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9:00am Friday 9th October 2009
A MUM shopping with her 14-year-old son was told she couldn’t give him a heavy shopping bag to carry – because it contained a bottle of wine.
Gill Power-Forward had just finished at the check-out at the Canford Heath Asda store and was handing the heavier of the two bags to her strapping teenage son Andrew to take to the car.
But she was stunned to be stopped by the cashier, who insisted she carry the heavy bag herself because it had the bottle of wine in – and her son might drink it.
Gill told the Daily Echo she thought it was a joke – but the cashier maintained that that was the rule.
Gill said: “I didn’t know what to say. The world’s gone mad was all I could think – it’s crazy.”
The 56-year-old, of Spur Hill Avenue, Parkstone, added: “Suppose I’d been in a wheelchair and was unable to carry the bag.
“Hasn’t this stupidity gone far enough?
“Do adults have to be treated like children, too?”
A spokesman for Asda apologised, adding: “We pride ourselves on being a responsible retailer and on this occasion our colleagues at the Canford Heath store were being overly cautious.
“We hope that this hasn’t put Mrs Power-Forward off shopping at Asda in future.”
It is the latest in a string of incidents involving zealous shop assistants which have enraged mums shopping with their children.
The Echo reported recently how mum Lyn Hutchings was stopped from buying a bottle of wine as an anniversary gift at the Co-op in Parkstone because her 12-year-old son was with her.
And in the national media a woman was reportedly prevented from buying a pair of scissors because she allowed her toddler to hand them to the cashier.
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ry8000, Bournemouth says...
9:54am Fri 9 Oct 09
wrote:If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.
anderton, whitecliff says...
10:00am Fri 9 Oct 09
wrote:I have done security at this store,and there have been many problems with underage drinking,problems which extend all over the estate,why do some of these parents moan,they know the rules and the problems,and should be supporting the stores measures.
This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.
62131115661144495, Poole says...
10:43am Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills, says...
10:44am Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
10:46am Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills wrote:I'm amazed they allow a computer in your padded room...
I mean I wanted some brown and some white enlevoples, but was told at the till I could only have the ones that came in white, I was asked for identity before being refused, I mean I am nearly 39 and a half.
Was Charlie, says...
10:57am Fri 9 Oct 09
ben111, Ringwood says...
11:34am Fri 9 Oct 09
[Chris], WWW says...
11:51am Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000 wrote:Very wrong ry8000. Why do you think security is at the entrances, and the supermarket is responsible for the premises outside of the store, ie, the car parks etc. Rules are rules, and if it means the supermarket covering themselves to a greater extent then so be it. Knowing the Echo, this was a plant I expect to see the response. Normally someone shopping would use a trolley as a matter of course. Why did she not, thuse illeviating any possible recourse on this matter.
wrote:If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.
carlspurg, bournemouth says...
12:13pm Fri 9 Oct 09
Was Charlie wrote:Didn't this happen? I recall stores being told not to sell eggs and flour to school children on last day of school.
The world has gone totally mad!!!!! Next it will be a child can't carry a bag containing eggs in case they intend to throw them at people.
Where has common sense gone?
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
12:24pm Fri 9 Oct 09
wrote:Sorry, that's incorrect. If you have paid for your goods and are committing no crime, the store have no legal right to detain you. In this situation you are within your rights to calmly leave. If the store are unhappy, then they can call the police. But again, if you've committed no crime, then you needn't be afraid of the police being called... it's a non-issue really.
ry8000 wrote:Very wrong ry8000. Why do you think security is at the entrances, and the supermarket is responsible for the premises outside of the store, ie, the car parks etc. Rules are rules, and if it means the supermarket covering themselves to a greater extent then so be it. Knowing the Echo, this was a plant I expect to see the response. Normally someone shopping would use a trolley as a matter of course. Why did she not, thuse illeviating any possible recourse on this matter.wrote: This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
frank bills, says...
12:28pm Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills, says...
12:42pm Fri 9 Oct 09
djdaface, Bournemouth says...
12:58pm Fri 9 Oct 09
mikeh2000, says...
1:03pm Fri 9 Oct 09
Bournemouthstorm, Bournemouth (Town Centre) says...
