14-year-old: "I want sex change" (From Bournemouth Echo)

"More on this story in tomorrow's Echo."

I can't wait.

If he's felt this way since age 2 he clearly knows his own mind, and perhaps can never be happy unless he changes gender. Good luck to him, I hope it works out.

At least have the decency to refure to this child as female. That is what the child wishes to be and wishes to be treated as. So good luck to HER. Don't make things more difficult by calling her a boy, that just makes people think there;s something wrong with the child.
I pray the school sees sense and that the medical proffesion give up this stupid idea that children should wait until they are 18 until they transition, by which time the damage of puberty is done.

This is a very serious issue that is usually swept under the carpet causing untold heartache for many people young and old who feel they have a body that is at odds with their gender.

I'm really disgusted that the school didn't at least allow her to wear the girls' uniform. I say to the school: If you don't want to be an organisation that mentally abuses children - allow her to wear the girls' uniform NOW!

Judging by other media reports on this story, this child has suffered a LOT of bullying over being trans, and it does seem that they have a bullying problem at this particular school which they are failing to address.

Have a sex change by all means,but you pay for it mate.There are more deserving cases with genuine illnesses that have priority.

Katie T wrote:
I'm really disgusted that the school didn't at least allow her to wear the girls' uniform. I say to the school: If you don't want to be an organisation that mentally abuses children - allow her to wear the girls' uniform NOW!

Judging by other media reports on this story, this child has suffered a LOT of bullying over being trans, and it does seem that they have a bullying problem at this particular school which they are failing to address.

Well said Katie T !!!!

I hope the Echo will cover this story responsibly and NOT fall into the tabloid manner of journalism that they sometimes fall into.

I do not understand how the school can say NO!

Just an opinion...
I notice that (from the story in the Sun) His father left when he was 2, how much of this is His wishes and how much is His Mothers influence.

How can a child say He wants to be a Girl at the age of 2? I don't know of any 2 year olds that are that gender aware.

Tripod wrote:
Just an opinion...
I notice that (from the story in the Sun) His father left when he was 2, how much of this is His wishes and how much is His Mothers influence.

How can a child say He wants to be a Girl at the age of 2? I don't know of any 2 year olds that are that gender aware.

Pretty good vocabulary too for a 2 year old! Sounds a bit suspicious and quite possibly financially motivated. I agree with ski that this should certainly not be financed on the NHS. I suspect the Sun would pay for it as it would no doubt be news for years to come.

ski wrote:
Have a sex change by all means,but you pay for it mate.There are more deserving cases with genuine illnesses that have priority.

If having the wrong body isn't a genuine illness then what is?

Just think about it for a minute - Put yourself in her position.

West Howe Sean wrote:

ski wrote: Have a sex change by all means,but you pay for it mate.There are more deserving cases with genuine illnesses that have priority.

If having the wrong body isn't a genuine illness then what is? Just think about it for a minute - Put yourself in her position.

Have you considered that it may be his mind that is not ok. If someone believes they are Richard the 3rd or belives that they are Hitler reincarnated - should we aggree with them? Should we pay for them to have some help - yes - some concaling.
This guys mother should be locked up for child abuse - she has obviously feminized the poor lad.
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Being in the wrong body is total nonsense - its a lie and a mental delusion. This case is about a sickness of the mind - better to get your mind sorted and keep your crown jewles than end up in limbo without knowing who the hell you are.

mark0peters wrote:

West Howe Sean wrote:

ski wrote: Have a sex change by all means,but you pay for it mate.There are more deserving cases with genuine illnesses that have priority.

If having the wrong body isn't a genuine illness then what is? Just think about it for a minute - Put yourself in her position.

Have you considered that it may be his mind that is not ok. If someone believes they are Richard the 3rd or belives that they are Hitler reincarnated - should we aggree with them? Should we pay for them to have some help - yes - some concaling.
This guys mother should be locked up for child abuse - she has obviously feminized the poor lad.
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Being in the wrong body is total nonsense - its a lie and a mental delusion. This case is about a sickness of the mind - better to get your mind sorted and keep your crown jewles than end up in limbo without knowing who the hell you are.

How can you say that it is a lie and a delusion when you are not experiencing it yourself - Perhaps you should do some reading and educate yourself instead of making ill informed offensive comments.

mark0peters, life is far less black and white than your polarised views claim to lead.

Your belief that Georgie has been feminised is flawed.

