£100m scheme unveiled for Bournemouth's Winter Gardens site

The former Winter Gardens site

The former Winter Gardens site

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A £100m scheme – billed as the biggest redevelopment Bournemouth has ever seen – is aiming to breathe new life into the Winter Gardens site.

The ambitious plans include at least one hotel, a multiplex cinema, quality grocery store, around 240 apartments, a public piazza, 26,000 square feet of restaurants, a ‘Rock and Bowl’ diner and bowling alley and an outdoor winter ice rink.

The vast majority of the site, which also includes Keystone House and Priory Road car parks, has already been bought by private pension fund A P Bond Children’s Settlement and they have agreed to buy the remainder from Bournemouth council. They are keen to create a lasting legacy for the town and stress this will not be an identikit development filled by the usual high street brands and chains.

Instead they are keen to offer prime sites to local, independent restaurants and cafes. They have also pledged there will be no takeaways and no bars.

Tony Ramsden, of Bournemouth-based Planning Solutions who are the sole planning, sales and letting agents, said: “We want to push this as a local, niche development for Bournemouth.

“The council always dreamed of a scheme like this but never had the money. Suddenly, someone has come along who is not driven by a load of shareholders in London but is local and loves the town. It’s almost like going back in time to the days of benefactors.

“This is a scheme driven by local people who don’t have a hidden agenda and know what the town needs.

“We don’t want something that could be anywhere. We need good quality anchor tenants but we also need it to be special.”

The scheme includes:

• One, possibly two hotels. Local companies are being offered the chance to get involved but an international chain has also expressed an interest.

• A multiplex cinema with between 10 and 12 screens. Two well-known local operators have expressed an interest.

• An indoor rock climbing wall.

• A food store. Talks are under way with a well-known quality retail grocer.

• Around 240 apartments, to be built by David Wilson Homes.

• A public piazza, with big screens that will show sporting events and concerts, and space to host live events, markets and street entertainers.

• A “Rock and Bowl” American sports diner with eight to 10 bowling lanes.

• A public walkway to the BIC and beach.

• A temporary outdoor ice rink from November to January.

• 26,000 square feet of commercial units, probably restaurants but possibly shops. Local companies, including Valentinos, are being given the first chance to get involved. A planning application is due to be submitted next March or April with a view to starting building work in 2013.

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9:01am Fri 26 Nov 10

Azphreal says...

Are the two well known local cinema operators the same ones who will also be going into the multiplex by the pavilion? Once again we see the council not thinking about other plans in the town. Just build it and hope its used!
Are the two well known local cinema operators the same ones who will also be going into the multiplex by the pavilion? Once again we see the council not thinking about other plans in the town. Just build it and hope its used! Azphreal
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9:03am Fri 26 Nov 10

EdBmth says...

Another proposed Multiplex Cinema. Weren't Trevor Osbourne planning to build on the Pavillion site now that the casino plan has been scrapped?

So is this what we can expect from the Town Centre Masterplan? Loads of duplicate developments and total lack of joined up thinking?
Another proposed Multiplex Cinema. Weren't Trevor Osbourne planning to build on the Pavillion site now that the casino plan has been scrapped? So is this what we can expect from the Town Centre Masterplan? Loads of duplicate developments and total lack of joined up thinking? EdBmth
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9:04am Fri 26 Nov 10

Nickolai says...

An American style sports diner ?
Aarrrghhh !
An American style sports diner ? Aarrrghhh ! Nickolai
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9:16am Fri 26 Nov 10

bobbins says...

Seems a lot of properties onto not a massive site whilst removing a lot of parking spaces. Where will the people park to use these 10-12 screens and 26000 square feet of restaurants?
Seems a lot of properties onto not a massive site whilst removing a lot of parking spaces. Where will the people park to use these 10-12 screens and 26000 square feet of restaurants? bobbins
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9:39am Fri 26 Nov 10

Peggy Babcock says...

And where does everyone park for this monster development?
And where does everyone park for this monster development? Peggy Babcock
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9:42am Fri 26 Nov 10

djdaface says...

You people moan if theres a development of bars, moan if theres developments not including bars, moan if theres cinema's moan if theres food, moan if theres not food, moan if theres nothing for kids to do, moan if theres no ice rink, moan if there is.

I enjoy a good moan on here, but you have to at least say something constructive!! Sadly most of the plans seen on here, I am yet to see any evidence of them appearing... But I am all for this, would be something that would interest me as an alternative to a night out drinking once a month.
You people moan if theres a development of bars, moan if theres developments not including bars, moan if theres cinema's moan if theres food, moan if theres not food, moan if theres nothing for kids to do, moan if theres no ice rink, moan if there is. I enjoy a good moan on here, but you have to at least say something constructive!! Sadly most of the plans seen on here, I am yet to see any evidence of them appearing... But I am all for this, would be something that would interest me as an alternative to a night out drinking once a month. djdaface
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9:52am Fri 26 Nov 10

JLC says...