1:32pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000 wrote:.But a crime has been committed. The woman has given alcohol to someone under age in a public place. If the women had been buying the alcohol for the teenage lad then it’s the cashier that can be prosecuted for supplying alcohol to someone under age, so they have to be careful.
wrote:Sorry, that's incorrect. If you have paid for your goods and are committing no crime, the store have no legal right to detain you. In this situation you are within your rights to calmly leave. If the store are unhappy, then they can call the police. But again, if you've committed no crime, then you needn't be afraid of the police being called... it's a non-issue really. Secondly, the whole point about a trolley is irrelevant. People regularly just pop to the supermarket for a few items, hence the reason they have baskets.ry8000 wrote:Very wrong ry8000. Why do you think security is at the entrances, and the supermarket is responsible for the premises outside of the store, ie, the car parks etc. Rules are rules, and if it means the supermarket covering themselves to a greater extent then so be it. Knowing the Echo, this was a plant I expect to see the response. Normally someone shopping would use a trolley as a matter of course. Why did she not, thuse illeviating any possible recourse on this matter.wrote: This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
frank bills, says...
1:45pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000 wrote:Dear ry8000 .Its not in my room its in the day room by the main office near the A R V, its a 52" HD LCD TV / PC with 4gb ram,120gb Hard Drive, and its got a Wifi. when I first saw the monitor on the table up the corner I thought it was a very big microwave oven .
frank bills wrote: I mean I wanted some brown and some white enlevoples, but was told at the till I could only have the ones that came in white, I was asked for identity before being refused, I mean I am nearly 39 and a half.I'm amazed they allow a computer in your padded room...
GB1980, Southbourne says...
1:48pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000 wrote:That is the kind of attitude that caused the problem in the first place - if kids are going around committing crimes while drunk the question of where they got the alcohol is going to come up.
wrote:If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
1:56pm Fri 9 Oct 09
Bournemouthstorm wrote:Carry a bag containing alcohol is not a crime, regardless of the age of the person... it's a crime if there is intent to consume it illegally, or if the act is committed. Then if a crime was committed the police should have been called. ASDA are not the police, and cannot detain someone; they've even admitted that they made a mistake. If this lady had simply walked away then we wouldn't even be discussing this. That's as far as my point goes.
ry8000 wrote:.But a crime has been committed. The woman has given alcohol to someone under age in a public place. If the women had been buying the alcohol for the teenage lad then it’s the cashier that can be prosecuted for supplying alcohol to someone under age, so they have to be careful.wrote:Sorry, that's incorrect. If you have paid for your goods and are committing no crime, the store have no legal right to detain you. In this situation you are within your rights to calmly leave. If the store are unhappy, then they can call the police. But again, if you've committed no crime, then you needn't be afraid of the police being called... it's a non-issue really. Secondly, the whole point about a trolley is irrelevant. People regularly just pop to the supermarket for a few items, hence the reason they have baskets.ry8000 wrote:Very wrong ry8000. Why do you think security is at the entrances, and the supermarket is responsible for the premises outside of the store, ie, the car parks etc. Rules are rules, and if it means the supermarket covering themselves to a greater extent then so be it. Knowing the Echo, this was a plant I expect to see the response. Normally someone shopping would use a trolley as a matter of course. Why did she not, thuse illeviating any possible recourse on this matter.wrote: This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
frank bills, says...
2:10pm Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills wrote:Hello ry8000,I forgot to mention I got a freecom music pal in my room with over 20 thousand radio stations.
ry8000 wrote:Dear ry8000 .Its not in my room its in the day room by the main office near the A R V, its a 52" HD LCD TV / PC with 4gb ram,120gb Hard Drive, and its got a Wifi. when I first saw the monitor on the table up the corner I thought it was a very big microwave oven .frank bills wrote: I mean I wanted some brown and some white enlevoples, but was told at the till I could only have the ones that came in white, I was asked for identity before being refused, I mean I am nearly 39 and a half.I'm amazed they allow a computer in your padded room...
terry1965, bournemouth says...
