St Aldhelm’s Academy named worst school in GCSE league tables

Bournemouth Echo: St Aldhelm’s Academy principal Cheryl Heron outside the school. St Aldhelm’s Academy principal Cheryl Heron outside the school.

A POOLE school has clocked up the worst GCSE results in the country.

Just three per cent of pupils leaving St Aldhelm’s Academy last summer scored the benchmark five A* - C GCSE grades, including English and maths.

That’s a drop of 11 places in a year for the former Rossmore Community College, taken over by sponsors the Diocese of Salisbury and Bournemouth University in September 2010 in a bid to raise standards.

Today the Borough of Poole has demanded urgent improvements at the school and action from the sponsors. It has also offered to help the school.

Carter Community School in Poole has also fared badly in league tables published today.

It is ranked as the 10th worst in the country with just 21 per cent reaching the benchmark standard.

St Aldhelm’s Academy principal Cheryl Heron told the Daily Echo she was “extremely disappointed” with the results, but said eight months simply wasn’t long enough for the 16-year-olds to fully benefit from academy-rule.

Pledging that close monitoring would ensure performance is ‘significantly higher’ this year, Ms Heron said: “Going back to when I first came here, I did say it would not be easy, that it would be difficult and we would go down before we went up. Unfortunately that has come true.”

Millions have been pumped into turning the school around, and a £11 million re-build project of its Herbert Avenue campus begins in August.

The focus is now on giving each of St Aldhelm’s Acad-emy’s 465 students a ‘personalised learning programme.’ Attendance has risen four per cent to 93 per cent this year and now there are no permanent exclusions. Ms Heron hoped to encourage more pupils to attend the Academy, which is currently only half full.

“We’ve got to convince those coming here with an outdated view of what it’s like,” she said.

“The 465 young people that we’re working with do not want to be tarred by that image. We are not perfect, but we are working on it.”

Chairman of governors Anne Fernandez and Chris Shepperd, Director of Education at Salisbury Diocese, St Aldhelm’s lead sponsor, say they fully supported Ms Heron.

Mr Shepperd said: “The five A* – C barrier in a school like this is never going to be easy for every child to clear.”

Headteacher's view

Rob Davies, headteacher at Carter Community School, said: “Despite these figures, Carter is continuing to improve and many of our results show how much our students are achieving.”

“In 2011, 63 per cent of our year 11 students gained five GCSEs grades A*-C and this means that more Carter students than ever are able to continue with post-16 studies.

“Every student leaves Carter with a qualification, in line with the inclusive nature of the school.”

“The best eight results that students achieved were also a school record, reaching 319 points for this year group. “This is a significant improvement on previous years,” he added.

Vocational studies for pupils

FORTY of St Aldhelm’s Academy’s more disaffected and challenged learners now spend four days a week on vocational studies.

Four satellite learning sites have been set up, including stables in Studland, Cedar Organic Farm and allotments at Kingston Lacy, near Wimborne.

Os Filmalter, learning zone director for vocational studies, says it’s about reaching out to teenagers with basic numeracy and literacy issues and a “history of disaffection” dating back years.

Every pupil on last year’s programme got a Level One maths certificate, he said.

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9:59am Thu 26 Jan 12

Wintonian says...

Are you sure that the 21% result for Carter makes them tenth worse? That surprises me.

According to the Guardian, 55 schools in England were below single figures, so a result of 21% would surely be well outside the worst 100 schools.
Are you sure that the 21% result for Carter makes them tenth worse? That surprises me. According to the Guardian, 55 schools in England were below single figures, so a result of 21% would surely be well outside the worst 100 schools. Wintonian
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10:02am Thu 26 Jan 12

Wintonian says...

In fact, 107 schools failed to meet the 35% target score, so Carter's 21% should put them between the 55th and the 107th worst.

Still, tenth worst sounds much more newsworthy.
In fact, 107 schools failed to meet the 35% target score, so Carter's 21% should put them between the 55th and the 107th worst. Still, tenth worst sounds much more newsworthy. Wintonian
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10:09am Thu 26 Jan 12

elite50 says...

"Things are going to improve".
Tell that to the students that need thoe "improved" marks now!
A 3% A level pass mark is useless!
Ask anyone if it would be acceptable to come up with that score in their job!
The answer would be "Oh, you mean the job that I used to have!
"Things are going to improve". Tell that to the students that need thoe "improved" marks now! A 3% A level pass mark is useless! Ask anyone if it would be acceptable to come up with that score in their job! The answer would be "Oh, you mean the job that I used to have! elite50
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10:15am Thu 26 Jan 12

markymark3 says...

"Four satellite learning sites have been set up, including stables in Studland, Cedar Organic Farm and allotments at Kingston Lacy, near Wimborne."

So reading between the lines, disaffected youths go horseriding instead of being permanently excluded.
"Four satellite learning sites have been set up, including stables in Studland, Cedar Organic Farm and allotments at Kingston Lacy, near Wimborne." So reading between the lines, disaffected youths go horseriding instead of being permanently excluded. markymark3
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10:42am Thu 26 Jan 12

static kill says...

i went their and i fink it wos good.
i went their and i fink it wos good. static kill
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10:47am Thu 26 Jan 12

catseye says...

It all seems to prove that throwing money at a problem is not the answer. Poor or average teachers do not become good or excellent teachers overnight because they are paid more or work in expensive buildings. The concept of letting children learn as opposed to being taught, does not work for everyone. That being said I assume that the majority who have no academic qualifications have no problems in understanding and operating the latest technology and no doubt will also fully grasp the intricacies of the benefit system.
It all seems to prove that throwing money at a problem is not the answer. Poor or average teachers do not become good or excellent teachers overnight because they are paid more or work in expensive buildings. The concept of letting children learn as opposed to being taught, does not work for everyone. That being said I assume that the majority who have no academic qualifications have no problems in understanding and operating the latest technology and no doubt will also fully grasp the intricacies of the benefit system. catseye
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11:02am Thu 26 Jan 12

sea poole says...

A ringing endorsement for Academy status! How to exclude the local authority and expect to do well, despite millions being poured into the school. The principal should have hit the ground running. How come that some secondary schools in huge inner city areas with associated cultural and language problems have achieved significantly better than St. Aldhelms?
A ringing endorsement for Academy status! How to exclude the local authority and expect to do well, despite millions being poured into the school. The principal should have hit the ground running. How come that some secondary schools in huge inner city areas with associated cultural and language problems have achieved significantly better than St. Aldhelms? sea poole
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11:12am Thu 26 Jan 12

Lyme says...

Totally agree with Catseye, throwing money at the problem is not the answer. I think a good education starts with a good homelife and is enhanced by good teaching. I doubt an expensive building or flash facilities really has much benefit.
Totally agree with Catseye, throwing money at the problem is not the answer. I think a good education starts with a good homelife and is enhanced by good teaching. I doubt an expensive building or flash facilities really has much benefit. Lyme
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11:32am Thu 26 Jan 12

The Liberal says...

Wintonian wrote:
In fact, 107 schools failed to meet the 35% target score, so Carter's 21% should put them between the 55th and the 107th worst.

Still, tenth worst sounds much more newsworthy.
Carter is indeed in tenth lowest place, according to the tables on the BBC website.
[quote][p][bold]Wintonian[/bold] wrote: In fact, 107 schools failed to meet the 35% target score, so Carter's 21% should put them between the 55th and the 107th worst. Still, tenth worst sounds much more newsworthy.[/p][/quote]Carter is indeed in tenth lowest place, according to the tables on the BBC website. The Liberal
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11:40am Thu 26 Jan 12

derek_acorah says...

Mr Shepperd said: “The five A* – C barrier in a school like this is never going to be easy for every child to clear.”

Why is that?
Mr Shepperd said: “The five A* – C barrier in a school like this is never going to be easy for every child to clear.” Why is that? derek_acorah
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11:46am Thu 26 Jan 12

The Liberal says...

The big question is how on earth has St Aldhelm's Academy managed to drop from a 21% figure in 2010 to 3%? Surely the school couldn't have got that much worse in one year?
The big question is how on earth has St Aldhelm's Academy managed to drop from a 21% figure in 2010 to 3%? Surely the school couldn't have got that much worse in one year? The Liberal
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12:00pm Thu 26 Jan 12

daniel111 says...

I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood
She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with)
This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace
I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with) This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace daniel111
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12:02pm Thu 26 Jan 12

BaronVonParkstone says...

This is concerning, considering that St Aldhelms is the catchment school for my daughter. Sure, we have a few years before we need to worry about it, and we always knew it was a poor school but this makes it even more critical that my wife and I need to pull together another excessive mortgage deposit and move house soon. when we bought our house on Slepe Crescent we were fairly limited on our options with regard to affordability as it was, and neither of us are on low salaries.

This said, you only have to open a window and hear some of the locals talking to get an idea of the average level of intelligence. They're usually yelling obscenities at their children at excessive volume...seems fitting that said children would be of a similar level....
This is concerning, considering that St Aldhelms is the catchment school for my daughter. Sure, we have a few years before we need to worry about it, and we always knew it was a poor school but this makes it even more critical that my wife and I need to pull together another excessive mortgage deposit and move house soon. when we bought our house on Slepe Crescent we were fairly limited on our options with regard to affordability as it was, and neither of us are on low salaries. This said, you only have to open a window and hear some of the locals talking to get an idea of the average level of intelligence. They're usually yelling obscenities at their children at excessive volume...seems fitting that said children would be of a similar level.... BaronVonParkstone
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12:05pm Thu 26 Jan 12

BaronVonParkstone says...

daniel111 wrote:
I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with) This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace
For what it's worth, judging by the articulate post you've made they've not done a bad job on your education to date! You certainly seem in the minority.
[quote][p][bold]daniel111[/bold] wrote: I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with) This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace[/p][/quote]For what it's worth, judging by the articulate post you've made they've not done a bad job on your education to date! You certainly seem in the minority. BaronVonParkstone
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12:13pm Thu 26 Jan 12

daniel111 says...

