Pizza Hut in apology to black AFCB players over bill row

Bournemouth Echo: Pizza Hut in apology to black to AFCB players over bill row Pizza Hut in apology to black to AFCB players over bill row

A RESTAURANT chain has apologised to a group of black players from AFC Bournemouth who were told they would have to pay for their food before eating.

The players say their group was singled out in a branch of Pizza Hut and told they would have to pay first because of “the way you look”.

Half a dozen players had gone to Pizza Hut in Castle Lane West for a late lunch after a training session was cancelled because of the weather.

One of them, Anton Robinson, told the Daily Echo: “We ordered our food. The manager came up with the bill and said: ‘Would you mind paying first?’ “We asked if that was the policy and he said ‘no’. When we asked why he’d asked us, he said: ‘It’s the way you look.’ “We had a good idea what he was trying to get at. A group of white kids came in straight after us and they weren’t asked to pay before they had their food. The only thing that was different was the colour of our skins.

“We said we were professional footballers and were happy to pay when we had finished. That’s what normal people do. He hadn’t asked other customers to pay before their meals.

“It got a little bit heated, then he said: ‘If you’re not going to pay the bill now, I’m going to call the police to escort you off the premises’.”

Mr Robinson added: “We’re all grown men and we were smartly dressed. When the lads go out for a meal, we know we’re representing the club. We know that people recognise us and we have to behave.

“We were angry, but we kept our cool. The police spoke to customers who were eating around our table, and they said we were fine. We hadn’t shouted, kicked up a fuss or anything.”

Player, Liam Feeney said: “I couldn’t believe it. You don’t really expect it any more. I could understand it if all young men had to pay before their meal. The fact that there were other groups of white lads younger than us who weren’t asked didn’t really leave anything else for it to be.”

A spokesman for Dorset Police confirmed that officers attended the restaurant after receiving a complaint from Pizza Hut about disruptive customers.

“A group of men had been asked to leave. They weren’t happy about this, but we spoke to them and they did leave,” he said.

A spokesman for Pizza Hut said: “We do not tolerate any form of discrimination, so immediately investigated this incident. While our duty manager’s actions were absolutely not racially motivated, we are very sorry for the way this was handled.

“Police recently recommended that the restaurant started asking people to pay for their meal before dining, to combat a number of incidents where customers had left without paying.

“Unfortunately, it seems this approach was not enforced as a blanket policy and we have ensured all staff have been retrained. We will be contacting the customers concerned to apologise.”

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9:10am Mon 6 Dec 10

Huey says...

Pizza Hut is **** anyway they were better off eating elsewhere
Pizza Hut is **** anyway they were better off eating elsewhere Huey
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9:13am Mon 6 Dec 10

stuarto says...

Oh dear chaps, eating in Pizza Hut eh? Just the kind of healthy stuff professional atheletes need. You could have at least found a ZiZi's or Pizaa Express. The food in Pizza Hut is fatty, bland and generally just awful. Usana will be impressed.

Badly paid, badly trained staff making bad decisions based on ropey managerial dik-tats, cobbled together as a reaction to other incidents, invariably creates these type of incidents. Unfortunate for Pizza Hut that it happened to Bournemouth players rather than the thousands of the rest of us, it happens to on a daily basis.
Oh dear chaps, eating in Pizza Hut eh? Just the kind of healthy stuff professional atheletes need. You could have at least found a ZiZi's or Pizaa Express. The food in Pizza Hut is fatty, bland and generally just awful. Usana will be impressed. Badly paid, badly trained staff making bad decisions based on ropey managerial dik-tats, cobbled together as a reaction to other incidents, invariably creates these type of incidents. Unfortunate for Pizza Hut that it happened to Bournemouth players rather than the thousands of the rest of us, it happens to on a daily basis. stuarto
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9:14am Mon 6 Dec 10

stuarto says...

Oh, the grammar on that headline is appalling. Stay behind after class.
Oh, the grammar on that headline is appalling. Stay behind after class. stuarto
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9:19am Mon 6 Dec 10

Nick68 says...

There is no excuse for the racist behaviour of the staff at Pizza Hut. Calling the police only compounded the situation.
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An apology after the event is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
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Boycott Pizza Hut!
There is no excuse for the racist behaviour of the staff at Pizza Hut. Calling the police only compounded the situation. . An apology after the event is shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. . Boycott Pizza Hut! Nick68
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9:21am Mon 6 Dec 10

nikkioctober says...

I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.
I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't. nikkioctober
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9:23am Mon 6 Dec 10

uvox44 says...

I believe the law over paying for food when eating out is that you are within your rights to refuse payment if you feel the food is not up to standard-so how can you be charged up front?
If the other customers confirmed the good behaviour of the players then why were they still asked to leave by the police? Surely they should have charged the manager with wasting their time!
I don't often go to Pizza Express but from now on I'll downgrade that to-NEVER.
I believe the law over paying for food when eating out is that you are within your rights to refuse payment if you feel the food is not up to standard-so how can you be charged up front? If the other customers confirmed the good behaviour of the players then why were they still asked to leave by the police? Surely they should have charged the manager with wasting their time! I don't often go to Pizza Express but from now on I'll downgrade that to-NEVER. uvox44
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9:30am Mon 6 Dec 10

Huey says...

nikkioctober wrote:
I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.
yeah people without tastebuds probably love the place
[quote][p][bold]nikkioctober[/bold] wrote: I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.[/p][/quote]yeah people without tastebuds probably love the place Huey
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9:52am Mon 6 Dec 10

TinyLegacy says...

Good to see the race card being pulled out at the earliest opportunity again!
Good to see the race card being pulled out at the earliest opportunity again! TinyLegacy
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9:55am Mon 6 Dec 10

Yawwwn! says...

I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions?

As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant.
I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions? As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant. Yawwwn!
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10:06am Mon 6 Dec 10

Rednax says...

Yawwwn! wrote:
I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions? As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant.
I agree. When the Police arrived they should have arrested the Manager for racism. Sounds lke a proper cretin. He should lose his job for this.
[quote][p][bold]Yawwwn![/bold] wrote: I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions? As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant.[/p][/quote]I agree. When the Police arrived they should have arrested the Manager for racism. Sounds lke a proper cretin. He should lose his job for this. Rednax
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10:09am Mon 6 Dec 10

Huey says...

Rednax wrote:
Yawwwn! wrote: I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions? As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant.
I agree. When the Police arrived they should have arrested the Manager for racism. Sounds lke a proper cretin. He should lose his job for this.
Making him eat one of his own pizzas should be punishment enough
[quote][p][bold]Rednax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yawwwn![/bold] wrote: I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions? As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant.[/p][/quote]I agree. When the Police arrived they should have arrested the Manager for racism. Sounds lke a proper cretin. He should lose his job for this.[/p][/quote]Making him eat one of his own pizzas should be punishment enough Huey
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10:11am Mon 6 Dec 10

Local fan says...

Every AFCB player I, as a fan, have met on and off the pitch has been polite and pleasant; they do a huge amount for our community and are role models that are a credit the club and the town.

An apology from Pizza Hut is not enough... its disgraceful.
Every AFCB player I, as a fan, have met on and off the pitch has been polite and pleasant; they do a huge amount for our community and are role models that are a credit the club and the town. An apology from Pizza Hut is not enough... its disgraceful. Local fan
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10:20am Mon 6 Dec 10

Upkeep says...

There is always the possibility that the manager is a Saints supporter.
There is always the possibility that the manager is a Saints supporter. Upkeep
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10:22am Mon 6 Dec 10

Trevor Dykes says...

I've heard it said that there's no such thing as bad publicity. This Pizza Hut manager has managed to show that's untrue.
I've heard it said that there's no such thing as bad publicity. This Pizza Hut manager has managed to show that's untrue. Trevor Dykes
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10:23am Mon 6 Dec 10

In Absentia says...

Perhaps AFCB fans should boycott that particular restaurant until Pizza Hut make a donation to a charity of the players choice?
Perhaps AFCB fans should boycott that particular restaurant until Pizza Hut make a donation to a charity of the players choice? In Absentia
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10:36am Mon 6 Dec 10

rook says...

nikkioctober wrote:
I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.
Most likely the Pizza Hut was aware of the previous financial state at AFCB and wanted to make sure they got the money :-)
[quote][p][bold]nikkioctober[/bold] wrote: I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.[/p][/quote]Most likely the Pizza Hut was aware of the previous financial state at AFCB and wanted to make sure they got the money :-) rook
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10:44am Mon 6 Dec 10

roysses says...

TinyLegacy

It is not using the "race card", it is reporting illegal activity by a major chain of restaurants.
TinyLegacy It is not using the "race card", it is reporting illegal activity by a major chain of restaurants. roysses
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10:49am Mon 6 Dec 10

djdaface says...

It shouldn't matter what you look like, hoodies, black anything, you cant single a person out and ask them to pay for the bill. This man should loose his job he is clearly not fit for it.

I know I would loose mine for any such behaviour
It shouldn't matter what you look like, hoodies, black anything, you cant single a person out and ask them to pay for the bill. This man should loose his job he is clearly not fit for it. I know I would loose mine for any such behaviour djdaface
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10:50am Mon 6 Dec 10

djdaface says...

and if you are going to run out on the bill... wouldnt you pick somewhere that cost you more than £5.95?!
and if you are going to run out on the bill... wouldnt you pick somewhere that cost you more than £5.95?! djdaface
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11:09am Mon 6 Dec 10

worried to death says...

Disgraceful.. the manager should be sacked, how can you single out customers like this..they should charge everyone when ordering if they have a problem..I wont use it in future.
Disgraceful.. the manager should be sacked, how can you single out customers like this..they should charge everyone when ordering if they have a problem..I wont use it in future. worried to death
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11:20am Mon 6 Dec 10

Adrian XX says...

djdaface wrote:
It shouldn't matter what you look like, hoodies, black anything, you cant single a person out and ask them to pay for the bill. This man should loose his job he is clearly not fit for it.

I know I would loose mine for any such behaviour
The manager is perfectly entitled to ask for payment up front if he suspects that payment at the end might not be forthcoming. However, if his reason is "because you're black", he is breaking the law. Since we can't read his thoughts, we don't know whether or not his decision was racially motivated.
[quote][p][bold]djdaface[/bold] wrote: It shouldn't matter what you look like, hoodies, black anything, you cant single a person out and ask them to pay for the bill. This man should loose his job he is clearly not fit for it. I know I would loose mine for any such behaviour[/p][/quote]The manager is perfectly entitled to ask for payment up front if he suspects that payment at the end might not be forthcoming. However, if his reason is "because you're black", he is breaking the law. Since we can't read his thoughts, we don't know whether or not his decision was racially motivated. Adrian XX
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11:25am Mon 6 Dec 10

The Liberal says...

Adrian XX wrote:
djdaface wrote:
It shouldn't matter what you look like, hoodies, black anything, you cant single a person out and ask them to pay for the bill. This man should loose his job he is clearly not fit for it.

I know I would loose mine for any such behaviour
The manager is perfectly entitled to ask for payment up front if he suspects that payment at the end might not be forthcoming. However, if his reason is "because you're black", he is breaking the law. Since we can't read his thoughts, we don't know whether or not his decision was racially motivated.
Well, I can't think of any other reason. As stated in the story, a group of white kids weren't asked to pay in advance. The players were also 'smartly dressed'. If it wasn't racially motivated, the manager should at least have stated the real reason.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djdaface[/bold] wrote: It shouldn't matter what you look like, hoodies, black anything, you cant single a person out and ask them to pay for the bill. This man should loose his job he is clearly not fit for it. I know I would loose mine for any such behaviour[/p][/quote]The manager is perfectly entitled to ask for payment up front if he suspects that payment at the end might not be forthcoming. However, if his reason is "because you're black", he is breaking the law. Since we can't read his thoughts, we don't know whether or not his decision was racially motivated.[/p][/quote]Well, I can't think of any other reason. As stated in the story, a group of white kids weren't asked to pay in advance. The players were also 'smartly dressed'. If it wasn't racially motivated, the manager should at least have stated the real reason. The Liberal
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11:31am Mon 6 Dec 10

djdaface says...

entitled legally yes... but from a business perspective to single somebody out like that under a franchised name you are not fit to do your job. If you came into a bank and asked for a loan, and you were dressed in a hoody or black I could not ask you for the first payment upfront because I was worried you would not pay..
Would you charge somebody in the dentist before they had treatment because you were worried they couldnt pay?

