News RSS Feed


the social media rolling gif

Get social with the Echo - click to find out how and where!


BOSCOMBE: IS IT SURFING OR SUFFERING?


ONLY weeks ago, interior designer Wayne Hemmingway visited Boscombe to launch the “most desirable beach huts in the UK”.

The Red or Dead label founder’s “surf pods” accompany the multi-million pound surf reef and Boscombe Overstrand development.

Read all our surf reef stories

- click the link at the bottom of this story

Due for completion in September, the reef will end up costing £3.03 million, while the entire Boscombe Spa Village project totals £11 million.

But just a few streets away it’s a very different story.

A 25-year-old man was left with life-threatening head injuries after a vicious assault in an alleyway off Roumelia Lane in the early hours of Saturday.

Just hours earlier, there were reports a man had been stabbed in nearby Heathcote Road. Witnesses described seeing the victim, who was thought to be in his 40s, being taken away by ambulance covered in blood.

He is believed to have suffered wounds to his throat and back during the attack, which took place at around 6.15pm outside a bank near the Christchurch Road junction.

Such violence is not unprecedented in Boscombe.

Last month Bournemouth East MP Tobias Ellwood was allegedly punched by youths on a Saturday afternoon after confronting them about playing football in Boscombe shopping precinct.

It’s clear that, despite the vast amount of money being poured into part of Boscombe, the area still has its problems. But will making the beach into a surfer’s paradise really rid the area of its demons?

Boscombe West councillor Lisa Northover certainly thinks so.

“There are still problems, but you can’t just change things overnight. Recently the police have been doing an awful lot and they’ve had quite a good strategy for dealing with things in the precinct and surrounding area.”

Cllr Northover said money was being spent on art installations to try and attract seafront visitors to the shops and that the beach was starting to attract a different clientele.

“It’s a long process. These people that are drink and drug users or violent are often living in bedsit houses that are privately owned and it’s very difficult to do anything about it.

“The way we can change that is to improve the area so that landlords want more affluent people living in their houses. It would be really silly to just say ‘there’s still crime happening, it’s all a waste of money’ because it’s not.”

Cllr Chris Wakefield, also representing Boscombe West, agreed.“Those sorts of incidents could have happened anywhere in the country but it’s highlighted because Boscombe has a bad reputation, but it’s getting better.

“People want to come and live here, people want to come and trade here and people even want to come on holiday here.”

Cllr Wakefield’s view was echoed by Steve Kent, chairman of Boscombe Traders’ Association.

“Things like this can happen anywhere,” he said.“It’s happened in Kinson, in Bournemouth town centre. This is a blip. The police force is dealing with high volumes of visitors coming into the area without having funding to cope with it.”

Some residents and traders also feel Boscombe has improved.

“You can just feel the energy is really different,” said Joanne Guest, 37, of Boscombe Overcliff Drive.

She added that many of the drunks and other unsavoury characters found in the precinct a year ago seemed to have disappeared.

Jon Burdge, co-owner of Café Boscanova, added: “There’s no question there has been massive improvement. There are more young couples here, it’s becoming more bohemian.

“I live in Lymington which is supposedly an upper middle class sleepy market town and I wouldn’t see any more trouble here than there.”

However not everyone shared that view.

Trudie Carter-Pavelin, 16, of Manor Road, said most of her friends were too scared to walk around the area at night.

She added: “I got this drunk man stumble up to me asking what were we doing there and we shouldn’t sit there and he wouldn’t go away. You can’t walk through here without getting comments. It’s not very nice.”

Mum-of-two Debbie Mooney lives in Highcliffe and regularly shops in Boscombe, but said she would not feel safe in the area at night.

“I have a 20-year-old daughter and she’d never come here at night.

“A few years ago we were in a cafe and this guy was shooting up in the toilets and came out ranting and raving. I think quite a few people go in the gardens and have a drink.”

Shirley McKenna runs community events from premises in Roumelia Lane.

While she said the area had improved, she said more investment was needed to make Boscombe safer.

“We’ve managed to move on a lot of the drink and drug stuff, but it still gravitates there, it’s got nowhere else to go.

“The new apartments look very nice, but as soon as they come to the precinct, what have we got to offer? There was a delay with the surf reef and a lot of people put their business plans together based on that and they’re not here now.

“Bournemouth is very proud of being Investors in People, but where’s their investment in the community? All I can do is put my prayers in Boscombe.”



Your Say YourEcho

ferret38, bournemouth says...
7:18am Tue 7 Jul 09

Boscombe seafront and garden project has really come up trumps , The only problem with boscombe center there are too many drug treatment projects going on this inturn brings all the dolelites , junkies , and beggers drunks and thiefs to the area. These people wont move away as its too easy to get benifits and any crime they do will result in a softheaded judge giving a light or micky mouse sentance that is laughable so on goes the circle in boscombe

Mediclogan5, Bournemouth says...
7:28am Tue 7 Jul 09

Some years ago Britain boasted itself a claslless society, so throwing vasts amount of cash into Boscombe to attract a more 'affluent' community and spend lavish amounts of capital into a sport complex for the minority goes little to support that ethos, and all the while this is happening what then for the less affluent residents of Boscombe? As for the drink and drugs how dare councilors label the less fortunate, affluent people do drink and drugs as well....just in more affluent surroundings and a higher brand. Maybe if the council would come up with more family orientated leisure attractions that is affordable for all then maybe just maybe Boscombe would not be divided by a them and us attitude perpretrated by the town council and its councilors.

