It's yes to controversial BCCA plans

Controversial plans to turn BCCA into flats

Controversial plans to turn BCCA into flats

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CONTROVERSIAL plans to replace the Bournemouth Centre for Community Arts building with affordable homes have won approval, following a heated two-hour council chamber debate.

The former school, between Haviland Road and Gladstone Road in Boscombe, has been empty since Bournemouth council said it was too expensive to repair in 2007.

Despite impassioned pleas from local residents, business and performing arts representatives and the Friends of the BCCA, the Bournemouth 2026 Partnership was granted permission to bulldoze the existing buildings, with the exception of the Grade II listed school.

The school hall will be refurbished to provide an arts and culture hub with an orchard, allotments and a car park also planned.

Council planning officers recommended that the scheme be approved, despite 938 objections being sent to the Town Hall.

In a deputation to the council’s planning board, Bournemouth 2026 chairman Bob Boulton described the arts and culture hub as a “catalyst for regeneration.”

But local resident Gary Palmer said: “The BCCA belongs to the people of Bournemouth; a positive community spirit is key to solving Boscombe’s problems.”

Linda Ni’Man from the Friends of BCCA, inset, warned: “This is our last chance, when it’s gone, it’s gone and Boscombe goes down the pan with it.”

Landlord Ralph Grundy said: “I don’t believe that the demolition of the BCCA and subsequent building of 11 small property units will aid the regeneration of Boscombe.”

Planning officer Barry Carse stressed that the listed building would be saved, adding: “This is a scheme worthy of support.”

Cllr Roger West’s move to refuse the application was seconded by Cllr Linda Bailey but failed to win support.

A subsequent move by Cllr Mike Greene, seconded by Cllr Lynda Price, to grant approval was carried by five votes to two.

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10:34am Wed 20 Jun 12

Anneaa says...

Another indication of the total lack of respect for the local residents by the so called Council!!
Another indication of the total lack of respect for the local residents by the so called Council!! Anneaa
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10:46am Wed 20 Jun 12

The Renegade Master says...

The approved plans are a win win for Boscombe and a victory for common sense. Affordable housing AND a community centre and all at no expense to local tax payers.
The alternate proposals from the "Friends of BCCA" were never going to be viable and would sooner or later have ended up costing us tax payers our hard earned money.... and for what? A building that would have ended up being as under used as it was before.
The approved plans are a win win for Boscombe and a victory for common sense. Affordable housing AND a community centre and all at no expense to local tax payers. The alternate proposals from the "Friends of BCCA" were never going to be viable and would sooner or later have ended up costing us tax payers our hard earned money.... and for what? A building that would have ended up being as under used as it was before. The Renegade Master
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10:57am Wed 20 Jun 12

Baywolf says...

The Renegade Master wrote:
The approved plans are a win win for Boscombe and a victory for common sense. Affordable housing AND a community centre and all at no expense to local tax payers.
The alternate proposals from the "Friends of BCCA" were never going to be viable and would sooner or later have ended up costing us tax payers our hard earned money.... and for what? A building that would have ended up being as under used as it was before.
Well said that man, BCCA will still have a community arts centre which would be far better utilised and have even more possible users and members after the homes have been built.
[quote][p][bold]The Renegade Master[/bold] wrote: The approved plans are a win win for Boscombe and a victory for common sense. Affordable housing AND a community centre and all at no expense to local tax payers. The alternate proposals from the "Friends of BCCA" were never going to be viable and would sooner or later have ended up costing us tax payers our hard earned money.... and for what? A building that would have ended up being as under used as it was before.[/p][/quote]Well said that man, BCCA will still have a community arts centre which would be far better utilised and have even more possible users and members after the homes have been built. Baywolf
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12:02pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

Appalling. Democracy in action I don't think. Interesting that the 3 local Boscombe East Councillors had nothing to say. 700 people voted for each of these weasels. 938 people in their ward voted against demolision by writing in objections. So the local councillors should have spoke on behalf of their constituency. They didn't. in fact Chris Wakefield and Jane Kelly turned up to watch looking very smug. Remember Jane Kelly is part of the Land Trust that wants to demolish the site so no surprise there. Chris wakefield has been campaigning on behalf of demolition by spreading lies in the area about the cost of reopening and that an opened BCCA would put local businesses out of business, he was also a planning consultant for the Charles Higgins Trust, interesting how he pushed through the Shelley Manor project, which has been an unmitigated disaster, once he became councillor. Who got the permission to build? Charles Higgins Trust of course. watch him on Meridian News on you tube talking about preserving heritage, pity he couldn't hold the same position regarding BCCA. This man cares not being caught out in lies, remember it was this man's comments that sent the protestors into the building in the first place. Our Major Phil Stanley Watts who has spoken out and marched on behalf of BCCA, has said nothing, he is dependant. like many councillors, on the extra income that being a committee member brings in, he knows full well that if he speaks out he will lose his positions and so his income. Many councillors are controlled by cabinet in this way. Councillor David Kelsey ran the meeting, apparently better than Beesley who managed to wriggle out of corruption charges by not declaring private interests at planning meetings and now is head of the council. David Kelsey told the group how he would vote ( for demolision) before it was even put to vote, as he is also the conservative whip, we can see that this was a cynical gesture imposing the whip on party members. Mike Geen and linda price reflected this cynicism by blaming cabinet for the plans and absolving themselves from all responsibility, despite legitimate objections made by the brave Roger West and seconded by Linda Bailey, at least 2 councillors were prepared to stick their neck out against this corruption, Roger even said that it was a cynical move by cabinet to close the centre 5 years ago. Beesley and co knew 5 years agio that they wanted the land to fulfill affordable housing quota's. trust the cabinet that sold our infrastructure to near-bankrupt Mouchel, trust the people that brought you the surf reef, the shelley manor project the 10 pound Imax demolition, the loss of the incredible winter gardens, bullying from Peter Charon, and corruption and scandal by the truckload. These people do not care about the poor or the deprived they only care about their money and investments and those of their pals.. keep voting for these people and go back to sleep whilst Boscombe goes to hell in a handbasket.
Appalling. Democracy in action I don't think. Interesting that the 3 local Boscombe East Councillors had nothing to say. 700 people voted for each of these weasels. 938 people in their ward voted against demolision by writing in objections. So the local councillors should have spoke on behalf of their constituency. They didn't. in fact Chris Wakefield and Jane Kelly turned up to watch looking very smug. Remember Jane Kelly is part of the Land Trust that wants to demolish the site so no surprise there. Chris wakefield has been campaigning on behalf of demolition by spreading lies in the area about the cost of reopening and that an opened BCCA would put local businesses out of business, he was also a planning consultant for the Charles Higgins Trust, interesting how he pushed through the Shelley Manor project, which has been an unmitigated disaster, once he became councillor. Who got the permission to build? Charles Higgins Trust of course. watch him on Meridian News on you tube talking about preserving heritage, pity he couldn't hold the same position regarding BCCA. This man cares not being caught out in lies, remember it was this man's comments that sent the protestors into the building in the first place. Our Major Phil Stanley Watts who has spoken out and marched on behalf of BCCA, has said nothing, he is dependant. like many councillors, on the extra income that being a committee member brings in, he knows full well that if he speaks out he will lose his positions and so his income. Many councillors are controlled by cabinet in this way. Councillor David Kelsey ran the meeting, apparently better than Beesley who managed to wriggle out of corruption charges by not declaring private interests at planning meetings and now is head of the council. David Kelsey told the group how he would vote ( for demolision) before it was even put to vote, as he is also the conservative whip, we can see that this was a cynical gesture imposing the whip on party members. Mike Geen and linda price reflected this cynicism by blaming cabinet for the plans and absolving themselves from all responsibility, despite legitimate objections made by the brave Roger West and seconded by Linda Bailey, at least 2 councillors were prepared to stick their neck out against this corruption, Roger even said that it was a cynical move by cabinet to close the centre 5 years ago. Beesley and co knew 5 years agio that they wanted the land to fulfill affordable housing quota's. trust the cabinet that sold our infrastructure to near-bankrupt Mouchel, trust the people that brought you the surf reef, the shelley manor project the 10 pound Imax demolition, the loss of the incredible winter gardens, bullying from Peter Charon, and corruption and scandal by the truckload. These people do not care about the poor or the deprived they only care about their money and investments and those of their pals.. keep voting for these people and go back to sleep whilst Boscombe goes to hell in a handbasket. Tom 'Boscombe' Jones
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12:21pm Wed 20 Jun 12

hrryseccombe says...

I've been asked to post my deputation (2minutes) with accompanying notes, here it is ...