BaronVonParkstone wrote:
daniel111 wrote:
I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with) This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace
For what it's worth, judging by the articulate post you've made they've not done a bad job on your education to date! You certainly seem in the minority.
Due to the fact i actually wanted to go somewhere in life and was stuck in this hell hole was a turn for the worse. they're was about 5/10 people in my whole year group throughout year 7/12 that actually seemed interested in learning, and those people were the only people to get 5 A*-Cs. I just feel sorry for the kids there now that have to go through with it because they've already started their GCSE's which they'll probably soon fail due to the lack of quality education going on. In year 12 i was doing a course, and they forced my teacher to leave with a year left to go, which ruined my A levels and I can only thank them for that.
[quote][p][bold]BaronVonParkstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daniel111[/bold] wrote: I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with) This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace[/p][/quote]For what it's worth, judging by the articulate post you've made they've not done a bad job on your education to date! You certainly seem in the minority.[/p][/quote]Due to the fact i actually wanted to go somewhere in life and was stuck in this hell hole was a turn for the worse. they're was about 5/10 people in my whole year group throughout year 7/12 that actually seemed interested in learning, and those people were the only people to get 5 A*-Cs. I just feel sorry for the kids there now that have to go through with it because they've already started their GCSE's which they'll probably soon fail due to the lack of quality education going on. In year 12 i was doing a course, and they forced my teacher to leave with a year left to go, which ruined my A levels and I can only thank them for that. daniel111
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12:19pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Politegeorgie says...

daniel111 wrote:
BaronVonParkstone wrote:
daniel111 wrote:
I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with) This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace
For what it's worth, judging by the articulate post you've made they've not done a bad job on your education to date! You certainly seem in the minority.
Due to the fact i actually wanted to go somewhere in life and was stuck in this hell hole was a turn for the worse. they're was about 5/10 people in my whole year group throughout year 7/12 that actually seemed interested in learning, and those people were the only people to get 5 A*-Cs. I just feel sorry for the kids there now that have to go through with it because they've already started their GCSE's which they'll probably soon fail due to the lack of quality education going on. In year 12 i was doing a course, and they forced my teacher to leave with a year left to go, which ruined my A levels and I can only thank them for that.
Amen Brother!
[quote][p][bold]daniel111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BaronVonParkstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]daniel111[/bold] wrote: I've been at this school for 5 years last year, and left due to the appalling change from Rossmore to this abomination to the neighbourhood She's forced half of the Rossmore faculty to leave (Which in my opinion were MUCH better teachers than what they've replaced them with) This appalling result in GCSE scores is also to do with the fact that they've made physical ed teachers, teach maths and English lessons, English teachers teach religious education (Cultures) And miss-matching all the teachers with their professions. It is a disgrace[/p][/quote]For what it's worth, judging by the articulate post you've made they've not done a bad job on your education to date! You certainly seem in the minority.[/p][/quote]Due to the fact i actually wanted to go somewhere in life and was stuck in this hell hole was a turn for the worse. they're was about 5/10 people in my whole year group throughout year 7/12 that actually seemed interested in learning, and those people were the only people to get 5 A*-Cs. I just feel sorry for the kids there now that have to go through with it because they've already started their GCSE's which they'll probably soon fail due to the lack of quality education going on. In year 12 i was doing a course, and they forced my teacher to leave with a year left to go, which ruined my A levels and I can only thank them for that.[/p][/quote]Amen Brother! Politegeorgie
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12:43pm Thu 26 Jan 12

CourtOffside says...

Avoiding that hellhole of a school was the spur that got me through the 11+ and into Poole Grammar School...
Avoiding that hellhole of a school was the spur that got me through the 11+ and into Poole Grammar School... CourtOffside
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12:51pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Rednax says...

Wow!

Parents, pupils, teachers + that 'smiling' principal should be ashamed. What a disgrace.
Wow! Parents, pupils, teachers + that 'smiling' principal should be ashamed. What a disgrace. Rednax
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1:08pm Thu 26 Jan 12

cyco44 says...

I feel another name change coming on! Oh, and by the way "Elite 50", these weren't A level passes, they were GCSE passes!
I feel another name change coming on! Oh, and by the way "Elite 50", these weren't A level passes, they were GCSE passes! cyco44
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1:20pm Thu 26 Jan 12

crazycat1 says...

Is this pick on Carter Community School again?? I feel for the staff, students and parents who support this school day in day out, through thick and thin. When will schools like this get the support they deserves???
Is this pick on Carter Community School again?? I feel for the staff, students and parents who support this school day in day out, through thick and thin. When will schools like this get the support they deserves??? crazycat1
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1:22pm Thu 26 Jan 12

arrian61 says...

MMMM? Carter Community School.
A* to C (inc Maths & Eng.)The results:- 27%, 42% 34% 23% and this year 21%. Definitely a school going from strength to strength. These students deserve better.
Well done to all those students who where successful.
MMMM? Carter Community School. A* to C (inc Maths & Eng.)The results:- 27%, 42% 34% 23% and this year 21%. Definitely a school going from strength to strength. These students deserve better. Well done to all those students who where successful. arrian61
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1:34pm Thu 26 Jan 12

dinkie123 says...

I've had an idea for ages.. Why don't they bring in a kind of youth council. But, not kids from that school. Ie... (explaining myself better here). Have a select amount of students, maybe 2 from each senior state school in the county, who have finised A levels and are going to university, to be part of a distance relations group, where they aid schools with ideas for improvements- even if they didnt go to the school. At the end of the day, only those in the current education system, know how it works and feels to be there. Even teachers don't see it. Having a mature, younger persons point of view, may mean ideas. I can think of several ways that could help improve a school like that, but who would listen to me; a 19 year old who actually knows what it's like to be in education right here and now! (I didn't go to st.aldhelms, but everyone can relate to some relevant experience they've had- and use ideas from their own school to implement into others!)
I've had an idea for ages.. Why don't they bring in a kind of youth council. But, not kids from that school. Ie... (explaining myself better here). Have a select amount of students, maybe 2 from each senior state school in the county, who have finised A levels and are going to university, to be part of a distance relations group, where they aid schools with ideas for improvements- even if they didnt go to the school. At the end of the day, only those in the current education system, know how it works and feels to be there. Even teachers don't see it. Having a mature, younger persons point of view, may mean ideas. I can think of several ways that could help improve a school like that, but who would listen to me; a 19 year old who actually knows what it's like to be in education right here and now! (I didn't go to st.aldhelms, but everyone can relate to some relevant experience they've had- and use ideas from their own school to implement into others!) dinkie123
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1:35pm Thu 26 Jan 12

dinkie123 says...

=D Just one of my many ideas
=D Just one of my many ideas dinkie123
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2:10pm Thu 26 Jan 12

life is not fair says...

well my twin daughters went to rossmore both left with at lest 7 gcse s then went on to collage one even went to uni getting her masters in networking and computing could not have been that bad has both are dislexic ( has am i ) i have children at st aldhelms now im sure they would not have been able to achieve this if they had been there now . rossmore were fab with special needs while the academy has little or no interest in them
well my twin daughters went to rossmore both left with at lest 7 gcse s then went on to collage one even went to uni getting her masters in networking and computing could not have been that bad has both are dislexic ( has am i ) i have children at st aldhelms now im sure they would not have been able to achieve this if they had been there now . rossmore were fab with special needs while the academy has little or no interest in them life is not fair
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2:10pm Thu 26 Jan 12

life is not fair says...

well my twin daughters went to rossmore both left with at lest 7 gcse s then went on to collage one even went to uni getting her masters in networking and computing could not have been that bad has both are dislexic ( has am i ) i have children at st aldhelms now im sure they would not have been able to achieve this if they had been there now . rossmore were fab with special needs while the academy has little or no interest in them
well my twin daughters went to rossmore both left with at lest 7 gcse s then went on to collage one even went to uni getting her masters in networking and computing could not have been that bad has both are dislexic ( has am i ) i have children at st aldhelms now im sure they would not have been able to achieve this if they had been there now . rossmore were fab with special needs while the academy has little or no interest in them life is not fair
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2:11pm Thu 26 Jan 12

BaronVonParkstone says...

It's a good idea, but I think a better one would be to bulldoze it...
It's a good idea, but I think a better one would be to bulldoze it... BaronVonParkstone
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2:23pm Thu 26 Jan 12

cheshired says...

These cliche headlines do no justice to how hard it is to raise attainment in schools in areas of social challenge. Before retiring I worked in secondary modern, grammar and comprehensive schools. The academic creaming-off done in Poole and Bournemouth gives those teachers in the selective schools a pleasant and easy working life. The others struggle and battle in return for government and press denigration. Schools in these circumstances need time, encouragement and support, not ill-informed criticism.
These cliche headlines do no justice to how hard it is to raise attainment in schools in areas of social challenge. Before retiring I worked in secondary modern, grammar and comprehensive schools. The academic creaming-off done in Poole and Bournemouth gives those teachers in the selective schools a pleasant and easy working life. The others struggle and battle in return for government and press denigration. Schools in these circumstances need time, encouragement and support, not ill-informed criticism. cheshired
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2:23pm Thu 26 Jan 12

cheshired says...

These cliche headlines do no justice to how hard it is to raise attainment in schools in areas of social challenge. Before retiring I worked in secondary modern, grammar and comprehensive schools. The academic creaming-off done in Poole and Bournemouth gives those teachers in the selective schools a pleasant and easy working life. The others struggle and battle in return for government and press denigration. Schools in these circumstances need time, encouragement and support, not ill-informed criticism.
These cliche headlines do no justice to how hard it is to raise attainment in schools in areas of social challenge. Before retiring I worked in secondary modern, grammar and comprehensive schools. The academic creaming-off done in Poole and Bournemouth gives those teachers in the selective schools a pleasant and easy working life. The others struggle and battle in return for government and press denigration. Schools in these circumstances need time, encouragement and support, not ill-informed criticism. cheshired
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2:40pm Thu 26 Jan 12

DUCKFEEDER says...

get ofsted in there again and see what they can do to turn this school around
get ofsted in there again and see what they can do to turn this school around DUCKFEEDER
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2:41pm Thu 26 Jan 12

WhatTheHuck says...

As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance.
As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance. WhatTheHuck
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2:53pm Thu 26 Jan 12

John T says...

Have Faith, St Aldhelm's; may your God go with you?!?
Have Faith, St Aldhelm's; may your God go with you?!? John T
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2:55pm Thu 26 Jan 12

BaronVonParkstone says...

WhatTheHuck wrote:
As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance.
Must be the cyclists fault.
[quote][p][bold]WhatTheHuck[/bold] wrote: As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance.[/p][/quote]Must be the cyclists fault. BaronVonParkstone
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3:08pm Thu 26 Jan 12

WhatTheHuck says...

BaronVonParkstone wrote:
WhatTheHuck wrote:
As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance.
Must be the cyclists fault.
Must be. Or perhaps "irresponsible" dog owners.
[quote][p][bold]BaronVonParkstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhatTheHuck[/bold] wrote: As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance.[/p][/quote]Must be the cyclists fault.[/p][/quote]Must be. Or perhaps "irresponsible" dog owners. WhatTheHuck
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3:13pm Thu 26 Jan 12

John T says...

BaronVonParkstone wrote:
WhatTheHuck wrote: As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance.
Must be the cyclists fault.
The headmistress has already blamed it on the education cycle. And I am sure Eddie Mitchell, and the architects of the Surf Reef and IMAX failures knew that things had to go down, before they went up!
From being the worst school in the country, things can only get better, can't they?!
[quote][p][bold]BaronVonParkstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhatTheHuck[/bold] wrote: As this story has made the echo I'm a bit confused. I cant see anyone blaming Eddie Mitchell, councillor charon or the imax cinema. Or those chumps who built the surf reef for this schools poor performance.[/p][/quote]Must be the cyclists fault.[/p][/quote]The headmistress has already blamed it on the education cycle. And I am sure Eddie Mitchell, and the architects of the Surf Reef and IMAX failures knew that things had to go down, before they went up! From being the worst school in the country, things can only get better, can't they?! John T
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3:26pm Thu 26 Jan 12

smoogie says...

How embarrassing! I used to go to this 'hell hole' back when it was Kemp-Welch and remember the transaction towards Rossmore Copmmunity College very well. It improved alot and got alot of money spent on it so its a shame to see it go down hill. Really all the Academy is, is an attempt to bring back the earlier days of Rossmore Community College but the school won't change. It has always been the roughest school in Poole and to fit in you need to be either a 'fighter' or have a large family behind you. I was neither so as you can imgaine my 4 years at Rossmore was one of misery. I also had learning difficulties and although the school did support people like me they never taken my saftey into account. I lost alot of good friends while I went to that school and I was a loner, not the person I really am. I feel sorry for the decent students at this school.