Small business where you have alot of trouble, maybe acceptable, but large chain in a small shopping area...

I know I would have walked out if it was me and not gone black sorry back.
entitled legally yes... but from a business perspective to single somebody out like that under a franchised name you are not fit to do your job. If you came into a bank and asked for a loan, and you were dressed in a hoody or black I could not ask you for the first payment upfront because I was worried you would not pay.. Would you charge somebody in the dentist before they had treatment because you were worried they couldnt pay? Small business where you have alot of trouble, maybe acceptable, but large chain in a small shopping area... I know I would have walked out if it was me and not gone black sorry back. djdaface
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11:54am Mon 6 Dec 10

ondulado says...

I have never heard of anything so ridiculous as paying before eating.
It seems to me that the manager called the Police, not because the players were causing a disturbance, but because, having asked them to pay up front, which they refused to do, he could not then serve them without losing face and therefore called the police, citing that they were causing a disturbance.
The players do not appear to have been causing any sort of disturbance until they were asked to pay, and no doubt even the most relaxed and laid-back individual is going to be somewhat aggrieved at this request, so I can understand if matters became more heated at that moment.
Pizza hut have been made to look very foolish indeed!
I have never heard of anything so ridiculous as paying before eating. It seems to me that the manager called the Police, not because the players were causing a disturbance, but because, having asked them to pay up front, which they refused to do, he could not then serve them without losing face and therefore called the police, citing that they were causing a disturbance. The players do not appear to have been causing any sort of disturbance until they were asked to pay, and no doubt even the most relaxed and laid-back individual is going to be somewhat aggrieved at this request, so I can understand if matters became more heated at that moment. Pizza hut have been made to look very foolish indeed! ondulado
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11:54am Mon 6 Dec 10

fulhamfc says...

Does this company teach Equality and Diversity?

I will be ringing them to find out........ If this member of staff has broken any such rules, is it policy that he is retrained or disiplined? Although they state they have retrained, i bet it is not in being diverse and treating people equal.
Does this company teach Equality and Diversity? I will be ringing them to find out........ If this member of staff has broken any such rules, is it policy that he is retrained or disiplined? Although they state they have retrained, i bet it is not in being diverse and treating people equal. fulhamfc
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12:23pm Mon 6 Dec 10

KLH says...

nikkioctober wrote:
I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.
They were actually smartly dressed, Nikki. Which to me says suits and ties or smart casual, which doesn't mean football gear.

The people that walked out without paying may also have been smartly dressed adult black men. But Pizza Hut should have handled it differently.

I myself, because of my autism, get odd looks from security guards, shop assistants and others because my eye contact possibly gives the impression I am shifty, but it doesn't mean to say I am. People assume too quickly.
[quote][p][bold]nikkioctober[/bold] wrote: I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.[/p][/quote]They were actually smartly dressed, Nikki. Which to me says suits and ties or smart casual, which doesn't mean football gear. The people that walked out without paying may also have been smartly dressed adult black men. But Pizza Hut should have handled it differently. I myself, because of my autism, get odd looks from security guards, shop assistants and others because my eye contact possibly gives the impression I am shifty, but it doesn't mean to say I am. People assume too quickly. KLH
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12:38pm Mon 6 Dec 10

garymcm says...

appauling behaviour from the manager no matter what the reason, whichever way you cut it they were singled out and that as the facts show has no reasoning behind it, this manager does not deserve his position and should be sacked, the police should also be taken to task over this, players who were not in the wrong had to leave, what is this the usa in the 60's??
appauling behaviour from the manager no matter what the reason, whichever way you cut it they were singled out and that as the facts show has no reasoning behind it, this manager does not deserve his position and should be sacked, the police should also be taken to task over this, players who were not in the wrong had to leave, what is this the usa in the 60's?? garymcm
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12:52pm Mon 6 Dec 10

louie288 says...

personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.
personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge. louie288
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12:58pm Mon 6 Dec 10

fulhamfc says...

louie288 wrote:
personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.
mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.
[quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.[/p][/quote]mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event. fulhamfc
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1:05pm Mon 6 Dec 10

nikkioctober says...

KLH wrote:
nikkioctober wrote: I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.
They were actually smartly dressed, Nikki. Which to me says suits and ties or smart casual, which doesn't mean football gear. The people that walked out without paying may also have been smartly dressed adult black men. But Pizza Hut should have handled it differently. I myself, because of my autism, get odd looks from security guards, shop assistants and others because my eye contact possibly gives the impression I am shifty, but it doesn't mean to say I am. People assume too quickly.
Well, fair enough, if they were smartly dressed, then I take it back for judging them on their clothing. But, again, we've only heard their side, how do we know how they were behaving? Don't get me wrong, if it was racially motivated then it is damned disgusting and the manager deserves everything thrown at him. I think people can be too quick to use the race card these days though.
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nikkioctober[/bold] wrote: I don't think it was due to the colour of their skin, I'm pretty sure it was the because they were in football gear, which people can asssociate with hoodlums! Also - this isn't a place for you to be telling people what they should eat, just because you don't like Pizza Hut doesn't mean other people don't.[/p][/quote]They were actually smartly dressed, Nikki. Which to me says suits and ties or smart casual, which doesn't mean football gear. The people that walked out without paying may also have been smartly dressed adult black men. But Pizza Hut should have handled it differently. I myself, because of my autism, get odd looks from security guards, shop assistants and others because my eye contact possibly gives the impression I am shifty, but it doesn't mean to say I am. People assume too quickly.[/p][/quote]Well, fair enough, if they were smartly dressed, then I take it back for judging them on their clothing. But, again, we've only heard their side, how do we know how they were behaving? Don't get me wrong, if it was racially motivated then it is damned disgusting and the manager deserves everything thrown at him. I think people can be too quick to use the race card these days though. nikkioctober
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1:10pm Mon 6 Dec 10

madgeman says...

fulhamfc wrote:
louie288 wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.
mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.
If the Echo bothered to speak to independant witnesses before 'breaking' the story it wouldn't be so sensational.
At the end of the day the Echos business is too sell papers, and like any paper morals or the truth doesnt come into it!
[quote][p][bold]fulhamfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.[/p][/quote]mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.[/p][/quote]If the Echo bothered to speak to independant witnesses before 'breaking' the story it wouldn't be so sensational. At the end of the day the Echos business is too sell papers, and like any paper morals or the truth doesnt come into it! madgeman
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1:15pm Mon 6 Dec 10

rook says...

louie288 wrote:
personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.
Very interesting to hear the alternative view from an eye witness. It seems a different angle on the story could have been investigated, although as it turns out, it now appears Pizza Hut are doing the decent thing by making no comments about this specific incident.
[quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.[/p][/quote]Very interesting to hear the alternative view from an eye witness. It seems a different angle on the story could have been investigated, although as it turns out, it now appears Pizza Hut are doing the decent thing by making no comments about this specific incident. rook
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1:25pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Frogmarch2 says...

What a company Pizza Hut is. My family and I ate there at last Wednesday. We finished our meal and waited for the bill, we waited, and waited an waited. Eventually we decided to get up and stand by the till in the hope we could pay. We stood by the till and continued to wait, and wait a bit more. In the end I had to approach a member of staff to attend to us. She came over and asked if we would like a table!!! No wonder people leave without paying, if I hadn't had my children with me I would have done. Bear in mind this is the same company who a couple of years back put their take away menu through my door and when I rang to place an order I was told they didn't deliver to my area. Why leaflet it then! Pizza Hut = Appalling service
What a company Pizza Hut is. My family and I ate there at last Wednesday. We finished our meal and waited for the bill, we waited, and waited an waited. Eventually we decided to get up and stand by the till in the hope we could pay. We stood by the till and continued to wait, and wait a bit more. In the end I had to approach a member of staff to attend to us. She came over and asked if we would like a table!!! No wonder people leave without paying, if I hadn't had my children with me I would have done. Bear in mind this is the same company who a couple of years back put their take away menu through my door and when I rang to place an order I was told they didn't deliver to my area. Why leaflet it then! Pizza Hut = Appalling service Frogmarch2
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1:28pm Mon 6 Dec 10

free wessex says...

Disgraceful! but as an ex- Bournemouthian it does not surprise me. One of the reasons I left for good is because it is a nasty corrupt bigoted racist Tory town always has been and always will!
Disgraceful! but as an ex- Bournemouthian it does not surprise me. One of the reasons I left for good is because it is a nasty corrupt bigoted racist Tory town always has been and always will! free wessex
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1:30pm Mon 6 Dec 10

louie288 says...

fulhamfc wrote:
louie288 wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.
mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.
maybe, maybe not, but all I can say is the players were not behaving as the model citizens thats been led to believe. They were generally loud and obnoxious with a distinct lack of respect for anyone else in the restaurant. I know for a fact that this restaurant in particular has had a problem with youths who eat and run so my guess is the manager felt they came into this category. I do not think this was in anyway racially motivated. The police, I feel, were called because the manger was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs. I certainly had no idea they were professional footballers.
[quote][p][bold]fulhamfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.[/p][/quote]mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.[/p][/quote]maybe, maybe not, but all I can say is the players were not behaving as the model citizens thats been led to believe. They were generally loud and obnoxious with a distinct lack of respect for anyone else in the restaurant. I know for a fact that this restaurant in particular has had a problem with youths who eat and run so my guess is the manager felt they came into this category. I do not think this was in anyway racially motivated. The police, I feel, were called because the manger was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs. I certainly had no idea they were professional footballers. louie288
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2:33pm Mon 6 Dec 10

denisd says...

free wessex wrote:
Disgraceful! but as an ex- Bournemouthian it does not surprise me. One of the reasons I left for good is because it is a nasty corrupt bigoted racist Tory town always has been and always will!
Free Wessex makes a good point, I was born in Bournemouth and moved to London for thirty years to pursue my career.
I came back to Bournemouth in 2005 and there is a large proportion of people here who can only be described as rascist and bigotted.
Whether it is through ignorance, i.e. not having the ratio of ethnic people in the area or not I don't know.
I can only say that I have experienced more racism and bigotry in the past five years here than I did in thirty years among an ethnic community.
[quote][p][bold]free wessex[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful! but as an ex- Bournemouthian it does not surprise me. One of the reasons I left for good is because it is a nasty corrupt bigoted racist Tory town always has been and always will![/p][/quote]Free Wessex makes a good point, I was born in Bournemouth and moved to London for thirty years to pursue my career. I came back to Bournemouth in 2005 and there is a large proportion of people here who can only be described as rascist and bigotted. Whether it is through ignorance, i.e. not having the ratio of ethnic people in the area or not I don't know. I can only say that I have experienced more racism and bigotry in the past five years here than I did in thirty years among an ethnic community. denisd
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2:37pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Avengerboy says...

