chosen ALDI myself.
Absolutely appalling. Whoever let that happen needs there head examining. How many Tesco stores do we need in the same vicinity? Just goes to show greed is the only agenda for the councils in this area.
Justin666
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12:18pm Fri 28 Sep 12
boblister
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12:20pm Fri 28 Sep 12
It was bad enough losing the Beehive Pub at Lilliput, for an old peoples dwelling.
This is the last straw, it is an appalling decision. What about the new Localism Act don't we have a say??
Mike Oxbig
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12:24pm Fri 28 Sep 12
grazzer wrote:What about the Beehive??
pubs are closing at an alarming rate and the fact that closed pubs can be turned into more Tesco Expresses without planning permission is a key factor in their demise.This will mean that there is now know proper pub in the area which means nowhere to go unless you are a footballer or estate agent-an absolute disgrace
Graham Cribb
Mike Oxbig
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12:26pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Mike Oxbig wrote:I mean the Nightjar!
grazzer wrote:What about the Beehive??
pubs are closing at an alarming rate and the fact that closed pubs can be turned into more Tesco Expresses without planning permission is a key factor in their demise.This will mean that there is now know proper pub in the area which means nowhere to go unless you are a footballer or estate agent-an absolute disgrace
Graham Cribb
Couchy125
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12:26pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Justin666 wrote:You know it makes sense.
Couchy, you are quite right of course. Aldi would be far more appropriate for the local residents who may have difficulty in affording up market Tesco.
chiefwolf2
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12:28pm Fri 28 Sep 12
wonderway
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12:29pm Fri 28 Sep 12
boblister wrote:yea ask the whale EricPickles while he stuffs a prawn baguette in his mouth (sideways)
With a Tesco Express less than a mile away at Lilliput did we really need another shop!!
It was bad enough losing the Beehive Pub at Lilliput, for an old peoples dwelling.
This is the last straw, it is an appalling decision. What about the new Localism Act don't we have a say??
Adrian XX
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12:31pm Fri 28 Sep 12
giveusthefacts wrote:Yes, you are right. She was the rudest landlady (and actually the owner too as far as I know) on earth and had zero customer-facing skills. Luckily she wasn't there all the time.
I am surprised the Sandacres lasted as long as it did. I use to frequent it on a regular basis. Unfortunately the landlady would only make an appearance at the end of the evening and became ruder and ruder. The last straw came when she bellowed across the pub that she had told us to drink up,so could we leave. I told her what I thought of her customer skills and did not frequent the place again. It's a shame because it could have been a great venue especially in the summer.
The Sandacres was not a bad place when she wasn't there serving some decent real ale and cheap food too. Her bad reputation spread and many people just didn't go there because of it. Had she sold the pub on to someone who could run it without the rudeness then it would have made a lot more money.
I doubt 20 *net* jobs will be created. The Sandacres employed a few people too remember.
dylan0202
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12:37pm Fri 28 Sep 12
giveusthefacts wrote:ha yes i seem to remember the rather obnoxious landlady - think she was half cut most of the time !!
I am surprised the Sandacres lasted as long as it did. I use to frequent it on a regular basis. Unfortunately the landlady would only make an appearance at the end of the evening and became ruder and ruder. The last straw came when she bellowed across the pub that she had told us to drink up,so could we leave. I told her what I thought of her customer skills and did not frequent the place again. It's a shame because it could have been a great venue especially in the summer.
however real shame about it closing i reckon, hadnt been there in recent times - but i was a good spot and seemed to attract normal people - unlike the false/pretentious/wa
nna be s that you find in Cafe Shore .. oh and the pool tables were fab . why oh why someone feels there is a need for another Tesco's is beyond me ..
harrythered
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12:38pm Fri 28 Sep 12
dylan0202
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12:39pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Justin666 wrote:i m not sure that by putting a Tesco s in is upgrading anything !! a few grand spent on the nightjar would have made a vast difference tho i admit
Upgrading Sandbanks at last.
dylan0202
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12:41pm Fri 28 Sep 12
bosco1
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12:48pm Fri 28 Sep 12
rockstar03
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12:51pm Fri 28 Sep 12
the boxer
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12:52pm Fri 28 Sep 12
chiefwolf2 wrote:It was not the publics fault the pub failed, it was clearly the landlady and her “side-kick” who made no effort at all with the place. They were so rude and hostile to the customers, its no surprise most never returned. It strangely got busy when the “side-kick” left, but the damage had been done. The apathy they showed was extraordinary. It goes to show when you have an empty pub overlooking the harbour. They missed so many opportunities such as baby change and high chairs to encourage families, they could have done pizza take outs, no end of things. They deserved to fail.
blame the public who didn't use the pub.... and blame the public for using stores like this... they wouldn't build them if people didn't use them.... It is society and the consumerism culture that we have to blame for these stores popping up everywhere.......