Good Afternoon, My name is Harry Seccombe, I am the owner of Chaplin's Wine Bar in Boscombe, last year’s overall winner of Bournemouth’s Best Bar None and Best community Pub, and I put on original live music 7 days a week and support local musicians to the tune of £50,000+ a year. I have been here for 5 years and am an example of a flourishing Boscombe business. My fiancée is a local artist and published Author. I am also the founding chairman of East Bournemouth Pubwatch, a member of Friends of Roumelia Lane. I was also a long standing committee member of BARG which is now the BCIC. I am part owner of the largest independent builders merchant in the country, (where I cut my teeth as a nipper) and have a degree in Developmental Psychology. I have also lived and worked in areas where regeneration has happened or been attempted, most notably Brixton, Brighton and Croydon.
I have spoke to hundreds of local residents and business people in Boscombe over this issue and have personally collected over 500 signatures on a petition requesting the re-opening of the BCCA, and so I believe I believe I can speak with some authority for the businesses and community of Boscombe.
I have looked around the BCCA site several times recently and I remember it when it was functioning as the BCCA. It is a beautiful and structurally sound 22 room Victorian building, with a lovely theatre/cinema space. It is of historical significance, which is something money can’t buy, and was the first LEA backed childrens theatre in the country with Dame Sybil Thorndike as patron. It is across the road from the soon to be refurbished new “Bus Hub” in Boscombe and I could see it easily running successfully as a community centre, permanent arts exhibition and workshop space, a local theatre/arts cinema (hopefully in conjunction with the hopefully soon to be redeveloped Shelley manor theatre) and wet weather facilities for tourists such as an indoor play area and a small Shelley museum show casing local historical figures, as they do in Bath with Jane Austin. The Japanese particularly love Shelley. We are lucky to have a site of historical significance and community value and it should not be wasted. The site should be re-opened or put out to tender to be used for community and arts use or education and the covenants placed on it by Shelley should be respected. It should also be listed as a community asset as David Cameron’s Localism Bill intends.
A venture such as this is much needed and the influx of Bournemouth residents and tourists will help local businesses immeasurably as well as the needs of artists and residents.
I have read the case officer’s report, and I find parts of it to be misleading and so I advise applying serious critical analysis to the conclusions. For example in B3 4.9 it states that the site is unlikely to ever re-open in a viable and functional way and is not backed by any evidence, I know of several interested parties and so I find this to be untrue. In 4.11 of B2 it is stated that there are 19 community facilities and these aren’t running to capacity, as 4 of these are bars/restaurants including my own, this is deceptive and only one is available for private hire at great cost namely the O2 academy (opera House) and the Shelley theatre is not yet been restored.
Also the council officer quotes from research in America stating that a single arts centre is not needed but neglects to mention other parts of the report which stresses the need for permanent affordable workshop rehearsal and exhibition space and harnessing a quality of distinctiveness in an area ( which the BCCA has in historical ‘spades’ with its links to Shelley. The council’s measures of using empty shops will not be permanent but transient and temporary and will have no lasting effect. If the council is serious about regeneration they will reject this application or otherwise admit that the council’s plans are about decline management and not regeneration.

Accompanying notes..