Daily Mail is going with the footballers at present, louie288 could make it a game of two half's.
Daily Mail is going with the footballers at present, louie288 could make it a game of two half's. Avengerboy
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2:41pm Mon 6 Dec 10

djdaface says...

louie288 wrote:
fulhamfc wrote:
louie288 wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.
mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.
maybe, maybe not, but all I can say is the players were not behaving as the model citizens thats been led to believe. They were generally loud and obnoxious with a distinct lack of respect for anyone else in the restaurant. I know for a fact that this restaurant in particular has had a problem with youths who eat and run so my guess is the manager felt they came into this category. I do not think this was in anyway racially motivated. The police, I feel, were called because the manger was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs. I certainly had no idea they were professional footballers.
if you see this behaviour all the time, and you did not know they were footballers then you cant be sure you were present during this incident really can you...
[quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fulhamfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.[/p][/quote]mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.[/p][/quote]maybe, maybe not, but all I can say is the players were not behaving as the model citizens thats been led to believe. They were generally loud and obnoxious with a distinct lack of respect for anyone else in the restaurant. I know for a fact that this restaurant in particular has had a problem with youths who eat and run so my guess is the manager felt they came into this category. I do not think this was in anyway racially motivated. The police, I feel, were called because the manger was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs. I certainly had no idea they were professional footballers.[/p][/quote]if you see this behaviour all the time, and you did not know they were footballers then you cant be sure you were present during this incident really can you... djdaface
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2:49pm Mon 6 Dec 10

louie288 says...

oh yes it was definatly this incident. I might not know anything about football or who plays for which team but I do know how to use the internet, and I now know some of the bournemouth football players.
oh yes it was definatly this incident. I might not know anything about football or who plays for which team but I do know how to use the internet, and I now know some of the bournemouth football players. louie288
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2:53pm Mon 6 Dec 10

BourneRed says...

So their shocking behaviour that deserved this treatment was that they were a group of males who were having a laugh and a joke together? Well thank goodness the police were called.
So their shocking behaviour that deserved this treatment was that they were a group of males who were having a laugh and a joke together? Well thank goodness the police were called. BourneRed
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2:56pm Mon 6 Dec 10

louie288 says...

there's having a laugh and then there's being obnoxious rude and threatening
there's having a laugh and then there's being obnoxious rude and threatening louie288
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3:14pm Mon 6 Dec 10

ondulado says...

UMMM...Very confused by this now. There are two sides to every story.
If we are now saying that the AFCB players were behaving in an offensive or disruptive manner, causing concern for the staff, why did the staff not just ask them to leave instead of asking to see the colour of their money? Does the fact that they have money in their pockets, whether they are wearing suits, hoodies or anything else, allow them to be a nuisance to other customers? If you choose to eat or drink at a pub etc, you pay up front. If you buy a sandwich from a shop, cafe etc, you pay up front. I think the manager got it wrong in asking for proof of ability to pay and should simply have refused to serve them.
It would be nice and different if the Echo managed to get both sides of the story for once before printing the page! To suggest this was racially motivated sounds pretty ludicrous and a safe bet that everyone will make the most of it.
UMMM...Very confused by this now. There are two sides to every story. If we are now saying that the AFCB players were behaving in an offensive or disruptive manner, causing concern for the staff, why did the staff not just ask them to leave instead of asking to see the colour of their money? Does the fact that they have money in their pockets, whether they are wearing suits, hoodies or anything else, allow them to be a nuisance to other customers? If you choose to eat or drink at a pub etc, you pay up front. If you buy a sandwich from a shop, cafe etc, you pay up front. I think the manager got it wrong in asking for proof of ability to pay and should simply have refused to serve them. It would be nice and different if the Echo managed to get both sides of the story for once before printing the page! To suggest this was racially motivated sounds pretty ludicrous and a safe bet that everyone will make the most of it. ondulado
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3:35pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Fred Luton says...

Yuk Pizza Hut!!!!! Not very healthy.
Id have to be starving to go in one of those places. There are so many other nice places to go to eat in this area. I think EH needs to educate the boys taste buds a little..............
. :-)
Yuk Pizza Hut!!!!! Not very healthy. Id have to be starving to go in one of those places. There are so many other nice places to go to eat in this area. I think EH needs to educate the boys taste buds a little.............. . :-) Fred Luton
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3:36pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Brock_and_Roll says...

I can recall from the Sout Stand in the early 80's there were one of two blokes making frequent racist remarks/shouts/songs including the so-called "bearded racist", who on finally being arrested managed to handcuff himself to the terrace! Initially it was sort of accepted, later is was tolerated albeit with an ever increasing amount of uneasiness. Whilst racist view are still widespread in the area, I would have thought that amongst footie fans it is much less - after all its a multicultural sport.
I can recall from the Sout Stand in the early 80's there were one of two blokes making frequent racist remarks/shouts/songs including the so-called "bearded racist", who on finally being arrested managed to handcuff himself to the terrace! Initially it was sort of accepted, later is was tolerated albeit with an ever increasing amount of uneasiness. Whilst racist view are still widespread in the area, I would have thought that amongst footie fans it is much less - after all its a multicultural sport. Brock_and_Roll
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3:38pm Mon 6 Dec 10

bisadave says...

louie288 wrote:
"The police, I feel, were called because the manager was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs"


Looked like a group of yobs? In what way did they 'look like a group of yobs'? Isn't this where we came in?
louie288 wrote: "The police, I feel, were called because the manager was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs" Looked like a group of yobs? In what way did they 'look like a group of yobs'? Isn't this where we came in? bisadave
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4:16pm Mon 6 Dec 10

louie288 says...

bisadave wrote:
louie288 wrote: "The police, I feel, were called because the manager was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs" Looked like a group of yobs? In what way did they 'look like a group of yobs'? Isn't this where we came in?
'look like' from attitudes and behaviour, not from personal appearance as you seem to be implying
[quote][p][bold]bisadave[/bold] wrote: louie288 wrote: "The police, I feel, were called because the manager was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs" Looked like a group of yobs? In what way did they 'look like a group of yobs'? Isn't this where we came in?[/p][/quote]'look like' from attitudes and behaviour, not from personal appearance as you seem to be implying louie288
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4:21pm Mon 6 Dec 10

AndyAFCB says...

Apparently it's 2010, and we are still reading stuff like this, disgraceful. The AFCB lads sounded dignified at least.
Apparently it's 2010, and we are still reading stuff like this, disgraceful. The AFCB lads sounded dignified at least. AndyAFCB
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4:29pm Mon 6 Dec 10

fulhamfc says...

djdaface wrote:
louie288 wrote:
fulhamfc wrote:
louie288 wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.
mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.
maybe, maybe not, but all I can say is the players were not behaving as the model citizens thats been led to believe. They were generally loud and obnoxious with a distinct lack of respect for anyone else in the restaurant. I know for a fact that this restaurant in particular has had a problem with youths who eat and run so my guess is the manager felt they came into this category. I do not think this was in anyway racially motivated. The police, I feel, were called because the manger was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs. I certainly had no idea they were professional footballers.
if you see this behaviour all the time, and you did not know they were footballers then you cant be sure you were present during this incident really can you...
''I know for a fact that this restarant has had problems in the past'' Yet you still go in there, its clear that you have a different oppinion to others, however it still doesnt give this plonker the right to ask for money up front. What is also clear is that Pizza Hut will now get less custom then before even in this restarant that is claimed is bad and had problems previous.
[quote][p][bold]djdaface[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fulhamfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louie288[/bold] wrote: personally i'm quite disgusted at the judgement passed after only reading one side of the story!!! I was actually a customer at the time of this alleged racial incident and i can tell you now this story has been totally twisted. If the footballers were not behaving like some of the local youths then this would not have happen. As far as I can see the players have thrown in this instead of taking any accountability for their own actions and are now holding a major grudge.[/p][/quote]mmmmmm Really, so is it correct to ask people to pay before they are served? Can you please tell us all your account of this event.[/p][/quote]maybe, maybe not, but all I can say is the players were not behaving as the model citizens thats been led to believe. They were generally loud and obnoxious with a distinct lack of respect for anyone else in the restaurant. I know for a fact that this restaurant in particular has had a problem with youths who eat and run so my guess is the manager felt they came into this category. I do not think this was in anyway racially motivated. The police, I feel, were called because the manger was feeling threatened by what looked like a group of yobs. I certainly had no idea they were professional footballers.[/p][/quote]if you see this behaviour all the time, and you did not know they were footballers then you cant be sure you were present during this incident really can you...[/p][/quote]''I know for a fact that this restarant has had problems in the past'' Yet you still go in there, its clear that you have a different oppinion to others, however it still doesnt give this plonker the right to ask for money up front. What is also clear is that Pizza Hut will now get less custom then before even in this restarant that is claimed is bad and had problems previous. fulhamfc
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4:36pm Mon 6 Dec 10

hammer says...

Maybe they were dressed in lycra and the manager thought they had arrived on bicycles as we know how much people are prejudicing cyclists!
Maybe they were dressed in lycra and the manager thought they had arrived on bicycles as we know how much people are prejudicing cyclists! hammer
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4:48pm Mon 6 Dec 10

how_very_dare_you says...

Top story on the Mail Online.
Top story on the Mail Online. how_very_dare_you
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4:55pm Mon 6 Dec 10

eyesropen says...

AFCB fans, why are you assuming that your players are angels who can do no wrong? At the end of the day the only difference between football players and football fans is that they're better at kicking a ball around a field...they don't automatically become upstanding citizens when they sign a contract. Put any group of young men together and things can get rowdy. Sounds like the manager screwed up by not just asking them to calm down or leave, or alternatively asking all customers to pay first. Sounds like a mountain out of a molehill to me. Louie was there, you were not, so why jump on him/ her for describing what they witnessed? Sounds like you are only interested in one side of the story.
AFCB fans, why are you assuming that your players are angels who can do no wrong? At the end of the day the only difference between football players and football fans is that they're better at kicking a ball around a field...they don't automatically become upstanding citizens when they sign a contract. Put any group of young men together and things can get rowdy. Sounds like the manager screwed up by not just asking them to calm down or leave, or alternatively asking all customers to pay first. Sounds like a mountain out of a molehill to me. Louie was there, you were not, so why jump on him/ her for describing what they witnessed? Sounds like you are only interested in one side of the story. eyesropen
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4:58pm Mon 6 Dec 10

PaulRaffle says...

Knowing all three players involved, I find it inconceivable that they were behaving in a 'yobbish' manner. They know full well that they are ambassadors for the club, and need to behave accordingly. They are all polite, mild mannered people.
I trust that Pizza Hut will investigate fully, and well done to the Echo for actually publicising this matter, even though Vitals had the exclusive earlier in the week.
Knowing all three players involved, I find it inconceivable that they were behaving in a 'yobbish' manner. They know full well that they are ambassadors for the club, and need to behave accordingly. They are all polite, mild mannered people. I trust that Pizza Hut will investigate fully, and well done to the Echo for actually publicising this matter, even though Vitals had the exclusive earlier in the week. PaulRaffle
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5:10pm Mon 6 Dec 10

30850LordNelson says...

This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled.
This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled. 30850LordNelson
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5:19pm Mon 6 Dec 10

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Should have gone to Milles just down the road from Pizza Hut and had a decent pizza!
Should have gone to Milles just down the road from Pizza Hut and had a decent pizza! fedupwithjobsworths
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5:22pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Avengerboy says...

30850LordNelson wrote:
This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled.
Well played!
[quote][p][bold]30850LordNelson[/bold] wrote: This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled.[/p][/quote]Well played! Avengerboy
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5:24pm Mon 6 Dec 10

lew clayton says...

boycott pizza hut. ill never go there again
boycott pizza hut. ill never go there again lew clayton
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5:37pm Mon 6 Dec 10

glennzilla says...

