Warning over planned Dorset wind farm

Bournemouth Echo: CONCERNS: How the proposed wind farm would look CONCERNS: How the proposed wind farm would look

WIND farm developer Eneco has been warned to produce the facts about its turbine proposals – or risk having its plans scuppered.

Frustrations bubbled over at a heated meeting, at which Eneco was accused of treating local residents “like children”.

And it ended with a stark threat from Bournemouth West MP Conor Burns, who said he would ask the Secretary of State to intervene if Eneco did not “up their game”.

Local MPs, councillors and tourism representatives have long complained about a lack of meaningful information from Eneco, which wants to build the Navitus Bay wind farm on a 76-square mile site off the Swanage coast.

Eneco has not yet said how many turbines there will be – although Mr Burns said the meeting heard it could be as many as 333 – how high they will be or where they will be located. It has also not produced any images showing the impact from the coast.

Mr Burns said: “How can they tell us how much power the turbines will generate but not how many there will be and what size they will be?

“I told them trust had broken down between them and us and unless that is transformed, I will do everything I can to get the Secretary of State to stop this.”

Local councillors and MPs are only consultees on the wind farm project, as the seabed is owned by the Crown Estate. The Secretary of State is the only person who could scupper Eneco’s plans.

Bournemouth council leader Cllr John Beesley stressed they were open-minded on the scheme but said dealing with Eneco was “immensely frustrating”.

“They tell us no decisions have been made, well quite frankly I don’t believe that and I don’t think anybody else in the room believed it either,” he said.

“I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.”

And Mike Francis, of the Bournemouth Tourism Management Board, said: “Basically all they have done is treated us like idiots. We’ve been patient for a year listening to the various speeches they have made but we’re still none the wiser.”

  • In a statement, Eneco said: “Members of the Navitus Bay Development Ltd team met with Conor Burns MP and other local elected officials and civic representatives as part of an ongoing and extensive programme of consultation.

“Forthright views were expressed at the meeting that reflects the fact that this is a very important and highly complex proposal and therefore we welcome them.

“In line with this the Navitus Bay team committed to make the consultation process as open and transparent as possible, which would include addressing the specific concerns raised at the meeting.

“A further round of public consultation is scheduled for November and by that stage many of the technical issues, concerns and options raised during previous rounds will have been addressed so that the community can gain a comprehensive, fair and accurate impression of what is being proposed.

“This response will include detailed visualisations and initial findings from the environmental impact assessment, digital imagery and a comprehensive review of the economic implications.”

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9:57am Sun 19 Aug 12

Hobie18007 says...

Another red herring for the local area?
Another red herring for the local area? Hobie18007

10:20am Sun 19 Aug 12

Azphreal says...

“I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” Wow you mean the same way your council treats the voters? Pot calling kettle black.
“I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” Wow you mean the same way your council treats the voters? Pot calling kettle black. Azphreal

10:23am Sun 19 Aug 12

Turtlebay says...

Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline?
http://www.eneco.com
/organisation/Shareh
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Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx Turtlebay

10:26am Sun 19 Aug 12

penhale says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline?
http://www.eneco.com

/organisation/Shareh

olders/Pages/Default

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Probably because our country is owned by the E.U thanks to consecutive governments selling us out.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx[/p][/quote]Probably because our country is owned by the E.U thanks to consecutive governments selling us out. penhale

10:49am Sun 19 Aug 12

Tony Trent says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline?
http://www.eneco.com

/organisation/Shareh

olders/Pages/Default

.aspx
Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster...
Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country!
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx[/p][/quote]Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster... Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country! Tony Trent

11:11am Sun 19 Aug 12

saynomore says...

Well said I agree with everthing you have said,we would all still be living in mud huts if the nimbys are listened to.Never mind "I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” The nimbys are acting like spoilt chidren in my opinion.
Well said I agree with everthing you have said,we would all still be living in mud huts if the nimbys are listened to.Never mind "I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” The nimbys are acting like spoilt chidren in my opinion. saynomore

11:26am Sun 19 Aug 12

Redgolfer00 says...