Another person with the same flawed belief system was Dr. Money.
Dr. Money (back in the '70's) encouraged a family to raise a boy as a girl owing to a surgical mistake in the belief that he would be assimilated. Later in life the boy rejected this forced feminisation and de-transitioned.

Our genes appear to control us, the mind isn't always in control.

West Howe Sean wrote:

mark0peters wrote:

West Howe Sean wrote:

ski wrote: Have a sex change by all means,but you pay for it mate.There are more deserving cases with genuine illnesses that have priority.

If having the wrong body isn't a genuine illness then what is? Just think about it for a minute - Put yourself in her position.

Have you considered that it may be his mind that is not ok. If someone believes they are Richard the 3rd or belives that they are Hitler reincarnated - should we aggree with them? Should we pay for them to have some help - yes - some concaling. This guys mother should be locked up for child abuse - she has obviously feminized the poor lad. ... Being in the wrong body is total nonsense - its a lie and a mental delusion. This case is about a sickness of the mind - better to get your mind sorted and keep your crown jewles than end up in limbo without knowing who the hell you are.

How can you say that it is a lie and a delusion when you are not experiencing it yourself - Perhaps you should do some reading and educate yourself instead of making ill informed offensive comments.

Without a good father - the time of boyhood is full of confusion. Mine was. How can we learn manhood - from other men.
As it happens I quite understand the situation and the confusion such thoughts and feelings cause.
They come from gender dysphoria (assuming i've spelt it correctly). However i dissagree with the theory that these thoughts will be at peace when someone changes sex.
Often the thoughts change and the male becomes then stuck a female. (vise versa)
These thoughts feel like reality - but that does not make it so.
Even if the fantasy is encouraged by the mother - it does not meant that its the right thing to do.
A friend of mine also has sczitzofrenia and was convinced for a long time that someones head was inside her washing machine - but that did not make it so - even though many times we took the machine appart to show her it was a normal machine.
The mind is fragile and just because your mind tells you to kill yourself/change sex/attack someone/sleep with someone - does not meant that you should just do it.
Think soberly and logically about these massive issues - admit you might be sick and dont agree with all the psycologists and psychiatrists - there not always right - there only theorists.
Surgery is not the best option and its a lie that someone is trapped in a different body. The truth is that they are deluded and need some help to accept the body they were born with.
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People regret getting a tatoo - but they may regret much more gatting there sex changed - and theres no turning back.

mark0peters wrote:

West Howe Sean wrote:

mark0peters wrote:

West Howe Sean wrote:

ski wrote: Have a sex change by all means,but you pay for it mate.There are more deserving cases with genuine illnesses that have priority.

If having the wrong body isn't a genuine illness then what is? Just think about it for a minute - Put yourself in her position.

Have you considered that it may be his mind that is not ok. If someone believes they are Richard the 3rd or belives that they are Hitler reincarnated - should we aggree with them? Should we pay for them to have some help - yes - some concaling. This guys mother should be locked up for child abuse - she has obviously feminized the poor lad. ... Being in the wrong body is total nonsense - its a lie and a mental delusion. This case is about a sickness of the mind - better to get your mind sorted and keep your crown jewles than end up in limbo without knowing who the hell you are.

How can you say that it is a lie and a delusion when you are not experiencing it yourself - Perhaps you should do some reading and educate yourself instead of making ill informed offensive comments.

Without a good father - the time of boyhood is full of confusion. Mine was. How can we learn manhood - from other men.
As it happens I quite understand the situation and the confusion such thoughts and feelings cause.
They come from gender dysphoria (assuming i've spelt it correctly). However i dissagree with the theory that these thoughts will be at peace when someone changes sex.
Often the thoughts change and the male becomes then stuck a female. (vise versa)
These thoughts feel like reality - but that does not make it so.
Even if the fantasy is encouraged by the mother - it does not meant that its the right thing to do.
A friend of mine also has sczitzofrenia and was convinced for a long time that someones head was inside her washing machine - but that did not make it so - even though many times we took the machine appart to show her it was a normal machine.
The mind is fragile and just because your mind tells you to kill yourself/change sex/attack someone/sleep with someone - does not meant that you should just do it.
Think soberly and logically about these massive issues - admit you might be sick and dont agree with all the psycologists and psychiatrists - there not always right - there only theorists.
Surgery is not the best option and its a lie that someone is trapped in a different body. The truth is that they are deluded and need some help to accept the body they were born with.
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People regret getting a tatoo - but they may regret much more gatting there sex changed - and theres no turning back.