• B’mth Council in their Corporate Plan state a clear intention to regenerate Boscombe via the creative industries, for example, out of 8 stated aims, 1 is in regard to skills training in the industry, 3 are related to the administration processing to cultivate this, whilst the remaining 4 all centre entirely on the encouragement of the creative industries. So the reality is that the Council’s business plan – if you like – is to regenerate Boscombe via the creative industries.
• I have a personal and business interest in the creative industry; I have a keen interest in culture and art of many kinds, my partner is a recognised, working artist and I had a business in Brighton – an area well known and financially dependant and thriving due to its arts and culture - but it is my business interest that I wish to focus on with regard to the BCCA.
• My business has flourished and has continued to do so – I believe - as I have recognised and encouraged performing artists to my bar, however, I cannot provide for all the artists who wish to perform in Chaplin’s ….and performing artists alone do not make for a creative industry or culture and certainly not for a creative area.
• To the majority of local business people the business case for a reopened BCCA to encourage tourists to Boscombe and thereby increase trade and provide much needed jobs seems obvious. We need to provide permanent, affordable workshops, rehearsal and exhibition space which is centrally located and also as a focal point for tourists in order to encourage our fledgling artists, and to grow and sustain Arts and Culture in Boscombe.
• The BCCA is perfectly located, large enough to fulfil this role, perfectly designed for it and it has historic links, which can be harnessed to attract tourists to Boscombe.
• The Council Officer cites research from the National Endowment for the Arts as stating there is no need for a “single arts centre..”…. well that might be true in areas that already have plenty of permanent, affordable, workshops and exhibition and rehearsal spaces, ……because that is the biggest factor that leads to success or failure with regard to regeneration via the Creative Industries. How do I know?
• Because the research conducted in America that the Council Officer quotes from…states just that.
• It states that once an area is regenerated via the creative industries it can become gentrified thus displacing the creatives and therefore seeing the end of the very thing that brings economic growth to the area….which is permanent, affordable, workshop, exhibition, and rehearsal space. To avoid this, the research states that:
• “There are, however, creative ways to guard against displacement or respond to it. In the Hollywood case, the City’s Community Redevelopment Agency responded with an innovative Arts Retention Program. To keep them affordable and committed to artists, non-profit developer Artspace Projects commits to owning and managing the artist live/work and studio buildings that it builds and renovates. Land banking and community land trust have been used in other locales to preserve arts and cultural renovations.”
So the research the Officer quotes is stating that studio space is so vital to successful regeneration ….so very essential to its very existence….that cities have even bought and renovated studios in order to preserve their arts and cultural renovation.
The provision of permanent, affordable space for artists is of course the very argument BCCA Friends and the community are making in regard to ensuring successful regeneration via the Creative Industries ….yet this need of provision for appropriate space to ensure the industries’ growth, is in contradiction to what the Council Officer has understood from the research.
Additionally, the research the Officer quotes, focuses a great deal on how to provide what it calls ‘placemaking’, which is basically branding a place or making it widely and uniquely known. The research has found that the most successful creative placemaking is achieved by:
….projects which reach for a quality of distinctiveness….a
nd which focus on the community’s characteristics of place such as its unique local economic or social history…..
• Boscombe’s uniqueness is its historic tie to the Shelley family, and, therefore, as Sir Percy Florence Shelley signed a deed with Covenants, which promise the BCCA’s land and buildings to be ‘forever’ for the benefit the people of Boscombe….we should be using that aspect as our “unique social history” to provide successful creative placemaking as the research, ….which the Officer quotes, …has found to be one of the key factors for successful regeneration.
• So the research which the Officer quotes provides 2 key aspects for successful regeneration via the creative industries:
1. Permanent, affordable workshop space
2. Harnessing a quality of distinctiveness to the area
The BCCA can provide for the both …and no other venue in the area can…not even if the Shelley Theatre were to ever reopen could it do so…..
So the first, permanent, affordable workshop, rehearsal and exhibition space can be provided in the BCCA and as for the second factor….Boscombe distinctiveness .. that is the strong tie to the Shelley family …but only …..only….the BCCA has a specific link with a historic promise made by Sir Percy Florence Shelley in regard to its continued use made to the people of Boscombe…..and for the people of Boscombe
The findings in this research is also confirmed by research conducted not just in the USA but throughout the world jointly by The London Metropolitan University and the University of Toronto…..yet again, without a doubt the main factor in ensuring successful regeneration is to provide permanent, affordable workshop, rehearsal and exhibition space….
Further research commission specifically regarding B’mth and Poole in 2007, emphasises the need for ‘creative industries workspace and activity space ..’
We have so many artists, graduates and young professionals, who come to live in the area. But they don’t stay long enough for their presence to make a long-term positive influence for economic growth….we are constantly losing our assets…our young, creative people. Creative individuals produce not only paintings, and pottery but furniture, computer programmes, films, adverts, they are architects and entrepeneurs, the business people of our future and Boscombe constantly loses them by the score…because we don’t provide them with the most important thing they require in order to develop, flourish and stay…permanent, affordable, space.
So from a business perspective, the research informs us what is required….what leads to success and what leads to failure….we want the success story …and we need to encourage sustainable growth
It is clear that there is a market for our product…the product being the Creative Industries in Boscombe…and Bmth Council also recognise this too…..and certainly my own business informs me financially that is so. National financial projections also inform us that the so called ‘staycation’ will remain for some years to come as Brits are staying in Britain for their holidays…..so what does Boscombe have to offer which is unique to attract tourists to it…and what might be a disadvantage that Boscombe has?
Well, Boscombe does have a fantastic beach to attract tourists but there are no wet-weather attractions in Boscombe and there are no unique facilities that would attract tourists to come specifically to Boscombe …..but there could be.
The BCCA could not only provide workshops and so on for artists but they could be joined by tourists taking part in various art classes. Artists have readily agreed to this arrangement.
A museum to the Shelley family could also be provided within the BCCA to further harness this fantastic and unique link and provide an attraction as well as activities for children on holiday and for those who are living in Boscombe.
Could a reopened BCCA be the death of other venues and organisations….tha
t is the fear that the Council Officer raises? I firmly believe it’s a false fear and not one based on many years of operating successful businesses. All the research that I have referred to and the research paper the Officer has referred to himself advocates many venues or clusters as being the way forward for successful growth in the creative industry; what one venue can provide another may not…but that venue can provide something different…just as my businesses have thrived simply because they have not been the only place to go…..but because I offer something unique…so too will these other organisations and venues benefit from the BCCA being reopened…..other venues should not be fearful of what the BCCA can offer but rather look to what they have that the BCCA cannot offer..maybe never …or maybe that week…or that day or night.
The Officer and the Council now say the BCCA Friends’ business case is not sound and if that is what they believe, then with the destruction of such a vital asset now being considered, it has to be asked: “Why not put the BCCA up for a tendering process but with the specific aim that it must provide for the artists in Boscombe, harness its historic link to the Shelley family, be also used to attract tourists and also provide for the community?”
Once the BCCA has been destroyed there is no way back….and the 3 rooms that this plan intends to leave cannot fulfil the role that is required according to the research …and I hope the Planning Board will note that there is not one other venue in Boscombe nor in Bournemouth as a whole that can fulfil this role. The decision that is made today really does determine the success or failure of Boscombe
I've been asked to post my deputation (2minutes) with accompanying notes, here it is ... Good Afternoon, My name is Harry Seccombe, I am the owner of Chaplin's Wine Bar in Boscombe, last year’s overall winner of Bournemouth’s Best Bar None and Best community Pub, and I put on original live music 7 days a week and support local musicians to the tune of £50,000+ a year. I have been here for 5 years and am an example of a flourishing Boscombe business. My fiancée is a local artist and published Author. I am also the founding chairman of East Bournemouth Pubwatch, a member of Friends of Roumelia Lane. I was also a long standing committee member of BARG which is now the BCIC. I am part owner of the largest independent builders merchant in the country, (where I cut my teeth as a nipper) and have a degree in Developmental Psychology. I have also lived and worked in areas where regeneration has happened or been attempted, most notably Brixton, Brighton and Croydon. I have spoke to hundreds of local residents and business people in Boscombe over this issue and have personally collected over 500 signatures on a petition requesting the re-opening of the BCCA, and so I believe I believe I can speak with some authority for the businesses and community of Boscombe. I have looked around the BCCA site several times recently and I remember it when it was functioning as the BCCA. It is a beautiful and structurally sound 22 room Victorian building, with a lovely theatre/cinema space. It is of historical significance, which is something money can’t buy, and was the first LEA backed childrens theatre in the country with Dame Sybil Thorndike as patron. It is across the road from the soon to be refurbished new “Bus Hub” in Boscombe and I could see it easily running successfully as a community centre, permanent arts exhibition and workshop space, a local theatre/arts cinema (hopefully in conjunction with the hopefully soon to be redeveloped Shelley manor theatre) and wet weather facilities for tourists such as an indoor play area and a small Shelley museum show casing local historical figures, as they do in Bath with Jane Austin. The Japanese particularly love Shelley. We are lucky to have a site of historical significance and community value and it should not be wasted. The site should be re-opened or put out to tender to be used for community and arts use or education and the covenants placed on it by Shelley should be respected. It should also be listed as a community asset as David Cameron’s Localism Bill intends. A venture such as this is much needed and the influx of Bournemouth residents and tourists will help local businesses immeasurably as well as the needs of artists and residents. I have read the case officer’s report, and I find parts of it to be misleading and so I advise applying serious critical analysis to the conclusions. For example in B3 4.9 it states that the site is unlikely to ever re-open in a viable and functional way and is not backed by any evidence, I know of several interested parties and so I find this to be untrue. In 4.11 of B2 it is stated that there are 19 community facilities and these aren’t running to capacity, as 4 of these are bars/restaurants including my own, this is deceptive and only one is available for private hire at great cost namely the O2 academy (opera House) and the Shelley theatre is not yet been restored. Also the council officer quotes from research in America stating that a single arts centre is not needed but neglects to mention other parts of the report which stresses the need for permanent affordable workshop rehearsal and exhibition space and harnessing a quality of distinctiveness in an area ( which the BCCA has in historical ‘spades’ with its links to Shelley. The council’s measures of using empty shops will not be permanent but transient and temporary and will have no lasting effect. If the council is serious about regeneration they will reject this application or otherwise admit that the council’s plans are about decline management and not regeneration. Accompanying notes.. • B’mth Council in their Corporate Plan state a clear intention to regenerate Boscombe via the creative industries, for example, out of 8 stated aims, 1 is in regard to skills training in the industry, 3 are related to the administration processing to cultivate this, whilst the remaining 4 all centre entirely on the encouragement of the creative industries. So the reality is that the Council’s business plan – if you like – is to regenerate Boscombe via the creative industries. • I have a personal and business interest in the creative industry; I have a keen interest in culture and art of many kinds, my partner is a recognised, working artist and I had a business in Brighton – an area well known and financially dependant and thriving due to its arts and culture - but it is my business interest that I wish to focus on with regard to the BCCA. • My business has flourished and has continued to do so – I believe - as I have recognised and encouraged performing artists to my bar, however, I cannot provide for all the artists who wish to perform in Chaplin’s ….and performing artists alone do not make for a creative industry or culture and certainly not for a creative area. • To the majority of local business people the business case for a reopened BCCA to encourage tourists to Boscombe and thereby increase trade and provide much needed jobs seems obvious. We need to provide permanent, affordable workshops, rehearsal and exhibition space which is centrally located and also as a focal point for tourists in order to encourage our fledgling artists, and to grow and sustain Arts and Culture in Boscombe. • The BCCA is perfectly located, large enough to fulfil this role, perfectly designed for it and it has historic links, which can be harnessed to attract tourists to Boscombe. • The Council Officer cites research from the National Endowment for the Arts as stating there is no need for a “single arts centre..”…. well that might be true in areas that already have plenty of permanent, affordable, workshops and exhibition and rehearsal spaces, ……because that is the biggest factor that leads to success or failure with regard to regeneration via the Creative Industries. How do I know? • Because the research conducted in America that the Council Officer quotes from…states just that. • It states that once an area is regenerated via the creative industries it can become gentrified thus displacing the creatives and therefore seeing the end of the very thing that brings economic growth to the area….which is permanent, affordable, workshop, exhibition, and rehearsal space. To avoid this, the research states that: • “There are, however, creative ways to guard against displacement or respond to it. In the Hollywood case, the City’s Community Redevelopment Agency responded with an innovative Arts Retention Program. To keep them affordable and committed to artists, non-profit developer Artspace Projects commits to owning and managing the artist live/work and studio buildings that it builds and renovates. Land banking and community land trust have been used in other locales to preserve arts and cultural renovations.” So the research the Officer quotes is stating that studio space is so vital to successful regeneration ….so very essential to its very existence….that cities have even bought and renovated studios in order to preserve their arts and cultural renovation. The provision of permanent, affordable space for artists is of course the very argument BCCA Friends and the community are making in regard to ensuring successful regeneration via the Creative Industries ….yet this need of provision for appropriate space to ensure the industries’ growth, is in contradiction to what the Council Officer has understood from the research. Additionally, the research the Officer quotes, focuses a great deal on how to provide what it calls ‘placemaking’, which is basically branding a place or making it widely and uniquely known. The research has found that the most successful creative placemaking is achieved by: ….projects which reach for a quality of distinctiveness….a nd which focus on the community’s characteristics of place such as its unique local economic or social history….. • Boscombe’s uniqueness is its historic tie to the Shelley family, and, therefore, as Sir Percy Florence Shelley signed a deed with Covenants, which promise the BCCA’s land and buildings to be ‘forever’ for the benefit the people of Boscombe….we should be using that aspect as our “unique social history” to provide successful creative placemaking as the research, ….which the Officer quotes, …has found to be one of the key factors for successful regeneration. • So the research which the Officer quotes provides 2 key aspects for successful regeneration via the creative industries: 1. Permanent, affordable workshop space 2. Harnessing a quality of distinctiveness to the area The BCCA can provide for the both …and no other venue in the area can…not even if the Shelley Theatre were to ever reopen could it do so….. So the first, permanent, affordable workshop, rehearsal and exhibition space can be provided in the BCCA and as for the second factor….Boscombe distinctiveness .. that is the strong tie to the Shelley family …but only …..only….the BCCA has a specific link with a historic promise made by Sir Percy Florence Shelley in regard to its continued use made to the people of Boscombe…..and for the people of Boscombe The findings in this research is also confirmed by research conducted not just in the USA but throughout the world jointly by The London Metropolitan University and the University of Toronto…..yet again, without a doubt the main factor in ensuring successful regeneration is to provide permanent, affordable workshop, rehearsal and exhibition space…. Further research commission specifically regarding B’mth and Poole in 2007, emphasises the need for ‘creative industries workspace and activity space ..’ We have so many artists, graduates and young professionals, who come to live in the area. But they don’t stay long enough for their presence to make a long-term positive influence for economic growth….we are constantly losing our assets…our young, creative people. Creative individuals produce not only paintings, and pottery but furniture, computer programmes, films, adverts, they are architects and entrepeneurs, the business people of our future and Boscombe constantly loses them by the score…because we don’t provide them with the most important thing they require in order to develop, flourish and stay…permanent, affordable, space. So from a business perspective, the research informs us what is required….what leads to success and what leads to failure….we want the success story …and we need to encourage sustainable growth It is clear that there is a market for our product…the product being the Creative Industries in Boscombe…and Bmth Council also recognise this too…..and certainly my own business informs me financially that is so. National financial projections also inform us that the so called ‘staycation’ will remain for some years to come as Brits are staying in Britain for their holidays…..so what does Boscombe have to offer which is unique to attract tourists to it…and what might be a disadvantage that Boscombe has? Well, Boscombe does have a fantastic beach to attract tourists but there are no wet-weather attractions in Boscombe and there are no unique facilities that would attract tourists to come specifically to Boscombe …..but there could be. The BCCA could not only provide workshops and so on for artists but they could be joined by tourists taking part in various art classes. Artists have readily agreed to this arrangement. A museum to the Shelley family could also be provided within the BCCA to further harness this fantastic and unique link and provide an attraction as well as activities for children on holiday and for those who are living in Boscombe. Could a reopened BCCA be the death of other venues and organisations….tha t is the fear that the Council Officer raises? I firmly believe it’s a false fear and not one based on many years of operating successful businesses. All the research that I have referred to and the research paper the Officer has referred to himself advocates many venues or clusters as being the way forward for successful growth in the creative industry; what one venue can provide another may not…but that venue can provide something different…just as my businesses have thrived simply because they have not been the only place to go…..but because I offer something unique…so too will these other organisations and venues benefit from the BCCA being reopened…..other venues should not be fearful of what the BCCA can offer but rather look to what they have that the BCCA cannot offer..maybe never …or maybe that week…or that day or night. The Officer and the Council now say the BCCA Friends’ business case is not sound and if that is what they believe, then with the destruction of such a vital asset now being considered, it has to be asked: “Why not put the BCCA up for a tendering process but with the specific aim that it must provide for the artists in Boscombe, harness its historic link to the Shelley family, be also used to attract tourists and also provide for the community?” Once the BCCA has been destroyed there is no way back….and the 3 rooms that this plan intends to leave cannot fulfil the role that is required according to the research …and I hope the Planning Board will note that there is not one other venue in Boscombe nor in Bournemouth as a whole that can fulfil this role. The decision that is made today really does determine the success or failure of Boscombe hrryseccombe
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12:22pm Wed 20 Jun 12

