"Take pictures on the beach? You'll need a licence..."

"Take pictures on the beach? You'll need a licence..."

"Beach 8" approaches a tourist with a camera

The mysterious "Beach 8"

The picture Hattie was taking when she was stopped

First published in News by

ENJOY these pictures – there may not be many more of Poole’s beaches in the Daily Echo if council bureaucrats get their way!

A beach warden – who would only identify himself as “Beach 8” – challenged our photographer as she took snaps on the promenade at Branksome Chine yesterday.

He demanded to see a licence and told her she shouldn’t be taking pictures without one.

After years of taking photos on the beaches unchallenged, our snapper Hattie Miles ploughed on regardless.

But the Echo wanted to know why we had been stopped in the first place.

Stuart Terry, coastal works manager at Poole council, said the beach was council land and it was “standard industry practice” to seek permission before taking pictures.

“We make the reasonable request of asking professional photographers and film-makers to alert our staff to their plans in advance when using council land, including Poole beaches, for commercial shoots,” he said.

“This serves only to ensure that the needs of professional film-makers and photographers are properly managed and do not unduly interfere with the safety and enjoyment of other beach users.”

A similar incident took place in March when another experienced photographer was stopped for taking pictures on Sandbanks.

It promoted an outpouring of derision from the media and the photographic community, who claimed such enforcement infringed civil liberties.

The council was accused of acting like a “tin-pot dictatorship”.

No bylaw exists prohibiting the taking of photographs on the beach.

But Mr Terry said beach wardens might approach photographers if they have not been given prior warning.

He added: “We would like to assure the public and commercial organisations that it is not our intention to restrict or prevent photographers or film-makers using Poole’s beaches.”

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12:20pm Fri 28 May 10

oversixty says...

I didn't realize it was April Fool's Day !
I didn't realize it was April Fool's Day ! oversixty
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12:46pm Fri 28 May 10

Skatha says...

It is not only commercial enterprises who are expected to get a licence.

Last year my husband was taking pictures of the coastline along Branksome Chine and was told he needed a licence.

When he enquired why he was told it was because "you must be a professional with a camera like that" !!!

He uses a Nikon D90, a regular digital camera on a tripod.

However, a quick call to the Council advised him he did not need a licence.

In any event, regardless of who owns the land, how on earth can they stop us taking photos of the landscape? Isn't this green and pleasant land here for us all to enjoy - or do we have to start paying to look now?!?!!
It is not only commercial enterprises who are expected to get a licence. Last year my husband was taking pictures of the coastline along Branksome Chine and was told he needed a licence. When he enquired why he was told it was because "you must be a professional with a camera like that" !!! He uses a Nikon D90, a regular digital camera on a tripod. However, a quick call to the Council advised him he did not need a licence. In any event, regardless of who owns the land, how on earth can they stop us taking photos of the landscape? Isn't this green and pleasant land here for us all to enjoy - or do we have to start paying to look now?!?!! Skatha
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12:50pm Fri 28 May 10

SeekerPhoto says...

The beach wardens and the council are idiots over this, I was stopped last year (probably by the same guy), the resulting story was covered in The Echo, The Telegraph, Metro, I was interviewed on 5Live, TV and radio and all Poole Council got was a lot of bad press.
The council eventually sent me a very long, very legal letter from their chief solicitor (how much did that cost the tax payer?) that I pretty much ignore, I've done many more photoshoots on that beach, the latest one this week.
The full story is on my website: http://seekerphoto.c
o.uk/sandbanks-photo
-restrictions/
The beach wardens and the council are idiots over this, I was stopped last year (probably by the same guy), the resulting story was covered in The Echo, The Telegraph, Metro, I was interviewed on 5Live, TV and radio and all Poole Council got was a lot of bad press. The council eventually sent me a very long, very legal letter from their chief solicitor (how much did that cost the tax payer?) that I pretty much ignore, I've done many more photoshoots on that beach, the latest one this week. The full story is on my website: http://seekerphoto.c o.uk/sandbanks-photo -restrictions/ SeekerPhoto
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12:54pm Fri 28 May 10

SeekerPhoto says...

SeekerPhoto wrote:
The beach wardens and the council are idiots over this, I was stopped last year (probably by the same guy), the resulting story was covered in The Echo, The Telegraph, Metro, I was interviewed on 5Live, TV and radio and all Poole Council got was a lot of bad press.
The council eventually sent me a very long, very legal letter from their chief solicitor (how much did that cost the tax payer?) that I pretty much ignore, I've done many more photoshoots on that beach, the latest one this week.
The full story is on my website: http://seekerphoto.c

o.uk/sandbanks-photo

-restrictions/
Sorry, it wasn't last year, it was in March (I'm the other photographer mentioned in the article) - I'm just getting old and one year blends into the next.
[quote][p][bold]SeekerPhoto[/bold] wrote: The beach wardens and the council are idiots over this, I was stopped last year (probably by the same guy), the resulting story was covered in The Echo, The Telegraph, Metro, I was interviewed on 5Live, TV and radio and all Poole Council got was a lot of bad press. The council eventually sent me a very long, very legal letter from their chief solicitor (how much did that cost the tax payer?) that I pretty much ignore, I've done many more photoshoots on that beach, the latest one this week. The full story is on my website: http://seekerphoto.c o.uk/sandbanks-photo -restrictions/[/p][/quote]Sorry, it wasn't last year, it was in March (I'm the other photographer mentioned in the article) - I'm just getting old and one year blends into the next. SeekerPhoto
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1:36pm Fri 28 May 10

Upkeep says...

Ignore "beach 8" he is powerless. Anyway I thought the foreshore (between high and low tide) was Crown property rather than the councils. Please correct me if Im wrong.
Ignore "beach 8" he is powerless. Anyway I thought the foreshore (between high and low tide) was Crown property rather than the councils. Please correct me if Im wrong. Upkeep
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1:39pm Fri 28 May 10

Hickery says...