saynomore wrote:
Well said I agree with everthing you have said,we would all still be living in mud huts if the nimbys are listened to.Never mind "I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” The nimbys are acting like spoilt chidren in my opinion.
Just because we do not play the ''tune'' that you pair want us to do, why are we ''Nimbys'' !!!.
Why do the people of Dorset have to have those eyesores on our doorstep, why not produce ALL the facts concerning the site and then let the people of Dorset decide, please do not trust the idiots who produced the Reef, Imax and all the other C-----S to make decisions that effect all of our lives.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: Well said I agree with everthing you have said,we would all still be living in mud huts if the nimbys are listened to.Never mind "I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” The nimbys are acting like spoilt chidren in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Just because we do not play the ''tune'' that you pair want us to do, why are we ''Nimbys'' !!!. Why do the people of Dorset have to have those eyesores on our doorstep, why not produce ALL the facts concerning the site and then let the people of Dorset decide, please do not trust the idiots who produced the Reef, Imax and all the other C-----S to make decisions that effect all of our lives. Redgolfer00

11:49am Sun 19 Aug 12

penhale says...

Tony Trent wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline?
http://www.eneco.com


/organisation/Shareh


olders/Pages/Default


.aspx
Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster...
Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country!
We all need new ways of generating energy but the cost to the people of this country is extortionate compared to what we will get back, at least nuclear power doesn't rely on the wind blowing, wind farms, although majestic looking are uneconomical to operate and probably cancel out any co2 saving during the building of them, there are much more effective and constructive ways of harnessing power.
I believe that all this global warming hogwash has been concocted by a certain few as a scaremongering money making scam.
First the ozone layer was disappearing so we banned cfts in spray cans, then it was car emissions and somebody made millions out of that rubbish, when cars became cleaner they started on about cows ****, how they will clean that up I have no idea.
They must have a department somewhere full of men in suits thinking what they can dream up next to prove global warming of climate change as it was once known, that one died a death as well.
Nuclear is the way to go, at least it has proved itself to work whatever the weather and safety is much better now that 30 years ago.
We don't need hundreds of fans covering the planet which produces very little but fills the pockets of the scaremongers at our expense.
If these things get off the ground we will all be NIMBYs as you put it because we will all have one of these things in our own back yard.
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx[/p][/quote]Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster... Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country![/p][/quote]We all need new ways of generating energy but the cost to the people of this country is extortionate compared to what we will get back, at least nuclear power doesn't rely on the wind blowing, wind farms, although majestic looking are uneconomical to operate and probably cancel out any co2 saving during the building of them, there are much more effective and constructive ways of harnessing power. I believe that all this global warming hogwash has been concocted by a certain few as a scaremongering money making scam. First the ozone layer was disappearing so we banned cfts in spray cans, then it was car emissions and somebody made millions out of that rubbish, when cars became cleaner they started on about cows ****, how they will clean that up I have no idea. They must have a department somewhere full of men in suits thinking what they can dream up next to prove global warming of climate change as it was once known, that one died a death as well. Nuclear is the way to go, at least it has proved itself to work whatever the weather and safety is much better now that 30 years ago. We don't need hundreds of fans covering the planet which produces very little but fills the pockets of the scaremongers at our expense. If these things get off the ground we will all be NIMBYs as you put it because we will all have one of these things in our own back yard. penhale

11:57am Sun 19 Aug 12

Turtlebay says...

And all because you believe the governmental brain washing tactics.
And all because you believe the governmental brain washing tactics. Turtlebay

12:08pm Sun 19 Aug 12

penhale says...

Turtlebay wrote:
And all because you believe the governmental brain washing tactics.
To what do you refer, make yourself a little clearer.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: And all because you believe the governmental brain washing tactics.[/p][/quote]To what do you refer, make yourself a little clearer. penhale

12:49pm Sun 19 Aug 12

muscliffman says...

Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam.
If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it.
How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are!
Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.
Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates. muscliffman

1:03pm Sun 19 Aug 12

penhale says...

muscliffman wrote:
Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam.
If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it.
How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are!
Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.
Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. penhale