Kempy Lad 99-03
How embarrassing! I used to go to this 'hell hole' back when it was Kemp-Welch and remember the transaction towards Rossmore Copmmunity College very well. It improved alot and got alot of money spent on it so its a shame to see it go down hill. Really all the Academy is, is an attempt to bring back the earlier days of Rossmore Community College but the school won't change. It has always been the roughest school in Poole and to fit in you need to be either a 'fighter' or have a large family behind you. I was neither so as you can imgaine my 4 years at Rossmore was one of misery. I also had learning difficulties and although the school did support people like me they never taken my saftey into account. I lost alot of good friends while I went to that school and I was a loner, not the person I really am. I feel sorry for the decent students at this school. Kempy Lad 99-03 smoogie
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3:52pm Thu 26 Jan 12

oh curly girl says...

arrian61 wrote:
MMMM? Carter Community School.
A* to C (inc Maths & Eng.)The results:- 27%, 42% 34% 23% and this year 21%. Definitely a school going from strength to strength. These students deserve better.
Well done to all those students who where successful.
I agree with arrian61. Carter Community School is going from strength to strength & my son will be going there Sept 2013. We have seen the children in our road grow up, they went to Carter & all have good jobs. I even asked one of my neighbours children to tell me honestly what they think about Carter & she replied," That she & her friends love it, the teachers treat us like friends & know all of our names !!" Some of the Carter Pupils helped us with our Fun Day in Hamworthy Park last year & they were an absolute credit to the school, they were kind & helpful. Carter Community School has a very strong community behind it, I am part of that community & proud of it....My family & I back Carter all the way. x
[quote][p][bold]arrian61[/bold] wrote: MMMM? Carter Community School. A* to C (inc Maths & Eng.)The results:- 27%, 42% 34% 23% and this year 21%. Definitely a school going from strength to strength. These students deserve better. Well done to all those students who where successful.[/p][/quote]I agree with arrian61. Carter Community School is going from strength to strength & my son will be going there Sept 2013. We have seen the children in our road grow up, they went to Carter & all have good jobs. I even asked one of my neighbours children to tell me honestly what they think about Carter & she replied," That she & her friends love it, the teachers treat us like friends & know all of our names !!" Some of the Carter Pupils helped us with our Fun Day in Hamworthy Park last year & they were an absolute credit to the school, they were kind & helpful. Carter Community School has a very strong community behind it, I am part of that community & proud of it....My family & I back Carter all the way. x oh curly girl
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3:57pm Thu 26 Jan 12

justsayithowitis says...

How much more money are we going to throw at this school. The problem is the parents who dont give a monkeys about what their children do as long as they get money for having them. I used to help with reading at a feeder school for this one and many children struggled because their parents wouldnt do anything to help them. I asked children to read at home to their parents and was told many times by 6 and 7 year olds that mummy said it wasnt their job to help them read and it wasnt their problem if they never learnt this basic skill. With this attitude what hope is there
How much more money are we going to throw at this school. The problem is the parents who dont give a monkeys about what their children do as long as they get money for having them. I used to help with reading at a feeder school for this one and many children struggled because their parents wouldnt do anything to help them. I asked children to read at home to their parents and was told many times by 6 and 7 year olds that mummy said it wasnt their job to help them read and it wasnt their problem if they never learnt this basic skill. With this attitude what hope is there justsayithowitis
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4:03pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Twokayten says...

Ms Heron entered the school boasting to the pupils about how many she excluded from her previous school.
What a way to start.
The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away.
Ms Heron has now taken the common room away from the current 6th form.
What else is this loose cannon going to get away with before something is done?
Ms Heron entered the school boasting to the pupils about how many she excluded from her previous school. What a way to start. The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away. Ms Heron has now taken the common room away from the current 6th form. What else is this loose cannon going to get away with before something is done? Twokayten
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4:33pm Thu 26 Jan 12

chantilly0 says...

oh i wondered when i would finally see the head teacher at the school and it took this what a poor excuse for a head she is how can you be smileing when your school is the worst school around it should be shut down or a new head teacher put in she doesnt care about the pupils she only cares if she looks good even a child that goes to the school said the staff dont care if they do work and dont care about their education !!!!!!
oh i wondered when i would finally see the head teacher at the school and it took this what a poor excuse for a head she is how can you be smileing when your school is the worst school around it should be shut down or a new head teacher put in she doesnt care about the pupils she only cares if she looks good even a child that goes to the school said the staff dont care if they do work and dont care about their education !!!!!! chantilly0
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5:25pm Thu 26 Jan 12

sea poole says...

So that's the success of Academy status. The local authority must be itching to get into the school and bash a few adult heads together -but they can't as Academy status removes the local authority from monitoring the school. It is directly monitored from central government -in London ...and hence the results -literally!
So that's the success of Academy status. The local authority must be itching to get into the school and bash a few adult heads together -but they can't as Academy status removes the local authority from monitoring the school. It is directly monitored from central government -in London ...and hence the results -literally! sea poole
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5:58pm Thu 26 Jan 12

smoogie says...

Twokayten wrote:
Ms Heron entered the school boasting to the pupils about how many she excluded from her previous school.
What a way to start.
The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away.
Ms Heron has now taken the common room away from the current 6th form.
What else is this loose cannon going to get away with before something is done?
Bring back Ms Shaw. She knew how to run that place. Only a few kids got kicked out back then and our art department once got a few A grades & when my sister was there after my time at the school the school put on productions at the Barrington Theater. Rossmore was doing well back then & I was almost proud to say I even attended the school but now it is back to square 1! Ten years of efforts down the drain >:(
[quote][p][bold]Twokayten[/bold] wrote: Ms Heron entered the school boasting to the pupils about how many she excluded from her previous school. What a way to start. The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away. Ms Heron has now taken the common room away from the current 6th form. What else is this loose cannon going to get away with before something is done?[/p][/quote]Bring back Ms Shaw. She knew how to run that place. Only a few kids got kicked out back then and our art department once got a few A grades & when my sister was there after my time at the school the school put on productions at the Barrington Theater. Rossmore was doing well back then & I was almost proud to say I even attended the school but now it is back to square 1! Ten years of efforts down the drain >:( smoogie
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5:58pm Thu 26 Jan 12

smoogie says...

Twokayten wrote:
Ms Heron entered the school boasting to the pupils about how many she excluded from her previous school.
What a way to start.
The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away.
Ms Heron has now taken the common room away from the current 6th form.
What else is this loose cannon going to get away with before something is done?
Bring back Ms Shaw. She knew how to run that place. Only a few kids got kicked out back then and our art department once got a few A grades & when my sister was there after my time at the school the school put on productions at the Barrington Theater. Rossmore was doing well back then & I was almost proud to say I even attended the school but now it is back to square 1! Ten years of efforts down the drain >:(
[quote][p][bold]Twokayten[/bold] wrote: Ms Heron entered the school boasting to the pupils about how many she excluded from her previous school. What a way to start. The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away. Ms Heron has now taken the common room away from the current 6th form. What else is this loose cannon going to get away with before something is done?[/p][/quote]Bring back Ms Shaw. She knew how to run that place. Only a few kids got kicked out back then and our art department once got a few A grades & when my sister was there after my time at the school the school put on productions at the Barrington Theater. Rossmore was doing well back then & I was almost proud to say I even attended the school but now it is back to square 1! Ten years of efforts down the drain >:( smoogie
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6:05pm Thu 26 Jan 12

RaincloudOfDoom says...

That's absolutely disgusting. Shut that school down for the children's sakes. Fair enough, some of them may not be performing their best, but the teachers SHOULD be AT LEAST attempting to improve their grades. This report actually made me feel incredibly nauseous...

"The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away." - Now that's absolutely abysmal and sickening to be honest. Shut the school down now before I shut it down myself.
That's absolutely disgusting. Shut that school down for the children's sakes. Fair enough, some of them may not be performing their best, but the teachers SHOULD be AT LEAST attempting to improve their grades. This report actually made me feel incredibly nauseous... "The GCSE Art coursework - hours upon hours of pupils' hard work - was accidentally thrown away." - Now that's absolutely abysmal and sickening to be honest. Shut the school down now before I shut it down myself. RaincloudOfDoom
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6:11pm Thu 26 Jan 12

life is not fair says...

i know that more then art work got thrown away so did lots of other work in other subjects my daughters friend lost all her child development course work and one course was completely scraped when miss heron arrived poor children were deverstated
i know that more then art work got thrown away so did lots of other work in other subjects my daughters friend lost all her child development course work and one course was completely scraped when miss heron arrived poor children were deverstated life is not fair
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6:37pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Twokayten says...

Has anyone noticed the SAME group of children have been cherry-picked to speak up for the school on both BBC and ITV local news tonight...
Ms Heron must think we are all stupid.
And yes, she did scrap courses so that children couldnt take them any more.
She also changed the structure of GCSE options last year, not giving any information until APRIL and messed about with dropping courses AFTER options had been made.
OK, the intake of children may not be from the richest of backgrounds with the most supportive of parents, but surely this should be more of a reason to give these kids a chance?
On the plus side, the pastoral care team at that school are the unsung heroines. Absolutely wonderful ladies who do all they can to help all students...above and beyond the call of duty.
Has anyone noticed the SAME group of children have been cherry-picked to speak up for the school on both BBC and ITV local news tonight... Ms Heron must think we are all stupid. And yes, she did scrap courses so that children couldnt take them any more. She also changed the structure of GCSE options last year, not giving any information until APRIL and messed about with dropping courses AFTER options had been made. OK, the intake of children may not be from the richest of backgrounds with the most supportive of parents, but surely this should be more of a reason to give these kids a chance? On the plus side, the pastoral care team at that school are the unsung heroines. Absolutely wonderful ladies who do all they can to help all students...above and beyond the call of duty. Twokayten
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6:57pm Thu 26 Jan 12

sea poole says...

What really galled me was the almost 'Pontious Pilate' manner in which the headteacher washed her hands of the effects upon a cohort of pupils who have been dismally failed. Thanks to her and bleating about '8 months' 97% of a year group have been failed. Again, a success of an Academy?
What really galled me was the almost 'Pontious Pilate' manner in which the headteacher washed her hands of the effects upon a cohort of pupils who have been dismally failed. Thanks to her and bleating about '8 months' 97% of a year group have been failed. Again, a success of an Academy? sea poole
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7:06pm Thu 26 Jan 12

heno42666 says...

whatever name that has been put over those doors, has tagged a failing school,Kemp Welch....
My dad went ,my older brother went,i went....
Rossmore community colege,my youngest daughter was forced to go,we appealed and lost ! dreadfull time,teachers allowing assaults etc without punishments,had to take her out and put into a private school.
It has allways failed, wasted all this money throwing at it,id love to see it burn down,be worth the extra money for the local kids who want to learn to travel further afield...real horror of a school.
whatever name that has been put over those doors, has tagged a failing school,Kemp Welch.... My dad went ,my older brother went,i went.... Rossmore community colege,my youngest daughter was forced to go,we appealed and lost ! dreadfull time,teachers allowing assaults etc without punishments,had to take her out and put into a private school. It has allways failed, wasted all this money throwing at it,id love to see it burn down,be worth the extra money for the local kids who want to learn to travel further afield...real horror of a school. heno42666
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7:09pm Thu 26 Jan 12

everythings rosie says...