"The Council" would do well to remember who their paymaster is. I pay my taxes, including Council Tax, so I own them, and I own 'their' beach. It's OUR country, OUR county, OUR town & OUR beach. Not theirs! So I'll take pictures of it and the rest of our beautiful coastline as and when I please, thank you VERY much!
"The Council" would do well to remember who their paymaster is. I pay my taxes, including Council Tax, so I own them, and I own 'their' beach. It's OUR country, OUR county, OUR town & OUR beach. Not theirs! So I'll take pictures of it and the rest of our beautiful coastline as and when I please, thank you VERY much! Hickery
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2:03pm Fri 28 May 10

ben111 says...

I was stopped in Poole park whilst power walking and told that in the future you will need to pay a fee for using the park in a proffesional maner as it was just for recreational use
I was stopped in Poole park whilst power walking and told that in the future you will need to pay a fee for using the park in a proffesional maner as it was just for recreational use ben111
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2:04pm Fri 28 May 10

Phixer says...

The beach is public property and there are no legal restrictions for taking photographs in a public place.
The beach is public property and there are no legal restrictions for taking photographs in a public place. Phixer
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2:05pm Fri 28 May 10

oversixty says...

Superb photos of the beaches on Flickr !
Superb photos of the beaches on Flickr ! oversixty
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2:17pm Fri 28 May 10

crispy_pants says...

Has anyone asked to see his identification?
Has anyone asked to see his identification? crispy_pants
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2:44pm Fri 28 May 10

FOSF says...

Easy councils. You stop photo shoots and you cannot promote your town and beaches. Simple as that, or simple as you lot. Whatever next. Again you are reminded that the town belongs to the people, including the beaches. The Council is here to look after it, so it looks nice when we take our pictures. Do you job, and we can do ours. I think a picture of Beach 8 should be published, so we know who to snap next time.
Easy councils. You stop photo shoots and you cannot promote your town and beaches. Simple as that, or simple as you lot. Whatever next. Again you are reminded that the town belongs to the people, including the beaches. The Council is here to look after it, so it looks nice when we take our pictures. Do you job, and we can do ours. I think a picture of Beach 8 should be published, so we know who to snap next time. FOSF
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2:59pm Fri 28 May 10

BIGTONE says...

But Mr Terry said beach wardens might approach photographers if they have not been given prior warning.

He added: “We would like to assure the public and commercial organisations that it is not our intention to restrict or prevent photographers or film-makers using Poole’s beaches.”


Then don't bother people in the first place then.......Simples!!
!!!
But Mr Terry said beach wardens might approach photographers if they have not been given prior warning. He added: “We would like to assure the public and commercial organisations that it is not our intention to restrict or prevent photographers or film-makers using Poole’s beaches.” Then don't bother people in the first place then.......Simples!! !!! BIGTONE
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3:55pm Fri 28 May 10

Bormuf Boy says...

OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way.
OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way. Bormuf Boy
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4:28pm Fri 28 May 10

TinyLegacy says...

Bormuf Boy wrote:
OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way.
LOLz
[quote][p][bold]Bormuf Boy[/bold] wrote: OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way.[/p][/quote]LOLz TinyLegacy
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4:38pm Fri 28 May 10

WIGGINSv says...

Naff orf jobsworth.......I'm David Bailey.
Naff orf jobsworth.......I'm David Bailey. WIGGINSv
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4:45pm Fri 28 May 10

crispy_pants says...

Luvit Bormuf Boy.
Luvit Bormuf Boy. crispy_pants
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4:55pm Fri 28 May 10

sea poole says...

Easy solution -bring a case against this council for bullying and harassment!
Easy solution -bring a case against this council for bullying and harassment! sea poole
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5:39pm Fri 28 May 10

Mike Pickering says...

I believe that the Council need a license to have someone patrolling public land, asking to see documentation that has no basis in law from people who are not required to carry it.
I believe that the Council need a license to have someone patrolling public land, asking to see documentation that has no basis in law from people who are not required to carry it. Mike Pickering
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6:04pm Fri 28 May 10

EGHH says...

Unless there has been a change in the UK law you cannot stop someone taking photos in a public place unless it is covered by the Official Secrets Act. Come on Dave and Co. Lets see some Civil Liberties re-introduced here!
Unless there has been a change in the UK law you cannot stop someone taking photos in a public place unless it is covered by the Official Secrets Act. Come on Dave and Co. Lets see some Civil Liberties re-introduced here! EGHH
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6:08pm Fri 28 May 10

uvox44 says...

surprised the council didn't use the police line of "preventing terrorism" , oh sorry just remembered section44 was ruled illegal by Europe, seems sometimes it's actually Brussels upholding our liberties while our own powers that be are keen to restrict them, all in our own best interests of course!
surprised the council didn't use the police line of "preventing terrorism" , oh sorry just remembered section44 was ruled illegal by Europe, seems sometimes it's actually Brussels upholding our liberties while our own powers that be are keen to restrict them, all in our own best interests of course! uvox44
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6:45pm Fri 28 May 10

Chris753 says...

Stuart Terry, coastal works manager at Poole council, said the beach was council land and it was “standard industry practice” to seek permission before taking pictures.

Er, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the beach belonged to us, the ratepayers
Stuart Terry, coastal works manager at Poole council, said the beach was council land and it was “standard industry practice” to seek permission before taking pictures. Er, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the beach belonged to us, the ratepayers Chris753
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7:06pm Fri 28 May 10

X Old Bill says...

The 'Standard Industry Practice' to which Mr Terry refers only applies (to the best of my knowledge and belief) to places such as Bus Stations, Railway Stations, Building sites, and even recycling depots.
The reasoning is that these places have a risk factor which needs to be considered for health and Safety AT WORK assessments. Therefore people filming or photographing as part of their work should show the owner of the premises that their work will be carried out in a safe manner.
If you consider that Poole beach has been used to dump waste materials, albeit unlawfully, then I suppose it could loosely qualify as a Council dump and therefore not a public open space at all.
The 'Standard Industry Practice' to which Mr Terry refers only applies (to the best of my knowledge and belief) to places such as Bus Stations, Railway Stations, Building sites, and even recycling depots. The reasoning is that these places have a risk factor which needs to be considered for health and Safety AT WORK assessments. Therefore people filming or photographing as part of their work should show the owner of the premises that their work will be carried out in a safe manner. If you consider that Poole beach has been used to dump waste materials, albeit unlawfully, then I suppose it could loosely qualify as a Council dump and therefore not a public open space at all. X Old Bill
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7:08pm Fri 28 May 10

Frank2010 says...

