Campaign’s anger at school sex lessons

CAMPAIGNERS will arrive in Bournemouth this week to protest about sex education programmes in primary schools.

The Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC), which is behind the Safe at School nationwide campaign, is calling for a ban on what it says is “explicit sex education”.

Co-ordinator Antonia Tully will say at a public meeting on Thursday that children as young as seven are “exposed” in the classroom to cartoons showing sexual intercourse. She is asking parents of primary school age children to attend.

The cartoon forms part of the living and growing sex education scheme which the campaign says is the most widely used sex education resource in schools.

“Parents don’t realise this is being used in schools until afterwards. So many parents were getting in touch with us after their children had seen it and were affected by it. The parents came to us looking for support,” she said.

Anne Crossland, Bournemouth council’s strategy leader for primary schools, said: “Current legislation requires all maintained schools to teach some aspects of sex education.

“It is the responsibility of each school’s governing body to develop their policy for this and to make sure it is available to all parents.

“If sex and relationships Education is taught outside the statutory science national curriculum, parents have a right to withdraw their children.”

She added a sample sex and relationships education policy is provided to school governors and the borough works jointly with Poole and Dorset to develop the local Rainbow programme to support the personal social and health education curriculum.

“This includes guidance for each year group on relevant DVD material.

“Schools have been advised to prepare carefully before delivering any sex and relationships education lessons and to be sure to watch any DVD material first to ensure it is suitable, in accordance with their agreed school policy,” she added.

The meeting will be held at the Durley Dean Hotel, West Cliff Road in Bournemouth on Thursday at 7pm.

No-one involved in education at the Borough of Poole or Dorset County Council was available for comment.

Comments(45)

afcb-mark says...
8:56am Mon 10 Oct 11

7 year olds don't need this, let them enjoy their childhood and their innocence.

penhale says...
9:15am Mon 10 Oct 11

If you watch and listen to some youngsters in the street you will find that they no more about sex than the teachers do.

Azphreal says...
9:18am Mon 10 Oct 11

'Society for the Protection of Unborn Children' What exactly does this have to do with sex education? I remember as a child having sex education in my primary school and as penhale says most kids know the basics before they recieve sex education but at least the lessons will give them the real facts.

foggirl says...
9:22am Mon 10 Oct 11

My child was shown this dvd at the age of 9 yrs. The school in question did not inform the parents it was going to be shown therefore not allowing the parents the opportunity to withdraw their children as stated in the schools policy. When i contacted the school i found that the head teacher had not viewed the dvd prior to the children watching it so couldn't possibly comment. All children mature at different ages so i understand it could be appropriate for some but not for others. For my child it was highly inappropriate. I am glad someone has had the nerve to go to the papers as i did contact the echo but pulled out at the last minute. The government complain all the time about underage pregnancies, well STOP showing 7-9 yr olds how to do it then!!!!!

Jetwasher says...
9:27am Mon 10 Oct 11

i think its totally sick and twisted to teach 7yr olds this !

penhale says...
10:47am Mon 10 Oct 11

Jetwasher wrote:
i think its totally sick and twisted to teach 7yr olds this !
What is sick about nature, it's because of the do gooding society of today that we have so many unwanted pregnancies, you can wrap today's generation in cotton wool, kids have to be streetwise, education is not just about spelling and maths, kids need to prepare for the big bad world, at this young age there is no need to go into full blown sex education but it has to start somewhere.
Sex education should be part of modern teaching from a young age and gradually progress through the years so these kids know what they are doing, or not doing, what ever the case may be.

The Liberal says...
10:49am Mon 10 Oct 11

If SPUC’s claims are correct and early sex education is encouraging teenagers to have sex earlier, why is it that the countries with the best sex education (eg Holland) have the lowest teenage pregnancy rates? Not to mention lower teenage abortion rates… something I'd have thought would have appealed to the SPUC pro-lifers.

INDIKARAMA says...
11:31am Mon 10 Oct 11

In the name of sex education our kids are beign robbed of their childhood and innocence. These crude films are never going to imrove or inform our children what is safe, right or even proper conduct in life. The makers of these 'education' materials must be so perverted to even imagine that they are educating our kids!
I withdrew my children from such an assault and no harm done.
Such education has had no effect on our teen pregnancy rates. So wake up! The millions spent on such programmes should be spent on better classrooms or in providing materials for underpriviliged cildren.