Peggy Babcock, Poole says...
7:38am Tue 7 Jul 09

The bottom line is the re-development is a step in the right direction. Rome wasn't built in a day, so give it time.

cooperman, bournemouth says...
7:44am Tue 7 Jul 09

some very delusioned comments here - I work in Boscombe at night and its crawling with prostitutes,druggies and losers and its getting worse as the money gets tighter,what they used to get relatively easilly is now a tough call and theres some desperate nutters out there.
you cant just improve parts of the area and think the rest will follow when the place is riddled with rehab hostels,low standard accomodation and is a magnet for 'those in the know' looking for whatever their 'fix' might be.!
hype it as much as you like but its not how it is.
saturday night saw a lot of clubbers at the Opera House for 'Hardcore Heaven' and make no mistake you dont really go there unless you are off your bonce and for the girls - wearing clothes that would barely cover a blister !! and these people can argue big time when they 'go off on one', so to find someone has been stabbed or near on kicked to death is no big suprise to those who know what this area is really like.make no mistake Boscombe Spa Village is is really an inaccessable secure compound to those who dont live there -its someones twisted little dream that doesnt benefit this town in any way,shape or form . nothing about it is there for the general enjoyment of the people who live in this town - its expensive flats and surf pods and upmarket restaurants - in a recession .... smacks of exclusivity to me . and the surf reef ?? we havent heard much about that dont know how effective it will be or even wether it will be completed this year?? is anyone at the Echo asking questions about what the tax payers in this area got for their money because it is looking like a big fat ZERO to me !!

BourneRed, Bournemouth says...
7:51am Tue 7 Jul 09

Boscombe has improved, the re-developments with new property etc has just moved the low-lifes as people call them.

Those that cause a problem have just been pushed slightly north into Springbourne, so the centre obviously is still a hot point for them.

cooperman, bournemouth says...
7:53am Tue 7 Jul 09

as an after-thought,has anyone noticed that 'the Ragged Cat' (that is the newly refurbished Deacons pub) was closed at the weekend - now call me cynical ,but it would appear to me that this great new centre of family life is already suffering from a lack of customers just as was predicted - it was rammed on opening night because the drink was cheap from there on its been a ghost town but no mention of it in this paper.... if you close your eyes in Boscombe you wont see anything.

cooperman, bournemouth says...
8:06am Tue 7 Jul 09

BourneRed wrote:
Boscombe has improved, the re-developments with new property etc has just moved the low-lifes as people call them.

Those that cause a problem have just been pushed slightly north into Springbourne, so the centre obviously is still a hot point for them.
improved !!??? oh yes,ONLY TWO people either stabbed or had their heads kicked in this week !! what percentage improvement would that be then ???

GAHmusic, Bournemouth says...
8:07am Tue 7 Jul 09

I agree with Cooperman it is getting worse not better. There is a definate increase in class A use particually Heroin and according to people in the know it is because bigger gangs are moving in to sell and control the drugs in the area. So much for improving it

BourneRed, Bournemouth says...
8:14am Tue 7 Jul 09

cooperman wrote:
BourneRed wrote:
Boscombe has improved, the re-developments with new property etc has just moved the low-lifes as people call them.

Those that cause a problem have just been pushed slightly north into Springbourne, so the centre obviously is still a hot point for them.
improved !!??? oh yes,ONLY TWO people either stabbed or had their heads kicked in this week !! what percentage improvement would that be then ???
The general area has improved.

I previously said the CENTRE was still a hotpoint!!! (if I use capital letters and lots of exclamation marks does that make my opinion more worthy?!????!!!???!!
!)

Mediclogan5, Bournemouth says...
8:18am Tue 7 Jul 09

I agree for once with Coopermans comments however the real demise of Bournemouths family Tourism industry lies in the face of not only the 'problems' related to Boscombe but in Bournemouth in general, Stags, Hens, clubs, bars, cheap drinks and a new Casino to boot....and children fall into this category where exactly? Cinemas and Mcdonalds do not make a weeks entertainment. Bring in families and for once get the tourisism chiefs and town planners to use a bit of imagination and earn their high paid salaries to get families back into the town centres. And by that I dont mean segregation for those upmarket.

ferret38, bournemouth says...
8:26am Tue 7 Jul 09

When im working in boscombe i drive thou streets around the cresent area you will always come across the smack heads they always walk on the road !

GB916, christchurch says...
8:51am Tue 7 Jul 09

I too agree with cooperman,boscombe is worse than ever,the seafront development is for the rich,not the locals,what they need to do is close all the rehab centres and send all the druggies back north where most of them came from,demolish all the bedsits,and the council build affordable rented accomadation for the people that actually want to work,too many people live the life of riley on the dole,where as the rest of us hard working people struggle on our wages supporting these druggies,time we had a cull of all the drug users,they are wasters and shout be put down like sick animals as thats what they are.
I think the council has its rose tinted glasses on saying boscombe has improved.

ferret38, bournemouth says...
8:59am Tue 7 Jul 09

GB9 Well said totally agree :)

chomper, Bournemouth says...
9:05am Tue 7 Jul 09

Cllr Wakefield’s view was echoed by Steve Kent, chairman of Boscombe Traders’ Association.

“Things like this can happen anywhere,” he said.“It’s happened in Kinson, in Bournemouth town centre. This is a blip. The police force is dealing with high volumes of visitors coming into the area without having funding to cope with it.”

If they stop persecuting drivers and use their resources in getting back on the beat, they might actually make a difference.

Mediclogan5, Bournemouth says...
9:14am Tue 7 Jul 09

Actualy I think the local residents should take pictures of Boscombe and Bournemouth town centre between 10pm and 3am and make their own Bournemouth Brochure for the tourist board, I think it would make an interesting alternate picture of Bournemouths Tourism. Pavement Pizza anyone?...Oh and lets go through the Round Window!

cantique, bournemouth says...
9:15am Tue 7 Jul 09

Boscombe may be a magnet for drunks and druggies, but do you really think that they WANT to be like that? Their way of life is all they now know, and there is no real hope or help available for them to improve themselves. With the present financial crisis, any of us could find ourselves in a similar situation - "there but for the grace of God go I".

