Riders without lights putting lives at risk in New Forest

Bournemouth Echo: THE DARKNESS: Police stopped 125 cyclists without lights over the course of just one week in towns across the New Forest THE DARKNESS: Police stopped 125 cyclists without lights over the course of just one week in towns across the New Forest

CYCLISTS are putting lives at risk by riding without lights in the New Forest.

Police stopped 125 cyclists in Forest towns last week in a bid to get them to use lights and high-visibility clothing in the dark.

Sgt Phil Lamb said: “Cyclists who ride their bikes without lights in the dark are a hazard to themselves and other road users.

“They can also find themselves issued with fixed-penalty tickets or even appearing in court.”

The week-long operation was carried out in five towns at peak morning travel times with the final purge in New Milton on Friday.

Officers handed out safety advice and high-visibility jackets, rucksack covers or snap bands to help them to be seen.

This is important, respect is the key word. Everybody needs to take the time to respect those people around them and treat them in the way they want to be treated. When I drive I give cyclists space and treat them with patience. I do the same for other motorists; it makes my life and their lives a little easier and a little calmer. Try it some time, you might be surprised!

Why our cycling blogger David thinks its time to put the car v cyclist argument to bed. Click the link at the foot of the story

The AA’s head of road safety, Andrew Howard, said in the last quarter there was a one per cent increase in the number of accidents involving cyclists, which may indicate more people are taking to two wheels.

He welcomed the police initiative of giving out reflective kit and said: “Be seen and be safe is the message.”

Hampshire county councillor Mel Kendal said: “It’s so easy to make sure you’re visible in the dark, and it could save your life. Taking a few simple precautions will mean you’re much more visible to drivers.”

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New Forest Cycling Club secretary Peter Weaver said: “There is no reason not to be seen nowadays. Good lighting and bright clothing go together. Bike lights work better than ever before and are cheap to buy and to use.

“Batteries need replacing when they start to run down. It’s no use going out in the rain, or in fog, at night hoping a driver will see a dim glow from a dirt-covered lens.

“A small investment in front and back lights will help keep you safe.

“You not only risk your own life, but could also blight somebody else’s life if you cause an injury.”

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8:34pm Mon 8 Nov 10

Bournefre says...

Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays.
Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays. Bournefre
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8:48pm Mon 8 Nov 10

Jim_Springbourne says...

It's no better here. I nearly collided with a cyclist about an hour ago.. no lights, dark clothing and I didnt see him till the last second and had to slam the brakes on.
It's no better here. I nearly collided with a cyclist about an hour ago.. no lights, dark clothing and I didnt see him till the last second and had to slam the brakes on. Jim_Springbourne
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9:16pm Mon 8 Nov 10

Ukcheekymonkey says...

The idiots deserve to be prosecuted along with the fools who don't wear lids. Why isn't this happening?
The idiots deserve to be prosecuted along with the fools who don't wear lids. Why isn't this happening? Ukcheekymonkey
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12:13am Tue 9 Nov 10

Frank Spencer says...

Bournefre wrote:
Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays.
The flashing lights are great ~ really get riders noticed. In line with the ethos of this article. The road trafic act has been updated to include the use of flashing cycle lights. It would be good if more drivers were upto date with the RTAand had better driving skills ~ come on Echo how about a few more articles on this subject.
We know there are some who think they are above the law both cyclists and car drivers and not lighting up is foolish for both groups but far more dangerous to others in the case of a pooly or non lit car. How about the police pulling over a few more cars with faulty or poorly aligned lights ~ this is a more frequent problem even than unlit cyclists .
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays.[/p][/quote]The flashing lights are great ~ really get riders noticed. In line with the ethos of this article. The road trafic act has been updated to include the use of flashing cycle lights. It would be good if more drivers were upto date with the RTAand had better driving skills ~ come on Echo how about a few more articles on this subject. We know there are some who think they are above the law both cyclists and car drivers and not lighting up is foolish for both groups but far more dangerous to others in the case of a pooly or non lit car. How about the police pulling over a few more cars with faulty or poorly aligned lights ~ this is a more frequent problem even than unlit cyclists . Frank Spencer
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12:17am Tue 9 Nov 10

noddyholder46 says...

Not sure why people like ukcheekymonkey are getting so worked up.

Yes, bike lights are a sensible option. But cars should keep a look-out themselves. Street furniture such as bus-stops don't have lights, neither do kerbs or speed-humps, but drivers tend to see all those in good time. Keep your eyes on the road rather than the stereo or mobile, and you'll see those cyclists just as well in the dark.
Not sure why people like ukcheekymonkey are getting so worked up. Yes, bike lights are a sensible option. But cars should keep a look-out themselves. Street furniture such as bus-stops don't have lights, neither do kerbs or speed-humps, but drivers tend to see all those in good time. Keep your eyes on the road rather than the stereo or mobile, and you'll see those cyclists just as well in the dark. noddyholder46
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7:30am Tue 9 Nov 10

Ukcheekymonkey says...

Worked up? No
Cyclist? Yes

Also as a driver I see both sides of the fence and try not to be a menace to cars and try to give cyclists the space they should have.

A saint? Absolutely not. Sometimes I get it wrong. Who doesn't.

But if a cyclist wants to be irresponsible enough not to wear a helmet or be seen then a car will do a lot more damage to them in an accident.

I'd call that be concerned not being worked up. Sorry.
Worked up? No Cyclist? Yes Also as a driver I see both sides of the fence and try not to be a menace to cars and try to give cyclists the space they should have. A saint? Absolutely not. Sometimes I get it wrong. Who doesn't. But if a cyclist wants to be irresponsible enough not to wear a helmet or be seen then a car will do a lot more damage to them in an accident. I'd call that be concerned not being worked up. Sorry. Ukcheekymonkey
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7:56am Tue 9 Nov 10

Phixer says...

noddyholder46 wrote:
Not sure why people like ukcheekymonkey are getting so worked up.

Yes, bike lights are a sensible option. But cars should keep a look-out themselves. Street furniture such as bus-stops don't have lights, neither do kerbs or speed-humps, but drivers tend to see all those in good time. Keep your eyes on the road rather than the stereo or mobile, and you'll see those cyclists just as well in the dark.
'Street furniture such as bus-stops'


Are usually on the pavement, not on the road.

This is the time of year when low sun can prevent a clear view ahead. Wet dark evenings cause a dazzle from all the lights around.

If cyclists want to see their next Christmas then have to take responsibility for their own safety.
[quote][p][bold]noddyholder46[/bold] wrote: Not sure why people like ukcheekymonkey are getting so worked up. Yes, bike lights are a sensible option. But cars should keep a look-out themselves. Street furniture such as bus-stops don't have lights, neither do kerbs or speed-humps, but drivers tend to see all those in good time. Keep your eyes on the road rather than the stereo or mobile, and you'll see those cyclists just as well in the dark.[/p][/quote]'Street furniture such as bus-stops' Are usually on the pavement, not on the road. This is the time of year when low sun can prevent a clear view ahead. Wet dark evenings cause a dazzle from all the lights around. If cyclists want to see their next Christmas then have to take responsibility for their own safety. Phixer
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8:41am Tue 9 Nov 10

thevisitor says...