Bloody madness again from Poole Council. Who the hell do they think they are? How much does all this cost? Who ever sanctioned this stupidity should be sacked immediately.
Bloody madness again from Poole Council. Who the hell do they think they are? How much does all this cost? Who ever sanctioned this stupidity should be sacked immediately. Frank2010
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7:12pm Fri 28 May 10

dancingdog says...

It's because Poole Council believe they are beyond and above the law.
They use anti-terrorism laws to spy on the public with THEIR cameras, which has been proved in court to be illegal. Therefore they believe that anyone taking pictures are also breaking the law.
They're just a bunch of numpties who know nothing,
Woe betide any of their officials who try to stop me!
It's because Poole Council believe they are beyond and above the law. They use anti-terrorism laws to spy on the public with THEIR cameras, which has been proved in court to be illegal. Therefore they believe that anyone taking pictures are also breaking the law. They're just a bunch of numpties who know nothing, Woe betide any of their officials who try to stop me! dancingdog
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8:02pm Fri 28 May 10

Casualferret says...

Just maddness anit it . I was taking photos of the surfers last year and asked if i had insurance by one of the council jobworths , after threating him id wrap my monopod around his head he soon left me to carry on , if i got asked to stop i would take offence and would lose it and end up fighting them i hate jobsworths !!
Just maddness anit it . I was taking photos of the surfers last year and asked if i had insurance by one of the council jobworths , after threating him id wrap my monopod around his head he soon left me to carry on , if i got asked to stop i would take offence and would lose it and end up fighting them i hate jobsworths !! Casualferret
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10:09pm Fri 28 May 10

Chriswood says...

I see "Beach 8" is wearing his safety boots!!
I see "Beach 8" is wearing his safety boots!! Chriswood
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10:28pm Fri 28 May 10

Gold Coast Cherry says...

Is that a dog in the background? To the left of the no dogs sign. This now could be a shootable offence! Photographic wise of course...
Is that a dog in the background? To the left of the no dogs sign. This now could be a shootable offence! Photographic wise of course... Gold Coast Cherry
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10:56pm Fri 28 May 10

Azphreal says...

Would love to see the letter the council sent to 'Google' then!
Would love to see the letter the council sent to 'Google' then! Azphreal
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9:18am Sat 29 May 10

Dorset_Born_n_Bread ! says...

While all of the complaints and points of civil liberties above regarding freedom for tourism or professional photographers on the beach are valid. There is however as sad and sorry side to this issue.

I was witness recently near the beach to two scumbags of the male variety discussing what long-lenses they use to shoot certain scantily clad and topless women. I hasten to add the women were complete strangers to them and these blokes were comparing the closeness of bikini lines/brazilians and other such areas of human female anatomy that shouldnt be seen at close-up unless by a doctor or gaenacologist!

Perv scumbags taking pics of teenages and women to post on the dodgy seedy side of the internet they were discussing.

If it were not my place in life to go over and kick the living cr*p out of these two rednecks. What does one do in this situation?

So....I understand the reason for caution on the side of the council, but you can buy a semi pro camera now with 300mm lens for under 300quid.

I blame the vulture culture created by the media (the Snu) and other papers willing to post semi naked pics of women on Bournemouth beach every time the sun shines as starting the whole beach camera perv sleaze fest!

Ladies....beware....
!
While all of the complaints and points of civil liberties above regarding freedom for tourism or professional photographers on the beach are valid. There is however as sad and sorry side to this issue. I was witness recently near the beach to two scumbags of the male variety discussing what long-lenses they use to shoot certain scantily clad and topless women. I hasten to add the women were complete strangers to them and these blokes were comparing the closeness of bikini lines/brazilians and other such areas of human female anatomy that shouldnt be seen at close-up unless by a doctor or gaenacologist! Perv scumbags taking pics of teenages and women to post on the dodgy seedy side of the internet they were discussing. If it were not my place in life to go over and kick the living cr*p out of these two rednecks. What does one do in this situation? So....I understand the reason for caution on the side of the council, but you can buy a semi pro camera now with 300mm lens for under 300quid. I blame the vulture culture created by the media (the Snu) and other papers willing to post semi naked pics of women on Bournemouth beach every time the sun shines as starting the whole beach camera perv sleaze fest! Ladies....beware.... ! Dorset_Born_n_Bread !
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9:39am Sat 29 May 10

poolebabe says...

Dorset_Born_n_Bread ! wrote:
While all of the complaints and points of civil liberties above regarding freedom for tourism or professional photographers on the beach are valid. There is however as sad and sorry side to this issue. I was witness recently near the beach to two scumbags of the male variety discussing what long-lenses they use to shoot certain scantily clad and topless women. I hasten to add the women were complete strangers to them and these blokes were comparing the closeness of bikini lines/brazilians and other such areas of human female anatomy that shouldnt be seen at close-up unless by a doctor or gaenacologist! Perv scumbags taking pics of teenages and women to post on the dodgy seedy side of the internet they were discussing. If it were not my place in life to go over and kick the living cr*p out of these two rednecks. What does one do in this situation? So....I understand the reason for caution on the side of the council, but you can buy a semi pro camera now with 300mm lens for under 300quid. I blame the vulture culture created by the media (the Snu) and other papers willing to post semi naked pics of women on Bournemouth beach every time the sun shines as starting the whole beach camera perv sleaze fest! Ladies....beware.... !
Not just ladies, but pictures of children as well taken by perves. I love photography, I barely go anywhere without my camera, but I do understand the need for caution. Having said that, it will probably be a minority that will spoil things for everyone. It remains to be seen if this government will seek to penalise the minority, or introduce blanket laws which will affect everyone.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset_Born_n_Bread ![/bold] wrote: While all of the complaints and points of civil liberties above regarding freedom for tourism or professional photographers on the beach are valid. There is however as sad and sorry side to this issue. I was witness recently near the beach to two scumbags of the male variety discussing what long-lenses they use to shoot certain scantily clad and topless women. I hasten to add the women were complete strangers to them and these blokes were comparing the closeness of bikini lines/brazilians and other such areas of human female anatomy that shouldnt be seen at close-up unless by a doctor or gaenacologist! Perv scumbags taking pics of teenages and women to post on the dodgy seedy side of the internet they were discussing. If it were not my place in life to go over and kick the living cr*p out of these two rednecks. What does one do in this situation? So....I understand the reason for caution on the side of the council, but you can buy a semi pro camera now with 300mm lens for under 300quid. I blame the vulture culture created by the media (the Snu) and other papers willing to post semi naked pics of women on Bournemouth beach every time the sun shines as starting the whole beach camera perv sleaze fest! Ladies....beware.... ![/p][/quote]Not just ladies, but pictures of children as well taken by perves. I love photography, I barely go anywhere without my camera, but I do understand the need for caution. Having said that, it will probably be a minority that will spoil things for everyone. It remains to be seen if this government will seek to penalise the minority, or introduce blanket laws which will affect everyone. poolebabe
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10:28am Sat 29 May 10