Wow! Another vision for the town centre. Perhaps we could take all these unrealised visions and produce a game of "Bournemouth Town Centre Plans Top Trumps". I'll raise you my zinc tower, which beats your multiplex cinema on the old bus station. A cinema in the imax building beats one in the pavilion, but doesn't beat a waterpark in the same place. A clutch of independent shops on the westover always beats a piazza in the triangle.

How much money has been wasted with these "visions", none of which have become a reality? How about doing something decent with the town, like widening the car parking spaces so that you can fit a normal sized car in them (Q7).
Wow! Another vision for the town centre. Perhaps we could take all these unrealised visions and produce a game of "Bournemouth Town Centre Plans Top Trumps". I'll raise you my zinc tower, which beats your multiplex cinema on the old bus station. A cinema in the imax building beats one in the pavilion, but doesn't beat a waterpark in the same place. A clutch of independent shops on the westover always beats a piazza in the triangle. How much money has been wasted with these "visions", none of which have become a reality? How about doing something decent with the town, like widening the car parking spaces so that you can fit a normal sized car in them (Q7). JLC
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10:06am Fri 26 Nov 10

Esqui says...

I like this idea. The town centre could really do with a bowling alley, in particular.

I wonder what all the moaners would prefer? A cheese shop to go with their whine?
I like this idea. The town centre could really do with a bowling alley, in particular. I wonder what all the moaners would prefer? A cheese shop to go with their whine? Esqui
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10:21am Fri 26 Nov 10

The irate commuter says...

djdaface wrote:
You people moan if theres a development of bars, moan if theres developments not including bars, moan if theres cinema's moan if theres food, moan if theres not food, moan if theres nothing for kids to do, moan if theres no ice rink, moan if there is. I enjoy a good moan on here, but you have to at least say something constructive!! Sadly most of the plans seen on here, I am yet to see any evidence of them appearing... But I am all for this, would be something that would interest me as an alternative to a night out drinking once a month.
I agree, but then again this is Bmth Council we are talking about here !!! Not the best track record have they ??
[quote][p][bold]djdaface[/bold] wrote: You people moan if theres a development of bars, moan if theres developments not including bars, moan if theres cinema's moan if theres food, moan if theres not food, moan if theres nothing for kids to do, moan if theres no ice rink, moan if there is. I enjoy a good moan on here, but you have to at least say something constructive!! Sadly most of the plans seen on here, I am yet to see any evidence of them appearing... But I am all for this, would be something that would interest me as an alternative to a night out drinking once a month.[/p][/quote]I agree, but then again this is Bmth Council we are talking about here !!! Not the best track record have they ?? The irate commuter
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11:34am Fri 26 Nov 10

TheDistrict says...

Honestly. Most comments are sent in by those who read snippets of the story, and not take the whole thing into context. Firstly, nothing has been said about getting rid of the existing car park, or indeed, if such a complex is in the planning, I am sure anyone in their right mind will add space for car parking, or what is the use of a complex.
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Ice Rink. Yes, there is one being built at Kings Park, but look at both scenarios. Kings Park is a sports centre which will host Ice Hockey, and other ice shows. The one proposed for the Winter Gardens is a winter rink, probably made from the synethic materials used already in shopping centres, but on a larger scale. And of course it is a winter rink.
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Cinemas. The Odeon/ABC looked at the Pavilion complex, and that is all it was. They showed interest, and offered good prospects. But if there is a chance of a multic complex, then such operators as the Odeon/ABC will take a look. Remember part of the Town Vision is to hopefully turn Westover Road into a pedestrian walk way, with high class shopping the full length with outside catering for shoppers. One must also take into consideration that two cinema companies had shown interest. Odeon and ABC are one, the other option is the Empire, as at Tower Park.
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And what is wrong with 240 flats. Homes are needed, this is a fact, so the idean is warranted. At least flats will sell far quicker than Surf Pods.
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Who cares who builds it, as longs as they are using their money, then so be it. I think it is a good project for the town, and long time waiting.
Honestly. Most comments are sent in by those who read snippets of the story, and not take the whole thing into context. Firstly, nothing has been said about getting rid of the existing car park, or indeed, if such a complex is in the planning, I am sure anyone in their right mind will add space for car parking, or what is the use of a complex. . Ice Rink. Yes, there is one being built at Kings Park, but look at both scenarios. Kings Park is a sports centre which will host Ice Hockey, and other ice shows. The one proposed for the Winter Gardens is a winter rink, probably made from the synethic materials used already in shopping centres, but on a larger scale. And of course it is a winter rink. . Cinemas. The Odeon/ABC looked at the Pavilion complex, and that is all it was. They showed interest, and offered good prospects. But if there is a chance of a multic complex, then such operators as the Odeon/ABC will take a look. Remember part of the Town Vision is to hopefully turn Westover Road into a pedestrian walk way, with high class shopping the full length with outside catering for shoppers. One must also take into consideration that two cinema companies had shown interest. Odeon and ABC are one, the other option is the Empire, as at Tower Park. . And what is wrong with 240 flats. Homes are needed, this is a fact, so the idean is warranted. At least flats will sell far quicker than Surf Pods. . Who cares who builds it, as longs as they are using their money, then so be it. I think it is a good project for the town, and long time waiting. TheDistrict
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12:49pm Fri 26 Nov 10