Fiona Dee-Pea says...
11:34am Mon 10 Oct 11

This a very serious issue children are being abused emotionally by sex education teaching.


Im not sure about primary schools but in secondary schools they are being taught that abortion is perfectly fine and all forms of sex
(homosexual sexual activity and bi-sexuality) are perfectly healthy and totally normal.

Any child with a different perspective is subtly invalidated.

They are being subject to a form of behaviour modification- childrens boundaries tend to be quite weak and they are very easily influenced by teachers.

Kids are easy prey for this form of politically correct ultra liberal mind control.

The teaching is reinforced by the media so children in our culture dont really stand a chance with regard to insidious amoral brainwashing.

mikey2gorgeous says...
11:44am Mon 10 Oct 11

@FionaDP - where do you get the idea that homosexuality and bisexuality are NOT normal behaviour?
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Have you any idea of the mental torment and suffering that gays have endured by being told they are not normal? How many suicides do you want to see? How much depression and misery?
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"politically correct ultra liberal mind control" - you really are barking. If what you say wasn't so dangerous I'd dismiss you as a harmless loony.
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Suppose you were raped - if SPUC had their way you wouldn't be allowed an abortion! This is not about sex ed - it's about Christian pro-life agendas - and they're using children's health and well-being as a way of wheedling in. Sick.

Gazz43 says...
11:58am Mon 10 Oct 11

Fiona Dee-Pea wrote:
This a very serious issue children are being abused emotionally by sex education teaching.


Im not sure about primary schools but in secondary schools they are being taught that abortion is perfectly fine and all forms of sex
(homosexual sexual activity and bi-sexuality) are perfectly healthy and totally normal.

Any child with a different perspective is subtly invalidated.

They are being subject to a form of behaviour modification- childrens boundaries tend to be quite weak and they are very easily influenced by teachers.

Kids are easy prey for this form of politically correct ultra liberal mind control.

The teaching is reinforced by the media so children in our culture dont really stand a chance with regard to insidious amoral brainwashing.
I have never heard so much cods wollop, you should be ashamed of yourself! Get real. I am totally for sex education at an appropriate level from a young age. Sex/relationships and all to do with it should be normalised and helps kids grow to understand as they become adults that it is a perfectly healthy part of life that can be openly discussed with others when necessary. Not some seedy pass time as the likes Fiona Dee-Pea and her type would have us all believe and that goes for all orientations, myself being a happy straight man!

Adrian XX says...
12:02pm Mon 10 Oct 11

If SPUC were really concerned for the unborn child, they would be promoting sex education, since countries with earlier sex education do seem to have lower rates of unwanted pregnancy. Parents should not be allowed to withdraw their children from these classes as there is no reason to hide a normal part of reality from children.

I think there should be room for the discussion of the morality of abortion in a sex education class - it is an interesting philosophical debate which takes into account the nature of consciousness and the nature of pain.

indefinable says...
12:05pm Mon 10 Oct 11

Imo I think this is all about choices, I as a parent would choose NOT to teach my children about sex at the young age of 7, Yes they ask questions about where babies come from and they are answered as honestly as possible without going into graphic details and definalty not showing them cartoons of adults copulating!
Childhood is a precious gift and should not be hurried along or thrown away.
Let children be children!

PokesdownMark says...
12:15pm Mon 10 Oct 11

SPUC are a lobby group for a highly dogmatic religious viewpoint. They throw up much fear and concern with no substantial evidence to back their claims. Hopefully schools will ignore them and parents will be led by reason and the proven benefits of a thoughtful and considered early sex education.

Bob49 says...
1:26pm Mon 10 Oct 11

"Kids are easy prey for this form of politically correct ultra liberal mind control"
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It never takes much to have the 'political corrctness gone mad' brigade foaming at the mouth. Anything that suggests society has moved on from the 19th century is instantly met with this vacuous bleat.
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Worryingly the idea that taking a 'liberal' view (tolerance and free thing) is to be condemned. We have been here before, and we are still here as with such similar bigoted fundamentalism being enforced in parts of Afghanistan.
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Far more danger to children, and society in general, is this threat posed by this dictorial ignorance which is underpinned by medieval superstition.
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At what age a child should have the facts of life explained to them will always be open to debate. What should not be open to debate is the the preaching of hate, intolerance and ignorance is ever suitable for children, or anyone else either.