For me the crux of this situation is the advice given by the police to ask for payment ahead of providing the service, the logic being that those who would likely bilk would refuse and those willing to pay after would be willing to pay before. This is the same advice given to taxi drivers and I'm afraid that even reasonable people take offence and it creates an awkward situation that more often than not causes a strained relationship from then on.

djdaface...Your comparison between banks, dentists and restaurants would only be relevant if personal details, proof of ID, proof of address and, in the case of banks, proof of income were requirements for frequenting restaurants.

uvox44....How does the law relate to establishments such as MacDonalds, KFC, Burger King or many of the takeaway establishments that provide seating?

This article has failed to provide all of the pertinent facts and as such judgement should be reserved. It is quite possible that the group of 'white' lads were regular customers known to the management or they may have been off duty staff redeeming their employee discount. Until the full facts are disclosed we will never know the reason why these lads were not asked for payment up front.

Smartly dressed may infer suits and ties but we have no confirmation of their attire, but as their visit was directly after a cancelled training session I would be more inclined to believe they were in clean sports wear which to some may be deemed smart.

louie288 provides an eyewitness account more in keeping with the behaviour of AFCB players that I have experienced as a cab driver. Far from behaving as role models they have been more like prima donnas expecting priviledges such as one AFCB player who told me that his status excluded him from paying his £4 taxi fare!

In my experience people who have been 'wronged' often give a very one-sided view that fails to include any suggestion of fault on their part, I suspect that this is the case here also.
For me the crux of this situation is the advice given by the police to ask for payment ahead of providing the service, the logic being that those who would likely bilk would refuse and those willing to pay after would be willing to pay before. This is the same advice given to taxi drivers and I'm afraid that even reasonable people take offence and it creates an awkward situation that more often than not causes a strained relationship from then on. djdaface...Your comparison between banks, dentists and restaurants would only be relevant if personal details, proof of ID, proof of address and, in the case of banks, proof of income were requirements for frequenting restaurants. uvox44....How does the law relate to establishments such as MacDonalds, KFC, Burger King or many of the takeaway establishments that provide seating? This article has failed to provide all of the pertinent facts and as such judgement should be reserved. It is quite possible that the group of 'white' lads were regular customers known to the management or they may have been off duty staff redeeming their employee discount. Until the full facts are disclosed we will never know the reason why these lads were not asked for payment up front. Smartly dressed may infer suits and ties but we have no confirmation of their attire, but as their visit was directly after a cancelled training session I would be more inclined to believe they were in clean sports wear which to some may be deemed smart. louie288 provides an eyewitness account more in keeping with the behaviour of AFCB players that I have experienced as a cab driver. Far from behaving as role models they have been more like prima donnas expecting priviledges such as one AFCB player who told me that his status excluded him from paying his £4 taxi fare! In my experience people who have been 'wronged' often give a very one-sided view that fails to include any suggestion of fault on their part, I suspect that this is the case here also. glennzilla
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5:50pm Mon 6 Dec 10

saynomore says...

You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on??
You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on?? saynomore
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5:53pm Mon 6 Dec 10

saynomore says...

30850LordNelson wrote:
This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled.
Do the Bookies or the pub let you pay after your bet or beer,I dont think so.
[quote][p][bold]30850LordNelson[/bold] wrote: This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled.[/p][/quote]Do the Bookies or the pub let you pay after your bet or beer,I dont think so. saynomore
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5:56pm Mon 6 Dec 10

BmthSeagull says...

I think Pizza Hut should let them have a eat as much as you like session as well as an apology. 21st Jan looks a good date.
I think Pizza Hut should let them have a eat as much as you like session as well as an apology. 21st Jan looks a good date. BmthSeagull
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6:27pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Tezza1965 says...

Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal.
I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned.
My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place!
Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal. I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned. My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place! Tezza1965
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7:10pm Mon 6 Dec 10

BournemouthMum says...

how_very_dare_you wrote:
Top story on the Mail Online.
I can't understand anyone wanting eat in Pizza Hut, they serve over-priced junk and always seem to be under-staffed. Far better spending a little extra and eating at Frankie & Bennys, the staff are great and the food is far superior to anything found at Pizza Hut. Hopefully the fact that this story has gone national will lead to a lot of people boycotting the place.
[quote][p][bold]how_very_dare_you[/bold] wrote: Top story on the Mail Online.[/p][/quote]I can't understand anyone wanting eat in Pizza Hut, they serve over-priced junk and always seem to be under-staffed. Far better spending a little extra and eating at Frankie & Bennys, the staff are great and the food is far superior to anything found at Pizza Hut. Hopefully the fact that this story has gone national will lead to a lot of people boycotting the place. BournemouthMum
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7:31pm Mon 6 Dec 10

robman says...

saynomore wrote:
You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on??
You obviously havn't followed the story, in the above establishments everyone is treated the same, ie pay on ordering. In Pizza Hut you pay on completion of the meal. The black players were treated differently to everyone else in the resturant, ie racist. Not to difficult for you to follow now.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on??[/p][/quote]You obviously havn't followed the story, in the above establishments everyone is treated the same, ie pay on ordering. In Pizza Hut you pay on completion of the meal. The black players were treated differently to everyone else in the resturant, ie racist. Not to difficult for you to follow now. robman
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8:21pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Mike Pickering says...

I would have refused them service on the basis that they were professional sports-players and I have an unhealthy bias against professional sports, full-stop.
Billions of man-hours are wasted on these purile games every year - time and effort that could be spent feeding the hungry (even with Pizza), providing clean water for everyone that needs it, improving our environment, educating and inspiring our children etc etc. Instead we project our regional allegiances onto a group of people who forego a meaningful life in lieu of playing games designed for adolescents , infantilising both those playing and spectating. Sport is ultimately a childish distraction from the real challenges and games in this world, where it's not points or goals that are earned but humanity and respect that is enriched.
I would have refused them service on the basis that they were professional sports-players and I have an unhealthy bias against professional sports, full-stop. Billions of man-hours are wasted on these purile games every year - time and effort that could be spent feeding the hungry (even with Pizza), providing clean water for everyone that needs it, improving our environment, educating and inspiring our children etc etc. Instead we project our regional allegiances onto a group of people who forego a meaningful life in lieu of playing games designed for adolescents , infantilising both those playing and spectating. Sport is ultimately a childish distraction from the real challenges and games in this world, where it's not points or goals that are earned but humanity and respect that is enriched. Mike Pickering
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8:22pm Mon 6 Dec 10

oneshortleg says...

Well done echo for naming and shaming discrimination is everywhere i used to use a wheelchair and was told a restaurant was fully booked when it clearly wasn't i assume because they thought i would take up more space. Several people behind us had not booked either and were shown to seats!!! Sack the manager retrain staff and boycott it!
Well done echo for naming and shaming discrimination is everywhere i used to use a wheelchair and was told a restaurant was fully booked when it clearly wasn't i assume because they thought i would take up more space. Several people behind us had not booked either and were shown to seats!!! Sack the manager retrain staff and boycott it! oneshortleg
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8:29pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Somethings not right says...

One wonders if this would get in the News if it was a group of Black Plumbers or Students. Sounds like they think all Black People may run off without paying. What next seperate Toilets Shame on you Manager of pizza Hut .
One wonders if this would get in the News if it was a group of Black Plumbers or Students. Sounds like they think all Black People may run off without paying. What next seperate Toilets Shame on you Manager of pizza Hut . Somethings not right
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8:30pm Mon 6 Dec 10

High Treason says...

Tezza1965 wrote:
Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal. I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned. My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place!
How can you claim the place is racist? The police did not think so or are you another using the race card to stir things?
[quote][p][bold]Tezza1965[/bold] wrote: Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal. I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned. My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place![/p][/quote]How can you claim the place is racist? The police did not think so or are you another using the race card to stir things? High Treason
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8:45pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Somethings not right says...

saynomore wrote:
30850LordNelson wrote:
This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled.
Do the Bookies or the pub let you pay after your bet or beer,I dont think so.
I have an account at the Bookies and a Tab at the Pub so Yes
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]30850LordNelson[/bold] wrote: This a sad sign of the times.........in Harry Redknapps' day they would have been straight in the bookies or the pub if training was cancelled.[/p][/quote]Do the Bookies or the pub let you pay after your bet or beer,I dont think so.[/p][/quote]I have an account at the Bookies and a Tab at the Pub so Yes Somethings not right
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8:51pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Somethings not right says...

On a serious note what I dont get is (and someone has already mentioned this) If you were in charge of a Pizza joint and you were having trouble from a Group of Young Men why on earth would you ask them for Money rather than eject them I am sorry but it makes no sense to me .
On a serious note what I dont get is (and someone has already mentioned this) If you were in charge of a Pizza joint and you were having trouble from a Group of Young Men why on earth would you ask them for Money rather than eject them I am sorry but it makes no sense to me . Somethings not right
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8:58pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Somethings not right says...

Simple message for Pizza Hut if you did nothing wrong why issue an apology.

Either make everyone pay up front or nobody
Simple message for Pizza Hut if you did nothing wrong why issue an apology. Either make everyone pay up front or nobody Somethings not right
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8:58pm Mon 6 Dec 10

fartington says...

A little while ago I stage-managed a show for this lot involving strippers. I overheard them plotting how to leave the hotel with their bill unpaid.

I let the hotel know about this, and demanded payment before the second half of the show began.

They paid up....but they are not to be trusted. Black or white, football players are not the sharpest tools in the shed....just the richest.
A little while ago I stage-managed a show for this lot involving strippers. I overheard them plotting how to leave the hotel with their bill unpaid. I let the hotel know about this, and demanded payment before the second half of the show began. They paid up....but they are not to be trusted. Black or white, football players are not the sharpest tools in the shed....just the richest. fartington
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9:06pm Mon 6 Dec 10

colbie says...

Reminds me of a a few months back when we were in the Old christchurch rd branch in town one afternoon.

A group of at least 20, and I would even say probably nearer 30, young blokes came in all at once, dressed in track suits with the Southampton FC badges on. They were all seemingly ok, probably all around late teens in age.

Anyway, they all got served straight away and treated just like any other customers.

Pizza Hut must have had a change in policy since.
Reminds me of a a few months back when we were in the Old christchurch rd branch in town one afternoon. A group of at least 20, and I would even say probably nearer 30, young blokes came in all at once, dressed in track suits with the Southampton FC badges on. They were all seemingly ok, probably all around late teens in age. Anyway, they all got served straight away and treated just like any other customers. Pizza Hut must have had a change in policy since. colbie
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9:09pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Skyrah says...

Glenzilla a rational and well thought out post, some of which I agree with.

As an ex publican and restauranteur, I can confirm that male only groups are slightly more likely to 'do a runner' than mixed groups or female only groups. In these days of political correctness and spurious cries of racism and discrimination, the manager should have been cautious and be seen to act fairly and indiscriminately - perhaps pointedly asking the other all male (and all White) party to pay upfront?

The fact that the manager seemed unconcerned about appearances, 
 does I'm afraid to say, give the impression that the manager deemed the footballers somehow unworthy of respectful and decent treatment. 

So what if they were arrogant or boisterous? Many people eating out consider it quite ok to be obnoxious and nasty to catering establishment staff! Not nice, but sadly comes with the generally minimum wage!

Sad and disgusting if this incident was racially motivated, badly and unprofessionally handled if it wasn't. If I still had a restaurant I'd be happy to take advantage of all the publicity generated and offer these lads (obnoxious or not) a free meal, which is the very least that Pizza Hut should be offering!