Aviewoneverything, Bournemouth says...
9:16am Tue 7 Jul 09

As was mentioned in one of the above posts, Bournemouth, and Boscombe in particular has a huge number of drug/alcohol rehab centres which draws people suffering with these addictions from all over the country. After all who wouldn't want to spend their rehab in a seaside resort rather than say, Liverpool! The problem is that when these people fall off the wagon,and many of them do, they stay here. They do not go back to where they came from. As such this town is simply a breeding ground for this type of problem. The best way to improve the area would be to move the rehab centres away. The dealers would follow their clients leaving Boscombe to once again become the lovely place it once was.
Sure some people will say that it's just pushing the problem onto someone else, but after 30 years of these problems I think Bournemouth has done its part for these people.
And yes...I am 100% a 'not on my doorstep' type of person and frankly not ashamed of it.

magicmonkey, Bournemouth says...
9:19am Tue 7 Jul 09

Have lived in Boscombe for 8 years (Chessel Ave) through choice - cliff-top and gardens at one end of the road, high street the other. Park & tennis courts opposite. Quiet leafy avenue, no noise, no trouble, never been threatened and I am very happy there - wouldn't want to live anywhere else in Bmth


Glashen, Christchurch says...
9:23am Tue 7 Jul 09

Boscombe still has problems certainly, and it is hard to believe things could change overnight, but the truth is the investment in Boscombe and that goes well beyond the 11 million invested in the sea front has started to change perceptions, we are told there is now a them and us atmosphere. If the Boscombe Spa development had not happened how much worse would things be now with Boscombe deteriorating still further. I do not believe this is now the case. But improvement will be a long road.

jpcm, Bournemouth says...
9:34am Tue 7 Jul 09

A start to making Boscombe more desirable would be to get rid of the ridiculous pedestrian precinct and re-route Christchurch Road though again. The precinct is just a hang-out for groups, drunks etc.

I know that the wonderful market would have to go, but I'm sure we will survive without it.

davep1, Dorset says...
9:34am Tue 7 Jul 09

Shouldn't this be called the Boscombe Overspend Project.

Actually I think you will find these violent incidents are not just in Boscombe, it's all over the town centre Kinson, Charminster, murders in Westborne, Landsdown, Holdenhurst rd. It is reported nearly daily. Students beaten up etc. Also if these people move out of Boscombe they will end up somewhere else in town. Maybe in the ill media advised Cllr Northover's back yard.

nigel24, Bournemouth says...
9:39am Tue 7 Jul 09

I was a Boscombe resident board member of the Neighbourhood Management Board.Boscombe has a great divide,south of Christchurch Road which is enjoying prosperity and the north of Christchurch Road which is being left to deteriorate.Has it got worse,yes,i think so.This problem was created in the 1970's when the hoteliers sold their guest houses and they became HMOs.In latter years many resident have given valuable time of their own to boost the area only to be held back by council officers.Even when i was on NM,Council Officer would be of the same attitude.Even within NM a strict code of conduct was put in place by Sue Bickler,now Head of Strategic Services and board members could not put over the Boscombe residents and traders view,therefore suffocating the future of the area.Unfortunatley,i had to move away because my home was structurally unsafe and it is only when you return then the problems hit you hard.Has,Boscombe a future,yes,it has but only when Councillors,take a hard look and start engaging with those who endure the problems 24/7 like i did in Palmerston Road.

Trifecta, Southbourne says...
9:41am Tue 7 Jul 09

I would like these councillors to go and stand in the small area bordered by McDonalds,William Hill, Dones and Coral Racing NOW.

They will see what Boscombe is, what a vile disgusting place it is, the dealers working from the seats outside the cafe next to the bookies, the junkies shooting up in the phone booth outside Mr.Greens. These people are there NOW blighting our community councillors and it is twenty to ten on a Tuesday morning.

Imagine what it is like after dark.

Bob49, Bournemouth says...
10:06am Tue 7 Jul 09

Building a gated complex for outsiders IS MOT investing. The scam was never more than a chance for a few greedy people in the know to fill their boots.

To the resident of Chessel Avenue I would suggest a walk a few streets westward to look at the disgusting state of the strees to the south of Sainsburys. They've not been cleaned for weeks and weeks. The mobile street cleaners seem to buzz around your area on a nightly basis.

All that has happened has been cherry picking of the prime bits of the area whilst the rest can go to hang.

If the Echo actualy did a bit more local journalism it might send someone over here to have a look.

If they had visited recently they would have seen the red park and ride buses running up and down Sea road almost empty. Mon evening the surfers were on the west side of the pier. The Neptune bar packed out whilst the reef bar with TWO customers.

The pile of sand is still as high as ever, whereas the sales of the various sheds and kennels are the opposite - flat on the ground.

What Boscomebe needs is the basics being carried out efficiently. What it doesn't need is witless fools trying to rename it or endlessly talking myopic drivel whilst the reality is all too clear.

cooperman, bournemouth says...
10:19am Tue 7 Jul 09

cantique wrote:
Boscombe may be a magnet for drunks and druggies, but do you really think that they WANT to be like that? Their way of life is all they now know, and there is no real hope or help available for them to improve themselves. With the present financial crisis, any of us could find ourselves in a similar situation - "there but for the grace of God go I".
everybody has a choice stop making excuses for these idle leeches,they have all the help in the world if they trully want it - I see healthy,capable people selling the big issue and think to myself ... why would any self respecting person resort to begging a living ? sympathy from here NONE. druggies are a scourge on modern life and they are what they want to be,I am delighted that they suffer at their own hands. maybe I am just a little old fashioned

dylan3201, poole says...
10:23am Tue 7 Jul 09

Got to be slightly upset if you were foolish enough to buy one of the many over priced flats down there !!!