This is brill.....I think we are unlucky enough to have some of the worst drivers in the UK. Just spend 10 minutes doing nothing else but watching and you will be amazed! Yes motor vehicle drivers should undertake due care and attention however, I have no sympathy whatsoever for muppet cyclists that cannot be bothered to light up and become visible. I feel sorry for the poor driver that has to deal with the incident when he truly didnt see an unlit cyclist with a black hoody on! Friggin idiots
This is brill.....I think we are unlucky enough to have some of the worst drivers in the UK. Just spend 10 minutes doing nothing else but watching and you will be amazed! Yes motor vehicle drivers should undertake due care and attention however, I have no sympathy whatsoever for muppet cyclists that cannot be bothered to light up and become visible. I feel sorry for the poor driver that has to deal with the incident when he truly didnt see an unlit cyclist with a black hoody on! Friggin idiots thevisitor
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8:49am Tue 9 Nov 10

Tripod says...

To a Motorist a cyclist without lights is just a patch of dark on a background of dark. Doesn't matter how "hard" you look you ain't gonna see something that well Camouflaged.

Cyclists who decide it's safer (for them) to ride on the pavement are just transfering the danger to Pedestrians.
To a Motorist a cyclist without lights is just a patch of dark on a background of dark. Doesn't matter how "hard" you look you ain't gonna see something that well Camouflaged. Cyclists who decide it's safer (for them) to ride on the pavement are just transfering the danger to Pedestrians. Tripod
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9:05am Tue 9 Nov 10

Roginthesouth says...

Bournefre wrote:
Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays.
They are not “strobe lights” but flashing led’s, which are not only very effective, but also highly visible, which after all is the key purpose. So yes, they are very much preferred, and are also approved for use.
Any reports concerning “cycling” also prompt the usual “them” and “us” comments, which are totally unnecessary. I drive and also ride, but feel the police should be prosecuting more cyclists, rather than just stopping and advising. Regrettably I see more riders without lights, than I do with. As with bad drivers, start fining, which will make the risks not worth the penalties, and make the roads safer for everybody.
[quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays.[/p][/quote]They are not “strobe lights” but flashing led’s, which are not only very effective, but also highly visible, which after all is the key purpose. So yes, they are very much preferred, and are also approved for use. Any reports concerning “cycling” also prompt the usual “them” and “us” comments, which are totally unnecessary. I drive and also ride, but feel the police should be prosecuting more cyclists, rather than just stopping and advising. Regrettably I see more riders without lights, than I do with. As with bad drivers, start fining, which will make the risks not worth the penalties, and make the roads safer for everybody. Roginthesouth
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10:00am Tue 9 Nov 10

soapboxdave says...

noddyholder46 wrote:
Not sure why people like ukcheekymonkey are getting so worked up.

Yes, bike lights are a sensible option. But cars should keep a look-out themselves. Street furniture such as bus-stops don't have lights, neither do kerbs or speed-humps, but drivers tend to see all those in good time. Keep your eyes on the road rather than the stereo or mobile, and you'll see those cyclists just as well in the dark.
Bit of a nonsense comparison here, bus stops are not moving and dont fly out of side streets without looking, we all know where kerbs are, and speed humps are normally preceeded by warnings and white markings.
Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit.
The flashing lights are great but should also be accompanied by solid lights, I wonder what would happen if all if car drivers decided to drive with their lights flashing rather than staying on.
As seat belts have been around for years to save lives it about time that cyclists should be forced by law to wear helmets the same as motor cyclists, wear reflective clothing and have solid front and rear lights as well as flashing lights.
Car drivers who drive with no lights are prosecuted and rightly so, bikers should feel the same wrath.
Lastly, car drivers do keep their eyes on the road, its about time cyclists did the same, see and be seen was the old saying, most of todays cyclists dont know what this means, and quite a few do ride about with an ipod stuck in their ears, so far from being seen they cant hear anything either
All this seems logical in these days of nanny state health and safty
[quote][p][bold]noddyholder46[/bold] wrote: Not sure why people like ukcheekymonkey are getting so worked up. Yes, bike lights are a sensible option. But cars should keep a look-out themselves. Street furniture such as bus-stops don't have lights, neither do kerbs or speed-humps, but drivers tend to see all those in good time. Keep your eyes on the road rather than the stereo or mobile, and you'll see those cyclists just as well in the dark.[/p][/quote]Bit of a nonsense comparison here, bus stops are not moving and dont fly out of side streets without looking, we all know where kerbs are, and speed humps are normally preceeded by warnings and white markings. Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit. The flashing lights are great but should also be accompanied by solid lights, I wonder what would happen if all if car drivers decided to drive with their lights flashing rather than staying on. As seat belts have been around for years to save lives it about time that cyclists should be forced by law to wear helmets the same as motor cyclists, wear reflective clothing and have solid front and rear lights as well as flashing lights. Car drivers who drive with no lights are prosecuted and rightly so, bikers should feel the same wrath. Lastly, car drivers do keep their eyes on the road, its about time cyclists did the same, see and be seen was the old saying, most of todays cyclists dont know what this means, and quite a few do ride about with an ipod stuck in their ears, so far from being seen they cant hear anything either All this seems logical in these days of nanny state health and safty soapboxdave
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10:25am Tue 9 Nov 10

mikey2gorgeous says...

1. Lives are being put at risk by car drivers driving too fast for the conditions and without due care and attention. Cyclists are putting no-one's life at risk.
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2. If you can't see a bike, you can't see a pedestrian, animal, obstacle. You're going too fast, stop being selfish and drive properly.
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3. @soapydave, "Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit." - and posters to these forums tend to make stuff up to suit their own agenda with no evidence to back them up.
1. Lives are being put at risk by car drivers driving too fast for the conditions and without due care and attention. Cyclists are putting no-one's life at risk. . 2. If you can't see a bike, you can't see a pedestrian, animal, obstacle. You're going too fast, stop being selfish and drive properly. . 3. @soapydave, "Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit." - and posters to these forums tend to make stuff up to suit their own agenda with no evidence to back them up. mikey2gorgeous
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11:09am Tue 9 Nov 10

miltonarchers says...

Agree cyclists should use lights, whats the big problem? Not exactly a huge expense.

How about a crack down on idiot car drivers who drive with their front fog lights on. Why for pities sake? Dont they realise it marks them out as complete knobheads? At night, it increases dazzle for other road users, even worse in heavy rain.