Sent from my iPhone
Glenzilla a rational and well thought out post, some of which I agree with. As an ex publican and restauranteur, I can confirm that male only groups are slightly more likely to 'do a runner' than mixed groups or female only groups. In these days of political correctness and spurious cries of racism and discrimination, the manager should have been cautious and be seen to act fairly and indiscriminately - perhaps pointedly asking the other all male (and all White) party to pay upfront? The fact that the manager seemed unconcerned about appearances,   does I'm afraid to say, give the impression that the manager deemed the footballers somehow unworthy of respectful and decent treatment.  So what if they were arrogant or boisterous? Many people eating out consider it quite ok to be obnoxious and nasty to catering establishment staff! Not nice, but sadly comes with the generally minimum wage! Sad and disgusting if this incident was racially motivated, badly and unprofessionally handled if it wasn't. If I still had a restaurant I'd be happy to take advantage of all the publicity generated and offer these lads (obnoxious or not) a free meal, which is the very least that Pizza Hut should be offering! Sent from my iPhone Skyrah
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9:11pm Mon 6 Dec 10

raypike says...

fartington wrote:
A little while ago I stage-managed a show for this lot involving strippers. I overheard them plotting how to leave the hotel with their bill unpaid. I let the hotel know about this, and demanded payment before the second half of the show began. They paid up....but they are not to be trusted. Black or white, football players are not the sharpest tools in the shed....just the richest.
fartington....so all footballers are thick in your view??? No...just you!
[quote][p][bold]fartington[/bold] wrote: A little while ago I stage-managed a show for this lot involving strippers. I overheard them plotting how to leave the hotel with their bill unpaid. I let the hotel know about this, and demanded payment before the second half of the show began. They paid up....but they are not to be trusted. Black or white, football players are not the sharpest tools in the shed....just the richest.[/p][/quote]fartington....so all footballers are thick in your view??? No...just you! raypike
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9:13pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Arjay says...

What an extraordinary collection of posts! Talk about winding people up!

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened -and neither, as far as I can tell were any of you, except for louie288, whose account seems to have been largely trashed by people who have no idea what actually happened!
Why does averyone always play the race card with these kind of incidents? Could it not be that the colour of these guys' skin actually had nothing to do with the manager's actions??

Oh no, that's right, that has already been dismissed as nonsense --goodness knows on what real evidence?

Pizza Hut could very easily sort this out once and for all. Make everyone pay up front.......
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Sorted!
What an extraordinary collection of posts! Talk about winding people up! I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened -and neither, as far as I can tell were any of you, except for louie288, whose account seems to have been largely trashed by people who have no idea what actually happened! Why does averyone always play the race card with these kind of incidents? Could it not be that the colour of these guys' skin actually had nothing to do with the manager's actions?? Oh no, that's right, that has already been dismissed as nonsense --goodness knows on what real evidence? Pizza Hut could very easily sort this out once and for all. Make everyone pay up front....... . Sorted! Arjay
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9:37pm Mon 6 Dec 10

alasdair1967 says...

its all over the gutter press but saying that the broad sheets have published the story now
its all over the gutter press but saying that the broad sheets have published the story now alasdair1967
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9:43pm Mon 6 Dec 10

hedge end bob says...

Upkeep wrote:
There is always the possibility that the manager is a Saints supporter.
Just like the pizza, this comment lacks TASTE!!!
[quote][p][bold]Upkeep[/bold] wrote: There is always the possibility that the manager is a Saints supporter.[/p][/quote]Just like the pizza, this comment lacks TASTE!!! hedge end bob
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9:45pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Hardy Lass says...

Were their balls in evidence?
Were their balls in evidence? Hardy Lass
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9:53pm Mon 6 Dec 10

raypike says...

Skyrah wrote:
Glenzilla a rational and well thought out post, some of which I agree with. As an ex publican and restauranteur, I can confirm that male only groups are slightly more likely to 'do a runner' than mixed groups or female only groups. In these days of political correctness and spurious cries of racism and discrimination, the manager should have been cautious and be seen to act fairly and indiscriminately - perhaps pointedly asking the other all male (and all White) party to pay upfront? The fact that the manager seemed unconcerned about appearances,   does I'm afraid to say, give the impression that the manager deemed the footballers somehow unworthy of respectful and decent treatment.  So what if they were arrogant or boisterous? Many people eating out consider it quite ok to be obnoxious and nasty to catering establishment staff! Not nice, but sadly comes with the generally minimum wage! Sad and disgusting if this incident was racially motivated, badly and unprofessionally handled if it wasn't. If I still had a restaurant I'd be happy to take advantage of all the publicity generated and offer these lads (obnoxious or not) a free meal, which is the very least that Pizza Hut should be offering! Sent from my iPhone
Having had my own business, the only people who went deliberately without paying their bill were 2 little old ladies, whom i found out after made a habit of doing this. Conclusion...dont pigeon hole people or groups but treat your customers with respect unless they are causing you a problem.
[quote][p][bold]Skyrah[/bold] wrote: Glenzilla a rational and well thought out post, some of which I agree with. As an ex publican and restauranteur, I can confirm that male only groups are slightly more likely to 'do a runner' than mixed groups or female only groups. In these days of political correctness and spurious cries of racism and discrimination, the manager should have been cautious and be seen to act fairly and indiscriminately - perhaps pointedly asking the other all male (and all White) party to pay upfront? The fact that the manager seemed unconcerned about appearances,   does I'm afraid to say, give the impression that the manager deemed the footballers somehow unworthy of respectful and decent treatment.  So what if they were arrogant or boisterous? Many people eating out consider it quite ok to be obnoxious and nasty to catering establishment staff! Not nice, but sadly comes with the generally minimum wage! Sad and disgusting if this incident was racially motivated, badly and unprofessionally handled if it wasn't. If I still had a restaurant I'd be happy to take advantage of all the publicity generated and offer these lads (obnoxious or not) a free meal, which is the very least that Pizza Hut should be offering! Sent from my iPhone[/p][/quote]Having had my own business, the only people who went deliberately without paying their bill were 2 little old ladies, whom i found out after made a habit of doing this. Conclusion...dont pigeon hole people or groups but treat your customers with respect unless they are causing you a problem. raypike
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10:12pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Phixer says...

uvox44, corfe mullen says... "I believe the law over paying for food when eating out is that you are within your rights to refuse payment if you feel the food is not up to standard-so how can you be charged up front?"


Try not paying the next time you order a Pizza Hut delivery!
uvox44, corfe mullen says... "I believe the law over paying for food when eating out is that you are within your rights to refuse payment if you feel the food is not up to standard-so how can you be charged up front?" Try not paying the next time you order a Pizza Hut delivery! Phixer
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10:30pm Mon 6 Dec 10

slimline says...

Yawwwn! wrote:
I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions? As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant.
You can only be arrested and charged with rascism in this country is you are white and English.
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Why should the manager be arrested for rascism anyway? So he asked for a bunch of young males to pay up front. Has anybody asked if they have ever made a bunch of young WHITE men pay up first?
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Typical of this Country now. White people to afraid to say boo to somebody of a different colour in case they get lynched as rascists. Remember that copper in London who said most muggings were done by young black men? He lost his job over that, despite the fact that the conviction records proved him right. Nobody wanted to listen to the truth, just the rent a mob.
[quote][p][bold]Yawwwn![/bold] wrote: I believe you can be arrested and charged for being racist in public which cause's offence (maybe someone can correct me on that if I am wrong?). if that is the case...why is the manager not charged and arrested for his racist actions? As Mr Robinson states that they were all smartly dressed as they were representing the club, it was surely nothing to do with their attire, this is pure racism and needs to be addressed! I would hate to be treated differently because of the coulour of my skin if I went out to a restaurant.[/p][/quote]You can only be arrested and charged with rascism in this country is you are white and English. . Why should the manager be arrested for rascism anyway? So he asked for a bunch of young males to pay up front. Has anybody asked if they have ever made a bunch of young WHITE men pay up first? . Typical of this Country now. White people to afraid to say boo to somebody of a different colour in case they get lynched as rascists. Remember that copper in London who said most muggings were done by young black men? He lost his job over that, despite the fact that the conviction records proved him right. Nobody wanted to listen to the truth, just the rent a mob. slimline
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10:33pm Mon 6 Dec 10

Tezza1965 says...

High Treason wrote:
Tezza1965 wrote: Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal. I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned. My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place!
How can you claim the place is racist? The police did not think so or are you another using the race card to stir things?
When you've ruled out every other possibility the truth is usually staring you in the face. Racism is alive and well at Pizza Hut, Castle Lane, Bournemouth.
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Tomorrows headline in the Echo...
Pizza Hut sack manager of said establishment. Goodbye and good riddance.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tezza1965[/bold] wrote: Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal. I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned. My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place![/p][/quote]How can you claim the place is racist? The police did not think so or are you another using the race card to stir things?[/p][/quote]When you've ruled out every other possibility the truth is usually staring you in the face. Racism is alive and well at Pizza Hut, Castle Lane, Bournemouth. . Tomorrows headline in the Echo... Pizza Hut sack manager of said establishment. Goodbye and good riddance. Tezza1965
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11:08pm Mon 6 Dec 10

ragj195 says...

There are other places that make you pay up front. Namely McDonalds and Burger King. If Pizza Hut are that concerned about the nature of their customers then they should stick the till by the door and take payment from everyone before they are seated. Ate their once with my wife who is vegetarian. They were so apologetic that the waitress dropped the last vegetarian lasagna that they gave us about 6 free starters instead. We felt so sick after eating that rubbish we've never been back since!!!
There are other places that make you pay up front. Namely McDonalds and Burger King. If Pizza Hut are that concerned about the nature of their customers then they should stick the till by the door and take payment from everyone before they are seated. Ate their once with my wife who is vegetarian. They were so apologetic that the waitress dropped the last vegetarian lasagna that they gave us about 6 free starters instead. We felt so sick after eating that rubbish we've never been back since!!! ragj195
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11:45pm Mon 6 Dec 10

bigfatsteve says...

It's probably true that the manager asked for the money up front because of the way they looked. His assessment would have been based on the fact that, if three athletic young men were to possibly do a runner, there's no way way he would ever catch them. I've been in the same establishment and never been asked for payment up front. My issue is the fact I have paid an extortionate amount for a pile of greasy mush. Italians must laugh there heads of at Pizza Huts' dross they churn out. Anton,Liam & co should hang their heads in shame for being caught out eating junk food. What ever happened to the chicken,rice and salad players always quote. Echo reports a party of six players, for it to be to be a racial issue I take it the whole party were black players? No need for a boycott at Pizza Hut, their food is enough to stop anyone paying a return visit.
It's probably true that the manager asked for the money up front because of the way they looked. His assessment would have been based on the fact that, if three athletic young men were to possibly do a runner, there's no way way he would ever catch them. I've been in the same establishment and never been asked for payment up front. My issue is the fact I have paid an extortionate amount for a pile of greasy mush. Italians must laugh there heads of at Pizza Huts' dross they churn out. Anton,Liam & co should hang their heads in shame for being caught out eating junk food. What ever happened to the chicken,rice and salad players always quote. Echo reports a party of six players, for it to be to be a racial issue I take it the whole party were black players? No need for a boycott at Pizza Hut, their food is enough to stop anyone paying a return visit. bigfatsteve
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11:55pm Mon 6 Dec 10

misplacedspaniard says...

Oh cmon! This is a typical story of 'is it cos I is black??' I'm not racist and I've got some great friends of all different ethnic minorities but they would never play the race card and I know they would find this embarrasing. I love the way the echo are all over this story like flies on **** yet when I want to rant about the fact I have a serious health problem yet have to pay ridiculous amounts of money for my medication they don't want to know. Sums up this country really doesn't it??
Oh cmon! This is a typical story of 'is it cos I is black??' I'm not racist and I've got some great friends of all different ethnic minorities but they would never play the race card and I know they would find this embarrasing. I love the way the echo are all over this story like flies on **** yet when I want to rant about the fact I have a serious health problem yet have to pay ridiculous amounts of money for my medication they don't want to know. Sums up this country really doesn't it?? misplacedspaniard
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12:44am Tue 7 Dec 10

glennzilla says...

