VIDEO: Brothers who took six chickens on stag do prosecuted after "prank" goes wrong (From Bournemouth Echo)

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Do you have chicken and spam?

What's the definition of a chicken and egg sandwich? A mother and child reunion...! (Sick!)

And what about the 'member of the hotel staff' who 'ushered ' them outside to their doom? No responsibility there?

Anyway, it's interesting to compare the fines imposed with those given for stabbings, killing someone with a car etc.

No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Who in their right mind thinks a great way to spend a stag night is stealing chickens!??? What on earth is wrong with people like this!?

These fowl louts need to get referred to a social worker and be up before the beak. .... the way the minds of these louts work they should be penned up in a cage.

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Well said Adrian. That is exactly the argument I use when there is a discussion concerning the treatment of animals. I simply tell people: "If you are a strict vegan - ie no leather shoes, bags, sofa, milk, butter etc. etc. I will respect you and enter into a discussion with you, but if you are not, you are a hypocrite". It usually shuts people up. By the way I am not a vegan, but neither am I a hypocryte.

Having seen the state of battery chickens, at least those that died got a road trip and a party before they died.

I have to agree with Old Colonial, there needs to be much more consistency in fines and convictions, at the moment these convictions and fines seem comparatively heavy handed and disproportionate.

Do the chickens have large talons?

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BournemouthMum wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Well said Adrian. That is exactly the argument I use when there is a discussion concerning the treatment of animals. I simply tell people: "If you are a strict vegan - ie no leather shoes, bags, sofa, milk, butter etc. etc. I will respect you and enter into a discussion with you, but if you are not, you are a hypocrite". It usually shuts people up. By the way I am not a vegan, but neither am I a hypocryte.

I fail to see the connection between food production which is vital for survival ( no doubt conditions could be improved but their are laws to protect livestock in this country) and the yobbish and cruel disregard shown to these chickens. I do not consider myself a hypocrite therefore and find your comments crase and stupid not to mention worrying in your total disregard for the welfare of the fowl.

step up wrote:

BournemouthMum wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Well said Adrian. That is exactly the argument I use when there is a discussion concerning the treatment of animals. I simply tell people: "If you are a strict vegan - ie no leather shoes, bags, sofa, milk, butter etc. etc. I will respect you and enter into a discussion with you, but if you are not, you are a hypocrite". It usually shuts people up. By the way I am not a vegan, but neither am I a hypocryte.

I fail to see the connection between food production which is vital for survival ( no doubt conditions could be improved but their are laws to protect livestock in this country) and the yobbish and cruel disregard shown to these chickens. I do not consider myself a hypocrite therefore and find your comments crase and stupid not to mention worrying in your total disregard for the welfare of the fowl.

Does that include halal methods of slaughter? And I think you mean 'crass' not crase!

Craig Barnett, 23, and his 21-year-old brother Bradley are equaly sick humans same as the upton Park fawn murderes.

BournemouthMum wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Well said Adrian. That is exactly the argument I use when there is a discussion concerning the treatment of animals. I simply tell people: "If you are a strict vegan - ie no leather shoes, bags, sofa, milk, butter etc. etc. I will respect you and enter into a discussion with you, but if you are not, you are a hypocrite". It usually shuts people up. By the way I am not a vegan, but neither am I a hypocryte.

you're saying, in your stolid comments, that non vegans are comparable to animal abusers?

some really callow, ignorant posters on here. well done.

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Adrian and Bournemouthmum, you both sound like a couple of arrogant fools. Why are you of the opinion that unless one is a strict vegan, they are not entitled to an opinion on animal welfare? What an awful judgemental and silly attitude.

Animals are an inherent part of the food chain. Whether one chooses to eat meat is a personal choice. The important thing is that the animal is reared in a healthy, safe environment and is afforded a level of care that allows them a decent quality of life - as many are. You seem to be confusing this with active neglect and abuse of an animal and concluding that they both constitute cruelty?

Blurring together controlled, responsible farming, with cruelty shows your naivety and lack of compassion for an animal. And judging a persons right to an opinion based solely around the proviso that by eating meat one automatically negates any moral standing to speak in favour of an animal's welfare shows not only a complete contempt and misunderstanding for the subject but also unfortunately, for the animal too.