The Renegade Master says...

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones wrote:
Appalling. Democracy in action I don't think. Interesting that the 3 local Boscombe East Councillors had nothing to say. 700 people voted for each of these weasels. 938 people in their ward voted against demolision by writing in objections. So the local councillors should have spoke on behalf of their constituency. They didn't. in fact Chris Wakefield and Jane Kelly turned up to watch looking very smug. Remember Jane Kelly is part of the Land Trust that wants to demolish the site so no surprise there. Chris wakefield has been campaigning on behalf of demolition by spreading lies in the area about the cost of reopening and that an opened BCCA would put local businesses out of business, he was also a planning consultant for the Charles Higgins Trust, interesting how he pushed through the Shelley Manor project, which has been an unmitigated disaster, once he became councillor. Who got the permission to build? Charles Higgins Trust of course. watch him on Meridian News on you tube talking about preserving heritage, pity he couldn't hold the same position regarding BCCA. This man cares not being caught out in lies, remember it was this man's comments that sent the protestors into the building in the first place. Our Major Phil Stanley Watts who has spoken out and marched on behalf of BCCA, has said nothing, he is dependant. like many councillors, on the extra income that being a committee member brings in, he knows full well that if he speaks out he will lose his positions and so his income. Many councillors are controlled by cabinet in this way. Councillor David Kelsey ran the meeting, apparently better than Beesley who managed to wriggle out of corruption charges by not declaring private interests at planning meetings and now is head of the council. David Kelsey told the group how he would vote ( for demolision) before it was even put to vote, as he is also the conservative whip, we can see that this was a cynical gesture imposing the whip on party members. Mike Geen and linda price reflected this cynicism by blaming cabinet for the plans and absolving themselves from all responsibility, despite legitimate objections made by the brave Roger West and seconded by Linda Bailey, at least 2 councillors were prepared to stick their neck out against this corruption, Roger even said that it was a cynical move by cabinet to close the centre 5 years ago. Beesley and co knew 5 years agio that they wanted the land to fulfill affordable housing quota's. trust the cabinet that sold our infrastructure to near-bankrupt Mouchel, trust the people that brought you the surf reef, the shelley manor project the 10 pound Imax demolition, the loss of the incredible winter gardens, bullying from Peter Charon, and corruption and scandal by the truckload. These people do not care about the poor or the deprived they only care about their money and investments and those of their pals.. keep voting for these people and go back to sleep whilst Boscombe goes to hell in a handbasket.
Those protesting against the plans for the BCCA are in the minority, so democracy has been well served by the decision to replace this derelict, previously under used eye sore with affordable housing, that the area desperately needs, and the renovation of the listed part of the building as a community centre.
You long winded rant at various councillors is nothing but a pointless diatribe that proves nothing except your own personal dislike and distrust of authority.
[quote][p][bold]Tom 'Boscombe' Jones[/bold] wrote: Appalling. Democracy in action I don't think. Interesting that the 3 local Boscombe East Councillors had nothing to say. 700 people voted for each of these weasels. 938 people in their ward voted against demolision by writing in objections. So the local councillors should have spoke on behalf of their constituency. They didn't. in fact Chris Wakefield and Jane Kelly turned up to watch looking very smug. Remember Jane Kelly is part of the Land Trust that wants to demolish the site so no surprise there. Chris wakefield has been campaigning on behalf of demolition by spreading lies in the area about the cost of reopening and that an opened BCCA would put local businesses out of business, he was also a planning consultant for the Charles Higgins Trust, interesting how he pushed through the Shelley Manor project, which has been an unmitigated disaster, once he became councillor. Who got the permission to build? Charles Higgins Trust of course. watch him on Meridian News on you tube talking about preserving heritage, pity he couldn't hold the same position regarding BCCA. This man cares not being caught out in lies, remember it was this man's comments that sent the protestors into the building in the first place. Our Major Phil Stanley Watts who has spoken out and marched on behalf of BCCA, has said nothing, he is dependant. like many councillors, on the extra income that being a committee member brings in, he knows full well that if he speaks out he will lose his positions and so his income. Many councillors are controlled by cabinet in this way. Councillor David Kelsey ran the meeting, apparently better than Beesley who managed to wriggle out of corruption charges by not declaring private interests at planning meetings and now is head of the council. David Kelsey told the group how he would vote ( for demolision) before it was even put to vote, as he is also the conservative whip, we can see that this was a cynical gesture imposing the whip on party members. Mike Geen and linda price reflected this cynicism by blaming cabinet for the plans and absolving themselves from all responsibility, despite legitimate objections made by the brave Roger West and seconded by Linda Bailey, at least 2 councillors were prepared to stick their neck out against this corruption, Roger even said that it was a cynical move by cabinet to close the centre 5 years ago. Beesley and co knew 5 years agio that they wanted the land to fulfill affordable housing quota's. trust the cabinet that sold our infrastructure to near-bankrupt Mouchel, trust the people that brought you the surf reef, the shelley manor project the 10 pound Imax demolition, the loss of the incredible winter gardens, bullying from Peter Charon, and corruption and scandal by the truckload. These people do not care about the poor or the deprived they only care about their money and investments and those of their pals.. keep voting for these people and go back to sleep whilst Boscombe goes to hell in a handbasket.[/p][/quote]Those protesting against the plans for the BCCA are in the minority, so democracy has been well served by the decision to replace this derelict, previously under used eye sore with affordable housing, that the area desperately needs, and the renovation of the listed part of the building as a community centre. You long winded rant at various councillors is nothing but a pointless diatribe that proves nothing except your own personal dislike and distrust of authority. The Renegade Master
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12:23pm Wed 20 Jun 12

makingsenseofitall says...