No you don't understand what it's like to know you are trapped in the wrong gender, how could you possibly comprehend that? You've always known who you are, what you are; all your life. You KNEW you were a boy and no-one disagreed with you. No one beat you up or hunted you through the streets of your home town, no one called you names or shunned you. So how could you understand?

And you are wrong, trans people are not deluded - and I resent that comment - nor do we need "help" to be cured, so we can live with the body we were born with! Surgery is not only the best option, it is the only option. Don't be a bigot just because you can't understand us.

And you are also wrong about regrets, there aren't any for any true transsexual - that would be a transsexual who has undergone psychiatric evaluations, the life test and more BEFORE surgery, just like this young trans girl will.

To @Jo Rrith: Being trapped in the wrong gender is a terrible state of mind:- but it is a lie from the mind to the body. It is a problem that many face alone.
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I do understand how it feels -without going into personal private details. I did not know who I was when I was young and throughout my youth.
I was beaten up and was bullied, I was not "hunted" but there was not much of a hunt to find me. (I reckon your exagerating there dear) I fought back often and did not let the bullies win.
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After a tough childhood and youth I know who I am now. I am certainly glad that I did not make the disasterous decision to have a sex change.
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I value my maleness - but I am no typical male. I value my creativity that some people might consider feminine traits. I have learned from other male role models how to be a man and all this without a decent Father.
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Men and women are not opposites - A man is not the opposite of a woman - he is meerly different.
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We are all along the spectrum of gender and being comfortable with your body - takles time and affirmation from others.
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It takes time to know who you are and for anyone who feels like they dont fit the mould of a man - consider that - just because your not a typical man - does not make you a woman -It makes you very special.
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There are many "lost" men who desire strongly to be a woman - but really they desire the thing that they most lack - a real woman. If they had a real women - then there mind would realign and they would desire her like a man.

I am hetrosexual also - meaning that I am attracted only to women.

i don't really hold an opinion on what is essentially a private matter for this young person and family. What I am wondering, is why has the Echo allowed comments on this, yet no comments allowed on the Police sweeping 40 odd percent of crime under the carpet, and leaders of our council using tax payers property to view ****? The Echo seems to be run by the "old boys" network.

Training for a place on BB already

I'm sorry, a boy goes to school wearing make up and bangles and then complains of being bullied. A mother complains because the NHS wont fund what is essentially cosmetic surgery and that her son isn't allowed to wear the girls school uniform. Is it April 1st already?

I'm surprised this boy isn't a member of Mensa having the mental capabilities and vocabulary to voice his concerns and knowing already at the age of 2 that he wanted to be a girl.

By all means find a country that will allow this sort of operation and pay for it privately but please dont complain in the mean time.

Also - I find it hard to believe that the mother is not facing allegations of "Grooming" as she seems to have been a massive influence in this boys behaviour -who knows if its sexual or not and what is going on behind the doors.
If she was another adult and invited a young boy over for dressing upgames - she might be arrested.
I wonder where the line is drawn?
When does it become normal for those who have perverse thinking to groom the vunerable? -Never.
I find it also amazing that the line "bigot" is given on every occasion like this. This is assuming that they are the only one who understands the situation and 95% of the rest of soiciety just dont understand. What a proud idea that no one else (exept transexuals) has faced this problem. Maybe many have survived this probl;em and gone on to be normal men.

@ Markopeters: Exageratting! No I'm not, I WAS hunted through the streets of my home town because a gang of 18/19 year olds decided they didn't like what I am. And yes I fought back, I've never once allowed bullies and bigots to win.

No you really do NOT understand. You are not transsexual and you clearly don't understand why we are what we are, why this child is what she is. Desiring a woman is NOT what a transsexual is or needs, in that you are seriously mistaken.
I AM a woman, this child IS a girl. Our having surgery is NOT a disaster! Do some proper research in to this condition, not just assume you know what you are talking about - you clearly do not.

@greglarry: Don't be a bigot

Jo Rrith wrote:
@ Markopeters: Exageratting! No I'm not, I WAS hunted through the streets of my home town because a gang of 18/19 year olds decided they didn't like what I am. And yes I fought back, I've never once allowed bullies and bigots to win.

No you really do NOT understand. You are not transsexual and you clearly don't understand why we are what we are, why this child is what she is. Desiring a woman is NOT what a transsexual is or needs, in that you are seriously mistaken.
I AM a woman, this child IS a girl. Our having surgery is NOT a disaster! Do some proper research in to this condition, not just assume you know what you are talking about - you clearly do not.

