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Is it the right time for Poole and Bournemouth to merge?

BOURNEMOUTH and Poole councils should merge together to save money and protect frontline services, it is claimed.

With all councils facing massive cuts in their budgets, both Bournemouth and Poole are being urged to seriously consider joining forces in a move that could potentially save millions in staff costs.

It comes as Christchurch and East Dorset councils announce plans to share services and a senior manager team.

West Dorset and Weymouth are also set to do the same.

And three London borough councils – Westminster, Hammersmith and Fulham, and Kensington and Chelsea – are considering a merger that would create the UK’s first “super council” and save up to £100m.

Now there is a growing campaign for Bournemouth and Poole to follow suit, starting by delivering joint services, like education and social services, and working up to a full merger.

The idea is set to form part of Bournemouth Liberal Democrats’ manifesto at next year’s local elections.

Cllr Richard Smith said one of the key benefits would be a reduction in highly-paid council officers and pointed out that the number of Bournemouth staff earning more than £50,000 a year had increased from 55 to 118 in the past five years.

“There’s been a large expansion at the top level while the frontline has been squeezed.

“If this is replicated in Poole then you can see potentially what a large saving could be made by merging.”

And he added: “We have one police division for Bournemouth and Poole, one fire division and one primary care trust.

“Every other sector of government looks at both towns together, it’s only the councils that don’t.”

Adrian Fudge, former deputy leader of Bournemouth council, said: “You should be looking to provide services in the most economic way possible and merging Bournemouth and Poole would do that.”

He said the way the London boroughs had done it, by merging the administrative side but keeping their own elected councillors, appeared a good compromise.

And former council leader Douglas Eyre, who attempted to rally support for a South East Dorset Council during the last reorganisation of local government, said: “I feel it’s an idea whose time has come.

“I am the first person to be passionate about Bournemouth’s history and tradition but when it comes to council services and visions, we are effectively one community.

“There would be millions of pounds of efficiency savings but it’s about more than that.

“Working together on the economy and transport makes sense.”

But councillors in Poole are less keen on the idea. Deputy council leader Cllr Don Collier said: “We work closely with our neighbouring authorities and are always happy to investigate working together where there is a strong business case and a clear benefit for Poole.”

But Cllr Brian Clements, who was leader of Poole council when it broke away as a unitary authority in 1997, said merging the authorities’ political systems would be a “drastic mistake” and retaining Poole’s independence was vital.

“I would fear Poole becoming like Boscombe in playing second fiddle to Bournemouth.

“I’m sure a lot more could be shared between the authorities and no doubt it will soon be looked at.

“But we have to be careful not to create a bigger bureaucracy that becomes even more unwieldy.”

Comments(27)

Baronbottom says...
8:38am Sat 23 Oct 10

yes, at least we could half the expense quaffing overpaid non jobs and half the amount of 'in it for me' , **** watching, racist, conflict of interest, egotistical developers cheating us by parading as Councillors, saving a fortune and maybe getting some decent people who care for more than their own little deals and ego's.

BmthNewshound says...
8:51am Sat 23 Oct 10

Merging Councils has worked in other areas so why not Bournemouth and Poole. Brighton & Hove, Torbay are both good examples of coastal towns which have successfully been through the merger process.
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Bournemouth & Poole have become a single conurbation and share many similarities in terms of demographics & social issues (pockets of both wealth and poverty) , and some services such as seafront services and tourism could be seamlessly joined . At present children in Alum Chine and Westbourne have to travel across town to attend secondary school in Bournemouth when schools in Poole may be closer.
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In a merged Council you would only need a single group of senior managers which in itself would save a significant amount of money. On the political side with control spread across a wider group of Councillors we should, in theory, see less of the dodgy deals we have seen with Bournemouth Council over the past couple of years.
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Bournemouth Council should at the very least have serious discussions with Poole about merging before signing any long term outsourcing deals.

spyglass says...
9:21am Sat 23 Oct 10

Of course the Councils should merge.From the perspective of those people new to the area or from outside the area the boundaries are not obvious anyway. It works in other places and if managed well can work here. History and traditions etc need not be lost but we can make some progressive history of our own if the will is there.The argument about the increase in number of staff earning over £50K needs to be balanced by indexing up the value of £50K over the same period however.

oldgiraffe says...
9:25am Sat 23 Oct 10

So while at it, merge with Wimborne and Christchurch too and make, like the West Midlands, a Greater Bournemouth or should that be Greater Poole? NO THANKS.