1:35pm Sun 19 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

penhale wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
Turtlebay wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx
Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster... Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country!
We all need new ways of generating energy but the cost to the people of this country is extortionate compared to what we will get back, at least nuclear power doesn't rely on the wind blowing, wind farms, although majestic looking are uneconomical to operate and probably cancel out any co2 saving during the building of them, there are much more effective and constructive ways of harnessing power. I believe that all this global warming hogwash has been concocted by a certain few as a scaremongering money making scam. First the ozone layer was disappearing so we banned cfts in spray cans, then it was car emissions and somebody made millions out of that rubbish, when cars became cleaner they started on about cows ****, how they will clean that up I have no idea. They must have a department somewhere full of men in suits thinking what they can dream up next to prove global warming of climate change as it was once known, that one died a death as well. Nuclear is the way to go, at least it has proved itself to work whatever the weather and safety is much better now that 30 years ago. We don't need hundreds of fans covering the planet which produces very little but fills the pockets of the scaremongers at our expense. If these things get off the ground we will all be NIMBYs as you put it because we will all have one of these things in our own back yard.
More like in our front gardens actually...
The UK may have committed itself to making an offering to carbon reduction by use of solar,wind collection methods but that doesn`t mean we should have an enormous wind power plant plonked in such a premier position when it could equally and likely more benificailly be sited away from highly populated, visitted yet still scenic conurbations such as ours.
Unfortunately the more technical downsides of collecting wind energy
in such a busy shipping as well as residential region of our Southern coastline seem to be beyond the grasp of they speaking on our behalf.
Sunny days in our Region with a nice mild South Westerly breeze might well become as rare as hen`s teeth if they dio not.
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx[/p][/quote]Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster... Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country![/p][/quote]We all need new ways of generating energy but the cost to the people of this country is extortionate compared to what we will get back, at least nuclear power doesn't rely on the wind blowing, wind farms, although majestic looking are uneconomical to operate and probably cancel out any co2 saving during the building of them, there are much more effective and constructive ways of harnessing power. I believe that all this global warming hogwash has been concocted by a certain few as a scaremongering money making scam. First the ozone layer was disappearing so we banned cfts in spray cans, then it was car emissions and somebody made millions out of that rubbish, when cars became cleaner they started on about cows ****, how they will clean that up I have no idea. They must have a department somewhere full of men in suits thinking what they can dream up next to prove global warming of climate change as it was once known, that one died a death as well. Nuclear is the way to go, at least it has proved itself to work whatever the weather and safety is much better now that 30 years ago. We don't need hundreds of fans covering the planet which produces very little but fills the pockets of the scaremongers at our expense. If these things get off the ground we will all be NIMBYs as you put it because we will all have one of these things in our own back yard.[/p][/quote]More like in our front gardens actually... The UK may have committed itself to making an offering to carbon reduction by use of solar,wind collection methods but that doesn`t mean we should have an enormous wind power plant plonked in such a premier position when it could equally and likely more benificailly be sited away from highly populated, visitted yet still scenic conurbations such as ours. Unfortunately the more technical downsides of collecting wind energy in such a busy shipping as well as residential region of our Southern coastline seem to be beyond the grasp of they speaking on our behalf. Sunny days in our Region with a nice mild South Westerly breeze might well become as rare as hen`s teeth if they dio not. a.g.o.g.

4:19pm Sun 19 Aug 12

Nickolai says...

More global warming scams involve carbon credit trading - just look up what that is all about ..............
More global warming scams involve carbon credit trading - just look up what that is all about .............. Nickolai

4:34pm Sun 19 Aug 12

Red Grouse says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline?
http://www.eneco.com

/organisation/Shareh

olders/Pages/Default

.aspx
The answer is the huge production subsidies that we are offering.

Government-commissio
ned research shows that UK industry is paying twice as much as our competitors in Green taxes and subsidies.

See: ‘An International Comparison of Energy and Climate Change Policies Impacting Energy Intensive Industries in Selected Countries’ (11 July 2012), ICF International for the Department of Business Innovation & Skills, BIS.

Downloadable from the BIS website: http://www.bis.gov.u
k/policies/business-
sectors/energy-inten
sive-industries/docu
mentation

Similarly, UK domestic consumers are being driven into fuel poverty by this lunacy. We have over 6.5 million households in fuel poverty, in some areas over 50% of households. These levies, taxes and subsidies are the most highly regressive form of taxation - they hit the poorest hardest.

Check the figures for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx[/p][/quote]The answer is the huge production subsidies that we are offering. Government-commissio ned research shows that UK industry is paying twice as much as our competitors in Green taxes and subsidies. See: ‘An International Comparison of Energy and Climate Change Policies Impacting Energy Intensive Industries in Selected Countries’ (11 July 2012), ICF International for the Department of Business Innovation & Skills, BIS. Downloadable from the BIS website: http://www.bis.gov.u k/policies/business- sectors/energy-inten sive-industries/docu mentation Similarly, UK domestic consumers are being driven into fuel poverty by this lunacy. We have over 6.5 million households in fuel poverty, in some areas over 50% of households. These levies, taxes and subsidies are the most highly regressive form of taxation - they hit the poorest hardest. Check the figures for yourself. Red Grouse