JLC, Bournemouth says...
10:24am Tue 7 Jul 09

Why not turn the IMAX into a drug rehabilitation centre to help the people of Boscombe. It's sitting vacant at the moment, so surely this would be a better use for it?

Aviewoneverything, Bournemouth says...
10:31am Tue 7 Jul 09

Well said copperman. Yes these people may be on hard times but even the most mindless of people know that taking hard drugs like heroine leads to addiction and an appalling way of life. It's sad they've ended up the way they have but they all have it within themselves to change for the better, many just don;t want to.
Note to druggies and alcoholics...stop feeling sorry for yourselves and blaming everyone else for your problems. Shake yourself off, get some help and get your life back. Stop being a stereotype.

cooperman, bournemouth says...
10:34am Tue 7 Jul 09

JLC wrote:
Why not turn the IMAX into a drug rehabilitation centre to help the people of Boscombe. It's sitting vacant at the moment, so surely this would be a better use for it?
inspired thought - a centralised begging centre with a bombing marker on the roof ready for the airshow .a bombing run would solve two pressing problems !!!

cooperman, bournemouth says...
10:38am Tue 7 Jul 09

Aviewoneverything wrote:
Well said copperman. Yes these people may be on hard times but even the most mindless of people know that taking hard drugs like heroine leads to addiction and an appalling way of life. It's sad they've ended up the way they have but they all have it within themselves to change for the better, many just don;t want to.
Note to druggies and alcoholics...stop feeling sorry for yourselves and blaming everyone else for your problems. Shake yourself off, get some help and get your life back. Stop being a stereotype.
goodness me ... Ive got a fan club . but seriously lets withdraw the sympathy for anyone who isnt trying to break the habit - the rescources wasted on the drugs crowd is enormous and unjustified

Bob49, Bournemouth says...
10:48am Tue 7 Jul 09

Society produces a number of unproductive workers. WOW ! Perhaps cooperman could explain what we do with all those displaced from their jobs and homes if all the 'druggies' were to renounce the ways and take up employment.

Maybe deal with the anger of those making a healthy profit from housing them.

And afterwards take a visit to the cancer wards of Bournemouth and Poole hospital to sneer at those dying through 'their choice'. Perhaps trill out your message of them being there because they want to be there. They are laying idly in the bed because they don't want to help themself.

If only. If only life's answers were as simply as that, or you, cooperman

cooperman, bournemouth says...
10:58am Tue 7 Jul 09

Bob49 wrote:
Society produces a number of unproductive workers. WOW ! Perhaps cooperman could explain what we do with all those displaced from their jobs and homes if all the 'druggies' were to renounce the ways and take up employment.

Maybe deal with the anger of those making a healthy profit from housing them.

And afterwards take a visit to the cancer wards of Bournemouth and Poole hospital to sneer at those dying through 'their choice'. Perhaps trill out your message of them being there because they want to be there. They are laying idly in the bed because they don't want to help themself.

If only. If only life's answers were as simply as that, or you, cooperman
we coped very nicely with people working before drugs became a problem and I am sure we can do it again .
cancer isnt a choice - one cause.. smoking .. is. lets get it in perspective whilst all the wasters have the support of people like yourself they will exploit it .

Bob49, Bournemouth says...
11:28am Tue 7 Jul 09

I haven't a clue what on earth you are rambling on about cooperman. Perhaps you could get an adult to help, if so ask them to address these points.

If the druggies all got jobs what would happen to those who previously had those jobs ?

How much is being made by supposedly respectable people housing druggies ?

Are those in hospital because of their use of other drugs, alchol and tobaco are they because they don't want to help themselves ?

Ill thought out, simple knee jerk responses don't help the debate.

manana, southbourne says...
11:37am Tue 7 Jul 09

Bob49 wrote:
I haven't a clue what on earth you are rambling on about cooperman. Perhaps you could get an adult to help, if so ask them to address these points. If the druggies all got jobs what would happen to those who previously had those jobs ? How much is being made by supposedly respectable people housing druggies ? Are those in hospital because of their use of other drugs, alchol and tobaco are they because they don't want to help themselves ? Ill thought out, simple knee jerk responses don't help the debate.
Yeah and namby-pambying these people also does not help. Nothing will help them unless they learn to help themselves. I, for one, am sick of going to Boscombe and being hassled by drunk, high idiots. Its their choice to take these substances but we, the public, have to put up with the consequenses.

Cooperman, I couldnt agree with you more.

DemonDiva, Bournemouth says...
11:43am Tue 7 Jul 09

Another fan for Cooperman here. He talks so much sense, from the perspective of someone working in Boscombe at night when the "undesirables" really hit the street. THAT is what the council need to be seeing - not sitting in their offices, or Councillors sitting at home in comfort answering emails. I'm gobsmacked at the poster who mentions someone shooting up in a phone box outside Coral's in Boscombe at 9.40am - where are the police when this is going on? All alcoholics and drug addicts chose their paths in life. I have absolutely no sympathy for them. Their stories may be dire, but others chose stronger paths of bettering themselves and making something of their lives. Do-gooders making excuses for them are as delusional as the addicts whining about their lot.

Bob49, Bournemouth says...
11:46am Tue 7 Jul 09

So NO answers to my points, merely the usual response - make up something I never said and reply to that instead.

So manana could you please tell us all where I advocated "namby-pambying these people" ?

DemonDiva, Bournemouth says...
11:48am Tue 7 Jul 09

Bob49 wrote:
I haven't a clue what on earth you are rambling on about cooperman. Perhaps you could get an adult to help, if so ask them to address these points.

If the druggies all got jobs what would happen to those who previously had those jobs ?

How much is being made by supposedly respectable people housing druggies ?

Are those in hospital because of their use of other drugs, alchol and tobaco are they because they don't want to help themselves ?