LordLilliput wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Adrian and Bournemouthmum, you both sound like a couple of arrogant fools. Why are you of the opinion that unless one is a strict vegan, they are not entitled to an opinion on animal welfare? What an awful judgemental and silly attitude.

Animals are an inherent part of the food chain. Whether one chooses to eat meat is a personal choice. The important thing is that the animal is reared in a healthy, safe environment and is afforded a level of care that allows them a decent quality of life - as many are. You seem to be confusing this with active neglect and abuse of an animal and concluding that they both constitute cruelty?

Blurring together controlled, responsible farming, with cruelty shows your naivety and lack of compassion for an animal. And judging a persons right to an opinion based solely around the proviso that by eating meat one automatically negates any moral standing to speak in favour of an animal's welfare shows not only a complete contempt and misunderstanding for the subject but also unfortunately, for the animal too.

Oh dear! I suggest you educate yourself about what REALLY goes on in the farming industry and slaughter of livestock. The horrendous conditions hens are kept in, not to mention some animals being fully conscious when their throat is cut and dying in agonising pain. I suggest you watch the videos which are freely availably on the internet (as I have) then return and continue your argument. My bet is that you'll choose not to though and will prefer to stay comfortably ignorant. I eat meat, but I am not ignorant about it.

LordLilliput wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Adrian and Bournemouthmum, you both sound like a couple of arrogant fools. Why are you of the opinion that unless one is a strict vegan, they are not entitled to an opinion on animal welfare? What an awful judgemental and silly attitude.

Animals are an inherent part of the food chain. Whether one chooses to eat meat is a personal choice. The important thing is that the animal is reared in a healthy, safe environment and is afforded a level of care that allows them a decent quality of life - as many are. You seem to be confusing this with active neglect and abuse of an animal and concluding that they both constitute cruelty?

Blurring together controlled, responsible farming, with cruelty shows your naivety and lack of compassion for an animal. And judging a persons right to an opinion based solely around the proviso that by eating meat one automatically negates any moral standing to speak in favour of an animal's welfare shows not only a complete contempt and misunderstanding for the subject but also unfortunately, for the animal too.

Oh dear! I suggest you educate yourself about what REALLY goes on in the farming industry and slaughter of livestock. The horrendous conditions hens are kept in, not to mention some animals being fully conscious when their throat is cut and dying in agonising pain. I suggest you watch the videos which are freely available on the internet (as I have) then return and continue your argument. My bet is that you'll choose not to though and will prefer to stay comfortably ignorant. I eat meat, but I am not ignorant about it.

BournemouthMum wrote:

LordLilliput wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Adrian and Bournemouthmum, you both sound like a couple of arrogant fools. Why are you of the opinion that unless one is a strict vegan, they are not entitled to an opinion on animal welfare? What an awful judgemental and silly attitude.

Animals are an inherent part of the food chain. Whether one chooses to eat meat is a personal choice. The important thing is that the animal is reared in a healthy, safe environment and is afforded a level of care that allows them a decent quality of life - as many are. You seem to be confusing this with active neglect and abuse of an animal and concluding that they both constitute cruelty?

Blurring together controlled, responsible farming, with cruelty shows your naivety and lack of compassion for an animal. And judging a persons right to an opinion based solely around the proviso that by eating meat one automatically negates any moral standing to speak in favour of an animal's welfare shows not only a complete contempt and misunderstanding for the subject but also unfortunately, for the animal too.

Oh dear! I suggest you educate yourself about what REALLY goes on in the farming industry and slaughter of livestock. The horrendous conditions hens are kept in, not to mention some animals being fully conscious when their throat is cut and dying in agonising pain. I suggest you watch the videos which are freely available on the internet (as I have) then return and continue your argument. My bet is that you'll choose not to though and will prefer to stay comfortably ignorant. I eat meat, but I am not ignorant about it.

Sorry, you're showing your naivety again.

No one is denying there are shameful practices that occur in certain parts of the industry as they do in every industry - not just farming. And to assume that meat eaters are ignorant of this fact is sweepingly stupid.

The point you were making before you started getting over dramatic is that those who choose to consume meat (and it is not difficult to eat ethically farmed produce I will add) have no moral standing to pass comment on an animals welfare.

Why do you think that?

Old Colonial wrote:
And what about the 'member of the hotel staff' who 'ushered ' them outside to their doom? No responsibility there?

Anyway, it's interesting to compare the fines imposed with those given for stabbings, killing someone with a car etc.