Front fog lights are for use in poor visibility only, check out the Highway Code for when to use your front fog lights.
Agree cyclists should use lights, whats the big problem? Not exactly a huge expense. How about a crack down on idiot car drivers who drive with their front fog lights on. Why for pities sake? Dont they realise it marks them out as complete knobheads? At night, it increases dazzle for other road users, even worse in heavy rain. Front fog lights are for use in poor visibility only, check out the Highway Code for when to use your front fog lights. miltonarchers
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11:12am Tue 9 Nov 10

JJMcClure says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
1. Lives are being put at risk by car drivers driving too fast for the conditions and without due care and attention. Cyclists are putting no-one's life at risk.
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2. If you can't see a bike, you can't see a pedestrian, animal, obstacle. You're going too fast, stop being selfish and drive properly.
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3. @soapydave, "Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit." - and posters to these forums tend to make stuff up to suit their own agenda with no evidence to back them up.
Cyclists can put peoples lives at risk, their own! Cyclists have to take responsibility for their actions, it is not always the car drivers fault.
If a cyclist rides in the dark with out any lights, reflectors and is wearing dark clothing it can be very hard to see them.
I have seen a cyclist hit a person on a pedestrian crossing as they either didnt see or ignored a red light on a pedestrian crossing.
Car drivers have to take more care with cyclists by giving them more room and to keep a sharper eye out for them.
All road users have to take responsibility for their actions.
Before you accuse me of making things up I have seen both sides as I ride a bike and drive a car and see the best and worst of both.
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: 1. Lives are being put at risk by car drivers driving too fast for the conditions and without due care and attention. Cyclists are putting no-one's life at risk. . 2. If you can't see a bike, you can't see a pedestrian, animal, obstacle. You're going too fast, stop being selfish and drive properly. . 3. @soapydave, "Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit." - and posters to these forums tend to make stuff up to suit their own agenda with no evidence to back them up.[/p][/quote]Cyclists can put peoples lives at risk, their own! Cyclists have to take responsibility for their actions, it is not always the car drivers fault. If a cyclist rides in the dark with out any lights, reflectors and is wearing dark clothing it can be very hard to see them. I have seen a cyclist hit a person on a pedestrian crossing as they either didnt see or ignored a red light on a pedestrian crossing. Car drivers have to take more care with cyclists by giving them more room and to keep a sharper eye out for them. All road users have to take responsibility for their actions. Before you accuse me of making things up I have seen both sides as I ride a bike and drive a car and see the best and worst of both. JJMcClure
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11:32am Tue 9 Nov 10

soapboxdave says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
1. Lives are being put at risk by car drivers driving too fast for the conditions and without due care and attention. Cyclists are putting no-one's life at risk.
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2. If you can't see a bike, you can't see a pedestrian, animal, obstacle. You're going too fast, stop being selfish and drive properly.
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3. @soapydave, "Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit." - and posters to these forums tend to make stuff up to suit their own agenda with no evidence to back them up.
Bit like your ranting and raving supporting speed cameras then.
Obviously you haven't seen untold footage of cyclicts cutting through traffic, jumping red lights and flying out of side streets without looking, your problem is that you only see what you want to see to support you ranting and never see the bigger picture.
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: 1. Lives are being put at risk by car drivers driving too fast for the conditions and without due care and attention. Cyclists are putting no-one's life at risk. . 2. If you can't see a bike, you can't see a pedestrian, animal, obstacle. You're going too fast, stop being selfish and drive properly. . 3. @soapydave, "Cyclists on the other hand do shoot out of side roads without looking, cycle at speed through the middle of traffic and some, not all, jump red lights and then moan when they get hit." - and posters to these forums tend to make stuff up to suit their own agenda with no evidence to back them up.[/p][/quote]Bit like your ranting and raving supporting speed cameras then. Obviously you haven't seen untold footage of cyclicts cutting through traffic, jumping red lights and flying out of side streets without looking, your problem is that you only see what you want to see to support you ranting and never see the bigger picture. soapboxdave
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11:36am Tue 9 Nov 10

mikey2gorgeous says...

This is important, respect is the key word. Everybody needs to take the time to respect those people around them and treat them in the way they want to be treated. When I drive I give cyclists space and treat them with patience. I do the same for other motorists; it makes my life and their lives a little easier and a little calmer. Try it some time, you might be surprised!@JJMClure - why do you insist that bikes are a danger? There may be a few minor collisions but to read some of the posts here you'd think people were dying left right and center from being hit by bikes.
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As to putting your own life at risk - name one other activity where we are prevented from risking our own lives? Do you want to ban mountain climbing, horse riding, cake?? The law is not there to protect us from ourselves. It's supposed to protect us from others but the current attitude of posters here seems to be 'I want to drive my car how I like - if you're a vulnerable road user you should take responsibility for my inability to behave decently'.
This is important, respect is the key word. Everybody needs to take the time to respect those people around them and treat them in the way they want to be treated. When I drive I give cyclists space and treat them with patience. I do the same for other motorists; it makes my life and their lives a little easier and a little calmer. Try it some time, you might be surprised!@JJMClure - why do you insist that bikes are a danger? There may be a few minor collisions but to read some of the posts here you'd think people were dying left right and center from being hit by bikes. . As to putting your own life at risk - name one other activity where we are prevented from risking our own lives? Do you want to ban mountain climbing, horse riding, cake?? The law is not there to protect us from ourselves. It's supposed to protect us from others but the current attitude of posters here seems to be 'I want to drive my car how I like - if you're a vulnerable road user you should take responsibility for my inability to behave decently'. mikey2gorgeous
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11:41am Tue 9 Nov 10

mikey2gorgeous says...

@soapboxdave - yes they do that - and without causing harm to anyone else.
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Your problem is you're saying cyclists are a danger when doing this - they are not and you have no evidence (DofT, research articles etc) to back up your assumption.
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We trust pedestrians to do as they please, cyclists are just as vulnerable. We don't ever hear complaints of 'those bloody pedestrians darting across roads' etc. Because it doesn't harm or inconvenience you.
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For heaven's sake, why do we make bikers follow these laws? They do nothing for the safety for cyclists or others.
@soapboxdave - yes they do that - and without causing harm to anyone else. . Your problem is you're saying cyclists are a danger when doing this - they are not and you have no evidence (DofT, research articles etc) to back up your assumption. . We trust pedestrians to do as they please, cyclists are just as vulnerable. We don't ever hear complaints of 'those bloody pedestrians darting across roads' etc. Because it doesn't harm or inconvenience you. . For heaven's sake, why do we make bikers follow these laws? They do nothing for the safety for cyclists or others. mikey2gorgeous
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11:47am Tue 9 Nov 10

soapboxdave says...

mikey2gorgeous, Moordown says... why do you insist that bikes are a danger? There may be a few minor collisions but to read some of the posts here you'd think people were dying left right and center from being hit by bikes.
I believe that a young child was seriously injured by a cyclist breaking the law on the promenade during the summer and in daylight hours, I would'nt have called this a minor collision.
mikey2gorgeous, Moordown says... why do you insist that bikes are a danger? There may be a few minor collisions but to read some of the posts here you'd think people were dying left right and center from being hit by bikes. I believe that a young child was seriously injured by a cyclist breaking the law on the promenade during the summer and in daylight hours, I would'nt have called this a minor collision. soapboxdave
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11:49am Tue 9 Nov 10

GB916 says...