Mrs Heron made parents a promise, to be a centre for the community and put children at the centre of their education, I was excited by the changes promised and the mentoring the children were going to get which swayed by decision to allow my child to attend the academy last year. Since then the mentor has been excellent and the choices were top class but that’s it. My child has been injured and bullied, made to feel he is not clever enough for some of his subjects, has been picked on by teachers and the school have ignored me and at times belittled me when I have phoned with concerns. They Label all of the children as rough kids off the estate but the fact is there are some very nice families living in the area, who have given this school a chance. I think they are working hard and making improvements but their attitude needs to change. They need to reward the children who get on well with their work and as for the children who go around hurting other kids; they need to take tougher measures. I will be thinking seriously as to whether my child continues to attend and be watching to see if keep any of their promises.
Mrs Heron made parents a promise, to be a centre for the community and put children at the centre of their education, I was excited by the changes promised and the mentoring the children were going to get which swayed by decision to allow my child to attend the academy last year. Since then the mentor has been excellent and the choices were top class but that’s it. My child has been injured and bullied, made to feel he is not clever enough for some of his subjects, has been picked on by teachers and the school have ignored me and at times belittled me when I have phoned with concerns. They Label all of the children as rough kids off the estate but the fact is there are some very nice families living in the area, who have given this school a chance. I think they are working hard and making improvements but their attitude needs to change. They need to reward the children who get on well with their work and as for the children who go around hurting other kids; they need to take tougher measures. I will be thinking seriously as to whether my child continues to attend and be watching to see if keep any of their promises. everythings rosie
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7:21pm Thu 26 Jan 12

poolemaninscotland says...

I visited this school in November of last year and I must admit I was really impressed with what I had seen about there plans for the future and my daughter starts there as an above average pupil in September. What I don't understand is that the head teacher who is not responsible for these disgraceful results is getting the blame. The reason why it is now an academy is because Rossmore was failing hence these results. Why can't people look to the future instead of reaping up the past.
I visited this school in November of last year and I must admit I was really impressed with what I had seen about there plans for the future and my daughter starts there as an above average pupil in September. What I don't understand is that the head teacher who is not responsible for these disgraceful results is getting the blame. The reason why it is now an academy is because Rossmore was failing hence these results. Why can't people look to the future instead of reaping up the past. poolemaninscotland
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7:21pm Thu 26 Jan 12

poolemaninscotland says...

I visited this school in November of last year and I must admit I was really impressed with what I had seen about there plans for the future and my daughter starts there as an above average pupil in September. What I don't understand is that the head teacher who is not responsible for these disgraceful results is getting the blame. The reason why it is now an academy is because Rossmore was failing hence these results. Why can't people look to the future instead of reaping up the past.
I visited this school in November of last year and I must admit I was really impressed with what I had seen about there plans for the future and my daughter starts there as an above average pupil in September. What I don't understand is that the head teacher who is not responsible for these disgraceful results is getting the blame. The reason why it is now an academy is because Rossmore was failing hence these results. Why can't people look to the future instead of reaping up the past. poolemaninscotland
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7:21pm Thu 26 Jan 12

thelwell says...

Give this new school and its new team a chance! The change was necessary and the new team will deliver very positive results in time.
Many parents are already speaking highly of what they are seeing.
Demonstrable improvements in a school (or any organisation) of this size takes time. In two years they will be praised for the turnaround so we must support them now, not kick them as they implement the improvements so greatly needed.
Shame on the Borough of Poole for their cynical offer of help in a school in which they failed to deliver themselves.
My organisation is proud to employ former St Aldhelms puplis as apprentices and they are doing very well.
Give this new school and its new team a chance! The change was necessary and the new team will deliver very positive results in time. Many parents are already speaking highly of what they are seeing. Demonstrable improvements in a school (or any organisation) of this size takes time. In two years they will be praised for the turnaround so we must support them now, not kick them as they implement the improvements so greatly needed. Shame on the Borough of Poole for their cynical offer of help in a school in which they failed to deliver themselves. My organisation is proud to employ former St Aldhelms puplis as apprentices and they are doing very well. thelwell
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7:26pm Thu 26 Jan 12

poolemaninscotland says...

thelwell wrote:
Give this new school and its new team a chance! The change was necessary and the new team will deliver very positive results in time.
Many parents are already speaking highly of what they are seeing.
Demonstrable improvements in a school (or any organisation) of this size takes time. In two years they will be praised for the turnaround so we must support them now, not kick them as they implement the improvements so greatly needed.
Shame on the Borough of Poole for their cynical offer of help in a school in which they failed to deliver themselves.
My organisation is proud to employ former St Aldhelms puplis as apprentices and they are doing very well.
At last. I couldn't agree with you more and my thoughts exactly
[quote][p][bold]thelwell[/bold] wrote: Give this new school and its new team a chance! The change was necessary and the new team will deliver very positive results in time. Many parents are already speaking highly of what they are seeing. Demonstrable improvements in a school (or any organisation) of this size takes time. In two years they will be praised for the turnaround so we must support them now, not kick them as they implement the improvements so greatly needed. Shame on the Borough of Poole for their cynical offer of help in a school in which they failed to deliver themselves. My organisation is proud to employ former St Aldhelms puplis as apprentices and they are doing very well.[/p][/quote]At last. I couldn't agree with you more and my thoughts exactly poolemaninscotland
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7:34pm Thu 26 Jan 12

ashleycross says...

If they can't even fix the tatty windows which is all you see of the school as you go to the gym, how can they be trusted with children's futures? The children are the town's future and deserve more respect from the town. I've always got the feeling that people like to lord it over people on this estate, ie haven't we done well we don't live on Rossmore. That's the attitude that gets these kids a tatty building and yes you should judge a book by its cover. Tat on the outside, tat on the inside, how can children thrive with that sort of, well it's all they are fit for up there kind of attitude. The ducks in Poole Park have nicer surroundings.
If some government department isn't monitoring them it doesn't get done. Come on governors, education dept whoever, smarten up the school and stop lording it over these people.
If they can't even fix the tatty windows which is all you see of the school as you go to the gym, how can they be trusted with children's futures? The children are the town's future and deserve more respect from the town. I've always got the feeling that people like to lord it over people on this estate, ie haven't we done well we don't live on Rossmore. That's the attitude that gets these kids a tatty building and yes you should judge a book by its cover. Tat on the outside, tat on the inside, how can children thrive with that sort of, well it's all they are fit for up there kind of attitude. The ducks in Poole Park have nicer surroundings. If some government department isn't monitoring them it doesn't get done. Come on governors, education dept whoever, smarten up the school and stop lording it over these people. ashleycross
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7:35pm Thu 26 Jan 12

lobster32 says...

I am not in anyway standing up for terrible exam results but I have to agree that the school needs to be given a chance to improve. If you read the latest ofsted then you will see that the behaviour has improved massively as has the teaching standards and real thought has been given to what subjects are taught to suit individual pupils. People need to remember it will take time.......... what other options are there in Poole to those people who are saying burn it down?? All other schools are fit to bursting, we need to support and encourage this school to develop and improve from this point!
I am not in anyway standing up for terrible exam results but I have to agree that the school needs to be given a chance to improve. If you read the latest ofsted then you will see that the behaviour has improved massively as has the teaching standards and real thought has been given to what subjects are taught to suit individual pupils. People need to remember it will take time.......... what other options are there in Poole to those people who are saying burn it down?? All other schools are fit to bursting, we need to support and encourage this school to develop and improve from this point! lobster32
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7:45pm Thu 26 Jan 12

poolemaninscotland says...

ashleycross wrote:
If they can't even fix the tatty windows which is all you see of the school as you go to the gym, how can they be trusted with children's futures? The children are the town's future and deserve more respect from the town. I've always got the feeling that people like to lord it over people on this estate, ie haven't we done well we don't live on Rossmore. That's the attitude that gets these kids a tatty building and yes you should judge a book by its cover. Tat on the outside, tat on the inside, how can children thrive with that sort of, well it's all they are fit for up there kind of attitude. The ducks in Poole Park have nicer surroundings.
If some government department isn't monitoring them it doesn't get done. Come on governors, education dept whoever, smarten up the school and stop lording it over these people.
The school is spending £11 million on the building in August 2012. Never judge a book by its cover. My garden is a bit untidy at the front of my house in Parkstone so what does that say about me and my family.!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: If they can't even fix the tatty windows which is all you see of the school as you go to the gym, how can they be trusted with children's futures? The children are the town's future and deserve more respect from the town. I've always got the feeling that people like to lord it over people on this estate, ie haven't we done well we don't live on Rossmore. That's the attitude that gets these kids a tatty building and yes you should judge a book by its cover. Tat on the outside, tat on the inside, how can children thrive with that sort of, well it's all they are fit for up there kind of attitude. The ducks in Poole Park have nicer surroundings. If some government department isn't monitoring them it doesn't get done. Come on governors, education dept whoever, smarten up the school and stop lording it over these people.[/p][/quote]The school is spending £11 million on the building in August 2012. Never judge a book by its cover. My garden is a bit untidy at the front of my house in Parkstone so what does that say about me and my family.!!!!! poolemaninscotland
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8:32pm Thu 26 Jan 12

nermal says...

I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that.
That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time.
One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences.
A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself.
I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that. That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time. One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences. A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself. nermal
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8:32pm Thu 26 Jan 12

nermal says...

I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that.
That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time.
One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences.
A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself.
I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that. That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time. One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences. A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself. nermal
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8:36pm Thu 26 Jan 12

WIGGINSv says...

What parents should remember is schools are not graded as to how good they are but according to how much they have improved. This means that if a school improves its literacy levels from 10% to 12% it will be put higher on the list than a school which has maintained a basic literacy of 100%.
What parents should remember is schools are not graded as to how good they are but according to how much they have improved. This means that if a school improves its literacy levels from 10% to 12% it will be put higher on the list than a school which has maintained a basic literacy of 100%. WIGGINSv
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8:36pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Hpower says...

People are concerned about these results, and that's understandable. However, we have to pause for a moment and just think about what's involved in turning around a failing school. Massive changes were needed, much of it cultural. That was never going to happen overnight. Having met several of the teachers, pupils and indeed the principal, I was struck by just how much commitment and passion there is in this new school.

A lot of work is going into the improvement of this school and I expect future results will be much better than in the Rossmore era.

In my view the current team deserve our support.
People are concerned about these results, and that's understandable. However, we have to pause for a moment and just think about what's involved in turning around a failing school. Massive changes were needed, much of it cultural. That was never going to happen overnight. Having met several of the teachers, pupils and indeed the principal, I was struck by just how much commitment and passion there is in this new school. A lot of work is going into the improvement of this school and I expect future results will be much better than in the Rossmore era. In my view the current team deserve our support. Hpower
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8:49pm Thu 26 Jan 12

everythings rosie says...

nermal wrote:
I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that.
That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time.
One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences.
A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself.
I was one of the dregs and my family didn't help me with homework in fact didn't send me to school most of the time but through the support of the school and the belief I had from 2 teachers in particular, I passed my G.C.S.E'S 3 A-C Level, went on to further my education and career. A school can make a difference, they did to me and passing the buck on the material they have to work with is just not fair they are just kids after all.
[quote][p][bold]nermal[/bold] wrote: I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that. That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time. One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences. A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself.[/p][/quote]I was one of the dregs and my family didn't help me with homework in fact didn't send me to school most of the time but through the support of the school and the belief I had from 2 teachers in particular, I passed my G.C.S.E'S 3 A-C Level, went on to further my education and career. A school can make a difference, they did to me and passing the buck on the material they have to work with is just not fair they are just kids after all. everythings rosie
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8:49pm Thu 26 Jan 12

sea poole says...

