Cyclist arrested in seafront drama

A CYCLIST was handcuffed and led away by police after an alleged collision on Bournemouth promenade involving the town’s seafront boss – the latest drama in the controversy surrounding cycling on the prom.

Shocked beach-goers told the Daily Echo how they saw officers setting up a makeshift trap to apprehend a male cyclist yesterday afternoon.

It followed reports that seafront manager Chris Saunders had been involved in an alleged incident with a cyclist after asking him to slow down.

A spokesman at the seafront office said Mr Saunders had later attended a meeting and was not believed to be seriously injured.

Bob Collinson, 67, on holiday from West Yorkshire, was sitting outside his rented beach hut near Harry Ramsden’s restaurant when the police swooped.

“There was one police van, three cars and two woman officers on bikes,” he said. “There was a commotion and I looked through my binoculars to see them stop this guy and put him into a van.

“I heard there had been an incident between here and Boscombe.

“A police car reversed across the path to create a barrier across the promenade so he had no choice but to stop.”

A Christchurch woman, who did not want to be named, also witnessed a man being detained. She said: “He came cycling up and got off his bike. They handcuffed him and put him in the van.”

She added that she backed the current crackdown on cyclists who flout the 10mph speed limit. “We’ve two young children, and getting across the prom to the beach can be a real problem.

“The majority of cyclists are law-abiding but some definitely go too fast.”

A Bournemouth council spokesperson said: “We can confirm an incident took place on the seafront involving a member of staff and a cyclist.

“As the matter is now being investigated by Dorset Police it is not appropriate to comment further.”

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8:35am Fri 26 Jun 09

cooperman says...

AND THEN ...... one of your cycling buddies puts the cat firmly amongst the pidgeons .... you only have your own to blame if this leads to a total ban.and it really should happen now
AND THEN ...... one of your cycling buddies puts the cat firmly amongst the pidgeons .... you only have your own to blame if this leads to a total ban.and it really should happen now cooperman
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8:49am Fri 26 Jun 09

ry8000 says...

"cycling buddies" and "only have your own to blame"? What stupid and unhelpful comments. What's with the incitement of this us and them attitude?

I wish the local busy bodies, council, and police would put as much effort and conviction into real issues... such as the local problem with drink, drugs, violence, and vandalism.

This whole on-going saga is pathetic.
"cycling buddies" and "only have your own to blame"? What stupid and unhelpful comments. What's with the incitement of this us and them attitude? I wish the local busy bodies, council, and police would put as much effort and conviction into real issues... such as the local problem with drink, drugs, violence, and vandalism. This whole on-going saga is pathetic. ry8000
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8:54am Fri 26 Jun 09

nobull says...

Glad to see the cops have enough bodies to keep this major problem under control.
WE can all sleep safe tonight xx
Glad to see the cops have enough bodies to keep this major problem under control. WE can all sleep safe tonight xx nobull
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9:16am Fri 26 Jun 09

ry8000 says...

nobull wrote:
Glad to see the cops have enough bodies to keep this major problem under control. WE can all sleep safe tonight xx
Completely agree... I have a constant problem with vandals and drunks passing my home (just outside of the town centre). Apparently the police don't have enough resources to do anything about it, despite 2 attempted breakins in as many months. Yet suddenly, all of these police arrive to speak to ONE cyclist!! So where did those resources come from?
[quote][p][bold]nobull[/bold] wrote: Glad to see the cops have enough bodies to keep this major problem under control. WE can all sleep safe tonight xx[/p][/quote]Completely agree... I have a constant problem with vandals and drunks passing my home (just outside of the town centre). Apparently the police don't have enough resources to do anything about it, despite 2 attempted breakins in as many months. Yet suddenly, all of these police arrive to speak to ONE cyclist!! So where did those resources come from? ry8000
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9:31am Fri 26 Jun 09

Glashen says...

cooperman wrote:
AND THEN ...... one of your cycling buddies puts the cat firmly amongst the pidgeons .... you only have your own to blame if this leads to a total ban.and it really should happen now
You're right ban cycling because of one alleged idiot, while your at it ban Drinking, Driving, Walking and everything else which could possibly lead to bad behaviour.

Actually without commenting on the level of police reaction it does show the lie that nothing can ever be done.
[quote][p][bold]cooperman[/bold] wrote: AND THEN ...... one of your cycling buddies puts the cat firmly amongst the pidgeons .... you only have your own to blame if this leads to a total ban.and it really should happen now[/p][/quote]You're right ban cycling because of one alleged idiot, while your at it ban Drinking, Driving, Walking and everything else which could possibly lead to bad behaviour. Actually without commenting on the level of police reaction it does show the lie that nothing can ever be done. Glashen
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9:46am Fri 26 Jun 09

bmouthrob says...

Yeah, it would be interesting to see a police response to this story!!
Yeah, it would be interesting to see a police response to this story!! bmouthrob
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9:49am Fri 26 Jun 09

Adrian XX says...

Was this really a collision? Perhaps Mr Saunders tried to obstruct the cyclist and the cyclist simply tried to push his way past. It doesn't seem likely that a cyclist would collide with an adult after the adult has told him to slow down.

Was Mr Saunders carrying a speed gun? I wonder if there is ANY evidence that this cyclist has committed a crime. For what offence was he arrested?
Was this really a collision? Perhaps Mr Saunders tried to obstruct the cyclist and the cyclist simply tried to push his way past. It doesn't seem likely that a cyclist would collide with an adult after the adult has told him to slow down. Was Mr Saunders carrying a speed gun? I wonder if there is ANY evidence that this cyclist has committed a crime. For what offence was he arrested? Adrian XX
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9:53am Fri 26 Jun 09

rebelred says...