I believe the riding through traffic was featured on the TV not long ago,both Motor bikes and cyclists are allowed to do this if the traffic is stationary(but maybe someone else could confirm this,maybe the Echo),and do it in a safe manner,i agree there are some bad cyclists about,and when im on my bike i too think the other cyclists without lights and in dark clothing make me mad,and yes there are some bad drivers about,we all need to look out for each other,and more fines should be handed out to both parties,a no excuses rule should apply,no advice,you get an instant fine,as for the flashing lights,so far everyone i have asked about whether they see flashing lights on a bike or static,they say the flashing ones are more visible,flashing lights are not needed on cars,they are big pieces of metal,and if people cant see these with lights on,then they should not be on the road in the first place
I believe the riding through traffic was featured on the TV not long ago,both Motor bikes and cyclists are allowed to do this if the traffic is stationary(but maybe someone else could confirm this,maybe the Echo),and do it in a safe manner,i agree there are some bad cyclists about,and when im on my bike i too think the other cyclists without lights and in dark clothing make me mad,and yes there are some bad drivers about,we all need to look out for each other,and more fines should be handed out to both parties,a no excuses rule should apply,no advice,you get an instant fine,as for the flashing lights,so far everyone i have asked about whether they see flashing lights on a bike or static,they say the flashing ones are more visible,flashing lights are not needed on cars,they are big pieces of metal,and if people cant see these with lights on,then they should not be on the road in the first place GB916
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12:04pm Tue 9 Nov 10

JJMcClure says...

@mikey2gorgeous
The laws for cyclists are there to help to protect them from other road users as they are more vunerable than cars. The laws saying they needs lights at night is so that people can see them easier (yes car drivers do need to pay more attention). Making them stop at red lights helps stop them riding through red lights an getting hit by a car that had a green light.
If every cyclist who rode at night didnt have lights on then there would be more deaths. We shouldnt need these laws as it should all be common sense but we all know that not everyone (cyclist or car driver) has any common sense.
@mikey2gorgeous The laws for cyclists are there to help to protect them from other road users as they are more vunerable than cars. The laws saying they needs lights at night is so that people can see them easier (yes car drivers do need to pay more attention). Making them stop at red lights helps stop them riding through red lights an getting hit by a car that had a green light. If every cyclist who rode at night didnt have lights on then there would be more deaths. We shouldnt need these laws as it should all be common sense but we all know that not everyone (cyclist or car driver) has any common sense. JJMcClure
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12:07pm Tue 9 Nov 10

soapboxdave says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
@soapboxdave - yes they do that - and without causing harm to anyone else.
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Your problem is you're saying cyclists are a danger when doing this - they are not and you have no evidence (DofT, research articles etc) to back up your assumption.
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We trust pedestrians to do as they please, cyclists are just as vulnerable. We don't ever hear complaints of 'those bloody pedestrians darting across roads' etc. Because it doesn't harm or inconvenience you.
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For heaven's sake, why do we make bikers follow these laws? They do nothing for the safety for cyclists or others.
What an absolute load of old rubbish you come out with.
I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver.
Stuff d.o.f.t. evidence, the only evidence needed is what we see on the roads every day with regard to the stupid actions of some bike users.
Pedestrians, just the same as cyclists, are getting involved in accidents every day because of jay walking and not paying attention and in a lot of cases no blame is attached to the car driver.
If you have never seen or heard of pedestrians getting mowed down because they thought they were invinceable then you need to come back from whatever planet your living on.
A prime example is the recent littledown firework display, 10.00pm everbody was leaving and completely ignored the traffic light system, pedestrians were running across the road on green lights and then giving the finger to drivers when they nearly got hit.
Bikers and pedestrians should give consideration to their own actions when on the road just the same as drivers.
You say why make bikers follow laws, perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there.
The road is a dangerous place to be and there's no room on it for people who dont care or bother to give consideration to other users whether it be on 2 wheels or 4
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: @soapboxdave - yes they do that - and without causing harm to anyone else. . Your problem is you're saying cyclists are a danger when doing this - they are not and you have no evidence (DofT, research articles etc) to back up your assumption. . We trust pedestrians to do as they please, cyclists are just as vulnerable. We don't ever hear complaints of 'those bloody pedestrians darting across roads' etc. Because it doesn't harm or inconvenience you. . For heaven's sake, why do we make bikers follow these laws? They do nothing for the safety for cyclists or others.[/p][/quote]What an absolute load of old rubbish you come out with. I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver. Stuff d.o.f.t. evidence, the only evidence needed is what we see on the roads every day with regard to the stupid actions of some bike users. Pedestrians, just the same as cyclists, are getting involved in accidents every day because of jay walking and not paying attention and in a lot of cases no blame is attached to the car driver. If you have never seen or heard of pedestrians getting mowed down because they thought they were invinceable then you need to come back from whatever planet your living on. A prime example is the recent littledown firework display, 10.00pm everbody was leaving and completely ignored the traffic light system, pedestrians were running across the road on green lights and then giving the finger to drivers when they nearly got hit. Bikers and pedestrians should give consideration to their own actions when on the road just the same as drivers. You say why make bikers follow laws, perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there. The road is a dangerous place to be and there's no room on it for people who dont care or bother to give consideration to other users whether it be on 2 wheels or 4 soapboxdave
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12:16pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Sam Shepherd says...

Now folks, can we have a bit of consideration for each other please? You're allowed to disagree,of course, but please don't cross the line into attacking the person whose opinion you disagree with, regardless of how opposed you are to your fellow commenter's views. Thanks.
Now folks, can we have a bit of consideration for each other please? You're allowed to disagree,of course, but please don't cross the line into attacking the person whose opinion you disagree with, regardless of how opposed you are to your fellow commenter's views. Thanks. Sam Shepherd
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12:38pm Tue 9 Nov 10

idontknowifitistrue says...

They can only be killed or severely injured once, survival of the fittest comes to mind.
I agree that motorists perhaps ought to see them but dipped headlights and dark clothing is a recipe for disaster. What is this macho concept that only wimp cyclists travel at night with clear lighting front and rear and an item of reflective clothing?
They can only be killed or severely injured once, survival of the fittest comes to mind. I agree that motorists perhaps ought to see them but dipped headlights and dark clothing is a recipe for disaster. What is this macho concept that only wimp cyclists travel at night with clear lighting front and rear and an item of reflective clothing? idontknowifitistrue
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12:46pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Bob49 says...

I will push it further and call for a rrstriction on the use of 'personal stereos' by cyclists.

The lighting problem is not one of a few errant cyclists - it is the norm. A cyclist with lights is the exception. This at a time when high visibility vests and bike lights can be had for a quid each at any 'pound shop'.

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The use of headphones merely compounds that belief amongst many cyclists that it is the motorists job to avoid them - irrespective of their actions. Not being able to hear traffic or traffic warnings (horns) makes you a menace. I came through the Forest one evening last week just after the clocks had gone back and was shocked to see some halfwit cycling in the dark at rush hour near the Burley turn off with no lights, no light or reflective clothes either. I presume he was of the view that not everyone was as ignorant as him and so he would be safe.

