Girls picking daffodils in park were "stealing", says councillor

Bournemouth Echo: Girls picking daffodils in park were "stealing", says councillor Girls picking daffodils in park were "stealing", says councillor

THREE young girls were reduced to tears when police accosted them for picking daffodils in a Poole park.

Officers told the parents of the girls - Sienna, four, six-year-old Olivia and India, 10 - to move on or they could be arrested for theft.

Jane Errington, mother of Olivia and step-mum to the other two girls, and her partner Marc Marengo were left fuming at the "heavy-handed" response.

But Councillor Peter Adams, who said a family member of his had reported the incident, said taking the flowers amounted to stealing and the behaviour was "unacceptable".

Mrs Errington and her family, from Lilliput, were enjoying the spring sunshine at Whitecliff on Sunday morn¬ing.

She said the girls had brought over some flowers and the family was then approached by the officers.

"The girls had just been picking flowers in the sunshine and were left crying their eyes out," said the mum.

"They say they don't want to go back to the park now because they are scared of the police.

"It seems stupid for the police to be called to deal with this - surely taxpayers' money can be better spent than watching some girls picking flowers?"

Whitecliff is a council-owned park and therefore removing property from it is technically classed as an offence.

Cllr Adams said the girls had taken "large bunches of 70-80 flowers", and that his response had been fair and proportionate.

"We are very proud of our parks and can't have people ripping up public property," said Cllr Adams.

"The parents were encouraging them to do it and it is unacceptable.

"I am a reasonable person and would not have called the police if they were just picking two or three flowers, but this was totally disgraceful."

Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention.

Dorset Police said they had received a report of criminal damage to flower beds on Sunday.

Officers were sent to the scene but no further action was taken, said a police spokesman.

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8:22am Tue 15 Mar 11

Wimwam says...

There are so many 'typo's' in this report I think the author should perhaps be retrained urgently. !!!
There are so many 'typo's' in this report I think the author should perhaps be retrained urgently. !!! Wimwam
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8:25am Tue 15 Mar 11

Morrigan says...

What a JOKE!!

The Police felt able to attend in this case where someone was reported for causing criminal damage, yet when I had my car vandalised just before Christmas and phoned the Police whilst it was still being done, they told me not go out and tackle the lads doing it and that they would attend within 48 hours!!!!!

They never did come to my house, but phoned me the next day and took the details of the damage over the phone and said it would be recorded as an "act of anti-social behaviour", but that they couldn't commit the resources to do anything about it!!!

UNBELIEVEABLE!!!
What a JOKE!! The Police felt able to attend in this case where someone was reported for causing criminal damage, yet when I had my car vandalised just before Christmas and phoned the Police whilst it was still being done, they told me not go out and tackle the lads doing it and that they would attend within 48 hours!!!!! They never did come to my house, but phoned me the next day and took the details of the damage over the phone and said it would be recorded as an "act of anti-social behaviour", but that they couldn't commit the resources to do anything about it!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!!! Morrigan
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8:31am Tue 15 Mar 11

BournemouthMum says...

I'm lost for words (and that doesn't happen very often!).
I'm lost for words (and that doesn't happen very often!). BournemouthMum
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8:43am Tue 15 Mar 11

Wimwam says...

Excellent passwords...."they hurt"....it seems Councillors can if they get the chance ...I cannot understand why Adams could not have had a quiet word with them or perhaps he was watching through binoculars from a distance. ?? The mind boggles. !!!
Excellent passwords...."they hurt"....it seems Councillors can if they get the chance ...I cannot understand why Adams could not have had a quiet word with them or perhaps he was watching through binoculars from a distance. ?? The mind boggles. !!! Wimwam
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8:55am Tue 15 Mar 11

politicaltrainspotter says...

I too am lost for words and i guess the officers who attended might of been embarrassed if they had a heart.Who need politicians like Cllr Adams,your a disgrace.
I too am lost for words and i guess the officers who attended might of been embarrassed if they had a heart.Who need politicians like Cllr Adams,your a disgrace. politicaltrainspotter
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8:59am Tue 15 Mar 11

uvox44 says...

I can see both sides here, it's a bit worrying that the parents didn't see anything wrong in their children picking apparently large numbers of flowers in a public park- imagine if everyone did that then soon the park would be just grass (unless someone decided they'd dig some of that up for their lawn!). It is also illegal to pick wildflowers which might seem draconian but then I'd rather everyone can enjoy looking at them in their natural environment than wilting in a vase. After all daffodils are available to buy in flower shops!
I can see both sides here, it's a bit worrying that the parents didn't see anything wrong in their children picking apparently large numbers of flowers in a public park- imagine if everyone did that then soon the park would be just grass (unless someone decided they'd dig some of that up for their lawn!). It is also illegal to pick wildflowers which might seem draconian but then I'd rather everyone can enjoy looking at them in their natural environment than wilting in a vase. After all daffodils are available to buy in flower shops! uvox44
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9:03am Tue 15 Mar 11

The Witch says...

The parents are to blame in this case, their children were too young to maybe realize that what they were doing amounted to stealing. It is a public park and so therefore the flowers are growing there for everyone to enjoy not for individuals to come along and pick them. Once again we see parents falling down on their responsibilities, they at least should have known that it was not acceptable.
The parents are to blame in this case, their children were too young to maybe realize that what they were doing amounted to stealing. It is a public park and so therefore the flowers are growing there for everyone to enjoy not for individuals to come along and pick them. Once again we see parents falling down on their responsibilities, they at least should have known that it was not acceptable. The Witch
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9:05am Tue 15 Mar 11

Thalfie says...

It might have been more prudent for the officer to speak to the parents. The daffodils are there for all to enjoy and picking them is stealing. The parents are clearly at fault here for allowing their children to continue picking such a large amount of flowers. I doubt whether it would have been necessary to call the police if they only picked one flower each or even a small bunch. Criticising the police officer, especially in front of children, leads to them growing up with a lack of respect for authority, making law enforcement more difficult.
It might have been more prudent for the officer to speak to the parents. The daffodils are there for all to enjoy and picking them is stealing. The parents are clearly at fault here for allowing their children to continue picking such a large amount of flowers. I doubt whether it would have been necessary to call the police if they only picked one flower each or even a small bunch. Criticising the police officer, especially in front of children, leads to them growing up with a lack of respect for authority, making law enforcement more difficult. Thalfie
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9:06am Tue 15 Mar 11

camberra says...

So the parents just stood by and watched their children pick "large bunches of 70-80 flowers". Doesn't say much about the parents responsibility within the community and to their children
So the parents just stood by and watched their children pick "large bunches of 70-80 flowers". Doesn't say much about the parents responsibility within the community and to their children camberra
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9:11am Tue 15 Mar 11

AmsterdamMan says...

I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.
I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you. AmsterdamMan
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9:13am Tue 15 Mar 11

BmthNewshound says...

Its the parents who are at fault in allowing their children to pick the flowers and its right that they were told to move on.
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Last year whilst walking my dogs in Coy Pond Gardens I noticed a parent watching their child as they picked a bunch of daffodils. When I politely told the parent that they shouldn't be picking the flowers they looked very guilty bundled the child (and daffodils) into the back of the car and drove off. The look of shame on the parents face clearly knew what their child was doing was wrong.
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It would be interesting to see how different the response to this story would have been if the parents had been allowing their children to steal sweets from the supermarket rather than flowers from a park.
Its the parents who are at fault in allowing their children to pick the flowers and its right that they were told to move on. . Last year whilst walking my dogs in Coy Pond Gardens I noticed a parent watching their child as they picked a bunch of daffodils. When I politely told the parent that they shouldn't be picking the flowers they looked very guilty bundled the child (and daffodils) into the back of the car and drove off. The look of shame on the parents face clearly knew what their child was doing was wrong. . It would be interesting to see how different the response to this story would have been if the parents had been allowing their children to steal sweets from the supermarket rather than flowers from a park. BmthNewshound
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9:16am Tue 15 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

Daffoldils are a seasonal flower which grow and bloom each spring from the same bulb. They are usually in flower for a short time before disappearing again until the following spring when the process is repeated. If this family had been picking at rose bushes or the like I MIGHT understand Mr Adams' response but to react in such a way to a family enjoying the spring sunshine and picking a very common seasonal flower is just mind-boggling. It's not as if Daffodil's are a rare or protected plant. No doubt Mr Adams is looking for a few "brownie" points from his seniors at Civic Hall!
Daffoldils are a seasonal flower which grow and bloom each spring from the same bulb. They are usually in flower for a short time before disappearing again until the following spring when the process is repeated. If this family had been picking at rose bushes or the like I MIGHT understand Mr Adams' response but to react in such a way to a family enjoying the spring sunshine and picking a very common seasonal flower is just mind-boggling. It's not as if Daffodil's are a rare or protected plant. No doubt Mr Adams is looking for a few "brownie" points from his seniors at Civic Hall! kangman2012
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9:18am Tue 15 Mar 11

hemlock says...

Councils spend hundreds possibly thousands of pounds each year on bulbs for public recreational grounds to be enjoyed by everyone. Headless daffodils are not something to be looked at with great affection.
If the girls wanted to pick flowers the mother should have planted some her own in her own garden or if that is not an option the mother should have looked into the use of an allotment. There is allot to be learnt from the old saying “Take nothing but photos and memories, leave nothing but footprints”
Councils spend hundreds possibly thousands of pounds each year on bulbs for public recreational grounds to be enjoyed by everyone. Headless daffodils are not something to be looked at with great affection. If the girls wanted to pick flowers the mother should have planted some her own in her own garden or if that is not an option the mother should have looked into the use of an allotment. There is allot to be learnt from the old saying “Take nothing but photos and memories, leave nothing but footprints” hemlock
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9:21am Tue 15 Mar 11

Upkeep says...

The family are from Lilliput. What do you expect , they are a rough lot up there.
The family are from Lilliput. What do you expect , they are a rough lot up there. Upkeep
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9:27am Tue 15 Mar 11

TinyLegacy says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Its the parents who are at fault in allowing their children to pick the flowers and its right that they were told to move on.
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Last year whilst walking my dogs in Coy Pond Gardens I noticed a parent watching their child as they picked a bunch of daffodils. When I politely told the parent that they shouldn't be picking the flowers they looked very guilty bundled the child (and daffodils) into the back of the car and drove off. The look of shame on the parents face clearly knew what their child was doing was wrong.
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It would be interesting to see how different the response to this story would have been if the parents had been allowing their children to steal sweets from the supermarket rather than flowers from a park.
Good on you, now I can sleep safe at night.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Its the parents who are at fault in allowing their children to pick the flowers and its right that they were told to move on. . Last year whilst walking my dogs in Coy Pond Gardens I noticed a parent watching their child as they picked a bunch of daffodils. When I politely told the parent that they shouldn't be picking the flowers they looked very guilty bundled the child (and daffodils) into the back of the car and drove off. The look of shame on the parents face clearly knew what their child was doing was wrong. . It would be interesting to see how different the response to this story would have been if the parents had been allowing their children to steal sweets from the supermarket rather than flowers from a park.[/p][/quote]Good on you, now I can sleep safe at night. TinyLegacy
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9:33am Tue 15 Mar 11

westbourneman says...

All the above points say :

The family shouldn't have picked the flowers as they were for everyone to enjoy.

The Police shouldn't have turned up as they were going to come out of this badly

The councilor should have said something themself and made his point direct the the woman.

The parent, Mrs Errington shouldn't have contacted the paper as she has been made out to be a anti-social bad parent.

The echo shouldn't have printed this load of tosh.
All the above points say : The family shouldn't have picked the flowers as they were for everyone to enjoy. The Police shouldn't have turned up as they were going to come out of this badly The councilor should have said something themself and made his point direct the the woman. The parent, Mrs Errington shouldn't have contacted the paper as she has been made out to be a anti-social bad parent. The echo shouldn't have printed this load of tosh. westbourneman
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9:41am Tue 15 Mar 11

Tig says...

I suggest that the police only turned up because it was a councillor that asked them to do so.
I suggest that the police only turned up because it was a councillor that asked them to do so. Tig
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9:43am Tue 15 Mar 11

Trebor_1970 says...

So rather than the council saving money (which we are having rammed down our throats day after day week after week) this idiot thought it best to report it as a crime, call the police, and make a mountain out of a mole-hill, rather than just approach the family state who he was and ask them to stop, instead of spying on them and watching this "crime" progress from a couple of flowers to 80.

Common sense was never a part of any council was it? Get a life.

Saving money my a$$e, just more lies from the BS council.

If you dont want kids in public places where they can possibly commit so called crimes, put some of those big fat pay rises to proper use and give them somewhere to go.

Here are a couple of ideas.

Re open Poole sports centre. Put daily activities on, from sports to crafts, or anything else you might want to charge for. Open Dorset Squash Club as a youth centre. Put these decaying buildings to some use and get your beloved income back over time.
So rather than the council saving money (which we are having rammed down our throats day after day week after week) this idiot thought it best to report it as a crime, call the police, and make a mountain out of a mole-hill, rather than just approach the family state who he was and ask them to stop, instead of spying on them and watching this "crime" progress from a couple of flowers to 80. Common sense was never a part of any council was it? Get a life. Saving money my a$$e, just more lies from the BS council. If you dont want kids in public places where they can possibly commit so called crimes, put some of those big fat pay rises to proper use and give them somewhere to go. Here are a couple of ideas. Re open Poole sports centre. Put daily activities on, from sports to crafts, or anything else you might want to charge for. Open Dorset Squash Club as a youth centre. Put these decaying buildings to some use and get your beloved income back over time. Trebor_1970
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9:52am Tue 15 Mar 11

rook says...

AmsterdamMan wrote:
I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.
Yes, it belongs to ALL of us, including the councillors, not for one family to remove for their own enjoyment. Seeing all the details (assuming they are accurate) completely changed my opinion from the initial headline. I agree that picking a couple would be a nice thing for the children to do, and they probably thought it would please their parents to take them some nice flowers, but significantly changing the look of the park at the time the daffs are flowering is not really considering the feelings of the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]AmsterdamMan[/bold] wrote: I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.[/p][/quote]Yes, it belongs to ALL of us, including the councillors, not for one family to remove for their own enjoyment. Seeing all the details (assuming they are accurate) completely changed my opinion from the initial headline. I agree that picking a couple would be a nice thing for the children to do, and they probably thought it would please their parents to take them some nice flowers, but significantly changing the look of the park at the time the daffs are flowering is not really considering the feelings of the rest of us. rook
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9:55am Tue 15 Mar 11

Mike R-B says...

I am sure that many of us did this when children as presents to Mum, particularly near Mothers day.
I know it is wrong to do so, but I am reassured that Police still "chide" youngsters for indiscretions.
I was always nobbled for cycling on the pavement and no lights.
Now cyclists won't do it even when encouraged and permitted to.
I am sure that many of us did this when children as presents to Mum, particularly near Mothers day. I know it is wrong to do so, but I am reassured that Police still "chide" youngsters for indiscretions. I was always nobbled for cycling on the pavement and no lights. Now cyclists won't do it even when encouraged and permitted to. Mike R-B
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10:00am Tue 15 Mar 11

Wally Bazoom says...

Don't worry, the person in the background of the photo is now counting the flowers to make sure no more get stolen.
Surely (and hopefully!) the councillor is doing what he should by having publics interest at mind and doing something about those that potential ruin things for others… however, it was children!? so why he didn’t just talk to the mum to advise that taking that amount of flowers is a bit excessive I don’t know, as depending on her response he could of then determined if he needed to use police time/resources.

Hang on, I’ve just seen a child having a tantrum in the park. that’s ‘Breach of the Peace’ - I’ll call the police…
Don't worry, the person in the background of the photo is now counting the flowers to make sure no more get stolen. Surely (and hopefully!) the councillor is doing what he should by having publics interest at mind and doing something about those that potential ruin things for others… however, it was children!? so why he didn’t just talk to the mum to advise that taking that amount of flowers is a bit excessive I don’t know, as depending on her response he could of then determined if he needed to use police time/resources. Hang on, I’ve just seen a child having a tantrum in the park. that’s ‘Breach of the Peace’ - I’ll call the police… Wally Bazoom
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10:06am Tue 15 Mar 11

theNerve says...

Get over it
That wasn't heavy handed.Beeing carted down the station is.
Good on the police for being practical and telling them off.the flowers are there for us all to enjoy, and its great that a policeman told them off.
The kids were in the wrong. so who is complaining here? Very stupid Chavy mums, in fake uggs!
Get over it That wasn't heavy handed.Beeing carted down the station is. Good on the police for being practical and telling them off.the flowers are there for us all to enjoy, and its great that a policeman told them off. The kids were in the wrong. so who is complaining here? Very stupid Chavy mums, in fake uggs! theNerve
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10:08am Tue 15 Mar 11

Jonkers says...

the girls had taken "large bunches of 70-80 flowers"
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Of course this should not have been ignored. To allow it is the real crime. They're effectivley bringing up their children to be thoughtless, greedy, inconsiderate thieves with no respect for public property. Over the top? Maybe, but things learnt as a child tend to stick.
the girls had taken "large bunches of 70-80 flowers" - Of course this should not have been ignored. To allow it is the real crime. They're effectivley bringing up their children to be thoughtless, greedy, inconsiderate thieves with no respect for public property. Over the top? Maybe, but things learnt as a child tend to stick. Jonkers
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10:09am Tue 15 Mar 11

boverboy says...

The Councillor lacks communication skills - a word with the parents would have been sufficient
The Councillor lacks communication skills - a word with the parents would have been sufficient boverboy
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10:11am Tue 15 Mar 11

Phixer says...

"Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention."


So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit.
"Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention." So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit. Phixer
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10:16am Tue 15 Mar 11

Phixer says...

".... Councillor Peter Adams, who reported the family, said taking the flowers amounted to stealing ....."


I don't condone 'defacing' a public area but as the bulbs have been, and will be in the ground for many years, then nothing has actually been 'stolen'.
".... Councillor Peter Adams, who reported the family, said taking the flowers amounted to stealing ....." I don't condone 'defacing' a public area but as the bulbs have been, and will be in the ground for many years, then nothing has actually been 'stolen'. Phixer
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10:26am Tue 15 Mar 11

twynham says...

Interesting advertising juxtaposition!
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10:28am Tue 15 Mar 11

sprint says...

I'm very much with Councillor Adams on this. I'd also question anyone commenting that "he should have spoken to the mothers himself." Have any of you ever tried to speak to a mother regarding the behaviour of their child? It is not pleasant I can tell you. I used to work as a lifeguard on Bournemouth Beach, and even when there were red flags flying, and anyone with any common sense could see it was too dangerous for swimming, I was given all sorts of abuse for trying to advise mums that "know best" their children should not be swimming in the water.
I'm very much with Councillor Adams on this. I'd also question anyone commenting that "he should have spoken to the mothers himself." Have any of you ever tried to speak to a mother regarding the behaviour of their child? It is not pleasant I can tell you. I used to work as a lifeguard on Bournemouth Beach, and even when there were red flags flying, and anyone with any common sense could see it was too dangerous for swimming, I was given all sorts of abuse for trying to advise mums that "know best" their children should not be swimming in the water. sprint
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10:30am Tue 15 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

Phixer wrote:
"Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention." So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit.
How can you possibly say that 3 young girls picking flowers, regardless of the amount, is showing that the parents have a lack of control and that Social Services should become involved. It's pathetic over-reaction to the already pathetic "nannying" laws that exist in this sad little country by so-called "officials" and people like you who like to stick their "fourpenneth" in as an afterthought that turn an extremely minor incident into something that is being blown out of all proportion - "don't complain if Social Services pay you a visit" - what an absolute idiot you are!
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention." So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly say that 3 young girls picking flowers, regardless of the amount, is showing that the parents have a lack of control and that Social Services should become involved. It's pathetic over-reaction to the already pathetic "nannying" laws that exist in this sad little country by so-called "officials" and people like you who like to stick their "fourpenneth" in as an afterthought that turn an extremely minor incident into something that is being blown out of all proportion - "don't complain if Social Services pay you a visit" - what an absolute idiot you are! kangman2012
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10:36am Tue 15 Mar 11

indefinable says...

"Take nothing but a photograph, leave nothing but a footprint" or words to that affect! Parents are to blame here, I wouldn't be suprised if the parents had even encouraged or asked the young children to do this!
Flowers are there for Everyone's enjoyment, not for a select few to decorate there own home's!
"Take nothing but a photograph, leave nothing but a footprint" or words to that affect! Parents are to blame here, I wouldn't be suprised if the parents had even encouraged or asked the young children to do this! Flowers are there for Everyone's enjoyment, not for a select few to decorate there own home's! indefinable
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11:08am Tue 15 Mar 11

topofall says...

Irresponsible parents - nothing more to say!
Irresponsible parents - nothing more to say! topofall
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11:14am Tue 15 Mar 11

Azrael says...

In my very very best Katharine Tate Voice :-

This is very very very too unbelievable for words. In my Victor Meldrew Voice :-

I do not believe it.

This is truly pathetic. The Echo ignores real stories like this

http://www.facebook.
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In my very very best Katharine Tate Voice :- This is very very very too unbelievable for words. In my Victor Meldrew Voice :- I do not believe it. This is truly pathetic. The Echo ignores real stories like this http://www.facebook. com/home.php?sk=grou p_131501636918811 Azrael
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11:18am Tue 15 Mar 11

Trebor_1970 says...

How many daisies, daffodils, blades of grass we actually removed from whitecliff, to whack in an area for hundreds of kids to be left unsupervised, and create an enormous amount of noise to disrupt the peace and quiet that was once there.

Charge the council as guilty of doing exactly the same as these poor girls. The only difference is the council dug up the bulbs and dumped them somewhere.

Hope no one is planning on making daisy chains with their daughters in a public place this year, you criminals.

picking daffodils = criminal offence

making daisy chains = criminal offence

walking on grass = criminal offence (break the blades it dies = no grass)

allowing your dog to pee on the grass and flowers = criminal offence (kills both = no grass and no flowers.)

petty, pathetic and down right stupid.

Do something useful for the public
How many daisies, daffodils, blades of grass we actually removed from whitecliff, to whack in an area for hundreds of kids to be left unsupervised, and create an enormous amount of noise to disrupt the peace and quiet that was once there. Charge the council as guilty of doing exactly the same as these poor girls. The only difference is the council dug up the bulbs and dumped them somewhere. Hope no one is planning on making daisy chains with their daughters in a public place this year, you criminals. picking daffodils = criminal offence making daisy chains = criminal offence walking on grass = criminal offence (break the blades it dies = no grass) allowing your dog to pee on the grass and flowers = criminal offence (kills both = no grass and no flowers.) petty, pathetic and down right stupid. Do something useful for the public Trebor_1970
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11:23am Tue 15 Mar 11

geoffro says...

the parents should be brought to book for letting their kids do it in the first place thats the trouble with this country at the moment there is no respect for anybody or thing
the parents should be brought to book for letting their kids do it in the first place thats the trouble with this country at the moment there is no respect for anybody or thing geoffro
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11:24am Tue 15 Mar 11

GrahamC says...