B.F.G
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12:55pm Fri 28 Sep 12
harrythered
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12:55pm Fri 28 Sep 12
rockstar03 wrote:Ferndown - upper class? Nearly choked on me beer with laughter. Anyway KFC got planning for everything they wanted apart from a Col Sanders mega sign. How many take aways is that now - must be about 10.
Another example of the "not in my back yard" culture of the pretentious areas surrounding Poole and Bournemouth. See the local residents association have stuck their noses in... Don't worry I'm sure we can all wipe our feet as we leave the store..don't want to soil your holy peninsular .....anyone know how KFC are getting on with the drive through in the upper class Ferndown district? Have the residents association won the day there?
Adrian XX
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12:56pm Fri 28 Sep 12
harrythered wrote:It isn't true that supermarkets have a tax advantage on beer. Beer duty is payable by the breweries at the point of production: according to HMRC "beer is produced when the earliest of any of the following events takes place: The time when:"
Pubs, use them or lose them. Don't whinge about it if you don't make the effort. The biggest issue is that pubs can be converted without any need for planning permission - lobby your MP to support the proposed changes to the law that will stop this. And sign CAMRA's e petition (100,000 plus have signed already) that has forced a House of Commons debate re excessive alcohol taxes in pubs and the huge advantage supermarkets etc have in tax treatment on alcohol and food (no VAT) sales compared to pubs.
the beer is put into any package
beer is removed from the brewery
beer is consumed
the beer is lost
beer reaches that state of maturity at which it is fit for consumption
VAT is payable by both pubs and supermarkets on beer.
The advantage the supermarkets have is that they don't have to provide space for you to sit and drink the beer!
jobsworthwatch
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12:57pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Adrian XX
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1:00pm Fri 28 Sep 12
rockstar03 wrote:I doubt that's really the case. The Sandacres was no more upmarket than a Tesco Express. I think they are complaining about the loss of a reasonable place to have a drink. No one would mind much if the little shop by the ferry became a Tesco express: it would be open longer hours and sell a bigger, cheaper range.
Another example of the "not in my back yard" culture of the pretentious areas surrounding Poole and Bournemouth. See the local residents association have stuck their noses in... Don't worry I'm sure we can all wipe our feet as we leave the store..don't want to soil your holy peninsular .....anyone know how KFC are getting on with the drive through in the upper class Ferndown district? Have the residents association won the day there?
harrythered
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1:04pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Adrian XX wrote:Yes they do have an advantage on tax on beer because they buy at big discounts from brewers then sell at cost price or less as a loss leader to get customers in and buy other products. As a result they pay far less VAT on the final price of the beer they sell. A pint of Fosters in a pub costs £3.50 and VAT is approx 70p a pint. In a supermarket you can buy 6 cans (almost 6 pints) of Fosters for about £6 - VAT on that is about 20p a pint. That is 50p a pint difference in VAT.
harrythered wrote:It isn't true that supermarkets have a tax advantage on beer. Beer duty is payable by the breweries at the point of production: according to HMRC "beer is produced when the earliest of any of the following events takes place: The time when:"
Pubs, use them or lose them. Don't whinge about it if you don't make the effort. The biggest issue is that pubs can be converted without any need for planning permission - lobby your MP to support the proposed changes to the law that will stop this. And sign CAMRA's e petition (100,000 plus have signed already) that has forced a House of Commons debate re excessive alcohol taxes in pubs and the huge advantage supermarkets etc have in tax treatment on alcohol and food (no VAT) sales compared to pubs.
the beer is put into any package
beer is removed from the brewery
beer is consumed
the beer is lost
beer reaches that state of maturity at which it is fit for consumption
VAT is payable by both pubs and supermarkets on beer.
The advantage the supermarkets have is that they don't have to provide space for you to sit and drink the beer!
Humf
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1:10pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Adrian XX wrote:That's a very valid comment, i'd say it's only a matter of time before the Haven Stores get an offer they can't refuse from Tescos.
rockstar03 wrote:I doubt that's really the case. The Sandacres was no more upmarket than a Tesco Express. I think they are complaining about the loss of a reasonable place to have a drink. No one would mind much if the little shop by the ferry became a Tesco express: it would be open longer hours and sell a bigger, cheaper range.
Another example of the "not in my back yard" culture of the pretentious areas surrounding Poole and Bournemouth. See the local residents association have stuck their noses in... Don't worry I'm sure we can all wipe our feet as we leave the store..don't want to soil your holy peninsular .....anyone know how KFC are getting on with the drive through in the upper class Ferndown district? Have the residents association won the day there?
Just around the corner from Harry's house, he'll be delighted. Notepaper, pencils and red bull to help with those troublesome and time-consuming tax returns !
Adrian XX
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1:12pm Fri 28 Sep 12
harrythered wrote:OK, I see your point. But it's stretching the meaning of "tax-advantage". Any organisation that has greater overheads has to charge more and will therefore need to charge more VAT. For example, a buffet restaurant will be able to sell food for less than a restaurant with full table service, but I don't think you could say it has a tax advantage. Nor can you expect the government to implement lower tax rates for certain types of outlet.