Syd Poumen says...

Bormuf Boy wrote:
OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way.
I love Beach 8 enough to give him my last Rolo, seeing as Poole Council is so generous as to give my beach over to Polo!
[quote][p][bold]Bormuf Boy[/bold] wrote: OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way.[/p][/quote]I love Beach 8 enough to give him my last Rolo, seeing as Poole Council is so generous as to give my beach over to Polo! Syd Poumen
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10:51am Sat 29 May 10

Cherries25 says...

Wow. A few years ago I saw a man approaching young girls and getting them to pose in the water for him.
I reported it to a lifeguard, who spoke to the man. The man said he was a National Press photographer. No ID was shown. The man left quite soon after, and the lifeguard carried on with his sunbathing.
This was actually a case where intervention WAS needed. However, my concerns were not taken seriously.
Wow. A few years ago I saw a man approaching young girls and getting them to pose in the water for him. I reported it to a lifeguard, who spoke to the man. The man said he was a National Press photographer. No ID was shown. The man left quite soon after, and the lifeguard carried on with his sunbathing. This was actually a case where intervention WAS needed. However, my concerns were not taken seriously. Cherries25
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11:51am Sat 29 May 10

mattblackthehat says...

Photographic flashmob on Branksome beach anyone?
Photographic flashmob on Branksome beach anyone? mattblackthehat
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4:58pm Sat 29 May 10

caracus says...

But it is perfectly OK for the Council to spy on us all with their CCTV images. They even had one of their own fired/paid off when it was found he was using the CCTV to ogle bodies on the beach. Hypocrites.
But it is perfectly OK for the Council to spy on us all with their CCTV images. They even had one of their own fired/paid off when it was found he was using the CCTV to ogle bodies on the beach. Hypocrites. caracus
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5:22pm Sat 29 May 10

ta2 says...

Remember folks... you can get away with murder in this country now. Just ignore any wardens/solicitors, they can't actually do anything to you.
Remember folks... you can get away with murder in this country now. Just ignore any wardens/solicitors, they can't actually do anything to you. ta2
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9:52am Sun 30 May 10

s-pb2 says...

As someone who used to work in this area, generally you do need permission and risk assessments to do video filming and photo shoots on the beach. Saying that this is only where there can be inconvenience for other beach users (i.e. taking up whole chunks of beach to do it, transporting equipment and people to the site etc.). But i just cannot see how one person taking some snaps comes under that, and this sounds extermely heavy handed. After all if everyone had to apply for a permit, imagine the chaos that would ensue in the council issuing permits, they would never get time to do anything else!!
As for the guys taking pics of women on the beach with long lenses, apart from this sort of thing happening since cameras were invented, it all sounds like the next plot of American Pie! In fact if you look behind them theres probably a film crew illegally filming them without a permit! Seriously, if as someone suggested they were taking pictures of children, then why did they not report them to the police?
As someone who used to work in this area, generally you do need permission and risk assessments to do video filming and photo shoots on the beach. Saying that this is only where there can be inconvenience for other beach users (i.e. taking up whole chunks of beach to do it, transporting equipment and people to the site etc.). But i just cannot see how one person taking some snaps comes under that, and this sounds extermely heavy handed. After all if everyone had to apply for a permit, imagine the chaos that would ensue in the council issuing permits, they would never get time to do anything else!! As for the guys taking pics of women on the beach with long lenses, apart from this sort of thing happening since cameras were invented, it all sounds like the next plot of American Pie! In fact if you look behind them theres probably a film crew illegally filming them without a permit! Seriously, if as someone suggested they were taking pictures of children, then why did they not report them to the police? s-pb2
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10:06pm Sun 30 May 10

Cherries25 says...

s-pb2 wrote:
As someone who used to work in this area, generally you do need permission and risk assessments to do video filming and photo shoots on the beach. Saying that this is only where there can be inconvenience for other beach users (i.e. taking up whole chunks of beach to do it, transporting equipment and people to the site etc.). But i just cannot see how one person taking some snaps comes under that, and this sounds extermely heavy handed. After all if everyone had to apply for a permit, imagine the chaos that would ensue in the council issuing permits, they would never get time to do anything else!! As for the guys taking pics of women on the beach with long lenses, apart from this sort of thing happening since cameras were invented, it all sounds like the next plot of American Pie! In fact if you look behind them theres probably a film crew illegally filming them without a permit! Seriously, if as someone suggested they were taking pictures of children, then why did they not report them to the police?
The girls were young teenagers. I reported it to the lifeguard as there was no signal at the beach to use my mobile to call the police. After being approached, the man scurried off into the crowd.
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: As someone who used to work in this area, generally you do need permission and risk assessments to do video filming and photo shoots on the beach. Saying that this is only where there can be inconvenience for other beach users (i.e. taking up whole chunks of beach to do it, transporting equipment and people to the site etc.). But i just cannot see how one person taking some snaps comes under that, and this sounds extermely heavy handed. After all if everyone had to apply for a permit, imagine the chaos that would ensue in the council issuing permits, they would never get time to do anything else!! As for the guys taking pics of women on the beach with long lenses, apart from this sort of thing happening since cameras were invented, it all sounds like the next plot of American Pie! In fact if you look behind them theres probably a film crew illegally filming them without a permit! Seriously, if as someone suggested they were taking pictures of children, then why did they not report them to the police?[/p][/quote]The girls were young teenagers. I reported it to the lifeguard as there was no signal at the beach to use my mobile to call the police. After being approached, the man scurried off into the crowd. Cherries25
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10:27pm Sun 30 May 10

zagzig says...