So lets just see how this stacks up as logical:
1. B'mth Council have said they are aiding Arts and Culture to regenerate Boscombe (see their Corporate Plan at 4.2)
2. There are no workshops in Boscombe artists can work in - unless they are very wealthy!
3. Regenerated areas elsewhere have ensured artists had cheap workshops at the centre of the area so they don't leave the area
4. The BCCA has workshops AND its has HISTORY we could use to get tourists to come to...Sir Percy Florence Shelley which is available online left a Deed that promised the BCCA
to the people for them to use.
5. The 3 rooms are not enough space nor are they the right kind of rooms that artists can use

Finally, I'd like everyone to think about what Bob Boulton and B'mth Council is actually saying and that is..."The DESTRUCTION of the Arts Centre will be a 'catalyst for regeneration'" ....Can anyone make sense of that???
Did the conversation with his best mates B'mth Council go something like this?
"What can we provide as a magnet to draw tourists to Boscombe and really get our creative industry blooming...and take ?" says Council Leader Weasley.
"Gosh, Johnny my bestest, bestest friend," replies Bob prostated in front of his Leader ..as is the way prescribed...."I will do whatever it takes and for whatever might come out of it that is best for you (and me) ...just slide some words out of your mouth and I will crawl away and do it."
"Let's destroy the Arts Centre and build houses...the tourists will flock here in droves."
Bob replies, "Sounds like a plan, who else can we involve...I have a friend up the road who might like a slice of pie.."
Beasley's eyes narrow, "Don't forget whose pie this is, Bob" he says will a growl.
So lets just see how this stacks up as logical: 1. B'mth Council have said they are aiding Arts and Culture to regenerate Boscombe (see their Corporate Plan at 4.2) 2. There are no workshops in Boscombe artists can work in - unless they are very wealthy! 3. Regenerated areas elsewhere have ensured artists had cheap workshops at the centre of the area so they don't leave the area 4. The BCCA has workshops AND its has HISTORY we could use to get tourists to come to...Sir Percy Florence Shelley which is available online left a Deed that promised the BCCA to the people for them to use. 5. The 3 rooms are not enough space nor are they the right kind of rooms that artists can use Finally, I'd like everyone to think about what Bob Boulton and B'mth Council is actually saying and that is..."The DESTRUCTION of the Arts Centre will be a 'catalyst for regeneration'" ....Can anyone make sense of that??? Did the conversation with his best mates B'mth Council go something like this? "What can we provide as a magnet to draw tourists to Boscombe and really get our creative industry blooming...and take ?" says Council Leader Weasley. "Gosh, Johnny my bestest, bestest friend," replies Bob prostated in front of his Leader ..as is the way prescribed...."I will do whatever it takes and for whatever might come out of it that is best for you (and me) ...just slide some words out of your mouth and I will crawl away and do it." "Let's destroy the Arts Centre and build houses...the tourists will flock here in droves." Bob replies, "Sounds like a plan, who else can we involve...I have a friend up the road who might like a slice of pie.." Beasley's eyes narrow, "Don't forget whose pie this is, Bob" he says will a growl. makingsenseofitall
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12:50pm Wed 20 Jun 12

BIGTONE says...

Now it finally all makes sense to me.
A planning officer with arse in his name......
Now it finally all makes sense to me. A planning officer with arse in his name...... BIGTONE
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1:26pm Wed 20 Jun 12

fartycat says...

BCCA was underused because of the Council! I know of several arts organisations who approached the council wishing to be housed at BCCA and pay rent for the privilege. They were all turned down. I later heard that this was the councils policy - to deliberately underuse the facility so that it could be argued that it wasn't wanted. The council did the very same thing to the Winter Gardens.
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Bournemouth Council; putting the boot into culture since the 80's.
BCCA was underused because of the Council! I know of several arts organisations who approached the council wishing to be housed at BCCA and pay rent for the privilege. They were all turned down. I later heard that this was the councils policy - to deliberately underuse the facility so that it could be argued that it wasn't wanted. The council did the very same thing to the Winter Gardens. . Bournemouth Council; putting the boot into culture since the 80's. fartycat
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1:27pm Wed 20 Jun 12

makingsenseofitall says...

The Renegade Master says,
"Those protesting against the plans for the BCCA are in the minority, so democracy has been well served by the decision to replace this derelict, previously under used eye sore..." etc. etc.

1. 938 objections against and only 2 for it...so unless you are unable to count that means the majority don't want it.

2. It is not derelict and EVEN if it was....it is about the business potential of what can be achieved
The Renegade Master says, "Those protesting against the plans for the BCCA are in the minority, so democracy has been well served by the decision to replace this derelict, previously under used eye sore..." etc. etc. 1. 938 objections against and only 2 for it...so unless you are unable to count that means the majority don't want it. 2. It is not derelict and EVEN if it was....it is about the business potential of what can be achieved makingsenseofitall
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1:47pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

The Renegade Master wrote:
Tom 'Boscombe' Jones wrote:
Appalling. Democracy in action I don't think. Interesting that the 3 local Boscombe East Councillors had nothing to say. 700 people voted for each of these weasels. 938 people in their ward voted against demolision by writing in objections. So the local councillors should have spoke on behalf of their constituency. They didn't. in fact Chris Wakefield and Jane Kelly turned up to watch looking very smug. Remember Jane Kelly is part of the Land Trust that wants to demolish the site so no surprise there. Chris wakefield has been campaigning on behalf of demolition by spreading lies in the area about the cost of reopening and that an opened BCCA would put local businesses out of business, he was also a planning consultant for the Charles Higgins Trust, interesting how he pushed through the Shelley Manor project, which has been an unmitigated disaster, once he became councillor. Who got the permission to build? Charles Higgins Trust of course. watch him on Meridian News on you tube talking about preserving heritage, pity he couldn't hold the same position regarding BCCA. This man cares not being caught out in lies, remember it was this man's comments that sent the protestors into the building in the first place. Our Major Phil Stanley Watts who has spoken out and marched on behalf of BCCA, has said nothing, he is dependant. like many councillors, on the extra income that being a committee member brings in, he knows full well that if he speaks out he will lose his positions and so his income. Many councillors are controlled by cabinet in this way. Councillor David Kelsey ran the meeting, apparently better than Beesley who managed to wriggle out of corruption charges by not declaring private interests at planning meetings and now is head of the council. David Kelsey told the group how he would vote ( for demolision) before it was even put to vote, as he is also the conservative whip, we can see that this was a cynical gesture imposing the whip on party members. Mike Geen and linda price reflected this cynicism by blaming cabinet for the plans and absolving themselves from all responsibility, despite legitimate objections made by the brave Roger West and seconded by Linda Bailey, at least 2 councillors were prepared to stick their neck out against this corruption, Roger even said that it was a cynical move by cabinet to close the centre 5 years ago. Beesley and co knew 5 years agio that they wanted the land to fulfill affordable housing quota's. trust the cabinet that sold our infrastructure to near-bankrupt Mouchel, trust the people that brought you the surf reef, the shelley manor project the 10 pound Imax demolition, the loss of the incredible winter gardens, bullying from Peter Charon, and corruption and scandal by the truckload. These people do not care about the poor or the deprived they only care about their money and investments and those of their pals.. keep voting for these people and go back to sleep whilst Boscombe goes to hell in a handbasket.
Those protesting against the plans for the BCCA are in the minority, so democracy has been well served by the decision to replace this derelict, previously under used eye sore with affordable housing, that the area desperately needs, and the renovation of the listed part of the building as a community centre.
You long winded rant at various councillors is nothing but a pointless diatribe that proves nothing except your own personal dislike and distrust of authority.
aha looking back at other related articles your position is quite clear and also quite inflammatory. your voice is one of 2 supporters who have ever written in the comments section of the echo in support of this, maybe yours was one of the only 2 letters of support. You surely must have a vested interest, hence the nom de plume? since when did 938 people against and 2 people for a cause make those against in a minority? Also your co-supporter Baywolf (or could it be co-councillor perhaps) says that a reduction from 22 rooms to 3 will lead to having more possible users, is it some kind of new fangled tardis community hub that can fit them all in? fire regs in the listed building only allows 25 people at one time? your logic and reasoning sound like council speak and gives you away....
[quote][p][bold]The Renegade Master[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom 'Boscombe' Jones[/bold] wrote: Appalling. Democracy in action I don't think. Interesting that the 3 local Boscombe East Councillors had nothing to say. 700 people voted for each of these weasels. 938 people in their ward voted against demolision by writing in objections. So the local councillors should have spoke on behalf of their constituency. They didn't. in fact Chris Wakefield and Jane Kelly turned up to watch looking very smug. Remember Jane Kelly is part of the Land Trust that wants to demolish the site so no surprise there. Chris wakefield has been campaigning on behalf of demolition by spreading lies in the area about the cost of reopening and that an opened BCCA would put local businesses out of business, he was also a planning consultant for the Charles Higgins Trust, interesting how he pushed through the Shelley Manor project, which has been an unmitigated disaster, once he became councillor. Who got the permission to build? Charles Higgins Trust of course. watch him on Meridian News on you tube talking about preserving heritage, pity he couldn't hold the same position regarding BCCA. This man cares not being caught out in lies, remember it was this man's comments that sent the protestors into the building in the first place. Our Major Phil Stanley Watts who has spoken out and marched on behalf of BCCA, has said nothing, he is dependant. like many councillors, on the extra income that being a committee member brings in, he knows full well that if he speaks out he will lose his positions and so his income. Many councillors are controlled by cabinet in this way. Councillor David Kelsey ran the meeting, apparently better than Beesley who managed to wriggle out of corruption charges by not declaring private interests at planning meetings and now is head of the council. David Kelsey told the group how he would vote ( for demolision) before it was even put to vote, as he is also the conservative whip, we can see that this was a cynical gesture imposing the whip on party members. Mike Geen and linda price reflected this cynicism by blaming cabinet for the plans and absolving themselves from all responsibility, despite legitimate objections made by the brave Roger West and seconded by Linda Bailey, at least 2 councillors were prepared to stick their neck out against this corruption, Roger even said that it was a cynical move by cabinet to close the centre 5 years ago. Beesley and co knew 5 years agio that they wanted the land to fulfill affordable housing quota's. trust the cabinet that sold our infrastructure to near-bankrupt Mouchel, trust the people that brought you the surf reef, the shelley manor project the 10 pound Imax demolition, the loss of the incredible winter gardens, bullying from Peter Charon, and corruption and scandal by the truckload. These people do not care about the poor or the deprived they only care about their money and investments and those of their pals.. keep voting for these people and go back to sleep whilst Boscombe goes to hell in a handbasket.[/p][/quote]Those protesting against the plans for the BCCA are in the minority, so democracy has been well served by the decision to replace this derelict, previously under used eye sore with affordable housing, that the area desperately needs, and the renovation of the listed part of the building as a community centre. You long winded rant at various councillors is nothing but a pointless diatribe that proves nothing except your own personal dislike and distrust of authority.[/p][/quote]aha looking back at other related articles your position is quite clear and also quite inflammatory. your voice is one of 2 supporters who have ever written in the comments section of the echo in support of this, maybe yours was one of the only 2 letters of support. You surely must have a vested interest, hence the nom de plume? since when did 938 people against and 2 people for a cause make those against in a minority? Also your co-supporter Baywolf (or could it be co-councillor perhaps) says that a reduction from 22 rooms to 3 will lead to having more possible users, is it some kind of new fangled tardis community hub that can fit them all in? fire regs in the listed building only allows 25 people at one time? your logic and reasoning sound like council speak and gives you away.... Tom 'Boscombe' Jones
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1:59pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Bob49 says...