Jetwasher says...
3:10pm Mon 10 Oct 11

penhale wrote:
Jetwasher wrote:
i think its totally sick and twisted to teach 7yr olds this !
What is sick about nature, it's because of the do gooding society of today that we have so many unwanted pregnancies, you can wrap today's generation in cotton wool, kids have to be streetwise, education is not just about spelling and maths, kids need to prepare for the big bad world, at this young age there is no need to go into full blown sex education but it has to start somewhere.
Sex education should be part of modern teaching from a young age and gradually progress through the years so these kids know what they are doing, or not doing, what ever the case may be.
For fox sake there are 7 yr olds ! whats wrong with you ?

Jetwasher says...
3:10pm Mon 10 Oct 11

penhale wrote:
Jetwasher wrote:
i think its totally sick and twisted to teach 7yr olds this !
What is sick about nature, it's because of the do gooding society of today that we have so many unwanted pregnancies, you can wrap today's generation in cotton wool, kids have to be streetwise, education is not just about spelling and maths, kids need to prepare for the big bad world, at this young age there is no need to go into full blown sex education but it has to start somewhere.
Sex education should be part of modern teaching from a young age and gradually progress through the years so these kids know what they are doing, or not doing, what ever the case may be.
For fox sake there are 7 yr olds ! whats wrong with you ?

eyesropen says...
3:14pm Mon 10 Oct 11

The Liberal wrote:
If SPUC’s claims are correct and early sex education is encouraging teenagers to have sex earlier, why is it that the countries with the best sex education (eg Holland) have the lowest teenage pregnancy rates? Not to mention lower teenage abortion rates… something I'd have thought would have appealed to the SPUC pro-lifers.
Well said...

Bournehammer68 says...
3:48pm Mon 10 Oct 11

Has any-one on here even seen the film?
here's what we're talking about:
LIVING AND GROWING DVD

All three units and the INSET programme for the Living and Growing series are now available on a single DVD. This includes gently introducing sex education to younger children, through puberty and birth, to media images, same-sex relationships and teenage pregnancy.
Curriculum Connections
•Challenges beliefs
•Positive attitudes, values and behaviour
•Skills for effective communication, loving, caring and happy relationships

Features
•The units in the DVD have been divided up into short five-minute chapters
•Video footage, helping you to improve results.
•The DVD will support the many different learning styles in your class
•DVDs offer greater flexibility and control, making them easy to incorporate into your lessons
•The DVD contains quiz questions after each chapter, discussion points and an INSET programme, to help stimulate debate and make lesson planning quick and easy
•Can be used on computers with DVD-Rom drives and ideal for use on interactive whiteboards
•Fully searchable, allowing you to go straight to what you need

Subject Area Covered

Unit 1 - Age 5-7
•Differences
•How did I get here?
•Growing up

Unit 2 - Age 7-9
•Changes
•How babies are made
•How babies are born

Unit 3 - Age 9-11
•Girls talk
•Boy talk
•Let's talk about sex

not that big a deal really when you have the facts.

Fiona Dee-Pea says...
3:53pm Mon 10 Oct 11

It is not currently compulsory to put sex education in a relational context or focus on emotions or forms of morality.

All forms of sex are not normal and kids are being taught in ways that undermine their future wellbeing and fosters independence from parents-if you are a parent and what Im saying resonates with you please take the time to neutralize the bs and lies being shoved down your childs throat.

Young minds are very malleable with regard to humanistic teaching and the current trend in sex education is amoral & out of touch with the 'real' needs of children and society alike.

Schools need to be prevented from preparing compliant people who due to imbalanced teaching contribute to our country's spiritual decline.

Bob49 says...
4:25pm Mon 10 Oct 11

"all forms of sex (homosexual sexual activity and bi-sexuality) are perfectly healthy and totally normal.

Any child with a different perspective is subtly invalidated.".

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The blinding contradiction in that ill informed twaddle should be obvious - ..... to even a religious crank.
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But then the ideas that underpin such nonsense would have us believe that a man and women produced two childen - who then began the rest of the world's population between them.
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A couple, mind you, who were not even married and spent most of their time wandering around naked.
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ps I wonder in Fiona will refuse to allow those who are not normal' to vote for her at the next local election

Bournehammer68 says...
4:26pm Mon 10 Oct 11

I just had to have a look on the web-site for these zealots and guess what?! They have their own "how you began" educational set. How hypocritcal can you get!!?