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Maybe if the police took to confiscating the bikes as they do with uninsured cars we might see some response. And yes, before the usual suspects bleat I also cycle, so do see things from both sides.
I will push it further and call for a rrstriction on the use of 'personal stereos' by cyclists. The lighting problem is not one of a few errant cyclists - it is the norm. A cyclist with lights is the exception. This at a time when high visibility vests and bike lights can be had for a quid each at any 'pound shop'. . The use of headphones merely compounds that belief amongst many cyclists that it is the motorists job to avoid them - irrespective of their actions. Not being able to hear traffic or traffic warnings (horns) makes you a menace. I came through the Forest one evening last week just after the clocks had gone back and was shocked to see some halfwit cycling in the dark at rush hour near the Burley turn off with no lights, no light or reflective clothes either. I presume he was of the view that not everyone was as ignorant as him and so he would be safe. . Maybe if the police took to confiscating the bikes as they do with uninsured cars we might see some response. And yes, before the usual suspects bleat I also cycle, so do see things from both sides. Bob49
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1:08pm Tue 9 Nov 10

In Absentia says...

It's all very well warning people about being issued with a fixed penalty. How about actually issuing a few? These days it seems like cyclists who actually use lights are in the minority.
It's all very well warning people about being issued with a fixed penalty. How about actually issuing a few? These days it seems like cyclists who actually use lights are in the minority. In Absentia
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1:35pm Tue 9 Nov 10

tim_lennon says...

Bob49 said "The use of headphones merely compounds that belief amongst many cyclists that it is the motorists job to avoid them" ...

Is it not the duty of any road user to avoid running down someone else on the road, whether they be a cyclist, pedestrian, motorbike rider, or driver?

With the way most roads in Bournemouth are set up, it's unwise for cyclists to proceed without being 'properly illuminated'. However, that's very different from it being their responsibility if a driver - ideally with functioning headlights and a brain in his head - can't see what's in front of him.

Perhaps those calling for banning headphones will also stop the deaf from cycling?
Bob49 said "The use of headphones merely compounds that belief amongst many cyclists that it is the motorists job to avoid them" ... Is it not the duty of any road user to avoid running down someone else on the road, whether they be a cyclist, pedestrian, motorbike rider, or driver? With the way most roads in Bournemouth are set up, it's unwise for cyclists to proceed without being 'properly illuminated'. However, that's very different from it being their responsibility if a driver - ideally with functioning headlights and a brain in his head - can't see what's in front of him. Perhaps those calling for banning headphones will also stop the deaf from cycling? tim_lennon
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2:15pm Tue 9 Nov 10

mikey2gorgeous says...

@soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there."
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C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents?
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"I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver."
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Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'!
@soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there." . C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents? . "I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver." . Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'! mikey2gorgeous
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2:40pm Tue 9 Nov 10

chaisara says...

Why do some drivers think its cool to have 3 pairs of beaming headlights and for some cyclists being with lights is uncool.
Why do some drivers think its cool to have 3 pairs of beaming headlights and for some cyclists being with lights is uncool. chaisara
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2:43pm Tue 9 Nov 10

mikey2gorgeous says...

@Bob49: "...was shocked to see some halfwit cycling in the dark at rush hour near the Burley turn off with no lights, no light or reflective clothes either."
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Didn't get hit, didn't kill anyone, and more importantly... you SAW him!
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Sounds like you're defending my side of the argument there, Bob!
@Bob49: "...was shocked to see some halfwit cycling in the dark at rush hour near the Burley turn off with no lights, no light or reflective clothes either." . Didn't get hit, didn't kill anyone, and more importantly... you SAW him! . Sounds like you're defending my side of the argument there, Bob! mikey2gorgeous
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3:36pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Dorset Mitch says...

I might drive home later with no lights on, let the other drivers look out for me.
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Why so much objection to having 2 lights fitted to their push bikes? Wearing dark clothing wont help, what happens if Miss Daisy comes driving down the road, her eyesite wasn't what it used to be. every other motorist sees numpty riding along wearing dark clothing and has no lights on. Bang Miss Daisy hits the cyclist, worse case the cyclists family loose a loved one, best case it ends up in the Echo for another article to have this debate. Whereas if the cyclist had a couple of lights on their bike it might of saved their life?
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This goes for a number of different things, people need to take more responsibilty. If you play in the road expect to get run over.
I might drive home later with no lights on, let the other drivers look out for me. . Why so much objection to having 2 lights fitted to their push bikes? Wearing dark clothing wont help, what happens if Miss Daisy comes driving down the road, her eyesite wasn't what it used to be. every other motorist sees numpty riding along wearing dark clothing and has no lights on. Bang Miss Daisy hits the cyclist, worse case the cyclists family loose a loved one, best case it ends up in the Echo for another article to have this debate. Whereas if the cyclist had a couple of lights on their bike it might of saved their life? . This goes for a number of different things, people need to take more responsibilty. If you play in the road expect to get run over. Dorset Mitch
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3:44pm Tue 9 Nov 10

tim_lennon says...

Dorset Mitch, you go ahead and drive home with no lights. You'll be breaking the law and recklessly endangering others. A cyclist choosing not to light herself up like a Christmas tree is generally endangering only herself.

Cyclists aren't "playing in the road" - they are entitled to be there, and in any averagely lit street there is no excuse for hitting them, whatever they're wearing. Similarly for pedestrians.

Oh, or would you have pedestrians carry hi-viz just so they can be seen crossing a road at night?
Dorset Mitch, you go ahead and drive home with no lights. You'll be breaking the law and recklessly endangering others. A cyclist choosing not to light herself up like a Christmas tree is generally endangering only herself. Cyclists aren't "playing in the road" - they are entitled to be there, and in any averagely lit street there is no excuse for hitting them, whatever they're wearing. Similarly for pedestrians. Oh, or would you have pedestrians carry hi-viz just so they can be seen crossing a road at night? tim_lennon
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3:52pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Dorset Mitch says...

No but I would expect them to look when they cross, use proper crossing.
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If it is wet and there is oncoming traffic do you really expect drivers to always spot you IF YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF!!!!
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But that is what you are doing, cycling without lights, yes your life is the one that could be lost, what about your family they will be without you, the driver will be punished for something that could have been avoided (on both sides).
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No one is entitled to be on the road, it is a privilage not a right.
No but I would expect them to look when they cross, use proper crossing. . If it is wet and there is oncoming traffic do you really expect drivers to always spot you IF YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF!!!! . But that is what you are doing, cycling without lights, yes your life is the one that could be lost, what about your family they will be without you, the driver will be punished for something that could have been avoided (on both sides). . No one is entitled to be on the road, it is a privilage not a right. Dorset Mitch
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3:57pm Tue 9 Nov 10

tim_lennon says...

Mitch, in any circumstances, pedestrians should look before they cross the road. However, it's the same basic point: if you're driving, and it's wet, it is your responsibility to be able to stop your car in the distance you can see. Driving on a residential road, or one with lots of pedestrians nearby? Perhaps you should slow down!

And since most roads don't have marked crossings at any half-useful places, are you suggesting that pedestrians need to walk for miles just to use a crossing, on the basis that motorists shouldn't need to otherwise look for them?
Mitch, in any circumstances, pedestrians should look before they cross the road. However, it's the same basic point: if you're driving, and it's wet, it is your responsibility to be able to stop your car in the distance you can see. Driving on a residential road, or one with lots of pedestrians nearby? Perhaps you should slow down! And since most roads don't have marked crossings at any half-useful places, are you suggesting that pedestrians need to walk for miles just to use a crossing, on the basis that motorists shouldn't need to otherwise look for them? tim_lennon
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4:07pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Dorset Mitch says...