Tezza1965 wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Tezza1965 wrote: Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal. I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned. My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place!
How can you claim the place is racist? The police did not think so or are you another using the race card to stir things?
When you've ruled out every other possibility the truth is usually staring you in the face. Racism is alive and well at Pizza Hut, Castle Lane, Bournemouth.
.
Tomorrows headline in the Echo...
Pizza Hut sack manager of said establishment. Goodbye and good riddance.
Most likely due to contractual obligations the manager will never be permitted to publicly justify his actions or indeed give his version of the events. How is it at all possible that every other possibilty can be excluded when we are only presented with one version of events?
[quote][p][bold]Tezza1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tezza1965[/bold] wrote: Excuse the pun, but I think the muppet running Pizza Hut in Castle Lane has just scored a massive own goal. I for one will never set foot in there again until the aforementioned muppet has been replaced and their policy of pre-judging anyone they "don't like the look of" has been abandoned. My advice to the players involved is to stop by Frankie & Bennys at Castlepoint from now on. Better food and better service and no racists running the place![/p][/quote]How can you claim the place is racist? The police did not think so or are you another using the race card to stir things?[/p][/quote]When you've ruled out every other possibility the truth is usually staring you in the face. Racism is alive and well at Pizza Hut, Castle Lane, Bournemouth. . Tomorrows headline in the Echo... Pizza Hut sack manager of said establishment. Goodbye and good riddance.[/p][/quote]Most likely due to contractual obligations the manager will never be permitted to publicly justify his actions or indeed give his version of the events. How is it at all possible that every other possibilty can be excluded when we are only presented with one version of events? glennzilla
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1:11am Tue 7 Dec 10

afcbman says...

The problem is clearly Pizza Huts policy or clearly lack of it. The points been made, either make everyone pay up front or nobody. If you continue with your current policy, you put staff at risk of claims of racism or predudice. If people choose to eat in fast food restaurants, it is generally accepted that you pay up front. However, what most people have missed is that proper restaurants ask for payment after the meal and the service staff hope the service they have given is rewarded in a tip. In my opinion, Pizza Hut is a "fast food" type of restaurant.
On a final note, if I were young, black and was asked to pay up front when other customers had not, I too would assume it was because of some form of discrimination.
Remember the first rule of customer service is "the customer is always right"!
The problem is clearly Pizza Huts policy or clearly lack of it. The points been made, either make everyone pay up front or nobody. If you continue with your current policy, you put staff at risk of claims of racism or predudice. If people choose to eat in fast food restaurants, it is generally accepted that you pay up front. However, what most people have missed is that proper restaurants ask for payment after the meal and the service staff hope the service they have given is rewarded in a tip. In my opinion, Pizza Hut is a "fast food" type of restaurant. On a final note, if I were young, black and was asked to pay up front when other customers had not, I too would assume it was because of some form of discrimination. Remember the first rule of customer service is "the customer is always right"! afcbman
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4:25am Tue 7 Dec 10

butlincat says...

I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly.
I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly. butlincat
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7:21am Tue 7 Dec 10

High Treason says...

butlincat wrote:
I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly.
I think the laws on discrimination create many problems. Laws can make it an offence but can't stop what people feel and creates resentment.
[quote][p][bold]butlincat[/bold] wrote: I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly.[/p][/quote]I think the laws on discrimination create many problems. Laws can make it an offence but can't stop what people feel and creates resentment. High Treason
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8:44am Tue 7 Dec 10

The Liberal says...

butlincat wrote:
I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly.
And I suppose you think Rosa Parks was being silly for refusing to give up her seat on a bus?
[quote][p][bold]butlincat[/bold] wrote: I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly.[/p][/quote]And I suppose you think Rosa Parks was being silly for refusing to give up her seat on a bus? The Liberal
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9:36am Tue 7 Dec 10

PTBarnum says...

what about a reef building company that wants to be paid before a repair with no guarentee of results?

Sounds similar to me?

'pay for your meal with no guarentee that it will be as the picture shows!"
what about a reef building company that wants to be paid before a repair with no guarentee of results? Sounds similar to me? 'pay for your meal with no guarentee that it will be as the picture shows!" PTBarnum
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9:52am Tue 7 Dec 10

saynomore says...

robman wrote:
saynomore wrote: You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on??
You obviously havn't followed the story, in the above establishments everyone is treated the same, ie pay on ordering. In Pizza Hut you pay on completion of the meal. The black players were treated differently to everyone else in the resturant, ie racist. Not to difficult for you to follow now.
My point was why dont Pizza Hut charge up front anyway,for all customers, it works for the establishments listed
[quote][p][bold]robman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on??[/p][/quote]You obviously havn't followed the story, in the above establishments everyone is treated the same, ie pay on ordering. In Pizza Hut you pay on completion of the meal. The black players were treated differently to everyone else in the resturant, ie racist. Not to difficult for you to follow now.[/p][/quote]My point was why dont Pizza Hut charge up front anyway,for all customers, it works for the establishments listed saynomore
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10:14am Tue 7 Dec 10

tjayuk says...

uvox44 wrote:
I believe the law over paying for food when eating out is that you are within your rights to refuse payment if you feel the food is not up to standard-so how can you be charged up front?
If the other customers confirmed the good behaviour of the players then why were they still asked to leave by the police? Surely they should have charged the manager with wasting their time!
I don't often go to Pizza Express but from now on I'll downgrade that to-NEVER.
uvox44 dont confuse pizza express with pizza hut! Pizza express is far superior and well worth a visit dont want you boycotting the wrong restaurant!

If a restaurant asked me to pay up front I would just get up and leave bad service if you ask me.

Also someone mentioned the dentists charing upfront! funnily enough it happenend to me!! I asked if it was incase i did a runner or died in the chair and they said its just policy. Again i voted with my feet and got out of there as soon as i could.
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote: I believe the law over paying for food when eating out is that you are within your rights to refuse payment if you feel the food is not up to standard-so how can you be charged up front? If the other customers confirmed the good behaviour of the players then why were they still asked to leave by the police? Surely they should have charged the manager with wasting their time! I don't often go to Pizza Express but from now on I'll downgrade that to-NEVER.[/p][/quote]uvox44 dont confuse pizza express with pizza hut! Pizza express is far superior and well worth a visit dont want you boycotting the wrong restaurant! If a restaurant asked me to pay up front I would just get up and leave bad service if you ask me. Also someone mentioned the dentists charing upfront! funnily enough it happenend to me!! I asked if it was incase i did a runner or died in the chair and they said its just policy. Again i voted with my feet and got out of there as soon as i could. tjayuk
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10:16am Tue 7 Dec 10

polblagger says...

Normally I read a headline like this and assume it's political correctness gone mad, not in this case!

Never mind retraining, the manager involved should have been fired instantly. This kind of obvious racism has no place out on the street, let alone in a chain of family orientated restaurants.

Disgusting.
Normally I read a headline like this and assume it's political correctness gone mad, not in this case! Never mind retraining, the manager involved should have been fired instantly. This kind of obvious racism has no place out on the street, let alone in a chain of family orientated restaurants. Disgusting. polblagger
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10:49am Tue 7 Dec 10

static kill says...

The Liberal wrote:
butlincat wrote:
I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly.
And I suppose you think Rosa Parks was being silly for refusing to give up her seat on a bus?
I'm sure she would feel utterly betrayed to see the way some people of ethnic minorities accuse others of being racist just to "win" some petty argument. Shame on them.
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Not that I'm saying that's the case in this situation.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]butlincat[/bold] wrote: I find this article not worthy of newspaper space. Its there simply because these characters play this game for this town. So what? Who cares about their problems with Pizzaland? And if Pizzaland want to check people out - good luck to them. These characters should get over it and stop crying into their saucers. I notice ordinary people dont make typespace in a local paper over a silly meal. Whatever next? Who cares? The world is the way it is and its being reported about so-called footballers Pizza meals? Silly.[/p][/quote]And I suppose you think Rosa Parks was being silly for refusing to give up her seat on a bus?[/p][/quote]I'm sure she would feel utterly betrayed to see the way some people of ethnic minorities accuse others of being racist just to "win" some petty argument. Shame on them. . Not that I'm saying that's the case in this situation. static kill
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12:00pm Tue 7 Dec 10

Okthen says...

This story is about to be debated on Radio 2 - should be interesting...
This story is about to be debated on Radio 2 - should be interesting... Okthen
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12:59pm Tue 7 Dec 10

Fluffy Bunny says...

The stupid PC woman on Radio 2 said the players were wearing club blazers and ties.
Not true is it?
Everyone has jumped on the bandwaggon and made this worse.
Pizza Hut are wrong. Full stop.
I challenge the players tho to come out and say they were in blazers
The stupid PC woman on Radio 2 said the players were wearing club blazers and ties. Not true is it? Everyone has jumped on the bandwaggon and made this worse. Pizza Hut are wrong. Full stop. I challenge the players tho to come out and say they were in blazers Fluffy Bunny
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1:12pm Tue 7 Dec 10

WibbleFishBananna says...

Yawn!!!! If I had a pound for every time as a young squaddie I was denied entry to a pub/club I would be a millionaire and the general public didn't give a hoot. Banks that wouldn't give us loans despite having a perfect bank record and guaranteed monthly wage, just because we lived in a barracks.
Grow up and stop playing the race card, nobody spat you, called you names and kicked seven bells of crap at you the same time, all they did was ask you to pay up front for your meal, hardly makes Pizza Hut a wing of a neo nazi organisation.
Bring back common sense to the UK now!!!
Yawn!!!! If I had a pound for every time as a young squaddie I was denied entry to a pub/club I would be a millionaire and the general public didn't give a hoot. Banks that wouldn't give us loans despite having a perfect bank record and guaranteed monthly wage, just because we lived in a barracks. Grow up and stop playing the race card, nobody spat you, called you names and kicked seven bells of crap at you the same time, all they did was ask you to pay up front for your meal, hardly makes Pizza Hut a wing of a neo nazi organisation. Bring back common sense to the UK now!!! WibbleFishBananna
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1:15pm Tue 7 Dec 10

High Treason says...

This farce takes the spotlight of the council Mouchel story......how very convienient.
This farce takes the spotlight of the council Mouchel story......how very convienient. High Treason
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1:36pm Tue 7 Dec 10

scaff says...

if they had just paid as asked (for whatever reason) this wouldn't be in the echo or on radio 2....maybe they had attitude? hmmm
if they had just paid as asked (for whatever reason) this wouldn't be in the echo or on radio 2....maybe they had attitude? hmmm scaff
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1:49pm Tue 7 Dec 10

CourtOffside says...

scaff wrote:
if they had just paid as asked (for whatever reason) this wouldn't be in the echo or on radio 2....maybe they had attitude? hmmm
So they should just accept being treated differently because they are black - and if they don't they've got a bad attitude?

They would have accepted it if it was the restaurant's policy for every customer. It wasn't.
[quote][p][bold]scaff[/bold] wrote: if they had just paid as asked (for whatever reason) this wouldn't be in the echo or on radio 2....maybe they had attitude? hmmm[/p][/quote]So they should just accept being treated differently because they are black - and if they don't they've got a bad attitude? They would have accepted it if it was the restaurant's policy for every customer. It wasn't. CourtOffside
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2:01pm Tue 7 Dec 10

Local fan says...

This story has rightly been in the national press today.
This story has rightly been in the national press today. Local fan
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5:30pm Tue 7 Dec 10

SkyBlueCherry says...

clearly a racist incident as it fulfils the definition of such.
No more PizzaHut for me!
Players have always been great when I've seen them out/at the gym/on train etc so clear cut.
clearly a racist incident as it fulfils the definition of such. No more PizzaHut for me! Players have always been great when I've seen them out/at the gym/on train etc so clear cut. SkyBlueCherry
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6:29pm Tue 7 Dec 10

BubbaJay says...