2:10pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
2:14pm Fri 9 Oct 09
GB1980 wrote:I'm not displaying any attitude, I'm merely stating facts. If ASDA were concerned that the child was going to consume the alcohol then they were breaching laws by selling it in the first place; stipulating who carries it is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. I'm all for preventing alcohol related crime, but we need a common sense approach.
ry8000 wrote:That is the kind of attitude that caused the problem in the first place - if kids are going around committing crimes while drunk the question of where they got the alcohol is going to come up. I'm guessing the rule of "Refuse sale if the alcohol is likely to be given to a child" was created with the intention of stopping kids hanging around outside off licences and asking adults to go in and buy booze for them.wrote: This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
2:22pm Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills wrote:... and I bet you just listen to white noise... no doubt the voices tell you to.
frank bills wrote:Hello ry8000,I forgot to mention I got a freecom music pal in my room with over 20 thousand radio stations.ry8000 wrote:Dear ry8000 .Its not in my room its in the day room by the main office near the A R V, its a 52" HD LCD TV / PC with 4gb ram,120gb Hard Drive, and its got a Wifi. when I first saw the monitor on the table up the corner I thought it was a very big microwave oven .frank bills wrote: I mean I wanted some brown and some white enlevoples, but was told at the till I could only have the ones that came in white, I was asked for identity before being refused, I mean I am nearly 39 and a half.I'm amazed they allow a computer in your padded room...
[Chris], WWW says...
2:41pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000 wrote:ry8000....not once to you recognise the rules of the supermarket. Their policies are in place to ensure that at no time they are permitting anyone under age of being involved with alcohol. If that means doing what ASDA did then that is their policy. Parents, relatives should also be aware of this, and know that a supermarket has reasons as to why they do this. You may call the teller of zealous, or over the top, nevertheless, she was only carrying out orders of her store, as she was taught in her induction training.
wrote:Sorry, that's incorrect. If you have paid for your goods and are committing no crime, the store have no legal right to detain you. In this situation you are within your rights to calmly leave. If the store are unhappy, then they can call the police. But again, if you've committed no crime, then you needn't be afraid of the police being called... it's a non-issue really.
ry8000 wrote:Very wrong ry8000. Why do you think security is at the entrances, and the supermarket is responsible for the premises outside of the store, ie, the car parks etc. Rules are rules, and if it means the supermarket covering themselves to a greater extent then so be it. Knowing the Echo, this was a plant I expect to see the response. Normally someone shopping would use a trolley as a matter of course. Why did she not, thuse illeviating any possible recourse on this matter.wrote: This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
Secondly, the whole point about a trolley is irrelevant. People regularly just pop to the supermarket for a few items, hence the reason they have baskets.
[Chris], WWW says...
2:57pm Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills, says...
3:00pm Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills, says...
3:01pm Fri 9 Oct 09
frank bills, says...
3:16pm Fri 9 Oct 09
salomeuk, Poole says...
3:30pm Fri 9 Oct 09
Lord Spring, says...
3:38pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
3:56pm Fri 9 Oct 09
wrote:I'm sorry but you're still wrong. All I'm saying is that there needn't even be any confrontation. Can you please explain, since you seem to know everything, what the supermarket can legally do to stop you walking out and going home? Bearing in mind, you've already paid, and you have no intention to let the child drink the alcohol unsupervised. You may wish to consider that carrying alcohol, as a child with an adult present, is not illegal. And as I previously noted, if the supermarket had concerns they shouldn't have sold it in the first place. Honestly, you're really getting wound up over nothing here...
ry8000....after responding above, I read your inane comments to other members, and each time you do not seem to grasp the rules that supermarkets have to adhere to. Put yourself in the shoes of the check out girl. She checks the shopping through the till, and it is bagged up. The mother then gives the bag to her son to carry. On leaving the store, the mother decides to go to the cigarette counter, and the son wonders out of the store. He is met with security or a visiting Police Officer on duty. Either notices the wine in the bag. Not wishing to accuse his mother, he tells the security and or the Police that he purchased it, and was allowed through the check out. That check out girl is in big trouble, and will have to pay any charges, fines herself, and no doubt lose her job. . Had the son said he was holding it for his mother whilst she was at another counter, she would have been cautioned as the ruling of under age persons having alcohol in their possession. . Grasp that ry8000 and you might see what the matter is about. The reason of the trolley is obvious. The contents of the shopping would have not been needed to be carried by her son. . Now it is the end of the story.......
[Chris], WWW says...