"...said the beach was council land"


Is the council having a larf? If the land's 'owned' by the council then it's owned by us, the people who the council work for!! Or do they think we pay zillions in Council tax just to have our bins emptied infrequently?

What a load of utter tosh. I suggest we gather en mass at Branksome Chine wielding our cameras and see how many photos we can take of Beach 8.
[quote]"...said the beach was council land"[/quote] Is the council having a larf? If the land's 'owned' by the council then it's owned by us, the people who the council work for!! Or do they think we pay zillions in Council tax just to have our bins emptied infrequently? What a load of utter tosh. I suggest we gather en mass at Branksome Chine wielding our cameras and see how many photos we can take of Beach 8. zagzig
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4:51pm Mon 31 May 10

Skankfreebournemouth says...

Bormuf Boy wrote:
OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way.
I hope Beach 8 is going to clean up the dogs s**t, litter and dumped bin bags and boxes including Anti-social behaviour from Mannington Place / West Hill car park because Bournemouth Council keep ignoring the problem. He is more than welcome to patrol the area.
[quote][p][bold]Bormuf Boy[/bold] wrote: OMG !! Beach 8 has gone rogue . Take cover. He's gonna clean up this town. Don't get in his way.[/p][/quote]I hope Beach 8 is going to clean up the dogs s**t, litter and dumped bin bags and boxes including Anti-social behaviour from Mannington Place / West Hill car park because Bournemouth Council keep ignoring the problem. He is more than welcome to patrol the area. Skankfreebournemouth
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12:34pm Tue 1 Jun 10

Professor Zaroff says...

There is a very useful document you can print and put in your camera bag forsituations such as these.

Available from: www.sirimo.co.uk/ukp
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So long as we agree that the beach is a public place (hint - we as tax payers pay for it) there should be no problem. Intriguingly, the section on 'harrassment' can be applied to 'Beach 8' far more easily than the photographer.

To Skatha - like your hubby I have too been accused of being a professional. It was not the camera that makes people think you are, it is the tripod.
There is a very useful document you can print and put in your camera bag forsituations such as these. Available from: www.sirimo.co.uk/ukp r So long as we agree that the beach is a public place (hint - we as tax payers pay for it) there should be no problem. Intriguingly, the section on 'harrassment' can be applied to 'Beach 8' far more easily than the photographer. To Skatha - like your hubby I have too been accused of being a professional. It was not the camera that makes people think you are, it is the tripod. Professor Zaroff
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3:20pm Tue 1 Jun 10

MartiB says...

mattblackthehat wrote:
Photographic flashmob on Branksome beach anyone?
Sounds like a good idea :)
[quote][p][bold]mattblackthehat[/bold] wrote: Photographic flashmob on Branksome beach anyone?[/p][/quote]Sounds like a good idea :) MartiB
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3:32pm Tue 1 Jun 10

MartiB says...

Dorset_Born_n_Bread ! wrote:
While all of the complaints and points of civil liberties above regarding freedom for tourism or professional photographers on the beach are valid. There is however as sad and sorry side to this issue.

I was witness recently near the beach to two scumbags of the male variety discussing what long-lenses they use to shoot certain scantily clad and topless women. I hasten to add the women were complete strangers to them and these blokes were comparing the closeness of bikini lines/brazilians and other such areas of human female anatomy that shouldnt be seen at close-up unless by a doctor or gaenacologist!

Perv scumbags taking pics of teenages and women to post on the dodgy seedy side of the internet they were discussing.

If it were not my place in life to go over and kick the living cr*p out of these two rednecks. What does one do in this situation?

So....I understand the reason for caution on the side of the council, but you can buy a semi pro camera now with 300mm lens for under 300quid.

I blame the vulture culture created by the media (the Snu) and other papers willing to post semi naked pics of women on Bournemouth beach every time the sun shines as starting the whole beach camera perv sleaze fest!

Ladies....beware....

!
Yes there are idiots like this, but technically they have not broken any law, morally maybe. Playing devils advocate and not condoning their actions but If you don't want the attention, then dress accordingly. After all there are children on the beach too ;)
[quote][p][bold]Dorset_Born_n_Bread ![/bold] wrote: While all of the complaints and points of civil liberties above regarding freedom for tourism or professional photographers on the beach are valid. There is however as sad and sorry side to this issue. I was witness recently near the beach to two scumbags of the male variety discussing what long-lenses they use to shoot certain scantily clad and topless women. I hasten to add the women were complete strangers to them and these blokes were comparing the closeness of bikini lines/brazilians and other such areas of human female anatomy that shouldnt be seen at close-up unless by a doctor or gaenacologist! Perv scumbags taking pics of teenages and women to post on the dodgy seedy side of the internet they were discussing. If it were not my place in life to go over and kick the living cr*p out of these two rednecks. What does one do in this situation? So....I understand the reason for caution on the side of the council, but you can buy a semi pro camera now with 300mm lens for under 300quid. I blame the vulture culture created by the media (the Snu) and other papers willing to post semi naked pics of women on Bournemouth beach every time the sun shines as starting the whole beach camera perv sleaze fest! Ladies....beware.... ![/p][/quote]Yes there are idiots like this, but technically they have not broken any law, morally maybe. Playing devils advocate and not condoning their actions but If you don't want the attention, then dress accordingly. After all there are children on the beach too ;) MartiB
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4:43pm Tue 1 Jun 10

blueboy100 says...