Adrian XX wrote:Yes they do have an advantage on tax on beer because they buy at big discounts from brewers then sell at cost price or less as a loss leader to get customers in and buy other products. As a result they pay far less VAT on the final price of the beer they sell. A pint of Fosters in a pub costs £3.50 and VAT is approx 70p a pint. In a supermarket you can buy 6 cans (almost 6 pints) of Fosters for about £6 - VAT on that is about 20p a pint. That is 50p a pint difference in VAT.
harrythered wrote:It isn't true that supermarkets have a tax advantage on beer. Beer duty is payable by the breweries at the point of production: according to HMRC "beer is produced when the earliest of any of the following events takes place: The time when:"
Pubs, use them or lose them. Don't whinge about it if you don't make the effort. The biggest issue is that pubs can be converted without any need for planning permission - lobby your MP to support the proposed changes to the law that will stop this. And sign CAMRA's e petition (100,000 plus have signed already) that has forced a House of Commons debate re excessive alcohol taxes in pubs and the huge advantage supermarkets etc have in tax treatment on alcohol and food (no VAT) sales compared to pubs.
the beer is put into any package
beer is removed from the brewery
beer is consumed
the beer is lost
beer reaches that state of maturity at which it is fit for consumption
VAT is payable by both pubs and supermarkets on beer.
The advantage the supermarkets have is that they don't have to provide space for you to sit and drink the beer!
Percy Tatlock
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1:17pm Fri 28 Sep 12
boblister wrote:There isn't any public houses or bars from the civic centre till the roundabout at Sandbanks. Localism, stock up at the local convenience store and entertain at home more like. Or pay the subs to join a yachting club or maybe one of hotels may let non patrons in for a drink. There seems to be something missing, community not convenience.
With a Tesco Express less than a mile away at Lilliput did we really need another shop!!
It was bad enough losing the Beehive Pub at Lilliput, for an old peoples dwelling.
This is the last straw, it is an appalling decision. What about the new Localism Act don't we have a say??
BmthNewshound
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1:19pm Fri 28 Sep 12
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The shop will probably do well in summer with people stocking up on snacks and drinks before heading for the beach, considerably cheaper than the expensive beachside outlets.
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harrythered
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1:22pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Adrian XX wrote:Many European countries impose lower rates of VAT (5% in some cases) on sales in bars and cafes compared to supermarket/off sale outlets. Our country has the highest rate of beer tax (excise duty and VAT) in Europe and has an escalator tax rise built in every year of 2.5% above inflation - it's killing the pub trade and the supermarkets love it. They can pile it high, sell it cheap and have none of the associated costs of running pubs or dealing with drink or pub laws. How many people get loaded up with cheap booze from Tescos before going out. It's just a crazy one sided business.
harrythered wrote:OK, I see your point. But it's stretching the meaning of "tax-advantage". Any organisation that has greater overheads has to charge more and will therefore need to charge more VAT. For example, a buffet restaurant will be able to sell food for less than a restaurant with full table service, but I don't think you could say it has a tax advantage. Nor can you expect the government to implement lower tax rates for certain types of outlet.
Adrian XX wrote:Yes they do have an advantage on tax on beer because they buy at big discounts from brewers then sell at cost price or less as a loss leader to get customers in and buy other products. As a result they pay far less VAT on the final price of the beer they sell. A pint of Fosters in a pub costs £3.50 and VAT is approx 70p a pint. In a supermarket you can buy 6 cans (almost 6 pints) of Fosters for about £6 - VAT on that is about 20p a pint. That is 50p a pint difference in VAT.
harrythered wrote:It isn't true that supermarkets have a tax advantage on beer. Beer duty is payable by the breweries at the point of production: according to HMRC "beer is produced when the earliest of any of the following events takes place: The time when:"
Pubs, use them or lose them. Don't whinge about it if you don't make the effort. The biggest issue is that pubs can be converted without any need for planning permission - lobby your MP to support the proposed changes to the law that will stop this. And sign CAMRA's e petition (100,000 plus have signed already) that has forced a House of Commons debate re excessive alcohol taxes in pubs and the huge advantage supermarkets etc have in tax treatment on alcohol and food (no VAT) sales compared to pubs.
the beer is put into any package
beer is removed from the brewery
beer is consumed
the beer is lost
beer reaches that state of maturity at which it is fit for consumption
VAT is payable by both pubs and supermarkets on beer.
The advantage the supermarkets have is that they don't have to provide space for you to sit and drink the beer!
Adrian XX
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1:34pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Many European countries impose lower rates of VAT (5% in some cases) on sales in bars and cafes compared to supermarket/off sale outlets. Our country has the highest rate of beer tax (excise duty and VAT) in Europe and has an escalator tax rise built in every year of 2.5% above inflation - it's killing the pub trade and the supermarkets love it. They can pile it high, sell it cheap and have none of the associated costs of running pubs or dealing with drink or pub laws. How many people get loaded up with cheap booze from Tescos before going out. It's just a crazy one sided business.