Gastines2 says...
9:28am Sat 23 Oct 10

Yes please but don't let the Councillors and Department heads organise the merger. For years there has never been any joined up thinking between the two towns as one conurbation,from roads to tourism etc.etc. An opportunity to get rid of or at least scale down the hundreds of Non-jobs from both Councils,plus a huge saving on vehicles/office space etc.etc. Hopefully the decision makers will think about the benefits this could bring to both towns and not only the boost to their salaries for managing a bigger area.The bi-word should be savings and not self interest

Azphreal says...
9:29am Sat 23 Oct 10

The bit about the increase in staff earning over 50k a year is a bit confusing as wear not the LIBDEMS in charge of Bmth for most of those 5 years?

bea says...
9:43am Sat 23 Oct 10

Azphreal wrote:
The bit about the increase in staff earning over 50k a year is a bit confusing as wear not the LIBDEMS in charge of Bmth for most of those 5 years?
The Liberal Democrat administration ended in May 2007.

contric says...
10:02am Sat 23 Oct 10

118 staff on £50 000 or more very nearly £1000 a week when they are thinking of cuts for us tax payers the council are a disgusting disgraceful shambolic load of freeloading shysters nearly 6 million pounds of are council tax money going on these elite barstewards does that £50,000 come on top of their other benefits

addntox says...
10:22am Sat 23 Oct 10

If the out sourcing goes ahead then the two councils cannot merge.

Resources is the department best suited because it does the same job- more savings would be made this way than outsourcing

but a merger won't happen as Bournemouth council leaders never admit there wrong EVER.

I'm amazed at staff earning more than £50,000 a year had increased from 55 to 118 in the past five years, when front line staff face the axe

Inner Sanctum says...
11:03am Sat 23 Oct 10

Do it! Poole needs a surf reef next to the new bridge!

Who knows, the 2 together might even get us a motorway?

Putting joint services such as rubbish colection together may work - as is happening in London boroughs without the need for full-joining.

I spy says...
11:04am Sat 23 Oct 10

We have just said goodbye to the Leader of Poole (Tory Held) Council who was a prominent Freemason (which was always deigned until his demise) and belonged to several lodges. If we merge with Bournemouth (Tory Held) we would have a whole council chamber predominantly Freemasons - Do we really want them to have even more power in the boroughs?

sollie says...
11:27am Sat 23 Oct 10

How long will it take for Bournemouth and Poole to form a joint working party to kick start the process?
I'm afraid change is not going to come from within as everyone has a vested interest in milking the system as it is.
We need a tax payer revolt starting with an Echo campaign. Anyone started a Facebook campaign yet?

rook says...
12:19pm Sat 23 Oct 10

Just merge every single council in the country, save loads of admin charges and have everything run from a single admin centre in Milton Keynes (with a call centre in Mumbai).

sea poole says...
12:29pm Sat 23 Oct 10

Cllr Collier is deputy leader of Poole Borough Council and I guess he'll have eyes on becoming Leader of Poole Council. Does anyone really think he'll jeopardise that possibility...?

WestCliffCherry says...
2:57pm Sat 23 Oct 10

"The idea is set to form part of Bournemouth Liberal Democrats’ manifesto at next year’s local elections."

"Cllr. Brian Clements ... said merging the authorities’ political systems would be a “drastic mistake. "

.... and Brian Clements is ..... the most senior LibDem councillor in Poole.

Interesting. The LibDems in Bournemouth think they can merge the Council with their LibDem colleagues in Poole ... who think it would be a disaster.

And who said the LibDems cannot decide anything?!

I am sure there is a good case for merging some council services to save money. But the fact that they will even be opposed by their own team shows this LibDem manifesto idea up as just an attempt to get a headline.

Lord help us if this shower ever get their hands on the councils again!