The parents may have been irresponsible BUT for this Adams individual to say nothing but stand back and have the Police intimidate a 4 YEAR OLD CHILD means as far as I am concerned he is little more than a COWARD AND A BULLY........ !

Also I doubt that young girls of that age could possible carry '70 - 80' flowers so lets add LIAR to the list.
The parents may have been irresponsible BUT for this Adams individual to say nothing but stand back and have the Police intimidate a 4 YEAR OLD CHILD means as far as I am concerned he is little more than a COWARD AND A BULLY........ ! Also I doubt that young girls of that age could possible carry '70 - 80' flowers so lets add LIAR to the list. GrahamC
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11:26am Tue 15 Mar 11

Syd Poumen says...

Whilst I certainly do not condone the attitude of these parents to their childrens' behaviour, it is ironic that Cllr Adams should create such a stir about 'people ripping up public property', when he has just sanctioned the destruction of the 'iconic' flower beds at the entrance to Poole Park!
Whilst I certainly do not condone the attitude of these parents to their childrens' behaviour, it is ironic that Cllr Adams should create such a stir about 'people ripping up public property', when he has just sanctioned the destruction of the 'iconic' flower beds at the entrance to Poole Park! Syd Poumen
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11:41am Tue 15 Mar 11

Morrigan says...

After claming down from my initial irritation abour the Police calling on these kids, I cannot help but wonder about two parents who say things like "if anyone had told us what our kids were doing, we would have stopped them" !!

Is it not the responsibilty of the PARENTS to keep an eye on their kids, rather than expecting everyone else to do it for them?

So I am guessing it would also have been "someone else's fault" if whilst they were not watching their kids, a peado came along and snatched them?

Lazy incompetant parents and no doubt from Lilliput they think they're better than the rest of us. IDIOTS!!
After claming down from my initial irritation abour the Police calling on these kids, I cannot help but wonder about two parents who say things like "if anyone had told us what our kids were doing, we would have stopped them" !! Is it not the responsibilty of the PARENTS to keep an eye on their kids, rather than expecting everyone else to do it for them? So I am guessing it would also have been "someone else's fault" if whilst they were not watching their kids, a peado came along and snatched them? Lazy incompetant parents and no doubt from Lilliput they think they're better than the rest of us. IDIOTS!! Morrigan
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11:43am Tue 15 Mar 11

Wally Bazoom says...

Syd Poumen wrote:
Whilst I certainly do not condone the attitude of these parents to their childrens' behaviour, it is ironic that Cllr Adams should create such a stir about 'people ripping up public property', when he has just sanctioned the destruction of the 'iconic' flower beds at the entrance to Poole Park!
…maybe he should have told the mum to take her daughters there to take flowers - two birds one stone, everyone’s a winner (well, apart from the flowers)!
[quote][p][bold]Syd Poumen[/bold] wrote: Whilst I certainly do not condone the attitude of these parents to their childrens' behaviour, it is ironic that Cllr Adams should create such a stir about 'people ripping up public property', when he has just sanctioned the destruction of the 'iconic' flower beds at the entrance to Poole Park![/p][/quote]…maybe he should have told the mum to take her daughters there to take flowers - two birds one stone, everyone’s a winner (well, apart from the flowers)! Wally Bazoom
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11:46am Tue 15 Mar 11

steveatbournemouth says...

Of course it is wrong to pick the flowers in the Park - I cannot understand how the stupid Parents didn't think it was wrong??
If everyone picked the flowers when they wanted, we wouldn't have any lovely Parks to enjoy.
Would these parents mind if I helped myself to their property???
Of course it is wrong to pick the flowers in the Park - I cannot understand how the stupid Parents didn't think it was wrong?? If everyone picked the flowers when they wanted, we wouldn't have any lovely Parks to enjoy. Would these parents mind if I helped myself to their property??? steveatbournemouth
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11:57am Tue 15 Mar 11

LilliputMum1 says...

As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so.

We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning.

When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known.

Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children. LilliputMum1
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12:01pm Tue 15 Mar 11

tosh599 says...

boverboy wrote:
The Councillor lacks communication skills - a word with the parents would have been sufficient
Totally agree with bovverboy, and as other people have said, as soon as the police were called, the police were always going to be in the wrong............BUT once called, surely they could have dealt with it out of the earshot of the kids? Its the parents who need talking too, not the kids! Amazed at how daffodil picking has produced such an online response!
[quote][p][bold]boverboy[/bold] wrote: The Councillor lacks communication skills - a word with the parents would have been sufficient[/p][/quote]Totally agree with bovverboy, and as other people have said, as soon as the police were called, the police were always going to be in the wrong............BUT once called, surely they could have dealt with it out of the earshot of the kids? Its the parents who need talking too, not the kids! Amazed at how daffodil picking has produced such an online response! tosh599
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12:01pm Tue 15 Mar 11

tosh599 says...

Totally agree with bovverboy, and as other people have said, as soon as the police were called, the police were always going to be in the wrong............BUT once called, surely they could have dealt with it out of the earshot of the kids? Its the parents who need talking too, not the kids! Amazed at how daffodil picking has produced such an online response!
Totally agree with bovverboy, and as other people have said, as soon as the police were called, the police were always going to be in the wrong............BUT once called, surely they could have dealt with it out of the earshot of the kids? Its the parents who need talking too, not the kids! Amazed at how daffodil picking has produced such an online response! tosh599
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12:08pm Tue 15 Mar 11

ljc1976 says...

I'm in the unusual position of agreeing with a Cllr. 2-3 flowers, fine, not a problem. 80!? That's tantamount to vandalism, albeit with innocent intentions, and the parents should've intervened.
I'm in the unusual position of agreeing with a Cllr. 2-3 flowers, fine, not a problem. 80!? That's tantamount to vandalism, albeit with innocent intentions, and the parents should've intervened. ljc1976
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12:11pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

They should have all been arrested and charged with theft and criminal damage after which they should have been 'named and shamed.' Going to the park, riding on the engines, strolling and watching all the flowers is such a joy after miserable winter and these people decide to rip the flowers out. These anti-social elements must be rooted out lock stock and barrell, and preferably exiled from the county.
No ifs, no buts.
They should have all been arrested and charged with theft and criminal damage after which they should have been 'named and shamed.' Going to the park, riding on the engines, strolling and watching all the flowers is such a joy after miserable winter and these people decide to rip the flowers out. These anti-social elements must be rooted out lock stock and barrell, and preferably exiled from the county. No ifs, no buts. rodoftruth
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12:12pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

They should have all been arrested and charged with theft and criminal damage after which they should have been 'named and shamed.' Going to the park, riding on the engines, strolling and watching all the flowers is such a joy after miserable winter and these people decide to rip the flowers out. These anti-social elements must be rooted out lock stock and barrell, and preferably exiled from the county.
No ifs, no buts.
They should have all been arrested and charged with theft and criminal damage after which they should have been 'named and shamed.' Going to the park, riding on the engines, strolling and watching all the flowers is such a joy after miserable winter and these people decide to rip the flowers out. These anti-social elements must be rooted out lock stock and barrell, and preferably exiled from the county. No ifs, no buts. rodoftruth
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12:12pm Tue 15 Mar 11

crabbi says...

AmsterdamMan wrote:
I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.
...and public property is owned by us all COLLECTIVELY and not INDIVIDUALLY...

This means that we have a right to enjoy it... NOT a right to destroy it....
[quote][p][bold]AmsterdamMan[/bold] wrote: I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.[/p][/quote]...and public property is owned by us all COLLECTIVELY and not INDIVIDUALLY... This means that we have a right to enjoy it... NOT a right to destroy it.... crabbi
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12:16pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Morrigan says...

LilliputMum1 wrote:
As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so.

We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning.

When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known.

Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
I cannot believe you did not know it was wrong!! Even if you were not aware it was a crime of theft - did you not even think that by allowing them to rip up the flowers, they were taking away everyone else's enjoyment of those flowers?

No I'm guessing not. As long as *your* kids were enjoyiong themselves without a thought for other people eh?

Like mother like child ......
[quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]I cannot believe you did not know it was wrong!! Even if you were not aware it was a crime of theft - did you not even think that by allowing them to rip up the flowers, they were taking away everyone else's enjoyment of those flowers? No I'm guessing not. As long as *your* kids were enjoyiong themselves without a thought for other people eh? Like mother like child ...... Morrigan
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12:17pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Marcus James says...

LilliputMum1 wrote:
As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
I question your parenting skills and common sense.
You didn't know that it was wrong for the children to pull more than 20+ flowers from the ground??? The article mentions 80 but even at your estimate of 20+ how can you not know this is wrong?
One or two I would say fair enough? One for mum and one for dad etc but 20+ come on!
I would class it as vandalism in the mildest form, the fact the children are so young would mean that fair enough they didn’t really know what they were doing. However you are an adult and a parent, if this is what we teach our kids, that it is acceptable to go to a public park and pull the flowers from the ground then what chance do we have.
Lilliputmum1 you are obviously not aware of what is morally acceptable and the fact you went to the paper to complain shows that you still don’t think what your kids did was wrong.
I wonder if you would mind us all coming to your house and ripping the heads off your flowers??
[quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]I question your parenting skills and common sense. You didn't know that it was wrong for the children to pull more than 20+ flowers from the ground??? The article mentions 80 but even at your estimate of 20+ how can you not know this is wrong? One or two I would say fair enough? One for mum and one for dad etc but 20+ come on! I would class it as vandalism in the mildest form, the fact the children are so young would mean that fair enough they didn’t really know what they were doing. However you are an adult and a parent, if this is what we teach our kids, that it is acceptable to go to a public park and pull the flowers from the ground then what chance do we have. Lilliputmum1 you are obviously not aware of what is morally acceptable and the fact you went to the paper to complain shows that you still don’t think what your kids did was wrong. I wonder if you would mind us all coming to your house and ripping the heads off your flowers?? Marcus James
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12:21pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

The fine should also include community service in the parks cleaning the paths, planting daffodils paid for by the fine.
If they did not work hard enough they should be beaten by prison wardens.
This is where ferral youth and social disintegration starts.
The fine should also include community service in the parks cleaning the paths, planting daffodils paid for by the fine. If they did not work hard enough they should be beaten by prison wardens. This is where ferral youth and social disintegration starts. rodoftruth
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12:22pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Jonkers says...

boring, ill thought out response = criminal offence.......
boring, ill thought out response = criminal offence....... Jonkers
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12:22pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Patlad says...

Personally I'm more worried about the Parents than the Child or the Police. To sit there and let a Child pull up Flowerrs in a Park without telling Them it was wrong, just beggars belief. I wonder if They would have as understanding if a Child had picked the Flowers out of Their front Garden, while the Parents stood by.
Personally I'm more worried about the Parents than the Child or the Police. To sit there and let a Child pull up Flowerrs in a Park without telling Them it was wrong, just beggars belief. I wonder if They would have as understanding if a Child had picked the Flowers out of Their front Garden, while the Parents stood by. Patlad
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12:22pm Tue 15 Mar 11

downmoor-ch says...

Now that the whistleblower has been named, he should now be shamed, as a councillor, an absolute Waste of council tax money, be sure to get rid of him, and others like him!. MAY IS THE MONTH TO DO IT, and EVERY VOTE COUNTS!.
Now that the whistleblower has been named, he should now be shamed, as a councillor, an absolute Waste of council tax money, be sure to get rid of him, and others like him!. MAY IS THE MONTH TO DO IT, and EVERY VOTE COUNTS!. downmoor-ch
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12:23pm Tue 15 Mar 11

TheDistrict says...

The location is Whitecliffe Park..Therefore we are to assume that Cllr Adams was also enjoying a Sunday morning stroll or visit to the park. Or was he on some sort of spying mission to gain brownie points prior to elections.
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Wrongly or rightly, this was not a crime as such which warranted the calling of the Police, who frankly could have done without such matters, and dealt with courteously by the Cllr himself. Or is he such a whimp that he does not have the guts to approach other adults. I wonder what he would have done if the children, slightly older maybe, had been in the park on their own.
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Considering the recent notice given by the council to stop flower growing within Poole Park, and do think the Cllr could have been somewhat more grown up on this matter. Likewise, we often see in open spaces, Council workers mowing down beds of wild daffodils, and crocuses somewhate earlier than should be, with the excuse of dead heading, with many flower heads still to open.
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A better approach would have been a better option.
The location is Whitecliffe Park..Therefore we are to assume that Cllr Adams was also enjoying a Sunday morning stroll or visit to the park. Or was he on some sort of spying mission to gain brownie points prior to elections. . Wrongly or rightly, this was not a crime as such which warranted the calling of the Police, who frankly could have done without such matters, and dealt with courteously by the Cllr himself. Or is he such a whimp that he does not have the guts to approach other adults. I wonder what he would have done if the children, slightly older maybe, had been in the park on their own. . Considering the recent notice given by the council to stop flower growing within Poole Park, and do think the Cllr could have been somewhat more grown up on this matter. Likewise, we often see in open spaces, Council workers mowing down beds of wild daffodils, and crocuses somewhate earlier than should be, with the excuse of dead heading, with many flower heads still to open. . A better approach would have been a better option. TheDistrict
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12:24pm Tue 15 Mar 11

ljc1976 says...

I wonder if after reading these comments the parents regret their decision (I assume) to go running to the Echo to complain. Even 20 daffs is excessive...
I wonder if after reading these comments the parents regret their decision (I assume) to go running to the Echo to complain. Even 20 daffs is excessive... ljc1976
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12:27pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Icefyre says...

Obviously the Police had a quiet Sunday on this particular day. That's why they attended this act of vandalism.

If they had been busy involved in more pressing areas they wouldn't of even turned up. So in fact it's put our local Police resources to good use rather than them just driving around our sitting doing nothing.

And I applaud the fact that these little girls don't wish to visit the park again. Then we Poole residents who value the visual pleasure that these flowers bring can enjoy them.

And i wish to applaud Poole Borough Council who spend time and resources making our parks a pleasure to visit.

If every body thought, as in the case of MRS ERRINGTON thatit was acceptable to take what they want, we would live in an unsightly town.

Perhaps if MRS ERRINGTON would have put in the effort to being a responsible parent, her girls would grow up to know what's right and wrong. Rather than the vandals they're becoming. What was she, and her partner doing while her 3 girls were picking SO MANY (70-80) flowers. It takes time to do this.

And obviously, her 3 girls are so upset that MRS ERRINGTON feels a continued need to carry on the fight. When she's so clearly in the wrong.

Perhaps the good samaritan should of called Social Services rather than the Police.
Obviously the Police had a quiet Sunday on this particular day. That's why they attended this act of vandalism. If they had been busy involved in more pressing areas they wouldn't of even turned up. So in fact it's put our local Police resources to good use rather than them just driving around our sitting doing nothing. And I applaud the fact that these little girls don't wish to visit the park again. Then we Poole residents who value the visual pleasure that these flowers bring can enjoy them. And i wish to applaud Poole Borough Council who spend time and resources making our parks a pleasure to visit. If every body thought, as in the case of MRS ERRINGTON thatit was acceptable to take what they want, we would live in an unsightly town. Perhaps if MRS ERRINGTON would have put in the effort to being a responsible parent, her girls would grow up to know what's right and wrong. Rather than the vandals they're becoming. What was she, and her partner doing while her 3 girls were picking SO MANY (70-80) flowers. It takes time to do this. And obviously, her 3 girls are so upset that MRS ERRINGTON feels a continued need to carry on the fight. When she's so clearly in the wrong. Perhaps the good samaritan should of called Social Services rather than the Police. Icefyre
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12:28pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Jonkers says...

"As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so."
"I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here." (sic).
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Thanks as, for me personally, this tells me all I need to know.

(Stupid is as stupid does......)
"As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so." "I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here." (sic). .. Thanks as, for me personally, this tells me all I need to know. (Stupid is as stupid does......) Jonkers
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12:29pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

I agree - Social Services should be alerted to this so-called mother.
I agree - Social Services should be alerted to this so-called mother. rodoftruth
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12:36pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

I agree - she says there should be a sign saying - DONT PICK / VANDALISE THE FLOWERS PLEASE
OTHERS MAY ENJOY THE FLOWERS!

Then she wouldn't have allowed her children to vandalise the park - It really does not get more retarded does it?

How about
PLEASE DO NOT DEFECATE ON THE PATHS!

NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY BY THE TREES PLEASE!

NO PAEDOPHILES PLEASE!

PLEASE - NO PLOUGHING IN PARK.

NO TRACTORS OR TANKS ALLOWED IN PARK.

ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS MUMMY?
I agree - she says there should be a sign saying - DONT PICK / VANDALISE THE FLOWERS PLEASE OTHERS MAY ENJOY THE FLOWERS! Then she wouldn't have allowed her children to vandalise the park - It really does not get more retarded does it? How about PLEASE DO NOT DEFECATE ON THE PATHS! NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY BY THE TREES PLEASE! NO PAEDOPHILES PLEASE! PLEASE - NO PLOUGHING IN PARK. NO TRACTORS OR TANKS ALLOWED IN PARK. ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS MUMMY? rodoftruth
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12:41pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Morrigan says...

PMSL @ rodoftruth
PMSL @ rodoftruth Morrigan
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12:48pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Louise-Bournemouth says...

Headlines! Girls 'steal' daffodils...

Headlines! Councillors and top council workers are overpaid by thousands of pounds.

Hmmmm, which one is more accurate and more important?

I think things are being all blown out of proportion.

For one I highly doubt they collected that many daffodils. Although if they did, I agree it is wrong to take so many, they should be enjoyed by all and yes, maybe the parents should have been watching more closely, though I'm sure at one time or another, most children have done something equally as naughty, or are your children perfect?

Secondly, if the police have time to investigate the 'theft' of daffodils, could they advise me if they have yet found my friends bicycle that was stolen? Or find the person who deliberatly smashed the window of a local community centre? Or my personal favourate, maybe the arrest the woman who drove onto the pavement going the wrong way up a street and nearly ran someone over - there were photos of the incident, a number plate, 5 witnesses who gave their details....but alas, the police didn't do a thing.

But phew, I know I can now sleep better at night knowing that the local daffodils, which usually bloom up to 8-10 days, are under watch by our thorough councillors and police force. Good job!
Headlines! Girls 'steal' daffodils... Headlines! Councillors and top council workers are overpaid by thousands of pounds. Hmmmm, which one is more accurate and more important? I think things are being all blown out of proportion. For one I highly doubt they collected that many daffodils. Although if they did, I agree it is wrong to take so many, they should be enjoyed by all and yes, maybe the parents should have been watching more closely, though I'm sure at one time or another, most children have done something equally as naughty, or are your children perfect? Secondly, if the police have time to investigate the 'theft' of daffodils, could they advise me if they have yet found my friends bicycle that was stolen? Or find the person who deliberatly smashed the window of a local community centre? Or my personal favourate, maybe the arrest the woman who drove onto the pavement going the wrong way up a street and nearly ran someone over - there were photos of the incident, a number plate, 5 witnesses who gave their details....but alas, the police didn't do a thing. But phew, I know I can now sleep better at night knowing that the local daffodils, which usually bloom up to 8-10 days, are under watch by our thorough councillors and police force. Good job! Louise-Bournemouth
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12:53pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Syd Poumen says...

Wally Bazoom wrote:
Syd Poumen wrote:
Whilst I certainly do not condone the attitude of these parents to their childrens' behaviour, it is ironic that Cllr Adams should create such a stir about 'people ripping up public property', when he has just sanctioned the destruction of the 'iconic' flower beds at the entrance to Poole Park!
…maybe he should have told the mum to take her daughters there to take flowers - two birds one stone, everyone’s a winner (well, apart from the flowers)!
Yes, these children could have been pioneers for the Big Society, if only they had been ripping up the flowerbeds in Poole Park!
[quote][p][bold]Wally Bazoom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Syd Poumen[/bold] wrote: Whilst I certainly do not condone the attitude of these parents to their childrens' behaviour, it is ironic that Cllr Adams should create such a stir about 'people ripping up public property', when he has just sanctioned the destruction of the 'iconic' flower beds at the entrance to Poole Park![/p][/quote]…maybe he should have told the mum to take her daughters there to take flowers - two birds one stone, everyone’s a winner (well, apart from the flowers)![/p][/quote]Yes, these children could have been pioneers for the Big Society, if only they had been ripping up the flowerbeds in Poole Park! Syd Poumen
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12:56pm Tue 15 Mar 11

carrie54 says...

Jonkers you say you didn't know it was wrong? have you never been told that taking anything that don't belong personaly to you is wrong? I cannot believe you and your wife had parents that did not teach you this. I agree the police should have approached you and your wife not the children. I also think you and your wife got off very lightly here by haveing a warning and not a charge set against you. You are after all responcible for your children and what they do.Till that is they are of an age to stand in thier own right. Ignorance is not innocence in this case. You have chosen to highlight your childrens mis-demeaners in the press. So proving that you are not taking responcability what kind of parent are YOU.
Jonkers you say you didn't know it was wrong? have you never been told that taking anything that don't belong personaly to you is wrong? I cannot believe you and your wife had parents that did not teach you this. I agree the police should have approached you and your wife not the children. I also think you and your wife got off very lightly here by haveing a warning and not a charge set against you. You are after all responcible for your children and what they do.Till that is they are of an age to stand in thier own right. Ignorance is not innocence in this case. You have chosen to highlight your childrens mis-demeaners in the press. So proving that you are not taking responcability what kind of parent are YOU. carrie54
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12:57pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Syd Poumen says...

