Cricket banned at Kinson Manor in Bournemouth

CRICKET has been banned at a Bournemouth pitch because stray balls are considered a danger to the public.

Zurich Insurance will not cover the council for play at Kinson Manor on The Broadway.

The home club, the Suttoners, must move to an alternative ground – Canford Arena, Strouden Park or Slades Farm.

Derek Hopkins, 63, who founded the team in 1967, said: “We share the concerns – we are not callous.

“But cricket has been played here since World War 2 and I have not known anyone get injured.

“We get on well with the neighbours. There’s about three that don’t back us and there must be more than 100.”

The club’s insurance pays for broken windows but the insurers are concerned about injuries to people.

Richard Rigler, the club chairman, said: “The council built a fence last year at one end and the number of balls going over went from 42, to about 7 or 8.

“The council reckon it would be £120,000 to put a fence up all the way around.”

He said the high quality facilities and club tradition meant the team was reluctant to move.

He added: “The Queen’s speech was all about sport facilities for youngsters. There’s a couple of youngsters here almost in tears.”

The Suttoners will have three to four sides next season, and a youth team called the Colts. There is also a football team.

The council said potential fence prices had not been determined and that Zurich had not confirmed it would insure the site even if a fence was built.

Andy McDonald, the parks manager, said the council considered all possibilities but decided a fence would not reduce the risk to an acceptable level.

“As the landlord we take risk management very seriously, and are not prepared to risk a cricket ball causing a serious injury,” he said.

Bournemouth West MP Conor Burns said he hoped the council would take a second look.

He said: “The club caters for a lot of young people from one of the more challenging parts of Bournemouth and has a good community scheme.”

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5:11pm Thu 27 Jan 11

Jim_Springbourne says...

Find another insurer?

Clubs like this must not be allowed to die.. or where will our Ashes heroes of 2030 come from?
Find another insurer? Clubs like this must not be allowed to die.. or where will our Ashes heroes of 2030 come from? Jim_Springbourne
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5:23pm Thu 27 Jan 11

a.g.o.g. says...

Surely, as with golf, each player can purchase a personal policy that indemnifies themselves agains the cost of catastrophe as does any car insurance policy for much greater cover still.
Surely, as with golf, each player can purchase a personal policy that indemnifies themselves agains the cost of catastrophe as does any car insurance policy for much greater cover still. a.g.o.g.
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5:32pm Thu 27 Jan 11

ajt1 says...

Maybe its a ploy by the council to get the site for re-development?

"Andy McDonald, the parks manager, said the council considered all possibilities but decided a fence would not reduce the risk to an acceptable level."

What is an acceptable level?
Maybe its a ploy by the council to get the site for re-development? "Andy McDonald, the parks manager, said the council considered all possibilities but decided a fence would not reduce the risk to an acceptable level." What is an acceptable level? ajt1
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5:52pm Thu 27 Jan 11

Wot No Cricket says...

I'm assuming the parks manager has figures to back up his assumption that the risk is now at an unacceptable level.

Richard Rigler, the club chairman, said: “The council built a fence last year at one end and the number of balls going over went from 42, to about 7 or 8.

Were many balls previously hit over the fence - as cricket has been played there since WW2.

If so, I think the fence built last year appears to have done the trick. I'm positive other local grounds would have had the odd stray cricket ball - notably Colehill, Winton Rec.

Was the risk acceptable in all the other years if say 42 balls went over each year between say 2000 and 2009
I'm assuming the parks manager has figures to back up his assumption that the risk is now at an unacceptable level. Richard Rigler, the club chairman, said: “The council built a fence last year at one end and the number of balls going over went from 42, to about 7 or 8. Were many balls previously hit over the fence - as cricket has been played there since WW2. If so, I think the fence built last year appears to have done the trick. I'm positive other local grounds would have had the odd stray cricket ball - notably Colehill, Winton Rec. Was the risk acceptable in all the other years if say 42 balls went over each year between say 2000 and 2009 Wot No Cricket
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6:19pm Thu 27 Jan 11

tomkatz says...