4:57pm Sun 19 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
penhale wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
Turtlebay wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx
Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster... Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country!
We all need new ways of generating energy but the cost to the people of this country is extortionate compared to what we will get back, at least nuclear power doesn't rely on the wind blowing, wind farms, although majestic looking are uneconomical to operate and probably cancel out any co2 saving during the building of them, there are much more effective and constructive ways of harnessing power. I believe that all this global warming hogwash has been concocted by a certain few as a scaremongering money making scam. First the ozone layer was disappearing so we banned cfts in spray cans, then it was car emissions and somebody made millions out of that rubbish, when cars became cleaner they started on about cows ****, how they will clean that up I have no idea. They must have a department somewhere full of men in suits thinking what they can dream up next to prove global warming of climate change as it was once known, that one died a death as well. Nuclear is the way to go, at least it has proved itself to work whatever the weather and safety is much better now that 30 years ago. We don't need hundreds of fans covering the planet which produces very little but fills the pockets of the scaremongers at our expense. If these things get off the ground we will all be NIMBYs as you put it because we will all have one of these things in our own back yard.
More like in our front gardens actually... The UK may have committed itself to making an offering to carbon reduction by use of solar,wind collection methods but that doesn`t mean we should have an enormous wind power plant plonked in such a premier position when it could equally and likely more benificailly be sited away from highly populated, visitted yet still scenic conurbations such as ours. Unfortunately the more technical downsides of collecting wind energy in such a busy shipping as well as residential region of our Southern coastline seem to be beyond the grasp of they speaking on our behalf. Sunny days in our Region with a nice mild South Westerly breeze might well become as rare as hen`s teeth if they dio not.
....do not get a grip(intended ending).
Second Red Grouse input above........
is anybody out there listening tho`?
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is a Dutch company so interested in placing these generators off OUR coastline? http://www.eneco.com /organisation/Shareh olders/Pages/Default .aspx[/p][/quote]Because WE need the energy, and there are some in the Government (and the previous Government) that have had the sense to realise this. They are not all shareholders in the gas, oil & nuclear industries that stand to gain huge profits if they are the only game left in town. Before getting too excited about subsidies, as many will, it might be worth checking out the huge subsidies that will be needed to (a) clean up old, & (b) build new nuclear power stations. That might be almost as much, or possibly more, than was put in to bail the banks out. One final bit of information to the above poster... Much of out water & sewerage companies, electricity suppliers, public transport & nearly all the oil companies are foreign owned, so what's different about wind generation? Foreign companies are bound to gain a lead over ours if we can't even get minor wind farm projects off the ground, and lose a nearby manufacturer. In some other countries wind turbines are quite commonplace. The NIMBY's are helping us become an even more backward country![/p][/quote]We all need new ways of generating energy but the cost to the people of this country is extortionate compared to what we will get back, at least nuclear power doesn't rely on the wind blowing, wind farms, although majestic looking are uneconomical to operate and probably cancel out any co2 saving during the building of them, there are much more effective and constructive ways of harnessing power. I believe that all this global warming hogwash has been concocted by a certain few as a scaremongering money making scam. First the ozone layer was disappearing so we banned cfts in spray cans, then it was car emissions and somebody made millions out of that rubbish, when cars became cleaner they started on about cows ****, how they will clean that up I have no idea. They must have a department somewhere full of men in suits thinking what they can dream up next to prove global warming of climate change as it was once known, that one died a death as well. Nuclear is the way to go, at least it has proved itself to work whatever the weather and safety is much better now that 30 years ago. We don't need hundreds of fans covering the planet which produces very little but fills the pockets of the scaremongers at our expense. If these things get off the ground we will all be NIMBYs as you put it because we will all have one of these things in our own back yard.[/p][/quote]More like in our front gardens actually... The UK may have committed itself to making an offering to carbon reduction by use of solar,wind collection methods but that doesn`t mean we should have an enormous wind power plant plonked in such a premier position when it could equally and likely more benificailly be sited away from highly populated, visitted yet still scenic conurbations such as ours. Unfortunately the more technical downsides of collecting wind energy in such a busy shipping as well as residential region of our Southern coastline seem to be beyond the grasp of they speaking on our behalf. Sunny days in our Region with a nice mild South Westerly breeze might well become as rare as hen`s teeth if they dio not.[/p][/quote]....do not get a grip(intended ending). Second Red Grouse input above........ is anybody out there listening tho`? a.g.o.g.