Upkeep wrote:
The family are from Lilliput. What do you expect , they are a rough lot up there.
Don't you remember that the little people of Lilliput took on the big man and tied him in knots!
Take heed, Cllr Adams.
[quote][p][bold]Upkeep[/bold] wrote: The family are from Lilliput. What do you expect , they are a rough lot up there.[/p][/quote]Don't you remember that the little people of Lilliput took on the big man and tied him in knots! Take heed, Cllr Adams. Syd Poumen
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12:59pm Tue 15 Mar 11

janeypogle says...

when i was a child we used to go to woods in Cranborne to pick bluebells, this was a public area and still is but now if you pick the bluebells you can be fined up to £1000. The world is a very different place now, people are a lot more 'material' than they used to be. I do feel that calling the police was ridiculous and am fascinated that they attended when they dont put much effort into other areas of crime for fear of paperwork. However, the parents should have been able to see what their children were doing if for no other reason then for the children's safety. if you can't see your children how do you know they are safe? If they could see the children then they knew they were picking the flowers and should've stopped them after they had picked 1 or 2 out of courtesy to others enjoyment of the park. As far as the cllr is concerned he was obviously too chicken to say anything to the parents and decided to hide behind the police who would probably have been better placed elsewhere preventing some real crime. Personally if I were to see children picking flowers in the park I would probably just smile and keep walking for 1 life's to short to worry about such things and for 2 I have more important things to think about in life.
when i was a child we used to go to woods in Cranborne to pick bluebells, this was a public area and still is but now if you pick the bluebells you can be fined up to £1000. The world is a very different place now, people are a lot more 'material' than they used to be. I do feel that calling the police was ridiculous and am fascinated that they attended when they dont put much effort into other areas of crime for fear of paperwork. However, the parents should have been able to see what their children were doing if for no other reason then for the children's safety. if you can't see your children how do you know they are safe? If they could see the children then they knew they were picking the flowers and should've stopped them after they had picked 1 or 2 out of courtesy to others enjoyment of the park. As far as the cllr is concerned he was obviously too chicken to say anything to the parents and decided to hide behind the police who would probably have been better placed elsewhere preventing some real crime. Personally if I were to see children picking flowers in the park I would probably just smile and keep walking for 1 life's to short to worry about such things and for 2 I have more important things to think about in life. janeypogle
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12:59pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Louise-Bournemouth says...

Oh dear lord, I just remembered!

The other day, myself and a few friends did our own community litter pick removing litter that did not belong to us from a council park! We certainly picked up over 80 items, we actually picked up 10 bags of litter.

When shall I expect the police or council to have a word with me for taking something that was not mine!?

I wait with baited breath...


'ding dong'!
Oh dear lord, I just remembered! The other day, myself and a few friends did our own community litter pick removing litter that did not belong to us from a council park! We certainly picked up over 80 items, we actually picked up 10 bags of litter. When shall I expect the police or council to have a word with me for taking something that was not mine!? I wait with baited breath... 'ding dong'! Louise-Bournemouth
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1:01pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Jonkers says...

carrie54 wrote:
Jonkers you say you didn't know it was wrong? have you never been told that taking anything that don't belong personaly to you is wrong? I cannot believe you and your wife had parents that did not teach you this. I agree the police should have approached you and your wife not the children. I also think you and your wife got off very lightly here by haveing a warning and not a charge set against you. You are after all responcible for your children and what they do.Till that is they are of an age to stand in thier own right. Ignorance is not innocence in this case. You have chosen to highlight your childrens mis-demeaners in the press. So proving that you are not taking responcability what kind of parent are YOU.
Do me a favour love!
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Think you need to have a closer look.
[quote][p][bold]carrie54[/bold] wrote: Jonkers you say you didn't know it was wrong? have you never been told that taking anything that don't belong personaly to you is wrong? I cannot believe you and your wife had parents that did not teach you this. I agree the police should have approached you and your wife not the children. I also think you and your wife got off very lightly here by haveing a warning and not a charge set against you. You are after all responcible for your children and what they do.Till that is they are of an age to stand in thier own right. Ignorance is not innocence in this case. You have chosen to highlight your childrens mis-demeaners in the press. So proving that you are not taking responcability what kind of parent are YOU.[/p][/quote]Do me a favour love! . Think you need to have a closer look. Jonkers
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1:01pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Tripod says...

I get the impression a lot of local counsilors will be clutching at straws (or daffodils) to get their name in the paper in the run-up to the local elections!
I get the impression a lot of local counsilors will be clutching at straws (or daffodils) to get their name in the paper in the run-up to the local elections! Tripod
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1:06pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

How some some people can write some of the drivel here - tangenting off about councillors' pay, finding stolen bikes, reducing expenditure on flowers is curious. The comments are off subject.

That we now have a police force that is para-military in appearance and behaviour is true and is frightening even for adults - soon such incidents will be attended by the armed support units. It is regrettable that the police were disturbed on a Sunday-double time- they may not have finished polished their boots or sleeping - do you think they care about anything in the community? Of course not - they are in it just for the money thinking how stupid we all are while they ponce around everywhere.
They are fast loosing the trust of everyone.
They wear more body armour here than anywhere in the world?
How some some people can write some of the drivel here - tangenting off about councillors' pay, finding stolen bikes, reducing expenditure on flowers is curious. The comments are off subject. That we now have a police force that is para-military in appearance and behaviour is true and is frightening even for adults - soon such incidents will be attended by the armed support units. It is regrettable that the police were disturbed on a Sunday-double time- they may not have finished polished their boots or sleeping - do you think they care about anything in the community? Of course not - they are in it just for the money thinking how stupid we all are while they ponce around everywhere. They are fast loosing the trust of everyone. They wear more body armour here than anywhere in the world? rodoftruth
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1:11pm Tue 15 Mar 11

ltm says...

What is the world coming to when criminals are just let off with a warning?
The police should have called for backup, the perpetrators should have been tasered and restrained, taken to the police station, brought before a judge and sentenced to at least 6 years.
What is the world coming to when criminals are just let off with a warning? The police should have called for backup, the perpetrators should have been tasered and restrained, taken to the police station, brought before a judge and sentenced to at least 6 years. ltm
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1:11pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Louise-Bournemouth says...

rodoftruth wrote:
How some some people can write some of the drivel here - tangenting off about councillors' pay, finding stolen bikes, reducing expenditure on flowers is curious. The comments are off subject.

That we now have a police force that is para-military in appearance and behaviour is true and is frightening even for adults - soon such incidents will be attended by the armed support units. It is regrettable that the police were disturbed on a Sunday-double time- they may not have finished polished their boots or sleeping - do you think they care about anything in the community? Of course not - they are in it just for the money thinking how stupid we all are while they ponce around everywhere.
They are fast loosing the trust of everyone.
They wear more body armour here than anywhere in the world?
Apologies for the tangent. Just pointing out there are more important things to chase up and worry about than daffodil picking.
[quote][p][bold]rodoftruth[/bold] wrote: How some some people can write some of the drivel here - tangenting off about councillors' pay, finding stolen bikes, reducing expenditure on flowers is curious. The comments are off subject. That we now have a police force that is para-military in appearance and behaviour is true and is frightening even for adults - soon such incidents will be attended by the armed support units. It is regrettable that the police were disturbed on a Sunday-double time- they may not have finished polished their boots or sleeping - do you think they care about anything in the community? Of course not - they are in it just for the money thinking how stupid we all are while they ponce around everywhere. They are fast loosing the trust of everyone. They wear more body armour here than anywhere in the world?[/p][/quote]Apologies for the tangent. Just pointing out there are more important things to chase up and worry about than daffodil picking. Louise-Bournemouth
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1:23pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Pippins says...

"They say they don't want to go back to the park now because they are scared of the police."


Good! Kids should grow up being scared of the police ..... and their teachers and their parents.

I'm 33 and still scared of my mum!
"They say they don't want to go back to the park now because they are scared of the police." Good! Kids should grow up being scared of the police ..... and their teachers and their parents. I'm 33 and still scared of my mum! Pippins
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1:28pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

Of course you are right - but this article is about the vandalism of a public park and what appears to be a retarded view of what is obvious. The other issues I agree are more important. My view about the police has also been pointed out by some senior officers in articles in the national press.
I can only think that this is what the mother was trying to say - the way in which para-military body-armoured, flashing lights, rude and aggressive ferral officers dealt with it would have frightened anyone. Nowhere in Europe do the police act like they do here - I was abroad for 20 years and when you come back to live here it is so in your face, after a while you get more and more used to it, like the litter, like the signs everywhere warning that aggressive behaviour will not be tolerated ie above receptions in hospitals, security guards in Jobcentres etc

Maybe that is what the mother is trying to say - that the response was over the top - I am surprised that the police did not beat her and arrest her, bring her to the cells and remand her in custody after raping her, leaving the children on their own in the park - this for me is their level today....
Of course you are right - but this article is about the vandalism of a public park and what appears to be a retarded view of what is obvious. The other issues I agree are more important. My view about the police has also been pointed out by some senior officers in articles in the national press. I can only think that this is what the mother was trying to say - the way in which para-military body-armoured, flashing lights, rude and aggressive ferral officers dealt with it would have frightened anyone. Nowhere in Europe do the police act like they do here - I was abroad for 20 years and when you come back to live here it is so in your face, after a while you get more and more used to it, like the litter, like the signs everywhere warning that aggressive behaviour will not be tolerated ie above receptions in hospitals, security guards in Jobcentres etc Maybe that is what the mother is trying to say - that the response was over the top - I am surprised that the police did not beat her and arrest her, bring her to the cells and remand her in custody after raping her, leaving the children on their own in the park - this for me is their level today.... rodoftruth
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1:34pm Tue 15 Mar 11

eyesropen says...

This is what happens when councils sack all their park wardens. A quiet word from a 'parkie' could have nipped this in the bud (pun not intended!), allowed the police to spend their time looking for real criminals & saved us from a completely un-newsworthy article. Bournemouth council are apparently about to sack their last few remaining frontline parks officers, leaving petty byelaw infringements to our rapidly depleting police force there too.
This is what happens when councils sack all their park wardens. A quiet word from a 'parkie' could have nipped this in the bud (pun not intended!), allowed the police to spend their time looking for real criminals & saved us from a completely un-newsworthy article. Bournemouth council are apparently about to sack their last few remaining frontline parks officers, leaving petty byelaw infringements to our rapidly depleting police force there too. eyesropen
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1:36pm Tue 15 Mar 11

janeypogle says...

the police do take an 'over the top' approach to minor things unfortunately they are not so aggressive when it is necessary. When my son was attacked they came across to me as almost being scared of the scum responsible and despite knowing who they were they were amazingly unable to press charges due to lack of evidence. Thats part of the problem in this country the police force is all mouth and no trousers its easy for them to scare little children not so easy to stand up to real thugs.
the police do take an 'over the top' approach to minor things unfortunately they are not so aggressive when it is necessary. When my son was attacked they came across to me as almost being scared of the scum responsible and despite knowing who they were they were amazingly unable to press charges due to lack of evidence. Thats part of the problem in this country the police force is all mouth and no trousers its easy for them to scare little children not so easy to stand up to real thugs. janeypogle
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1:38pm Tue 15 Mar 11

LoulouBlue says...

I took my children to Kingston Lacey, last month to enjoy the snowdrops, my children were skipping through the rock garden ahead of me , then as I rounded a corner, to my horror my son had picked 5 snowdrops and presented them to me as proud as could be- I explained to him that we cannot pick the snowdrops as they are there for everyone to enjoy, he looked totally crestfallen, but excepted what he had done was wrong, even though it was with good intent to cheer me up –
So, I know how this happens.

As for you Cllr ‘Sanctimonious’ Adams – surely just pointing it out to the parent’s that what their children were doing was wrong, would have been suffice.
I will remember this come May,
you have just lost my vote.
I took my children to Kingston Lacey, last month to enjoy the snowdrops, my children were skipping through the rock garden ahead of me , then as I rounded a corner, to my horror my son had picked 5 snowdrops and presented them to me as proud as could be- I explained to him that we cannot pick the snowdrops as they are there for everyone to enjoy, he looked totally crestfallen, but excepted what he had done was wrong, even though it was with good intent to cheer me up – So, I know how this happens. As for you Cllr ‘Sanctimonious’ Adams – surely just pointing it out to the parent’s that what their children were doing was wrong, would have been suffice. I will remember this come May, you have just lost my vote. LoulouBlue
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1:58pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

Just had a great idea - any ladies tired of patient and nurse? We could try Policeman and Daffodil-picker?
Email please.
Just had a great idea - any ladies tired of patient and nurse? We could try Policeman and Daffodil-picker? Email please. rodoftruth
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2:00pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Icefyre says...

Obviously MRS ERRINGTON says "They say they don't want to go back to the park now because they are scared of the police" HER QUOTE.

So why did she take her daughter back to the exact spot within one day with an ECHO photographer to take the photo in the article.

MMMM great parenting MRS ERRINGTON. Obviously your daughter doesn't look scared in the photo. Or are you just putting your fight above the care of your daughter.
Obviously MRS ERRINGTON says "They say they don't want to go back to the park now because they are scared of the police" HER QUOTE. So why did she take her daughter back to the exact spot within one day with an ECHO photographer to take the photo in the article. MMMM great parenting MRS ERRINGTON. Obviously your daughter doesn't look scared in the photo. Or are you just putting your fight above the care of your daughter. Icefyre
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2:17pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Icefyre says...

I am a member of the D.D.L which is the Daffodil Defence League. I am truly outraged by MRS Errington's childrens actions. Scores of our members have been brutally murdered by her children. I hope she can live with herself.

Just watch out Mrs Errington the DDL are out there. And we're watching.


Is this truely news. With Japan and the Middle East and all.

The ECHO are just putting their friends in the paper to fill it out. What's wrong with adverts like we always get.
I am a member of the D.D.L which is the Daffodil Defence League. I am truly outraged by MRS Errington's childrens actions. Scores of our members have been brutally murdered by her children. I hope she can live with herself. Just watch out Mrs Errington the DDL are out there. And we're watching. Is this truely news. With Japan and the Middle East and all. The ECHO are just putting their friends in the paper to fill it out. What's wrong with adverts like we always get. Icefyre
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2:27pm Tue 15 Mar 11

BournemouthMum says...

Jonkers wrote:
the girls had taken "large bunches of 70-80 flowers"
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Of course this should not have been ignored. To allow it is the real crime. They're effectivley bringing up their children to be thoughtless, greedy, inconsiderate thieves with no respect for public property. Over the top? Maybe, but things learnt as a child tend to stick.
I agree.
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At first glance, I thought that the police reaction had been a little over-the-top, however, having read a more comprehensive report about this elswhere which states that the parents positively encouraged their daughters to pick the flowers, I cannot believe their audacity in contacting the papers over this! Personally I would feel ashamed and want to keep a low profile!
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The 'parents' should teach their children right from wrong, and that's it's actually wrong to take something - i.e. flowers that are there for us all to enjoy.
[quote][p][bold]Jonkers[/bold] wrote: the girls had taken "large bunches of 70-80 flowers" - Of course this should not have been ignored. To allow it is the real crime. They're effectivley bringing up their children to be thoughtless, greedy, inconsiderate thieves with no respect for public property. Over the top? Maybe, but things learnt as a child tend to stick.[/p][/quote]I agree. . At first glance, I thought that the police reaction had been a little over-the-top, however, having read a more comprehensive report about this elswhere which states that the parents positively encouraged their daughters to pick the flowers, I cannot believe their audacity in contacting the papers over this! Personally I would feel ashamed and want to keep a low profile! . The 'parents' should teach their children right from wrong, and that's it's actually wrong to take something - i.e. flowers that are there for us all to enjoy. BournemouthMum
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2:34pm Tue 15 Mar 11

mungobean says...

I'd be mortified if my children picked the flowers, they knew they arent theirs so arent allowed to take them, simple as. What the heck were the parents doing to not notice that 3 children were picking such vast quantities of daffs, it would have taken a considerable amount of time for them to pick that many !! Such bad parenting !!
I'd be mortified if my children picked the flowers, they knew they arent theirs so arent allowed to take them, simple as. What the heck were the parents doing to not notice that 3 children were picking such vast quantities of daffs, it would have taken a considerable amount of time for them to pick that many !! Such bad parenting !! mungobean
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2:39pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.
after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them. MrsDJD
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2:40pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.
after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them. MrsDJD
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3:12pm Tue 15 Mar 11

carrie54 says...

Sorry jonkers didn't read your foot note. But there is something odd here 60 to 80 daffs would be too many for little'uns to pick in one go so they must have gone back and forward to mum/ dad with them.So why didn't they stop them after say two or three flowers. Unless the parents had anouther reason for the daffs.Wouldn't be the first lot who use the kids to pick for parents to sell on.
Sorry jonkers didn't read your foot note. But there is something odd here 60 to 80 daffs would be too many for little'uns to pick in one go so they must have gone back and forward to mum/ dad with them.So why didn't they stop them after say two or three flowers. Unless the parents had anouther reason for the daffs.Wouldn't be the first lot who use the kids to pick for parents to sell on. carrie54
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3:13pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Brian Badonde says...

Have any of you actually read the article??:

To quote:

"Officers told the **parents** of the girls..."

and

"Councillor Peter Adams, who said **a family member of his** had reported the incident..."

In any case, I agree that it should be obvious that ripping up a large quantity of flowers you don't own is wrong. To suggest a sign is required is quite ridiculous.
Have any of you actually read the article??: To quote: "Officers told the **parents** of the girls..." and "Councillor Peter Adams, who said **a family member of his** had reported the incident..." In any case, I agree that it should be obvious that ripping up a large quantity of flowers you don't own is wrong. To suggest a sign is required is quite ridiculous. Brian Badonde
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3:14pm Tue 15 Mar 11

wintonwizard says...

The officers did their job. I don't know what all the fuss is about. It takes a village to raise a child (especially if the parents are turning a blind eye), but unfortunately these days the villagers are too scared to get involved, so we need the police to do it.
The officers did their job. I don't know what all the fuss is about. It takes a village to raise a child (especially if the parents are turning a blind eye), but unfortunately these days the villagers are too scared to get involved, so we need the police to do it. wintonwizard
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3:31pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Kareva says...

I have no sympathay for Ms Errington she should have been watching her children, I hope she regrets running to the newspapers with her silly story, most of us feel she's in the wrong
I have no sympathay for Ms Errington she should have been watching her children, I hope she regrets running to the newspapers with her silly story, most of us feel she's in the wrong Kareva
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3:36pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Azphreal says...

Why is it that in the national press (yep more great advertising for Poole after terror laws to spy on school catchment) have that the police sat in the car and watched them for 20 minutes but that is not in this story?
Why is it that in the national press (yep more great advertising for Poole after terror laws to spy on school catchment) have that the police sat in the car and watched them for 20 minutes but that is not in this story? Azphreal
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3:38pm Tue 15 Mar 11

speedy231278 says...

So, if someone took a load of daffodils from your garden, would you like it? I doubt it. Public parks are there for everyone to enjoy, not everyone to remove. Pick the odd flower maybe, but not dozens. Getting the Police involved is no doubt excessive, but anyone who thinks it is acceptable to effectively vandalise public property needs their head felt.

Or would it be OK to remove deckchairs from the beach just because there are lots of them?
So, if someone took a load of daffodils from your garden, would you like it? I doubt it. Public parks are there for everyone to enjoy, not everyone to remove. Pick the odd flower maybe, but not dozens. Getting the Police involved is no doubt excessive, but anyone who thinks it is acceptable to effectively vandalise public property needs their head felt. Or would it be OK to remove deckchairs from the beach just because there are lots of them? speedy231278
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3:45pm Tue 15 Mar 11

BournemouthMum says...

mungobean wrote:
I'd be mortified if my children picked the flowers, they knew they arent theirs so arent allowed to take them, simple as. What the heck were the parents doing to not notice that 3 children were picking such vast quantities of daffs, it would have taken a considerable amount of time for them to pick that many !! Such bad parenting !!
Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: I'd be mortified if my children picked the flowers, they knew they arent theirs so arent allowed to take them, simple as. What the heck were the parents doing to not notice that 3 children were picking such vast quantities of daffs, it would have taken a considerable amount of time for them to pick that many !! Such bad parenting !![/p][/quote]Totally agree. BournemouthMum
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3:45pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality.
That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells....
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LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes....
Security word: bird-wish
It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish Bournefre
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3:54pm Tue 15 Mar 11

WOC says...

Bournefre wrote:
It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes....

That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!!
The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL WOC
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3:56pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

Brian Badonde wrote:
Have any of you actually read the article??: To quote: "Officers told the **parents** of the girls..." and "Councillor Peter Adams, who said **a family member of his** had reported the incident..." In any case, I agree that it should be obvious that ripping up a large quantity of flowers you don't own is wrong. To suggest a sign is required is quite ridiculous.
The article also says

"We are very proud of our parks and can't have people ripping up public property," said Cllr Adams.

"The parents were encouraging them to do it and it is unacceptable.

"I am a reasonable person and would not have called the police if they were just picking two or three flowers, but this was totally disgraceful."

I am a bit confused here! Who is being quoted as saying "I am a reasonable person and would not have called the police if...." The family member or Cllr Adams, or did Cllr Adams actually call the police and then slope it on to a family member or is the Echo misquoting?

As for the parents, what planet are they from to assume it was ok to destroy a planted bed in a public area! No respect for other people or for property it seems!
[quote][p][bold]Brian Badonde[/bold] wrote: Have any of you actually read the article??: To quote: "Officers told the **parents** of the girls..." and "Councillor Peter Adams, who said **a family member of his** had reported the incident..." In any case, I agree that it should be obvious that ripping up a large quantity of flowers you don't own is wrong. To suggest a sign is required is quite ridiculous.[/p][/quote]The article also says "We are very proud of our parks and can't have people ripping up public property," said Cllr Adams. "The parents were encouraging them to do it and it is unacceptable. "I am a reasonable person and would not have called the police if they were just picking two or three flowers, but this was totally disgraceful." I am a bit confused here! Who is being quoted as saying "I am a reasonable person and would not have called the police if...." The family member or Cllr Adams, or did Cllr Adams actually call the police and then slope it on to a family member or is the Echo misquoting? As for the parents, what planet are they from to assume it was ok to destroy a planted bed in a public area! No respect for other people or for property it seems! honest_paul
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3:57pm Tue 15 Mar 11

contric says...

i think the councillor and the police have gone a bit over the top like some of the comments on here little girls running around in a park pick a few dafs and give them to mum i bet some of the flog them posters on here have done a lot worse i know i have
i think the councillor and the police have gone a bit over the top like some of the comments on here little girls running around in a park pick a few dafs and give them to mum i bet some of the flog them posters on here have done a lot worse i know i have contric
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4:06pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

I blame the bankers.

If they hadn't been so irresponsible and caused the credit crunch then Mummy and Daddy would have had more money to give to the kids as pocket money and they could then have bought some daffs and not blatantly steal them.

Perhaps they were stealing them for food and instead of chastising them we should be pointing them in the direction the the local food bank.

It's about time the bankers were charged a bankers daff levy on all flowers stolen by children as a result of causing the credit crunch.
I blame the bankers. If they hadn't been so irresponsible and caused the credit crunch then Mummy and Daddy would have had more money to give to the kids as pocket money and they could then have bought some daffs and not blatantly steal them. Perhaps they were stealing them for food and instead of chastising them we should be pointing them in the direction the the local food bank. It's about time the bankers were charged a bankers daff levy on all flowers stolen by children as a result of causing the credit crunch. honest_paul
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4:17pm Tue 15 Mar 11

taramylove says...

