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Poole may run out of graves in months


BURIAL space in Poole could run out in months and the cash-strapped council can’t afford a new cemetery.

There are just 50 plots remaining at Parkstone and Broadstone cemeteries – the only council cemeteries currently in use for earth burials. They are expected to be exhausted in six months to a year.

The council is considering squeezing in extra graves at cemeteries deemed full more than 20 years ago. It is investigating moving remains to reuse plots and burying the dead on top of existing graves.

Plans for a new cemetery at the Moortown Aerodrome site, Magna Road, were shelved when £250,000 in funding was withdrawn earlier this year.

The alternatives have been outlined in a report which comes before the environment overview and scrutiny committee today.

It recommends reopening Poole and Branksome cemeteries, which were closed in the 1980s, and using the grassy pathways and decorative areas for additional burial plots – providing three to five years worth of burial space. This has already been done at the other two cemeteries.

A new cemetery or reclaiming or reusing burial spaces are longer term options also on the table.

Only around 50 people per year are buried in Poole.

The vast majority are cremated.

But if the space runs out, bereaved residents who want an earth burial may have to look outside of the area, where they face much higher costs.

Non-residents in Bournemouth, for example, pay double.

There are also private cemeteries available such as Tapper Funeral Services’ Harbour View woodland burial ground.

The rector of Poole, the Rev Bob Mason, told the Daily Echo there were some concerns among his parishioners at St James’. “I think the families that one deals with here are quite anxious about it.

“Word has got to them that there’s a bit of a crisis and they’re worried,” he said.

He supported utilising all available space at the two closed cemeteries before the council considers reusing grave plots, to avoid causing “offence or upset”.

But Steven Tapper, a managing director of Tapper Funeral services, said creating new plots at closed cemeteries risked upsetting families turned away from them in the past.

“There are a lot of people who have been buried elsewhere but their families have connections with Branksome Cemetery.

“It’s a bitter pill for them to swallow,” he added.

He also questioned the reuse or reclamation of graves, adding: “I’m not sure how our clients would take the thought of having a second-hand grave.”

Cllr Peter Adams, cabinet member for leisure and culture at the Borough of Poole, said officers were required to “present all options” to the committee, but the “immediate recommendation is to reopen Branksome and Poole cemeteries and utilise all available space”.

He added: “In the very improbable case the council cannot develop a new facility, regretfully alternative options must be considered.

“Re-interment would only be considered on unmarked graves and graves where the headstone has been removed due to safety reasons.” Crematorium and cemetery fees were increased by 10 per cent in Poole on September 1.


Comments(19)

richfire says...
8:48am Mon 6 Sep 10

Wait for it....it will be another hair brain idea for the richest council in the UK. Just stick your loved one in the grey bin for land fill or the blue bin for cremation. It is stated that Poole & Branksome cemetaries were closed because there was no space available so where has the space come from, have some of the residents moved out!! Imbeciles.....again! Its a shame that the same amount of energy is not exerted on this issue as it is to build eyesores at West Quay!

MJD says...
8:50am Mon 6 Sep 10

Yet again let down by a conservative council. Just look back at all the hare brain schemes they have wasted money on. Solar pyramid for one.

McPricker says...
8:56am Mon 6 Sep 10

I always said this council was a dead loss.

Syd Poumen says...
8:58am Mon 6 Sep 10

McPricker wrote:
I always said this council was a dead loss.
Dead Right!

BmthNewshound says...
9:09am Mon 6 Sep 10

This shouldn’t really come as a surprise to anyone. Is this another one of the social problems caused by having such a high concentration of older people living in the area ?. Perhaps the Council could charge a levy to McCarthy & Stone and Churchill every time they build one of their retirement blocks to pay towards the cost of creating more graveyards. Alternatively, set stricter rules so that only people who were born in or have lived in the Borough for a certain length of time can be allocated a grave. Another alternative is to get the Churches to pay for new graveyards – the Church of England and Catholic Church are incredibly wealthy and should contribute to their local communities.
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It’s not the Councils fault that the cemeteries are full and with the price of land in the area so high creating new cemeteries would be very expensive. What would people prefer the Council spend their money on – services for the living or graves for the dead ?

Huey says...
9:57am Mon 6 Sep 10

Syd Poumen wrote:
McPricker wrote: I always said this council was a dead loss.
Dead Right!
Please don't joke about this subject. You might find it funny, but to some of us, it is a grave matter indeed.

cathyfranklin says...
10:14am Mon 6 Sep 10

Total disgrace. These councils arent worth the money they are paid. This should of been looked at yrs ago, not now when only 50 spaces left. If 50 are being buried 50 are buried a yr then this should of been dealt with yrs ago when they could see this coming and we were in the "boom" yrs. To think these mangaging directors of council get paid 6 figure sums to use there brains on stuff like this, sack the person responsible for this and get someone in who actually works and sorts out problems.

Syd Poumen says...
10:14am Mon 6 Sep 10

Huey wrote:
Syd Poumen wrote:
McPricker wrote: I always said this council was a dead loss.
Dead Right!
Please don't joke about this subject. You might find it funny, but to some of us, it is a grave matter indeed.
Stoney silence from me on this subject in future, then.