I hadn't realised that some EU countries had dropped VAT rates for pubs. I guess you are talking about this: http://on.ft.com/NV1
nMs
I am not sure I would like to see this for the whole industry. Do we really want McDonalds paying less VAT? (and therefore the government needing to raise other taxes to compensate?). I think this could be applied to SMEs only.
BarrHumbug
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1:40pm Fri 28 Sep 12
The pub could have done so much better if it had been managed properly and had some money spent on it, look at the Jazz Cafe round the corner, the place is packed all the time?
harrythered
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1:45pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Adrian XX wrote:I think its about paying whats fair. I read that wetherspoons total tax bill is £500 million a year, or £13,000 per pub per week. That is a huge sum for a business of that size and equates to 45% of the cost of a pint in their pubs (figs courtesy of Tim Martin their chairman). I don't know what the answer is to address the inequality but it sure isn't taxing the pub and restaurant industry to death. After all that I think I need a pint (at the pub of course!!)
Many European countries impose lower rates of VAT (5% in some cases) on sales in bars and cafes compared to supermarket/off sale outlets. Our country has the highest rate of beer tax (excise duty and VAT) in Europe and has an escalator tax rise built in every year of 2.5% above inflation - it's killing the pub trade and the supermarkets love it. They can pile it high, sell it cheap and have none of the associated costs of running pubs or dealing with drink or pub laws. How many people get loaded up with cheap booze from Tescos before going out. It's just a crazy one sided business.
I hadn't realised that some EU countries had dropped VAT rates for pubs. I guess you are talking about this: http://on.ft.com/NV1
nMs
I am not sure I would like to see this for the whole industry. Do we really want McDonalds paying less VAT? (and therefore the government needing to raise other taxes to compensate?). I think this could be applied to SMEs only.
The Liberal
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1:57pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Humf
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2:14pm Fri 28 Sep 12
The Liberal wrote:Yes, in agreement there and needed something doing with it.
The Sandacres was a horrible eyesore, though, wasn't it? Why on earth didn't they do the place up and go upmarket?
Missed opportunity perhaps, Cafe Shore does very well and overlooks a car park and a pedestrian crossing - Sandacres overlooks the harbour and faces west so perhaps could have been just as successful. Not a very pretty buidlding in general though.
arthur1948
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2:50pm Fri 28 Sep 12
cyberdemon
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2:51pm Fri 28 Sep 12
rugby_dave
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2:51pm Fri 28 Sep 12
B.F.G wrote:know that would be funny!! shame hes got a new managers job elsewhere :(
Pete Faye stacking shelves, I'd pay to see that!
catseye
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2:52pm Fri 28 Sep 12
boyerboy
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2:54pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Adrian XX
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3:49pm Fri 28 Sep 12
cyberdemon wrote:That's what happened anyway. How would you make it more chilled out? (Apart from by changing the staff).
I think a better idea would've been to add a lick of paint and turn it into a chilled out bar with a better outside area for kitesurfers and windsurfers to sit in. All the watersports schools would bring clients there and it's right opposite the main launching beach.
Adrian XX
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3:53pm Fri 28 Sep 12
boyerboy wrote:Agreed. There isn't much money to be made from real pubs any more sadly. Packed, noisy places selling only big brands is where the cash is.
Fred Sinclair will be turning in his grave.........I used to love the place but like all the old local pubs it has had its day and is tacky now.......we could do with a nice pub though - since the " Cliffs" opened , I do not feel we have a pub to call home.
The Inn in the Park and the Beehive are "half-acceptable", though the quality of the food at both establishments is low, and the beer isn't up to much either. I guess they make their money from the guest rooms.
cyberdemon
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4:34pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Adrian XX wrote:Put more tables outside and have table service. Think apres ski bar. That way you can sit down in your wetsuit.
cyberdemon wrote:That's what happened anyway. How would you make it more chilled out? (Apart from by changing the staff).
I think a better idea would've been to add a lick of paint and turn it into a chilled out bar with a better outside area for kitesurfers and windsurfers to sit in. All the watersports schools would bring clients there and it's right opposite the main launching beach.
More ambitiously, change the windows for big opening doors, and maybe add some tv's inside playing videos of watersports.
Adrian XX
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4:45pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Put more tables outside and have table service. Think apres ski bar. That way you can sit down in your wetsuit.
More ambitiously, change the windows for big opening doors, and maybe add some tv's inside playing videos of watersports.
Service at tables outside (and inside) would definitely have improved. Changing the windows for doors would have taken quite a long time to pay back.
TV screens playing watersports would have to have been introduced very carefully: they would alienate those people who don't like watersports, so putting them on at the right time of day would have been essential. I remember the experiment they tried with live bands at the Sandacres. People who liked live music turned up, but some of the regulars who didn't like it stayed away. The result: no net gain.
grazzer
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5:41pm Fri 28 Sep 12
sandacres into an absolute goldmine
Graham Cribb
manyogie
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5:54pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Its a shop whats more acceptable, a derilict site, or a business?
madras
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6:12pm Fri 28 Sep 12
What, as in the league of gentlemen? -
Don't touch the things! This is a local shop for local people, there's nothing for you here!