Perry_Winkle says...
4:42pm Mon 10 Oct 11

@FDP
The bulk of the 'bs and lies' comes from the reactionary right that you seem so vociferously to want to represent.
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Sex education in schools does need to be managed sensitively, but hysterical pseudo-factual knee-jerk reactions adds nothing to the debate, and indeed exacerbates the danger of irrational choices.
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Please don't try to pass off your dogma-driven opinions as fact.

MhutleyJnr says...
4:44pm Mon 10 Oct 11

Fiona has once again disgraced herself with her fundamentalists beliefs showing her immorality. It is a shame that we still have those that reject reason and base their life on their own interpretation of an obscure contradictory ancient text. I think Parents should be allowed to choose weather their child attends these classes although one might question the motives for not doing so. the innocence argument to me is a non starter. What innocence is lost by the knowledge of how life starts. Times and societys attitude is changing and that should be reflected in our change in education. What would we think if we knew parents still scared their children with eternity in hell for masturbation. The only way we can expect children to make the right, safe and proper choices is to give them possession of the facts in an informed way rather than gossip and exaggerations in the playground. The current system of gradually introducing this information seems to fit this purpose just well.

Lobo says...
4:45pm Mon 10 Oct 11

I think it is a shame that it's a group with a ...controversial package of beliefs etc. are the ones to bring this to the table.

I've recently become a dad and I'm very alarmed at the level of sexualisation that is aimed at our children.

I cannot now remember which programme it was but something like panorama did a show on the progressive sexualisation of children and how it is leading to secondary sexual characteristics developing at younger and younger ages.

I find it particularly alarming that according to the post above detailing the DVD contents that my child could be exposed to this (if not in the classroom then in the playground afterwards by word of mouth) in as little as four and a half years time.

I personally believe that sex education in school has very little to no impact on issues such as teenage preganancy. Teenage sex, std's, preganancy etc. have more to do with general levels of education, morals and respect both for ones self and others.

Lobo says...
4:50pm Mon 10 Oct 11

FYI the program was

Panorama: Too Much Too Young
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/panorama/hi/front_
page/newsid_9349000/
9349215.stm

Bob49 says...
5:59pm Mon 10 Oct 11

"all forms of sex (homosexual sexual activity and bi-sexuality) are perfectly healthy and totally normal.

Any child with a different perspective is subtly invalidated.".

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The blinding contradiction in that ill informed twaddle should be obvious - ..... to even a religious crank.
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But then the ideas that underpin such nonsense would have us believe that a man and women produced two childen - who then began the rest of the world's population between them.
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A couple, mind you, who were not even married and spent most of their time wandering around naked.
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ps I wonder in Fiona will refuse to allow those who are not normal' to vote for her at the next local election

Adrian XX says...
6:22pm Mon 10 Oct 11

I see the debate has developed into a pantomime style argument with both sides accusing the other of talking BS.

There's not much anyone can conclude from "You're a pervert"/"You're a dogmatist".

Bob49 says...
6:55pm Mon 10 Oct 11

"There's not much anyone can conclude"
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though it hasn't stopped you doing so on their behalf

oneshortleg says...
10:36pm Mon 10 Oct 11

So what would you sooner have, children not knowing anything until they are 16 getting preganant or worse still sufferring abuse at the hands of perverts just because they did not know what was happening to them.

eunoia6 says...
10:55pm Mon 10 Oct 11

Fiona Dee-Pea wrote:
This a very serious issue children are being abused emotionally by sex education teaching.


Im not sure about primary schools but in secondary schools they are being taught that abortion is perfectly fine and all forms of sex
(homosexual sexual activity and bi-sexuality) are perfectly healthy and totally normal.

Any child with a different perspective is subtly invalidated.

They are being subject to a form of behaviour modification- childrens boundaries tend to be quite weak and they are very easily influenced by teachers.

Kids are easy prey for this form of politically correct ultra liberal mind control.

The teaching is reinforced by the media so children in our culture dont really stand a chance with regard to insidious amoral brainwashing.
Blimey Fiona your bigotry and ignorance know no bounds!
Abortion is not ok? Even in the case of rape?
Homosexuals and bi-sexuals are not healthy or "normal"?
Pray enlighten us with what is "normal" and healthy in Fionaworld?