Err exactly what would you have them do?? I'm sure the hotel doesn't have a precedent for chicken removal. I'm sure their main priority was getting them out of the lobby, plus it's hardly their fault if some idiots bring chickens into the hotel is it??

LordLilliput wrote:

BournemouthMum wrote:

LordLilliput wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Adrian and Bournemouthmum, you both sound like a couple of arrogant fools. Why are you of the opinion that unless one is a strict vegan, they are not entitled to an opinion on animal welfare? What an awful judgemental and silly attitude.

Animals are an inherent part of the food chain. Whether one chooses to eat meat is a personal choice. The important thing is that the animal is reared in a healthy, safe environment and is afforded a level of care that allows them a decent quality of life - as many are. You seem to be confusing this with active neglect and abuse of an animal and concluding that they both constitute cruelty?

Blurring together controlled, responsible farming, with cruelty shows your naivety and lack of compassion for an animal. And judging a persons right to an opinion based solely around the proviso that by eating meat one automatically negates any moral standing to speak in favour of an animal's welfare shows not only a complete contempt and misunderstanding for the subject but also unfortunately, for the animal too.

Oh dear! I suggest you educate yourself about what REALLY goes on in the farming industry and slaughter of livestock. The horrendous conditions hens are kept in, not to mention some animals being fully conscious when their throat is cut and dying in agonising pain. I suggest you watch the videos which are freely available on the internet (as I have) then return and continue your argument. My bet is that you'll choose not to though and will prefer to stay comfortably ignorant. I eat meat, but I am not ignorant about it.

Sorry, you're showing your naivety again.

No one is denying there are shameful practices that occur in certain parts of the industry as they do in every industry - not just farming. And to assume that meat eaters are ignorant of this fact is sweepingly stupid.

The point you were making before you started getting over dramatic is that those who choose to consume meat (and it is not difficult to eat ethically farmed produce I will add) have no moral standing to pass comment on an animals welfare.

Why do you think that?

exactly right.
the comment that people who aren't strict vegans have no right to have objections to animal abuse is completely ridiculous and childish.

Animals have the right to be tasty!

spose our very good friend wally/foina is eating at kenturky frie chicken

sorry john if this rufells your feathers.

You lot, obviously, have never had a deep, meaningful conversation with a chicken.
Do you know why?
Because a chicken cant talk (only to other chickens).
When I was a kid my old man raised a lot of chickens.
We used to sell their eggs, wring their necks, pluck them and pull their guts out.
I know a lot about chickens. If you put them in a dark place (in a box in the back of a car for instance) they go to sleep. That is why foxes are so succesful in raiding hen-houses.
All of you sad (ignorant) people, and that includes the judge, dont know what the hell they are talking about!

the comment that people who aren't strict vegans have no right to have objections to animal abuse is completely ridiculous and childish.

You're missing the point. Everyone has the right to object to anything - no one is curtailing your right to comment.

The real point is that some people are objecting to something that is not as "abusive" as current farming practice. People will happily tolerate animal "abuse" when it suits them because they want a cheap meal, but as soon as they can actually see it happening (or read reports of it happening) even if it is to far less a degree than is currently happening in poultry production plants, they object.

Why is keeping chickens in the boot of a car more abusive than keeping them in battery cages? It simply is not.

It's not that there are "shameful practices that occur in certain parts of the industry" - that's not what I am talking about. It's the every day practices occurring on every poultry and egg production unit which are "worse" than what these two brother are accused of.

I still hold that it is hypocritical for people to complain about this behaviour but put it to the back of their minds when it suits them.

I totally agree with elite50, who clearly knows something about chicken behaviour.

Adrian XX wrote:

the comment that people who aren't strict vegans have no right to have objections to animal abuse is completely ridiculous and childish.

You're missing the point. Everyone has the right to object to anything - no one is curtailing your right to comment.

The real point is that some people are objecting to something that is not as "abusive" as current farming practice. People will happily tolerate animal "abuse" when it suits them because they want a cheap meal, but as soon as they can actually see it happening (or read reports of it happening) even if it is to far less a degree than is currently happening in poultry production plants, they object.

Why is keeping chickens in the boot of a car more abusive than keeping them in battery cages? It simply is not.

It's not that there are "shameful practices that occur in certain parts of the industry" - that's not what I am talking about. It's the every day practices occurring on every poultry and egg production unit which are "worse" than what these two brother are accused of.