Ill thought out, simple knee jerk responses don't help the debate.
Insulting another poster doesn't help a debate either, but I suppose that's by-the-by. Everyone else seems to understand, I'm not quite sure why you didn't.
So it's ok to be an addict (of whatever substance) because you're keeping someone else in a job? It's ok to be an addict because a landlord is making money from housing them? Ridiculous reasoning to say the very least.
Cooperman was talking from the perspective of actually seeing what goes on in Boscombe - are you?

cooperman, bournemouth says...
11:55am Tue 7 Jul 09

Bob49 wrote:
I haven't a clue what on earth you are rambling on about cooperman. Perhaps you could get an adult to help, if so ask them to address these points.

If the druggies all got jobs what would happen to those who previously had those jobs ?

How much is being made by supposedly respectable people housing druggies ?

Are those in hospital because of their use of other drugs, alchol and tobaco are they because they don't want to help themselves ?

Ill thought out, simple knee jerk responses don't help the debate.
i think everyone else seems to understand what I am saying - I am fed up ,like most others of supporting the drop-outs,I dont have any issues with people who are ill,but if its intentional and self inflicted then there for me is the line. druggies and wasters have been around a long time,its nothing to do with a ressession they didnt look for work when the country was prospering for 15 years but I guess the begging was easier.some of these perfectly capable people have never done a days work since they left school - I sincerely hope the government forces those who can to find work or stop funding them and their habits through the taxes that I pay because thats a government to vote for.I have worked all my life and if its good enough for me its good enough for everyone else unless they are all but dead

cooperman, bournemouth says...
12:05pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Bob49 wrote:
So NO answers to my points, merely the usual response - make up something I never said and reply to that instead.

So manana could you please tell us all where I advocated "namby-pambying these people" ?
i cant see your point . are you saying that its ok to be a deadbeat ? what points do you want answering ? are you someone with a drug/alcohol issue - i cannot for the life of me see any point in supporting these people who take kindness for weakness and they are near professionals at it. I work for my money why should it be wasted on these layabouts who have blighted Boscombe ... a Boscombe that was a once proud and affluent part of bournemouth and I for one want that back and them out - its that simple and i dont care how much pain that inflicts on these self harming sickos

Glashen, Christchurch says...
12:21pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Bob49 wrote:
Society produces a number of unproductive workers. WOW ! Perhaps cooperman could explain what we do with all those displaced from their jobs and homes if all the 'druggies' were to renounce the ways and take up employment.

Maybe deal with the anger of those making a healthy profit from housing them.

And afterwards take a visit to the cancer wards of Bournemouth and Poole hospital to sneer at those dying through 'their choice'. Perhaps trill out your message of them being there because they want to be there. They are laying idly in the bed because they don't want to help themself.

If only. If only life's answers were as simply as that, or you, cooperman
You accuse others of talking drivel, but this post is really incomprehensible, to suggest drug users are making a contribution to society by giving employment to those who treat them and profit to those who house them is obvious nonsense. Have you never heard of wealth creation.

Whilst simply moving the problem elsewhere doesn't solve it, this article was whether Boscombe could improve with the number of drug users etc. living there, the point is that they will be forced to move if the area is improved. The issue of them changing their way of life is substantially up to them and a very different issue.

Fightingback, christchurch says...
12:26pm Tue 7 Jul 09

It's a relatively small area where the trouble is so there should be a permenant police presence.

Except there isn't. Obviously the police are either too scared at having to do some real frontline policing or too busy stopping cyclists riding too fast along the prom!

DemonDiva, Bournemouth says...
12:41pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Read all our surf reef storiesRisk assessements will stop the police doing real police work. Health and safety issues will ensure the carry on dealing with car tax dodgers.

DemonDiva, Bournemouth says...
12:43pm Tue 7 Jul 09

my post at 12.41 today should have quoted Fightingback of Christchurch, and followed on from what was said in that post. Apologies for something going awry.

rook, wimborne says...
12:46pm Tue 7 Jul 09

I think you're on a loser here, Bob49. The main reason being you are talking "carp". Maybe more people should become Government (i.e. worker)-sponsored druggies to solve the employment problem?

I'm disgusted some people only take a few drugs and retain a job - if they took more then that would free up another employment opportunity.

As for those rich people who've bought seafront flats they're going to have a shock when they find they're trapped between drugsville to the North and the Tour de France practice track next to the beach.

Having said that, I do quite like Boscombe!

david barbara, Turlin Moor says...
12:49pm Tue 7 Jul 09

It will take a hundred years to change the town centre, which is a shame cause I quite like going into Boscombe, even if it is only to laugh at all the druggies and nutters that you spot there.

Reality cheque, Southbourne says...
12:51pm Tue 7 Jul 09

It's time to shut the drug treatment centres and have a permanent police presence in Boscombe. Planning applications need to be vetted carefully to prevent more bedsite drug havens. NIMBY is an ok policy for people who work hard and pay tax. Boscombe Spa development is a step in the right direction.

djd, bournemouth says...
12:56pm Tue 7 Jul 09

I am Bournemouth born and bred and can remember when Boscombe was a nice place to live, shop and visit.

Bournemouth is the victim of it's own success, areas like Boscombe have some of the best drug and alcohol rehabilitation centres in the country and as a conequence attracts the worst of the drug and alcohol addicts from all over the country.

We would be naive to think that all these people are 'cured' of their habits and it is natural that their suppliers follow them to the area.

I personally don't think Boscombe town centre has improved, there is still the threat of violence, more so in the later hours of the day.

You only have to read The Echo to list incidents where people are assaulted, some seriously.

I am not saying that doesn't happen elsewhere in the town, just that it happens more frequently in Boscombe.