I am glad the Councillor and the police took action. The 'poor me' attitude of the parents stinks. These flowers are for everybody to enjoy and are not there to be picked by all and sundry. I don't blame the children, they are too young, but they should be taught right from wrong and it was wrong to pick the daffs. The parents should admit they were in the wrong instead of moaning to the press. GO AND BUY SOME DAFFS, THEY'RE NOT DEAR!!!!
I am glad the Councillor and the police took action. The 'poor me' attitude of the parents stinks. These flowers are for everybody to enjoy and are not there to be picked by all and sundry. I don't blame the children, they are too young, but they should be taught right from wrong and it was wrong to pick the daffs. The parents should admit they were in the wrong instead of moaning to the press. GO AND BUY SOME DAFFS, THEY'RE NOT DEAR!!!! taramylove
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4:22pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes....

That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!!
The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen.
security word: boat-dark
[quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark Bournefre
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4:32pm Tue 15 Mar 11

taramylove says...

TinyLegacy wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote: Its the parents who are at fault in allowing their children to pick the flowers and its right that they were told to move on. . Last year whilst walking my dogs in Coy Pond Gardens I noticed a parent watching their child as they picked a bunch of daffodils. When I politely told the parent that they shouldn't be picking the flowers they looked very guilty bundled the child (and daffodils) into the back of the car and drove off. The look of shame on the parents face clearly knew what their child was doing was wrong. . It would be interesting to see how different the response to this story would have been if the parents had been allowing their children to steal sweets from the supermarket rather than flowers from a park.
Good on you, now I can sleep safe at night.
Your sarcasm stinks TinyLegacy. It was a good point and children should be taught right from wrong, sadly not enough are today and parents get on their high horses about the slightest thing.
[quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Its the parents who are at fault in allowing their children to pick the flowers and its right that they were told to move on. . Last year whilst walking my dogs in Coy Pond Gardens I noticed a parent watching their child as they picked a bunch of daffodils. When I politely told the parent that they shouldn't be picking the flowers they looked very guilty bundled the child (and daffodils) into the back of the car and drove off. The look of shame on the parents face clearly knew what their child was doing was wrong. . It would be interesting to see how different the response to this story would have been if the parents had been allowing their children to steal sweets from the supermarket rather than flowers from a park.[/p][/quote]Good on you, now I can sleep safe at night.[/p][/quote]Your sarcasm stinks TinyLegacy. It was a good point and children should be taught right from wrong, sadly not enough are today and parents get on their high horses about the slightest thing. taramylove
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4:33pm Tue 15 Mar 11

TheDistrict says...

The cost of these flowers. If as the Police and Cllr states, approx, £10. If has the Mums say, approx, £2. The amount of money councils are wasting these days on stupid projects, and much more. Does this really warrant the action taken.
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What was the cost of telephone calls, the rate of pay for the attending Police Officers, the fuel used for the patrol car.
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Regardless of any act of desicration of flower beds, does it warrant such costs for a trivial matter.
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Many things get damaged, and or stolen from council run cemetaries, (many stories of such crime over the past year), is anything done, no, of course not, it would cost too much to replace.
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Cllr Adams, May 7th, No Votes.
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The cost of these flowers. If as the Police and Cllr states, approx, £10. If has the Mums say, approx, £2. The amount of money councils are wasting these days on stupid projects, and much more. Does this really warrant the action taken. . What was the cost of telephone calls, the rate of pay for the attending Police Officers, the fuel used for the patrol car. . Regardless of any act of desicration of flower beds, does it warrant such costs for a trivial matter. . Many things get damaged, and or stolen from council run cemetaries, (many stories of such crime over the past year), is anything done, no, of course not, it would cost too much to replace. . Cllr Adams, May 7th, No Votes. . TheDistrict
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4:35pm Tue 15 Mar 11

CoogarUK.com says...

I've not read many of the comments as there are far too many. However, in my view this is vandalism if not theft. After all, the bulbs are planted for everyone's enjoyment.
I've not read many of the comments as there are far too many. However, in my view this is vandalism if not theft. After all, the bulbs are planted for everyone's enjoyment. CoogarUK.com
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4:42pm Tue 15 Mar 11

WOC says...

Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary. WOC
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4:50pm Tue 15 Mar 11

awishes says...

For goodness sake - the children should have been taught by 4 years old that you DO NOT TAKE WHAT IS NOT YOURS.
These are the type of parents that think their children can do whatever they like. There are rules in life that we all need to abide by to have a civilised society and it starts by teaching children when they are very young what is right and what is wrong.
The mum makes me sick that she would go to the paper with such a story - she is teaching her children to have no respect for others or for authority.
(Love the Uggs comment!!!)
For goodness sake - the children should have been taught by 4 years old that you DO NOT TAKE WHAT IS NOT YOURS. These are the type of parents that think their children can do whatever they like. There are rules in life that we all need to abide by to have a civilised society and it starts by teaching children when they are very young what is right and what is wrong. The mum makes me sick that she would go to the paper with such a story - she is teaching her children to have no respect for others or for authority. (Love the Uggs comment!!!) awishes
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5:09pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police".
I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?"
Security word: line-warn
[quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn Bournefre
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5:12pm Tue 15 Mar 11

mike97 says...

I totally agree with Cllr. Adams response. The daffodils at Whitecliff and at other parks in Poole and beyond were planted at some stage and money spent on the bulbs and labour to plant them. If daffodils are picked when in flower, this prevents the nutrients returning to the bulb and they are unlikely to flower ever again.
1. The parents should not allow their children to pick so many, this teaches them bad habits that may be carried forward to later life.
2. The flowers are for all to enjoy, if just 10 people picked 70 - 80, there would be none left for the thousands who visit the park to enjoy.
3. Yes, the park is 'public open space' but that does not give anyone the right to steal it's contents. The Council has the responsibility to maintain the park within a tight budget and picking the flowers detracts from the beauty of Whitecliff Park.

In a nutshell, the parents should have known better, I cannot believe they are now complaining to the press.
Well done Peter Adams, I applaud you!
I totally agree with Cllr. Adams response. The daffodils at Whitecliff and at other parks in Poole and beyond were planted at some stage and money spent on the bulbs and labour to plant them. If daffodils are picked when in flower, this prevents the nutrients returning to the bulb and they are unlikely to flower ever again. 1. The parents should not allow their children to pick so many, this teaches them bad habits that may be carried forward to later life. 2. The flowers are for all to enjoy, if just 10 people picked 70 - 80, there would be none left for the thousands who visit the park to enjoy. 3. Yes, the park is 'public open space' but that does not give anyone the right to steal it's contents. The Council has the responsibility to maintain the park within a tight budget and picking the flowers detracts from the beauty of Whitecliff Park. In a nutshell, the parents should have known better, I cannot believe they are now complaining to the press. Well done Peter Adams, I applaud you! mike97
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5:16pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

LilliputMum1 wrote:
As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so.

We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning.

When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known.

Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
Lilliputmum,
There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch.
The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child.
I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child.

Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame.

As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.
[quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies. Gooby
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5:19pm Tue 15 Mar 11

mike97 says...

Gooby wrote:
LilliputMum1 wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.
You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.[/p][/quote]You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore. mike97
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5:27pm Tue 15 Mar 11

LionelC says...

Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention.
So they don't think keeping an eye open on children of 4,6 and 10 is that important!!
Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention. So they don't think keeping an eye open on children of 4,6 and 10 is that important!! LionelC
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5:28pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
LilliputMum1 wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.
You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.
I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested?

I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.
[quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.[/p][/quote]You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.[/p][/quote]I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent. Gooby
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5:37pm Tue 15 Mar 11

mike97 says...

Gooby wrote:
mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
LilliputMum1 wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.
You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.
I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.
Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College
[quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.[/p][/quote]You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.[/p][/quote]I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.[/p][/quote]Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College mike97
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5:46pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police".
I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?"
Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple,
"Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce.

Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough.

Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details. Gooby
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5:46pm Tue 15 Mar 11

SARAH6816 says...

So during the 20-minutes that the family was being observed, had it not occurred to the parents what was going on? It's obvious the flowers are there for everyone to enjoy - not for an ill-mannered family to destroy. And now they've run crying to the press, so we all know how appalling their parenting skills are. Unbelievable.
So during the 20-minutes that the family was being observed, had it not occurred to the parents what was going on? It's obvious the flowers are there for everyone to enjoy - not for an ill-mannered family to destroy. And now they've run crying to the press, so we all know how appalling their parenting skills are. Unbelievable. SARAH6816
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5:57pm Tue 15 Mar 11

mike97 says...

SARAH6816 wrote:
So during the 20-minutes that the family was being observed, had it not occurred to the parents what was going on? It's obvious the flowers are there for everyone to enjoy - not for an ill-mannered family to destroy. And now they've run crying to the press, so we all know how appalling their parenting skills are. Unbelievable.
Sarah6816, I couldn't agree with you more. I am sure the majority of people would also agree. Also, If someone feels it is necessary to call the police, no matter how trivial others may see the alleged crime, the police have a duty to respond if they are able to, whether the report comes from a Councillor or a member of the public.

I too cannot believe the mum has had the ordascity to go to the press. I am sure the other mums will be laughing at her in the school playground tomorrow as she drops of her darlings in her 4 X 4!
[quote][p][bold]SARAH6816[/bold] wrote: So during the 20-minutes that the family was being observed, had it not occurred to the parents what was going on? It's obvious the flowers are there for everyone to enjoy - not for an ill-mannered family to destroy. And now they've run crying to the press, so we all know how appalling their parenting skills are. Unbelievable.[/p][/quote]Sarah6816, I couldn't agree with you more. I am sure the majority of people would also agree. Also, If someone feels it is necessary to call the police, no matter how trivial others may see the alleged crime, the police have a duty to respond if they are able to, whether the report comes from a Councillor or a member of the public. I too cannot believe the mum has had the ordascity to go to the press. I am sure the other mums will be laughing at her in the school playground tomorrow as she drops of her darlings in her 4 X 4! mike97
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6:03pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MunchOne says...

Maybe the reporter should have bothered to check the law before making himself look as stupid as this women as it is against the law to pick wild flowers simply to protect thieves from stealing rare species and all wild flowers are included so as not to leave any loopholes. Also why she she and her family destroy the enjoyment of others by decimating the floral display especially as many would have paid for the plants out of their council tax.
Maybe the reporter should have bothered to check the law before making himself look as stupid as this women as it is against the law to pick wild flowers simply to protect thieves from stealing rare species and all wild flowers are included so as not to leave any loopholes. Also why she she and her family destroy the enjoyment of others by decimating the floral display especially as many would have paid for the plants out of their council tax. MunchOne
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6:03pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
LilliputMum1 wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.
You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.
I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.
Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT!

I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College
Now that is interesting because the mother of the children has said "no more than 20 flowers"

Let me get this right - your deep love for flowers means that you are willing to stand behind the behaviour of a man who thinks the best use of police time is to threaten toddlers / children with arrest.

Right or wrong -they are flowers and Mr Addams reaction is excessive and directed at frightened children.

If thinking that this kind of action is disgraceful then I will head off to parenting class.

Please respond to my previous point, please tell me how we should further enforce "discipline" on 3 little girls aged 4,6 and 10? Would you prefer they were arrested? Perhaps some time in the cells? We could involve a social worker?

What kind of dredful society do we live in where we are willing to criminalise the picking of flowers by a girl and you are ready to stand up and say that this is right.

I am willing to be a terrible parent for my point of view but I am absolutely sure beyond any doubt in my mind that you are the most pointless man ever to waste oxygen.
[quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.[/p][/quote]You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.[/p][/quote]I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.[/p][/quote]Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College[/p][/quote]Now that is interesting because the mother of the children has said "no more than 20 flowers" Let me get this right - your deep love for flowers means that you are willing to stand behind the behaviour of a man who thinks the best use of police time is to threaten toddlers / children with arrest. Right or wrong -they are flowers and Mr Addams reaction is excessive and directed at frightened children. If thinking that this kind of action is disgraceful then I will head off to parenting class. Please respond to my previous point, please tell me how we should further enforce "discipline" on 3 little girls aged 4,6 and 10? Would you prefer they were arrested? Perhaps some time in the cells? We could involve a social worker? What kind of dredful society do we live in where we are willing to criminalise the picking of flowers by a girl and you are ready to stand up and say that this is right. I am willing to be a terrible parent for my point of view but I am absolutely sure beyond any doubt in my mind that you are the most pointless man ever to waste oxygen. Gooby
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6:12pm Tue 15 Mar 11

mike97 says...

Gooby wrote:
mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
LilliputMum1 wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.
You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.
I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.
Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College
Now that is interesting because the mother of the children has said "no more than 20 flowers" Let me get this right - your deep love for flowers means that you are willing to stand behind the behaviour of a man who thinks the best use of police time is to threaten toddlers / children with arrest. Right or wrong -they are flowers and Mr Addams reaction is excessive and directed at frightened children. If thinking that this kind of action is disgraceful then I will head off to parenting class. Please respond to my previous point, please tell me how we should further enforce "discipline" on 3 little girls aged 4,6 and 10? Would you prefer they were arrested? Perhaps some time in the cells? We could involve a social worker? What kind of dredful society do we live in where we are willing to criminalise the picking of flowers by a girl and you are ready to stand up and say that this is right. I am willing to be a terrible parent for my point of view but I am absolutely sure beyond any doubt in my mind that you are the most pointless man ever to waste oxygen.
Although I would love to respond to your many pointless comments above, it is obvious that you are just getting a kick out of having an outburst on this forum, so I will only respond to the point you requested out of courtesy.

The parents should have been watching their children and as soon as they saw them even "playing in the daffodils" (as stated in the Daily Mail report), they should have explained that the flowers should not be trampled or picked. I do not expect children of this age to be arrested, but the parents should be sternly spoken to. END OF!
[quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.[/p][/quote]You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.[/p][/quote]I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.[/p][/quote]Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College[/p][/quote]Now that is interesting because the mother of the children has said "no more than 20 flowers" Let me get this right - your deep love for flowers means that you are willing to stand behind the behaviour of a man who thinks the best use of police time is to threaten toddlers / children with arrest. Right or wrong -they are flowers and Mr Addams reaction is excessive and directed at frightened children. If thinking that this kind of action is disgraceful then I will head off to parenting class. Please respond to my previous point, please tell me how we should further enforce "discipline" on 3 little girls aged 4,6 and 10? Would you prefer they were arrested? Perhaps some time in the cells? We could involve a social worker? What kind of dredful society do we live in where we are willing to criminalise the picking of flowers by a girl and you are ready to stand up and say that this is right. I am willing to be a terrible parent for my point of view but I am absolutely sure beyond any doubt in my mind that you are the most pointless man ever to waste oxygen.[/p][/quote]Although I would love to respond to your many pointless comments above, it is obvious that you are just getting a kick out of having an outburst on this forum, so I will only respond to the point you requested out of courtesy. The parents should have been watching their children and as soon as they saw them even "playing in the daffodils" (as stated in the Daily Mail report), they should have explained that the flowers should not be trampled or picked. I do not expect children of this age to be arrested, but the parents should be sternly spoken to. END OF! mike97
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6:13pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police".
I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?"
Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple,
"Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce.

Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough.

Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well.
Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to.
Security word: date-step
[quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step Bournefre
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6:17pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Vikki27 says...

In do agree it was a heavy-handed response, but I think the parents are working rather too hard to avoid accepting blame for the fact they were in the wrong in the first place. Either they weren't watching their children in a wide public area, which is just poor parenting, or they knew **** well the kids were doing it and ignored it, in which case they're liars.

It's a very well known fact that you shouldn't pick wild flowers and both parties are responsible. For goodness sake, don't make such a drama out of it. I highly doubt those kids are genuinely too afraid of he big bad policeman that they'll never return to the park.
In do agree it was a heavy-handed response, but I think the parents are working rather too hard to avoid accepting blame for the fact they were in the wrong in the first place. Either they weren't watching their children in a wide public area, which is just poor parenting, or they knew **** well the kids were doing it and ignored it, in which case they're liars. It's a very well known fact that you shouldn't pick wild flowers and both parties are responsible. For goodness sake, don't make such a drama out of it. I highly doubt those kids are genuinely too afraid of he big bad policeman that they'll never return to the park. Vikki27
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6:29pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
mike97 wrote:
Gooby wrote:
LilliputMum1 wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.
You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.
I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.
Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College
Now that is interesting because the mother of the children has said "no more than 20 flowers" Let me get this right - your deep love for flowers means that you are willing to stand behind the behaviour of a man who thinks the best use of police time is to threaten toddlers / children with arrest. Right or wrong -they are flowers and Mr Addams reaction is excessive and directed at frightened children. If thinking that this kind of action is disgraceful then I will head off to parenting class. Please respond to my previous point, please tell me how we should further enforce "discipline" on 3 little girls aged 4,6 and 10? Would you prefer they were arrested? Perhaps some time in the cells? We could involve a social worker? What kind of dredful society do we live in where we are willing to criminalise the picking of flowers by a girl and you are ready to stand up and say that this is right. I am willing to be a terrible parent for my point of view but I am absolutely sure beyond any doubt in my mind that you are the most pointless man ever to waste oxygen.
Although I would love to respond to your many pointless comments above, it is obvious that you are just getting a kick out of having an outburst on this forum, so I will only respond to the point you requested out of courtesy.

The parents should have been watching their children and as soon as they saw them even "playing in the daffodils" (as stated in the Daily Mail report), they should have explained that the flowers should not be trampled or picked. I do not expect children of this age to be arrested, but the parents should be sternly spoken to. END OF!
Will you two STOP hitting the quote button! Neither of you have anything of interest to say and having to scroll down for an hour and a half in the hope that someone else has had a chance to say something of merit is getting extremely irritating!
[quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]Lilliputmum, There will be many selfish and spiteful idiots who will believe that the value of a flower is to die slowly in the ground while they watch. The true value is to bring a smile to the face of a child. I dont care if they end up in a vase in your house (I hope they did) and I hope your children enjoy the next flowers they pick for Mum. No amount of flowers in any park in all of dorset is worth this kind of upset to a child. Councillor Adams has shown himself to be a gutless arse willing to use the title of councilor to get a reaction from the police and upset children. Shame. As usual the modern police force has shown themself as pointless bullies.[/p][/quote]You have now shown your true colours, swearing and being ultra defensive. Always someone elses fault!No wonder the children did what they did, there is no discipline anymore.[/p][/quote]I hope I have shown my colours - Please tell me, what should we do to further enforce "discipline" upon a 6 year old girl. Perhaps you would prefer it if the girls were arrested? I would rather use the word "Arse" and offend you than upset a small girl for picking mummy a bunch of flowers. If Adams had any spine or honour he would had had a quiet word with a parent.[/p][/quote]Parents should not allow their children to pick 70 - 80 daffodils in a public park. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT! I am sure you could pick up some tips at parenting class. I beleive there are night classes at Poole College[/p][/quote]Now that is interesting because the mother of the children has said "no more than 20 flowers" Let me get this right - your deep love for flowers means that you are willing to stand behind the behaviour of a man who thinks the best use of police time is to threaten toddlers / children with arrest. Right or wrong -they are flowers and Mr Addams reaction is excessive and directed at frightened children. If thinking that this kind of action is disgraceful then I will head off to parenting class. Please respond to my previous point, please tell me how we should further enforce "discipline" on 3 little girls aged 4,6 and 10? Would you prefer they were arrested? Perhaps some time in the cells? We could involve a social worker? What kind of dredful society do we live in where we are willing to criminalise the picking of flowers by a girl and you are ready to stand up and say that this is right. I am willing to be a terrible parent for my point of view but I am absolutely sure beyond any doubt in my mind that you are the most pointless man ever to waste oxygen.[/p][/quote]Although I would love to respond to your many pointless comments above, it is obvious that you are just getting a kick out of having an outburst on this forum, so I will only respond to the point you requested out of courtesy. The parents should have been watching their children and as soon as they saw them even "playing in the daffodils" (as stated in the Daily Mail report), they should have explained that the flowers should not be trampled or picked. I do not expect children of this age to be arrested, but the parents should be sternly spoken to. END OF![/p][/quote]Will you two STOP hitting the quote button! Neither of you have anything of interest to say and having to scroll down for an hour and a half in the hope that someone else has had a chance to say something of merit is getting extremely irritating! honest_paul
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6:30pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police".
I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?"
Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple,
"Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce.

Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough.

Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well.
Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to.
Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link.

If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified.

I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions. Gooby
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6:31pm Tue 15 Mar 11

mike97 says...

I would also like to add that with everything that has happened in Japan over the last few days, the mother should not have gone to the Echo. She should have realised that her plight would seem insignificant compared to that of those living in Western Japan. She should thank her starts that she could enjoy the park and go home to a nice warm house! So her kids were upset by the policemen?? At least they have had an early lesson in abiding by the law.
I would also like to add that with everything that has happened in Japan over the last few days, the mother should not have gone to the Echo. She should have realised that her plight would seem insignificant compared to that of those living in Western Japan. She should thank her starts that she could enjoy the park and go home to a nice warm house! So her kids were upset by the policemen?? At least they have had an early lesson in abiding by the law. mike97
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6:32pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

Thank-you Mike. My eyes and scroll finger really appreciate it!
Thank-you Mike. My eyes and scroll finger really appreciate it! honest_paul
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6:34pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

After writing once already, i have to say how disappointed i am that we as people are so vengefull of little girls picking flowers, i consider myself an intelligent woman and i have studied the law in this country but i have to admit that i didn't know it was illegal to pick flowers, i remember as do a few other writers on here, the days when we would go out and pick flowers and make daisy chains etc, we are not talking about a master crime here people. so the parents should have said something, this neither makes them bad parents or criminals. I think the act of Cllr Adams is far more criminal than that of the parent. As for the person who defended Cllr Adams to them i say are you one of the people who votes for the same government who repeatedly lie and then moan for 4 year sand then vote them back in. Lets get real about this and stop the slander.
After writing once already, i have to say how disappointed i am that we as people are so vengefull of little girls picking flowers, i consider myself an intelligent woman and i have studied the law in this country but i have to admit that i didn't know it was illegal to pick flowers, i remember as do a few other writers on here, the days when we would go out and pick flowers and make daisy chains etc, we are not talking about a master crime here people. so the parents should have said something, this neither makes them bad parents or criminals. I think the act of Cllr Adams is far more criminal than that of the parent. As for the person who defended Cllr Adams to them i say are you one of the people who votes for the same government who repeatedly lie and then moan for 4 year sand then vote them back in. Lets get real about this and stop the slander. MrsDJD
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6:40pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

SOCIAL SERVICES MUST INVESTIGATE THIS MOTHER ANDsome of the people posting here who think this is trivial.
SOCIAL SERVICES MUST INVESTIGATE THIS MOTHER ANDsome of the people posting here who think this is trivial. rodoftruth
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6:42pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

rodoftruth wrote:
SOCIAL SERVICES MUST INVESTIGATE THIS MOTHER ANDsome of the people posting here who think this is trivial.
Oh my goodness i hope this is a joke/sarcastic comment
[quote][p][bold]rodoftruth[/bold] wrote: SOCIAL SERVICES MUST INVESTIGATE THIS MOTHER ANDsome of the people posting here who think this is trivial.[/p][/quote]Oh my goodness i hope this is a joke/sarcastic comment MrsDJD
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6:43pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police".
I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?"
Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple,
"Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce.

Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough.

Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well.
Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to.
Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link.

If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified.

I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned.
It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here.
Security word: cost-push
[quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push Bournefre
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6:44pm Tue 15 Mar 11

justmyopinion1 says...

I bet if we all think back to when we were kids most of us have done this at least once, whether it be one flower or ten. Mother's day, mother's birthday and not a penny between us kids. My mum used to love her bunch of flowers we picked for her.
I bet if we all think back to when we were kids most of us have done this at least once, whether it be one flower or ten. Mother's day, mother's birthday and not a penny between us kids. My mum used to love her bunch of flowers we picked for her. justmyopinion1
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6:46pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

justmyopinion1 wrote:
I bet if we all think back to when we were kids most of us have done this at least once, whether it be one flower or ten. Mother's day, mother's birthday and not a penny between us kids. My mum used to love her bunch of flowers we picked for her.
Thank the good Lord for another voice of reason, well said justmyopinion.
[quote][p][bold]justmyopinion1[/bold] wrote: I bet if we all think back to when we were kids most of us have done this at least once, whether it be one flower or ten. Mother's day, mother's birthday and not a penny between us kids. My mum used to love her bunch of flowers we picked for her.[/p][/quote]Thank the good Lord for another voice of reason, well said justmyopinion. MrsDJD
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7:06pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gordon Clifton says...

"Dorset Police said they had received a report of criminal damage to flower beds on Sunday".

Good to see the police respond to a call about criminal damage. Presumably this means that we can all expect a similar response when we report damage to our cars and people hurling cans of beer at shop fronts and much else. One small point though - does this level of service apply only to the family members of councillors?
"Dorset Police said they had received a report of criminal damage to flower beds on Sunday". Good to see the police respond to a call about criminal damage. Presumably this means that we can all expect a similar response when we report damage to our cars and people hurling cans of beer at shop fronts and much else. One small point though - does this level of service apply only to the family members of councillors? Gordon Clifton
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7:24pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bathsheba says...

Well I never stole flowers to give my mum on Mother's Day and she'd have been horrified if I did. Still if it puts a smile on the kids faces it's all worth it - why not pick them from private gardens too, better still nick them from Tesco. That'll teach them to be good citizens.
Well I never stole flowers to give my mum on Mother's Day and she'd have been horrified if I did. Still if it puts a smile on the kids faces it's all worth it - why not pick them from private gardens too, better still nick them from Tesco. That'll teach them to be good citizens. Bathsheba
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7:29pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

Oh for goodness sake, are we to be forbidden to go blackberry picking or conker picking too, after all is it not the same thing, i would be interested how old Bathsheba is, I am well into my 50's and in those days it was the done thing
Oh for goodness sake, are we to be forbidden to go blackberry picking or conker picking too, after all is it not the same thing, i would be interested how old Bathsheba is, I am well into my 50's and in those days it was the done thing MrsDJD
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7:32pm Tue 15 Mar 11

thunderer says...

Oh, honestly, stealing! I think in law picking flowers which are growing wild - and these were certainly not in a flower bed in someone's front garden - is only an offence if you profit from it. And these little children meant no harm, they were having fun in an open space and just wanted to please their parents. Sad that this has caused such an uncharitable and disproportionate response from the police, the councilllor, and of course the perpetually ill-willed Echo-Comments-Crew. Have a heart!
Oh, honestly, stealing! I think in law picking flowers which are growing wild - and these were certainly not in a flower bed in someone's front garden - is only an offence if you profit from it. And these little children meant no harm, they were having fun in an open space and just wanted to please their parents. Sad that this has caused such an uncharitable and disproportionate response from the police, the councilllor, and of course the perpetually ill-willed Echo-Comments-Crew. Have a heart! thunderer
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7:35pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

HERE HERE!!! WELL SAID. What has happened to us as a race that we can be so vile towards children. God help us!!!
HERE HERE!!! WELL SAID. What has happened to us as a race that we can be so vile towards children. God help us!!! MrsDJD
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7:47pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police".
I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?"
Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple,
"Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce.

Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough.

Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well.
Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to.
Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link.

If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified.

I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned.
It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here.
Security word: cost-push
It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help.

Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself.

If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push[/p][/quote]It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft. Gooby
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7:51pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Grumpy Norm says...

Silly cow! Reminds me of that stupid woman who went running to the echo the other week when she got a ticket for parking on a crossing outside a school. Grow up!
Silly cow! Reminds me of that stupid woman who went running to the echo the other week when she got a ticket for parking on a crossing outside a school. Grow up! Grumpy Norm
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8:00pm Tue 15 Mar 11

neesdon says...

STOP THIEF!

There goes most Councilors when picking up their salary and expenses....

We should think about Governing ourselves, these fools are an embarassement and a liability.
STOP THIEF! There goes most Councilors when picking up their salary and expenses.... We should think about Governing ourselves, these fools are an embarassement and a liability. neesdon
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8:05pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police".
I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?"
Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple,
"Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce.

Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough.

Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well.
Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to.
Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link.

If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified.

I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned.
It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here.
Security word: cost-push
It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help.

Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself.

If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.
Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here.
We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me.
Security word: song-room
[quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push[/p][/quote]It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.[/p][/quote]Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room Bournefre
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8:05pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

Gobby and Boringfre! Will you please STOP pressing the quote button or are you just trying to wind everyone up! Forcing everyone to reread your earlier ramblings won't make any of it any better or any more relevant.
Gobby and Boringfre! Will you please STOP pressing the quote button or are you just trying to wind everyone up! Forcing everyone to reread your earlier ramblings won't make any of it any better or any more relevant. honest_paul
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8:14pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

MrsDJD wrote:
rodoftruth wrote:
SOCIAL SERVICES MUST INVESTIGATE THIS MOTHER ANDsome of the people posting here who think this is trivial.
Oh my goodness i hope this is a joke/sarcastic comment
No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right.
Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple.
[quote][p][bold]MrsDJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rodoftruth[/bold] wrote: SOCIAL SERVICES MUST INVESTIGATE THIS MOTHER ANDsome of the people posting here who think this is trivial.[/p][/quote]Oh my goodness i hope this is a joke/sarcastic comment[/p][/quote]No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right. Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple. rodoftruth
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8:14pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

honest_paul wrote:
Gobby and Boringfre! Will you please STOP pressing the quote button or are you just trying to wind everyone up! Forcing everyone to reread your earlier ramblings won't make any of it any better or any more relevant.
It's "Bournefre" and I'm not forcing anyone to read anything.
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[quote][p][bold]honest_paul[/bold] wrote: Gobby and Boringfre! Will you please STOP pressing the quote button or are you just trying to wind everyone up! Forcing everyone to reread your earlier ramblings won't make any of it any better or any more relevant.[/p][/quote]It's "Bournefre" and I'm not forcing anyone to read anything. Security word: true-iron Bournefre
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8:16pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right.
Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple.
No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right. Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple. rodoftruth
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8:17pm Tue 15 Mar 11

rodoftruth says...

No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right.
Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple.
No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right. Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple. rodoftruth
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8:19pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

You've both got your opinions but your constant need to "quote" everything is burying other valuable comments from other posters! No respect for other people's opinions it seems.
Security word: little-hitler
You've both got your opinions but your constant need to "quote" everything is burying other valuable comments from other posters! No respect for other people's opinions it seems. Security word: little-hitler honest_paul
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8:22pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

rodoftruth wrote:
No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right.
Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple.
I find your comments extremely offensive rodoftruth, it's children like baby P who need social services and not a child who picks a few flowers, as i read through these comments i just go cold at what our society has become. My husband who was a police officer for 30 years and now works for social services would be horrified at your comments as he sees the real need in his job. can people also stop taking the story literally as the mother has already stated the figure of 70-80 is nonsense and it was about 20, 20 i grant you that shouldn't have been picked but please get this into perspective
[quote][p][bold]rodoftruth[/bold] wrote: No it's not a joke. The social services need to see if this mother is ticking right. Everyone knows you don't go to a park and pick all the flowers - she then says there was not a sign - therefore she is retarded. Children should be taken into care. It is so simple.[/p][/quote]I find your comments extremely offensive rodoftruth, it's children like baby P who need social services and not a child who picks a few flowers, as i read through these comments i just go cold at what our society has become. My husband who was a police officer for 30 years and now works for social services would be horrified at your comments as he sees the real need in his job. can people also stop taking the story literally as the mother has already stated the figure of 70-80 is nonsense and it was about 20, 20 i grant you that shouldn't have been picked but please get this into perspective MrsDJD
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8:27pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

honest_paul wrote:
You've both got your opinions but your constant need to "quote" everything is burying other valuable comments from other posters! No respect for other people's opinions it seems.
Security word: little-hitler
All you've done on here is waste space whining about people pressing the quote button. Have you got anything useful to say?
Security word: warn-baby
[quote][p][bold]honest_paul[/bold] wrote: You've both got your opinions but your constant need to "quote" everything is burying other valuable comments from other posters! No respect for other people's opinions it seems. Security word: little-hitler[/p][/quote]All you've done on here is waste space whining about people pressing the quote button. Have you got anything useful to say? Security word: warn-baby Bournefre
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8:31pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

Well if you be bothered to take of your blinkers and get down off your high horse you will realise that other people have in fact posted previously.
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Well if you be bothered to take of your blinkers and get down off your high horse you will realise that other people have in fact posted previously. Security word: hypo-critical honest_paul
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8:33pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Tig says...

I used to think that the 'Nanny State' was over zealous. However, given that Mrs Errington has (supposedly) said...
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"Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal."
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...then maybe we do need people telling us how to queue, what to do, what not to do etc., etc. because, clearly, we can no longer work this out for ourselves.
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Who does Mrs E think is going to pay for signage then? Oh yes, that will be us taxpayers (most of whom already know not to pick the flowers).
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I don't actually believe anyone can be so dim and/or naive and then have the audacity to complain to the Echo when they know, full well, that their children are in the wrong. However, I can't say that in this day and age it's that much of a surprise, because people seem to get outraged at the slightest thing they (rightly, in this case) get into trouble for and think it's okay to go running to the press for sympathy. It's a sad world.
I used to think that the 'Nanny State' was over zealous. However, given that Mrs Errington has (supposedly) said... . "Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal." . ...then maybe we do need people telling us how to queue, what to do, what not to do etc., etc. because, clearly, we can no longer work this out for ourselves. . Who does Mrs E think is going to pay for signage then? Oh yes, that will be us taxpayers (most of whom already know not to pick the flowers). . I don't actually believe anyone can be so dim and/or naive and then have the audacity to complain to the Echo when they know, full well, that their children are in the wrong. However, I can't say that in this day and age it's that much of a surprise, because people seem to get outraged at the slightest thing they (rightly, in this case) get into trouble for and think it's okay to go running to the press for sympathy. It's a sad world. Tig
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8:36pm Tue 15 Mar 11

twynham says...

Whilst I respect everybody else’s opinion almost as much as I do my own, these posts are becoming as turgid and repetitive as a Daily Mail editorial, come on folks, let’s concentrate on renaming alleyways to cure anti social behaviour!!!
Whilst I respect everybody else’s opinion almost as much as I do my own, these posts are becoming as turgid and repetitive as a Daily Mail editorial, come on folks, let’s concentrate on renaming alleyways to cure anti social behaviour!!! twynham
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8:41pm Tue 15 Mar 11

neesdon says...

Honest Paul and Bournefre I believe something is going on in the Triangle that might interest you. Quiz night for Condemcloset bores.
Honest Paul and Bournefre I believe something is going on in the Triangle that might interest you. Quiz night for Condemcloset bores. neesdon
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8:46pm Tue 15 Mar 11

obsidianchipmunk says...

Phixer wrote:
"Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention."


So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit.
Phixer - Presumably you don't have children and have no idea how difficult it is to keep an eye on them at all times. I suggest you try it some time before criticising other people.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention." So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit.[/p][/quote]Phixer - Presumably you don't have children and have no idea how difficult it is to keep an eye on them at all times. I suggest you try it some time before criticising other people. obsidianchipmunk
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8:48pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

Dear Bournefre,
You are honestly complaining about moral high ground, so what if it was 70-80 flowers? Interestingly the mother of the children says no more than 20. Who are you going to believe? A councilor who is so proud of his disgraceful efforts to call the police on a 4 year old or a mother whose children think so much of her that they want to pick her some flowers?

Moral High ground?! You are serious you claim any type of morality when you stand behind a law that is used against a 4, 6 and 10 year old! Which Dickensian gutter did you find your morals in?

The number of flowers has nothing to do with your laws, one or a million, this law that you support still defines it as theft. If you can stand up and say that any child that you know of, presented any person that you know of with a bunch of flowers that they had innocently picked and you do not present that child to the police, then you are a hypocrite. Is that an action you would take?

Security word: child-hater
Dear Bournefre, You are honestly complaining about moral high ground, so what if it was 70-80 flowers? Interestingly the mother of the children says no more than 20. Who are you going to believe? A councilor who is so proud of his disgraceful efforts to call the police on a 4 year old or a mother whose children think so much of her that they want to pick her some flowers? Moral High ground?! You are serious you claim any type of morality when you stand behind a law that is used against a 4, 6 and 10 year old! Which Dickensian gutter did you find your morals in? The number of flowers has nothing to do with your laws, one or a million, this law that you support still defines it as theft. If you can stand up and say that any child that you know of, presented any person that you know of with a bunch of flowers that they had innocently picked and you do not present that child to the police, then you are a hypocrite. Is that an action you would take? Security word: child-hater Gooby
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8:48pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

neesdon wrote:
Honest Paul and Bournefre I believe something is going on in the Triangle that might interest you. Quiz night for Condemcloset bores.
Is there? Cool. Thanks for the info but unfortunately I'm not allowed out this late as my Mum doesn't let me. You seem to know a lot more about it than me so I'll take it you'll be going if you're not there already that is. Where is it exactly? Oh hang on a second are you grooming me?
[quote][p][bold]neesdon[/bold] wrote: Honest Paul and Bournefre I believe something is going on in the Triangle that might interest you. Quiz night for Condemcloset bores.[/p][/quote]Is there? Cool. Thanks for the info but unfortunately I'm not allowed out this late as my Mum doesn't let me. You seem to know a lot more about it than me so I'll take it you'll be going if you're not there already that is. Where is it exactly? Oh hang on a second are you grooming me? honest_paul
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9:01pm Tue 15 Mar 11

poolebill says...

good on him. if the parents aren't going to keep an eye on their daughters then someone has to. how would she like it if my children picked flowers, only 20, from her garden? one or two is excusable, after all they are only children, but 20 or however many just proves the parents lack of social skills. this is then confirmed by her actions of running to the press. the police should have made the mother buy some new bulbs and plant them. chavs.
good on him. if the parents aren't going to keep an eye on their daughters then someone has to. how would she like it if my children picked flowers, only 20, from her garden? one or two is excusable, after all they are only children, but 20 or however many just proves the parents lack of social skills. this is then confirmed by her actions of running to the press. the police should have made the mother buy some new bulbs and plant them. chavs. poolebill
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9:02pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Bournefre says...

I meant you're in no position to criticise when you're just throwing insults around.
Whether you're stealing 1 flower or 1000 is theft in either case, but it's easier to turn a blind eye to someone taking 1
Same with blades of grass - "steal" one and nobody would bat an eyelid, but turning up in a pickup and trying to take the whole lot is not on.
Where does it say the children were picking the flowers for their mother?
security word: work-open
I meant you're in no position to criticise when you're just throwing insults around. Whether you're stealing 1 flower or 1000 is theft in either case, but it's easier to turn a blind eye to someone taking 1 Same with blades of grass - "steal" one and nobody would bat an eyelid, but turning up in a pickup and trying to take the whole lot is not on. Where does it say the children were picking the flowers for their mother? security word: work-open Bournefre
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9:05pm Tue 15 Mar 11

The Seasider says...

Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push
It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.
Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room
I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote.
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Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push[/p][/quote]It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.[/p][/quote]Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room[/p][/quote]I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote. . Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone. The Seasider
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9:07pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

The Seasider wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push
It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.
Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room
I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote.
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Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.
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[quote][p][bold]The Seasider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push[/p][/quote]It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.[/p][/quote]Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room[/p][/quote]I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote. . Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.[/p][/quote]Security word:quote-buton honest_paul
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9:08pm Tue 15 Mar 11

honest_paul says...

honest_paul wrote:
The Seasider wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push
It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.
Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room
I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote.
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Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.
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Sorry my bad! Should have read

Security word: quote-button!
[quote][p][bold]honest_paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seasider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push[/p][/quote]It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.[/p][/quote]Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room[/p][/quote]I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote. . Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.[/p][/quote]Security word:quote-buton[/p][/quote]Sorry my bad! Should have read Security word: quote-button! honest_paul
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9:12pm Tue 15 Mar 11

MrsDJD says...

Now I know why our country is going to the dogs!!! Goodnight.
Now I know why our country is going to the dogs!!! Goodnight. MrsDJD
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9:22pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Gooby says...

Bournefre wrote:
I meant you're in no position to criticise when you're just throwing insults around.
Whether you're stealing 1 flower or 1000 is theft in either case, but it's easier to turn a blind eye to someone taking 1
Same with blades of grass - "steal" one and nobody would bat an eyelid, but turning up in a pickup and trying to take the whole lot is not on.
Where does it say the children were picking the flowers for their mother?
security word: work-open
Simply answer the question.
When a child presents you with a flower that has been picked for you, are you going to insist that the police charges the child with theft?

I am very happy to insult someone who believes that the police should hve been used in this way. I will start a list here;
Petty,
Small minded,
Pointless
Disgrace to humanity
... I have hundreds more.

Lets look at the rest of the laws that are used against citizens. There was a heckler at a Labour conference that was charged with "terrorism". It is the "law" according to you, that is enough. Not so long ago a motorist was prosecuted for being a good samaritain and signaling other motorists that there was a speed trap. It was "the law" so of course just and right.

Think for yourself and question authority.

I know for a fact that it will take a very long time for this thought to have any effect because you are still blissfully ignorant of all posters on this forum taking the micky out of you with your "security word" error. Funny but it seems that many ideas pass very far over your head.

Please do not avoid the question at the top of my post. I am facinated to know your answer.

Security word: clueless-numpty
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: I meant you're in no position to criticise when you're just throwing insults around. Whether you're stealing 1 flower or 1000 is theft in either case, but it's easier to turn a blind eye to someone taking 1 Same with blades of grass - "steal" one and nobody would bat an eyelid, but turning up in a pickup and trying to take the whole lot is not on. Where does it say the children were picking the flowers for their mother? security word: work-open[/p][/quote]Simply answer the question. When a child presents you with a flower that has been picked for you, are you going to insist that the police charges the child with theft? I am very happy to insult someone who believes that the police should hve been used in this way. I will start a list here; Petty, Small minded, Pointless Disgrace to humanity ... I have hundreds more. Lets look at the rest of the laws that are used against citizens. There was a heckler at a Labour conference that was charged with "terrorism". It is the "law" according to you, that is enough. Not so long ago a motorist was prosecuted for being a good samaritain and signaling other motorists that there was a speed trap. It was "the law" so of course just and right. Think for yourself and question authority. I know for a fact that it will take a very long time for this thought to have any effect because you are still blissfully ignorant of all posters on this forum taking the micky out of you with your "security word" error. Funny but it seems that many ideas pass very far over your head. Please do not avoid the question at the top of my post. I am facinated to know your answer. Security word: clueless-numpty Gooby
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9:45pm Tue 15 Mar 11

vch says...

honest_paul wrote:
honest_paul wrote:
The Seasider wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push
It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.
Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room
I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote.
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Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.
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Sorry my bad! Should have read

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All aboard the quote train, woo-woo!!
[quote][p][bold]honest_paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest_paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seasider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push[/p][/quote]It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.[/p][/quote]Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room[/p][/quote]I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote. . Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.[/p][/quote]Security word:quote-buton[/p][/quote]Sorry my bad! Should have read Security word: quote-button![/p][/quote]All aboard the quote train, woo-woo!! vch
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10:24pm Tue 15 Mar 11

BIGTONE says...

AmsterdamMan wrote:
I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.
So what you are saying here then that it is ok for them to let thier sprogs pick the flowers off graves in a graveyard?
Yes,the graveyards are owned by us too.
I suspect the parents would not let them take flowers off graves.Why?
It's called respect and they obviously don't know what this is.So in conclusion it is clear these parents have no respect for thier environment. I bet they left litter on the gound too.
[quote][p][bold]AmsterdamMan[/bold] wrote: I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.[/p][/quote]So what you are saying here then that it is ok for them to let thier sprogs pick the flowers off graves in a graveyard? Yes,the graveyards are owned by us too. I suspect the parents would not let them take flowers off graves.Why? It's called respect and they obviously don't know what this is.So in conclusion it is clear these parents have no respect for thier environment. I bet they left litter on the gound too. BIGTONE
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11:02pm Tue 15 Mar 11

Megnom says...

LilliputMum1 wrote:
As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so.

We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning.

When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known.

Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
So you would rather have signs all over saying " Don't pick" etc
If you cannot control your children then you have no right to be in charge of them.
It is you that needs educating,
I hope you have at least learned one lesson from this.
[quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]So you would rather have signs all over saying " Don't pick" etc If you cannot control your children then you have no right to be in charge of them. It is you that needs educating, I hope you have at least learned one lesson from this. Megnom
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11:12pm Tue 15 Mar 11

The Seasider says...

vch wrote:
honest_paul wrote:
honest_paul wrote:
The Seasider wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
WOC wrote:
Bournefre wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish
LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL
Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark
At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.
You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn
Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.
It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step
I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.
It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push
It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.
Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room
I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote. . Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.
Security word:quote-buton
Sorry my bad! Should have read Security word: quote-button!
All aboard the quote train, woo-woo!!
Sorry the quote-train has been cancelled. Wrong sort of daffodils on the line. Instead a replacement quote-bus service will commence shortly.
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We are through the quote looking glass now folks. We are entering the Quote Matrix ...1..0...1. 1.1.1..0.0.0 .1010 1010....
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Just look at the trouble these little flowers have caused!!! I hope they hang their bright yellow heads in shame....
[quote][p][bold]vch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest_paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honest_paul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seasider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WOC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: It is important for the police to start alienating the general public from an early age, which helps to instill a "them and us" mentality. That said the response was a bit heavy handed - the officers could have just reminded the parents that harvesting flowers in a public park is stealing and moved them along, instead of racing to the scene with lights and sirens, arresting the young girls, handcuffing them and throwing them in the cells.... - LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... Security word: bird-wish[/p][/quote]LilliputMum1 is quite right of course - there should be adequate signage reminding people not to steal the flowers, drive motor vehicles on the grass, play loud music, fly tip, defaecate in the bushes.... That's right cover the ground in signage then there will be no room for any flowers. With people like you two it's no wonder this country is going slightly bonkers!!! The kids were in the wrong, the parents were in the wrong BUT the Councillor could have taken them to one side to have a quiet word rather than wasting our tax and calling the police. Security work gold-soil.......LOL[/p][/quote]Oh so the councillor should have just casually walked up to a woman in the park and called her a bad mother? Even the police didn't dare do that, which is why they pointed out the children were committing a criminal offence, which is where the problem has arisen. security word: boat-dark[/p][/quote]At what point did I say she was a bad mother? I simply stated that both the parents and the children were at fault. I also said was that the Councillor could have walked up to the parents and told them politely that destroying the flower beds was a criminal offence and if they didn't stop doing it he would have to call the police. The police could then have dealt with investigating more serious incidents such as my 87 year old grandmothers recent burglary.[/p][/quote]You didn't, but that would be the implication - a man walks up to a woman he's never met "excuse me, but if you don't stop your children from picking the flowers I'm going to call the police". I can imagine the reply to be something along the lines of "Who the hell are you to tell me what my children can and can't pick?" Security word: line-warn[/p][/quote]Perhaps a simple, "Excuse me, do you realise your children are picking flowers? That is actually prohibited in this park and it would be appreciated if you would stop. Thank you" This would be a reasoned and reasonable responce. Instead , you could stand there and watch, call the police, waste police time over flowers in a park. I am sure the police had nothing better to do and if they didnt then I think the police cuts have not been deep enough. Now the interesting thing about this is that the police would not release details of a complaint to the public. Cllr Adams must have been so proud of his actions he has given details regarding his conduct. He is proud of calling the police on little girls (one still a toddler!) that he has given out the details.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter how simply you say it, it amounts to the same thing - questioning a woman's parenting, which never seems to go down well. Some woman on here even seems to think there needs to be signs everywhere telling people they shouldn't steal the flowers, so it seems unlikely she would stop her children enjoying themselves just because some busybody asked her to. Security word: date-step[/p][/quote]I would love to know how politely pointing out that picking flowers is prohibited is "questioning her parenting". I am sorry but I am unable to make that link. If, upon a polite request to stop then involving the police could be justified. I am still strugling to understand a mentality that would criminalise young girls for picking flowers and even worse someone who would stand behind these actions.[/p][/quote]It's not difficult - "excuse me, do you realise that what you're letting your children do is wrong?" Do you see? However you phrase it you're talking about a man telling a woman that she should stop her children doing something that she's already sanctioned. It's illegal to take something that doesn't belong to you, and no consolation that the thieves are children, regardless of whether or not they realised that what they were doing was wrong - it is the parents' responsibility to teach them that, and failing that the police's responsibility to uphold the law, which is what happened here. Security word: cost-push[/p][/quote]It seems you lack the simple imagination and basic diplomacy that this disgraceful and gutless Mr. Adams suffers from. In your case it may be forgivable but not some a councilor who should have a shred of decency and diplomacy. If you are unable to word a simple request to not pick flowers that isnt offensive then you really need some help. Too many "people" hide behind the cop out phrase "it is illegal". I am 99% sure that this law was not enacted into our nanny state to criminalise a 4 year old girl and if that was the intent we should lock up our politicans. Standing behind a law that is used to threaten children is DISGRACEFUL and you should be ashamed of yourself. If you demand that this is the case, I demand that if your child, friends child, grandchild, etc etc, were to pick a bunch of flowers for yourself, your wife, partner, spouse, friend, relative etc etc, you should drive that child to the police station and demand that the child be charged with theft.[/p][/quote]Given that little outburst it's not as if you can take the moral high ground here. We're not talking about one or two flowers here, we're talking about a woman taking her children out to harvest "70 - 80" of them. There are no signs on the beach saying you can't "steal" the sand and i doubt you'd get police officers asking you not to take it away with you between your toes, but if I turned up in a lorry and started filling it up and I would expect to get told off, regardless of whether or not I had a small child with me. Security word: song-room[/p][/quote]I just want to see what happens to the words when you quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote a quote. . Wow, 150+ comments in a day. I guess we love our daff's. Now come on petals, lets all calm down. Best leaf it alone.[/p][/quote]Security word:quote-buton[/p][/quote]Sorry my bad! Should have read Security word: quote-button![/p][/quote]All aboard the quote train, woo-woo!![/p][/quote]Sorry the quote-train has been cancelled. Wrong sort of daffodils on the line. Instead a replacement quote-bus service will commence shortly. . We are through the quote looking glass now folks. We are entering the Quote Matrix ...1..0...1. 1.1.1..0.0.0 .1010 1010.... . Just look at the trouble these little flowers have caused!!! I hope they hang their bright yellow heads in shame.... The Seasider
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12:05am Wed 16 Mar 11

JonathanP says...

80 daffodills isn't much in return for over £1000 council tax. At least they got something for their money.
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Seriously though, common sense tells you that you shouldn't pick them otherwise there will be none left for others to enjoy.
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Sadly bad supervision by adults is almost the norm nowadays.
80 daffodills isn't much in return for over £1000 council tax. At least they got something for their money. . Seriously though, common sense tells you that you shouldn't pick them otherwise there will be none left for others to enjoy. . Sadly bad supervision by adults is almost the norm nowadays. JonathanP
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12:05am Wed 16 Mar 11

JonathanP says...

80 daffodills isn't much in return for over £1000 council tax. At least they got something for their money.
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Seriously though, common sense tells you that you shouldn't pick them otherwise there will be none left for others to enjoy.
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Sadly bad supervision by adults is almost the norm nowadays.
80 daffodills isn't much in return for over £1000 council tax. At least they got something for their money. . Seriously though, common sense tells you that you shouldn't pick them otherwise there will be none left for others to enjoy. . Sadly bad supervision by adults is almost the norm nowadays. JonathanP
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12:22am Wed 16 Mar 11

carrie54 says...

OK LILIPUT MUM give me an answer to this if there was signage up would you have still let your children pick all those flowers? Also did you offer to repair the damage your children did? Did you then tell your children never to pinch what don't belong to them. Did you really sit back and watch your children destroy someones elses pleasure to satisfy your own. Or did you as I suspect thought oh well they belong to the council and they can afford them, that it's your right to have everything laid on for you and your childrens pleasure. Well sorry those flowers got paid for by others who paid thier council tax. There is a world of differance to picking wide blackberries that grow through neglect and be picking you are stopping even more setting seed. Than cultivated daffodils. Mrs B I presume you also got a good hiding from your parents for pinching when you was a kid. Or did you knowing it was wrong not tell your mum.
OK LILIPUT MUM give me an answer to this if there was signage up would you have still let your children pick all those flowers? Also did you offer to repair the damage your children did? Did you then tell your children never to pinch what don't belong to them. Did you really sit back and watch your children destroy someones elses pleasure to satisfy your own. Or did you as I suspect thought oh well they belong to the council and they can afford them, that it's your right to have everything laid on for you and your childrens pleasure. Well sorry those flowers got paid for by others who paid thier council tax. There is a world of differance to picking wide blackberries that grow through neglect and be picking you are stopping even more setting seed. Than cultivated daffodils. Mrs B I presume you also got a good hiding from your parents for pinching when you was a kid. Or did you knowing it was wrong not tell your mum. carrie54
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12:28am Wed 16 Mar 11

DragonofWales says...

Will all you political opportunists shut up, this is about parents who lets their kids pick not 20 but 70 to 80 of our national Flower from a public park we the local tax payer s pay for and for some reason think it OK!. The law is the law and ignorance of the law is no defence. What are the parents trying to tell us its ok to pull up plants, would it be ok if we go and pick their flowers the answer would be OK not !!
TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO RESPECT PROPERTY AND THE ENVIROMENT AND NOT DESTROY IT
Will all you political opportunists shut up, this is about parents who lets their kids pick not 20 but 70 to 80 of our national Flower from a public park we the local tax payer s pay for and for some reason think it OK!. The law is the law and ignorance of the law is no defence. What are the parents trying to tell us its ok to pull up plants, would it be ok if we go and pick their flowers the answer would be OK not !! TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO RESPECT PROPERTY AND THE ENVIROMENT AND NOT DESTROY IT DragonofWales
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2:09am Wed 16 Mar 11

butlincat says...

At least they didnt beat the children.

And I cant help thinking some of the commentators here need to see doctors. Theyre children, ffs, and children make mistakes. Get lives all of you idiot negative comment makers, and get help while you can!!

Oh, and RIP Ian Tomlinson - youre gone by the actions of a thug policeman, but not forgotten!!
At least they didnt beat the children. And I cant help thinking some of the commentators here need to see doctors. Theyre children, ffs, and children make mistakes. Get lives all of you idiot negative comment makers, and get help while you can!! Oh, and RIP Ian Tomlinson - youre gone by the actions of a thug policeman, but not forgotten!! butlincat
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3:59am Wed 16 Mar 11

tonyrichards1 says...

Just lock the kids up..that will teach them not to read the sign that says...:do not pick the flowers:
Just lock the kids up..that will teach them not to read the sign that says...:do not pick the flowers: tonyrichards1
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4:41am Wed 16 Mar 11

lippy250980 says...

we are childminders and while attending poole park on tuesday we had 4 children in our care, each child picked 1 daffodil and they got told off.( bear in mind their only 2-4yrs) yet it was ok for them to hear the park wardens and council workers f***ing and going at each other in a heated discussion in front of them!! I DONT THINK SO!!! what on earth is the world coming to nowadays. do people not realise theres major issues gonig on in the world!!! IM THINKING ITS TIME THESE PEOPLE GOT OVER THEMSELVES.
we are childminders and while attending poole park on tuesday we had 4 children in our care, each child picked 1 daffodil and they got told off.( bear in mind their only 2-4yrs) yet it was ok for them to hear the park wardens and council workers f***ing and going at each other in a heated discussion in front of them!! I DONT THINK SO!!! what on earth is the world coming to nowadays. do people not realise theres major issues gonig on in the world!!! IM THINKING ITS TIME THESE PEOPLE GOT OVER THEMSELVES. lippy250980
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8:13am Wed 16 Mar 11

Dorsetbaby says...

I had a load of solar light stolen from my front garden last easter. It took them over 6 months to come out and see me. They only came then because I was making a complaint against an officer who dealt with my accident. Otherwise they would not of bothered. Unbelievable that they can find the time to come to this. Our garage was broken into a few years back and our car had all it's windows broken. We waited all that night for them to come out but they did not come until two days later. My hubby had to come home from work to meet them. We told them what children had caused the damage. As our daughter had seen them. They were filming it on their phones.They said that was not good enough and that they would be taking it no further.Madness.
I had a load of solar light stolen from my front garden last easter. It took them over 6 months to come out and see me. They only came then because I was making a complaint against an officer who dealt with my accident. Otherwise they would not of bothered. Unbelievable that they can find the time to come to this. Our garage was broken into a few years back and our car had all it's windows broken. We waited all that night for them to come out but they did not come until two days later. My hubby had to come home from work to meet them. We told them what children had caused the damage. As our daughter had seen them. They were filming it on their phones.They said that was not good enough and that they would be taking it no further.Madness. Dorsetbaby
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9:47am Wed 16 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

ltm wrote:
What is the world coming to when criminals are just let off with a warning? The police should have called for backup, the perpetrators should have been tasered and restrained, taken to the police station, brought before a judge and sentenced to at least 6 years.
Absolutely right "ltm" - and in days gone by they would have been deported to Botany Bay!
[quote][p][bold]ltm[/bold] wrote: What is the world coming to when criminals are just let off with a warning? The police should have called for backup, the perpetrators should have been tasered and restrained, taken to the police station, brought before a judge and sentenced to at least 6 years.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right "ltm" - and in days gone by they would have been deported to Botany Bay! kangman2012
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9:55am Wed 16 Mar 11

grazzer says...

before condemming the poor children of Lilliput,we should bear in mind that those daffodils were probably the only meal they had that day,so please try and show a little compassion.
before condemming the poor children of Lilliput,we should bear in mind that those daffodils were probably the only meal they had that day,so please try and show a little compassion. grazzer
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9:58am Wed 16 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

MrsDJD wrote:
after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.
Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing!
[quote][p][bold]MrsDJD[/bold] wrote: after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.[/p][/quote]Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing! kangman2012
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10:03am Wed 16 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

Brian Badonde wrote:
Have any of you actually read the article??: To quote: "Officers told the **parents** of the girls..." and "Councillor Peter Adams, who said **a family member of his** had reported the incident..." In any case, I agree that it should be obvious that ripping up a large quantity of flowers you don't own is wrong. To suggest a sign is required is quite ridiculous.
What's wrong with a sign you idiot. You see "Keep off the grass" signs all the time - nothing wrong with "Please don't pick the flowers".
[quote][p][bold]Brian Badonde[/bold] wrote: Have any of you actually read the article??: To quote: "Officers told the **parents** of the girls..." and "Councillor Peter Adams, who said **a family member of his** had reported the incident..." In any case, I agree that it should be obvious that ripping up a large quantity of flowers you don't own is wrong. To suggest a sign is required is quite ridiculous.[/p][/quote]What's wrong with a sign you idiot. You see "Keep off the grass" signs all the time - nothing wrong with "Please don't pick the flowers". kangman2012
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10:18am Wed 16 Mar 11

solitaire says...

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10:24am Wed 16 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

mike97 wrote:
I would also like to add that with everything that has happened in Japan over the last few days, the mother should not have gone to the Echo. She should have realised that her plight would seem insignificant compared to that of those living in Western Japan. She should thank her starts that she could enjoy the park and go home to a nice warm house! So her kids were upset by the policemen?? At least they have had an early lesson in abiding by the law.
Hey "Mike97" - Are you familiar with "The Butterfly Effect" - The butterfly effect is a metaphor that encapsulates the concept of sensitive dependence on initial conditions in chaos theory - It's a possiblity that the picking of daffodils was a direct cause of the Japanese earthquake and Tsunami...!
[quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: I would also like to add that with everything that has happened in Japan over the last few days, the mother should not have gone to the Echo. She should have realised that her plight would seem insignificant compared to that of those living in Western Japan. She should thank her starts that she could enjoy the park and go home to a nice warm house! So her kids were upset by the policemen?? At least they have had an early lesson in abiding by the law.[/p][/quote]Hey "Mike97" - Are you familiar with "The Butterfly Effect" - The butterfly effect is a metaphor that encapsulates the concept of sensitive dependence on initial conditions in chaos theory - It's a possiblity that the picking of daffodils was a direct cause of the Japanese earthquake and Tsunami...! kangman2012
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10:35am Wed 16 Mar 11

mike97 says...

kangman2012 wrote:
MrsDJD wrote: after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.
Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing!
Cllr. Adams is a Poole Councillor, not Bournemouth
[quote][p][bold]kangman2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsDJD[/bold] wrote: after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.[/p][/quote]Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing![/p][/quote]Cllr. Adams is a Poole Councillor, not Bournemouth mike97
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10:40am Wed 16 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

Apart from a lot of people's exessive use of the quote button there are also a lot of "double-click" posts on this thread - suggesting that quite a few "posters" don't know what they're doing - sounds like we could have "councillors" and "relatives of councillors" on here!
Apart from a lot of people's exessive use of the quote button there are also a lot of "double-click" posts on this thread - suggesting that quite a few "posters" don't know what they're doing - sounds like we could have "councillors" and "relatives of councillors" on here! kangman2012
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10:46am Wed 16 Mar 11

kangman2012 says...

mike97 wrote:
kangman2012 wrote:
MrsDJD wrote: after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.
Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing!
Cllr. Adams is a Poole Councillor, not Bournemouth
It appears then "Mike97" that "MrsDJD" is confused. After this story I'm sure that the majority of voters in Poole would be happy for the voters in Bournemouth to have Cllr. Adams standing for Bournemouth rather than Poole council as he has made a complete idiot of himself as a result of this story.
[quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kangman2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsDJD[/bold] wrote: after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.[/p][/quote]Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing![/p][/quote]Cllr. Adams is a Poole Councillor, not Bournemouth[/p][/quote]It appears then "Mike97" that "MrsDJD" is confused. After this story I'm sure that the majority of voters in Poole would be happy for the voters in Bournemouth to have Cllr. Adams standing for Bournemouth rather than Poole council as he has made a complete idiot of himself as a result of this story. kangman2012
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10:51am Wed 16 Mar 11

b26b says...

178 comments?!?!?! Echo close this story let people go out and get a life!
178 comments?!?!?! Echo close this story let people go out and get a life! b26b
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11:21am Wed 16 Mar 11

TheDistrict says...

I did not think children of 10 years and under are elligible to commit a crime.
I did not think children of 10 years and under are elligible to commit a crime. TheDistrict
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11:26am Wed 16 Mar 11

Syd Poumen says...

b26b wrote:
178 comments?!?!?! Echo close this story let people go out and get a life!
.....which is more than those poor daffodils were allowed!
[quote][p][bold]b26b[/bold] wrote: 178 comments?!?!?! Echo close this story let people go out and get a life![/p][/quote].....which is more than those poor daffodils were allowed! Syd Poumen
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11:34am Wed 16 Mar 11

Jonkers says...

MrsDJD wrote:
Now I know why our country is going to the dogs!!! Goodnight.
Thank god what a drama queen!

"will nobody think of the children????"
[quote][p][bold]MrsDJD[/bold] wrote: Now I know why our country is going to the dogs!!! Goodnight.[/p][/quote]Thank god what a drama queen! "will nobody think of the children????" Jonkers
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11:40am Wed 16 Mar 11

downmoor-ch says...

no more comments please!
no more comments please! downmoor-ch
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11:41am Wed 16 Mar 11

downmoor-ch says...

no more comments please!
no more comments please! downmoor-ch
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11:44am Wed 16 Mar 11

Syd Poumen says...

mike97 wrote:
kangman2012 wrote:
MrsDJD wrote: after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.
Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing!
Cllr. Adams is a Poole Councillor, not Bournemouth
Cllr Adams is a Councillor for Oakdale whose beautiful large garden overlooks Whitecliff.
Just think of the love of biblical proportions that might have been created if instead of picking these daffodils one of these little girls had taken an apple from Adams' Garden of Eden!
[quote][p][bold]mike97[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kangman2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsDJD[/bold] wrote: after reading most of these comments and agreeing with some and strongly agreeing with others i feel the usual "common sense" is once again nowhere to be found (in some cases), the fact is we the people elect Councillors to represent us the people of Bournemouth and it would appear that Cllr Adams had no thought or care regarding what his actions might do (ie terrify children). As a representitive of the people he should have dealt with this via a polite word with the children's parents instead he wasted valuable police time, terrified children and justified it with a comment saying it is theft, well Cllr Adams these were children, a breed you obviously don't understand or want in the parks or countryside. The question i pose is why would Cllr Adams do this, could it possibly be to raise his name and awareness in the press for the forth coming election. Before you shout me down i also agree that these babies parents should have been watching them more closely and should have stopped them from picking them, but please let's deal with each other with respect, understanding and kindness and not in a way that frighten's our children and turns them against the police because they fear them.[/p][/quote]Just one point. I don't follow local politics and wouldn't know a local pollitician if I fell over one but if Cllr. Adams is a Bournemouth councillor as you say, what is he doing at Whitecliffe, Poole, poking his nose into things that as a Bournemouth councillor he has absolutely no right doing![/p][/quote]Cllr. Adams is a Poole Councillor, not Bournemouth[/p][/quote]Cllr Adams is a Councillor for Oakdale whose beautiful large garden overlooks Whitecliff. Just think of the love of biblical proportions that might have been created if instead of picking these daffodils one of these little girls had taken an apple from Adams' Garden of Eden! Syd Poumen
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12:38pm Wed 16 Mar 11

2ndembo says...

Just heard Cllr Adams and Neil Butterworh on Radio 2...

Let's say the kids picked a few daffs each and then presented them to the mum. Surely the right response is to explain to the kids that they shouldn't pick any more park flowers - and that they're best left growing in the park for the benefit of all? To allow them to carry on picking the daffs is plain wrong.

Well done for going up and having a chat with the mum.
Just heard Cllr Adams and Neil Butterworh on Radio 2... Let's say the kids picked a few daffs each and then presented them to the mum. Surely the right response is to explain to the kids that they shouldn't pick any more park flowers - and that they're best left growing in the park for the benefit of all? To allow them to carry on picking the daffs is plain wrong. Well done for going up and having a chat with the mum. 2ndembo
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1:08pm Wed 16 Mar 11

farigola32 says...

Enough now. the children didn't know they shouldn't pick the daffs because the parents didn't tell thm and indeed appear not to have been aware of what they were doing - luckily, the girls are safe and didn't fall prey to anyone more sinister in the vicinity than a sad councillor with nowt better to do on a beautiful day than unnecesarily call the police. It was wrong to pick the daffs but now everyone is well aware of their error.the council itself began the ruinous process of destroying flowering crocus, wildlife habitats and emerging daffodils, a couple of weeks ago with clumsy 'pruning' and churning the area into quagmire with indiscriminate use of a tractor. Shame on you Adams for abusing position of 'power' and wasting police resources. Hope the 'daffodil police' will respond with such alacrity to all future crimes!
Enough now. the children didn't know they shouldn't pick the daffs because the parents didn't tell thm and indeed appear not to have been aware of what they were doing - luckily, the girls are safe and didn't fall prey to anyone more sinister in the vicinity than a sad councillor with nowt better to do on a beautiful day than unnecesarily call the police. It was wrong to pick the daffs but now everyone is well aware of their error.the council itself began the ruinous process of destroying flowering crocus, wildlife habitats and emerging daffodils, a couple of weeks ago with clumsy 'pruning' and churning the area into quagmire with indiscriminate use of a tractor. Shame on you Adams for abusing position of 'power' and wasting police resources. Hope the 'daffodil police' will respond with such alacrity to all future crimes! farigola32
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1:21pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Baysider says...

Having just heard Cllr Adams and Neil Butterworth on the radio being interviewed over this matter there are significant numbers of people on this thread who should retract their anti LA, public sector hating bile.

The family were approached and requested to stop their children from picking the daf's. The response being less than polite or positive by all accounts. it was only after this and them continuing that the police were called. Presumably they were in the area anyway as they got there very quickly and dealt with it appropriately.