@greglarry: Don't be a bigot

Since when did expressing an opinion make you a bigot. Or is one a bigot simply for disagreeing with you?

Jo Rrith wrote:
At least have the decency to refure to this child as female. That is what the child wishes to be and wishes to be treated as. So good luck to HER. Don't make things more difficult by calling her a boy, that just makes people think there;s something wrong with the child. I pray the school sees sense and that the medical proffesion give up this stupid idea that children should wait until they are 18 until they transition, by which time the damage of puberty is done.

Well, excuse me all over the place, I'm sure. I apologize for wishing this person well and referring to his current physical gender only.

Phil67 wrote:

Jo Rrith wrote:
@ Markopeters: Exageratting! No I'm not, I WAS hunted through the streets of my home town because a gang of 18/19 year olds decided they didn't like what I am. And yes I fought back, I've never once allowed bullies and bigots to win.

No you really do NOT understand. You are not transsexual and you clearly don't understand why we are what we are, why this child is what she is. Desiring a woman is NOT what a transsexual is or needs, in that you are seriously mistaken.
I AM a woman, this child IS a girl. Our having surgery is NOT a disaster! Do some proper research in to this condition, not just assume you know what you are talking about - you clearly do not.

@greglarry: Don't be a bigot

Since when did expressing an opinion make you a bigot. Or is one a bigot simply for disagreeing with you?

When that opinion is illinformed AND offensive. To suggest that the child is doing this to be a part of big brother is bigotted.

rainbowkisses wrote:
i don't really hold an opinion on what is essentially a private matter for this young person and family. What I am wondering, is why has the Echo allowed comments on this, yet no comments allowed on the Police sweeping 40 odd percent of crime under the carpet, and leaders of our council using tax payers property to view ****? The Echo seems to be run by the "old boys" network.

Actually, that's a very good point. This should be a personal matter, and I wonder what the motivation of the mother is in going to the media?

You cannot legally get a tattoo in England until you're 18. By the time someone's 18, they should know their own mind well enough to know that they want something that is all but impossible to reverse. So maybe this child (child being the operative word here) should wait until then and be completely certain of what they're saying. Teenage years can be emotional and physical turmoil at the best of times, without adding surgery to this.

Mind you, if they're as advanced at 14 as they must've been at 2yrs maybe they already do...........

Hokum wrote:

rainbowkisses wrote:
i don't really hold an opinion on what is essentially a private matter for this young person and family. What I am wondering, is why has the Echo allowed comments on this, yet no comments allowed on the Police sweeping 40 odd percent of crime under the carpet, and leaders of our council using tax payers property to view ****? The Echo seems to be run by the "old boys" network.

Actually, that's a very good point. This should be a personal matter, and I wonder what the motivation of the mother is in going to the media?

To help her daughter get the operation she needs before puberty starts and male characteristics start to develop.

The more people that are aware of her predicament the better as it helps other people in the same situation realise they are not alone and puts pressure on the NHS to realise the importance of early surgical intervention.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if they haven't a clue what they're talking about. If I don't know about something, I make the effort to learn about it rather than make myself look a fool. I can't insist others do likewise; I can just offer it as sound advice as generations before me have done.

If you want to know about transsexual women, listen to what they have to say. Simples.

West Howe Sean wrote:

Hokum wrote:

rainbowkisses wrote: i don't really hold an opinion on what is essentially a private matter for this young person and family. What I am wondering, is why has the Echo allowed comments on this, yet no comments allowed on the Police sweeping 40 odd percent of crime under the carpet, and leaders of our council using tax payers property to view ****? The Echo seems to be run by the "old boys" network.

Actually, that's a very good point. This should be a personal matter, and I wonder what the motivation of the mother is in going to the media?

To help her daughter get the operation she needs before puberty starts and male characteristics start to develop. The more people that are aware of her predicament the better as it helps other people in the same situation realise they are not alone and puts pressure on the NHS to realise the importance of early surgical intervention.

Fair point.

Personally, I would love to have a sex change, then perhaps my wife would work 7 days a week and I could play golf with Ladies Who Lunch!

West Howe Sean wrote:

Hokum wrote:

rainbowkisses wrote: i don't really hold an opinion on what is essentially a private matter for this young person and family. What I am wondering, is why has the Echo allowed comments on this, yet no comments allowed on the Police sweeping 40 odd percent of crime under the carpet, and leaders of our council using tax payers property to view ****? The Echo seems to be run by the "old boys" network.

Actually, that's a very good point. This should be a personal matter, and I wonder what the motivation of the mother is in going to the media?