Yet another example of the U.K. going mad. Perhaps people should consider not using too rich Zurich, including B'th Council. Or do they subscribe to the Cons kitty? How dare they try to destroy any sports club. Where are we going to find the sports stars of the future if there is nowhere for them to play. And consider the alternative...boys and girls getting into trouble because they have nothing to do. Interesting security word : yard-club.Pe rhaps they want the kids to play in their back yards!
Yet another example of the U.K. going mad. Perhaps people should consider not using too rich Zurich, including B'th Council. Or do they subscribe to the Cons kitty? How dare they try to destroy any sports club. Where are we going to find the sports stars of the future if there is nowhere for them to play. And consider the alternative...boys and girls getting into trouble because they have nothing to do. Interesting security word : yard-club.Pe rhaps they want the kids to play in their back yards! tomkatz
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6:19pm Thu 27 Jan 11

tomkatz says...

Yet another example of the U.K. going mad. Perhaps people should consider not using too rich Zurich, including B'th Council. Or do they subscribe to the Cons kitty? How dare they try to destroy any sports club. Where are we going to find the sports stars of the future if there is nowhere for them to play. And consider the alternative...boys and girls getting into trouble because they have nothing to do. Interesting security word : yard-club.Pe rhaps they want the kids to play in their back yards!
Yet another example of the U.K. going mad. Perhaps people should consider not using too rich Zurich, including B'th Council. Or do they subscribe to the Cons kitty? How dare they try to destroy any sports club. Where are we going to find the sports stars of the future if there is nowhere for them to play. And consider the alternative...boys and girls getting into trouble because they have nothing to do. Interesting security word : yard-club.Pe rhaps they want the kids to play in their back yards! tomkatz
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6:35pm Thu 27 Jan 11

bourne free says...

they've put the imax on the wimbourne cricket pitch - what a mess ?
they've put the imax on the wimbourne cricket pitch - what a mess ? bourne free
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6:37pm Thu 27 Jan 11

winton50 says...

This is all a ploy to get the site for redevelopment.

This site will be allowed to go to rack and ruin until the locals are screaming for 'something to be done'

The council will at that time then 'reluctantly' accept an offer for it to be developed for housing.

Don't believe me? Have a look down the road a way and ask yourself where Keeble came from
This is all a ploy to get the site for redevelopment. This site will be allowed to go to rack and ruin until the locals are screaming for 'something to be done' The council will at that time then 'reluctantly' accept an offer for it to be developed for housing. Don't believe me? Have a look down the road a way and ask yourself where Keeble came from winton50
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6:44pm Thu 27 Jan 11

TFan says...

Zurich Insurance has been local government's insurer of choice for many many years. I expect this decision has more to do with the compensation culture than anything else. "Compo" and "Health & Safety" are to blame. Someone has to be at fault, there can never be just an accident. It's ridiculous and I feel very sorry for the members of this cricket club.
Zurich Insurance has been local government's insurer of choice for many many years. I expect this decision has more to do with the compensation culture than anything else. "Compo" and "Health & Safety" are to blame. Someone has to be at fault, there can never be just an accident. It's ridiculous and I feel very sorry for the members of this cricket club. TFan
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6:59pm Thu 27 Jan 11

Tezza1965 says...

There's no doubt in my mind that the Council are planning to oust the club from their ground for one reason and one reason only: to sell it off for re-development.
Who cares that Suttoners are one of the top cubs in the area?
Who cares about where the teams will play this season?
Who cares about the excellent youth set up they have?
NOT BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL THAT'S FOR SURE!
The late Andy Fitzjohn would have been distraught at the possible loss of his beloved Kinson Manor to the greed driven morons infesting the Town Hall.
There's no doubt in my mind that the Council are planning to oust the club from their ground for one reason and one reason only: to sell it off for re-development. Who cares that Suttoners are one of the top cubs in the area? Who cares about where the teams will play this season? Who cares about the excellent youth set up they have? NOT BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL THAT'S FOR SURE! The late Andy Fitzjohn would have been distraught at the possible loss of his beloved Kinson Manor to the greed driven morons infesting the Town Hall. Tezza1965
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7:14pm Thu 27 Jan 11

Pro bono publico says...

Absurd! Political correctness gone mad!
Absurd! Political correctness gone mad! Pro bono publico
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9:08pm Thu 27 Jan 11

ruprecht says...

This is an absolute disgrace! The council should be promoting sport and the use of public open space.


Why not find another insurer? I have not doubt that LV=, a local company and sponsor of the Cricket County Championship no less, would not want to hinder the progress of grass roots cricket!!
This is an absolute disgrace! The council should be promoting sport and the use of public open space. Why not find another insurer? I have not doubt that LV=, a local company and sponsor of the Cricket County Championship no less, would not want to hinder the progress of grass roots cricket!! ruprecht
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9:26pm Thu 27 Jan 11

lazybeach says...