Renegade Master in posting up misleading information 'shock', whatever next ?


The pigs in Animal Farm had Squealer, unfortunately the best Bournemouth Council can get is RM.

Still, it's not a post many would covet so I suppose they have to be grateful someone will do it for them.
Renegade Master in posting up misleading information 'shock', whatever next ? The pigs in Animal Farm had Squealer, unfortunately the best Bournemouth Council can get is RM. Still, it's not a post many would covet so I suppose they have to be grateful someone will do it for them. Bob49
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2:32pm Wed 20 Jun 12

monkeyboy9 says...

Renegade Master says, “Affordable housing AND a community centre and all at no expense to local tax payers.” If only what you say was true. The truth is as follows:

1) The land is owned by the people of Bournemouth and will be given to the developer free of charge = cost to taxpayer
2) The cost of demolishing the buildings and clearing the site has to be paid = cost to taxpayer
3) All of the 11 houses will be “affordable” i.e. no profit = cost to taxpayer
4) No money is available for the arts Hub and is too small to generate its own funding = cost to taxpayer
5) The scheme will do nothing to regenerate Boscombe leading to further problems = cost to taxpayer

The alternative was to let the BCCA remain and give the BCCA’s self funding business plan a chance. This wouldn’t have cost the taxpayer a penny.

Please Mr Renegade Master. Have a little think before you post.
Renegade Master says, “Affordable housing AND a community centre and all at no expense to local tax payers.” If only what you say was true. The truth is as follows: 1) The land is owned by the people of Bournemouth and will be given to the developer free of charge = cost to taxpayer 2) The cost of demolishing the buildings and clearing the site has to be paid = cost to taxpayer 3) All of the 11 houses will be “affordable” i.e. no profit = cost to taxpayer 4) No money is available for the arts Hub and is too small to generate its own funding = cost to taxpayer 5) The scheme will do nothing to regenerate Boscombe leading to further problems = cost to taxpayer The alternative was to let the BCCA remain and give the BCCA’s self funding business plan a chance. This wouldn’t have cost the taxpayer a penny. Please Mr Renegade Master. Have a little think before you post. monkeyboy9
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2:52pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Songul Bekir says...

