British Airways cabin crew strike to go ahead (From Bournemouth Echo)

traindriver3ss says...
3:28pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Well nobody can say you haven't tried everything you can guys! Not that it will stop people on here blaming you but BEST OF LUCK!!!

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Friarscliff says...
3:39pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Whilst any strike is an admission of defeat by both parties concerned, I think this strike has to go ahead if this dispute is eventually to be resolved. It has been threatened and rumbling in the background for far too long. Assumably it will eventually be settled in one way or another - hopefully before the main holiday travel season is here. I just hope both sides remeber about winning a battle but losing the war. We'll see.

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Bournehammer68 says...
4:54pm Fri 19 Mar 10

TD33, the only thing I blame them for is following a jumped up militant, ex-docker who revels in the chaos he caused on the liverpool docks before they virtually closed down. he has crawled to the top of unite and now he's determined to destroy BA before joining Teamsters, the most militant US union and going global.
BEST OF LUCK, you say, at the jobcentre I add coz that's where this'll end.
I note you'll be on strike soon too or is that just the signal men?

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contric says...
5:01pm Fri 19 Mar 10

i would question the timing of teh actionand the damage it could do to labours chances of being re-elected

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Bournehammer68 says...
5:23pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Modern unions no longer seem to care about the workers they represent, as they are merely proving-grounds for future politicians who never went to Eton or studied in Oxbridge. Having said that, without union protection, many of the rights of workers wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for historically strong trades union presense. The right to withdraw labour is somewhat old fashioned now, so personally I see no point of a strike, but a work to rule/overtime ban in this age of excessive working hours certainly does make an employer **** up their ears. Perhaps we need a new model of trades union and employer relationship, built around a common goal, rather than the bickering, point-scoring we have today. Only then will such labour disputes be a thing of the past.

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CoogarUK.com says...
5:59pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Farewell to the valuable travel perks given to overpaid striking BA cabin crew.

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West Howe Sean says...
6:07pm Fri 19 Mar 10

My advice to anyone that is not appreciated by their employer is to find another job where they are appreciated.

These workers should walk away and create your own opportunities.

I would not allow myself to be taken advantage of in the way these cabin crew have

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Henry Bear says...
6:09pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Once again the greed of a few heaps pain on others.

I really hope this sends BA to the wall and they all lose their jobs.

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Peggy Babcock says...
9:29pm Fri 19 Mar 10

So, if this strike action brings down the airline, and it folds meaning all lose their job, is that classed as a result in the eyes of the union?

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contric says...
10:15pm Fri 19 Mar 10

well said bournehammer68

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Pineview says...
11:12pm Fri 19 Mar 10

The people who are against the BA crew on here will be the same ones in a few years time saying how bad the service is on BA.
Be interesting to see if they will lower their fares to the similar ones being charged by the the airlines that pay much less wages (or so is said).
Yes over 2000 crew have left BA since this all started 2 years ago.yes thats how long this has been going on ,the crew that is left is feeling that all the people with experience have gone.
Why is it that in this country we belittle people who have worked productively in a company for decades yet we applaud some irish upstart that was thrown out of his last job by the irish government for destroying a national airline
Why do we reiterate time after time facts in the media that are not substantiated. ie the pay of cabin crew in BA is eaxactly what Virgin pay but not the same as Ryan air, as its a totally different operation.
Maybe when Ryan air flies across the atlantic and you have to pay to use the washroom maybe lets see how much he pays his crew.
I only hope for all your sakes that you are never cornered into strike action like this.
I personally know alot of crew who will work tomorrow because of the abusive intimidation by the company.
Including phone calls telling them they will be sacked if they dare to strike,and we live in a democracy???
I really wish some of you would look beyond your rose tinted glasses and realise that these people are not left wing miners but middle class who always thought by working wellina big company they were protected what a laugh.