Reading the above posts, it seems that most people have got completely the wrong end of the stick.
The council only ask that professional organisations get a licence before taking photos on the beach and not the general public as most people seem to be suggesting.
I find it hard to believe that an Echo photographer didn't know this before heading off to the beach to take some innocent snaps (or create a pretty weak story).
Strange how the first photo shown with this story is captioned " Beach 8 approaches a tourist with a camera " and doesn't go on to explain that he asked the gentleman if he would like him to take a picture of him and his wife together. Nice try but totally lame story Mr Morton.
Here's a parting shot for all you people moaning about civil liberties, Pedophiles operate on the beach!!!
If a story turned up in the echo about a pedophile taking pictures of kids on the beach you lot would be the first to moan about the council allowing it to happen.
Reading the above posts, it seems that most people have got completely the wrong end of the stick. The council only ask that professional organisations get a licence before taking photos on the beach and not the general public as most people seem to be suggesting. I find it hard to believe that an Echo photographer didn't know this before heading off to the beach to take some innocent snaps (or create a pretty weak story). Strange how the first photo shown with this story is captioned " Beach 8 approaches a tourist with a camera " and doesn't go on to explain that he asked the gentleman if he would like him to take a picture of him and his wife together. Nice try but totally lame story Mr Morton. Here's a parting shot for all you people moaning about civil liberties, Pedophiles operate on the beach!!! If a story turned up in the echo about a pedophile taking pictures of kids on the beach you lot would be the first to moan about the council allowing it to happen. blueboy100
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10:54pm Tue 1 Jun 10

photo7 says...

Oh yes the pedophiles, then why don't you hassle them and leave the genuine photographers in peace. It seems that you idiots think that the size of camera and lenses matters, the man with a pro looking camera must be the terrorist or pedo. Yet people with phone cameras (including women) can covertly go about there business with no apparent concern from the idiots who hassle photographers. Yes these phones can take remarkably good pictures and movies, yet they can use them anywhere with absolutely no concerns, so there’s another parting shot for you.
Oh yes the pedophiles, then why don't you hassle them and leave the genuine photographers in peace. It seems that you idiots think that the size of camera and lenses matters, the man with a pro looking camera must be the terrorist or pedo. Yet people with phone cameras (including women) can covertly go about there business with no apparent concern from the idiots who hassle photographers. Yes these phones can take remarkably good pictures and movies, yet they can use them anywhere with absolutely no concerns, so there’s another parting shot for you. photo7
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10:25pm Wed 2 Jun 10

TV burp says...

Give Beach 8 a break daily echo!!!! he is only doing his job...... this is a subject that should be taken up with the council!
Given the current world we live in, i think it is great that our public areas are being patrolled.
As your photographer 'carried on regardless' it appears that the Echo are a law to themselves........ did your photographer then drive back to the office with no seatbelt on whilst talking on her mobile phone??????
Come on Daily Echo all it required was a quick telephone call to the council for a licence. Did it really warrant a news article???
Give Beach 8 a break daily echo!!!! he is only doing his job...... this is a subject that should be taken up with the council! Given the current world we live in, i think it is great that our public areas are being patrolled. As your photographer 'carried on regardless' it appears that the Echo are a law to themselves........ did your photographer then drive back to the office with no seatbelt on whilst talking on her mobile phone?????? Come on Daily Echo all it required was a quick telephone call to the council for a licence. Did it really warrant a news article??? TV burp
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1:28pm Thu 3 Jun 10

Account Suspended says...

Those 'perv scumbags' have every right to take pictures of anybody else in a public place, no matter what clothes they are wearing, what age they are, or what length lens they want to use to do it.

If you don't want to be photographed in a bikini in a public place - don't wear one in a public place!!!

Some of the greatest photographic art ever created is the candid "street" photography of the likes of Winogrand, Cartier-Bresson, Frank, Rivera-Ortiz.. It depends on the photographer's right to take pictures of people in public... and is part of the freedom of speech and expression that we should all seek to protect.
Those 'perv scumbags' have every right to take pictures of anybody else in a public place, no matter what clothes they are wearing, what age they are, or what length lens they want to use to do it. If you don't want to be photographed in a bikini in a public place - don't wear one in a public place!!! Some of the greatest photographic art ever created is the candid "street" photography of the likes of Winogrand, Cartier-Bresson, Frank, Rivera-Ortiz.. It depends on the photographer's right to take pictures of people in public... and is part of the freedom of speech and expression that we should all seek to protect. Account Suspended
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2:01pm Thu 3 Jun 10

splitpea says...

This is a complete 'non-story'.

“We would like to assure the public and commercial organisations that it is not our intention to restrict or prevent photographers or film-makers using Poole’s beaches.”

My understanding is that it is important to establish whether or not a photographer is professional or just a normal, private photographer.

If the photographer turns out to be professional then it is extremely important that they carry public liability insurance and have carried out a risk assesment before shooting. Because if they do not have insurance etc and a normal beach goer trips over the photogarphers cable or a camera bag then it is the council that gets sued, ie us, the taxpayer!

So for beach 8 to approach a photographer to establish whether they were professional or not, seems to be in the general publics best interest, not to mention the paedophiles etc..

Personally, I think that all the beach staff do an excellent job, ie stopping cyclist from running over children, trying to prevent dogs from fouling the beaches. Have you ever seen the beach after a warm, sunny day? It is like a bomb site! But by the next morning it is spotless once more for our enjoyment.

Mr Terry said..

“We make the reasonable request of asking professional photographers and film-makers to alert our staff to their plans in advance when using council land, including Poole beaches, for commercial shoots,”

The Daily Echo ignored this request and..

.. 'ploughed on regardless'. (with zero insurance and zero risk assesment carried out I hasten to add. And if some cyclist for example falls off his bike because he has crashed into a photographers poorly placed bag, it's us, the taxpayer that gets sued. Irresponsible by the daily echo!)

Why didn't the daily echo inform the beach office that they planned to do a shoot on the beach? Surely it would only take one telephone call.

At NO POINT has the council said it was illegal to take photos on the beach. So alot of you have missed the point completely.

Well done beach workers. Keep up the good work.