Dorset Mitch says...
5:20am Tue 11 Oct 11

Fiona Dee-Pea wrote:
It is not currently compulsory to put sex education in a relational context or focus on emotions or forms of morality. All forms of sex are not normal and kids are being taught in ways that undermine their future wellbeing and fosters independence from parents-if you are a parent and what Im saying resonates with you please take the time to neutralize the bs and lies being shoved down your childs throat. Young minds are very malleable with regard to humanistic teaching and the current trend in sex education is amoral & out of touch with the 'real' needs of children and society alike. Schools need to be prevented from preparing compliant people who due to imbalanced teaching contribute to our country's spiritual decline.
"All forms of sex are not normal..."
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I guess you were found in the cabbage patch?

hamworthygirl says...
7:47am Tue 11 Oct 11

As a grandmother who's grandchildren range for 3 to 10 years old I have noticed that they are already curious and asking questions at about the age of 5. Im all for sex ed in primary schools as long as its apropriate. I would like parents to be more open with childrenas well and not leave it all to the schools. If we had better sex ed and especially contraception talked about maybe we would have less teens being pregnant.

CourtOffside says...
9:02am Tue 11 Oct 11

Fiona Dee-Pea wrote:
It is not currently compulsory to put sex education in a relational context or focus on emotions or forms of morality.

All forms of sex are not normal and kids are being taught in ways that undermine their future wellbeing and fosters independence from parents-if you are a parent and what Im saying resonates with you please take the time to neutralize the bs and lies being shoved down your childs throat.

Young minds are very malleable with regard to humanistic teaching and the current trend in sex education is amoral & out of touch with the 'real' needs of children and society alike.

Schools need to be prevented from preparing compliant people who due to imbalanced teaching contribute to our country's spiritual decline.
I am a parent and I do not expect schools to teach "morality" to my children.

That is my job.

I don't want my children growing up imbued with age old prejudices.

You are right - young minds are malleable - and need to be protected from such religious bigotry at all costs.

Children need to be taught about the world around them so that they can relate to it and make sense of it. Homosexual couples exist and are just as valid as heterosexual couples. Get used to it.

Sex is normal. It is one of life's greatest pleasures.

What is not normal is the repression and denial of that experience, causing hugely damaging feelings of guilt and misery to people who experience and act on perfectly normal urges and sensations.

It is time that religion is taken out of all of our state schools and that we have complete separation of church and state so that we can trust that our childrens' minds will not be poisoned by the likes of you.

Lobo says...
9:13am Tue 11 Oct 11

oneshortleg wrote:
So what would you sooner have, children not knowing anything until they are 16 getting preganant or worse still sufferring abuse at the hands of perverts just because they did not know what was happening to them.
I'd rather that parents were allowed to answer the questions of their children etc. rather than have it rammed down their throat at x age - a decision that probably has more to do with teaching schedules and comittee decisions than ascertaining the readiness of the child.

Lobo says...
9:13am Tue 11 Oct 11

oneshortleg wrote:
So what would you sooner have, children not knowing anything until they are 16 getting preganant or worse still sufferring abuse at the hands of perverts just because they did not know what was happening to them.
I'd rather that parents were allowed to answer the questions of their children etc. rather than have it rammed down their throat at x age - a decision that probably has more to do with teaching schedules and comittee decisions than ascertaining the readiness of the child.

Lobo says...
9:14am Tue 11 Oct 11

Oh and this has been going a few years now...have we seen a dramatic reduction in teenage pregnancy..?

penhale says...
9:15am Tue 11 Oct 11

Fiona Dee-Pea wrote:
This a very serious issue children are being abused emotionally by sex education teaching.


Im not sure about primary schools but in secondary schools they are being taught that abortion is perfectly fine and all forms of sex
(homosexual sexual activity and bi-sexuality) are perfectly healthy and totally normal.

Any child with a different perspective is subtly invalidated.

They are being subject to a form of behaviour modification- childrens boundaries tend to be quite weak and they are very easily influenced by teachers.

Kids are easy prey for this form of politically correct ultra liberal mind control.

The teaching is reinforced by the media so children in our culture dont really stand a chance with regard to insidious amoral brainwashing.
Fiona Dee-Pea-----Exactly what do you see as normal, certain types of sex may in your view be disgusting but these day the law says it legal it's just your opinion and quite frankly your opinion stinks, you need to get your head out of your rear end and get away from the days racism against certain groups just because you don't agree with their actions.
The world has moved on from views such as yours and has become more tolerant.
You also say that "children are being abused emotionally by sex education teaching", have you been on the internet lately, kids as young as five can read and watch stuff much more explicit that they will see in schools,
are you a member of some do gooding society or perhaps a member of bible bashing fraternity, both of which prevent children from exploring life or preparing them for the big bad world in years to come.