To help her daughter get the operation she needs before puberty starts and male characteristics start to develop. The more people that are aware of her predicament the better as it helps other people in the same situation realise they are not alone and puts pressure on the NHS to realise the importance of early surgical intervention.

She has a son not a daughter - legally he is a boy.
The boy should be taken into care as he has the right to be brought up as a man and because of the mother has been abused and groomed to become a girl. possibly this is an elaborate attack on the father.
If at 18 he decides that he wants to have a sex change then at least he will have made an informed choice. The Mother should be locked up in a psychiatric ward for life.

Jo Rrith wrote:

@greglarry: Don't be a bigot

Pot n Kettle!!!

mark0peters wrote:

West Howe Sean wrote:

Hokum wrote:

rainbowkisses wrote: i don't really hold an opinion on what is essentially a private matter for this young person and family. What I am wondering, is why has the Echo allowed comments on this, yet no comments allowed on the Police sweeping 40 odd percent of crime under the carpet, and leaders of our council using tax payers property to view ****? The Echo seems to be run by the "old boys" network.

Actually, that's a very good point. This should be a personal matter, and I wonder what the motivation of the mother is in going to the media?

To help her daughter get the operation she needs before puberty starts and male characteristics start to develop. The more people that are aware of her predicament the better as it helps other people in the same situation realise they are not alone and puts pressure on the NHS to realise the importance of early surgical intervention.

She has a son not a daughter - legally he is a boy.
The boy should be taken into care as he has the right to be brought up as a man and because of the mother has been abused and groomed to become a girl. possibly this is an elaborate attack on the father.
If at 18 he decides that he wants to have a sex change then at least he will have made an informed choice. The Mother should be locked up in a psychiatric ward for life.

I really worry about people like you that appear so narrow minded and blinkered.

I would respectfully suggest that you need to take a step back and seriously think about the needs of the individual involved.

Empathy is good.

This story and related comments are quite clearly a figment of my imagination so I don't need to worry about what i say about it:
If the boy is actually naturally a girl why would he/she need a sex change at all? Why not let nature sort it out?
Are people not born male or female any more, or is it now down to the child's mother to encourage the child to be a certain sex and then resort to surgery if things don't turn out how they want?
What does the boy's father have to say about all of this, or is this 'family' too PC to need a man involved at all?
The Echo seems to get more like The Sun every day - I suggest they rename it 'The Dorset Daily Sun'; sounds idyllic don't you think?

Write your own stories Jane Reader, don't just copy them out of The Sun - that's cheating.

Jason Lawford wrote:

Katie T wrote: I'm really disgusted that the school didn't at least allow her to wear the girls' uniform. I say to the school: If you don't want to be an organisation that mentally abuses children - allow her to wear the girls' uniform NOW! Judging by other media reports on this story, this child has suffered a LOT of bullying over being trans, and it does seem that they have a bullying problem at this particular school which they are failing to address.

Well said Katie T !!!! I hope the Echo will cover this story responsibly and NOT fall into the tabloid manner of journalism that they sometimes fall into. I do not understand how the school can say NO!

Thanks, Jason - I totally agree.

I probably sounded a bit aggressive in my previous post - and I'm sorry for adopting that tone - but I really do think that, for starters, the school should recognize that since this young student is prepared to go by the rules and wear school uniform then, therefore, they should reciprocate by doing the decent thing on their part and allowing her to wear the girls' uniform if she so chooses. In fact, by not doing so, they are actually appeasing the bullies by lending credence to the idea that transgender behaviour should not be tolerated. At 14 years' of age, a kid has enough to cope with as it is - without her school taking the side of the bullies who call her 'a freak' - which is what they're actually doing here.

This young student is at an important, indeed crucial, time in her life both personally and educationally. The way she is treated now could define the rest of her entire life; whether or not she goes on to higher education - her future career prospects. Every child has a right to an education; an environment in which they have a chance to learn and develop which is free from fear - so doesn't she deserve this just as much as any other child?

And, I bet too, that this school (like most these days) boasts proudly of its committment to 'gender diversity' and has all its 'equal opportunities' policies emblazoned all over its *official* bumpf. Yep, no doubt they let proclaim from the rooftops all these fine, upstanding ideals - yet when it comes to the crunch, what happens?

They're so not hung-up about gender that they can't even let a 14-year-old transgirl wear a skirt or girls' uniform to school.