How can this ACADEMY produce the lowest results in the whole country when there are infinitely MORE schools in far worse socio-economic-cultu
ral 'ghettos' that are producing SIGNIFICANTLY better results? For example, why is it that a school in Birmingham has much better results in English when over 90% of their pupils are either Caribbean origin, travellers' children or have English as a Second Language. If they have produced the results, why can't St. Aldhelms?
How can this ACADEMY produce the lowest results in the whole country when there are infinitely MORE schools in far worse socio-economic-cultu ral 'ghettos' that are producing SIGNIFICANTLY better results? For example, why is it that a school in Birmingham has much better results in English when over 90% of their pupils are either Caribbean origin, travellers' children or have English as a Second Language. If they have produced the results, why can't St. Aldhelms? sea poole
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8:54pm Thu 26 Jan 12

everythings rosie says...

sea poole wrote:
How can this ACADEMY produce the lowest results in the whole country when there are infinitely MORE schools in far worse socio-economic-cultu

ral 'ghettos' that are producing SIGNIFICANTLY better results? For example, why is it that a school in Birmingham has much better results in English when over 90% of their pupils are either Caribbean origin, travellers' children or have English as a Second Language. If they have produced the results, why can't St. Aldhelms?
Maybe because they are too busy blaming the community for its failure!
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: How can this ACADEMY produce the lowest results in the whole country when there are infinitely MORE schools in far worse socio-economic-cultu ral 'ghettos' that are producing SIGNIFICANTLY better results? For example, why is it that a school in Birmingham has much better results in English when over 90% of their pupils are either Caribbean origin, travellers' children or have English as a Second Language. If they have produced the results, why can't St. Aldhelms?[/p][/quote]Maybe because they are too busy blaming the community for its failure! everythings rosie
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8:54pm Thu 26 Jan 12

everythings rosie says...

sea poole wrote:
How can this ACADEMY produce the lowest results in the whole country when there are infinitely MORE schools in far worse socio-economic-cultu

ral 'ghettos' that are producing SIGNIFICANTLY better results? For example, why is it that a school in Birmingham has much better results in English when over 90% of their pupils are either Caribbean origin, travellers' children or have English as a Second Language. If they have produced the results, why can't St. Aldhelms?
Maybe because they are too busy blaming the community for its failure!
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: How can this ACADEMY produce the lowest results in the whole country when there are infinitely MORE schools in far worse socio-economic-cultu ral 'ghettos' that are producing SIGNIFICANTLY better results? For example, why is it that a school in Birmingham has much better results in English when over 90% of their pupils are either Caribbean origin, travellers' children or have English as a Second Language. If they have produced the results, why can't St. Aldhelms?[/p][/quote]Maybe because they are too busy blaming the community for its failure! everythings rosie
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9:23pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Fred Luton says...

The Borough of Poole should be so ashamed. i have just looked at some other local authorities' league tables that also have Grammar Schools and some good Comps.
Plymouth, for example, has 4 Grammar Schools and the results in Plymouth across the board really arnt too bad.
What on earth is happening at "Kemp Welch? It may not have the best catchment area in the country but, for goodness sake, its hardly inner city Liverpool or Birmingham.
The Borough of Poole should be so ashamed. i have just looked at some other local authorities' league tables that also have Grammar Schools and some good Comps. Plymouth, for example, has 4 Grammar Schools and the results in Plymouth across the board really arnt too bad. What on earth is happening at "Kemp Welch? It may not have the best catchment area in the country but, for goodness sake, its hardly inner city Liverpool or Birmingham. Fred Luton
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9:31pm Thu 26 Jan 12

heno42666 says...

nermal wrote:
I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that. That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time. One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences. A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself.
I agree with most of your comments,i have 2 daughters,one went to grammar the other fell just short,catchment ment she was bound for Rossmore,love to know what you ment by `play the system`.We appealed and even considered not sending her and ending up in court,we were talked around by the head teacher at the time (cant remember her name)she did do a great job,but then left !That left her to continue in the minority of the misfits to run free,and i mean run free,my daughter was hit in a class, by a pupil with a metal bar,the school did nothing....just said he had issues !teachers were and still are afraid of the parents of some of the pupils and sometimes let things slide,i removed my daughter from that hell hole and had to put her in a private school, not that we could easily afford it.
when you enterd the doors of that school (Rossmore), all you could hear was the louts F..ing and going, would not hold a door open for anyone,when we went to the private school,you enter a room and they all stood up and spoke to you politely....this school `Kemp welch` has had its chances, its failed for decades,throwing £ms at it wont inprove it one bit !
[quote][p][bold]nermal[/bold] wrote: I have a certain amount of sympathy with the teachers at this school. Any child with a modicum of intelligence will go to the grammar school, so that's the top 'set' gone. The next lot down will probably have enough parental know-how to play the system and get into one of the other schools in the area with a better reputation, the likes of Corfe Hills or QE. That only leaves you with the ones who can't manage to work the system, the educational dregs. The children have very little support from home, and, believe me, you are fighting a losing battle if you don't have that. That said, it should also be remembered that not all children are capable of passing GCSEs at that level. Many are, but many others would be more suited to vocational training, and to try and drag those children who really aren't capable through exams they don't want to sit is a waste of everyone's time. One more point to make: in ANY school, it is possible to have quite substantial variations in ability between year groups, so whilst one year may be particularly bright, another will be less so, making for quite a variation in results from very similar teaching experiences. A further comment about the buildings: I have used the leisure centre on many an occasion, and it was always easy to tell which days this school's children had been in: the place was always in a disgusting state. They have no respect for anything, either the adults in the school or the buildings of the school itself.[/p][/quote]I agree with most of your comments,i have 2 daughters,one went to grammar the other fell just short,catchment ment she was bound for Rossmore,love to know what you ment by `play the system`.We appealed and even considered not sending her and ending up in court,we were talked around by the head teacher at the time (cant remember her name)she did do a great job,but then left !That left her to continue in the minority of the misfits to run free,and i mean run free,my daughter was hit in a class, by a pupil with a metal bar,the school did nothing....just said he had issues !teachers were and still are afraid of the parents of some of the pupils and sometimes let things slide,i removed my daughter from that hell hole and had to put her in a private school, not that we could easily afford it. when you enterd the doors of that school (Rossmore), all you could hear was the louts F..ing and going, would not hold a door open for anyone,when we went to the private school,you enter a room and they all stood up and spoke to you politely....this school `Kemp welch` has had its chances, its failed for decades,throwing £ms at it wont inprove it one bit ! heno42666
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10:31pm Thu 26 Jan 12

magik00 says...

i went to kemp welch over ten yrs ago...
nothing has changed its just worse.
we had history teachers take maths, as well as history. gcse teachers 3 different ones in a yr, not being able to take over what we done will previous teacher, so scrap that work and start again(um no thanks id rather not.) things should never be that low in any school.
i went to kemp welch over ten yrs ago... nothing has changed its just worse. we had history teachers take maths, as well as history. gcse teachers 3 different ones in a yr, not being able to take over what we done will previous teacher, so scrap that work and start again(um no thanks id rather not.) things should never be that low in any school. magik00
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10:48pm Thu 26 Jan 12

smoogie says...

Fred Luton wrote:
The Borough of Poole should be so ashamed. i have just looked at some other local authorities' league tables that also have Grammar Schools and some good Comps.
Plymouth, for example, has 4 Grammar Schools and the results in Plymouth across the board really arnt too bad.
What on earth is happening at "Kemp Welch? It may not have the best catchment area in the country but, for goodness sake, its hardly inner city Liverpool or Birmingham.
oh yes, of course Bourne Estate & Alderney really are 'ghettos' with hundreds of kids on the streets listening to rap music blowing up cars... *rolls eyes* the thing is when I was at the school there where some rough sorts from the estates but some decent kids as well who did well from themseleves & moved away. Also there was a few 'tossers' from the none council areas such as where I was from. Most of them where wannabies trying to live up to the estate kids but most of them where cowards. I saw many cowards at that school and few real 'hard' men. It was all about the pecking order and those who wern't at the top (like myself) missed out but it could have been much worse. It is Parkstone, not The Bronx so why we have the worse school in the uk is shocking when there is much worse areas out there with much rougher schools that are still able to pull a few good results
[quote][p][bold]Fred Luton[/bold] wrote: The Borough of Poole should be so ashamed. i have just looked at some other local authorities' league tables that also have Grammar Schools and some good Comps. Plymouth, for example, has 4 Grammar Schools and the results in Plymouth across the board really arnt too bad. What on earth is happening at "Kemp Welch? It may not have the best catchment area in the country but, for goodness sake, its hardly inner city Liverpool or Birmingham.[/p][/quote]oh yes, of course Bourne Estate & Alderney really are 'ghettos' with hundreds of kids on the streets listening to rap music blowing up cars... *rolls eyes* the thing is when I was at the school there where some rough sorts from the estates but some decent kids as well who did well from themseleves & moved away. Also there was a few 'tossers' from the none council areas such as where I was from. Most of them where wannabies trying to live up to the estate kids but most of them where cowards. I saw many cowards at that school and few real 'hard' men. It was all about the pecking order and those who wern't at the top (like myself) missed out but it could have been much worse. It is Parkstone, not The Bronx so why we have the worse school in the uk is shocking when there is much worse areas out there with much rougher schools that are still able to pull a few good results smoogie
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11:04pm Thu 26 Jan 12

Dr Strangelove says...

Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education...
Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education... Dr Strangelove
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11:36pm Thu 26 Jan 12

pooleite says...

Only failing schools keep changing their names , successful schools don't need to.
So if the little darlings can't read read or do simple maths the they are sent for jollies to gardens and stables . Hmm , quite a few of the more academic children might have liked that chance .
Why keep throwing money at this school , it is a bottomless pit with no apparent benefit to be seen . I feel desperately sorry for the children there who , with more motivated parents , might have had the chance to go to a decent school and to go on to achieve something with their life .
Only failing schools keep changing their names , successful schools don't need to. So if the little darlings can't read read or do simple maths the they are sent for jollies to gardens and stables . Hmm , quite a few of the more academic children might have liked that chance . Why keep throwing money at this school , it is a bottomless pit with no apparent benefit to be seen . I feel desperately sorry for the children there who , with more motivated parents , might have had the chance to go to a decent school and to go on to achieve something with their life . pooleite
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12:11am Fri 27 Jan 12

oh curly girl says...