Was Charlie
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6:42pm Fri 28 Sep 12
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Personally, because of previous unpleasant personal experiences of what they sell, I'd rather starve than shop at Tesco.
pete woodley
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6:52pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Dibbles2 wrote:You are right about the stupidy of parking
“In my experience lots of people welcome Tesco Express stores because they regenerate buildings no longer in use, such as closed down pubs. “Most of our customers walk,” said Ms Chiswell."
Wake up Ms Chiswell! You seriously need to go and visit the Wallisdown Tesco express! Which incidentally needs a better quality of staff and freezers that work! You put parking spaces backing onto a bus stop! I sincerely hope that the first person that gets hurt there sues Tesco express.
lilliputian
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7:05pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Brit76 wrote:A crass comment, stemming from ignorance of the traffic nightmares caused by long queues of traffic building up along Shore Road during the summer months. Now we are to expect regular thrice daily visits from articulated lorries making deliveries, not to mention cars attempting to exit from the shop car park into the traffic queue. If you want to see the sort of problems encountered look no further than a mile up the road to the Tesco 'artics', who routinely ignore the traffic restrictions on loading and unloading in Lilliput.
Mr Sansom, Chairman of Sandbanks Association, please don't give the potential for traffic issues (negligible) as the reason for your concern. The real reason for your disapproval is down to snobbery and the fact that a Tesco store is not up market enough for the folk of Sandbanks.
penhale
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7:46pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Couchy125 wrote:Lidl would have been better I feel.
Wardy72 wrote:Oh for gods sake have a wash. I would have chosen ALDI myself.
Absolutely appalling. Whoever let that happen needs there head examining. How many Tesco stores do we need in the same vicinity? Just goes to show greed is the only agenda for the councils in this area.
pete woodley
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7:51pm Fri 28 Sep 12
phonehome
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8:28pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Hadn't you noticed? People are getting fatter!
pete woodley
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8:38pm Fri 28 Sep 12
pete woodley
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8:39pm Fri 28 Sep 12
casperella
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8:41pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Moordown1
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9:05pm Fri 28 Sep 12
ABCD1
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10:43pm Fri 28 Sep 12
Surely a nice new restaurant / cafe would of been the best option. Cafe Shore isn't as nice as it used to be.
Ah well at least it will be easy to get a picnic for the beach! In the summer, what will they sell in the winter then? Just a few papers to the old f*rts.
Bob49
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12:07am Sat 29 Sep 12
perhaps that was the idea
Phixer
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12:42am Sat 29 Sep 12
Wardy72 wrote:If your reading skills were up to it, you would notice that the local council is not involved with this change of use.
Absolutely appalling. Whoever let that happen needs there head examining. How many Tesco stores do we need in the same vicinity? Just goes to show greed is the only agenda for the councils in this area.
Was Charlie
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8:09am Sat 29 Sep 12
phonehome wrote:Phonehome wrote: "Hadn't you noticed? People are getting fatter!"
We must be reaching saturation point when it comes to food outlets. There's a finite number of customers so they must just be spreading themselves round more and more stores without generating more profit. Unless, of course, Tesco is hoping people will abandon other names to make turning this country into Tescoland a little easier.
Hadn't you noticed? People are getting fatter!
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They don't need more food outlets to do that - they can just buy more from the existing ones.
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Seems wherever you look, there's a new Tesco Express. Obviously no other businesses can survive because Tesco and the rest have put them all out of business. We're definitely heading for Tescoland when it will be "You'll buy what we're offering at the prices we're charging or starve."
pete woodley
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8:24am Sat 29 Sep 12
Dibbles2
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9:43am Sat 29 Sep 12
BarrHumbug wrote:The general commotion is aimed at the fact that Tescos exress are cropping up in every vacant pub going and you have to remember its not just residents that dont want it. Its visitors too! They dont provide adequate parking therefore causing traffic problems. Any other business would have parking restrictions added but as said in the article they dont need to apply for planning permission so those restrictions arent added.
I bet there wouldn't be this commotion if it was a Waitrose Express?
The pub could have done so much better if it had been managed properly and had some money spent on it, look at the Jazz Cafe round the corner, the place is packed all the time?
Dibbles2
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9:49am Sat 29 Sep 12
pete woodley wrote:However Pete if they dont provide adequate parking at Sandbanks you have to pay to park on the road! I hope this puts prospective customers off but alas seeing how busy the Poole Quay store is I fear not. Their classy window displays of cardboard walkers crisps boxes will have the holiday makers flooding in.
Dibbles2 wrote:You are right about the stupidy of parking
“In my experience lots of people welcome Tesco Express stores because they regenerate buildings no longer in use, such as closed down pubs. “Most of our customers walk,” said Ms Chiswell."