Oh, and to the person who said that lifeguards just 'sun-bathe' all day.. you my friend, are so far from knowledgable. Our lifeguards do a fantastice job and are mature and professional well in advance of their youthful appearance and, they may just save your life one day. Consider that!
This is a complete 'non-story'. “We would like to assure the public and commercial organisations that it is not our intention to restrict or prevent photographers or film-makers using Poole’s beaches.” My understanding is that it is important to establish whether or not a photographer is professional or just a normal, private photographer. If the photographer turns out to be professional then it is extremely important that they carry public liability insurance and have carried out a risk assesment before shooting. Because if they do not have insurance etc and a normal beach goer trips over the photogarphers cable or a camera bag then it is the council that gets sued, ie us, the taxpayer! So for beach 8 to approach a photographer to establish whether they were professional or not, seems to be in the general publics best interest, not to mention the paedophiles etc.. Personally, I think that all the beach staff do an excellent job, ie stopping cyclist from running over children, trying to prevent dogs from fouling the beaches. Have you ever seen the beach after a warm, sunny day? It is like a bomb site! But by the next morning it is spotless once more for our enjoyment. Mr Terry said.. “We make the reasonable request of asking professional photographers and film-makers to alert our staff to their plans in advance when using council land, including Poole beaches, for commercial shoots,” The Daily Echo ignored this request and.. .. 'ploughed on regardless'. (with zero insurance and zero risk assesment carried out I hasten to add. And if some cyclist for example falls off his bike because he has crashed into a photographers poorly placed bag, it's us, the taxpayer that gets sued. Irresponsible by the daily echo!) Why didn't the daily echo inform the beach office that they planned to do a shoot on the beach? Surely it would only take one telephone call. At NO POINT has the council said it was illegal to take photos on the beach. So alot of you have missed the point completely. Well done beach workers. Keep up the good work. Oh, and to the person who said that lifeguards just 'sun-bathe' all day.. you my friend, are so far from knowledgable. Our lifeguards do a fantastice job and are mature and professional well in advance of their youthful appearance and, they may just save your life one day. Consider that! splitpea
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7:45pm Thu 3 Jun 10

MartiB says...

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11:22pm Thu 3 Jun 10

zagzig says...

Give Beach 8 a break

Yep buy him a one way ticket to North Korea, we'll all chip in to cover the costs.

I'd happily pay double council tax if all the other idiots at the town hall could be shipped off too.
[quote]Give Beach 8 a break[/quote] Yep buy him a one way ticket to North Korea, we'll all chip in to cover the costs. I'd happily pay double council tax if all the other idiots at the town hall could be shipped off too. zagzig
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10:24am Fri 4 Jun 10

surfingglyn says...

No splitpea,

YOU are missing the point - being, that everyone on the beach who looks like Aunty Mabel or Uncle Joe can rightly and legally snap away anything from half naked kids and beach babes to landscapes and water-sports, it is immoral and unethical to make false assumptions that anyone with a 'big looking camera' could be a threat and therefore be unfairly penalised.

The witch-hunt brigade who see every photographer as either a paedophile, pervert or terrorist already taker delight in pointing the finger out of nothing more than bigoted curiosity, just to see the effect (a mini moment of power for insecure people) - so can you imagine what they will think when they see beach wardens regularly stopping every bloke with a camera? It is the witnessed spectacle of being tarred with the same brush, falsely accused and guilty by association.

I am a professional landscape photographic artist, have been for 30 years full time. My work is seen in books, magazines and on TV. I have been photographing beaches all over the UK and Europe and so far I have never had some jumped up jobs-worth asking me what I am doing, and quite rightly so, as I am not vaguely interested in shooting any of the things some people on this thread have accused photographers of.

I refuse to be made to "look like" a criminal or pervert, in front of thousands of people on some half-baked notion that a person with a camera is some sort of threat to society.

This is utter stupidity, in fact really quite pathetic, and once again makes the British the laughing stock of the world, in their desperate attempts to wrap their own people in cotton-wool - this time figure-headed by Bournemouth Council, what insightful thinkers they must be - not !!!
No splitpea, YOU are missing the point - being, that everyone on the beach who looks like Aunty Mabel or Uncle Joe can rightly and legally snap away anything from half naked kids and beach babes to landscapes and water-sports, it is immoral and unethical to make false assumptions that anyone with a 'big looking camera' could be a threat and therefore be unfairly penalised. The witch-hunt brigade who see every photographer as either a paedophile, pervert or terrorist already taker delight in pointing the finger out of nothing more than bigoted curiosity, just to see the effect (a mini moment of power for insecure people) - so can you imagine what they will think when they see beach wardens regularly stopping every bloke with a camera? It is the witnessed spectacle of being tarred with the same brush, falsely accused and guilty by association. I am a professional landscape photographic artist, have been for 30 years full time. My work is seen in books, magazines and on TV. I have been photographing beaches all over the UK and Europe and so far I have never had some jumped up jobs-worth asking me what I am doing, and quite rightly so, as I am not vaguely interested in shooting any of the things some people on this thread have accused photographers of. I refuse to be made to "look like" a criminal or pervert, in front of thousands of people on some half-baked notion that a person with a camera is some sort of threat to society. This is utter stupidity, in fact really quite pathetic, and once again makes the British the laughing stock of the world, in their desperate attempts to wrap their own people in cotton-wool - this time figure-headed by Bournemouth Council, what insightful thinkers they must be - not !!! surfingglyn
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2:25pm Fri 4 Jun 10

MartiB says...