4:25pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
4:35pm Fri 9 Oct 09
wrote:But she'd finished at the checkout according to the story, implying that she'd already paid. And my entire point is based around this... if she's paid, the supermarket no longer have a say...
ry8000...I do not appear to know everything, I could say the same to you, but have no intention of doing so, or inferring that you are getting wound up. All I am doing is pointing out the supermarket policies, and the reasons as to why they are in place. It makes no difference of being on the premises or not. At the time of purchase, the cashier followed her company ruling, and insisted that the under age person did not carry the bag. If that was being over zealous, then the supermarket will tell her so, but at the time she was abiding by the rulings laid down in all supermarket operators inductions on joining the company. . Simples really.............. .
[Chris], WWW says...
4:44pm Fri 9 Oct 09
ry8000, Bournemouth says...
4:53pm Fri 9 Oct 09
wrote:You do seem to be going on too... and remember, I just made a simple statement that I stand by. It's interesting that you think a supermarket has the right to tell you what to do... amazing. Thankfully, for all our sakes, you're wrong. You are more than welcome to carry on thinking that though, but meanwhile in the real world...
Yes ry8000 Crikey.....dont you go on. The fact is she was still on the premises of the supermarket, which is why the cashier, maybe over zealously, taking her training to heart, stopped the woman handing the package over to the underage person. The policies of the supermarket is just that, no one underage is permitted to have alcohol. . It is plain and simple. Get over it. . Or are you implying that it is OK for an adult to by alcohol, and once paid for, it is OK to hand it over to an underage person........Crikey .........but of course you do not advocate that do you. . Like I and others have said, the supermarkets are saving their own skins, regardless of where the boundaries stop.
paul2, bournemouth says...
4:59pm Fri 9 Oct 09
upyourpipe, Bearcross says...
5:17pm Fri 9 Oct 09
[Chris], WWW says...
5:18pm Fri 9 Oct 09
Rev janus, poole says...
5:35pm Fri 9 Oct 09
wrote:I can see why this country is in such a state with people like you thinking this PC culture is ok! Everytime there is a article on this website there is one name that pops up time and time again with advice, and it's yours! Lets get real, her son was helping her carry her bags to her car, it's because of people like you that the scouts don't have bob a job anymore!! How can a young scout, a pillar of society wait outside a supermarket to help a women to her car with her bags without people like you thinking he would rumage through them, run off with her wine and get bladdered somewhere. You must be very limited in common sense or a miserable old man, either way get a life. Lets leave decisions like this to the childs parents, if she seems fit to allow her child to carry her shopping bags then so be it and people like you should but out, are you any relation to Cherie Blair!
ry8000, as you are now becoming pedantic, like you in your way of thinking, I have only stated what the supermarkets policies are. If I worked in a supermarket, which I have, and it protected me, then so be it, I would implement what the cashier did also. . We will agree to disagree. Hopefully you will not get confronted when you hand over a bag of alcohol to and under age person outside a supermarket.
Rev janus, poole says...
5:39pm Fri 9 Oct 09
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[Chris], WWW says...
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GB1980, Southbourne says...
5:10pm Thu 15 Oct 09
ry8000 wrote:You're not "merely stating facts", you're expressing your opinion, but that's beside the point.
GB1980 wrote:I'm not displaying any attitude, I'm merely stating facts. If ASDA were concerned that the child was going to consume the alcohol then they were breaching laws by selling it in the first place; stipulating who carries it is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. I'm all for preventing alcohol related crime, but we need a common sense approach.
ry8000 wrote:That is the kind of attitude that caused the problem in the first place - if kids are going around committing crimes while drunk the question of where they got the alcohol is going to come up. I'm guessing the rule of "Refuse sale if the alcohol is likely to be given to a child" was created with the intention of stopping kids hanging around outside off licences and asking adults to go in and buy booze for them.wrote: This problem could have been abated if the customer had or was using a trolley to carry the packages back to the car, or pick up point. This type of story comes up a lot, and the same answer will always be given. The stores and supermarkets have their policies laid down by the law. If this means in anyway of stopping an under age person leaving the store carrying a bottle of wine then so be it. The store is covered by its policies.If you've already completed the purchase, you can do what you like with it. The store have absolutely no say in who carries the bags, or whether they let you leave. Just walk out... what exactly are they going to do about it?
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[Chris], WWW says...
9:35am Fri 9 Oct 09