Boscombe has a long way to go before it becomes a place to live and visit.

open mind, springbourne says...
1:00pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Anyone notice the good bit of news? Model Joanne Guest now lives in Boscombe!

carmen1, bournemouth says...
1:15pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Read all our surf reef storiesI have just moved to Boscombe and I love it. Beautiful streets of Victorian houses, still at bargain prices for families, ideal for doing up. Pavement cafes, great bargain and antiques shopping on one level and a lovely traditional market. The opera house is a fabulous venue. Amazing scenery and loads of investments that enhance the coastline. If more people were positive about the area we would all benefit. Crime happens everywhere and I say well done to Councillers Northover and Wakefield as well as all the energetic traders and cafe owners in Boscombe for their steadfast work and encouragement to improve the area.

57angels, boscombe says...
1:26pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Read all our surf reef storiesUntil you remove a large proportion of the drug centres and cheap bedsits in the area you have no chance.Fact. More police on the beat. Fact

arendea, southbourne says...
1:29pm Tue 7 Jul 09

I think that the deveoplent and regenreation of Boscombe is going to take more than money! People in positions of poverty and problems need love and caring as well as money thrown at them. There are many issues faced with regeneration... there is a concentration of treatment centres which will naturally draw people to this area anyway, the area has a reputation which will take years and years to grow out of and property prices are so low that you will only attract people of a certain level of income to the area - not all of which may be 'unsavories' but this still keeps the average level of income in the area low enough for 'upper class' investors to continue to not invest in the less affluent areas of Boscombe. The seafront will always be expensive to live in, thats a fact up and down the country... and its not the areounf the seafront or pier areas that the real problems exist.

also...lol - more valid points made by Bob49 clouded by insulting comments, replies and a too-quick-to-defend-
and-snip-back attitude towards other commenters.

Bob49 - get some people skills hunny - you are entitled to your opinion but MUST remember that because YOU are entitled, SO are other people !

Aviewoneverything, Bournemouth says...
1:37pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Reading all the above posts it seems the general consensus is that the drug rehab centres are closed and moved on and social landlords like the well known Bedsit King of Springbourne should sell up and give the town back to decent folk. Excellent, where do I sign.

BoscombeLover, Boscombe says...
1:44pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Read all our surf reef storiesBoscombe Police are arranging a meeting for residents and businesses in Roumelia Lane, Boscombe to express their concerns regarding their safety and the level of crime in the area. The meeting will take place at Rosie's Cafe, Roumelia Lane at 7pm, Wednesday 15th July. Bournemouth councellors and local Police will be present. Residents and traders are encouraged to attend so issues can be raised as a group.

Mediclogan5, Bournemouth says...
1:52pm Tue 7 Jul 09

arendea wrote:
I think that the deveoplent and regenreation of Boscombe is going to take more than money! People in positions of poverty and problems need love and caring as well as money thrown at them. There are many issues faced with regeneration... there is a concentration of treatment centres which will naturally draw people to this area anyway, the area has a reputation which will take years and years to grow out of and property prices are so low that you will only attract people of a certain level of income to the area - not all of which may be 'unsavories' but this still keeps the average level of income in the area low enough for 'upper class' investors to continue to not invest in the less affluent areas of Boscombe. The seafront will always be expensive to live in, thats a fact up and down the country... and its not the areounf the seafront or pier areas that the real problems exist.

also...lol - more valid points made by Bob49 clouded by insulting comments, replies and a too-quick-to-defend-

and-snip-back attitude towards other commenters.

Bob49 - get some people skills hunny - you are entitled to your opinion but MUST remember that because YOU are entitled, SO are other people !
Well said arenda we as a society as well as a community need to be aware of the plight of substance abuse whether alcohol or drug related, yes it is a choice but why would anyone choose that way? Maybe if the council realy sat down and questioned this then perhaps exclusion from those without wouldnt add to the numbers in despair. And if the idea of buying up pieces of Boscombe purely for the affluent then this town council has reverted back to the days of Thatcherism...Let them eat cake!

Bob49, Bournemouth says...
2:04pm Tue 7 Jul 09

"to suggest drug users are making a contribution to society by giving employment to those who treat them cobvious nonsense."

Blimey, cooperman has a rival in the dimwitted stakes. Please point out where I stated here, or anywhere else, that "drug users are making a contribution to society by giving employment to those who treat them"

As to your absurd twaddle which tries to deny " profit to those who house them " is it any wonder that you have to make up stuff to reply to.

Housing is actively provided to DHS clients as it is a very high return for a very low investment. It is that lack of investment that has contributed to Boscombe's downfall.

I was born in the Royal Vicoria and have lived here (and Southbourne) all my life. I remember when a number of owners tried to get together and stop the influx of DHSS tenants in the early 80's. I also remember who opposed us and have watched as these people bought up properties on the cheap.

The undesirables, as talked about on here, are not the cause of Boscombe's woes they are an effect of it. While they are here to blight places there's stoll rich pickings to be made. Don't hold your breathe for much change for a while - and don't hold you breathe in anticipation of the usual suspects to actually reply to what I have written either.

david barbara, Turlin Moor says...
2:05pm Tue 7 Jul 09

open mind wrote:
Anyone notice the good bit of news? Model Joanne Guest now lives in Boscombe!
Ohhhh, would you sir, would you?????

simplythebest, Bournemouth says...
2:19pm Tue 7 Jul 09

There's no argument the Boscombe Spa Development is a good thing and it's certainly an improvement on how the pier area and gardens were a few years back.

As for Boscombe high street and surrounding areas, a lot of work needs to be done. The quickest and arguably most effective solution would be regular police patrols (plain clothes and in uniform) and for the general public and the druggies to see a constant police presence. This would act as a deterrent to the dealing, begging and alcoholism in full view of the public.