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BH10et says...
11:36pm Fri 19 Mar 10

How can the loss of one cabin crew make the system inefficient in future. What a stupid statement. Unite and its leaders have no care for the BA workers at all, no more than the workers have for their company who have employed them in a most decent fashion for many years until like most companies it needs to make cutbacks. Most of the crew who will be removed will be the wrinkly ones who have been in service for a long time, and will no doubt end up as ground crew, probaby on a lesser wage, but still in work. Traindriver talks out of his backside as another Trade Unionist set on causing disruption with the future rail strike. It is obvious that many do not realise that joining up with the American Teamsters, or indeed having them on your side is suicidal. They are evil in the states, for the like we do not want over here. Wally Walsh and the BA company are doing the right thing. There is only one group that can stop the strike, and that is Unite iself. By the way, there are many out there looking for work, many of whom would jump to be Cabin Crew on a prestigious airline.

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traindriver3ss says...
1:54am Sat 20 Mar 10

BH10et wrote:
How can the loss of one cabin crew make the system inefficient in future. What a stupid statement. Unite and its leaders have no care for the BA workers at all, no more than the workers have for their company who have employed them in a most decent fashion for many years until like most companies it needs to make cutbacks. Most of the crew who will be removed will be the wrinkly ones who have been in service for a long time, and will no doubt end up as ground crew, probaby on a lesser wage, but still in work. Traindriver talks out of his backside as another Trade Unionist set on causing disruption with the future rail strike. It is obvious that many do not realise that joining up with the American Teamsters, or indeed having them on your side is suicidal. They are evil in the states, for the like we do not want over here. Wally Walsh and the BA company are doing the right thing. There is only one group that can stop the strike, and that is Unite iself. By the way, there are many out there looking for work, many of whom would jump to be Cabin Crew on a prestigious airline.

Once again you show your complete ignorance of trade union matters! So my vocalising my support for these people who feel they have no choice but now to lose wages and withdraw their labour makes me a trouble maker? As I have told you before I have been on strike one day in over 12 years!!! I believe the time before that was in 1982. So one day in 28 years and you class us as left wing militant trouble makers!!!! How about checking your facts before you start throwing accusations around? The rail strike your going on about I think is the signallers, different union, different job, different employer! But yes i shall support them as well even if just to annoy you!!! Your comment is just like blaming BA if the air traffic controllers were to go on strike! Although no doubt you would and be stupid enough to publish it on here! You are a fool pure and simple (not because you disagree with the strike that is your prerogative but because of the half cocked accusations you through around)! I would love to know what you do for a living or did do for a living if you are retired or on benefits! I'd almost bet you have never done a days work in your life!!

[quote][p][bold]BH10et[/bold] wrote: How can the loss of one cabin crew make the system inefficient in future. What a stupid statement. Unite and its leaders have no care for the BA workers at all, no more than the workers have for their company who have employed them in a most decent fashion for many years until like most companies it needs to make cutbacks. Most of the crew who will be removed will be the wrinkly ones who have been in service for a long time, and will no doubt end up as ground crew, probaby on a lesser wage, but still in work. Traindriver talks out of his backside as another Trade Unionist set on causing disruption with the future rail strike. It is obvious that many do not realise that joining up with the American Teamsters, or indeed having them on your side is suicidal. They are evil in the states, for the like we do not want over here. Wally Walsh and the BA company are doing the right thing. There is only one group that can stop the strike, and that is Unite iself. By the way, there are many out there looking for work, many of whom would jump to be Cabin Crew on a prestigious airline.[/p][/quote]Once again you show your complete ignorance of trade union matters! So my vocalising my support for these people who feel they have no choice but now to lose wages and withdraw their labour makes me a trouble maker? As I have told you before I have been on strike one day in over 12 years!!! I believe the time before that was in 1982. So one day in 28 years and you class us as left wing militant trouble makers!!!! How about checking your facts before you start throwing accusations around? The rail strike your going on about I think is the signallers, different union, different job, different employer! But yes i shall support them as well even if just to annoy you!!! Your comment is just like blaming BA if the air traffic controllers were to go on strike! Although no doubt you would and be stupid enough to publish it on here! You are a fool pure and simple (not because you disagree with the strike that is your prerogative but because of the half cocked accusations you through around)! I would love to know what you do for a living or did do for a living if you are retired or on benefits! I'd almost bet you have never done a days work in your life!! traindriver3ss

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Brite Spark says...
3:12am Sat 20 Mar 10

traindriver3ss wrote:
Well nobody can say you haven't tried everything you can guys! Not that it will stop people on here blaming you but BEST OF LUCK!!!