Reading all the comments for the day, my heart goes out to all the children & what they must be feeling with all this. All I can say that you kids are our future, I for one am proud to live here & the kids I've met have always been kind & pleasant. You hold your heads up high you kids because you are worth it & it doesnt take a load of league tables to tell you that !!! xx
Reading all the comments for the day, my heart goes out to all the children & what they must be feeling with all this. All I can say that you kids are our future, I for one am proud to live here & the kids I've met have always been kind & pleasant. You hold your heads up high you kids because you are worth it & it doesnt take a load of league tables to tell you that !!! xx oh curly girl
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3:11am Fri 27 Jan 12

Tony Trent says...

oh curly girl wrote:
Reading all the comments for the day, my heart goes out to all the children & what they must be feeling with all this. All I can say that you kids are our future, I for one am proud to live here & the kids I've met have always been kind & pleasant. You hold your heads up high you kids because you are worth it & it doesnt take a load of league tables to tell you that !!! xx
Well said. A lot of the comments on here are based more on prejudice and ignorance, and not a lot of understanding. I agree that there needs to be some work undertaken to establish why last years results were so much worse than anticipated, and whether there are lessons to be learned, but to make a judgement this soon would be a grave mistake. Anybody who visits the school, as I have, would see a change in the whole feel of the school. It started in the last year of Rossmore Community College and is becoming more noticeable under the Academy. There are some very challenging children. They would be in the school system whether here or in the next nearest school.
I admire the willingness to find other ways of engaging these less academic youngsters and give them a qualification that's more appropriate to their abilities - some academies have pushed these youngsters off their roll to make the results look better!
There needs to be another basic understanding. Education starts in the home. There are a lot of people out there (in all areas and walks of life) that seek to shed their personal responsibilities and play the blame game. The schools that perform best in the league tables are the ones that work in partnership with engaged parents. The shared responsibilities and partnership is the key bit.
I was educated in this so called "hell hole", as was my eldest Son. Both my Sons went on to university, and there are many ex pupils that have gone on to success in a wide range of careers including arts, politics, engineering, retail, the Police, Fire Brigade and (millionaire) property development. I for one will be wishing the school and it's pupils well, and hope that it reaches it's full potential, and remains at the centre of the area, and that the community embraces it as an asset.
I look forward to the long overdue building improvements this summer - something that was conditional on it becoming an academy!
[quote][p][bold]oh curly girl[/bold] wrote: Reading all the comments for the day, my heart goes out to all the children & what they must be feeling with all this. All I can say that you kids are our future, I for one am proud to live here & the kids I've met have always been kind & pleasant. You hold your heads up high you kids because you are worth it & it doesnt take a load of league tables to tell you that !!! xx[/p][/quote]Well said. A lot of the comments on here are based more on prejudice and ignorance, and not a lot of understanding. I agree that there needs to be some work undertaken to establish why last years results were so much worse than anticipated, and whether there are lessons to be learned, but to make a judgement this soon would be a grave mistake. Anybody who visits the school, as I have, would see a change in the whole feel of the school. It started in the last year of Rossmore Community College and is becoming more noticeable under the Academy. There are some very challenging children. They would be in the school system whether here or in the next nearest school. I admire the willingness to find other ways of engaging these less academic youngsters and give them a qualification that's more appropriate to their abilities - some academies have pushed these youngsters off their roll to make the results look better! There needs to be another basic understanding. Education starts in the home. There are a lot of people out there (in all areas and walks of life) that seek to shed their personal responsibilities and play the blame game. The schools that perform best in the league tables are the ones that work in partnership with engaged parents. The shared responsibilities and partnership is the key bit. I was educated in this so called "hell hole", as was my eldest Son. Both my Sons went on to university, and there are many ex pupils that have gone on to success in a wide range of careers including arts, politics, engineering, retail, the Police, Fire Brigade and (millionaire) property development. I for one will be wishing the school and it's pupils well, and hope that it reaches it's full potential, and remains at the centre of the area, and that the community embraces it as an asset. I look forward to the long overdue building improvements this summer - something that was conditional on it becoming an academy! Tony Trent
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3:23am Fri 27 Jan 12

Tony Trent says...

I used a these rather than a the above when praising the consideration of the less academic children. As is the case in any catchment area and socio-economic group there are youngsters of all abilities. It's important that we don't forget that fact and provide local education for all abilities, and maximise everybody's potential.

Though no longer responsible for the academy, the local authority can help a lot by supporting community building efforts and helping those families where literacy is an issue.
I used a these rather than a the above when praising the consideration of the less academic children. As is the case in any catchment area and socio-economic group there are youngsters of all abilities. It's important that we don't forget that fact and provide local education for all abilities, and maximise everybody's potential. Though no longer responsible for the academy, the local authority can help a lot by supporting community building efforts and helping those families where literacy is an issue. Tony Trent
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7:40am Fri 27 Jan 12

poolebabe says...

I think that rather than re-build the school on that site, re-build it somewhere else to get a better cross section of the community attending. So much money is being pumped into this school, and it is only half capacity, and not likely to rise much with these results! The Ofsted report was encouraging though.

I feel for the pupils, they are being let down in so many ways. At home, in school and community as well. :/ News like this doesn't help to raise self esteem.
I think that rather than re-build the school on that site, re-build it somewhere else to get a better cross section of the community attending. So much money is being pumped into this school, and it is only half capacity, and not likely to rise much with these results! The Ofsted report was encouraging though. I feel for the pupils, they are being let down in so many ways. At home, in school and community as well. :/ News like this doesn't help to raise self esteem. poolebabe
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8:13am Fri 27 Jan 12

Was Charlie says...

As a retired teacher who worked in both "successful" and "unsuccessful" schools as well as a unit for disaffected/ill/phob
ic/pregnant/and any other reason for a pupil not being in school from the ages of 7 to16, I have to say that not every child is capable of getting even one academic GCSE grades. Not every child is capable of getting Grade A Physics. Each has their own ability in different areas, and some will excel in animal welfare and stable management so it's better forthem to spend time at the stables instead of a classroom, but fail in Art, while another will excel in Computer Science but be completely useless at Food Science. We're not all the same, and if you've got a sow's ear you can't make a silk purse out of it.
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Similarly some students will learn well with one teacher, whether or not they're a specialist in the subject or not, while another won't learn with that teacher at all.
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If we were all the same, we'd all have the same qualifications, want to do the same job and get on with the same people. We don't.
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Give the place a chance under the new regime. Hopefully they'll find what each pupil is good at, keep them interested and enable them to gain suitabe qualifications to be usefully employed - that's what it's all about in the end. Getting 5 grade A GCSEs isn't necessarily a reachable goal for some and isn't the best measure of how useful they'll be to society.
As a retired teacher who worked in both "successful" and "unsuccessful" schools as well as a unit for disaffected/ill/phob ic/pregnant/and any other reason for a pupil not being in school from the ages of 7 to16, I have to say that not every child is capable of getting even one academic GCSE grades. Not every child is capable of getting Grade A Physics. Each has their own ability in different areas, and some will excel in animal welfare and stable management so it's better forthem to spend time at the stables instead of a classroom, but fail in Art, while another will excel in Computer Science but be completely useless at Food Science. We're not all the same, and if you've got a sow's ear you can't make a silk purse out of it. ...... Similarly some students will learn well with one teacher, whether or not they're a specialist in the subject or not, while another won't learn with that teacher at all. ...... If we were all the same, we'd all have the same qualifications, want to do the same job and get on with the same people. We don't. ....... Give the place a chance under the new regime. Hopefully they'll find what each pupil is good at, keep them interested and enable them to gain suitabe qualifications to be usefully employed - that's what it's all about in the end. Getting 5 grade A GCSEs isn't necessarily a reachable goal for some and isn't the best measure of how useful they'll be to society. Was Charlie
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9:21am Fri 27 Jan 12

sea poole says...

Tony Trent - 'to make a judgment at this stage would be a mistake.'
-Why shouldn't a judgment be made? The schools has the lowest results in the COUNTRY -not in Poole, not in the SW, but the whole country. Is that not sufficient evidence to make a judgment? Why think 'manana?' It's the kids of today that have been failed -what consolation will YOU give to them that they have been failed by a structure that has not recognised their potential and removed barriers to success? What hope have those leavers been given? To which judgment do YOU refer?
Was Charlie -the adage of making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is not only patronising but insulting. Look at how many inner-city pupils HAVE made a silk purse (to quote your pathetic proverb) especially those who do not have English as their first language. Your statement makes a 'cop-out' of striving for success. As you wrote a saying, I'll also use one -'Aim for the stars and you won't shoot yourself in the foot.' It appears that St. Aldhelms has had its leg amputated!
Fred Luton -Being an Academy removes the monitoring and responsibility from the local authority -Academies are the brainchild of this government -direct your venom towards London, NOT Poole.
Tony Trent - 'to make a judgment at this stage would be a mistake.' -Why shouldn't a judgment be made? The schools has the lowest results in the COUNTRY -not in Poole, not in the SW, but the whole country. Is that not sufficient evidence to make a judgment? Why think 'manana?' It's the kids of today that have been failed -what consolation will YOU give to them that they have been failed by a structure that has not recognised their potential and removed barriers to success? What hope have those leavers been given? To which judgment do YOU refer? Was Charlie -the adage of making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is not only patronising but insulting. Look at how many inner-city pupils HAVE made a silk purse (to quote your pathetic proverb) especially those who do not have English as their first language. Your statement makes a 'cop-out' of striving for success. As you wrote a saying, I'll also use one -'Aim for the stars and you won't shoot yourself in the foot.' It appears that St. Aldhelms has had its leg amputated! Fred Luton -Being an Academy removes the monitoring and responsibility from the local authority -Academies are the brainchild of this government -direct your venom towards London, NOT Poole. sea poole
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9:30am Fri 27 Jan 12

The Liberal says...

How many more excuses can Cheryl Heron come up with? This time last year, she said they hadn't had enough time to turn things around at the school after 2010's fairly poor result of 21%. Well, it seems that a year was ample time to reduce this figure to 3%!
How many more excuses can Cheryl Heron come up with? This time last year, she said they hadn't had enough time to turn things around at the school after 2010's fairly poor result of 21%. Well, it seems that a year was ample time to reduce this figure to 3%! The Liberal
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11:13am Fri 27 Jan 12

Tony Trent says...

The Liberal wrote:
How many more excuses can Cheryl Heron come up with? This time last year, she said they hadn't had enough time to turn things around at the school after 2010's fairly poor result of 21%. Well, it seems that a year was ample time to reduce this figure to 3%!
The 2010 results had nothing to do with the Academy but was in fact a better than average result for the old Community College. As I have said in my previous long missive, there does need to be an independant inquiry into why the 2011 results were so much worse than expected. OFSTED have looked at it and found nothing. With a lot of schools at all levels going through such a transition there may be lessons to learn that will help other youngsters.
As for the catchment area, there are probably more than the average pockets of deprevation, but there are also lots of able children who would get good results at the local school. I hope would be parents will still check out the school and judge the learning environment as it is now, rather than what it has been in years gone by. The Academy seem to be open to visits at 'normal' times.

What I do hope for the future however is that St. Aldhelms Academy do not get pushed into what some other academies and competitive schools do, and that's trying to shed their least academic pupils from their rolls to other schools and institutions in a bid to make the headline figures look better (as reported recently on Newsnight).
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: How many more excuses can Cheryl Heron come up with? This time last year, she said they hadn't had enough time to turn things around at the school after 2010's fairly poor result of 21%. Well, it seems that a year was ample time to reduce this figure to 3%![/p][/quote]The 2010 results had nothing to do with the Academy but was in fact a better than average result for the old Community College. As I have said in my previous long missive, there does need to be an independant inquiry into why the 2011 results were so much worse than expected. OFSTED have looked at it and found nothing. With a lot of schools at all levels going through such a transition there may be lessons to learn that will help other youngsters. As for the catchment area, there are probably more than the average pockets of deprevation, but there are also lots of able children who would get good results at the local school. I hope would be parents will still check out the school and judge the learning environment as it is now, rather than what it has been in years gone by. The Academy seem to be open to visits at 'normal' times. What I do hope for the future however is that St. Aldhelms Academy do not get pushed into what some other academies and competitive schools do, and that's trying to shed their least academic pupils from their rolls to other schools and institutions in a bid to make the headline figures look better (as reported recently on Newsnight). Tony Trent
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11:18am Fri 27 Jan 12

Rusty Tiger says...