Huey says...
10:45am Mon 6 Sep 10

Ok but don't get cross

Morrigan says...
11:28am Mon 6 Sep 10

I belong to several family history societies, some of which have transcribed old headstones and monumental inscriptions for posterity. They also provide immense help for family historians by giving names, dates etc of people's ancestors to help fill in details of their lives and deaths.

However, over the years Poole Council have consistently refused to allow this to be done in cemeteries within the Borough - on health & safety issues.

I have no doubt at some not too distant future point the cemeteries health & safety inspectors will suddenly find a whole lot of older supposedly "unstable stones" and have them removed and broken up.

It is happening all over the country today and by "sheer coincidence", once a headstone is removed the grave can be re-used if it has not been opened for burial anytime over 50 years, although 70 years seems to be the national average.

Now more than ever the cemeteries in Poole need to be transcribed and photographed before some of them are lost forever, so if anyone has family plots in Poole today, I suggest you make your feelings known to the Council before they suddenly start moving your ancestors, re-sell *your* family plot and re-using their graves!

There are plenty of green fields on the outskirts of town which could be used as burial grounds such as the Hinton Wood site, so lets start to look at other viable options before removing people's ancestors, cremating their remains and scattering them to the four winds - and all without asking their families first!!

JLC says...
12:32pm Mon 6 Sep 10

It never ceases to stagger me at how dificult people find it to see the simple solution.

I am approximatley four times taller than I am broad. Therefore if I am buried vertically rather than horizontally I only take up a quarter of the space. If people who insist on being buried are installed in this way, we'd have four times as much capacity for burial plots.

As for me, I will be laid down in the Lucont family crypt. perhaps if other families thought about the future and procured crypts, instead of spending all their dole money on velour day suits and marlboro, we wouldn’t have this problem. If you don't have your own crypt, you should be roasted down to ash, or at least buried vertically if you were a high tax payer.

As for the post above, well what do you expect? people to be buried in an exclusive spot without owning it? Who is buying this land? You?

Brock_and_Roll says...
12:56pm Mon 6 Sep 10

Is the council obliged to provide an earth burial option? In London for example burials were banned more than a 100 years ago for both space and hygiene reasons (a glance at the height differential between old lond graveyards and the surrounding street levels with give you a clue!). People have got used to either using cremation or arranging burials outside of london.

There are perfectly adequate cremation facilities and the 50 burials in poole is only a tiny fraction of the total. There are plenty of decent options open to those who want a burial including the woodland site at Hinton.

Rather than spending £250k on a new field (seems a bit steep), surely it would be cheaper for the council to provide a subsidy for burial at a private site if the deceased qualifies.

ta2 says...
1:11pm Mon 6 Sep 10

Sorry, but why should the council pay to bury people? The money should be taken out of your will, or if you don't have the required funds then your body should be disposed of as cheaply as possible. I'd rather the money be spent on the living than on the dead.
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If it means that much to you then surely you can afford the modest price of your own grave!!

captsanders says...
1:21pm Mon 6 Sep 10

Correct me if i'm wrong but dont you have to pay for the plot of land you are buried in anyway.

cathyfranklin says...
1:32pm Mon 6 Sep 10

ta2, you do pay for your burial, you dont get it free. The council do not pay anything towards a burial, so where is this money?? i know for a fact that a plot of land for your burial costs hundreds and you have to pay this charge and that charge, its stupid amounts. All in all i personally paid £2,800 for my childs burial and that was cheap apprantly, so the council cannot tell us they cant afford stuff, where is all this money they get off people?????

Morrigan says...
2:05pm Mon 6 Sep 10

To the posters above who suggest the plots are owned by the Council - most of them are not.

Unless you are buried in a common grave, you or your family have the option to but a lease on the plot for a minimum of 99 years, or to buy the plot outright, so the council no longer own such plots - the family does.

I paid over £1500 for my mother to be cremated and buried in a cremation plot (2ft x 2ft) in Poole Cemetery, yet my neighbour only paid £2,000 for a grave sized plot ( 4ft x 6ft), so obviously the difference in prices, versus size of plot do not add up.

Also, the plots cannot be re-sold if they have been opened up for other family members to be buried in them for a minimum term after the last burial, which in Poole at present is 99 years - although this is subject no doubt to change by the Council when they feel necessary - BUT there is nothing in the legal purchase paperwork to suggest they can change it, but I have no doubt they will if they feel like it!

Besides which, since the ground at Oakdale, Poole was bought for the Borough around 150 years ago, any money paid to the Council today is sheer profit after ground maintenance, grass cutting etc, so where does this money go to?

Obviously it is not being set aside towards buying more burial land as and when required!

BIGTONE says...
12:04am Tue 7 Sep 10

They can stick me at the bottom of my garden......sorted

dizzy17 says...
9:11am Tue 7 Sep 10

they have bee doing this in bournemouth for a few years at cemetery junction they are digging the paths up to bury people in so nothing new

DARCY says...
10:53am Tue 7 Sep 10

Funeral directors will try to sell you what is most profitable for them not what is most suitable for your wishes. If you shop around funeral directors you will get the funeral you want-where you want. When else would you spend the amount of money a funeral costs without getting a couple of quotes?


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