Gastines2 says...

Deja-vu or what? Sounds almost identical to the scheme put forward in 1975,yes1975,and as usual with Bournemouth about 5% of the Developement done. If the Aechitects want the plans for the original scheme I have them to hand,they cost £2 at a car boot and it does appear that the Echo,who were offered the plans,don't wish to embarrass anyone by publishing them.
Deja-vu or what? Sounds almost identical to the scheme put forward in 1975,yes1975,and as usual with Bournemouth about 5% of the Developement done. If the Aechitects want the plans for the original scheme I have them to hand,they cost £2 at a car boot and it does appear that the Echo,who were offered the plans,don't wish to embarrass anyone by publishing them. Gastines2
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1:14pm Fri 26 Nov 10

BmthNewshound says...

Until the plans are submitted next year we won’t know what the final scheme will look like but it is almost certain that the grandiose scheme outlined will be watered down.
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As others have already commented there does appear to be an element of duplication with plans for this and for plan already announced for the Pavilion and Kings Park. The lack of joined up thinking could scupper any plans from coming to fruition as developers will be reluctant to go ahead with their plans if they don’t think that they will be able to get a good return on their investment.
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Bournemouth does need some new hotels but in the last six months the Echo has reported plans which would create over 500 additional hotel rooms. The Council don’t appear to have completed an impact analysis of all of these additional beds on existing hotels in the town and how to deal with the older hotels which may be forced to close. Or have these sites already been earmarked for yet more retirement flats ? If all the proposed plans go ahead the town will also have over 30 new restaurants plus those in the new hotels and dozens of new shops.
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What is concerning is that the Council has not considered the wider implications of its Town Centre Vision. Without exception the schemes currently proposed will create a large number of low paid jobs in retail and hospitality. With the lack of affordable housing in Bournemouth the town could face a housing crisis especially with the new crackdown on HMO’s. The Council can’t simply leave it to Dave Wells to meet the towns affordable housing needs. But affordable housing isn’t “sexy” so doesn’t feature in the Councils plans.
Until the plans are submitted next year we won’t know what the final scheme will look like but it is almost certain that the grandiose scheme outlined will be watered down. . As others have already commented there does appear to be an element of duplication with plans for this and for plan already announced for the Pavilion and Kings Park. The lack of joined up thinking could scupper any plans from coming to fruition as developers will be reluctant to go ahead with their plans if they don’t think that they will be able to get a good return on their investment. . Bournemouth does need some new hotels but in the last six months the Echo has reported plans which would create over 500 additional hotel rooms. The Council don’t appear to have completed an impact analysis of all of these additional beds on existing hotels in the town and how to deal with the older hotels which may be forced to close. Or have these sites already been earmarked for yet more retirement flats ? If all the proposed plans go ahead the town will also have over 30 new restaurants plus those in the new hotels and dozens of new shops. . What is concerning is that the Council has not considered the wider implications of its Town Centre Vision. Without exception the schemes currently proposed will create a large number of low paid jobs in retail and hospitality. With the lack of affordable housing in Bournemouth the town could face a housing crisis especially with the new crackdown on HMO’s. The Council can’t simply leave it to Dave Wells to meet the towns affordable housing needs. But affordable housing isn’t “sexy” so doesn’t feature in the Councils plans. BmthNewshound
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1:20pm Fri 26 Nov 10

LBUZZ CHERRY says...

Do you moaners sit by the PC foaming at the mouth waiting for the next story to come up?

Incredible. Seems like a decent, well balanced development to me. The area needs to be developed - or is the car park better?

Look forward for a change - you might like it!
Do you moaners sit by the PC foaming at the mouth waiting for the next story to come up? Incredible. Seems like a decent, well balanced development to me. The area needs to be developed - or is the car park better? Look forward for a change - you might like it! LBUZZ CHERRY
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1:54pm Fri 26 Nov 10

TRICKY747 says...

Esqui wrote:
I like this idea. The town centre could really do with a bowling alley, in particular.