Furthermore, why do they have to insist that boys and girls dress differently any way? If they're so keen on having a school uniform why not have one smart unisex uniform for ALL pupils? Surely, pupils are there to be taught - not brainwashed into being flesh and blood replicas of plastic Ken and Barbie dolls.

Katie T wrote:

Jason Lawford wrote:

Katie T wrote: I'm really disgusted that the school didn't at least allow her to wear the girls' uniform. I say to the school: If you don't want to be an organisation that mentally abuses children - allow her to wear the girls' uniform NOW! Judging by other media reports on this story, this child has suffered a LOT of bullying over being trans, and it does seem that they have a bullying problem at this particular school which they are failing to address.

Well said Katie T !!!! I hope the Echo will cover this story responsibly and NOT fall into the tabloid manner of journalism that they sometimes fall into. I do not understand how the school can say NO!

Thanks, Jason - I totally agree. I probably sounded a bit aggressive in my previous post - and I'm sorry for adopting that tone - but I really do think that, for starters, the school should recognize that since this young student is prepared to go by the rules and wear school uniform then, therefore, they should reciprocate by doing the decent thing on their part and allowing her to wear the girls' uniform if she so chooses. In fact, by not doing so, they are actually appeasing the bullies by lending credence to the idea that transgender behaviour should not be tolerated. At 14 years' of age, a kid has enough to cope with as it is - without her school taking the side of the bullies who call her 'a freak' - which is what they're actually doing here. This young student is at an important, indeed crucial, time in her life both personally and educationally. The way she is treated now could define the rest of her entire life; whether or not she goes on to higher education - her future career prospects. Every child has a right to an education; an environment in which they have a chance to learn and develop which is free from fear - so doesn't she deserve this just as much as any other child? And, I bet too, that this school (like most these days) boasts proudly of its committment to 'gender diversity' and has all its 'equal opportunities' policies emblazoned all over its *official* bumpf. Yep, no doubt they let proclaim from the rooftops all these fine, upstanding ideals - yet when it comes to the crunch, what happens? They're so not hung-up about gender that they can't even let a 14-year-old transgirl wear a skirt or girls' uniform to school. Furthermore, why do they have to insist that boys and girls dress differently any way? If they're so keen on having a school uniform why not have one smart unisex uniform for ALL pupils? Surely, pupils are there to be taught - not brainwashed into being flesh and blood replicas of plastic Ken and Barbie dolls.

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2 year olds dont ask to be girls unless they are parroting there parents.There is somthing very odd about this.

Jonkers wrote:

Katie T wrote:

Jason Lawford wrote:

Katie T wrote: I'm really disgusted that the school didn't at least allow her to wear the girls' uniform. I say to the school: If you don't want to be an organisation that mentally abuses children - allow her to wear the girls' uniform NOW! Judging by other media reports on this story, this child has suffered a LOT of bullying over being trans, and it does seem that they have a bullying problem at this particular school which they are failing to address.

Well said Katie T !!!! I hope the Echo will cover this story responsibly and NOT fall into the tabloid manner of journalism that they sometimes fall into. I do not understand how the school can say NO!

Thanks, Jason - I totally agree. I probably sounded a bit aggressive in my previous post - and I'm sorry for adopting that tone - but I really do think that, for starters, the school should recognize that since this young student is prepared to go by the rules and wear school uniform then, therefore, they should reciprocate by doing the decent thing on their part and allowing her to wear the girls' uniform if she so chooses. In fact, by not doing so, they are actually appeasing the bullies by lending credence to the idea that transgender behaviour should not be tolerated. At 14 years' of age, a kid has enough to cope with as it is - without her school taking the side of the bullies who call her 'a freak' - which is what they're actually doing here. This young student is at an important, indeed crucial, time in her life both personally and educationally. The way she is treated now could define the rest of her entire life; whether or not she goes on to higher education - her future career prospects. Every child has a right to an education; an environment in which they have a chance to learn and develop which is free from fear - so doesn't she deserve this just as much as any other child? And, I bet too, that this school (like most these days) boasts proudly of its committment to 'gender diversity' and has all its 'equal opportunities' policies emblazoned all over its *official* bumpf. Yep, no doubt they let proclaim from the rooftops all these fine, upstanding ideals - yet when it comes to the crunch, what happens? They're so not hung-up about gender that they can't even let a 14-year-old transgirl wear a skirt or girls' uniform to school. Furthermore, why do they have to insist that boys and girls dress differently any way? If they're so keen on having a school uniform why not have one smart unisex uniform for ALL pupils? Surely, pupils are there to be taught - not brainwashed into being flesh and blood replicas of plastic Ken and Barbie dolls.