Who is this Renegade Master? A purported local resident who does not have the guts to show his name and speaks utter nonsense. This article is biased in a subtle way because while it voiced some of the concerns about the protest it missed the crucial points.
Firstly the planning department have not followed due process as the committee of councillors were not given a copy of Mrs Ni'man's objections and deputation, which included a copy of the original deed which has a convenant stating that the site should be preserved for educational purposes, as bequeathed by the poet Shelley. Nowhere does the Echo mention that the so called area for the community centre is a tiny part of the site.
Mrs Ni'man also raised a safety issue as one of the buildings to be demolished has asbestos in its roof and the plan has not adequately allowed for this. (So Renegade Master if you live near the site perhaps you should hold your breath and keep quiet so you don't end up with lung cancer)
Mrs Ni'man also raised that part of the plan for the demolition will also destroy an existing dwelling namely 70A Gladstone Road which is used as a dwelling and which the planning officer incorrectly thought was 72 Gladstone Road!
My concerns with process was that despite regularly walking past the centre I do not recall seeing planning notices declaring the new plans. On the website the original plan for the BCCA has been withdrawn which gives the impression that the council had no intention of doing anything. I attended this planning board and now have the planning numbers for these two applications and when I looked them up I saw that they were posted on 29/02/2012!!! With no notices put up, clearly the council hoped to sneak it by, as evidenced by their failure to present the councillors with a copy of Mrs Ni'man's objections. Surprise surprise on the website there are no additional documents or objections because no-one knew they were there.
I was kindly allowed to speak on Gary Palmer's deputation and I made the point that the area is already over run with cheap housing in which people are miserable. The main issue of contention is parking which is already over subscribed in my area and should be one of the FIRST things a planning committee should consider. This site proposes to build 11 dwellings with 8 parking spaces for residents! How many families do you know that only have one car? (So Renegade Master, not only do you need to hold onto your breath be prepared to argue on a daily basis over having your drive blocked, that is if you actually do live in Boscombe.)
The Echo also failed to mention the comments of Cllr West and Cllr Bailey. The first stated that he felt due process had not been followed by the planning department which is why he could not support it, and Cllr Bailey stated that Mr Boulton had FAILED to consult the residents of Boscombe EAST where this development is actually located.
I note that in the same edition of today's Echo Cllr Kelsey who chaired this planning board meeting is concerned that Bournemouth Football Club is going to go ahead with their car park development irrespective of planning consent. Cllr Kelsey's main concern is guess what?, Parking on the surrounding streets during football matches. This illustrates two points, firstly how out of touch these elected officials are with what goes on in their town, because the streets get clogged up anyway when the football is on. And secondly the residents of the nice respectable leafy Littledown Avenue have more clout than the impoverished residents of Boscombe East presumably because they pay more council tax.
I spoke to the reporter who wrote up this story before the meeting who denied that the Echo had ignored this story and stated that it is impartial. I would question this because the whole tenor of the story portrays it as a done deal and this is not how it was left. The quote from Mrs Ni'man is out of context and misleading I can hardly believe that this reporter was at the same meeting. Your paper is overtly supporting property development and this specific development as you mention Boscombe house prices in the same edition stating that the cabinet is considering the drop compared to the rest of Bournemouth. It is a blatant support of this poorly thought out development that has been bulldozered through correct process. I often listen to the Editor of the Echo spouting on about the Boscombe Regeneration on Wave 105. There is none and when I challenge it as a resident who is Bournemouth born and has lived here since 2003, I am ignored. Why? Who is the Echo really supporting? I have watched the systematic destruction of Boscombe by council decisions and I came to the planning board meeting on Monday (set at 3pm to exclude many from attending) to put my concerns to the council. They heard me but they did not listen and I suggest that your reporter must have been playing on her smartphone during this meeting because she missed the main points of what was discussed by a country mile.
Who is this Renegade Master? A purported local resident who does not have the guts to show his name and speaks utter nonsense. This article is biased in a subtle way because while it voiced some of the concerns about the protest it missed the crucial points. Firstly the planning department have not followed due process as the committee of councillors were not given a copy of Mrs Ni'man's objections and deputation, which included a copy of the original deed which has a convenant stating that the site should be preserved for educational purposes, as bequeathed by the poet Shelley. Nowhere does the Echo mention that the so called area for the community centre is a tiny part of the site. Mrs Ni'man also raised a safety issue as one of the buildings to be demolished has asbestos in its roof and the plan has not adequately allowed for this. (So Renegade Master if you live near the site perhaps you should hold your breath and keep quiet so you don't end up with lung cancer) Mrs Ni'man also raised that part of the plan for the demolition will also destroy an existing dwelling namely 70A Gladstone Road which is used as a dwelling and which the planning officer incorrectly thought was 72 Gladstone Road! My concerns with process was that despite regularly walking past the centre I do not recall seeing planning notices declaring the new plans. On the website the original plan for the BCCA has been withdrawn which gives the impression that the council had no intention of doing anything. I attended this planning board and now have the planning numbers for these two applications and when I looked them up I saw that they were posted on 29/02/2012!!! With no notices put up, clearly the council hoped to sneak it by, as evidenced by their failure to present the councillors with a copy of Mrs Ni'man's objections. Surprise surprise on the website there are no additional documents or objections because no-one knew they were there. I was kindly allowed to speak on Gary Palmer's deputation and I made the point that the area is already over run with cheap housing in which people are miserable. The main issue of contention is parking which is already over subscribed in my area and should be one of the FIRST things a planning committee should consider. This site proposes to build 11 dwellings with 8 parking spaces for residents! How many families do you know that only have one car? (So Renegade Master, not only do you need to hold onto your breath be prepared to argue on a daily basis over having your drive blocked, that is if you actually do live in Boscombe.) The Echo also failed to mention the comments of Cllr West and Cllr Bailey. The first stated that he felt due process had not been followed by the planning department which is why he could not support it, and Cllr Bailey stated that Mr Boulton had FAILED to consult the residents of Boscombe EAST where this development is actually located. I note that in the same edition of today's Echo Cllr Kelsey who chaired this planning board meeting is concerned that Bournemouth Football Club is going to go ahead with their car park development irrespective of planning consent. Cllr Kelsey's main concern is guess what?, Parking on the surrounding streets during football matches. This illustrates two points, firstly how out of touch these elected officials are with what goes on in their town, because the streets get clogged up anyway when the football is on. And secondly the residents of the nice respectable leafy Littledown Avenue have more clout than the impoverished residents of Boscombe East presumably because they pay more council tax. I spoke to the reporter who wrote up this story before the meeting who denied that the Echo had ignored this story and stated that it is impartial. I would question this because the whole tenor of the story portrays it as a done deal and this is not how it was left. The quote from Mrs Ni'man is out of context and misleading I can hardly believe that this reporter was at the same meeting. Your paper is overtly supporting property development and this specific development as you mention Boscombe house prices in the same edition stating that the cabinet is considering the drop compared to the rest of Bournemouth. It is a blatant support of this poorly thought out development that has been bulldozered through correct process. I often listen to the Editor of the Echo spouting on about the Boscombe Regeneration on Wave 105. There is none and when I challenge it as a resident who is Bournemouth born and has lived here since 2003, I am ignored. Why? Who is the Echo really supporting? I have watched the systematic destruction of Boscombe by council decisions and I came to the planning board meeting on Monday (set at 3pm to exclude many from attending) to put my concerns to the council. They heard me but they did not listen and I suggest that your reporter must have been playing on her smartphone during this meeting because she missed the main points of what was discussed by a country mile. Songul Bekir
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5:11pm Wed 20 Jun 12

pete woodley says...

I honestly cant see how 938 people signed the petition,i very much doubt if even a quarter of that number,are at all interested,and songulls comments are so childish,makes me wonder if its a wind up,can anyone be so naieve,and ignorant of certain facts.
I honestly cant see how 938 people signed the petition,i very much doubt if even a quarter of that number,are at all interested,and songulls comments are so childish,makes me wonder if its a wind up,can anyone be so naieve,and ignorant of certain facts. pete woodley
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5:12pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Songul Bekir says...

Dear Mr Woodley I cannot believe we arguing about the name of a football club when there are more important matters to consider. Thank you for calling me a girl especially since I was born in the old Victoria Hospital in 1964. That's the one on Shelley Road in case you are not sure. Most of it has been replaced by cheap housing (funny that) but the now health centre and the incerator still remain.

As for Renegade Master whoever you are, I found your comments unhelpful and inaccurate, which is why I question whether you actually live in Boscombe although I have no doubts that you are a local. I do not think I actually insulted you, I merely pointed out some health and safety advice missed by the council planning committee, and I suggested that if you were in fact local you would understand the concerns raised. It may have been done in a tongue in cheek style for which I make no apologies. It is the beauty of free speech which allows me this forum to disagree with you. I think you will find reading back the comments that others have truly insulted you, by referring to George Orwell's farm animals. I made some valid points because as I reiterate I WAS AT THE MEETING reported on in this story. I am trying to enlighten the others who on this page are attempting to have a reasoned debate, and responding to the points you have made, albeit anonymously.
As for calling me a troll that is deeply personal and whilst I have been undoubtedly sarcastic I have not made a person comment about you other than the fact that you choose to hide behind a username.
On a serious note RM, do you shop in Boscombe? Do you sit in a cafe and watch the world go by? Do you get fed up when you find itinerant people blocking your drive because they have chosen to park their car there and sleep when you are trying to get out to work in the morning? Do you have cope with antisocial tenants smoking dope on your doorstep? Have you had your property damaged because your neighbour who is addicted to marijuana lets her kids run ferral? I have experienced all of these things because I live in Boscombe. I have written to Politicians about it with no reply and I have real concerns about what is going on here. That is why I am upset about this report and that is why I have put my case on this forum albeit a bit forcefully. However I have not called anyone a 'name' as such and to be frank I am more of a Dragon rather than a troll and I make no apology for breathing fire. Especially when what I actually witnessed at the meeting I attended was a subversion of the democratic process. Wish you all the best.
Dear Mr Woodley I cannot believe we arguing about the name of a football club when there are more important matters to consider. Thank you for calling me a girl especially since I was born in the old Victoria Hospital in 1964. That's the one on Shelley Road in case you are not sure. Most of it has been replaced by cheap housing (funny that) but the now health centre and the incerator still remain. As for Renegade Master whoever you are, I found your comments unhelpful and inaccurate, which is why I question whether you actually live in Boscombe although I have no doubts that you are a local. I do not think I actually insulted you, I merely pointed out some health and safety advice missed by the council planning committee, and I suggested that if you were in fact local you would understand the concerns raised. It may have been done in a tongue in cheek style for which I make no apologies. It is the beauty of free speech which allows me this forum to disagree with you. I think you will find reading back the comments that others have truly insulted you, by referring to George Orwell's farm animals. I made some valid points because as I reiterate I WAS AT THE MEETING reported on in this story. I am trying to enlighten the others who on this page are attempting to have a reasoned debate, and responding to the points you have made, albeit anonymously. As for calling me a troll that is deeply personal and whilst I have been undoubtedly sarcastic I have not made a person comment about you other than the fact that you choose to hide behind a username. On a serious note RM, do you shop in Boscombe? Do you sit in a cafe and watch the world go by? Do you get fed up when you find itinerant people blocking your drive because they have chosen to park their car there and sleep when you are trying to get out to work in the morning? Do you have cope with antisocial tenants smoking dope on your doorstep? Have you had your property damaged because your neighbour who is addicted to marijuana lets her kids run ferral? I have experienced all of these things because I live in Boscombe. I have written to Politicians about it with no reply and I have real concerns about what is going on here. That is why I am upset about this report and that is why I have put my case on this forum albeit a bit forcefully. However I have not called anyone a 'name' as such and to be frank I am more of a Dragon rather than a troll and I make no apology for breathing fire. Especially when what I actually witnessed at the meeting I attended was a subversion of the democratic process. Wish you all the best. Songul Bekir
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5:13pm Wed 20 Jun 12

Bob49 says...

"and none of this will require OUR money to pay for it"

who is paying for the demolition ?
"and none of this will require OUR money to pay for it" who is paying for the demolition ? Bob49
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5:41pm Wed 20 Jun 12

SFF says...