No what I am suggesting is the pedestrians use common sense before crossings, i.e. not between parked cars so they can see and be seen. I agree drive to the conditions, but so should cyclists, its dark (and wet at the moment) so why not have lights on their bike?
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Yes cars are bigger and heavier and there are a lot of people out there who should not have a licence (some might think I shouldn't because of what I have said) but that still doesn't remove the point they are still on the roads and could knock you off because you are not using common sense i.e. some lights on the bike, a helmet or some form of hi-visability clothing. It wont stop you being hit but will reduce the chances.
No what I am suggesting is the pedestrians use common sense before crossings, i.e. not between parked cars so they can see and be seen. I agree drive to the conditions, but so should cyclists, its dark (and wet at the moment) so why not have lights on their bike? . Yes cars are bigger and heavier and there are a lot of people out there who should not have a licence (some might think I shouldn't because of what I have said) but that still doesn't remove the point they are still on the roads and could knock you off because you are not using common sense i.e. some lights on the bike, a helmet or some form of hi-visability clothing. It wont stop you being hit but will reduce the chances. Dorset Mitch
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4:28pm Tue 9 Nov 10

EGHH says...

Please Mr Policeman can you start nicking cyclists who do not follow the Highway Code. Once a few dozen have been hauled up in front of the beak they may start to learn that are road users too.
Please Mr Policeman can you start nicking cyclists who do not follow the Highway Code. Once a few dozen have been hauled up in front of the beak they may start to learn that are road users too. EGHH
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5:23pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Azphreal says...

“They can also find themselves issued with fixed-penalty tickets or even appearing in court.” How about making it a fix penalty ticket at the very least not 'they can find themselves' i am not pro or anti either but i am sick of bikes flying down a path late a night with no lights or care for any people walking there. Pro bike people say 'car drivers think they rule the road' but try and put up with the mouth from someone on a bike when they have had to slow down on stop because you have not moved out of their way. How about the morons who shoot past you from behind with no warning and the fact that the police do nothing about it makes them think its ok!
“They can also find themselves issued with fixed-penalty tickets or even appearing in court.” How about making it a fix penalty ticket at the very least not 'they can find themselves' i am not pro or anti either but i am sick of bikes flying down a path late a night with no lights or care for any people walking there. Pro bike people say 'car drivers think they rule the road' but try and put up with the mouth from someone on a bike when they have had to slow down on stop because you have not moved out of their way. How about the morons who shoot past you from behind with no warning and the fact that the police do nothing about it makes them think its ok! Azphreal
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7:01pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Pippins says...

I walk to and from work every day covering about 2 miles each way and I have been knocked over by a bike on the pavement when i walked out of my driveway, hit by bikes TWICE on the pavement going round a corner, nearly collided with bikes a few times on pedestrian crossing because they've ignored the red light and nearly walked out in front of one when crossing the road becuase they had no lights on a road with no street lights so only saw him at the last minute.

I'm not saying that car drivers are perfect but I have yet to have an incident with a car.
I walk to and from work every day covering about 2 miles each way and I have been knocked over by a bike on the pavement when i walked out of my driveway, hit by bikes TWICE on the pavement going round a corner, nearly collided with bikes a few times on pedestrian crossing because they've ignored the red light and nearly walked out in front of one when crossing the road becuase they had no lights on a road with no street lights so only saw him at the last minute. I'm not saying that car drivers are perfect but I have yet to have an incident with a car. Pippins
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7:16pm Tue 9 Nov 10

jamrejar says...

I nearly hit a cyclist in the forest at the weekend no lights on their bike. I also regularly have near misses with cyclist in the Bournemouth area as my job entails driving around to see my patients. My question is.... If I knock a cyclist down and injur them or god forbid kill them, Who is in the wrong? Who will be prosecuted? Should I feel guilty for the rest of my life if I wasn't in the wrong? The police do absolutely nothing about cyclists with no lights and yet everyday I have a near miss with a cyclist with no lights. Should lights be made as a standard fixture on bikes to avoid ignorance and accidents? It used to be that at school you had to pass a profficiency test prior to being able to ride your bike to and from school. Do they still happen? Parents should also take responsibility for their kids. Do they care that there is a chance that their child could be involved in an accident. I know I'm having a rant but I feel so strongly about this issue, and the chance that I hit a cyclist is so high in the job that I have and it scares me.
I nearly hit a cyclist in the forest at the weekend no lights on their bike. I also regularly have near misses with cyclist in the Bournemouth area as my job entails driving around to see my patients. My question is.... If I knock a cyclist down and injur them or god forbid kill them, Who is in the wrong? Who will be prosecuted? Should I feel guilty for the rest of my life if I wasn't in the wrong? The police do absolutely nothing about cyclists with no lights and yet everyday I have a near miss with a cyclist with no lights. Should lights be made as a standard fixture on bikes to avoid ignorance and accidents? It used to be that at school you had to pass a profficiency test prior to being able to ride your bike to and from school. Do they still happen? Parents should also take responsibility for their kids. Do they care that there is a chance that their child could be involved in an accident. I know I'm having a rant but I feel so strongly about this issue, and the chance that I hit a cyclist is so high in the job that I have and it scares me. jamrejar
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7:46pm Tue 9 Nov 10

soapboxdave says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
@soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there."
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C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents?
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"I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver."
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Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'!
The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them.
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: @soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there." . C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents? . "I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver." . Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'![/p][/quote]The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them. soapboxdave
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8:50pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Bournefre says...

Roginthesouth wrote:
Bournefre wrote:
Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays.
They are not “strobe lights” but flashing led’s, which are not only very effective, but also highly visible, which after all is the key purpose. So yes, they are very much preferred, and are also approved for use.
Any reports concerning “cycling” also prompt the usual “them” and “us” comments, which are totally unnecessary. I drive and also ride, but feel the police should be prosecuting more cyclists, rather than just stopping and advising. Regrettably I see more riders without lights, than I do with. As with bad drivers, start fining, which will make the risks not worth the penalties, and make the roads safer for everybody.
A modern strobe light IS a flashing LED light which is why I referred to flashing LED lights used on bicycles as 'strobe lights'.
In the dark it can be difficult to see exactly what is producing an intense white (almost blue) flashing light coming up behind; what they are "effective" at doing is distracting motorists attention from the road in front, with a view to hastily pull in to the kerb, which would cause cyclists to either swerve into the middle of the road (dangerous) or onto the pavement (dangerous).
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I agree that cyclists need to be 'visible', but not to attract attention to themselves - they should integrate with other road users.
[quote][p][bold]Roginthesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bournefre[/bold] wrote: Note that is "BIKE LIGHTS" and not the strobe lights that most cyclists seem to prefer nowadays.[/p][/quote]They are not “strobe lights” but flashing led’s, which are not only very effective, but also highly visible, which after all is the key purpose. So yes, they are very much preferred, and are also approved for use. Any reports concerning “cycling” also prompt the usual “them” and “us” comments, which are totally unnecessary. I drive and also ride, but feel the police should be prosecuting more cyclists, rather than just stopping and advising. Regrettably I see more riders without lights, than I do with. As with bad drivers, start fining, which will make the risks not worth the penalties, and make the roads safer for everybody.[/p][/quote]A modern strobe light IS a flashing LED light which is why I referred to flashing LED lights used on bicycles as 'strobe lights'. In the dark it can be difficult to see exactly what is producing an intense white (almost blue) flashing light coming up behind; what they are "effective" at doing is distracting motorists attention from the road in front, with a view to hastily pull in to the kerb, which would cause cyclists to either swerve into the middle of the road (dangerous) or onto the pavement (dangerous). . I agree that cyclists need to be 'visible', but not to attract attention to themselves - they should integrate with other road users. Bournefre
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9:33pm Tue 9 Nov 10

mmmmmmm says...