Wake up Ms Chiswell! You seriously need to go and visit the Wallisdown Tesco express! Which incidentally needs a better quality of staff and freezers that work! You put parking spaces backing onto a bus stop! I sincerely hope that the first person that gets hurt there sues Tesco express.
MrPitiful
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10:16am Sat 29 Sep 12
A Tesco Express!
Fact - half the local NIMBY's moaning on here & behind their £3 bottles of water in Cafe Shore will end up shopping there.
Especially about 10 minutes before closing time when they reduce the prices of all the perishable fresh goods in the 'fridge.
Welcome to 21st century living Sandbanks & Lilliput folks - we've been waiting for you.
What you now need to do is close down one of your half empty, outdated & over-priced hotels & let Primark move in.
Primark? - Google 'em!
BIGTONE
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12:24pm Sat 29 Sep 12
casperella wrote:Naww. A drive through McDonalds at Sandbanks ferry.Can't wait.
If you dream of sand dunes and salty air..... Then you knew Sandbanks 30 years ago. The new builds, the new people , and the new money. Nothing wrong with progress but the character of Sandbanks has been gradually erased. A Tesco Express is the icing on the cake.
What better way than chomping a Big Mac on the ferry taking in the views and sea air.
Bliss.
Adrian XX
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12:54pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Fact - half the local NIMBY's moaning on here & behind their £3 bottles of water in Cafe Shore will end up shopping there.
I suspect there is a lot of jealous rage here clouding people's judgement.
It isn't the people who own houses on Sandbanks who use the facilities there or even live there most of the time. Nor is it they who are complaining. There are many people who go to Sandbanks to enjoy the beach and end up having a drink in Cafe Shore. Tesco Express arriving there will cause more problems for those visiting than those owning property there - mainly due to parking.
On a sunny day, there are queues onto the peninsula back as far as Haven Road or even Evening Hill and all the spaces by the Sandacres are taken up by wind and kite surfers if there is even the slightest bit of wind. It is going to cause even more chaos when people decide to pull into Tesco to buy a pork pie or a packet of fags. Perhaps Tesco should be forced to finance permanent traffic warden 200 metres either side of the store?
moorsman70
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moorsman70
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Felicity1
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b26b
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b26b
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oneshortleg
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4:10pm Sat 29 Sep 12
I like wine :)
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4:32pm Sat 29 Sep 12
The Sandacres was awful in recent years but could have been fantastic pub/cafe and a real money spinner in the right hands. As a visiter to Sandbanks now I'm really saddened to see it being exploited as it was one of the few areas we had left that wasn't overtaken by supermarkets.....Peo
ple took picnics down the beach not plastic sandwiches and boxes of beers. :(
PS.I wasn't rich, I paid £30 per week to share a flat next to the ferry and loved how cut off from society the place was in the winter. Many people go there in the winter for peace and solitude not Tesco Express!
ashleycross
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7:47pm Sat 29 Sep 12
Bournefre
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8:35pm Sat 29 Sep 12
EGHH
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6:43am Sun 30 Sep 12
BIGTONE
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8:38am Sun 30 Sep 12
Bournefre wrote:But Tesco's and the like are famous for their BOGOF offers on cases of beer.
I can't imagine there would be this much commotion if a pub in Bournemouth were turned into a Tesco Express, in fact it would probably be welcomed. Without ever having set foot in the Sandacres I'm going to proclaim that it is a good job it shut, because it will discourage binge drinking and antisocial behaviour, with it's cheap drinks and offers such as buy one get one free.
gameon
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11:20am Sun 30 Sep 12
Lord Spring wrote:And Eddie Mitchell handling the money and paying the staff and suppliers
sollie wrote:And Richard Carr as a greeter, Dave Wells stacking shelves.
Creating 20 jobs - does that mean we will see Harry Rednap on the tills!
pete woodley
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11:35am Sun 30 Sep 12
gameon wrote:Who is going to lay the car park ?.
Lord Spring wrote:And Eddie Mitchell handling the money and paying the staff and suppliers
sollie wrote:And Richard Carr as a greeter, Dave Wells stacking shelves.
Creating 20 jobs - does that mean we will see Harry Rednap on the tills!
gameon
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pete woodley
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Adrian XX
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1:09pm Sun 30 Sep 12
I can't imagine there would be this much commotion if a pub in Bournemouth were turned into a Tesco Express, in fact it would probably be welcomed.
But there aren't any real pubs left in Bournemouth.
Bmthdad
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6:19pm Sun 30 Sep 12
Humf wrote:Perhaps if you read the story properly, you would notice that there is no requirement for planning permission.
A jaw-dropping story indeed, a Tescos in Sandbanks and right on the harbour ? Lovely ! Carrier bags, rubbish, lovely bright tescos sign shining out from 7 -11. And on the corner of shore road at a junction where an accident waiting to happen. Is there any point having planning laws or departments ?