... ... said the train driver who knows a thing or two about going on strike and causing misery to the punters whom he is supposed to be there for.

Remember who runs these companies, it is not the unions. The unions are now trying to bite the hand that feeds them, BA and rail staff who strike will find little sympathy amongst the general public.

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CoogarUK.com says...
4:07am Sat 20 Mar 10

@traindriver3ss: I think the rail dispute is RMT members employed by Network Rail as maintenance workers. The signallers is a side issue that may spill over and make matters even worse. Anyone who goes on strike these days - even just for one day - should consider themselves lef-wing. Anyone. Strikes are a thing of the past and they are living in the past. I've no sympathy whatsoever for any of them. They need to join the real world and stop being nannied & manipulated. The current disputes are nothing about workers but all about the unions posturing about who they want to replace Gordon Brown with after he has lost the election. Get real.

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Roginthesouth says...
8:57am Sat 20 Mar 10

I sympathise with those being misled by union leaders such as Tony Woodley who manipulate situations for their own gratification. His accusation of “BA of wanting a "war" with the union” is a ridiculous accusation to make to an employer with a business to run in a competitive industry. His tone and is very similar to the Rail Workers union leader on the news last night, where he was blaming everything on “Management”
This style and attitude is going back 20 years…. which is one reason why manufacturing has died a death in the UK.
Employers and employees need to work together to remain competitive and stay in business. The cultivation of a “them and us” culture is a road to destruction, and will have their competitors rubbing their hands with glee.

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traindriver3ss says...
12:36pm Sat 20 Mar 10

Brite Spark wrote:

traindriver3ss wrote:
Well nobody can say you haven't tried everything you can guys! Not that it will stop people on here blaming you but BEST OF LUCK!!!
... ... said the train driver who knows a thing or two about going on strike and causing misery to the punters whom he is supposed to be there for.

Remember who runs these companies, it is not the unions. The unions are now trying to bite the hand that feeds them, BA and rail staff who strike will find little sympathy amongst the general public.

What makes you think they want it? I know the one day I was on strike a couple of years ago I couldn't care less if the public supported me it had nothing to do with them, it was a dispute between the staff and management!! I suspect the BA cabin crew feel the same. You never win public support because of the lies that get peddled in the press. And many of the public treat you with contempt whilst at work anyway!

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traindriver3ss says...
12:39pm Sat 20 Mar 10

Roginthesouth wrote:
I sympathise with those being misled by union leaders such as Tony Woodley who manipulate situations for their own gratification. His accusation of “BA of wanting a "war" with the union” is a ridiculous accusation to make to an employer with a business to run in a competitive industry. His tone and is very similar to the Rail Workers union leader on the news last night, where he was blaming everything on “Management”
This style and attitude is going back 20 years…. which is one reason why manufacturing has died a death in the UK.
Employers and employees need to work together to remain competitive and stay in business. The cultivation of a “them and us” culture is a road to destruction, and will have their competitors rubbing their hands with glee.

The reason manufacturing is dead is nothing to do with the unions!! And everything to do with that evil vindictive witch Thatcher who smashed it!!!

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Bournehammer68 says...
4:02pm Sat 20 Mar 10

traindriver3ss wrote:

Roginthesouth wrote: I sympathise with those being misled by union leaders such as Tony Woodley who manipulate situations for their own gratification. His accusation of “BA of wanting a "war" with the union” is a ridiculous accusation to make to an employer with a business to run in a competitive industry. His tone and is very similar to the Rail Workers union leader on the news last night, where he was blaming everything on “Management” This style and attitude is going back 20 years…. which is one reason why manufacturing has died a death in the UK. Employers and employees need to work together to remain competitive and stay in business. The cultivation of a “them and us” culture is a road to destruction, and will have their competitors rubbing their hands with glee.
The reason manufacturing is dead is nothing to do with the unions!! And everything to do with that evil vindictive witch Thatcher who smashed it!!!