The only issue with forcing these people away from the high street is that they are then attracted to the less well-lit and quieter residential roads. How to solve this could be tricky. My view, which would be controversial (and expensive) would be to set up a 24hr monitored CCTV system in all the streets within 1/4 of the high street, improve the lighting, and again ensure regular police patrols. I appreciate that there is a privacy issue for the residents in the area, but what would you prefer? A dealer outside you house or a camera???

Bournemouthstorm, Bournemouth (Town Centre) says...
2:32pm Tue 7 Jul 09

I used to go out clubbing in Boscombe to a night called Circus on bank holiday weekends at the Opera House. Last year a gang of males started shouting abuse and throwing bricks and bottle at us after we came out of the opera House as we walked past the McDonalds. This was not the first time i have had trouble in Boscombe. I literally had to run for my life. There was no one around to help. No police near by. The door staff don't give two hoots whats happening as long as its not outside the club. In May a guy was set upon but a group of 10 males after leaving the same club night and was put in intensive care. I think the money being spent on Boscombe can only be good, but I for one, will not go to Boscombe of a night any more because I do not feel safe.

chuckm, Bournemouth says...
2:56pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Read all our surf reef storiesTHERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH BOSCOMBE AS A PLACE, ONLY WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE IT ATTRACTS! AND THAT IS SOMETHING WHICH MONEY CANNOT SOLVE

Anarmslength, says...
3:09pm Tue 7 Jul 09

I moved to Boscombe 9 years ago and compared to where I moved from in London it seemed like paradise.
However since then I have seen the area go gradually downhill, even in that short time. I don't know what the people who are saying it is improving are looking at.
The surf reef and swanky flats will do nothing to improve the area. The surf reef is for visitors who will descend for the weekend and drop litter all over the beach while talking loudly about their house prices before they disappear Sunday afternoon.
The flats have been bought predominantly by people from outside the area who will use them for holidays or rent them out, or just use them for some tax avoidance scheme. Either way they won't have any beneficial impact on Boscombe.

Bob49, Bournemouth says...
3:26pm Tue 7 Jul 09

" would be regular police patrols (plain clothes and in uniform)"

I think you'd be surprised how many of the former there are.

Bobbies on the beat is a no no. That's why they don't do it. The response time has been much quicker recently. I don't want some 19th century policing where a line pof coppers run up the High Street with their batons raised - neither do I want a serious incident where I live to be dependant on those same coppers running a mile or so.

Dealing is going to happen whatever preventions you take, they'll just find somewhere else away from the spotlight.

Let's start by receiving the same level of cleaning and maintanance from the council. Let's stop the ridiculous levels of rent being paid. A multi occupancy house of a ten bedsits will generate somehwere in the order of £350,000 rent annualy. Rent that is creamed off by sharks who have no intention of maintaining their property or any involvement in the upkeep of the local area.

Maybe some of you less high on this morning's Daily Mail might consider where that £50,000 goes to and how much decent housing it could be used towards.

Sadly too many are making too much to want that gravy ytrain brought to a halt ....... unless of course you are daft enough to believe the guff about the landlords all being in it "not for profit".

Chris..., says...
3:47pm Tue 7 Jul 09

I have followed this story from its outset, and to see todays comments, I have to agree with Cooperman. His points of view sum it all up on both accounts of the Surf Reef and Complex, and Boscombe itself.

Some of you may have seen a programme aired on TV a couple of days ago about the Surfing in Cornwall. I doubt if anyone is aware, but what is being built in the sea at Boscombe (the over inflated duvet cover) one was going to be built in Newquay to extend the Surfing area where the waves are not so good. Their local council turned it down, which got some people up in arms knowing that Boscombe was now having one built, and the worry was that the surfers from the east of the country would head to Boscombe, drastically reducing the business in the Cornish areas.

A lot of the surfers expressed that having seen what was and would be on offer at Boscombe, there is no way the would look at it twice. It is built around the rich, which many of the surfers are not. There is no where for them to park up their camper vans, and VW Campers with their equipment. It is very unlikely that they would be able to remain on the beaches after dark as they do in Cornwall.

Added to this, most were appalled at the state of the Boscombe area, and what it had or did not have to offer. The matter of drugs, drink, violence etc was also brought up.

Many of us were borne in the RVH in Boscombe, has some have mentioned, and have lived in and around the area all their lives. What we have noticed is that the majority of the druggies, drunks, and benefit fiddlers are from up north, who have descended on the south because they have been sussed out from whence they came. One only has to listen to the accents, to realise that this problem was not borne in Boscombe but was allowed to festoon in Boscombe.

Back to the Boscombe Spa. Yes the larger of the boxes may have been sold at £90000, but a number of the smaller ones are still unsold at £60000. On both accounts no one is permitted to use them over night, which mean other accommodation has to be found. It is ludicrous to have these facilities with electrics, hot and cold water, but not allowed to stay. Whats the point.

This is £12m down the drain. Another Bournemouth Council feaux par, another waste of tax payers money.

Boscombe will not be a place for visitors or anyone else, because like Bournemouth, there is nothing there for anyone.

I visited Weymouth the other weekend, it was fantastic. Lots going on, plenty for everyone to do. Good parking, close to shops, one or two pubs and clubs, but most important, lots for the visitors to do.

2012 is getting close, and both Bournemouth and Boscombe will be hopefully visited by many who attend the Olympics. My recommendation, stay down in Weymouth.


Emulated, Bournemouth says...
4:33pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Quote."would be regular police patrols (plain clothes and in uniform)"
Get real, if the police catch anyone they do nothing about it. The language and behaviour of some people would have given them a 7 day prison term just 30 years ago. Visit A&E and see the behaviour of some, even those who are sober are so damm demanding. its not just Boscombe its the whole part of society with no respect which is turning this country into a dump. But we are governed by the mostly corrupt which has filtered down to local councils with their behind closed doors decisions.