And the League of Gentlemen comment from the community liaison manager “It’s a local shop for local people.” - hilarious.
The change can be made under "permitted development rights".
perhaps if more people had used the pub it wouldn't have needed to close.
Better someone makes use of the building that it sit empty and become derelict.
The shop will also provide jobs.
Some people are never happy
fifty shades of brown envelopes
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7:50pm Sun 30 Sep 12
pete woodley
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2:12am Mon 1 Oct 12
social-poet
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9:56am Mon 1 Oct 12
Well it wasn't that popular then - if it closed down!
fifty shades of brown envelopes
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10:48am Mon 1 Oct 12
fifty shades of brown envelopes wrote:or hamworthygirl
Pete woodley on the door head bouncer
whats the diffo.
seasick steve
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12:25pm Mon 1 Oct 12
pete woodley
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5:09pm Mon 1 Oct 12
fifty shades of brown envelopes wrote:No difference, we both are not as stupid as you.And neither of us make silly childish statements like you always are doing,obviously what you are on has a effect on your brain.
fifty shades of brown envelopes wrote:or hamworthygirl
Pete woodley on the door head bouncer
whats the diffo.
Bournefre
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6:18pm Mon 1 Oct 12
BIGTONE wrote:Not Tesco express though, which is what this will be. Tesco express are actually quite expensive for cans of beer.
Bournefre wrote:But Tesco's and the like are famous for their BOGOF offers on cases of beer.
I can't imagine there would be this much commotion if a pub in Bournemouth were turned into a Tesco Express, in fact it would probably be welcomed. Without ever having set foot in the Sandacres I'm going to proclaim that it is a good job it shut, because it will discourage binge drinking and antisocial behaviour, with it's cheap drinks and offers such as buy one get one free.
Bournefre
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6:30pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Adrian XX wrote:No, because they've all been shut down because apparently there are too many, or priced out of business to pay for things like taxi wardens. Drinking establishments can make money out of students necking back Jaegerbombs, but they can't make money from people sitting around talking. This is apparently what the public want every time they demand the pubs pay for this that and the other, and call for it all to be made more expensive; the end product being that people get tanked up before they go out, and old people have to 'run the gauntlet' on their way back from the theatre.
I can't imagine there would be this much commotion if a pub in Bournemouth were turned into a Tesco Express, in fact it would probably be welcomed.
But there aren't any real pubs left in Bournemouth.
Bournefre
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6:32pm Mon 1 Oct 12
EDDIE GROVES.
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7:06pm Mon 1 Oct 12
pete woodley wrote:I can arange for the three of you to go boot camp, that should silence you.
fifty shades of brown envelopes wrote:No difference, we both are not as stupid as you.And neither of us make silly childish statements like you always are doing,obviously what you are on has a effect on your brain.
fifty shades of brown envelopes wrote:or hamworthygirl
Pete woodley on the door head bouncer
whats the diffo.
pete woodley
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8:50am Tue 2 Oct 12
Arthur Maureen
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12:52pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Arthur Maureen
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12:52pm Tue 2 Oct 12
bornINpoole69
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1:04pm Tue 2 Oct 12
I am very amused by the comments of the
"have nots" and if their attitude in life is like their posts, they will always be "have nots"!
Someone said above there is no where for a drink from Park gates to the ferry.
What about Salterns? good range of beers and wine.
The Sandbanks Hotel? bit too pricey maybe. I stopped going to Jazzies years ago when I was short measured so lets move onto Cafe Shore and The Haven Hotel.
All expensive. iF YOU WANT WETHERBOARDS PRICES GO WETHERBOARDS!
I also see major drink problems on the beach as well as litter. not just litter from the pisheads but far worse - the foxes. they will go through every bin at night and distribute the contents when are then ripped open by the seagulls. Tesco will of course get the blame.
Then there will be the beach parties - an 18b year old will go to Tescos (bypassing the Pete Woolley security) and purchase enough booze to sink a surfreef. then we have drunken orgies at shore road beach, empty cans and bottles everywhere and of course noise.As far as traffic is concerned, the idiots at the council have already caused the biggest traffic jams in the town by removing the filter lane at the main car park so parkers and through traffic have to sit in line for hours on a busy summers day. Maybe Tesco could do a kerb side cold drinks service so the motorist can keep cool and hydrated whilst they wait to get past.
pete woodley
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4:50pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Fedupwithjobsworths could beWhats the wages,i am interested.
Talkingheadera
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4:58pm Tue 2 Oct 12
harrythered wrote:I think you'll find the reason other nations tax lower to food and beverage outlets is to encourage people to eat and drink out.
Adrian XX wrote:I think its about paying whats fair. I read that wetherspoons total tax bill is £500 million a year, or £13,000 per pub per week. That is a huge sum for a business of that size and equates to 45% of the cost of a pint in their pubs (figs courtesy of Tim Martin their chairman). I don't know what the answer is to address the inequality but it sure isn't taxing the pub and restaurant industry to death. After all that I think I need a pint (at the pub of course!!)