6:12pm Sun 19 Aug 12

The Liberal says...

muscliffman wrote:
Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam.
If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it.
How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are!
Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.
In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.[/p][/quote]In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate. The Liberal

6:52pm Sun 19 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

The Liberal wrote:
muscliffman wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.
In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.
No connection whatsoever....
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.[/p][/quote]In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.[/p][/quote]No connection whatsoever.... a.g.o.g.

8:21pm Sun 19 Aug 12

muscliffman says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
muscliffman wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.
In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.
No connection whatsoever....
Exactly what I thought.
Illogical responses tend to happen when 'greens' are caught in a corner by patent reason.
E.G. If it's hot, if it's cold, if it rains. if it snows, if there is a drought, if there are floods, etc,etc, - manmade global warming is the cause every time!
Of course I do not favour man-made pollution, including sticking tons of expensive, unsightly and pointless rusting metal wind turbines in the sea off the coast (or anywhere else for that matter).
But bring on the next volcanic eruption, I think you will find Mother Nature runs the pollution show better than us as well.
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.[/p][/quote]In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.[/p][/quote]No connection whatsoever....[/p][/quote]Exactly what I thought. Illogical responses tend to happen when 'greens' are caught in a corner by patent reason. E.G. If it's hot, if it's cold, if it rains. if it snows, if there is a drought, if there are floods, etc,etc, - manmade global warming is the cause every time! Of course I do not favour man-made pollution, including sticking tons of expensive, unsightly and pointless rusting metal wind turbines in the sea off the coast (or anywhere else for that matter). But bring on the next volcanic eruption, I think you will find Mother Nature runs the pollution show better than us as well. muscliffman

9:27pm Sun 19 Aug 12

fuzzy wuzzie says...

muscliffman wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
muscliffman wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.
In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.
No connection whatsoever....
Exactly what I thought.
Illogical responses tend to happen when 'greens' are caught in a corner by patent reason.
E.G. If it's hot, if it's cold, if it rains. if it snows, if there is a drought, if there are floods, etc,etc, - manmade global warming is the cause every time!
Of course I do not favour man-made pollution, including sticking tons of expensive, unsightly and pointless rusting metal wind turbines in the sea off the coast (or anywhere else for that matter).
But bring on the next volcanic eruption, I think you will find Mother Nature runs the pollution show better than us as well.
Um muscliffeman chap have you ever heard of global dimming? I was like you until I read up about it. Do some research then you will understand the massive sting in the tail that we face over co2 and manmade pollutant reduction and the reversal of global dimming which has caused a 4% rise in light getting through the atmosphere over tha past decade. This is proven and once you get your head around global dimming which has been known about since the 1950ies the scam which you think it is will be blown away. I think your one of the older generation who has wasted all the fossil fuels and wants to wash his hands of any responsibility to pay for it.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.[/p][/quote]In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.[/p][/quote]No connection whatsoever....[/p][/quote]Exactly what I thought. Illogical responses tend to happen when 'greens' are caught in a corner by patent reason. E.G. If it's hot, if it's cold, if it rains. if it snows, if there is a drought, if there are floods, etc,etc, - manmade global warming is the cause every time! Of course I do not favour man-made pollution, including sticking tons of expensive, unsightly and pointless rusting metal wind turbines in the sea off the coast (or anywhere else for that matter). But bring on the next volcanic eruption, I think you will find Mother Nature runs the pollution show better than us as well.[/p][/quote]Um muscliffeman chap have you ever heard of global dimming? I was like you until I read up about it. Do some research then you will understand the massive sting in the tail that we face over co2 and manmade pollutant reduction and the reversal of global dimming which has caused a 4% rise in light getting through the atmosphere over tha past decade. This is proven and once you get your head around global dimming which has been known about since the 1950ies the scam which you think it is will be blown away. I think your one of the older generation who has wasted all the fossil fuels and wants to wash his hands of any responsibility to pay for it. fuzzy wuzzie

9:38pm Sun 19 Aug 12

penhale says...