Rather than accept that their behavour was wrong and take some responsiblity the parents ran off whinging to the Echo, who of course just can't help themselves publishing half truths and council bashing at every opportunity. The result is yet another set of dogmatic, insulting, anti public sector, nonsense based on a nothing story. Pathetic.
Having just heard Cllr Adams and Neil Butterworth on the radio being interviewed over this matter there are significant numbers of people on this thread who should retract their anti LA, public sector hating bile. The family were approached and requested to stop their children from picking the daf's. The response being less than polite or positive by all accounts. it was only after this and them continuing that the police were called. Presumably they were in the area anyway as they got there very quickly and dealt with it appropriately. Rather than accept that their behavour was wrong and take some responsiblity the parents ran off whinging to the Echo, who of course just can't help themselves publishing half truths and council bashing at every opportunity. The result is yet another set of dogmatic, insulting, anti public sector, nonsense based on a nothing story. Pathetic. Baysider
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1:36pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Baysider wrote:
Having just heard Cllr Adams and Neil Butterworth on the radio being interviewed over this matter there are significant numbers of people on this thread who should retract their anti LA, public sector hating bile.

The family were approached and requested to stop their children from picking the daf's. The response being less than polite or positive by all accounts. it was only after this and them continuing that the police were called. Presumably they were in the area anyway as they got there very quickly and dealt with it appropriately.

Rather than accept that their behavour was wrong and take some responsiblity the parents ran off whinging to the Echo, who of course just can't help themselves publishing half truths and council bashing at every opportunity. The result is yet another set of dogmatic, insulting, anti public sector, nonsense based on a nothing story. Pathetic.
The Echo guilty of poor journalism, sensationalist headlines, biased stories and inaccuracies????
Yep, happens all the time!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Having just heard Cllr Adams and Neil Butterworth on the radio being interviewed over this matter there are significant numbers of people on this thread who should retract their anti LA, public sector hating bile. The family were approached and requested to stop their children from picking the daf's. The response being less than polite or positive by all accounts. it was only after this and them continuing that the police were called. Presumably they were in the area anyway as they got there very quickly and dealt with it appropriately. Rather than accept that their behavour was wrong and take some responsiblity the parents ran off whinging to the Echo, who of course just can't help themselves publishing half truths and council bashing at every opportunity. The result is yet another set of dogmatic, insulting, anti public sector, nonsense based on a nothing story. Pathetic.[/p][/quote]The Echo guilty of poor journalism, sensationalist headlines, biased stories and inaccuracies???? Yep, happens all the time! Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
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1:39pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Janeygirl says...

I do not understand why this 'mother' was not arrested and charged.
I hope social services will deal with this matter and remove the children into care.
I have been using the park for many years and take my grand-children there, had I seen this I would have been extremely angry and may well have slapped her face, such a disgrace.

I shall get my son to print out her picture for me and I shall keep a watch for this vandal.

She has not even been banned from the park say for 5 years?

She needs to be interned to a reeducation centre at the very least.

Soon Poole will degenerate into areas like Bournemouth.

Jane 74yrs old
Westcliff
I do not understand why this 'mother' was not arrested and charged. I hope social services will deal with this matter and remove the children into care. I have been using the park for many years and take my grand-children there, had I seen this I would have been extremely angry and may well have slapped her face, such a disgrace. I shall get my son to print out her picture for me and I shall keep a watch for this vandal. She has not even been banned from the park say for 5 years? She needs to be interned to a reeducation centre at the very least. Soon Poole will degenerate into areas like Bournemouth. Jane 74yrs old Westcliff Janeygirl
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1:44pm Wed 16 Mar 11

DragonofWales says...

At the end of the day Councillor Adams did what any other decent law abiding person would do stand up when being confronted by the foul mouthed abusive parents - phone the police. WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT, PUBLIC AREAS OPEN FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF EVERYONE TO ENJOY THE FLOWERS OR PUBLIC AREAS DESTROYED BY VANDALS.

WELL DONE CLR ADAMS THE PEOPLE OF WALES SUPPORT YOU !!!!!!
At the end of the day Councillor Adams did what any other decent law abiding person would do stand up when being confronted by the foul mouthed abusive parents - phone the police. WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT, PUBLIC AREAS OPEN FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF EVERYONE TO ENJOY THE FLOWERS OR PUBLIC AREAS DESTROYED BY VANDALS. WELL DONE CLR ADAMS THE PEOPLE OF WALES SUPPORT YOU !!!!!! DragonofWales
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1:52pm Wed 16 Mar 11

madgeman says...

rodoftruth wrote:
How some some people can write some of the drivel here - tangenting off about councillors' pay, finding stolen bikes, reducing expenditure on flowers is curious. The comments are off subject. That we now have a police force that is para-military in appearance and behaviour is true and is frightening even for adults - soon such incidents will be attended by the armed support units. It is regrettable that the police were disturbed on a Sunday-double time- they may not have finished polished their boots or sleeping - do you think they care about anything in the community? Of course not - they are in it just for the money thinking how stupid we all are while they ponce around everywhere. They are fast loosing the trust of everyone. They wear more body armour here than anywhere in the world?
Oh dear, someone believes that old wives tale about the Police being paid double time on Sundays!
Nick Robinson stated the same on BBC, then apoligised a few days later as he got it wrong!
[quote][p][bold]rodoftruth[/bold] wrote: How some some people can write some of the drivel here - tangenting off about councillors' pay, finding stolen bikes, reducing expenditure on flowers is curious. The comments are off subject. That we now have a police force that is para-military in appearance and behaviour is true and is frightening even for adults - soon such incidents will be attended by the armed support units. It is regrettable that the police were disturbed on a Sunday-double time- they may not have finished polished their boots or sleeping - do you think they care about anything in the community? Of course not - they are in it just for the money thinking how stupid we all are while they ponce around everywhere. They are fast loosing the trust of everyone. They wear more body armour here than anywhere in the world?[/p][/quote]Oh dear, someone believes that old wives tale about the Police being paid double time on Sundays! Nick Robinson stated the same on BBC, then apoligised a few days later as he got it wrong! madgeman
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2:48pm Wed 16 Mar 11

rogerjs16 says...

Why do we allow stupid people to have children ? How could the mother not see what was going on or see it was a problem ?
Why do we allow stupid people to have children ? How could the mother not see what was going on or see it was a problem ? rogerjs16
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4:34pm Wed 16 Mar 11

ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH says...

Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??)

a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased.

b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers.

Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers".

Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK???

Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested.

What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement?

In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen!

Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we?
Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??) a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased. b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers. Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers". Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK??? Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested. What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement? In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen! Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we? ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH
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4:48pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Patt says...

This was theft. These parents do not appear to know right from wrong and need lessons on how to bring up children who will be responsible citizens. Otherwise, the risk is that these poor children will end up as part of the criminal under class, being charged with anti-social behaviour or other crimes.
This was theft. These parents do not appear to know right from wrong and need lessons on how to bring up children who will be responsible citizens. Otherwise, the risk is that these poor children will end up as part of the criminal under class, being charged with anti-social behaviour or other crimes. Patt
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5:16pm Wed 16 Mar 11

ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH says...

Patt, London, you seem delusional due to your comments. Maybe letting your dog trample on and **** and **** on the flowers in the sacred St. Cleaments churchyard is more serious? Afterall, have you read the signs in there?

Trust me, pal. Children picking flowers at the age of 4 DOES NOT lead to "ending up as part of the criminal under class, being charged with anti-social behaviour or other crimes."
Patt, London, you seem delusional due to your comments. Maybe letting your dog trample on and **** and **** on the flowers in the sacred St. Cleaments churchyard is more serious? Afterall, have you read the signs in there? Trust me, pal. Children picking flowers at the age of 4 DOES NOT lead to "ending up as part of the criminal under class, being charged with anti-social behaviour or other crimes." ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH
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6:39pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Janeygirl says...

ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH wrote:
Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??)

a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased.

b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers.

Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers".

Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK???

Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested.

What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement?

In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen!

Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we?
Florida is an awful place - this article IS NOT ABOUT whether there are not more important issues or not.
It is not about children picking flowers.
It is not about dogs 'excreting', neither is it about American terrorists' activities in the peace-loving Afghanistan.
It is about a mother being abusive when told to leave flowers in a public park, her indignation that the police were then called although unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs.
This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into car, because it is quite clear they are in danger. They are being groomed to star in 'Shameless' perhaps, when they are teens they will say we got pregnant because we did not see a sign telling us to use contraceptives.
Welcome to dumbed-down Britain.

Perhaps someone from Poole Social Services could comment on this.
[quote][p][bold]ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH[/bold] wrote: Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??) a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased. b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers. Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers". Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK??? Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested. What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement? In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen! Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we?[/p][/quote]Florida is an awful place - this article IS NOT ABOUT whether there are not more important issues or not. It is not about children picking flowers. It is not about dogs 'excreting', neither is it about American terrorists' activities in the peace-loving Afghanistan. It is about a mother being abusive when told to leave flowers in a public park, her indignation that the police were then called although unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs. This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into car, because it is quite clear they are in danger. They are being groomed to star in 'Shameless' perhaps, when they are teens they will say we got pregnant because we did not see a sign telling us to use contraceptives. Welcome to dumbed-down Britain. Perhaps someone from Poole Social Services could comment on this. Janeygirl
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6:40pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Janeygirl says...

Florida is an awful place - this article IS NOT ABOUT whether there are not more important issues or not.
It is not about children picking flowers.
It is not about dogs 'excreting', neither is it about American terrorists' activities in the peace-loving Afghanistan.
It is about a mother being abusive when told to leave flowers in a public park, her indignation that the police were then called although unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs.
This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into car, because it is quite clear they are in danger. They are being groomed to star in 'Shameless' perhaps, when they are teens they will say we got pregnant because we did not see a sign telling us to use contraceptives.
Welcome to dumbed-down Britain.

Perhaps someone from Poole Social Services could comment on this.
Florida is an awful place - this article IS NOT ABOUT whether there are not more important issues or not. It is not about children picking flowers. It is not about dogs 'excreting', neither is it about American terrorists' activities in the peace-loving Afghanistan. It is about a mother being abusive when told to leave flowers in a public park, her indignation that the police were then called although unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs. This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into car, because it is quite clear they are in danger. They are being groomed to star in 'Shameless' perhaps, when they are teens they will say we got pregnant because we did not see a sign telling us to use contraceptives. Welcome to dumbed-down Britain. Perhaps someone from Poole Social Services could comment on this. Janeygirl
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6:49pm Wed 16 Mar 11

rook says...

solitaire wrote:
http://blogs.telegra

ph.co.uk/news/guywal

ters/100080009/the-p

olice-are-right-to-s

top-children-picking

-daffodils/
I just read that article. I'll just quote the first comment "The Case of the Dorset Daffodil Pickers is not a story of heavy-handed policing but one of cack-handed journalism".

Agreed. Unfortunately too often the case as headlines (and often content) are written to induce reaction and comment.


..... so I'm reacting and commenting :-)
[quote][p][bold]solitaire[/bold] wrote: http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/guywal ters/100080009/the-p olice-are-right-to-s top-children-picking -daffodils/[/p][/quote]I just read that article. I'll just quote the first comment "The Case of the Dorset Daffodil Pickers is not a story of heavy-handed policing but one of cack-handed journalism". Agreed. Unfortunately too often the case as headlines (and often content) are written to induce reaction and comment. ..... so I'm reacting and commenting :-) rook
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7:11pm Wed 16 Mar 11

pzazz says...

This incident was discussed today on the Jeremy Vine's show on radio 2. Peter Adams made some comments.
so if anyone would like to hear his version of events you can listen to it courtesy of " I player."
I don't believe a sign needs to be put up telling everyone that the daffodils are for all the users of the park to look at . For no one should need to be told that the area is not a "free for all market garden" where we can all go gathering flowers to take home. For one of the mums to actually admit she thought that picking 20 of the daffidils was ok, makes me really question her morals. According to her set of morals it would be perfectly fine on mothers day for all the residents to go down to the parks and pick all the daffodils.(no wonder flower shops are closing down!)
The children were not at fault.They thought they were being kind by giving their mums the flowers. Their giving natures should not be discouraged. They just needed to be told by their mums that other people like to see the flowers growing too ,and that however kind they thought they were being to their mums , they have to think of others too. Children do love to pick flowers and it is confusing for them when they probably may not have be told off for picking daisies in the past , but now they had moved onto bigger flowers the rules seem to have changed.
As for the police involvement, I believe that to be a little over the top.
Mr Adams is after all head of leisure services at the council, and so it would have been within his rights to have had a quiet word with parents, stressing the moral wrongs( rather than criminal ) of stripping the park of some of its springtime beauty which was for everyone to enjoy. Also, judging by the attitude of the mum involved who commented on this article ,he would need to emphasise the fact that she wasnt a special case and did not have more of right to pick flowers than any other residents- for if everyone had the rights she believed she had, the park would have no daffodils left.
I didnt really want to comment on this incident at a time when so much devastation is happening in Japan. For this does seem extremely trivial compared to all the suffering in Japan, and I hope we will all support them as as we are able to.
But there are two the aspects of this daffodil incident I found hard to take.
The first was the parents not being able to empathise with other park users, and therefore not showing caring moral guidance to their children.
The second aspect was the over the top reaction of Mr adams who in my opinion wasted police time. He had the authority as leader of leisure services to deal with this himself and should have done so. The police surely have more important matters to attend to- assaults , shop lifting etc.
etc
This incident was discussed today on the Jeremy Vine's show on radio 2. Peter Adams made some comments. so if anyone would like to hear his version of events you can listen to it courtesy of " I player." I don't believe a sign needs to be put up telling everyone that the daffodils are for all the users of the park to look at . For no one should need to be told that the area is not a "free for all market garden" where we can all go gathering flowers to take home. For one of the mums to actually admit she thought that picking 20 of the daffidils was ok, makes me really question her morals. According to her set of morals it would be perfectly fine on mothers day for all the residents to go down to the parks and pick all the daffodils.(no wonder flower shops are closing down!) The children were not at fault.They thought they were being kind by giving their mums the flowers. Their giving natures should not be discouraged. They just needed to be told by their mums that other people like to see the flowers growing too ,and that however kind they thought they were being to their mums , they have to think of others too. Children do love to pick flowers and it is confusing for them when they probably may not have be told off for picking daisies in the past , but now they had moved onto bigger flowers the rules seem to have changed. As for the police involvement, I believe that to be a little over the top. Mr Adams is after all head of leisure services at the council, and so it would have been within his rights to have had a quiet word with parents, stressing the moral wrongs( rather than criminal ) of stripping the park of some of its springtime beauty which was for everyone to enjoy. Also, judging by the attitude of the mum involved who commented on this article ,he would need to emphasise the fact that she wasnt a special case and did not have more of right to pick flowers than any other residents- for if everyone had the rights she believed she had, the park would have no daffodils left. I didnt really want to comment on this incident at a time when so much devastation is happening in Japan. For this does seem extremely trivial compared to all the suffering in Japan, and I hope we will all support them as as we are able to. But there are two the aspects of this daffodil incident I found hard to take. The first was the parents not being able to empathise with other park users, and therefore not showing caring moral guidance to their children. The second aspect was the over the top reaction of Mr adams who in my opinion wasted police time. He had the authority as leader of leisure services to deal with this himself and should have done so. The police surely have more important matters to attend to- assaults , shop lifting etc. etc pzazz
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9:51pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Pippins says...

ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH wrote:
Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??) a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased. b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers. Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers". Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK??? Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested. What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement? In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen! Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we?
what? you dont let your daughter walk on the pavement?

do you make her walk in the road then?

how odd.
[quote][p][bold]ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH[/bold] wrote: Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??) a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased. b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers. Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers". Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK??? Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested. What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement? In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen! Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we?[/p][/quote]what? you dont let your daughter walk on the pavement? do you make her walk in the road then? how odd. Pippins
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11:38pm Wed 16 Mar 11

Up with the partridge says...

Wimwam wrote:
There are so many 'typo's' in this report I think the author should perhaps be retrained urgently. !!!
Typo's - you mumpty where did that apostrophe come from in a story about daffodil's ?
[quote][p][bold]Wimwam[/bold] wrote: There are so many 'typo's' in this report I think the author should perhaps be retrained urgently. !!![/p][/quote]Typo's - you mumpty where did that apostrophe come from in a story about daffodil's ? Up with the partridge
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12:06am Thu 17 Mar 11

ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH says...

Pippins wrote:
ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH wrote:
Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??) a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased. b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers. Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers". Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK??? Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested. What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement? In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen! Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we?
what? you dont let your daughter walk on the pavement?

do you make her walk in the road then?

how odd.
She is 2 years young, she's in the safest possible place. Her stroller.

Let's remember, daffodils are from Mother-nature. A creation, a gift from God.

Some of those who are ranting and raving need to see the state of St. Clement's (sacred) churchyard figure out what's worse. That place is surely a cause for complain with all the trampled on flowers. I WISH they were "clean" enough for me to pick some for my daughter...
[quote][p][bold]Pippins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH[/bold] wrote: Wow, are you serious??? I just registered so I could comment on this absolutely ridiculous-ness. (And what a scenario that was, how many hoops did I have to jump through for that!??) a) We're originally from Florida, and my daughter loves and was always welcome to have a flower in her hand wherever she pleased. b) Similar situation, we walk thru St Clements churchyard constantly and what beautiful white and purple daffodil-like flowers have bloomed in there recently. However, when she asks me for one, or two, I tell her no!, many of them have already have been trampled on due to the excessive dogs running on and "going to the toilet on" these beautiful flowers. Signs have been posted recently, "Please do not tread on the flowers". Are you telling me, children have almost been arrested for taking flowers? And yet, people letting their dogs trample on flowers or people "just" walking on flowers is OK??? Maybe, no, definitely, people (who own the dogs who allow them to excrete ALL OVER THE PLACE on every sidewalk you walk along) should be arrested. What's worse? Children with flowers in their hands or dog poop on the pavement? In Florida, every sidewalk is pristine and I encourage my daughter to walk on it. Here? No way Jose! Ain't gonna happen! Children (almost) getting arrested for picking flowers? Come on already! Let's take out the drug dealers and prostitutes first shall we?[/p][/quote]what? you dont let your daughter walk on the pavement? do you make her walk in the road then? how odd.[/p][/quote]She is 2 years young, she's in the safest possible place. Her stroller. Let's remember, daffodils are from Mother-nature. A creation, a gift from God. Some of those who are ranting and raving need to see the state of St. Clement's (sacred) churchyard figure out what's worse. That place is surely a cause for complain with all the trampled on flowers. I WISH they were "clean" enough for me to pick some for my daughter... ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH
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1:02am Thu 17 Mar 11

ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH says...

Janeygirl wrote:
Florida is an awful place - this article IS NOT ABOUT whether there are not more important issues or not.
It is not about children picking flowers.
It is not about dogs 'excreting', neither is it about American terrorists' activities in the peace-loving Afghanistan.
It is about a mother being abusive when told to leave flowers in a public park, her indignation that the police were then called although unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs.
This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into car, because it is quite clear they are in danger. They are being groomed to star in 'Shameless' perhaps, when they are teens they will say we got pregnant because we did not see a sign telling us to use contraceptives.
Welcome to dumbed-down Britain.

Perhaps someone from Poole Social Services could comment on this.
"unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs.
This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into carE, because it is quite clear they are in danger."????????? This is a joke, right? And not a very funny one at that! Sounds like you need some "care" of your own.
[quote][p][bold]Janeygirl[/bold] wrote: Florida is an awful place - this article IS NOT ABOUT whether there are not more important issues or not. It is not about children picking flowers. It is not about dogs 'excreting', neither is it about American terrorists' activities in the peace-loving Afghanistan. It is about a mother being abusive when told to leave flowers in a public park, her indignation that the police were then called although unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs. This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into car, because it is quite clear they are in danger. They are being groomed to star in 'Shameless' perhaps, when they are teens they will say we got pregnant because we did not see a sign telling us to use contraceptives. Welcome to dumbed-down Britain. Perhaps someone from Poole Social Services could comment on this.[/p][/quote]"unfortunately she was not arrested and taken into custody, it is about her then saying she did not know it was wrong because there were no signs. This forum should be discussing why the mother is not on remand and why Poole Social Services have not yet taken the poor children into carE, because it is quite clear they are in danger."????????? This is a joke, right? And not a very funny one at that! Sounds like you need some "care" of your own. ILOVEBOURNEMOUTH
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8:51am Thu 17 Mar 11

The Liberal says...

Does Ms Errington also realise that it's illegal to pick flowers from other people's gardens or to vandalise/steal public/private property in general? I thought I ought to point it out, just in case she was unaware of this and it led to further parenting problems down the line…
Does Ms Errington also realise that it's illegal to pick flowers from other people's gardens or to vandalise/steal public/private property in general? I thought I ought to point it out, just in case she was unaware of this and it led to further parenting problems down the line… The Liberal
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10:14am Thu 17 Mar 11

pzazz says...

I would like to add my previous comment to say that Mr Adams isnt actually" head of leisure services ",but he is the councillor who represents leisure services and is so involved in decision making for that department. So in view of this I cannot understand , why with his authority over the parks, he didnt have a quiet word with the families himself. Why did two members of his family and the police have to get invloved when he was the man for the job!!
If his intention was not to draw attention to himself he went the wrong way about it!
I still believe some action had to be taken , due to fact that the parents needed some moral and legal points explained to them, so that they could teach their children some respect for others ( even if the childrens actions were not meant to be destructive , for they did think they were being kind to their mums)
However this action did not have to involve the police , for as i said before the man for the job was right on hand ... the councillor for leisure services.. Mr Peter Adams.
I would like to add my previous comment to say that Mr Adams isnt actually" head of leisure services ",but he is the councillor who represents leisure services and is so involved in decision making for that department. So in view of this I cannot understand , why with his authority over the parks, he didnt have a quiet word with the families himself. Why did two members of his family and the police have to get invloved when he was the man for the job!! If his intention was not to draw attention to himself he went the wrong way about it! I still believe some action had to be taken , due to fact that the parents needed some moral and legal points explained to them, so that they could teach their children some respect for others ( even if the childrens actions were not meant to be destructive , for they did think they were being kind to their mums) However this action did not have to involve the police , for as i said before the man for the job was right on hand ... the councillor for leisure services.. Mr Peter Adams. pzazz
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11:28am Thu 17 Mar 11

The Liberal says...

pzazz wrote:
I would like to add my previous comment to say that Mr Adams isnt actually" head of leisure services ",but he is the councillor who represents leisure services and is so involved in decision making for that department. So in view of this I cannot understand , why with his authority over the parks, he didnt have a quiet word with the families himself. Why did two members of his family and the police have to get invloved when he was the man for the job!!
If his intention was not to draw attention to himself he went the wrong way about it!
I still believe some action had to be taken , due to fact that the parents needed some moral and legal points explained to them, so that they could teach their children some respect for others ( even if the childrens actions were not meant to be destructive , for they did think they were being kind to their mums)
However this action did not have to involve the police , for as i said before the man for the job was right on hand ... the councillor for leisure services.. Mr Peter Adams.
Cllr Adams stated in a Radio 2 interview that a member of his family did have a word with the parents, who gave a negative response and weren't very polite.
[quote][p][bold]pzazz[/bold] wrote: I would like to add my previous comment to say that Mr Adams isnt actually" head of leisure services ",but he is the councillor who represents leisure services and is so involved in decision making for that department. So in view of this I cannot understand , why with his authority over the parks, he didnt have a quiet word with the families himself. Why did two members of his family and the police have to get invloved when he was the man for the job!! If his intention was not to draw attention to himself he went the wrong way about it! I still believe some action had to be taken , due to fact that the parents needed some moral and legal points explained to them, so that they could teach their children some respect for others ( even if the childrens actions were not meant to be destructive , for they did think they were being kind to their mums) However this action did not have to involve the police , for as i said before the man for the job was right on hand ... the councillor for leisure services.. Mr Peter Adams.[/p][/quote]Cllr Adams stated in a Radio 2 interview that a member of his family did have a word with the parents, who gave a negative response and weren't very polite. The Liberal
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6:11pm Thu 17 Mar 11

geoffro says...

can we put this story to bed now
can we put this story to bed now geoffro
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6:31pm Thu 17 Mar 11

symesma1 says...