This is Bmth council all over,they must not be allowed to get away with this.Suttoners are a big Cricket club with lots of youngsters coming through the ranks.What will happen to Kinson Manor if there is no cricket.P.C. world gone mad again.
This is Bmth council all over,they must not be allowed to get away with this.Suttoners are a big Cricket club with lots of youngsters coming through the ranks.What will happen to Kinson Manor if there is no cricket.P.C. world gone mad again. lazybeach
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11:36pm Thu 27 Jan 11

TheDistrict says...

Typical of Mr. Charon and his Tory led Cllrs. My family and relatives have played on these fields for years, as they have at others around the conurbations. All have the same problems when it comes to the high flying balls, but they are not (at this time) having this problem. It is a ploy to oust them out for development, and Council gaining projects. Just like other open spaces and parks around the town.
Typical of Mr. Charon and his Tory led Cllrs. My family and relatives have played on these fields for years, as they have at others around the conurbations. All have the same problems when it comes to the high flying balls, but they are not (at this time) having this problem. It is a ploy to oust them out for development, and Council gaining projects. Just like other open spaces and parks around the town. TheDistrict
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7:52am Fri 28 Jan 11

Rally says...

Andy McDonald, the parks manager says, “As the landlord we take risk management very seriously, and are not prepared to risk a cricket ball causing a serious injury,”
For goodness sake, man, cricket balls have been hurtling about the area fairly harmlessly since WWII - that's more than 60 years without serious injury.
Surely, what the illustrious Mr McDonald is actually saying is that as a result of the burgeoning 'Compensation Culture' Bournemouth Council is terrified that they might be sued if somebody is hit by a cricket ball at this ground.
It's okay for the Council to waste millions of pounds on 'attractions' most folks in Bournemouth do not want - Reef, Imax et al), but it is not okay to have a facility that is of benefit to many people - young and old - but might, just might, lead to some greedy, selfish person suing the Council for a few thousand pounds.
As for Bournemouth-based LV, I have two insurance policies with them, but I will not be renewing them - and I hate cricket!
Andy McDonald, the parks manager says, “As the landlord we take risk management very seriously, and are not prepared to risk a cricket ball causing a serious injury,” For goodness sake, man, cricket balls have been hurtling about the area fairly harmlessly since WWII - that's more than 60 years without serious injury. Surely, what the illustrious Mr McDonald is actually saying is that as a result of the burgeoning 'Compensation Culture' Bournemouth Council is terrified that they might be sued if somebody is hit by a cricket ball at this ground. It's okay for the Council to waste millions of pounds on 'attractions' most folks in Bournemouth do not want - Reef, Imax et al), but it is not okay to have a facility that is of benefit to many people - young and old - but might, just might, lead to some greedy, selfish person suing the Council for a few thousand pounds. As for Bournemouth-based LV, I have two insurance policies with them, but I will not be renewing them - and I hate cricket! Rally
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9:40am Fri 28 Jan 11

skiman says...

Come on you cricketers - get together as a force & show this Council that you can't be pushed about like this. Yet another Council error maybe.
Come on you cricketers - get together as a force & show this Council that you can't be pushed about like this. Yet another Council error maybe. skiman
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9:46am Fri 28 Jan 11

Upkeep says...

winton50 wrote:
This is all a ploy to get the site for redevelopment.

This site will be allowed to go to rack and ruin until the locals are screaming for 'something to be done'

The council will at that time then 'reluctantly' accept an offer for it to be developed for housing.

Don't believe me? Have a look down the road a way and ask yourself where Keeble came from
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]winton50[/bold] wrote: This is all a ploy to get the site for redevelopment. This site will be allowed to go to rack and ruin until the locals are screaming for 'something to be done' The council will at that time then 'reluctantly' accept an offer for it to be developed for housing. Don't believe me? Have a look down the road a way and ask yourself where Keeble came from[/p][/quote]Spot on. Upkeep
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10:38am Fri 28 Jan 11

a.g.o.g. says...

Sell the story to a National Tabloid maybe....
Sell the story to a National Tabloid maybe.... a.g.o.g.
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10:53am Fri 28 Jan 11

captainscott says...

Dear Bournemouth Council

In these times of savings and cut backs I can put up a fence for you for £100,000 thats a saving of £20,000 please call me 07590 690124
Dear Bournemouth Council In these times of savings and cut backs I can put up a fence for you for £100,000 thats a saving of £20,000 please call me 07590 690124 captainscott
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5:56pm Fri 28 Jan 11

ljw1414 says...