muscliffman is spot on, if we have a long run of hot weather it's blamed on global warming, if we have weeks of rain and floods it's blamed on global warming, if we have days of heavy snow it's blamed on global warming, cant quite get my head round that one, every time we have long spells of any type of weather the tree huggers come out in force and blame global warming, what ever happened to "it's just the weather.
These are excuses for the more brain dead of modern society to get on their soap boxes and complain about something and also excuses to hike up taxes associated with fighting a non existent global warming ideology.
We have only been custodians of this planet for a very short time, this planet on the other hand has been around for millions of years and over that time it has heated and cooled a number of times, the only difference back then was that there were no self righteous hippies getting their tackle in a tangle over it.
muscliffman is spot on, if we have a long run of hot weather it's blamed on global warming, if we have weeks of rain and floods it's blamed on global warming, if we have days of heavy snow it's blamed on global warming, cant quite get my head round that one, every time we have long spells of any type of weather the tree huggers come out in force and blame global warming, what ever happened to "it's just the weather. These are excuses for the more brain dead of modern society to get on their soap boxes and complain about something and also excuses to hike up taxes associated with fighting a non existent global warming ideology. We have only been custodians of this planet for a very short time, this planet on the other hand has been around for millions of years and over that time it has heated and cooled a number of times, the only difference back then was that there were no self righteous hippies getting their tackle in a tangle over it. penhale

10:50pm Sun 19 Aug 12

muscliffman says...

fuzzy wuzzie wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
muscliffman wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.
In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.
No connection whatsoever....
Exactly what I thought.
Illogical responses tend to happen when 'greens' are caught in a corner by patent reason.
E.G. If it's hot, if it's cold, if it rains. if it snows, if there is a drought, if there are floods, etc,etc, - manmade global warming is the cause every time!
Of course I do not favour man-made pollution, including sticking tons of expensive, unsightly and pointless rusting metal wind turbines in the sea off the coast (or anywhere else for that matter).
But bring on the next volcanic eruption, I think you will find Mother Nature runs the pollution show better than us as well.
Um muscliffeman chap have you ever heard of global dimming? I was like you until I read up about it. Do some research then you will understand the massive sting in the tail that we face over co2 and manmade pollutant reduction and the reversal of global dimming which has caused a 4% rise in light getting through the atmosphere over tha past decade. This is proven and once you get your head around global dimming which has been known about since the 1950ies the scam which you think it is will be blown away. I think your one of the older generation who has wasted all the fossil fuels and wants to wash his hands of any responsibility to pay for it.
I am aware of this 'dimming' aspect of the man-made global warming theory (and repeat I do not defend man-made pollution).
But, the investigation on this subject has only been carried out since the mid-fifties, less than a milli-milli second in the planets lifetime of climate evolution.
And this work is presumably undertaken by scientists dependant on governments for their funding (jobs). So finding nothing amiss really is not a good career move.
A classic 'green' research problem.
[quote][p][bold]fuzzy wuzzie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Funny really, they cannot possibly provide all the facts because it would expose the entire 'green' scam. If you research the subject you will discover that the promoters of man-made global warming and it's reversal are almost inevitably those making money and or political power out of it. How would people feel if senior politicians and their relatives were to be trousering money from this fiction..........do your homework because they are! Mother nature determines the climate on this planet, not a bunch of clothed primates.[/p][/quote]In that case, pollution must be a scam too. So no matter how much toxic waste we dump into rivers, it has no effect. Yeah right. Better make sure you've got enough tin foil on your hat, mate.[/p][/quote]No connection whatsoever....[/p][/quote]Exactly what I thought. Illogical responses tend to happen when 'greens' are caught in a corner by patent reason. E.G. If it's hot, if it's cold, if it rains. if it snows, if there is a drought, if there are floods, etc,etc, - manmade global warming is the cause every time! Of course I do not favour man-made pollution, including sticking tons of expensive, unsightly and pointless rusting metal wind turbines in the sea off the coast (or anywhere else for that matter). But bring on the next volcanic eruption, I think you will find Mother Nature runs the pollution show better than us as well.[/p][/quote]Um muscliffeman chap have you ever heard of global dimming? I was like you until I read up about it. Do some research then you will understand the massive sting in the tail that we face over co2 and manmade pollutant reduction and the reversal of global dimming which has caused a 4% rise in light getting through the atmosphere over tha past decade. This is proven and once you get your head around global dimming which has been known about since the 1950ies the scam which you think it is will be blown away. I think your one of the older generation who has wasted all the fossil fuels and wants to wash his hands of any responsibility to pay for it.[/p][/quote]I am aware of this 'dimming' aspect of the man-made global warming theory (and repeat I do not defend man-made pollution). But, the investigation on this subject has only been carried out since the mid-fifties, less than a milli-milli second in the planets lifetime of climate evolution. And this work is presumably undertaken by scientists dependant on governments for their funding (jobs). So finding nothing amiss really is not a good career move. A classic 'green' research problem. muscliffman