I went to the original Kemp Welch school and it seems after 40 years nothing has changed.

My education commenced when I left this school to start work.

I am very much ashamed to admit that I attended this school all those years ago. (As I write this I have a paper bag over my head.)

If this school is going to be demolished, please let me be push the plunger.
I went to the original Kemp Welch school and it seems after 40 years nothing has changed. My education commenced when I left this school to start work. I am very much ashamed to admit that I attended this school all those years ago. (As I write this I have a paper bag over my head.) If this school is going to be demolished, please let me be push the plunger. Rusty Tiger
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1:24pm Fri 27 Jan 12

columbia1989 says...

static kill wrote:
i went their and i fink it wos good.
i can tell, by your poor grammer! but it was "good" right? haha had to laugh at this comment
[quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: i went their and i fink it wos good.[/p][/quote]i can tell, by your poor grammer! but it was "good" right? haha had to laugh at this comment columbia1989
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2:37pm Fri 27 Jan 12

BaronVonParkstone says...

columbia1989 wrote:
static kill wrote: i went their and i fink it wos good.
i can tell, by your poor grammer! but it was "good" right? haha had to laugh at this comment
I think it was a joke. But, if you're going to laugh at someone's grammar, I'd spell it right. And use a capital letter to start your sentences....:-P
[quote][p][bold]columbia1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]static kill[/bold] wrote: i went their and i fink it wos good.[/p][/quote]i can tell, by your poor grammer! but it was "good" right? haha had to laugh at this comment[/p][/quote]I think it was a joke. But, if you're going to laugh at someone's grammar, I'd spell it right. And use a capital letter to start your sentences....:-P BaronVonParkstone
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4:06pm Fri 27 Jan 12

justsayithowitis says...

cheshired wrote:
These cliche headlines do no justice to how hard it is to raise attainment in schools in areas of social challenge. Before retiring I worked in secondary modern, grammar and comprehensive schools. The academic creaming-off done in Poole and Bournemouth gives those teachers in the selective schools a pleasant and easy working life. The others struggle and battle in return for government and press denigration. Schools in these circumstances need time, encouragement and support, not ill-informed criticism.
this school has has decades to improve and millions of pounds wasted on it so how much time are you saying it needs
[quote][p][bold]cheshired[/bold] wrote: These cliche headlines do no justice to how hard it is to raise attainment in schools in areas of social challenge. Before retiring I worked in secondary modern, grammar and comprehensive schools. The academic creaming-off done in Poole and Bournemouth gives those teachers in the selective schools a pleasant and easy working life. The others struggle and battle in return for government and press denigration. Schools in these circumstances need time, encouragement and support, not ill-informed criticism.[/p][/quote]this school has has decades to improve and millions of pounds wasted on it so how much time are you saying it needs justsayithowitis
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4:11pm Fri 27 Jan 12

justsayithowitis says...

oh curly girl wrote:
arrian61 wrote:
MMMM? Carter Community School.
A* to C (inc Maths & Eng.)The results:- 27%, 42% 34% 23% and this year 21%. Definitely a school going from strength to strength. These students deserve better.
Well done to all those students who where successful.
I agree with arrian61. Carter Community School is going from strength to strength & my son will be going there Sept 2013. We have seen the children in our road grow up, they went to Carter & all have good jobs. I even asked one of my neighbours children to tell me honestly what they think about Carter & she replied," That she & her friends love it, the teachers treat us like friends & know all of our names !!" Some of the Carter Pupils helped us with our Fun Day in Hamworthy Park last year & they were an absolute credit to the school, they were kind & helpful. Carter Community School has a very strong community behind it, I am part of that community & proud of it....My family & I back Carter all the way. x
parents happy because the teachers treat children like friends and know their names what a ringing endorsement
[quote][p][bold]oh curly girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]arrian61[/bold] wrote: MMMM? Carter Community School. A* to C (inc Maths & Eng.)The results:- 27%, 42% 34% 23% and this year 21%. Definitely a school going from strength to strength. These students deserve better. Well done to all those students who where successful.[/p][/quote]I agree with arrian61. Carter Community School is going from strength to strength & my son will be going there Sept 2013. We have seen the children in our road grow up, they went to Carter & all have good jobs. I even asked one of my neighbours children to tell me honestly what they think about Carter & she replied," That she & her friends love it, the teachers treat us like friends & know all of our names !!" Some of the Carter Pupils helped us with our Fun Day in Hamworthy Park last year & they were an absolute credit to the school, they were kind & helpful. Carter Community School has a very strong community behind it, I am part of that community & proud of it....My family & I back Carter all the way. x[/p][/quote]parents happy because the teachers treat children like friends and know their names what a ringing endorsement justsayithowitis
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4:40pm Fri 27 Jan 12

Fred Luton says...

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education...
Parents who really want to always find the time even if they work full time. Not easy I know, but the kids should always come before so called "me" time.
Giving up "me" time is a sacrifice that all decent parents make when they choose to have children.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Strangelove[/bold] wrote: Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education...[/p][/quote]Parents who really want to always find the time even if they work full time. Not easy I know, but the kids should always come before so called "me" time. Giving up "me" time is a sacrifice that all decent parents make when they choose to have children. Fred Luton
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4:41pm Fri 27 Jan 12

justsayithowitis says...

Dr Strangelove wrote:
Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education...
Actually most parents of children at this school are at home all day because they dont want to work.They also dont want to help their kids who are only here because we give parents a lot of money to have them.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Strangelove[/bold] wrote: Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education...[/p][/quote]Actually most parents of children at this school are at home all day because they dont want to work.They also dont want to help their kids who are only here because we give parents a lot of money to have them. justsayithowitis
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5:56pm Fri 27 Jan 12

poolemaninscotland says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Dr Strangelove wrote: Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education...
Actually most parents of children at this school are at home all day because they dont want to work.They also dont want to help their kids who are only here because we give parents a lot of money to have them.
Some facts are needed here and I am more than happy to provide them. 74% of the working age group who live in the BH12 catchment area are employed and not claiming benefits. 62.5% of the working age group who live in the Hamworthy area are in full time employment and not claiming benefits.
61% of the working age group who live in the Oakdale area are in full time work and not claiming benefits.
These are facts which are quite easy to find on the internet so I ask you where you have found your information from. Oh let me work this out for one minute. Yes you have made it up. How dare you slander the people of this area. I bet you have never been inside St Aldhams to see the improvements. Maybe it is time for you to go back to school and to stop playing the guessing game. I live in BH12 and I have my own business which is very successful and my daughter will be starting this school in September with no concerns from myself and her mum. The reason why we have no concerns is because we have looked at the bigger picture because these results are down to when it was Rossmore College and not St Aldhams. The next GCSE results will provide a bigger picture of how well or poor the Acadamy is doing so grow up and stop playing the stupid blame game.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Strangelove[/bold] wrote: Most local parents are both at work to try and pay a big mortgage because evan a small house is far to expensive in this area. They don't have much time to spend with their kids to help them with their education...[/p][/quote]Actually most parents of children at this school are at home all day because they dont want to work.They also dont want to help their kids who are only here because we give parents a lot of money to have them.[/p][/quote]Some facts are needed here and I am more than happy to provide them. 74% of the working age group who live in the BH12 catchment area are employed and not claiming benefits. 62.5% of the working age group who live in the Hamworthy area are in full time employment and not claiming benefits. 61% of the working age group who live in the Oakdale area are in full time work and not claiming benefits. These are facts which are quite easy to find on the internet so I ask you where you have found your information from. Oh let me work this out for one minute. Yes you have made it up. How dare you slander the people of this area. I bet you have never been inside St Aldhams to see the improvements. Maybe it is time for you to go back to school and to stop playing the guessing game. I live in BH12 and I have my own business which is very successful and my daughter will be starting this school in September with no concerns from myself and her mum. The reason why we have no concerns is because we have looked at the bigger picture because these results are down to when it was Rossmore College and not St Aldhams. The next GCSE results will provide a bigger picture of how well or poor the Acadamy is doing so grow up and stop playing the stupid blame game. poolemaninscotland
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6:43pm Fri 27 Jan 12

justsayithowitis says...

I dont know where you get your figures but most people in the bh12 area who work would not choose this school for their offspring which leaves the children of people who do not work going to this school. I have lived in the BH12 area all my life and have worked in education so i do know what i am talking about. You can get numbers from the internet to try to prove any point but it doesnt actually prove anything. I am happy that you have no worries sending your daughter there and hope that you dont live to regret it
I dont know where you get your figures but most people in the bh12 area who work would not choose this school for their offspring which leaves the children of people who do not work going to this school. I have lived in the BH12 area all my life and have worked in education so i do know what i am talking about. You can get numbers from the internet to try to prove any point but it doesnt actually prove anything. I am happy that you have no worries sending your daughter there and hope that you dont live to regret it justsayithowitis
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7:05pm Fri 27 Jan 12

Was Charlie says...

Seapoole:
"Was Charlie -the adage of making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is not only patronising but insulting. Look at how many inner-city pupils HAVE made a silk purse (to quote your pathetic proverb) especially those who do not have English as their first language. Your statement makes a 'cop-out' of striving for success."
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I don't consider that insulting - I have great respect for pigs and I have even greater respect for the struggles that some young people have.
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I worked with previously-failing children for more than 25 years and helped the majority to be successful in areas in which they showed interest and could make a career. Have you talked to children who are failing? If you do, you'll find that the one thing that they want is to succeed, which they can't do if they absolutely no aptitude for what they are being forced to do. We're not all artistic; we don't all have mathematical or scientific brains; we can't all learn another language; we can't all write poetry, etc.
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If they can find something at which they can excel and a teacher who can respect them and provide inspiration, then they will, but it won't necessarily be to get 5 grade A-C GCSEs. They'll only have failed in getting those, but will have definitely succeeded in other areas. It's the people who judge schools by exam result who have got it wrong - that isn't the only measure of success.
Seapoole: "Was Charlie -the adage of making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is not only patronising but insulting. Look at how many inner-city pupils HAVE made a silk purse (to quote your pathetic proverb) especially those who do not have English as their first language. Your statement makes a 'cop-out' of striving for success." ..... I don't consider that insulting - I have great respect for pigs and I have even greater respect for the struggles that some young people have. ..... I worked with previously-failing children for more than 25 years and helped the majority to be successful in areas in which they showed interest and could make a career. Have you talked to children who are failing? If you do, you'll find that the one thing that they want is to succeed, which they can't do if they absolutely no aptitude for what they are being forced to do. We're not all artistic; we don't all have mathematical or scientific brains; we can't all learn another language; we can't all write poetry, etc. ...... If they can find something at which they can excel and a teacher who can respect them and provide inspiration, then they will, but it won't necessarily be to get 5 grade A-C GCSEs. They'll only have failed in getting those, but will have definitely succeeded in other areas. It's the people who judge schools by exam result who have got it wrong - that isn't the only measure of success. Was Charlie
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8:44pm Fri 27 Jan 12

ambabe says...