Deke60, Bournemouth says...
4:58pm Tue 7 Jul 09


"I visited Weymouth the other weekend, it was fantastic. Lots going on, plenty for everyone to do. Good parking, close to shops, one or two pubs and clubs, but most important, lots for the visitors to do."

And I visited Weymouth the other day and saw more drunken violence and drug dealing than in any other town I have visited. Boscombe is a rising area, but people will always bring their problems with them.


Chris..., says...
5:12pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Deke60 wrote:

"I visited Weymouth the other weekend, it was fantastic. Lots going on, plenty for everyone to do. Good parking, close to shops, one or two pubs and clubs, but most important, lots for the visitors to do."

And I visited Weymouth the other day and saw more drunken violence and drug dealing than in any other town I have visited. Boscombe is a rising area, but people will always bring their problems with them.

I doubt it compared to Boscombe, and in particular not during the day, unlike Boscombe.

We visit regularly, and have never come across this. I use to live, and was based in Weymouth and Portland, and never saw anywhere near the trouble one sees up this end of the county.

You must of caught a bad day.


david barbara, Turlin Moor says...
5:38pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Read all our surf reef storiesI agree with Deke, feel more unsafe in Weymouth than Boscombe but I guess it depends where you are more familiar with

thesyrup1, Bournemouth says...
5:45pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Like Chris, I have followed this story from the beginning. I too have to say, that overall, I agree with cooperman. Thats not to say others didn't have good points of view. Throwing money at Boscombe is not going to cure the problem, anymore than throwing millions into the NHS made it a better service. The sea front project will make no difference to the day to day lives of people living in Boscombe, assuming it ever gets finished that is. I truely believe that until this country has a zero tollerence to drugs and crime, nothing will ever get sorted out.I hear about how the druggies etc are victims too, but they choose to be. Why should our town, and council tax be used to support the waste and flotsam from the cites of this country? Why, if they have to be sent here. are they not sent back when they fall off waggon?. They should have expulsion orders made against them, let the city they came from deal with the problem. There are lots of things wrong with boscombe (and other places I agree) but until the law and order is sorted out, nothing else will work. Massive crack down is need, and I dont care about criminals human rights. Make boscombe a zero tollerence zone, and see how fast the druggies move out. That will mean the backing of the courts too. If they dont have enough prison spaces, then put them in tents on salisbury plain, surrounded with wire. It will never happen I know, but its a nice thought.

Gastines, St.Malo says...
5:54pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Plenty of comments from people living in the area and aware of the problems and even some ideas about a solution to some of them but perhaps the people making the decisions that reflect on the area don't actually have yo put up with the results of those decisions. I lived with my 2 brothers in St.Clements Road for 14 years and we attended local schools,used Kings Park and Boscombe beach at every opportunity and with safety never an issue.The Council has let the area decline for the last 30 years and it will take a complete rethink to restore the area to a safe and friendly place. The Re-hab Centres could have been put on St Leonards Hospital so that it's occupants could have been isolated from the parasites who supply them. Perhaps the local Chief Constable plus Councillors would like to spend a few evenings in the area and see things first hand?

dopey, says...
7:40pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Looks like it's about time to bring our troops back to sort this mess out...on second thoughts, they may be safer where they are ??

Markmag, Boscombe says...
7:48pm Tue 7 Jul 09

open mind wrote:
Anyone notice the good bit of news? Model Joanne Guest now lives in Boscombe!
Get well soon Jo!

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
11:14pm Tue 7 Jul 09

"There was a delay with the surf reef and a lot of people
put their business plans together based on that and
they’re not here now"

This is the unfortunate part of the revival but hope is eternal with the reef about to make waves soon.

There has been one question that a few of us are asking and that is -Does anyone else get the feeling looking at the construction pictures of the reef that it is being built with what was meant to be the top layer is now the bottom layer and what was was meant to be the bottom layer is now actually being built as the top layer -or is it just us?

when you look at the origional animation it shows all the large larying size bags on the lower layer -but the pictures seen otherwise. Also a construction sequence explaination on a nother site is saying that the bags being placed now are varying in size from small to very large.

is it just me that is confused by this?


I dont even want to ask this -but is it gone "belly up"?

Anyone with some construction eyes there that can answer this?

can anyone help with this?

realvegas1, boscombe says...
11:39am Wed 8 Jul 09

i totally agree with cooperman when he said it comes as no big surprise to find out that someone has been stabbed. i think that the councillors and whoever it is that the make the decision on investment are completely looking in the wrong direction. thier avoiding dealing the core problems directly, having a few sandbags on the bottom of the seabed down the beach and opening a few snobby bars and restaurants isnt helping all the underpriveleged kids round the area and isnt helping the people with real problems.the three million pound that they`ve spent on facilities for surfers would have gone a ehole lot further five minutes up the road for the real people of boscombe who have an every day struggle just getting on, so if you ask me get the place clean yes, but dont try and turn it into something its not and will probably never ever be.

Wimbourneflyer, Wimbourne says...
8:01pm Thu 9 Jul 09

There are lots of police patrols in Boscombe and some very strong safer neighbourhood teams who have led on positive action such as getting Deacons closed under crack-house legislation.

When you get nasty people such as the ones who attacked the young lad they don't tend to do it in front of a police officer do they?

So unfortunately, these sad incidents will happen - in Boscombe and, as the Ralph Millward murder proves, in more supposedly upmarket areas such as Westbourne.

The only way to stop these sorts of incidents happening is to have a police officer permanently posted on every street and alleyway in the town 7 days a week, 24hrs a day.

Not going to happen is it?

Comments are closed on this article.

Picture: Gary Ellson of Bournemouth Helicopters. Picture: Gary Ellson of Bournemouth Helicopters.

Local Advertisers

Local Information

Enter your postcode, town or place name

House prices »   Schools »   Crime »   Hospitals »