11:45pm Sun 19 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

Yes, global dimming due to aerial pollutants was/is real as is that caused by aircraft con trail seeding of high level cloud. (Cloud is by far a better insulator than Co2).
Oddly tho` the chorus change from AGW to CC due to lack of supporting evidence rather coincided with the claimed 4% improvement in atmospheric light transmission.
Was it then that pollutants were causing the claimed GW and not the Co2?
Otherwise, you put anyone on a well paid mission to find signs of extra terrestrial visitation to Earth you can be sure..........
Yes, global dimming due to aerial pollutants was/is real as is that caused by aircraft con trail seeding of high level cloud. (Cloud is by far a better insulator than Co2). Oddly tho` the chorus change from AGW to CC due to lack of supporting evidence rather coincided with the claimed 4% improvement in atmospheric light transmission. Was it then that pollutants were causing the claimed GW and not the Co2? Otherwise, you put anyone on a well paid mission to find signs of extra terrestrial visitation to Earth you can be sure.......... a.g.o.g.

11:46pm Sun 19 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

Yes, global dimming due to aerial pollutants was/is real as is that caused by aircraft con trail seeding of high level cloud. (Cloud is by far a better insulator than Co2).
Oddly tho` the chorus change from AGW to CC due to lack of supporting evidence rather coincided with the claimed 4% improvement in atmospheric light transmission.
Was it then that pollutants were causing the claimed GW and not the Co2?
Otherwise, you put anyone on a well paid mission to find signs of extra terrestrial visitation to Earth you can be sure..........
Yes, global dimming due to aerial pollutants was/is real as is that caused by aircraft con trail seeding of high level cloud. (Cloud is by far a better insulator than Co2). Oddly tho` the chorus change from AGW to CC due to lack of supporting evidence rather coincided with the claimed 4% improvement in atmospheric light transmission. Was it then that pollutants were causing the claimed GW and not the Co2? Otherwise, you put anyone on a well paid mission to find signs of extra terrestrial visitation to Earth you can be sure.......... a.g.o.g.

12:14am Mon 20 Aug 12

Stop Press says...

Why spoil something as naturally beautiful as the vista that is Poole Bay? The view from Hengistbury Head to Swanage is special and should be treated as such. Windmill generators can improve a boring outlook and perhaps even be a pleasant distraction, but please not there in constant view, permanently reminding us of the greed of energy companies, foreign or otherwise.
Why spoil something as naturally beautiful as the vista that is Poole Bay? The view from Hengistbury Head to Swanage is special and should be treated as such. Windmill generators can improve a boring outlook and perhaps even be a pleasant distraction, but please not there in constant view, permanently reminding us of the greed of energy companies, foreign or otherwise. Stop Press

9:35am Mon 20 Aug 12

CynicalSteve says...

Redgolfer00 wrote:
saynomore wrote:
Well said I agree with everthing you have said,we would all still be living in mud huts if the nimbys are listened to.Never mind "I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” The nimbys are acting like spoilt chidren in my opinion.
Just because we do not play the ''tune'' that you pair want us to do, why are we ''Nimbys'' !!!.
Why do the people of Dorset have to have those eyesores on our doorstep, why not produce ALL the facts concerning the site and then let the people of Dorset decide, please do not trust the idiots who produced the Reef, Imax and all the other C-----S to make decisions that effect all of our lives.
"why are we NIMBYs !!!. Why do the people of Dorset have to have these eyesores on our doorstep"
Classic. I think you might've just answered your own question there.
This article is about people not being given the facts, which is slightly ironic, because reading through the majority of these comments, there are an awful lot of people that don't know very much about this subject at all but still feel the need to try and influence the opinions of others.
Renewable energy is the harvesting of natural resources to create the energy that we need in our daily lives at a very small envirnmental cost. Yes you could have slightly cheaper energy if you relied solely on gas, although there would be both environmental and supply security implications were we as a country to go down that road, which is why the policy makers have rather sensibly not taken that course.
I'm completely fed up of hearing from selfish people that want to turn their lights and their computer on a daily basis, but aren't prepared to live with the consequences of doing so. How do you think the residents of the Goole valley feel being surrounded by coal power stations (which incidentally make wind turbines look small by comparison). The age of cheap energy is over, and it's about time we started making sensible decisions for the future rather than short sighted ones that will give us cheap energy this year or next year but will have serious implicaions for future generations.
There is absolutely no technical reason why this country could not operate on 100% renewable energy, it just takes the right attitude and willingness to look further than 5 years into the future.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer00[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: Well said I agree with everthing you have said,we would all still be living in mud huts if the nimbys are listened to.Never mind "I told them some months ago they were treating local people, businesses and the public sector with contempt, treating us with extreme naivety, treating us as though we were children.” The nimbys are acting like spoilt chidren in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Just because we do not play the ''tune'' that you pair want us to do, why are we ''Nimbys'' !!!. Why do the people of Dorset have to have those eyesores on our doorstep, why not produce ALL the facts concerning the site and then let the people of Dorset decide, please do not trust the idiots who produced the Reef, Imax and all the other C-----S to make decisions that effect all of our lives.[/p][/quote]"why are we NIMBYs !!!. Why do the people of Dorset have to have these eyesores on our doorstep" Classic. I think you might've just answered your own question there. This article is about people not being given the facts, which is slightly ironic, because reading through the majority of these comments, there are an awful lot of people that don't know very much about this subject at all but still feel the need to try and influence the opinions of others. Renewable energy is the harvesting of natural resources to create the energy that we need in our daily lives at a very small envirnmental cost. Yes you could have slightly cheaper energy if you relied solely on gas, although there would be both environmental and supply security implications were we as a country to go down that road, which is why the policy makers have rather sensibly not taken that course. I'm completely fed up of hearing from selfish people that want to turn their lights and their computer on a daily basis, but aren't prepared to live with the consequences of doing so. How do you think the residents of the Goole valley feel being surrounded by coal power stations (which incidentally make wind turbines look small by comparison). The age of cheap energy is over, and it's about time we started making sensible decisions for the future rather than short sighted ones that will give us cheap energy this year or next year but will have serious implicaions for future generations. There is absolutely no technical reason why this country could not operate on 100% renewable energy, it just takes the right attitude and willingness to look further than 5 years into the future. CynicalSteve