Good to see that despite changing name twice since I was there the old Kemp Welch still shines through *sigh* I'm lucky I had only 2 years there, unfortunately my GCSE years, but I had a good start. Still did appalling in my exams, mostly due to poor teaching!
Good to see that despite changing name twice since I was there the old Kemp Welch still shines through *sigh* I'm lucky I had only 2 years there, unfortunately my GCSE years, but I had a good start. Still did appalling in my exams, mostly due to poor teaching! ambabe
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9:27pm Fri 27 Jan 12

everythings rosie says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
I dont know where you get your figures but most people in the bh12 area who work would not choose this school for their offspring which leaves the children of people who do not work going to this school. I have lived in the BH12 area all my life and have worked in education so i do know what i am talking about. You can get numbers from the internet to try to prove any point but it doesnt actually prove anything. I am happy that you have no worries sending your daughter there and hope that you dont live to regret it
You are right about most people not choosing this school, a great deal of people choose other schools but were allocated a place at St Aldhelm's Academy, remember there are not enough places in all the local schools to fit the children in, I didn't want my child to go there and there have been problems I can't deny that however, I am expecting my child to do well and pass at least 5 G.C.S.E' s, if he doesn't manage that completely he will have a BTEC, a lot of employers are looking for experience over qualifications now and a BTEC is good at giving students real hands on experience. By the way my husband and I are working and I am in bh12, my naighbours are working and some of the children attend the school. Please do not tar everyone with the same brush, there are some very decent people around here who have had their choices limited.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: I dont know where you get your figures but most people in the bh12 area who work would not choose this school for their offspring which leaves the children of people who do not work going to this school. I have lived in the BH12 area all my life and have worked in education so i do know what i am talking about. You can get numbers from the internet to try to prove any point but it doesnt actually prove anything. I am happy that you have no worries sending your daughter there and hope that you dont live to regret it[/p][/quote]You are right about most people not choosing this school, a great deal of people choose other schools but were allocated a place at St Aldhelm's Academy, remember there are not enough places in all the local schools to fit the children in, I didn't want my child to go there and there have been problems I can't deny that however, I am expecting my child to do well and pass at least 5 G.C.S.E' s, if he doesn't manage that completely he will have a BTEC, a lot of employers are looking for experience over qualifications now and a BTEC is good at giving students real hands on experience. By the way my husband and I are working and I am in bh12, my naighbours are working and some of the children attend the school. Please do not tar everyone with the same brush, there are some very decent people around here who have had their choices limited. everythings rosie
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9:32pm Fri 27 Jan 12

Cookie75 says...

Out of the many comments on here, a lot of constructive ones, Sea Poole, you are an idiot.

You are adding nothing to this whatsoever so just keep out.

Your agenda is so blatant it is embarrassing
Out of the many comments on here, a lot of constructive ones, Sea Poole, you are an idiot. You are adding nothing to this whatsoever so just keep out. Your agenda is so blatant it is embarrassing Cookie75
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9:46am Sat 28 Jan 12

sicktotheteeth says...

I feel sorry for St Aldhelms COMBINED School in Winston Ave, they must hate the fact that they share the same name when in fact it has a good Ofsted with outstanding features, and an excellent HeadTeacher. Hopefully people will realise there are no links and their good name won`t be bought down by the ACADEMY`S failings.
I feel sorry for St Aldhelms COMBINED School in Winston Ave, they must hate the fact that they share the same name when in fact it has a good Ofsted with outstanding features, and an excellent HeadTeacher. Hopefully people will realise there are no links and their good name won`t be bought down by the ACADEMY`S failings. sicktotheteeth
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10:57am Sat 28 Jan 12

exScites says...

As someone who taught at the school shortly after it's rebranding as Rossmore for seven years. I read this article and posts with great sadness for the students past and present who are going into the world with the negative associations of their education. With twenty years of teaching experience I can say without doubt that some of best students I have ever taught were there; Bright , articulate and above all resilient as they made their way through challenging circumstances. Please dont ever look down on someone because of where they went to school, that was not their choice. Some of the best teachers I've ever worked with were there as well. Those that were not so good suffered because of the pressure caused largely by a culture that didnt see school as important to them. With the high employment in the local area it was difficult to argue that they needed qualifications where their own experience tended to show them otherwise.

A standard school does not provide the best education for all communities and something different is needed. Whether the current management have the vision and ability to deliver this will remain to be seen.
Transitions are never easy but we are in education for the students and it is clear the current cohort leaving with GCSEs have not performed as well as they should leading to the worst school in the country label which means everyone loses. It shouldnt be too difficult to turn it into the most improved school in the country next year.
I cant comment on the management as I dont know their ability, but please dont label the students as the worst in the country as they most certainly are not.
As someone who taught at the school shortly after it's rebranding as Rossmore for seven years. I read this article and posts with great sadness for the students past and present who are going into the world with the negative associations of their education. With twenty years of teaching experience I can say without doubt that some of best students I have ever taught were there; Bright , articulate and above all resilient as they made their way through challenging circumstances. Please dont ever look down on someone because of where they went to school, that was not their choice. Some of the best teachers I've ever worked with were there as well. Those that were not so good suffered because of the pressure caused largely by a culture that didnt see school as important to them. With the high employment in the local area it was difficult to argue that they needed qualifications where their own experience tended to show them otherwise. A standard school does not provide the best education for all communities and something different is needed. Whether the current management have the vision and ability to deliver this will remain to be seen. Transitions are never easy but we are in education for the students and it is clear the current cohort leaving with GCSEs have not performed as well as they should leading to the worst school in the country label which means everyone loses. It shouldnt be too difficult to turn it into the most improved school in the country next year. I cant comment on the management as I dont know their ability, but please dont label the students as the worst in the country as they most certainly are not. exScites
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11:25am Sat 28 Jan 12

d&ccharacters says...

I havent read all the comment so dont know if anyone already said this but why blame the school for poor results? Yeah theres been changes to the school but we cant blame that for the poor gcse results. We all have constant changes in our lives. It doesnt matter what school we go to, if we want good results we will work hard for it no matter what life throws at us. But if you dont work for it then you arent gonna get good results. Dont blame the school you went to. Im actually speaking from experience.
I havent read all the comment so dont know if anyone already said this but why blame the school for poor results? Yeah theres been changes to the school but we cant blame that for the poor gcse results. We all have constant changes in our lives. It doesnt matter what school we go to, if we want good results we will work hard for it no matter what life throws at us. But if you dont work for it then you arent gonna get good results. Dont blame the school you went to. Im actually speaking from experience. d&ccharacters
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1:27pm Sat 28 Jan 12

justsayithowitis says...

everythings rosie wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
I dont know where you get your figures but most people in the bh12 area who work would not choose this school for their offspring which leaves the children of people who do not work going to this school. I have lived in the BH12 area all my life and have worked in education so i do know what i am talking about. You can get numbers from the internet to try to prove any point but it doesnt actually prove anything. I am happy that you have no worries sending your daughter there and hope that you dont live to regret it
You are right about most people not choosing this school, a great deal of people choose other schools but were allocated a place at St Aldhelm's Academy, remember there are not enough places in all the local schools to fit the children in, I didn't want my child to go there and there have been problems I can't deny that however, I am expecting my child to do well and pass at least 5 G.C.S.E' s, if he doesn't manage that completely he will have a BTEC, a lot of employers are looking for experience over qualifications now and a BTEC is good at giving students real hands on experience. By the way my husband and I are working and I am in bh12, my naighbours are working and some of the children attend the school. Please do not tar everyone with the same brush, there are some very decent people around here who have had their choices limited.
I have never said that there aren't decent people in the BH12 area. I know there are. As you have said though you would not have chosen that school. I was lucky and managed to get my children into other schools. Life is not fair in that a lot of people who work and are therefore paying for schools are not able to make the choice of getting the education there children deserve
[quote][p][bold]everythings rosie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: I dont know where you get your figures but most people in the bh12 area who work would not choose this school for their offspring which leaves the children of people who do not work going to this school. I have lived in the BH12 area all my life and have worked in education so i do know what i am talking about. You can get numbers from the internet to try to prove any point but it doesnt actually prove anything. I am happy that you have no worries sending your daughter there and hope that you dont live to regret it[/p][/quote]You are right about most people not choosing this school, a great deal of people choose other schools but were allocated a place at St Aldhelm's Academy, remember there are not enough places in all the local schools to fit the children in, I didn't want my child to go there and there have been problems I can't deny that however, I am expecting my child to do well and pass at least 5 G.C.S.E' s, if he doesn't manage that completely he will have a BTEC, a lot of employers are looking for experience over qualifications now and a BTEC is good at giving students real hands on experience. By the way my husband and I are working and I am in bh12, my naighbours are working and some of the children attend the school. Please do not tar everyone with the same brush, there are some very decent people around here who have had their choices limited.[/p][/quote]I have never said that there aren't decent people in the BH12 area. I know there are. As you have said though you would not have chosen that school. I was lucky and managed to get my children into other schools. Life is not fair in that a lot of people who work and are therefore paying for schools are not able to make the choice of getting the education there children deserve justsayithowitis
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2:00pm Sat 28 Jan 12

MrsD90 says...

I really can't say that I'm suprised by this revelation. I attended Rossmore, as it were then, up until 2006. It wasn't the best school but the head teacher at the time, Ms Shaw was fantastic and put the fear of god into most of us kids! It's such a shame that she left and took the majority of the good teachers with her. Unfortunately, (I am trying to say this without sounding stereotypical) the location of the school means that there will always be troubled children attending and it will always have problems! What it needs is tough teachers who are willing to go that extra mile to teach these kids. I feel a lot of teachers just give up, I feel sorry for the kids that really do want to Learn.
I really can't say that I'm suprised by this revelation. I attended Rossmore, as it were then, up until 2006. It wasn't the best school but the head teacher at the time, Ms Shaw was fantastic and put the fear of god into most of us kids! It's such a shame that she left and took the majority of the good teachers with her. Unfortunately, (I am trying to say this without sounding stereotypical) the location of the school means that there will always be troubled children attending and it will always have problems! What it needs is tough teachers who are willing to go that extra mile to teach these kids. I feel a lot of teachers just give up, I feel sorry for the kids that really do want to Learn. MrsD90
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1:08am Tue 31 Jan 12

liamagic says...

Why can people not see, that school is never, ever, ever going to do well! you can throw money at it, or change the name a thousand times, replace the teachers, or even set up a mini police station in the middle (oh wait, doesnt it have one of those already) and you wont stop the actual problem. There are some students in that school that are beyond help, yes Its due to where they grow up and how they grow up, but by the time they go to secondary school its already hotwired in. These kids cannot be reasoned with or taught to be good, there is no hope with these kids and its affecting the ones who want to learn. I know this as a former student who left to transfer school in year 9 of 2008. unless you have been to this school, you actually cannot imagine how horrific it actually is. The best thing they could do is shut that place down. or at least get rid of problem students, there is a new school open just down the road specifically for students who are too problematic for mainstream school. Let them go there, let them be forgoten about, let them waste away and stop dragging us down with them!
Why can people not see, that school is never, ever, ever going to do well! you can throw money at it, or change the name a thousand times, replace the teachers, or even set up a mini police station in the middle (oh wait, doesnt it have one of those already) and you wont stop the actual problem. There are some students in that school that are beyond help, yes Its due to where they grow up and how they grow up, but by the time they go to secondary school its already hotwired in. These kids cannot be reasoned with or taught to be good, there is no hope with these kids and its affecting the ones who want to learn. I know this as a former student who left to transfer school in year 9 of 2008. unless you have been to this school, you actually cannot imagine how horrific it actually is. The best thing they could do is shut that place down. or at least get rid of problem students, there is a new school open just down the road specifically for students who are too problematic for mainstream school. Let them go there, let them be forgoten about, let them waste away and stop dragging us down with them! liamagic
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