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Great contribution to the debate, Jonkers:)

Btw Jonkers, have you ever thought about becoming a speechwriter for your pal http://www.bournemou
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Question_Time_/ Nick Griffin of the BNP? That said, you'll probably have to simplify it a bit as 14 words does strike one as rather ambitious for your average neo-nazi, n'est pas?

Some of the comments here are ridiculous.

People, the child in question has twice tried to commit suicide. Posting comments on here referring to them as a "freak" are hardly going to help.

Have an opinion by all means, but is there any need to resort to such a low as to insult someone who is going through enough as it is at the moment. None of you even know this child, so why insist on being so offensive toward them?

As a note, Gender-dysphoria is a recognised disorder. It's not a fantasy, or a forced lifestyle from the parents, so what, does being a supportive parent now mean you're abusive? Give me a break.

How do you even have time to post on here anyway? Don't you have witches to burn at the stake?

Katie T wrote:
Btw Jonkers, have you ever thought about becoming a speechwriter for your pal http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/46 90773.Is_BNP_leader_ Nick_Griffin_a_suita ble_guest_for_BBC_s_ Question_Time_/ Nick Griffin of the BNP? That said, you'll probably have to simplify it a bit as 14 words does strike one as rather ambitious for your average neo-nazi, n'est pas?

Because I yack at long winded diatribes stuffed full of cliches and hand wringing from atop a soap box makes me a neo nazi? Hmmmm.
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Suggestions that the whole school system should change its uniform on the basis of one, shall we agree on individual?, is exactly the sort of P.C. crap that has dragged society in general into the situation we have to suffer.

The_Baron wrote:
Some of the comments here are ridiculous. People, the child in question has twice tried to commit suicide. Posting comments on here referring to them as a "freak" are hardly going to help. Have an opinion by all means, but is there any need to resort to such a low as to insult someone who is going through enough as it is at the moment. None of you even know this child, so why insist on being so offensive toward them? As a note, Gender-dysphoria is a recognised disorder. It's not a fantasy, or a forced lifestyle from the parents, so what, does being a supportive parent now mean you're abusive? Give me a break. How do you even have time to post on here anyway? Don't you have witches to burn at the stake?

I agree with the general sentiment expressed in your post, Baron - but I'd like to make clear that I was actually pointing out that this young student had cruelly been called a 'freak' (please note exclamation marks) by some of her classmates at school.

If you've got time to do a quick 'google' of this news story, this aspect of the bullying she has suffered has been mentioned in other news reports and although it's saddening and upsetting to quote it here I felt it necessary to do so in order to convey the intensity of the abuse that this young student has suffered.

If you'll be kind enough to take another look at my posts they have actually been supportive of this young student and against the sexism and transphobia that she has had to endure from some of her bullying peers - the attitude and actions of which, in my opinion, have been shamefully reinforced by the school's refusal to let her wear a girl's uniform to class.

"Suggestions that the whole school system should change its uniform on the basis of one, shall we agree on individual?, is exactly the sort of P.C. crap that has dragged society in general into the situation we have to suffer. "

So, in short Jonkers (since you're averse to "long-winded diatribes stuffed full of cliches etc.") you're saying that instead of dealing with "the situation that we have to suffer" - why not let's find a scapegoat instead to blame it all onto (preferably an already marginalised minority group calculated to have a low risk of being able to effectively hit back etc.) - I mean, just like Hitler did. That should solve things, eh?

"Suggestions that the whole school system should change its uniform on the basis of one, shall we agree on individual?, is exactly the sort of P.C. crap that has dragged society in general into the situation we have to suffer."

Btw Jonkers, I was just questioning *why* so many schools are so insistent that there should be different uniforms for boys and different ones for girls. Isn't forcing everyone to be 'gendered' whether they like it or not just another form of the "PC crap" you so dread, too?

Try to understand that this child has no choice. She HAS to do this in order to survive and be a productive member of the community. You don't have to understand the cause, you don't have to be a docter, suffer from the condition or be a left thinking liberal to be accepting.
This child needs medical help, without it she'll suffer badly until the day she can finally take no more and manages to commit suicide. That's not the fault of her mother, she hasn't been groomed or forced and having a loving father in her life, living with her and showing her how to be a man would have made no difference. This child is who she is, whinning about the state of society today, accusing the mother of grooming, suggesting the child - who has had to live with this all her life - doesn't know what she's talking about and is too young to make this choice, or denying her medical care on the NHS because there are others who can't get the help they need; is frankly inhuman. BE human, help this young transgirl get the assistance she needs - and that's not the bigotry and transphobic attack kind of "help" that some have shown. Nor does helping this girl involve carting her mother off to prison, handing her over to social services and forcing her to be a boy. I'm glad I don't live in a Britain like that!
You don't have to understand her and others like us, just be understandING.