I have absolutely no sympathy for Pizza Hut whatsoever. They have had numerous opportunities over the years to heed the complaints of customers and, more importantly, their own staff at that branch of Pizza Hut over this guy's behaviour towards customers and staff. Now that his behaviour causes embarrassment to the company itself, all of a sudden they're taking notice.
Too late, Pizza Hut. Serves you right. You should have had more concern for, and shown more respect to, your other employees.
I have absolutely no sympathy for Pizza Hut whatsoever. They have had numerous opportunities over the years to heed the complaints of customers and, more importantly, their own staff at that branch of Pizza Hut over this guy's behaviour towards customers and staff. Now that his behaviour causes embarrassment to the company itself, all of a sudden they're taking notice. Too late, Pizza Hut. Serves you right. You should have had more concern for, and shown more respect to, your other employees. BubbaJay
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6:58pm Tue 7 Dec 10

CC C-siders says...

Mike Pickering wrote:
I would have refused them service on the basis that they were professional sports-players and I have an unhealthy bias against professional sports, full-stop. Billions of man-hours are wasted on these purile games every year - time and effort that could be spent feeding the hungry (even with Pizza), providing clean water for everyone that needs it, improving our environment, educating and inspiring our children etc etc. Instead we project our regional allegiances onto a group of people who forego a meaningful life in lieu of playing games designed for adolescents , infantilising both those playing and spectating. Sport is ultimately a childish distraction from the real challenges and games in this world, where it's not points or goals that are earned but humanity and respect that is enriched.
Wow, talk about missing the point. What are you banging on about? What a load of sanctimonious clap trap.
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Sport actual helps to unite people, unlike anything else. You seem to take yourself far too seriously and expect everyone to sit around feeling guilty about the state of the world.
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Cheer up and get a life of your own before trying to right the rest of the world.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Pickering[/bold] wrote: I would have refused them service on the basis that they were professional sports-players and I have an unhealthy bias against professional sports, full-stop. Billions of man-hours are wasted on these purile games every year - time and effort that could be spent feeding the hungry (even with Pizza), providing clean water for everyone that needs it, improving our environment, educating and inspiring our children etc etc. Instead we project our regional allegiances onto a group of people who forego a meaningful life in lieu of playing games designed for adolescents , infantilising both those playing and spectating. Sport is ultimately a childish distraction from the real challenges and games in this world, where it's not points or goals that are earned but humanity and respect that is enriched.[/p][/quote]Wow, talk about missing the point. What are you banging on about? What a load of sanctimonious clap trap. . Sport actual helps to unite people, unlike anything else. You seem to take yourself far too seriously and expect everyone to sit around feeling guilty about the state of the world. . Cheer up and get a life of your own before trying to right the rest of the world. CC C-siders
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7:51pm Tue 7 Dec 10

BubbaJay says...

robman wrote:
saynomore wrote: You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on??
You obviously havn't followed the story, in the above establishments everyone is treated the same, ie pay on ordering. In Pizza Hut you pay on completion of the meal. The black players were treated differently to everyone else in the resturant, ie racist. Not to difficult for you to follow now.
That these guys were discriminated against seems irrefutable. However, it is not a foregone conclusion that it was racially motivated.
This branch of Pizza Hut has had long-standing problem of some customers leaving without paying.
Having had dealings with this manager in the past, I can assure you that he is such a cretin that he is unlikely to have considered that his attitude to these guys could be construed as racist.
If he felt intimidated in any way by their demeanour or even that they were simply bigger and stronger than him, it would be no surprise to me that he thought it might be a good time to invoke the bad advice from the police to ask for payment upfront.
The fault lies fairly and squarely with Pizza Hut who have ignored repeated reports that this guy is totally clueless about how to treat customers and staff with respect and common courtesy. So bad is he, that I would not be surprised to read that he suffers from Aspurger's Syndrome.
Given the problems they've had there, they should bring in a policy of charging everyone upfront, for fear of offending people like me, who wouldn't dream of doing a runner but would get upset if single out.
I wouldn't wish to see this guy sacked as I know he has young children, and because the biggest fault lies with Pizza Hut for not training him properly and for ignoring repeated complaints about him.
[quote][p][bold]robman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: You have to pay before you eat in KFC or Burger King even if you are eating in so whats the problem.Also in my excperience in some pubs like Elephant and Castle in West Moors or The Tap and Railway in the same location and The Harbour Lights in the Waterfront building and Debenhams and The Moon in the Square,and Weatherspoons on nPoole Quay, shall I go on??[/p][/quote]You obviously havn't followed the story, in the above establishments everyone is treated the same, ie pay on ordering. In Pizza Hut you pay on completion of the meal. The black players were treated differently to everyone else in the resturant, ie racist. Not to difficult for you to follow now.[/p][/quote]That these guys were discriminated against seems irrefutable. However, it is not a foregone conclusion that it was racially motivated. This branch of Pizza Hut has had long-standing problem of some customers leaving without paying. Having had dealings with this manager in the past, I can assure you that he is such a cretin that he is unlikely to have considered that his attitude to these guys could be construed as racist. If he felt intimidated in any way by their demeanour or even that they were simply bigger and stronger than him, it would be no surprise to me that he thought it might be a good time to invoke the bad advice from the police to ask for payment upfront. The fault lies fairly and squarely with Pizza Hut who have ignored repeated reports that this guy is totally clueless about how to treat customers and staff with respect and common courtesy. So bad is he, that I would not be surprised to read that he suffers from Aspurger's Syndrome. Given the problems they've had there, they should bring in a policy of charging everyone upfront, for fear of offending people like me, who wouldn't dream of doing a runner but would get upset if single out. I wouldn't wish to see this guy sacked as I know he has young children, and because the biggest fault lies with Pizza Hut for not training him properly and for ignoring repeated complaints about him. BubbaJay
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8:48pm Tue 7 Dec 10

noddyholder46 says...

Looks like a load of obnoxious, spoilt, arrogant boors were disturbing the staff and guests in a restaurant, and were treated accordingly.


The manager, like 99% of the rest of bournemouth, didn't recognise these not famous losers, and quite rightly gave them no leeway when they did identify themselves as nobodies.

The other guests in the restaurant were no doubt behaving in a more acceptable manner.

I think its shameful that the lowlifes then tried to play the discrimination card in an attempt to distract from their own behaviour..
Looks like a load of obnoxious, spoilt, arrogant boors were disturbing the staff and guests in a restaurant, and were treated accordingly. The manager, like 99% of the rest of bournemouth, didn't recognise these not famous losers, and quite rightly gave them no leeway when they did identify themselves as nobodies. The other guests in the restaurant were no doubt behaving in a more acceptable manner. I think its shameful that the lowlifes then tried to play the discrimination card in an attempt to distract from their own behaviour.. noddyholder46
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9:06pm Tue 7 Dec 10

WFC4ever says...

noddyholder46 wrote:
Looks like a load of obnoxious, spoilt, arrogant boors were disturbing the staff and guests in a restaurant, and were treated accordingly. The manager, like 99% of the rest of bournemouth, didn't recognise these not famous losers, and quite rightly gave them no leeway when they did identify themselves as nobodies. The other guests in the restaurant were no doubt behaving in a more acceptable manner. I think its shameful that the lowlifes then tried to play the discrimination card in an attempt to distract from their own behaviour..
You would be right to call them "losers" if you were talking about the England footbal team but this was a bunch of players from one of your local side who have be very much winners over the past 2 years or so!

All bar one of the previous posters were at the said incident so its a case of their word against the management but if the players were behaving badly why didn't the Pizza Hut manager just say so rather than making such a crass comment which can be mis-understood as an insult.
[quote][p][bold]noddyholder46[/bold] wrote: Looks like a load of obnoxious, spoilt, arrogant boors were disturbing the staff and guests in a restaurant, and were treated accordingly. The manager, like 99% of the rest of bournemouth, didn't recognise these not famous losers, and quite rightly gave them no leeway when they did identify themselves as nobodies. The other guests in the restaurant were no doubt behaving in a more acceptable manner. I think its shameful that the lowlifes then tried to play the discrimination card in an attempt to distract from their own behaviour..[/p][/quote]You would be right to call them "losers" if you were talking about the England footbal team but this was a bunch of players from one of your local side who have be very much winners over the past 2 years or so! All bar one of the previous posters were at the said incident so its a case of their word against the management but if the players were behaving badly why didn't the Pizza Hut manager just say so rather than making such a crass comment which can be mis-understood as an insult. WFC4ever
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9:07pm Tue 7 Dec 10

WFC4ever says...

sorry meant *weren't* at said incident....
sorry meant *weren't* at said incident.... WFC4ever
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9:46pm Tue 7 Dec 10

BubbaJay says...

WFC4ever wrote:
noddyholder46 wrote:
Looks like a load of obnoxious, spoilt, arrogant boors were disturbing the staff and guests in a restaurant, and were treated accordingly. The manager, like 99% of the rest of bournemouth, didn't recognise these not famous losers, and quite rightly gave them no leeway when they did identify themselves as nobodies. The other guests in the restaurant were no doubt behaving in a more acceptable manner. I think its shameful that the lowlifes then tried to play the discrimination card in an attempt to distract from their own behaviour..
You would be right to call them "losers" if you were talking about the England footbal team but this was a bunch of players from one of your local side who have be very much winners over the past 2 years or so!

All bar one of the previous posters were at the said incident so its a case of their word against the management but if the players were behaving badly why didn't the Pizza Hut manager just say so rather than making such a crass comment which can be mis-understood as an insult.
"...why didn't the Pizza Hut manager just say so...".

Because he doesn't have the inter-personal skills to do that. It no doubt went through his head that this group might be a problem and that this might be the time to invoke the ludicrous new policy of using his discretion and asking for payment up-front.
As a result, he totally fouled up and Pizza Hut have made the national press.
Their practice of employing completely unsuitable people to manage their branches, and not giving them sufficient training on how to interact with customers and staff, has led to this national embarrassment for them.

The old adage, "if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys" couldn't be more appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]WFC4ever[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddyholder46[/bold] wrote: Looks like a load of obnoxious, spoilt, arrogant boors were disturbing the staff and guests in a restaurant, and were treated accordingly. The manager, like 99% of the rest of bournemouth, didn't recognise these not famous losers, and quite rightly gave them no leeway when they did identify themselves as nobodies. The other guests in the restaurant were no doubt behaving in a more acceptable manner. I think its shameful that the lowlifes then tried to play the discrimination card in an attempt to distract from their own behaviour..[/p][/quote]You would be right to call them "losers" if you were talking about the England footbal team but this was a bunch of players from one of your local side who have be very much winners over the past 2 years or so! All bar one of the previous posters were at the said incident so its a case of their word against the management but if the players were behaving badly why didn't the Pizza Hut manager just say so rather than making such a crass comment which can be mis-understood as an insult.[/p][/quote]"...why didn't the Pizza Hut manager just say so...". Because he doesn't have the inter-personal skills to do that. It no doubt went through his head that this group might be a problem and that this might be the time to invoke the ludicrous new policy of using his discretion and asking for payment up-front. As a result, he totally fouled up and Pizza Hut have made the national press. Their practice of employing completely unsuitable people to manage their branches, and not giving them sufficient training on how to interact with customers and staff, has led to this national embarrassment for them. The old adage, "if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys" couldn't be more appropriate. BubbaJay
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9:46pm Tue 7 Dec 10

noddyholder46 says...

WFC4ever wrote:
sorry meant *weren't* at said incident....
no worries, its irrelevant anyhow - the one independent witness you refer to said the players were treated fairly given their poor behaviour!
[quote][p][bold]WFC4ever[/bold] wrote: sorry meant *weren't* at said incident....[/p][/quote]no worries, its irrelevant anyhow - the one independent witness you refer to said the players were treated fairly given their poor behaviour! noddyholder46
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10:57pm Tue 7 Dec 10

doodlescat says...