You people are pathetic with all your "i never ride a bike,but i often nearly kill them and think io know better than them what they should wear adn how they should ride

You don't know anything about how to ride bikes,and you're jealous of cyclist's freedom.
You people are pathetic with all your "i never ride a bike,but i often nearly kill them and think io know better than them what they should wear adn how they should ride You don't know anything about how to ride bikes,and you're jealous of cyclist's freedom. mmmmmmm
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11:23pm Tue 9 Nov 10

captsanders says...

Shoot them all, there a pain in the proverbial backside, always whinging about drivers nearly hitting them, well get off our roads and stick to your cycle paths that have been constructed at great expense, cycle across fields or on pavements, just get out of our dam way, your worse than caravaner's, always blocking the way with your silly little helmets and stupid flashing lights, wobbling your way down the road, you wanna cycle in safety go and live on Sark where there are no cars.
Shoot them all, there a pain in the proverbial backside, always whinging about drivers nearly hitting them, well get off our roads and stick to your cycle paths that have been constructed at great expense, cycle across fields or on pavements, just get out of our dam way, your worse than caravaner's, always blocking the way with your silly little helmets and stupid flashing lights, wobbling your way down the road, you wanna cycle in safety go and live on Sark where there are no cars. captsanders
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8:56am Wed 10 Nov 10

mikey2gorgeous says...

soapboxdave wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
@soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there."
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C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents?
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"I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver."
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Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'!
The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them.
So your only example is a child who suffered some minor cuts to her ear?
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No-one here condones irresponsibility. The cyclists concerned went back to apologise. By all accounts a simple accident with no serious injuries.
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In the meantime we see day after day stories of people seriously injured or killed on the roads.
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Is that the only example you have?
[quote][p][bold]soapboxdave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: @soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there." . C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents? . "I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver." . Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'![/p][/quote]The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them.[/p][/quote]So your only example is a child who suffered some minor cuts to her ear? . No-one here condones irresponsibility. The cyclists concerned went back to apologise. By all accounts a simple accident with no serious injuries. . In the meantime we see day after day stories of people seriously injured or killed on the roads. . Is that the only example you have? mikey2gorgeous
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9:08am Wed 10 Nov 10

mmmmmmm says...

captsanders, bearcross says...
11:23pm Tue 9 Nov 10

Shoot them all, there a pain in the proverbial

Unlike motorists,who are a joy to share the world with.
captsanders, bearcross says... 11:23pm Tue 9 Nov 10 Shoot them all, there a pain in the proverbial Unlike motorists,who are a joy to share the world with. mmmmmmm
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9:59am Wed 10 Nov 10

mikey2gorgeous says...

If we brought in blanket 20mph limits in urban areas we wouldn't have anywhere near the number of KSIs.
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How many column (& forum) inches dedicated to 'road safety' and it's not mentioned once.
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Heaven forfend we should inconvenience motorists in a way that decreases the risk they pose to others!
If we brought in blanket 20mph limits in urban areas we wouldn't have anywhere near the number of KSIs. . How many column (& forum) inches dedicated to 'road safety' and it's not mentioned once. . Heaven forfend we should inconvenience motorists in a way that decreases the risk they pose to others! mikey2gorgeous
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11:54am Wed 10 Nov 10

hammer says...

mmmmmmmmm comment - jealous of cyclist's freedom - that really is pathetic. It is quite simple.....if it is dark and cyclists do not make themselves visible to other road users and pedestrians then they could cause an accident and injure themselves and other road users......... Cars and motorbikes have to have lights on at night ( I ride a motorbike and have lights on during the day so I am more visible to other road users) so why should cyclists be any different.......... I bet the cyclists who do not have lights are the same cyclists that I see nearly every day going through red traffic lights at four way junctions - it makes my blood boil! I lost my son two years ago in a RTC - he was riding a mountain bike and was wearing a helmet but that did not save him! Why do cyclists want to endanger their lives any more than they have to???? I don't understand.
mmmmmmmmm comment - jealous of cyclist's freedom - that really is pathetic. It is quite simple.....if it is dark and cyclists do not make themselves visible to other road users and pedestrians then they could cause an accident and injure themselves and other road users......... Cars and motorbikes have to have lights on at night ( I ride a motorbike and have lights on during the day so I am more visible to other road users) so why should cyclists be any different.......... I bet the cyclists who do not have lights are the same cyclists that I see nearly every day going through red traffic lights at four way junctions - it makes my blood boil! I lost my son two years ago in a RTC - he was riding a mountain bike and was wearing a helmet but that did not save him! Why do cyclists want to endanger their lives any more than they have to???? I don't understand. hammer
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12:00pm Wed 10 Nov 10

soapboxdave says...

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
soapboxdave wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
@soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there."
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C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents?
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"I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver."
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Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'!
The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them.
So your only example is a child who suffered some minor cuts to her ear?
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No-one here condones irresponsibility. The cyclists concerned went back to apologise. By all accounts a simple accident with no serious injuries.
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In the meantime we see day after day stories of people seriously injured or killed on the roads.
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Is that the only example you have?
A simple accident, a cyclist allegedly speeding on the prom when he should'nt have been and a child knocked over. he may have stopped to apologise but was ordered to leave before the childs father decked him, a natural reaction, it was'nt simply a cut it was a deep cut right through the ear coupled with other cuts and bruises and an overnight stay in hospital, quite traumatic for a two year old.
I notice that you never trivialize these types of accidents when commenting about motorists and speed cameras, obviously its of little concern to you when a child is injured and the offender is just a simple cycle.
As far as justifing this accident by saying that the cyclist went back to apologise, i notice that the cyclist was never man enough to come forward when asked by the police to do so, very heroic of him
[quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soapboxdave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: @soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there." . C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents? . "I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver." . Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'![/p][/quote]The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them.[/p][/quote]So your only example is a child who suffered some minor cuts to her ear? . No-one here condones irresponsibility. The cyclists concerned went back to apologise. By all accounts a simple accident with no serious injuries. . In the meantime we see day after day stories of people seriously injured or killed on the roads. . Is that the only example you have?[/p][/quote]A simple accident, a cyclist allegedly speeding on the prom when he should'nt have been and a child knocked over. he may have stopped to apologise but was ordered to leave before the childs father decked him, a natural reaction, it was'nt simply a cut it was a deep cut right through the ear coupled with other cuts and bruises and an overnight stay in hospital, quite traumatic for a two year old. I notice that you never trivialize these types of accidents when commenting about motorists and speed cameras, obviously its of little concern to you when a child is injured and the offender is just a simple cycle. As far as justifing this accident by saying that the cyclist went back to apologise, i notice that the cyclist was never man enough to come forward when asked by the police to do so, very heroic of him soapboxdave
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6:45pm Wed 10 Nov 10

ranger_bob says...