An absolute disgrace ,the council decides and thats it ??? Game over ..nice plot for housing and money in the council pot ,we can all see whats coming .Why for once can they not listen to the Suttoners Club and see how much time ,energy,money etc has been put into the upkeep and development of a successful sports club ,that is open to all ages .We are supposed to be encouraging the youth into sport ! I wonder are the Council going to reimburse the club for the improvements made by the members ..doubt it and are they going to move them to another ground with the same facilities etc ...ooh is that a pig i see flying past ??!!
An absolute disgrace ,the council decides and thats it ??? Game over ..nice plot for housing and money in the council pot ,we can all see whats coming .Why for once can they not listen to the Suttoners Club and see how much time ,energy,money etc has been put into the upkeep and development of a successful sports club ,that is open to all ages .We are supposed to be encouraging the youth into sport ! I wonder are the Council going to reimburse the club for the improvements made by the members ..doubt it and are they going to move them to another ground with the same facilities etc ...ooh is that a pig i see flying past ??!! ljw1414
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7:24pm Fri 28 Jan 11

WIGGINSv says...

Dear, oh dear, where did it all go wrong?
Dear, oh dear, where did it all go wrong? WIGGINSv
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9:09pm Fri 28 Jan 11

sammy326 says...

right first of i have been going to the manor longer than i can remeber and i know for a fact no one wants to leave it, there has to be a way round this stupid money problem and we will sort it and we are NOT going to move its are home ground and thats the way its gunna stay.
right first of i have been going to the manor longer than i can remeber and i know for a fact no one wants to leave it, there has to be a way round this stupid money problem and we will sort it and we are NOT going to move its are home ground and thats the way its gunna stay. sammy326
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9:13pm Fri 28 Jan 11

Veryhappyincomer says...

Silly question, but instead of a fence, which you can't see through, how about erecting a net, which you can see through and should be a lot cheaper? After all, cricketers practice in nets, so they should be able to stop a cricket ball. And it has been done before at golf courses - there is a huge net next to the M27 to stop golf balls interfering with traffic.
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If Zurich are the Councils insurer then I would assume that there is some sort of corporate policy, instead of individual policies for each facility. If this is the case then the whole point of a corporate policy is that the cost of higher risk activities is effectively subsidised by the lower risk ones. This is why people with BUPA cover through work do not have to have a medical and get cover for a standard rate. Have Zurich even been asked if they will provide cover, or is someone at the Council just assuming that this is the case? And if Zurich won't cover this on a corporate policy - change insurers as they are taking the Council for a ride.
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As for £120k for a fence, are they using the same people who charged £17k for a hedge? I believe it is what is colloqually referred to as extracting the urine.
Silly question, but instead of a fence, which you can't see through, how about erecting a net, which you can see through and should be a lot cheaper? After all, cricketers practice in nets, so they should be able to stop a cricket ball. And it has been done before at golf courses - there is a huge net next to the M27 to stop golf balls interfering with traffic. . If Zurich are the Councils insurer then I would assume that there is some sort of corporate policy, instead of individual policies for each facility. If this is the case then the whole point of a corporate policy is that the cost of higher risk activities is effectively subsidised by the lower risk ones. This is why people with BUPA cover through work do not have to have a medical and get cover for a standard rate. Have Zurich even been asked if they will provide cover, or is someone at the Council just assuming that this is the case? And if Zurich won't cover this on a corporate policy - change insurers as they are taking the Council for a ride. . As for £120k for a fence, are they using the same people who charged £17k for a hedge? I believe it is what is colloqually referred to as extracting the urine. Veryhappyincomer
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10:03pm Fri 28 Jan 11

lesley01greyhound says...