Many European countries impose lower rates of VAT (5% in some cases) on sales in bars and cafes compared to supermarket/off sale outlets. Our country has the highest rate of beer tax (excise duty and VAT) in Europe and has an escalator tax rise built in every year of 2.5% above inflation - it's killing the pub trade and the supermarkets love it. They can pile it high, sell it cheap and have none of the associated costs of running pubs or dealing with drink or pub laws. How many people get loaded up with cheap booze from Tescos before going out. It's just a crazy one sided business.
I hadn't realised that some EU countries had dropped VAT rates for pubs. I guess you are talking about this: http://on.ft.com/NV1
nMs
I am not sure I would like to see this for the whole industry. Do we really want McDonalds paying less VAT? (and therefore the government needing to raise other taxes to compensate?). I think this could be applied to SMEs only.
Simple. The more this happens the more tax and vat the government gains rather than no vat on food in a supermarket. Low prices equals low vat in supermarkets. More people eating and drinking out helps the economy. I don't see the need for duty full stop. What's wrong with just vat?
Dont drop litter
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1:14pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Felicity1 wrote:Jealous idiot
Good idea. It will do really well there, bring Sandbanks down to a bit of reality.Sandbanks boo boo
Dont drop litter
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1:17pm Wed 3 Oct 12
b26b wrote:Another jealous idiot. Don't try to pretend that you don't want more from life. There is nothing wrong with trying to better you self or your surroundings - but there is wrong it trying to bring down those who have.
Excellent news anything to **** off the rich
jimmy saville
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10:23pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Incognito1
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9:19am Thu 4 Oct 12
'A local shop for local people' arrrh isn't that nice, they are doing it for us! Not that the staff get paid nothing along with the suppliers of food who get screwed down to minimal profit margins.
Tesco I loathe you, can't you make do with the Lilliput store that offers huge returns or do you really have to ruin shore road as well? Go away, we don't want you here.
pete woodley
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7:20pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Incognito1 wrote:Other areas have to put up with it,whats so special about sandbanks,posers paradise.
Is this actually going to be allowed to happen? Is there any way to stop it happening? A Tesco's by the beach in the beautiful Poole Harbour must be the final straw. Why not open a McDonald's as well? Asda will want a piece of the action too but they can buy sandbanks car park and develop that, because as we know it will be in keeping with Poole Harbour and surrounding areas. Don't worry about planning.
'A local shop for local people' arrrh isn't that nice, they are doing it for us! Not that the staff get paid nothing along with the suppliers of food who get screwed down to minimal profit margins.
Tesco I loathe you, can't you make do with the Lilliput store that offers huge returns or do you really have to ruin shore road as well? Go away, we don't want you here.
equipe
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10:18pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Hampshire Dorset
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Incognito1
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9:00am Fri 5 Oct 12
pete woodley wrote:What's so special about the shore road site? Really? Umm....the fact to faces right on to the beach!! A place where people go to relax. Do people want to see a Tesco sign lit up in the middle of a beautiful part of the world. Logistically I can't see how it can work with deliveries etc. If Lilliput is anything to go by the 5:30/6 am noisy deliveries will have the locals up in arms.
Incognito1 wrote: Is this actually going to be allowed to happen? Is there any way to stop it happening? A Tesco's by the beach in the beautiful Poole Harbour must be the final straw. Why not open a McDonald's as well? Asda will want a piece of the action too but they can buy sandbanks car park and develop that, because as we know it will be in keeping with Poole Harbour and surrounding areas. Don't worry about planning. 'A local shop for local people' arrrh isn't that nice, they are doing it for us! Not that the staff get paid nothing along with the suppliers of food who get screwed down to minimal profit margins. Tesco I loathe you, can't you make do with the Lilliput store that offers huge returns or do you really have to ruin shore road as well? Go away, we don't want you here.Other areas have to put up with it,whats so special about sandbanks,posers paradise.
Other areas do have to put up with it but how many people, for example, decend on Bournemouth road (as nice an area as it is) with their families to enjoy a day by the sea, or go kitesurfing there? Sandbanks is a place for everyone to enjoy not just the locals as I'm sure everyone agrees and a commercial eyesore is not appropriate.
Is there a petition started yet? If enough people oppose it can be stopped.
Incognito1
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9:09am Fri 5 Oct 12
pete woodley wrote:weak
How dare lorry drivers go and park in Lilliput,have you no respect for the "ladies and gentlemen" in that area,what is the world coming to, such terrible behaviour.If we are not careful we will soon see people walking along the pavements,and making a noise at 10 am and as late as 5pm.One likes peace and quiet,one does.Mama and Papa will not like this.
Dibbles2 says...
10:29am Fri 28 Sep 12
Wake up Ms Chiswell! You seriously need to go and visit the Wallisdown Tesco express! Which incidentally needs a better quality of staff and freezers that work! You put parking spaces backing onto a bus stop! I sincerely hope that the first person that gets hurt there sues Tesco express.