Bournehammer68 says...
9:47am Tue 11 Oct 11

Lobo wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
So what would you sooner have, children not knowing anything until they are 16 getting preganant or worse still sufferring abuse at the hands of perverts just because they did not know what was happening to them.
I'd rather that parents were allowed to answer the questions of their children etc. rather than have it rammed down their throat at x age - a decision that probably has more to do with teaching schedules and comittee decisions than ascertaining the readiness of the child.
Lobo, First congrats at becoming a father. It's an amazing journey that nothing else can compare to.
Reading the posts I can see that you are rightly passionate about what your new chiuld will encounter at school re sex ed.
I think however that you are confusing sex ed with sexualisation.
Sex ed teaches children in a relaxed safe environment about the birds and the bees. I know because my children have now left primary school and suffered no ill effects.
Sexualisation is a completely different thing, that's about shops selling inappropriate clothing deliberately designed to make youngsters loomk older. eg. padded bras for preteens.
As a father I welcome education and despise money making media that exploits childrens natural deisre to appear older for finacial gain.

Bournehammer68 says...
9:47am Tue 11 Oct 11

Lobo wrote:
oneshortleg wrote:
So what would you sooner have, children not knowing anything until they are 16 getting preganant or worse still sufferring abuse at the hands of perverts just because they did not know what was happening to them.
I'd rather that parents were allowed to answer the questions of their children etc. rather than have it rammed down their throat at x age - a decision that probably has more to do with teaching schedules and comittee decisions than ascertaining the readiness of the child.
Lobo, First congrats at becoming a father. It's an amazing journey that nothing else can compare to.
Reading the posts I can see that you are rightly passionate about what your new chiuld will encounter at school re sex ed.
I think however that you are confusing sex ed with sexualisation.
Sex ed teaches children in a relaxed safe environment about the birds and the bees. I know because my children have now left primary school and suffered no ill effects.
Sexualisation is a completely different thing, that's about shops selling inappropriate clothing deliberately designed to make youngsters loomk older. eg. padded bras for preteens.
As a father I welcome education and despise money making media that exploits childrens natural deisre to appear older for finacial gain.

Duckorange says...
11:32am Tue 11 Oct 11

SPUC are a bunch of religious scaremongers, and I wouldn't let them near any school my children attend

Lobo says...
11:49am Tue 11 Oct 11

Bournehammer68 thanks for the congratulations.

I'm not confusing anything though - I've seen the videos and I do not think they are appropriate for their target audience and I do believe they cross the line into sexualisation.

Just to clarify I'm not religious but firmly believe the responsibility for explaining the facts of life rest with the parent(s).

Whilst there is nothing wrong with masturbation I do not want my child to be prompted to experiment before they are ready because they have been told in a video that it's very pleasurable - I'd rather they played with Lego quite frankly!

Bodmin Tew says...
5:24am Wed 12 Oct 11

foggirl wrote:
My child was shown this dvd at the age of 9 yrs. The school in question did not inform the parents it was going to be shown therefore not allowing the parents the opportunity to withdraw their children as stated in the schools policy. When i contacted the school i found that the head teacher had not viewed the dvd prior to the children watching it so couldn't possibly comment. All children mature at different ages so i understand it could be appropriate for some but not for others. For my child it was highly inappropriate. I am glad someone has had the nerve to go to the papers as i did contact the echo but pulled out at the last minute. The government complain all the time about underage pregnancies, well STOP showing 7-9 yr olds how to do it then!!!!!
"but pulled out at the last minute."

With advice like that maybe you should be taking the lesson and not complaining about it? ;)

Cookie75 says...
4:17pm Wed 12 Oct 11

Fiona Dee-Pea (sized brain) was the person who they based June Whitfield's character on in Carry on Girls......in 1973

mouse66 says...
9:19am Thu 13 Oct 11

Why have these people chosen to disrepect Baby Loss Awareness Week by pushing their agenda in Bournemouth? Please light a candle this Saturday at 7pm to contribute to the global Wave Of Light in honour of all the little ones who didn't make it, and all the parents and families who will always remember them. Or join us at the Memorial Garden in Poole Park to pay your respects.

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