I would ask those with the 'pitch fork' mob mentality to go and search out images by a photographer called Martin Parr. To dispel some myths, the law for taking images of adults and children in public places is the same, there is no difference. This does not mean that the person taking the images is a paedophile, it may just mean that they are a documentary photographer and do not want to alert the subject as the moment may be lost as people change when they know a camera is pointing at them, which any half decent photographer will know rather than getting the usual mundane cheesy grin photos.
It is time that people started using a little bit of common sense and not knee jerk reactions a paedophile or terrorist is not going to set up and be overt about there photography, in this day an age they are going to hide a small device and do things discreetly. Looking at recent cases these people were not photographers but teachers, nursery assistants, you don't go and start burning down their houses. Paedophiles have always been around, we are just more aware of them these days.
Do people want a complete ban on all photography, which is the only way to control it. So when you are sat their in 20, 30, 40 50 years in care home with nothing more than your fading memory or do you want to look at images of what used to be and the happy times.
I would ask those with the 'pitch fork' mob mentality to go and search out images by a photographer called Martin Parr. To dispel some myths, the law for taking images of adults and children in public places is the same, there is no difference. This does not mean that the person taking the images is a paedophile, it may just mean that they are a documentary photographer and do not want to alert the subject as the moment may be lost as people change when they know a camera is pointing at them, which any half decent photographer will know rather than getting the usual mundane cheesy grin photos. It is time that people started using a little bit of common sense and not knee jerk reactions a paedophile or terrorist is not going to set up and be overt about there photography, in this day an age they are going to hide a small device and do things discreetly. Looking at recent cases these people were not photographers but teachers, nursery assistants, you don't go and start burning down their houses. Paedophiles have always been around, we are just more aware of them these days. Do people want a complete ban on all photography, which is the only way to control it. So when you are sat their in 20, 30, 40 50 years in care home with nothing more than your fading memory or do you want to look at images of what used to be and the happy times. MartiB
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6:55pm Tue 8 Jun 10

kiltnasty says...

Note:
The council own nothing - it is all taxpayers property.
Note: The council own nothing - it is all taxpayers property. kiltnasty
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7:27pm Tue 8 Jun 10

Boscomite says...

As a keen amateur photographer, I often take photos of public events such as carnivals fetes etc. Inevitably there does tend to be children present in these situations. I have occasionally been asked by a police officer why I’m taking photographs as some parent has shown some concern. If I was some perv trying to take “dodgy” pictures, there are cameras on the market far more discreet than the DSLR that I use. Also about 80% of children who are abused are abused by a member of family or close family friend, therefore the person complaining is statistically a greater risk to the child than I am. Finally it is not illegal to photograph a uniformed officer and even if it was, as soon as they remove their shoulder ID number, they are no longer in uniform. I have sent several letters and emails to members of parliament , the council and the chief constable asking for the law to be clarified on this matter and had no reply. Perhaps this would be a worthwhile campaign for the Echo. Not to get the law changed but to let us know where we stand.
As a keen amateur photographer, I often take photos of public events such as carnivals fetes etc. Inevitably there does tend to be children present in these situations. I have occasionally been asked by a police officer why I’m taking photographs as some parent has shown some concern. If I was some perv trying to take “dodgy” pictures, there are cameras on the market far more discreet than the DSLR that I use. Also about 80% of children who are abused are abused by a member of family or close family friend, therefore the person complaining is statistically a greater risk to the child than I am. Finally it is not illegal to photograph a uniformed officer and even if it was, as soon as they remove their shoulder ID number, they are no longer in uniform. I have sent several letters and emails to members of parliament , the council and the chief constable asking for the law to be clarified on this matter and had no reply. Perhaps this would be a worthwhile campaign for the Echo. Not to get the law changed but to let us know where we stand. Boscomite
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10:38pm Tue 8 Jun 10

soultrain says...

photo7 wrote:
Oh yes the pedophiles, then why don't you hassle them and leave the genuine photographers in peace. It seems that you idiots think that the size of camera and lenses matters, the man with a pro looking camera must be the terrorist or pedo. Yet people with phone cameras (including women) can covertly go about there business with no apparent concern from the idiots who hassle photographers. Yes these phones can take remarkably good pictures and movies, yet they can use them anywhere with absolutely no concerns, so there’s another parting shot for you.
Well said !! who on earth do these councils think they are. With all the parking charges and now this crap, I'm suprised any want's to visit at all !
[quote][p][bold]photo7[/bold] wrote: Oh yes the pedophiles, then why don't you hassle them and leave the genuine photographers in peace. It seems that you idiots think that the size of camera and lenses matters, the man with a pro looking camera must be the terrorist or pedo. Yet people with phone cameras (including women) can covertly go about there business with no apparent concern from the idiots who hassle photographers. Yes these phones can take remarkably good pictures and movies, yet they can use them anywhere with absolutely no concerns, so there’s another parting shot for you.[/p][/quote]Well said !! who on earth do these councils think they are. With all the parking charges and now this crap, I'm suprised any want's to visit at all ! soultrain
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12:53pm Wed 9 Jun 10

caracus says...

Hickery wrote:
"The Council" would do well to remember who their paymaster is. I pay my taxes, including Council Tax, so I own them, and I own 'their' beach. It's OUR country, OUR county, OUR town & OUR beach. Not theirs! So I'll take pictures of it and the rest of our beautiful coastline as and when I please, thank you VERY much!
Its the perverts and conflict of interest property dealers who man head up our CONcil who think they own the town.
[quote][p][bold]Hickery[/bold] wrote: "The Council" would do well to remember who their paymaster is. I pay my taxes, including Council Tax, so I own them, and I own 'their' beach. It's OUR country, OUR county, OUR town & OUR beach. Not theirs! So I'll take pictures of it and the rest of our beautiful coastline as and when I please, thank you VERY much![/p][/quote]Its the perverts and conflict of interest property dealers who man head up our CONcil who think they own the town. caracus
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12:29pm Thu 10 Jun 10

jezblog says...

Don't lets make Britain a police State. Let people take photos for their albums. Let the Echo take photos without having to ask permission of the authorities. Personal freedom and press freedom are really what defines a civilized society. people in North Korea can not take photographs and need permission from the State for all aspects of their lives. Lets be glad we don't live there and protect and be proud of our freedoms.

Cheers Jez

www.jezblog.com
Don't lets make Britain a police State. Let people take photos for their albums. Let the Echo take photos without having to ask permission of the authorities. Personal freedom and press freedom are really what defines a civilized society. people in North Korea can not take photographs and need permission from the State for all aspects of their lives. Lets be glad we don't live there and protect and be proud of our freedoms. Cheers Jez www.jezblog.com jezblog
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