LBUZZ CHERRY says...
7:48pm Sat 23 Oct 10

Good idea - are there two neighbouring towns more similar in the country? Its a no-brainer.

I can understand Poole being a bit more retisent after being there longer, but lets not get too paranoid eh?

plastic says...
7:48pm Sat 23 Oct 10

Time to right size and right source Chief Executives, Council Leaders and Councillors.

With less budget to manage and less services to deliver local democracy is going the way of the the out of date manufacturing industries.

The Seasider says...
8:20pm Sat 23 Oct 10

I agree with BmthNewshound (above) re the need and reasons to merge. But I doubt that most councillors will be keen on this, and certainly the executives wont want this. But this merger completely makes sense with the scale of budget cuts coming down the line this year with more expected next year.
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If Bournemouth has £100k executives for various departments; housing, transport, social services, revenue & benefits, etc. and Poole has similar people holding these positions- it is a lot of duplication of admin, process and jobs. Can the country really afford all this, when £1 in £4 of public expense is borrowed money, to be repaid, with interest, by the next generation?
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The only way this is really likely to happen is if Eric Pickles creates a funding formula which forces it to happen (nationally, not just Bmth-Poole). OR the front line council employees who get made redudant join forces and really kick up a fuss in protest for a merger.
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The choice is:
(a) ONE council chief exec (c. £120k)... OR...
(b) a TWO dinner ladies, TWO road sweepers, TWO librarians, a parks gardener, and a social worker.
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I say- keep as many people in jobs as possible, because the needs of the many (lower paid workers) outweighs the needs of the one.

Demosthenes says...
9:18pm Sat 23 Oct 10

Presumably the Poole LibDems and the Bournemouth LibDems could form a coalition?

poolebob says...
10:35pm Sat 23 Oct 10

So Richard Smith would like to a reduction in highly paid Council Officers.

What about a reduction in the number of expensive Councillors.
Why should they be immune

s-pb2 says...
12:09am Sun 24 Oct 10

Merging the Education and Social Services Departments for the 2 councils, i wouldnt have thought would make much difference. After all, they will still be dealing with the same number of people on their already over subscribed workloads, so the various specialist hubs dotted around the towns would need to remain

teenie says...
7:20am Sun 24 Oct 10

this merger has already started as in the general election my vote was counted for Bournemouth West but I pay council tax to Poole Borough Council.
Also I've seen Poole borough refuse lorries collecting rubbish from Bournemouth town traders.
It makes sense to pool all resources together because there is always too many chiefs and not enough indians.

Square Old Codger says...
10:21am Sun 24 Oct 10

Some years ago there was a plan for a Solent City. There is a virtually a built up urban area from New Milton in the East to Upton in the West, It would make sense to make this conurbation one political unit, each Town/Village whilst retaining its identity , but having a single administrative centre. At the same time "cull" the number of councillors. Now that we have "Cabinets" of full time politicians running things ( and ignoring their non cabinet colleagues ) we could significantly reduce their cost as well.

Chris12 says...
6:39pm Sun 24 Oct 10

It seems obvious if you look at the commercial world where mergers are normal between companies that are providing exactly the same services to combine and enjoy benefits of scale.

There are costs in sorting it out but they hope that the savings longterm will benefit the company and increase dividends to shareholders........
.which is where the problem lies.

There are no shareholders to benefit financially. Perhaps as tax payers we might see a reduction in bills but we have the self-serving council officials and councillors inbetween. They have their own jobs to protect or their own sense of self importance to maintain rather than lose influence or have their ward boundaries messed about with.

Perhaps we will see councillors stand up, be counted and back something that could benefit both towns rather than protect their own positions ? Maybe, but lets keep an eye out for flying pigs.

Baronbottom says...
8:00pm Sun 24 Oct 10

we could half the out of depth people and developers. Don't get too excited though unless ou will stand independent against the scum

twobigdogs says...
7:38pm Mon 25 Oct 10

No thanks!.....Bmth council with all their faults joining with Poole........what a joke!

BobbyPoole says...
9:20pm Tue 26 Oct 10

..they should merge, we all have to put up with cut backs. the Borough of Poole is only interested in a small area of poole and let down other areas. i live in poole and yet i have an MP who lives in Bournemouth...

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