I wonder what all the moaners would prefer? A cheese shop to go with their whine?
Love it!
[quote][p][bold]Esqui[/bold] wrote: I like this idea. The town centre could really do with a bowling alley, in particular. I wonder what all the moaners would prefer? A cheese shop to go with their whine?[/p][/quote]Love it! TRICKY747
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2:18pm Fri 26 Nov 10

TRICKY747 says...

The public piazza is a great idea. When I went to Bristol a month or so ago I was very impressed with the new Millennium Square development they have there. Lots of restaurants all in one area and a separate large open area with a giant tv screen showing news and sport all day. Having something like that in Bournemouth would be good.
The public piazza is a great idea. When I went to Bristol a month or so ago I was very impressed with the new Millennium Square development they have there. Lots of restaurants all in one area and a separate large open area with a giant tv screen showing news and sport all day. Having something like that in Bournemouth would be good. TRICKY747
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2:29pm Fri 26 Nov 10

Pippins says...

ok but this isnt actually going to happen is it?
ok but this isnt actually going to happen is it? Pippins
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3:48pm Fri 26 Nov 10

Afcbpete says...

Change is certainly needed, not sure this is it though, and no, i don't have alternatives. Still so long as it's not council money that has to be a plus, they have wasted enough millions over the last couple of years.
Change is certainly needed, not sure this is it though, and no, i don't have alternatives. Still so long as it's not council money that has to be a plus, they have wasted enough millions over the last couple of years. Afcbpete
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5:04pm Fri 26 Nov 10

KLH says...

A food store - talks are under way with a 'quality grocer' Who's that then? Waitrose? Be interesting if it is with Tesco in the Square.... ( and everywhere else!!)
A food store - talks are under way with a 'quality grocer' Who's that then? Waitrose? Be interesting if it is with Tesco in the Square.... ( and everywhere else!!) KLH
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8:29pm Fri 26 Nov 10

Bournefre says...

This sounds like a nice idea but isn't it basically what the Waterfront building was supposed to be?
I think the aforementioned should be knocked down and become the public piazza, while sporting events could be shown on the screens in the gardens, freeing up space for other attractions to be bigger and better, or for much needed parking.
The retail element could be reserved specifically for unique (ie absolutely NO chains of more than 2 stores) boutique shops selling individual items in the style of covent garden or what north laine in Brighton was like before the increases in rates forced many of the shops off the street and onto the internet.
This sounds like a nice idea but isn't it basically what the Waterfront building was supposed to be? I think the aforementioned should be knocked down and become the public piazza, while sporting events could be shown on the screens in the gardens, freeing up space for other attractions to be bigger and better, or for much needed parking. The retail element could be reserved specifically for unique (ie absolutely NO chains of more than 2 stores) boutique shops selling individual items in the style of covent garden or what north laine in Brighton was like before the increases in rates forced many of the shops off the street and onto the internet. Bournefre
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10:21pm Fri 26 Nov 10

Veryhappyincomer says...

Sounds nice, but we've heard similar claims before. I specifically remember that the old Avon Royal and Hazelwood Hotels on Christchurch Road at East Cliff would be replaced by a brand new 5 star hotel. What did we get? A Travel Lodge and yey another block of flats.
Sounds nice, but we've heard similar claims before. I specifically remember that the old Avon Royal and Hazelwood Hotels on Christchurch Road at East Cliff would be replaced by a brand new 5 star hotel. What did we get? A Travel Lodge and yey another block of flats. Veryhappyincomer
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10:26pm Fri 26 Nov 10

BmthNewshound says...

KLH wrote:
A food store - talks are under way with a 'quality grocer' Who's that then? Waitrose? Be interesting if it is with Tesco in the Square.... ( and everywhere else!!)
Waitrose would be welcome but don't forget that the new Tesco store in the square has been described as "up market" so it will probably just be another Tesco !
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: A food store - talks are under way with a 'quality grocer' Who's that then? Waitrose? Be interesting if it is with Tesco in the Square.... ( and everywhere else!!)[/p][/quote]Waitrose would be welcome but don't forget that the new Tesco store in the square has been described as "up market" so it will probably just be another Tesco ! BmthNewshound
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7:58am Sat 27 Nov 10

H2o-hara says...

Just another excuse to build 240 " more " flats ! And lets hope that there will be restaurants and " not " more night clubs !
Just another excuse to build 240 " more " flats ! And lets hope that there will be restaurants and " not " more night clubs ! H2o-hara
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8:02am Sat 27 Nov 10

H2o-hara says...

I would have thought this town could do with perhaps a Sport Centre ! I sure it will be put to good use !
I would have thought this town could do with perhaps a Sport Centre ! I sure it will be put to good use ! H2o-hara
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