12:31pm Mon 20 Aug 12

geoffrey says...

There are many reasons one might object to a windfarm. The fact that an offshore windfarm would be visible is probably the silliest of all. Good grief,it will be MILES away.
There are many reasons one might object to a windfarm. The fact that an offshore windfarm would be visible is probably the silliest of all. Good grief,it will be MILES away. geoffrey

1:29pm Mon 20 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

You may be miles away pal but the "realization" photo heading this article tells how it will appear on our local horizons more than well enough!
You may be miles away pal but the "realization" photo heading this article tells how it will appear on our local horizons more than well enough! a.g.o.g.

11:05pm Mon 20 Aug 12

Yankee1 says...

The have no 'facts' - only projections which, like statistics, can be measured in any way to suit the party involved.

This is a boondoggle. A red herring. I would sooner see tidal generators at the mouths of Poole and Christchurch Harbours. At least that power will be consistent,. except at slack tides.
The have no 'facts' - only projections which, like statistics, can be measured in any way to suit the party involved. This is a boondoggle. A red herring. I would sooner see tidal generators at the mouths of Poole and Christchurch Harbours. At least that power will be consistent,. except at slack tides. Yankee1

11:09pm Mon 20 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

Yankee1 wrote:
The have no 'facts' - only projections which, like statistics, can be measured in any way to suit the party involved. This is a boondoggle. A red herring. I would sooner see tidal generators at the mouths of Poole and Christchurch Harbours. At least that power will be consistent,. except at slack tides.
And consistently low when not unfortunatlely.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: The have no 'facts' - only projections which, like statistics, can be measured in any way to suit the party involved. This is a boondoggle. A red herring. I would sooner see tidal generators at the mouths of Poole and Christchurch Harbours. At least that power will be consistent,. except at slack tides.[/p][/quote]And consistently low when not unfortunatlely. a.g.o.g.

12:16pm Tue 21 Aug 12

Finbarr Finkelstein says...

I had a cold call the other day from some company trying to sell me "carbon credits" as an investment. I could not even pretend to understand how that works
I had a cold call the other day from some company trying to sell me "carbon credits" as an investment. I could not even pretend to understand how that works Finbarr Finkelstein

1:12pm Tue 21 Aug 12

a.g.o.g. says...

Finbarr Finkelstein wrote:
I had a cold call the other day from some company trying to sell me "carbon credits" as an investment. I could not even pretend to understand how that works
you pay, they play. I beleive......
[quote][p][bold]Finbarr Finkelstein[/bold] wrote: I had a cold call the other day from some company trying to sell me "carbon credits" as an investment. I could not even pretend to understand how that works[/p][/quote]you pay, they play. I beleive...... a.g.o.g.

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