I am a widow struggling to bring up my bereaved boy in Boscombe. I pay my mortgage and work. I pay my council tax. Stop feeding the trolls is right. The issue here is that while the bulldozers roll in the kids round here get more and more feral.

I have spoken to hundreds of people in Boscombe and I have not found one person in favour of this plan other than Councillor Kelly. She doesn't live in Central Boscombe so surely my view is of more weight than hers. As a working home owner she told me that we were exactly the type of families that Boscombe wants to attract and retain. So again my view should hold some weight.
We have a real opportunity with the BCCA to have a proper arts and education centre with an arts cinema and a community centre. The place is big enough to fill a great need in the area. The council is happy to invest money elsewhere in the town to improve tourism, so why not Boscombe town centre? Why is it being deliberately run down? The beach is lovely but what about wet weather activities?
I am fed up with kids round here having nothing to do accept hassle people and vandalise property. The BCCA could be used to foster community, engage those kids and engender pride. The council says it wants to regenerate the area by fostering the arts - so why demolish the arts centre? I do not understand any of this? There must be another agenda. Who is benefitting from this housing project? Noone thinks 11 rabbit hutches and an allotment the size of 3 car parking spaces (for use only by the little houses on the development) will do anything to regenerate Boscombe. So someone must be getting a kick back. This deprived community will now need to raise funds to fight the council in Court to get them to honour the covenants. We could really do with support from the Council, who should be working with the community to regenerate the area, not having to take legal action against them. Shame on anyone who voted for demolition. You were voting to steal from the children of Boscombe to line the pockets of some favoured developer. Who is supposedly funding this anyway?
I am a widow struggling to bring up my bereaved boy in Boscombe. I pay my mortgage and work. I pay my council tax. Stop feeding the trolls is right. The issue here is that while the bulldozers roll in the kids round here get more and more feral. I have spoken to hundreds of people in Boscombe and I have not found one person in favour of this plan other than Councillor Kelly. She doesn't live in Central Boscombe so surely my view is of more weight than hers. As a working home owner she told me that we were exactly the type of families that Boscombe wants to attract and retain. So again my view should hold some weight. We have a real opportunity with the BCCA to have a proper arts and education centre with an arts cinema and a community centre. The place is big enough to fill a great need in the area. The council is happy to invest money elsewhere in the town to improve tourism, so why not Boscombe town centre? Why is it being deliberately run down? The beach is lovely but what about wet weather activities? I am fed up with kids round here having nothing to do accept hassle people and vandalise property. The BCCA could be used to foster community, engage those kids and engender pride. The council says it wants to regenerate the area by fostering the arts - so why demolish the arts centre? I do not understand any of this? There must be another agenda. Who is benefitting from this housing project? Noone thinks 11 rabbit hutches and an allotment the size of 3 car parking spaces (for use only by the little houses on the development) will do anything to regenerate Boscombe. So someone must be getting a kick back. This deprived community will now need to raise funds to fight the council in Court to get them to honour the covenants. We could really do with support from the Council, who should be working with the community to regenerate the area, not having to take legal action against them. Shame on anyone who voted for demolition. You were voting to steal from the children of Boscombe to line the pockets of some favoured developer. Who is supposedly funding this anyway? SFF
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5:53pm Wed 20 Jun 12

pete woodley says...

Songul Bekir,i do indeed know the hospital, my son was born there,and i was often there in A & E
,with football injuries.But you have only LIVED here since 2003,so have a lot to learn,please dont try and make believe you know all whats been going on in this town for many years,YOU DO NOT,and being so nasty to a reporter,shows what type of person you are.As for being on the receiving end of trouble in 1978 i had my head kicked in and eye severely damaged,i have also patrolled the Gardens,and other areas for the council,as well as done security in BOSCOMBE,For two years i was chairman of tenants and leaseholders,and have also been chairman of other committees.So i think i know a little more about the town than you.I am probably wasting my time explaining to you in view of your somewhat superior attitude.
Songul Bekir,i do indeed know the hospital, my son was born there,and i was often there in A & E ,with football injuries.But you have only LIVED here since 2003,so have a lot to learn,please dont try and make believe you know all whats been going on in this town for many years,YOU DO NOT,and being so nasty to a reporter,shows what type of person you are.As for being on the receiving end of trouble in 1978 i had my head kicked in and eye severely damaged,i have also patrolled the Gardens,and other areas for the council,as well as done security in BOSCOMBE,For two years i was chairman of tenants and leaseholders,and have also been chairman of other committees.So i think i know a little more about the town than you.I am probably wasting my time explaining to you in view of your somewhat superior attitude. pete woodley
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12:27am Thu 21 Jun 12

earthwise says...

Thank you Songul for speaking out and supporting what is clearly a no brainer for all of us in Boscombe...... : )
Our elected representatives and their officers are clearly used to committing illegal acts, including failing to register ownership of the BCCA with the Land Registry within 2 months of acquisition in 1997 (registered on 19th March 2012). The deeper you dig the more the corruption oozes to the surface, Gas Fracking for Local Councils......

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Thank you Songul for speaking out and supporting what is clearly a no brainer for all of us in Boscombe...... : ) Our elected representatives and their officers are clearly used to committing illegal acts, including failing to register ownership of the BCCA with the Land Registry within 2 months of acquisition in 1997 (registered on 19th March 2012). The deeper you dig the more the corruption oozes to the surface, Gas Fracking for Local Councils...... ツ BЄ Fʀєє x earthwise
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2:27pm Fri 22 Jun 12

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

hey there were 32 comments last I looked, what's happened to them? Seems the echo is massaging there own comments section to keep it out of the top 5 most commented section. I wonder why?
hey there were 32 comments last I looked, what's happened to them? Seems the echo is massaging there own comments section to keep it out of the top 5 most commented section. I wonder why? Tom 'Boscombe' Jones
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12:35pm Mon 25 Jun 12

Old Bloke says...

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones wrote:
hey there were 32 comments last I looked, what's happened to them? Seems the echo is massaging there own comments section to keep it out of the top 5 most commented section. I wonder why?
I think you are right Tom. My post has been removed!
[quote][p][bold]Tom 'Boscombe' Jones[/bold] wrote: hey there were 32 comments last I looked, what's happened to them? Seems the echo is massaging there own comments section to keep it out of the top 5 most commented section. I wonder why?[/p][/quote]I think you are right Tom. My post has been removed! Old Bloke
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11:36pm Mon 25 Jun 12

Songul Bekir says...

Dear Mr Woodley,
I question why you are on this blog because we are debating what the council is doing in our area of Bscombe. You clearly have a problem understanding me. I was born in Bournemouth, I grew up here, going to all the local schools. None of your comments relate to the debate. Please stick to the topic, this was why I got fed up with the reporter because she missed the point and it was her job to not do this. I am not interested in your injuries but I am sorry for them and you.
Dear Mr Woodley, I question why you are on this blog because we are debating what the council is doing in our area of Bscombe. You clearly have a problem understanding me. I was born in Bournemouth, I grew up here, going to all the local schools. None of your comments relate to the debate. Please stick to the topic, this was why I got fed up with the reporter because she missed the point and it was her job to not do this. I am not interested in your injuries but I am sorry for them and you. Songul Bekir
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12:07pm Tue 26 Jun 12

pete woodley says...

Songul,you were born in 1964,so YOU say,you only lived here from 2003,again what YOU said,so HOW did you grow up here,and go to local schools,or did you only start growing up,and going to local schools,at 39.
Songul,you were born in 1964,so YOU say,you only lived here from 2003,again what YOU said,so HOW did you grow up here,and go to local schools,or did you only start growing up,and going to local schools,at 39. pete woodley
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10:20am Sat 30 Jun 12

scottfree says...

This council seem to forget that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS and as such are ultimately accountable to us! They also forget that they do not OWN any land at all but as SERVANTS simply hold it in trust so are thus TRUSTEES! What they have failed to realise is that there are consequences for breach of this trust but because they have got away with things without serious informed challenge for so long they believe that they can continue to treat us with contempt! Well bournemouth council, you have been served NOTICE. I suspect you didnt take it seriously but that will be your undoing! Since the notice was witnessed as being read at the planning meeting yet you still voted for demolition you are in breach of trust and contempt of office! YOU'RE FIRED!
This council seem to forget that they are PUBLIC SERVANTS and as such are ultimately accountable to us! They also forget that they do not OWN any land at all but as SERVANTS simply hold it in trust so are thus TRUSTEES! What they have failed to realise is that there are consequences for breach of this trust but because they have got away with things without serious informed challenge for so long they believe that they can continue to treat us with contempt! Well bournemouth council, you have been served NOTICE. I suspect you didnt take it seriously but that will be your undoing! Since the notice was witnessed as being read at the planning meeting yet you still voted for demolition you are in breach of trust and contempt of office! YOU'RE FIRED! scottfree
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