How long can you possibly go on blaming Margret Thatcher for every thing TD3SS??????
She was PM until 1990 thats 20 years ago. Your beloved Labour party have been in power since 1997!!!
Sadly they haven't been in control for any of that which is why you must keep blaming what happened 20 years ago for the state of things now.
Time to move on now isn't it?

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traindriver3ss says...
4:11pm Sat 20 Mar 10

I don't blame her for everything, just the things she did!! The state of things now????? Things are immeasurably better for just about everyone now than they were back then!

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traindriver3ss says...
4:36pm Sat 20 Mar 10

She or her policy's were responsible for quite a number of deaths through her policy's! During her tenure thousands of elderly people faced the choice of heat or eat and many died of hypothermia as a result. Because of her ravaging of the health service and waiting lists of often over 18 months many people died on those waiting lists. Miners died during the strike as did some children scavenging for coal and that's not including many who committed suicide at this time! That's the tip of the iceberg. Now i accept we were in tough economic times then but the country was still one of the wealthiest in the world and could have afforded for those elderly people not to die and for those people on the waiting lists to have been seen much quicker! The miners that's a whole different story and i guess will come down to your individual viewpoint of the strike! These are the things I blame her for along with much of the current crime from kids who have never seen their parents or even grandparents work and see " no such thing as society" its all me me me me me!

Under labour just about every one i know is much better of financially now than they were in 1997 yes even some of my wealthier friends. My children go to school and use a computer , when reading books they have a book each, their classroom doesn't leak water ( when i was at school in the 1980's we shared 3 or 4 to a book, when it rained we had a supply of buckets to catch the water and had 2 computers in the whole school ( the computers i will accept is just a sign of technological progress though)

When at work i and every other employee in the country can refuse to work more than 48 hours a week if i choose ( which i do),Most people are entitled to a minimum break of 11 hours between shifts. My employer has to give me a minimum of 5 weeks (inc bank holidays) paid leave a year, They have to offer me an occupation pension. When my eldest child was born i was legally entitled to 4 weeks off unpaid, when my younger 3 years later i was entitled to 2 weeks at £120 a week ( yeah i know its not much but its a start) as well as the unpaid time, From birth until 5 years of age i was entitled to take 4 weeks per year unpaid to spend time with them. If i were in a less skilled occupation i would be entitled to a minimum wage.

My elderly parents get £250 per year towards their heating costs to ensure they don't die of hypothermia, They are entitled to free bus travel.

When i had to have an operation 6 years ago i was seen by a consultant and operated on within 4 months. Not the 18 months i had to wait to see a consultant under the previous administration.

Unemployment is already falling and never reached the 4 million under the Tories. And god knows how many it would have been had slimy Cameron been in charge at the time of the credit crunch. Remember he wanted to let the banks go to the wall ( you only have to look at the 1930's to see the precedent for allowing that)

My mortgage rate has never gone above 8% ( I'm currently paying under 1%) unlike the 15% base rate of the last government. Just a few snippets, Try remembering what Tory government is like! This government is far far from perfect but so much better than the alternative!!