TinyLegacy wrote:
Good to see the race card being pulled out at the earliest opportunity again!
Must be wonderful to be so smug. Let's hope you never feel the sting of discrimination.
[quote][p][bold]TinyLegacy[/bold] wrote: Good to see the race card being pulled out at the earliest opportunity again![/p][/quote]Must be wonderful to be so smug. Let's hope you never feel the sting of discrimination. doodlescat
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11:24pm Tue 7 Dec 10

Up with the partridge says...

Local fan wrote:
This story has rightly been in the national press today.
Yep, just shows why they are so sluggish - full of Pizza.
[quote][p][bold]Local fan[/bold] wrote: This story has rightly been in the national press today.[/p][/quote]Yep, just shows why they are so sluggish - full of Pizza. Up with the partridge
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12:03am Wed 8 Dec 10

butlincat says...

Mountain out of a molehill. Meaningless. So many other important things should have been reported in the place of this tripe. Things are going on that the Echo wont report, and you should know. Im not getting banned from these comments again, as i dont like being banned from anywhere, so i have to shut up.
Mountain out of a molehill. Meaningless. So many other important things should have been reported in the place of this tripe. Things are going on that the Echo wont report, and you should know. Im not getting banned from these comments again, as i dont like being banned from anywhere, so i have to shut up. butlincat
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12:48am Wed 8 Dec 10

Gordon Clifton says...

The reaction of the police is a pointer to the truth. Had these blokes been sitting there like suited accountants, auditors or actuaries, black or white, I doubt that the police would have been called. Equally, I doubt that the police would have supported the manager in ejecting them. The latter point is key. I conclude that the footballers were behaving in a manner likely to cause disturbance, disruption and distress to others around them. Such behaviour, if it belongs anywhere, is best confined to a traditional spit 'n sawdust pub, not a family restaurant.
The reaction of the police is a pointer to the truth. Had these blokes been sitting there like suited accountants, auditors or actuaries, black or white, I doubt that the police would have been called. Equally, I doubt that the police would have supported the manager in ejecting them. The latter point is key. I conclude that the footballers were behaving in a manner likely to cause disturbance, disruption and distress to others around them. Such behaviour, if it belongs anywhere, is best confined to a traditional spit 'n sawdust pub, not a family restaurant. Gordon Clifton
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8:16am Wed 8 Dec 10

The Liberal says...

Gordon Clifton wrote:
The reaction of the police is a pointer to the truth. Had these blokes been sitting there like suited accountants, auditors or actuaries, black or white, I doubt that the police would have been called. Equally, I doubt that the police would have supported the manager in ejecting them. The latter point is key. I conclude that the footballers were behaving in a manner likely to cause disturbance, disruption and distress to others around them. Such behaviour, if it belongs anywhere, is best confined to a traditional spit 'n sawdust pub, not a family restaurant.
The players claimed in the story that they were dressed smartly. How can you possibly conclude that the players were behaving badly if you weren't there and are relying on the dubious 'eyewitness' report of another poster?
 
As for the police, they often get things badly wrong and will nearly always side with the proprietor in a case like this, no matter what the evidence.
[quote][p][bold]Gordon Clifton[/bold] wrote: The reaction of the police is a pointer to the truth. Had these blokes been sitting there like suited accountants, auditors or actuaries, black or white, I doubt that the police would have been called. Equally, I doubt that the police would have supported the manager in ejecting them. The latter point is key. I conclude that the footballers were behaving in a manner likely to cause disturbance, disruption and distress to others around them. Such behaviour, if it belongs anywhere, is best confined to a traditional spit 'n sawdust pub, not a family restaurant.[/p][/quote]The players claimed in the story that they were dressed smartly. How can you possibly conclude that the players were behaving badly if you weren't there and are relying on the dubious 'eyewitness' report of another poster?   As for the police, they often get things badly wrong and will nearly always side with the proprietor in a case like this, no matter what the evidence. The Liberal
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8:29am Wed 8 Dec 10

WFC4ever says...

Not ALL football or young men look like they are about to start a fight etc ....

Only one person was there so can really comment on how they were acting.

I have no problem with that suggestion but the manager didn't really need to add his extra comments.

A polite "please can you behave in front of the other customers" might have been more suited....and the poilice would have probably arrested them for public disorder had the players been acting much such a bad manner.
Not ALL football or young men look like they are about to start a fight etc .... Only one person was there so can really comment on how they were acting. I have no problem with that suggestion but the manager didn't really need to add his extra comments. A polite "please can you behave in front of the other customers" might have been more suited....and the poilice would have probably arrested them for public disorder had the players been acting much such a bad manner. WFC4ever
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9:32am Wed 8 Dec 10

sussexcherry says...

butlincat wrote:
Mountain out of a molehill. Meaningless. So many other important things should have been reported in the place of this tripe. Things are going on that the Echo wont report, and you should know. Im not getting banned from these comments again, as i dont like being banned from anywhere, so i have to shut up.
So you feel that you have been discriminated against for no good reason, isn't that what this story is about?? You have come on here saying it's not a story and then cried in your beer, pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]butlincat[/bold] wrote: Mountain out of a molehill. Meaningless. So many other important things should have been reported in the place of this tripe. Things are going on that the Echo wont report, and you should know. Im not getting banned from these comments again, as i dont like being banned from anywhere, so i have to shut up.[/p][/quote]So you feel that you have been discriminated against for no good reason, isn't that what this story is about?? You have come on here saying it's not a story and then cried in your beer, pathetic. sussexcherry
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10:31am Wed 8 Dec 10

kangman2012 says...

A brief comment: Reading between the lines it seems we have a perfect example of the "blame culture". Pizza Hut puts the blame on a group of people, this group of people put the blame on Pizza Hut - add to that a little sprinkling of the "racist" card by certain sources and you have the perfect "mountain from a molehill". For me it just sums up what a sad society we actually live in....!
A brief comment: Reading between the lines it seems we have a perfect example of the "blame culture". Pizza Hut puts the blame on a group of people, this group of people put the blame on Pizza Hut - add to that a little sprinkling of the "racist" card by certain sources and you have the perfect "mountain from a molehill". For me it just sums up what a sad society we actually live in....! kangman2012
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11:52am Wed 8 Dec 10

The Liberal says...

kangman2012 wrote:
A brief comment: Reading between the lines it seems we have a perfect example of the "blame culture". Pizza Hut puts the blame on a group of people, this group of people put the blame on Pizza Hut - add to that a little sprinkling of the "racist" card by certain sources and you have the perfect "mountain from a molehill". For me it just sums up what a sad society we actually live in....!
Yes, a sad racist society.
[quote][p][bold]kangman2012[/bold] wrote: A brief comment: Reading between the lines it seems we have a perfect example of the "blame culture". Pizza Hut puts the blame on a group of people, this group of people put the blame on Pizza Hut - add to that a little sprinkling of the "racist" card by certain sources and you have the perfect "mountain from a molehill". For me it just sums up what a sad society we actually live in....![/p][/quote]Yes, a sad racist society. The Liberal
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1:40pm Wed 8 Dec 10

WibbleFishBananna says...

Well said, if these prima donna's had just said OK and paid up front, there would have been no issue.
As it is people these days do not have the common sense or moral courage to accept the responsibility of their own actions and like to blame everyone else.
Read through the Bournemouth Echo site and you will see a lot of it, councils fault, schools fault, shops fault everyone else's fault, just not their own.
Well said, if these prima donna's had just said OK and paid up front, there would have been no issue. As it is people these days do not have the common sense or moral courage to accept the responsibility of their own actions and like to blame everyone else. Read through the Bournemouth Echo site and you will see a lot of it, councils fault, schools fault, shops fault everyone else's fault, just not their own. WibbleFishBananna
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1:44pm Wed 8 Dec 10

Jonkers says...

In Absentia wrote:
Perhaps AFCB fans should boycott that particular restaurant until Pizza Hut make a donation to a charity of the players choice?
Both of them?
[quote][p][bold]In Absentia[/bold] wrote: Perhaps AFCB fans should boycott that particular restaurant until Pizza Hut make a donation to a charity of the players choice?[/p][/quote]Both of them? Jonkers
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2:55pm Wed 8 Dec 10

themindboggles says...

This is very common in the hotel industry if a group seem young and maybe a bit of a risk they ask for a deposit for a room.

This is blown out of all perspective.
This is very common in the hotel industry if a group seem young and maybe a bit of a risk they ask for a deposit for a room. This is blown out of all perspective. themindboggles
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10:38am Thu 9 Dec 10

The Liberal says...

WibbleFishBananna wrote:
Well said, if these prima donna's had just said OK and paid up front, there would have been no issue.
As it is people these days do not have the common sense or moral courage to accept the responsibility of their own actions and like to blame everyone else.
Read through the Bournemouth Echo site and you will see a lot of it, councils fault, schools fault, shops fault everyone else's fault, just not their own.
The fact that you describe them as 'prima donnas' (when you don't even know them) shows just how prejudiced you are.
[quote][p][bold]WibbleFishBananna[/bold] wrote: Well said, if these prima donna's had just said OK and paid up front, there would have been no issue. As it is people these days do not have the common sense or moral courage to accept the responsibility of their own actions and like to blame everyone else. Read through the Bournemouth Echo site and you will see a lot of it, councils fault, schools fault, shops fault everyone else's fault, just not their own.[/p][/quote]The fact that you describe them as 'prima donnas' (when you don't even know them) shows just how prejudiced you are. The Liberal
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10:40am Thu 9 Dec 10

The Liberal says...

themindboggles wrote:
This is very common in the hotel industry if a group seem young and maybe a bit of a risk they ask for a deposit for a room.

This is blown out of all perspective.
Blown out of perspective? That's just your opinion.
 
It seems to me that if the players hadn't genuinely felt that this was a case of racial prejudice (whether it was or not), it's unlikely that they would have made such a fuss.
[quote][p][bold]themindboggles[/bold] wrote: This is very common in the hotel industry if a group seem young and maybe a bit of a risk they ask for a deposit for a room. This is blown out of all perspective.[/p][/quote]Blown out of perspective? That's just your opinion.   It seems to me that if the players hadn't genuinely felt that this was a case of racial prejudice (whether it was or not), it's unlikely that they would have made such a fuss. The Liberal
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12:46am Fri 10 Dec 10

slimline says...

Went into this Pizza Hut yesterday. Was really busy, so those who want a boycott aren't getting their wish. Bottom line is, people don't really care.
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The same ones who moan about Pizza Hut and swear they will never use it again, are the same one who moan about another tesco Express opening up. They swear they will never use them either, but they always do. Even if some stick to it, people won't care, as it means less people in the queue.
Went into this Pizza Hut yesterday. Was really busy, so those who want a boycott aren't getting their wish. Bottom line is, people don't really care. . The same ones who moan about Pizza Hut and swear they will never use it again, are the same one who moan about another tesco Express opening up. They swear they will never use them either, but they always do. Even if some stick to it, people won't care, as it means less people in the queue. slimline
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10:04am Sat 11 Dec 10

weevie says...

You know I doubt very much that these Footballers were treated differently "for a laugh", or "Just because". I seriously doubt it was because they are Black.

The trouble is - a quick glance and what do you see? A group of sports-gear (and don't forget the current thug fashion is JUST THAT) wearing young-men, probably laughing at something as they enter.

I'm sorry but my 1st reaction would not be a good one.
You know I doubt very much that these Footballers were treated differently "for a laugh", or "Just because". I seriously doubt it was because they are Black. The trouble is - a quick glance and what do you see? A group of sports-gear (and don't forget the current thug fashion is JUST THAT) wearing young-men, probably laughing at something as they enter. I'm sorry but my 1st reaction would not be a good one. weevie
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