I still hold that it is hypocritical for people to complain about this behaviour but put it to the back of their minds when it suits them.

I totally agree with elite50, who clearly knows something about chicken behaviour.

In fairness Adrian, it was Bournemouthmum who said that unless you were vegan she would not enter into discussion or respect any views you held on animal welfare.

That said, i do not think it is right to assume that all poultry or eggs consumed are intensively farmed. It is quite possible to buy free range chicken and eggs albeit at a premium price.

I think the responsibility is equally with the consumer to ensure that if you eat meat, poultry and eggs, you ensure to the best of your ability that it's origins are ethical and the animal has been provided with a decent and natural existence.

If people were to make slightly more effort to buy outside of supermarkets and spend a little more money on their chosen foods then the welfare of livestock would increase dramatically. That, I realise is unlikely to happen..

So whilst I do not agree that all of us who choose to eat meat are being hypocritical I accept that the those who dote upon their cat, dog or whatever like a child - and then buy the cheapest meat regardless of it's origins really should make a lot more effort to ensure that the animals they eat are ethically and responsibly farmed. Are these people hypocrites? Yes, I would say they are. But I still maintain that it is possible to eat meat responsibly and hold a genuine concern for the welfare of animals.

BournemouthMum wrote:

Adrian XX wrote:

step up wrote:
No excuse for tormenting mute and defenceless animals. They are total dependant on our goodwill and to ignore that fact is indefensible. So five hours of fear in a car followed by six hours of fear in a bathroom only to be sent out into the night without a clue where they were or what to do. And the result a petty fine. Think they should a have had a suspended jail sentence to wake the yobs up to the fact that we don't accept this behaviour and for lying about gift for mother. Thugs

Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical since far "worse" things happen in chicken and egg production.

We don't know where the chickens came from - perhaps running free outside was the high point in their lives.

Well said Adrian. That is exactly the argument I use when there is a discussion concerning the treatment of animals. I simply tell people: "If you are a strict vegan - ie no leather shoes, bags, sofa, milk, butter etc. etc. I will respect you and enter into a discussion with you, but if you are not, you are a hypocrite". It usually shuts people up. By the way I am not a vegan, but neither am I a hypocryte.

So only vegans are allowed to be concerned about animal cruelty now? What utter nonsense.

"The brothers had claimed the chickens were intended to be a present for their mother and had denied they were carrying out a prank."

Nice try I suppose!

I am a strict vegan (except that I eat chicken, pork, beef and fish). Therefore I think I am fully qualified to talk about the subject of animals and the eating of the animals that I am talking about.

It seems to me that the size of an animal makes a difference as to whether or not you should eat it. If an animal is smaller than a chicken (i.e. a bug or a rat), you don’t see people eating those. If the animal is bigger than a cow (i.e. a hippo, shire horse or a whale) you don’t see people eating those either. The only exception to this are dogs that are bigger than rats but smaller than shire horses. People will not eat those as they have human faces and remind them of their friends and family.

Who says that this hypocritical stance is correct and that people should not eat animals smaller than a chicken but bigger than an adult hippo. I am a vegan so my conscious is clear. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME?????

At times like this I have to ask, what would Jesus do?

Adrian XX wrote:

the comment that people who aren't strict vegans have no right to have objections to animal abuse is completely ridiculous and childish.

You're missing the point. Everyone has the right to object to anything - no one is curtailing your right to comment. The real point is that some people are objecting to something that is not as "abusive" as current farming practice. People will happily tolerate animal "abuse" when it suits them because they want a cheap meal, but as soon as they can actually see it happening (or read reports of it happening) even if it is to far less a degree than is currently happening in poultry production plants, they object. Why is keeping chickens in the boot of a car more abusive than keeping them in battery cages? It simply is not. It's not that there are "shameful practices that occur in certain parts of the industry" - that's not what I am talking about. It's the every day practices occurring on every poultry and egg production unit which are "worse" than what these two brother are accused of. I still hold that it is hypocritical for people to complain about this behaviour but put it to the back of their minds when it suits them. I totally agree with elite50, who clearly knows something about chicken behaviour.

'Unless you are a strict vegan, I think your comment is hypocritical'

jeebuscripes wrote:
At times like this I have to ask, what would Jesus do?

Probably turn some water into wine or a neat dovetail joint