Katie T wrote:

The_Baron wrote: Some of the comments here are ridiculous. People, the child in question has twice tried to commit suicide. Posting comments on here referring to them as a "freak" are hardly going to help. Have an opinion by all means, but is there any need to resort to such a low as to insult someone who is going through enough as it is at the moment. None of you even know this child, so why insist on being so offensive toward them? As a note, Gender-dysphoria is a recognised disorder. It's not a fantasy, or a forced lifestyle from the parents, so what, does being a supportive parent now mean you're abusive? Give me a break. How do you even have time to post on here anyway? Don't you have witches to burn at the stake?

I agree with the general sentiment expressed in your post, Baron - but I'd like to make clear that I was actually pointing out that this young student had cruelly been called a 'freak' (please note exclamation marks) by some of her classmates at school. If you've got time to do a quick 'google' of this news story, this aspect of the bullying she has suffered has been mentioned in other news reports and although it's saddening and upsetting to quote it here I felt it necessary to do so in order to convey the intensity of the abuse that this young student has suffered. If you'll be kind enough to take another look at my posts they have actually been supportive of this young student and against the sexism and transphobia that she has had to endure from some of her bullying peers - the attitude and actions of which, in my opinion, have been shamefully reinforced by the school's refusal to let her wear a girl's uniform to class.

I think you misunderstood me, my comment wasn't directed at you, but toward those, who have made their own offensive comments about the individual.

In the later article, on which comments have been closed one person used the term "freak of nature" to describe Georgie, among others.

Sorry Baron, I didn't follow the comments on the later article.

Although, I have to admit that from time-to-time I'm usually pretty good at putting my foot in it because of my tendency to be a bit too over pessimistic and dwell on the negative things, nevertheless;)

Yes, those comments do sound pretty awful(!) Pretty hurtful for anyone - especially a 14-year-old.

Katie T wrote:
"Suggestions that the whole school system should change its uniform on the basis of one, shall we agree on individual?, is exactly the sort of P.C. crap that has dragged society in general into the situation we have to suffer. " So, in short Jonkers (since you're averse to "long-winded diatribes stuffed full of cliches etc.") you're saying that instead of dealing with "the situation that we have to suffer" - why not let's find a scapegoat instead to blame it all onto (preferably an already marginalised minority group calculated to have a low risk of being able to effectively hit back etc.) - I mean, just like Hitler did. That should solve things, eh?

Unbelievable.
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Wearing a school uniform = Hitler's Germany 1930 / 1945?
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Your histrionics have argued my case far better than my limited eloquence.

You're putting words into my mouth now, Jonkers.

I wrote that using minority groups as a scapegoat instead of dealing with economic and political issues was, and is, a facet of totalitarianism - using Hitler as a past example.

Btw...as for your earlier accusation that I'm somehow talking cliche-ridden pc crap, you might care to notice that in that very same post I'm actually criticizing supposedly politically correct 'gender diversity' policies that many schools claim to have for turning out (in instances like this one) to be little more than hollow promises - merely well-worn cliches. As, by now, has become the tired old tabloid mantra: "Oooh...it's political correctness gone mad, Mabel!"

Somehow, I get the impression that you jumped in the deep-end before actually reading my post as, of yet, you have not been able to properly debate its actual content beyond the 'blah, blah, blah' stage, dear:)

The 'individal rights versus group rights' bit that you mentioned would have made an interesting debate, though.

Interesting?

Hmmmm. I truly think not.

Anyway I'm off to find "an already marginalised minority group calculated to have a low risk of being able to effectively hit back ", you know what with me being a neo-facist and everything.

Oh one last thing before I go. did I make any negative comments about the individual this article was actually about? Oh it seems not.

Enjoy your hand wringing and goodbye.

"...you know what with me being a neo-facist and everything."

Oh come on, Jonkers - I'm sure you're not that bad. But I just wished you'd argued more about the content of my post as a pose to what you feel is its lack of style. Admittedly, being concise is not one of my strong points(!) but I do feel there's a tendency these days to look for simplistic explanations and answers when, in fact, issues are often more complex than that - maybe (on occasion) I can be guilty of that, too? Anyway, Ta ta for now!