She or her policy's were responsible for quite a number of deaths through her policy's! During her tenure thousands of elderly people faced the choice of heat or eat and many died of hypothermia as a result. Because of her ravaging of the health service and waiting lists of often over 18 months many people died on those waiting lists. Miners died during the strike as did some children scavenging for coal and that's not including many who committed suicide at this time! That's the tip of the iceberg. Now i accept we were in tough economic times then but the country was still one of the wealthiest in the world and could have afforded for those elderly people not to die and for those people on the waiting lists to have been seen much quicker! The miners that's a whole different story and i guess will come down to your individual viewpoint of the strike! These are the things I blame her for along with much of the current crime from kids who have never seen their parents or even grandparents work and see " no such thing as society" its all me me me me me! Under labour just about every one i know is much better of financially now than they were in 1997 yes even some of my wealthier friends. My children go to school and use a computer , when reading books they have a book each, their classroom doesn't leak water ( when i was at school in the 1980's we shared 3 or 4 to a book, when it rained we had a supply of buckets to catch the water and had 2 computers in the whole school ( the computers i will accept is just a sign of technological progress though) When at work i and every other employee in the country can refuse to work more than 48 hours a week if i choose ( which i do),Most people are entitled to a minimum break of 11 hours between shifts. My employer has to give me a minimum of 5 weeks (inc bank holidays) paid leave a year, They have to offer me an occupation pension. When my eldest child was born i was legally entitled to 4 weeks off unpaid, when my younger 3 years later i was entitled to 2 weeks at £120 a week ( yeah i know its not much but its a start) as well as the unpaid time, From birth until 5 years of age i was entitled to take 4 weeks per year unpaid to spend time with them. If i were in a less skilled occupation i would be entitled to a minimum wage. My elderly parents get £250 per year towards their heating costs to ensure they don't die of hypothermia, They are entitled to free bus travel. When i had to have an operation 6 years ago i was seen by a consultant and operated on within 4 months. Not the 18 months i had to wait to see a consultant under the previous administration. Unemployment is already falling and never reached the 4 million under the Tories. And god knows how many it would have been had slimy Cameron been in charge at the time of the credit crunch. Remember he wanted to let the banks go to the wall ( you only have to look at the 1930's to see the precedent for allowing that) My mortgage rate has never gone above 8% ( I'm currently paying under 1%) unlike the 15% base rate of the last government. Just a few snippets, Try remembering what Tory government is like! This government is far far from perfect but so much better than the alternative!! traindriver3ss

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CoogarUK.com says...
5:41pm Sat 20 Mar 10

I think that traindriver3ss just proved that the views which he shares with the unions are nothing to do about workers or customers but all about politics.

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traindriver3ss says...
6:34pm Sat 20 Mar 10

No coogar i think you will find that my post was an answer to a specific accusation that i A) blame the a certain Margaret Thatcher for everything ( which i do not). And B) about how terrible things are at the moment under labour ( which i clearly disagree with and demonstrated with FACTUAL evidence) Or perhaps as a lowly train driver i should do as I'm told by the clearly superior people here. Or am not entitled to an opinion and to defend myself!!!

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CoogarUK.com says...
7:09pm Sat 20 Mar 10

traindriver3ss, If you're in a union (or a political party) then you're probably used to doing as you're told!

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traindriver3ss says...
12:03pm Sun 21 Mar 10

Wow coogaruk you really don't understand how unions work do you?> maybe its just mine. you see instructions flow up the line form the members via branch meetings up to the Ec. The Executive Committee are instructed by the branches. Every official is elected on a one member one vote system. From the local reps right up to the general secretary and executive committee. No strike action can be taken without a ballot of members and most strike ballots are overwhelmingly in support. How is that being told what to do???? Cant comment on political party's as its been 20 years since i was a member of one!!

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CoogarUK.com says...
9:24pm Sun 21 Mar 10

All I need to understand about today's unions is that they put political influence above their members' interests.

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CoogarUK.com says...
12:31am Mon 22 Mar 10

Today's strikes lack the one crucial ingredient they must have in order to succeed: Public support. Watch the BA strike crumble. Live & learn.

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traindriver3ss says...
2:25am Mon 22 Mar 10

why do strikes need public support coogar? they are a dispute between the workers and the management. The one day i was on strike we never had public support ( when does any rail worker get that even when we are working) and we still won. The management saw the sense of our argument a compromise was reached and things have been very pleasant since! I don't believe my union has ever put political influence above my interest! never seen any evidence of it! Looks like your wrong again?

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CoogarUK.com says...
6:42pm Mon 22 Mar 10

What did you win traindriver3ss, a turnip?

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traindriver3ss says...
1:43am Tue 23 Mar 10

NO the argument it would seem as you have not come back with any valid points?

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CoogarUK.com says...
3:45pm Tue 23 Mar 10

Perfectly valid point: What do you think you 'won' by going on strike?

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traindriver3ss says...
6:50pm Tue 23 Mar 10

We had management honouring their agreements!!! That's what we went on strike for and that's what we got!! Similar to another story maybe?/?

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ekimnoslen says...
11:14am Thu 25 Mar 10

As we never see an unbiased summary of the case for both sides it is almost impossible for the public to assess the pros and cons. Let's just get it over with. Our economy needs this like a hole in the head.

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