I am truly heartened by the comments read on this page. It seems that people are well and truly on the side of the cricketers and Bournemouth Council are, as usual 'the bad guys', (nothing new there then). They (the Council) are quite happy to waste tax payers money (ie; the fence), should the cricket come to an end and it be no more use, and use health & safety as the usual 'get out clause' for whatever they intend to use the land for next, (doesn't take much imagination does it, see above). I have lived on the edge of the Manor, Russel Road side, for nearly 18 years and the cricket, or indeed the football, has ever proved a problem to me, either with balls or anything else. (Please bear in mind the fence on our side of the Manor has never been heightened and has had minimum repair), unlike Kinson Park Road. The new and heightened fence on the Kinson Park Road side was put up in a state of panic (by the Council) with no thought put in to it whatsoever due to 1 complaint. When will the Council realise that they should leave things be and let a truly English tradition, playing cricket, carry on as it has been for all these years, with many local people, young and not so young! enjoying themselves (and keeing fit) with no personal injury claims to date. So come on Bournemouth Council you can see how much support the cricketers have, get a grip and stop trying to ruin everything with your totally ridiculous over the top 'PC' attitude which no-one either wants or agrees with.
I am truly heartened by the comments read on this page. It seems that people are well and truly on the side of the cricketers and Bournemouth Council are, as usual 'the bad guys', (nothing new there then). They (the Council) are quite happy to waste tax payers money (ie; the fence), should the cricket come to an end and it be no more use, and use health & safety as the usual 'get out clause' for whatever they intend to use the land for next, (doesn't take much imagination does it, see above). I have lived on the edge of the Manor, Russel Road side, for nearly 18 years and the cricket, or indeed the football, has ever proved a problem to me, either with balls or anything else. (Please bear in mind the fence on our side of the Manor has never been heightened and has had minimum repair), unlike Kinson Park Road. The new and heightened fence on the Kinson Park Road side was put up in a state of panic (by the Council) with no thought put in to it whatsoever due to 1 complaint. When will the Council realise that they should leave things be and let a truly English tradition, playing cricket, carry on as it has been for all these years, with many local people, young and not so young! enjoying themselves (and keeing fit) with no personal injury claims to date. So come on Bournemouth Council you can see how much support the cricketers have, get a grip and stop trying to ruin everything with your totally ridiculous over the top 'PC' attitude which no-one either wants or agrees with. lesley01greyhound
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10:31pm Fri 28 Jan 11

Benniestewart says...

It maybe a little bit of a trek but what about Kings Park already popular for Cricketers and you can always enjoy coffee/teas in the local cafe plenty of parking and seating if you want to bring your family and friends
Kings Park is a well used well loved Park
you wont be short of spectators or support
It maybe a little bit of a trek but what about Kings Park already popular for Cricketers and you can always enjoy coffee/teas in the local cafe plenty of parking and seating if you want to bring your family and friends Kings Park is a well used well loved Park you wont be short of spectators or support Benniestewart
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12:02am Sat 29 Jan 11

ljw1414 says...

Benniestewart wrote:
It maybe a little bit of a trek but what about Kings Park already popular for Cricketers and you can always enjoy coffee/teas in the local cafe plenty of parking and seating if you want to bring your family and friends Kings Park is a well used well loved Park you wont be short of spectators or support
good idea but slightly missing the point Suttoners whole identity would be lost in Kings Park.....and anyway how much would a fence cost there ,can you imagine the council erecting an enormous fence all up Ashley Rd to protect a passer by from a stray cricket ball...! they are not short on spectators now and the teas /coffee are fine at the Manor and long may they stay that way ,sorry benniestewart !
[quote][p][bold]Benniestewart[/bold] wrote: It maybe a little bit of a trek but what about Kings Park already popular for Cricketers and you can always enjoy coffee/teas in the local cafe plenty of parking and seating if you want to bring your family and friends Kings Park is a well used well loved Park you wont be short of spectators or support[/p][/quote]good idea but slightly missing the point Suttoners whole identity would be lost in Kings Park.....and anyway how much would a fence cost there ,can you imagine the council erecting an enormous fence all up Ashley Rd to protect a passer by from a stray cricket ball...! they are not short on spectators now and the teas /coffee are fine at the Manor and long may they stay that way ,sorry benniestewart ! ljw1414
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12:27pm Wed 2 Feb 11

some one who cares! says...

I presume Zurich are the insurers for accidents to the public whilst walking on the Promenade.Accidents are 100% more likely to happen to walkers using the prom. due to cyclists than ever would be caused by cricketers at Kinson Manor!If Zurich can insure the Council against cyclists causing accidents on a designated walkway surely they can do the same for cricketers using a cricket field.
I presume Zurich are the insurers for accidents to the public whilst walking on the Promenade.Accidents are 100% more likely to happen to walkers using the prom. due to cyclists than ever would be caused by cricketers at Kinson Manor!If Zurich can insure the Council against cyclists causing accidents on a designated walkway surely they can do the same for cricketers using a cricket field. some one who cares!
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