I think the police & Councillor Adams are spot on.To some it may appear trivial, but we had was theft & vandalism of property, & the girls were of an age to know right from wrong.Hopefully the 'upset' they suffered will embed a useful lesson in life & teach them not to interfere with other peoples property.As for the parents not aware they were doing anything wrong, I find that almost too hard to believe. Perhaps they would be happy for people to walk into their garden & help themselves to flowers for which they had not paid!
I think the police & Councillor Adams are spot on.To some it may appear trivial, but we had was theft & vandalism of property, & the girls were of an age to know right from wrong.Hopefully the 'upset' they suffered will embed a useful lesson in life & teach them not to interfere with other peoples property.As for the parents not aware they were doing anything wrong, I find that almost too hard to believe. Perhaps they would be happy for people to walk into their garden & help themselves to flowers for which they had not paid! symesma1
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1:03pm Sat 19 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

Well done to Councillor Adams and the police. This selfish woman Jane Errington and her equally selfish partner Marc Marengo thought it was ok to steal 80 daffodils from the park so that others could not enjoy them. These flowers also cost the council money to grow, yet they were stealing them from everyone of us. These people are typical examples of the state our country is in. The funny thing is that they were furious about being told to move on by the police (ahh diddums) but did not seem to think that stealing from us all is wrong.
They are a blot on our country.
Well done to Councillor Adams and the police. This selfish woman Jane Errington and her equally selfish partner Marc Marengo thought it was ok to steal 80 daffodils from the park so that others could not enjoy them. These flowers also cost the council money to grow, yet they were stealing them from everyone of us. These people are typical examples of the state our country is in. The funny thing is that they were furious about being told to move on by the police (ahh diddums) but did not seem to think that stealing from us all is wrong. They are a blot on our country. Rightthinking
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1:16pm Sat 19 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

So Errington and her partner were fuming about being told off for stealing virtually every flower in the park. I woud have locked both the chavs up. I think they got off very lightly for stealing.
So Errington and her partner were fuming about being told off for stealing virtually every flower in the park. I woud have locked both the chavs up. I think they got off very lightly for stealing. Rightthinking
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12:22am Sun 20 Mar 11

DragonofWales says...

Jane Errington and her partner Marc Marengo along with the Echo who are the laughing stock of Poole are the only ones who can put an end to this. Jane Errington ,What does she really want to get out of this? a question the desperate Echo has failed to ask. Marc the foul mouthed but absent from the paper (We all know who wears the trousers in this relationship). Jane hope you got the Schools permission to take your daughter out of school for a photo session with the Echo.
DEAR EDITOR, THERE ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAN THIS TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE DAY AFTER DAY, UNLESS THE ECHO THINK THE PEOPLE OF POOLE CAN ONLY HANDLE STORIES LIKE THIS. THE END
Jane Errington and her partner Marc Marengo along with the Echo who are the laughing stock of Poole are the only ones who can put an end to this. Jane Errington ,What does she really want to get out of this? a question the desperate Echo has failed to ask. Marc the foul mouthed but absent from the paper (We all know who wears the trousers in this relationship). Jane hope you got the Schools permission to take your daughter out of school for a photo session with the Echo. DEAR EDITOR, THERE ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAN THIS TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE DAY AFTER DAY, UNLESS THE ECHO THINK THE PEOPLE OF POOLE CAN ONLY HANDLE STORIES LIKE THIS. THE END DragonofWales
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8:08am Sun 20 Mar 11

Juan_Kerr says...

They should have arrested the parents. Thieving pikeys.
They should have arrested the parents. Thieving pikeys. Juan_Kerr
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8:13pm Wed 23 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

LilliputMum1 wrote:
As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.
These thoughtless and irresponsible parents have given all of us parents a bad name. Shame on them and well done to the police and those who reported them. How can these two not think that this wanten vandalism was wrong. We all like to see flowers in the park and for parents to think that their kids clearing the park of them is correct shows bad and immoral judgement on their part. I would like to pick all the flowers from their garden and see how they feel about it. Why didn't they dig into their own pockets to buy flowers intead of using the public purse for freebies. Not knowing they were doing anything wrong picking 80 flowers from a park, then squeeling to the press because they thought there was nothing wrong with this thoughtless vandallism. It make me ashamed to be a parent and ashamed to be British. Get some standards you two parents.
[quote][p][bold]LilliputMum1[/bold] wrote: As one of the parents in question, I know that there were only 20 daffodils or so. We were watching our children, but they were also running freely among the flowers, a few yards away. They were enjoying themselves on a beautiful spring morning. When I said that "if someone had told us" - I was actually referring to the 'crime' - I didn't know that what they were doing was wrong. Perhaps better public signage or information would have helped here. I picked daffodils and daisies as a child and did not know that it was now illegal. Of course I would not have allowed this if I had known. Of course, had Councillor Adams approached us and informed us, we would have been aware wouldn't we - and of course we would have apologised and stopped the children.[/p][/quote]These thoughtless and irresponsible parents have given all of us parents a bad name. Shame on them and well done to the police and those who reported them. How can these two not think that this wanten vandalism was wrong. We all like to see flowers in the park and for parents to think that their kids clearing the park of them is correct shows bad and immoral judgement on their part. I would like to pick all the flowers from their garden and see how they feel about it. Why didn't they dig into their own pockets to buy flowers intead of using the public purse for freebies. Not knowing they were doing anything wrong picking 80 flowers from a park, then squeeling to the press because they thought there was nothing wrong with this thoughtless vandallism. It make me ashamed to be a parent and ashamed to be British. Get some standards you two parents. Rightthinking
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8:23pm Wed 23 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

rook wrote:
AmsterdamMan wrote: I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.
Yes, it belongs to ALL of us, including the councillors, not for one family to remove for their own enjoyment. Seeing all the details (assuming they are accurate) completely changed my opinion from the initial headline. I agree that picking a couple would be a nice thing for the children to do, and they probably thought it would please their parents to take them some nice flowers, but significantly changing the look of the park at the time the daffs are flowering is not really considering the feelings of the rest of us.
This is not public property to be freely vandalised. The mother even said her children were running about trampling the flowers, as if there was nothing wrong with that. Trampling flowers then stealing them. Is there anything else her and her partner want to own up to to us all about?
Unfortunately for her, the sneaky action of reporting it to the press has come back to haunt her. It's made her and her partner look so bad in the public eyes. I bet you won't do that again love.
[quote][p][bold]rook[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmsterdamMan[/bold] wrote: I forgot to remind you of another thing Adams...Council property is public property, it belongs to us, not you.[/p][/quote]Yes, it belongs to ALL of us, including the councillors, not for one family to remove for their own enjoyment. Seeing all the details (assuming they are accurate) completely changed my opinion from the initial headline. I agree that picking a couple would be a nice thing for the children to do, and they probably thought it would please their parents to take them some nice flowers, but significantly changing the look of the park at the time the daffs are flowering is not really considering the feelings of the rest of us.[/p][/quote]This is not public property to be freely vandalised. The mother even said her children were running about trampling the flowers, as if there was nothing wrong with that. Trampling flowers then stealing them. Is there anything else her and her partner want to own up to to us all about? Unfortunately for her, the sneaky action of reporting it to the press has come back to haunt her. It's made her and her partner look so bad in the public eyes. I bet you won't do that again love. Rightthinking
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9:25pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

This woman reminds me of the time a mother allowed her child to drop litter in the park. I picked it up and gave it back to the mother, who just laughed at me and dropped it again.
Well done Councillor Adams for being a good citizen, we all appreciate it.
This woman reminds me of the time a mother allowed her child to drop litter in the park. I picked it up and gave it back to the mother, who just laughed at me and dropped it again. Well done Councillor Adams for being a good citizen, we all appreciate it. Rightthinking
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9:28pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

Morrigan wrote:
What a JOKE!! The Police felt able to attend in this case where someone was reported for causing criminal damage, yet when I had my car vandalised just before Christmas and phoned the Police whilst it was still being done, they told me not go out and tackle the lads doing it and that they would attend within 48 hours!!!!! They never did come to my house, but phoned me the next day and took the details of the damage over the phone and said it would be recorded as an "act of anti-social behaviour", but that they couldn't commit the resources to do anything about it!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!!!
So Morrigan, you think that stealing is acceptible do you!!!!
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
[quote][p][bold]Morrigan[/bold] wrote: What a JOKE!! The Police felt able to attend in this case where someone was reported for causing criminal damage, yet when I had my car vandalised just before Christmas and phoned the Police whilst it was still being done, they told me not go out and tackle the lads doing it and that they would attend within 48 hours!!!!! They never did come to my house, but phoned me the next day and took the details of the damage over the phone and said it would be recorded as an "act of anti-social behaviour", but that they couldn't commit the resources to do anything about it!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!!![/p][/quote]So Morrigan, you think that stealing is acceptible do you!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!! Rightthinking
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9:30pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
I'm lost for words (and that doesn't happen very often!).
If you think this is an ok thing for Mothers to do BournemouthMum then you are a bad example to all parents.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: I'm lost for words (and that doesn't happen very often!).[/p][/quote]If you think this is an ok thing for Mothers to do BournemouthMum then you are a bad example to all parents. Rightthinking
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9:38pm Thu 24 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

kangman2012 wrote:
Phixer wrote: "Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention." So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit.
How can you possibly say that 3 young girls picking flowers, regardless of the amount, is showing that the parents have a lack of control and that Social Services should become involved. It's pathetic over-reaction to the already pathetic "nannying" laws that exist in this sad little country by so-called "officials" and people like you who like to stick their "fourpenneth" in as an afterthought that turn an extremely minor incident into something that is being blown out of all proportion - "don't complain if Social Services pay you a visit" - what an absolute idiot you are!
Kangman - you are the idiot here. If you have your way it seems stealing, vandalism, graffitti and litter dropping would be the norm. You seem to have no more common sense than these parents. You are being both thoughtless and selfish. Phixer I totally agree with you, well said.
[quote][p][bold]kangman2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Mrs Errington refuted the suggestion they encouraged the flower picking and said they would have stopped the girls taking them if someone had brought it to their attention." So, you admit to not being in control in a public place of three children aged 4, 6 & 10. Don't complain if social services pay you a visit.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly say that 3 young girls picking flowers, regardless of the amount, is showing that the parents have a lack of control and that Social Services should become involved. It's pathetic over-reaction to the already pathetic "nannying" laws that exist in this sad little country by so-called "officials" and people like you who like to stick their "fourpenneth" in as an afterthought that turn an extremely minor incident into something that is being blown out of all proportion - "don't complain if Social Services pay you a visit" - what an absolute idiot you are![/p][/quote]Kangman - you are the idiot here. If you have your way it seems stealing, vandalism, graffitti and litter dropping would be the norm. You seem to have no more common sense than these parents. You are being both thoughtless and selfish. Phixer I totally agree with you, well said. Rightthinking
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4:29pm Sat 26 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

DragonofWales wrote:
Jane Errington and her partner Marc Marengo along with the Echo who are the laughing stock of Poole are the only ones who can put an end to this. Jane Errington ,What does she really want to get out of this? a question the desperate Echo has failed to ask. Marc the foul mouthed but absent from the paper (We all know who wears the trousers in this relationship). Jane hope you got the Schools permission to take your daughter out of school for a photo session with the Echo. DEAR EDITOR, THERE ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAN THIS TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE DAY AFTER DAY, UNLESS THE ECHO THINK THE PEOPLE OF POOLE CAN ONLY HANDLE STORIES LIKE THIS. THE END
Well said! You speak for all of us DragonofWales. You made me laugh too (who wears the trouser in this relationship ... lol!). Nice one. As to this silly couple of parents ... GROW UP!!!!
[quote][p][bold]DragonofWales[/bold] wrote: Jane Errington and her partner Marc Marengo along with the Echo who are the laughing stock of Poole are the only ones who can put an end to this. Jane Errington ,What does she really want to get out of this? a question the desperate Echo has failed to ask. Marc the foul mouthed but absent from the paper (We all know who wears the trousers in this relationship). Jane hope you got the Schools permission to take your daughter out of school for a photo session with the Echo. DEAR EDITOR, THERE ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAN THIS TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE DAY AFTER DAY, UNLESS THE ECHO THINK THE PEOPLE OF POOLE CAN ONLY HANDLE STORIES LIKE THIS. THE END[/p][/quote]Well said! You speak for all of us DragonofWales. You made me laugh too (who wears the trouser in this relationship ... lol!). Nice one. As to this silly couple of parents ... GROW UP!!!! Rightthinking
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5:35pm Sat 26 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

The Echo and Jane Errington have definitely ended up with alot of egg on their faces for this. I don't feel sorry for them. They deserve every bit of their embarrassment. Well done to those who reported her and to the police. Errongton should feel lucky she got off very lightly. The Echo should hold it's head in shame for reporting and therefore supporting this womans complaint.
The Echo and Jane Errington have definitely ended up with alot of egg on their faces for this. I don't feel sorry for them. They deserve every bit of their embarrassment. Well done to those who reported her and to the police. Errongton should feel lucky she got off very lightly. The Echo should hold it's head in shame for reporting and therefore supporting this womans complaint. Rightthinking
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10:35pm Sat 26 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

LoulouBlue wrote:
I took my children to Kingston Lacey, last month to enjoy the snowdrops, my children were skipping through the rock garden ahead of me , then as I rounded a corner, to my horror my son had picked 5 snowdrops and presented them to me as proud as could be- I explained to him that we cannot pick the snowdrops as they are there for everyone to enjoy, he looked totally crestfallen, but excepted what he had done was wrong, even though it was with good intent to cheer me up – So, I know how this happens. As for you Cllr ‘Sanctimonious’ Adams – surely just pointing it out to the parent’s that what their children were doing was wrong, would have been suffice. I will remember this come May, you have just lost my vote.
LoulouBlue
Really! Who cares about your vote. Many of us decent law abiding parents will be voting for the good councillor, we are all proud of him.
[quote][p][bold]LoulouBlue[/bold] wrote: I took my children to Kingston Lacey, last month to enjoy the snowdrops, my children were skipping through the rock garden ahead of me , then as I rounded a corner, to my horror my son had picked 5 snowdrops and presented them to me as proud as could be- I explained to him that we cannot pick the snowdrops as they are there for everyone to enjoy, he looked totally crestfallen, but excepted what he had done was wrong, even though it was with good intent to cheer me up – So, I know how this happens. As for you Cllr ‘Sanctimonious’ Adams – surely just pointing it out to the parent’s that what their children were doing was wrong, would have been suffice. I will remember this come May, you have just lost my vote.[/p][/quote]LoulouBlue Really! Who cares about your vote. Many of us decent law abiding parents will be voting for the good councillor, we are all proud of him. Rightthinking
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10:49pm Sat 26 Mar 11

VandalsKeepOut says...

Louise-Bournemouth wrote:
Oh dear lord, I just remembered! The other day, myself and a few friends did our own community litter pick removing litter that did not belong to us from a council park! We certainly picked up over 80 items, we actually picked up 10 bags of litter. When shall I expect the police or council to have a word with me for taking something that was not mine!? I wait with baited breath... 'ding dong'!
Silly woman. I certainly don't think with that ridiculous view you have ever done any litter picking in your life ... you can't see the wood from the trees love
[quote][p][bold]Louise-Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: Oh dear lord, I just remembered! The other day, myself and a few friends did our own community litter pick removing litter that did not belong to us from a council park! We certainly picked up over 80 items, we actually picked up 10 bags of litter. When shall I expect the police or council to have a word with me for taking something that was not mine!? I wait with baited breath... 'ding dong'![/p][/quote]Silly woman. I certainly don't think with that ridiculous view you have ever done any litter picking in your life ... you can't see the wood from the trees love VandalsKeepOut
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10:54pm Sat 26 Mar 11

VandalsKeepOut says...

When I was a child my mother used to tell me off for picking just one flower from a public park. How right she was and we as parents instill this into our children too. That it's stealing from the public. I would like to say to this mother that our children would love to see flowers in the park too, so we won't be going to your park becuse obviously there aren't any there for us to see now and our children would be upset. Thanks very much.
When I was a child my mother used to tell me off for picking just one flower from a public park. How right she was and we as parents instill this into our children too. That it's stealing from the public. I would like to say to this mother that our children would love to see flowers in the park too, so we won't be going to your park becuse obviously there aren't any there for us to see now and our children would be upset. Thanks very much. VandalsKeepOut
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11:00pm Sat 26 Mar 11

VandalsKeepOut says...

You can tell who's side the Echo's James Morton was on through his bias choice of words. I would like to remind the Echo (not a paper I read) that this was stealing, and if you approve of stealing from public areas then you deserve the low reputation that you have in Bournemouth. Hardly a pillar of our community are you. More urban rag, then respected local newspaper.
You can tell who's side the Echo's James Morton was on through his bias choice of words. I would like to remind the Echo (not a paper I read) that this was stealing, and if you approve of stealing from public areas then you deserve the low reputation that you have in Bournemouth. Hardly a pillar of our community are you. More urban rag, then respected local newspaper. VandalsKeepOut
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9:35am Sun 27 Mar 11

VandalsKeepOut says...

Gooby wrote:
Bournefre wrote: I meant you're in no position to criticise when you're just throwing insults around. Whether you're stealing 1 flower or 1000 is theft in either case, but it's easier to turn a blind eye to someone taking 1 Same with blades of grass - "steal" one and nobody would bat an eyelid, but turning up in a pickup and trying to take the whole lot is not on. Where does it say the children were picking the flowers for their mother? security word: work-open
Simply answer the question. When a child presents you with a flower that has been picked for you, are you going to insist that the police charges the child with theft? I am very happy to insult someone who believes that the police should hve been used in this way. I will start a list here; Petty, Small minded, Pointless Disgrace to humanity ... I have hundreds more. Lets look at the rest of the laws that are used against citizens. There was a heckler at a Labour conference that was charged with "terrorism". It is the "law" according to you, that is enough. Not so long ago a motorist was prosecuted for being a good samaritain and signaling other motorists that there was a speed trap. It was "the law" so of course just and right. Think for yourself and question authority. I know for a fact that it will take a very long time for this thought to have any effect because you are still blissfully ignorant of all posters on this forum taking the micky out of you with your "security word" error. Funny but it seems that many ideas pass very far over your head. Please do not avoid the question at the top of my post. I am facinated to know your answer. Security word: clueless-numpty
Gooby, you seem to think that people can **** on law abiding citizens. If you have your way nobody would care about the world we live in. Similar to the way that this mother thinks. It might be worthwhile for you to think before you speak. Basically this way of thinking by you is of an uncaring person. I would add thoughtless and selfish too. Bournefre you are totally correct in what you say, if only all citizens were like you.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: I meant you're in no position to criticise when you're just throwing insults around. Whether you're stealing 1 flower or 1000 is theft in either case, but it's easier to turn a blind eye to someone taking 1 Same with blades of grass - "steal" one and nobody would bat an eyelid, but turning up in a pickup and trying to take the whole lot is not on. Where does it say the children were picking the flowers for their mother? security word: work-open[/p][/quote]Simply answer the question. When a child presents you with a flower that has been picked for you, are you going to insist that the police charges the child with theft? I am very happy to insult someone who believes that the police should hve been used in this way. I will start a list here; Petty, Small minded, Pointless Disgrace to humanity ... I have hundreds more. Lets look at the rest of the laws that are used against citizens. There was a heckler at a Labour conference that was charged with "terrorism". It is the "law" according to you, that is enough. Not so long ago a motorist was prosecuted for being a good samaritain and signaling other motorists that there was a speed trap. It was "the law" so of course just and right. Think for yourself and question authority. I know for a fact that it will take a very long time for this thought to have any effect because you are still blissfully ignorant of all posters on this forum taking the micky out of you with your "security word" error. Funny but it seems that many ideas pass very far over your head. Please do not avoid the question at the top of my post. I am facinated to know your answer. Security word: clueless-numpty[/p][/quote]Gooby, you seem to think that people can **** on law abiding citizens. If you have your way nobody would care about the world we live in. Similar to the way that this mother thinks. It might be worthwhile for you to think before you speak. Basically this way of thinking by you is of an uncaring person. I would add thoughtless and selfish too. Bournefre you are totally correct in what you say, if only all citizens were like you. VandalsKeepOut
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9:43am Sun 27 Mar 11

VandalsKeepOut says...

Do we have to put up with a park full of ugly warning signs all because of people like Errington and because she doesn't seem to understand the basics of what's right and what's wrong (does she have signs in her home saying, 'turn off the tap'). Really, do we have to have these types of things explained on a sign? People should be trusted to know. But I really had to laugh when some half brained person on here (no, not Mrs Errington this time) said that ticking them off for it was, wait for it .... excessive. OMG!
Do we have to put up with a park full of ugly warning signs all because of people like Errington and because she doesn't seem to understand the basics of what's right and what's wrong (does she have signs in her home saying, 'turn off the tap'). Really, do we have to have these types of things explained on a sign? People should be trusted to know. But I really had to laugh when some half brained person on here (no, not Mrs Errington this time) said that ticking them off for it was, wait for it .... excessive. OMG! VandalsKeepOut
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8:18pm Wed 30 Mar 11

Rightthinking says...

I've just been reading about those other vandals who chopped down the Joseph of Arimathea tree in Glastonbury so that just a six inch stump was left.
Do we really have to put up with selfish vandals who destroy areas of great beauty for their own pleasure, areas that we all wish to enjoy.
I've just been reading about those other vandals who chopped down the Joseph of Arimathea tree in Glastonbury so that just a six inch stump was left. Do we really have to put up with selfish vandals who destroy areas of great beauty for their own pleasure, areas that we all wish to enjoy. Rightthinking
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