soapboxdave wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
soapboxdave wrote:
mikey2gorgeous wrote:
@soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there."
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C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents?
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"I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver."
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Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'!
The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them.
So your only example is a child who suffered some minor cuts to her ear?
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No-one here condones irresponsibility. The cyclists concerned went back to apologise. By all accounts a simple accident with no serious injuries.
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In the meantime we see day after day stories of people seriously injured or killed on the roads.
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Is that the only example you have?
A simple accident, a cyclist allegedly speeding on the prom when he should'nt have been and a child knocked over. he may have stopped to apologise but was ordered to leave before the childs father decked him, a natural reaction, it was'nt simply a cut it was a deep cut right through the ear coupled with other cuts and bruises and an overnight stay in hospital, quite traumatic for a two year old.
I notice that you never trivialize these types of accidents when commenting about motorists and speed cameras, obviously its of little concern to you when a child is injured and the offender is just a simple cycle.
As far as justifing this accident by saying that the cyclist went back to apologise, i notice that the cyclist was never man enough to come forward when asked by the police to do so, very heroic of him
This would be the child that was running around unsupervised on the prom would it?
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I have seen so many children running around the prom unsupervised and even had parents deliberately call their children across the prom in front of me as I've been cycling along.
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Whilst we are on the subject of lights though please explain to me the justice of my wife being knocked off her bike as she rode properly along the road whilst wearing a cycle hemet, reflective high vis jacket and had lights on her bike. And guess what? The driver didn't even bother stopping.
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So to all the bike haters out there please remember not all cyclists are bad and I'll remember that not all drivers are bad.
[quote][p][bold]soapboxdave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soapboxdave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikey2gorgeous[/bold] wrote: @soapboxdave, "perhaps you like to see people knocked flying in the Boscombe precinct when they ignor the law not to ride through there." . C'mon then, give us some references to actual incidents? . "I'm not saying cyclists are a danger to me, they are a danger to themselves and sometimes others, just the same as a drunk driver." . Sorry, Sam, but soapydave's not exactly doing himself any favours with his 'arguments'![/p][/quote]The child on Bournemouth prom and many others have been in the echo over the years, perhaps you should try reading the stories before commenting on them.[/p][/quote]So your only example is a child who suffered some minor cuts to her ear? . No-one here condones irresponsibility. The cyclists concerned went back to apologise. By all accounts a simple accident with no serious injuries. . In the meantime we see day after day stories of people seriously injured or killed on the roads. . Is that the only example you have?[/p][/quote]A simple accident, a cyclist allegedly speeding on the prom when he should'nt have been and a child knocked over. he may have stopped to apologise but was ordered to leave before the childs father decked him, a natural reaction, it was'nt simply a cut it was a deep cut right through the ear coupled with other cuts and bruises and an overnight stay in hospital, quite traumatic for a two year old. I notice that you never trivialize these types of accidents when commenting about motorists and speed cameras, obviously its of little concern to you when a child is injured and the offender is just a simple cycle. As far as justifing this accident by saying that the cyclist went back to apologise, i notice that the cyclist was never man enough to come forward when asked by the police to do so, very heroic of him[/p][/quote]This would be the child that was running around unsupervised on the prom would it? .. I have seen so many children running around the prom unsupervised and even had parents deliberately call their children across the prom in front of me as I've been cycling along. .. Whilst we are on the subject of lights though please explain to me the justice of my wife being knocked off her bike as she rode properly along the road whilst wearing a cycle hemet, reflective high vis jacket and had lights on her bike. And guess what? The driver didn't even bother stopping. .. So to all the bike haters out there please remember not all cyclists are bad and I'll remember that not all drivers are bad. ranger_bob
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9:39pm Wed 10 Nov 10

dorsetspeed says...

It is those in charge of large, heavy, vehicles easily capable of high speeds, who can do the most damage. If a drunk cyclist, listening to rave music at high volume on headphones, and texting, suddenly moves into the middle of the road, in front of me, even if in the dark with dark clothes, I have a responsibility, if I am capable, not to kill him (even if some might think he might deserve it).
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It requires no different skill or attention than avoiding an animal, or any other unexpected hazard, which won't necessarily be lit and which all drivers should be naturally aware of all of the time.
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If a driver hits a cyclist, the blame may be somewhere between them. But I’d like to think, a cyclist would have to do something really, really, stupid, before I would be likely to hit them, and if it was purely that they were not wearing a high vis jacket, or lights, I’d blame myself. There is a lot of very bad driving, and this does need targeting, properly.
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You need to drive so that you can stop in the distance you can see is clear ahead, and into which that are no obvious opportunities for others to enter, either rightly or wrongly. If everyone drives defensively, there really would be extremely low numbers of accidents.
It is those in charge of large, heavy, vehicles easily capable of high speeds, who can do the most damage. If a drunk cyclist, listening to rave music at high volume on headphones, and texting, suddenly moves into the middle of the road, in front of me, even if in the dark with dark clothes, I have a responsibility, if I am capable, not to kill him (even if some might think he might deserve it). . It requires no different skill or attention than avoiding an animal, or any other unexpected hazard, which won't necessarily be lit and which all drivers should be naturally aware of all of the time. . If a driver hits a cyclist, the blame may be somewhere between them. But I’d like to think, a cyclist would have to do something really, really, stupid, before I would be likely to hit them, and if it was purely that they were not wearing a high vis jacket, or lights, I’d blame myself. There is a lot of very bad driving, and this does need targeting, properly. . You need to drive so that you can stop in the distance you can see is clear ahead, and into which that are no obvious opportunities for others to enter, either rightly or wrongly. If everyone drives defensively, there really would be extremely low numbers of accidents. dorsetspeed
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6:57pm Sat 13 Nov 10

T.BH1 says...

captsanders wrote:
Shoot them all, there a pain in the proverbial backside, always whinging about drivers nearly hitting them, well get off our roads and stick to your cycle paths that have been constructed at great expense, cycle across fields or on pavements, just get out of our dam way, your worse than caravaner's, always blocking the way with your silly little helmets and stupid flashing lights, wobbling your way down the road, you wanna cycle in safety go and live on Sark where there are no cars.
Hah, funny guy
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I think the majority of the above commenters need to head over here instead: http://www.dailymail
.co.uk
[quote][p][bold]captsanders[/bold] wrote: Shoot them all, there a pain in the proverbial backside, always whinging about drivers nearly hitting them, well get off our roads and stick to your cycle paths that have been constructed at great expense, cycle across fields or on pavements, just get out of our dam way, your worse than caravaner's, always blocking the way with your silly little helmets and stupid flashing lights, wobbling your way down the road, you wanna cycle in safety go and live on Sark where there are no cars.[/p][/quote]Hah, funny guy . I think the majority of the above commenters need to head over here instead: http://www.dailymail .co.uk T.BH1
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