From 1st July to 30th August bikes will be banned during the daytime. Not long enough restrictions. Should be from 1st May to 31st September.
From 1st July to 30th August bikes will be banned during the daytime. Not long enough restrictions. Should be from 1st May to 31st September. rebelred
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9:56am Fri 26 Jun 09

The DD says...

Would be nice for the Echo to get the story correct
Would be nice for the Echo to get the story correct The DD
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10:02am Fri 26 Jun 09

cantique says...

If cycling on the prom is banned because of excessive speed, why aren't cars banned from roads for the same reason?
If cycling on the prom is banned because of excessive speed, why aren't cars banned from roads for the same reason? cantique
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10:04am Fri 26 Jun 09

Glashen says...

rebelred wrote:
From 1st July to 30th August bikes will be banned during the daytime. Not long enough restrictions. Should be from 1st May to 31st September.
Is the 31st of September the same as the twelfth of never?
[quote][p][bold]rebelred[/bold] wrote: From 1st July to 30th August bikes will be banned during the daytime. Not long enough restrictions. Should be from 1st May to 31st September.[/p][/quote]Is the 31st of September the same as the twelfth of never? Glashen
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10:05am Fri 26 Jun 09

Peggy Babcock says...

A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so. Peggy Babcock
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10:08am Fri 26 Jun 09

GB916 says...

"A CYCLIST was handcuffed and led away by police after an alleged collision on Bournemouth promenade involving the town’s seafront boss"

Another sensational story to blight the cyclist by the echo,i agree if the cyclist did purposely collide with this person then they desrve to be charged,but funny how they did not arrest the cyclist who collided with that girl at the chines,just goes to show you,simply because it was a senior Bournemouth council worker,the police swoop in numbers,but for the rest of jo public its"oh sorry we dont have the resources to respond,we're too busy looking after important people,and as your public forget it."

Im fed up with the echo always saying cyclists are bad mannered moron's,so much for an unbiased paper,its about time the echo is bought to book about it's one sided biased reporting.

NOT ALL CYCLISTS ARE MORONS AND BREAK ALL THE LAWS,IM SHOUTING SO WE CYCLISTS CANBE HEARD AND NOT BRANDED UNCARING IDIOTS LIKE THE ECHO SEEMS TO THINK WE ALL ARE.

I guess this comment wilbe removed as the echo dont like these type of comments
"A CYCLIST was handcuffed and led away by police after an alleged collision on Bournemouth promenade involving the town’s seafront boss" Another sensational story to blight the cyclist by the echo,i agree if the cyclist did purposely collide with this person then they desrve to be charged,but funny how they did not arrest the cyclist who collided with that girl at the chines,just goes to show you,simply because it was a senior Bournemouth council worker,the police swoop in numbers,but for the rest of jo public its"oh sorry we dont have the resources to respond,we're too busy looking after important people,and as your public forget it." Im fed up with the echo always saying cyclists are bad mannered moron's,so much for an unbiased paper,its about time the echo is bought to book about it's one sided biased reporting. NOT ALL CYCLISTS ARE MORONS AND BREAK ALL THE LAWS,IM SHOUTING SO WE CYCLISTS CANBE HEARD AND NOT BRANDED UNCARING IDIOTS LIKE THE ECHO SEEMS TO THINK WE ALL ARE. I guess this comment wilbe removed as the echo dont like these type of comments GB916
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10:14am Fri 26 Jun 09

West Howe Sean says...

The police are a sad joke.


Why do they not put this effort into combating violence and drug dealing.
The police are a sad joke. Why do they not put this effort into combating violence and drug dealing. West Howe Sean
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10:18am Fri 26 Jun 09

Chris... says...

Part of Rule 62 of the Highway Code.

(For Cyclists)

Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary.


I have said before, until the Bournemouth Council and the Seafront Office get together and redesign the prom road, this will continue. No motor vehicular traffic is used on the prom except for Council and Mainteneance vehicles, and the odd delivery. Therefore a cyclist lane should be added to the existing prom road by using part of. Using half the width will leave enough road for said motor vehicles and emergency vehicles. Signs up ensuring pedestrians remain on pavement, cyclists in lanes. Mini zebra or pelican crossings can be put in place for access to and from the beach to the beach huts.

Part of Rule 62 of the Highway Code. (For Cyclists) Take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary. I have said before, until the Bournemouth Council and the Seafront Office get together and redesign the prom road, this will continue. No motor vehicular traffic is used on the prom except for Council and Mainteneance vehicles, and the odd delivery. Therefore a cyclist lane should be added to the existing prom road by using part of. Using half the width will leave enough road for said motor vehicles and emergency vehicles. Signs up ensuring pedestrians remain on pavement, cyclists in lanes. Mini zebra or pelican crossings can be put in place for access to and from the beach to the beach huts. Chris...
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10:20am Fri 26 Jun 09

Glashen says...

Peggy Babcock wrote:
A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
No!
he is isn't under any circumstances right to ride into him, that would be an assault. It is this sort of attitude that will get cycling banned.

I believe if cyclists can be responsible it would be reasonable for them to use the pavements but only if they don't inconvenience, let alone endanger pedestrians, it is possible but sadly reasonable and responsible are words not much in evidence in life nowadays.
[quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.[/p][/quote]No! he is isn't under any circumstances right to ride into him, that would be an assault. It is this sort of attitude that will get cycling banned. I believe if cyclists can be responsible it would be reasonable for them to use the pavements but only if they don't inconvenience, let alone endanger pedestrians, it is possible but sadly reasonable and responsible are words not much in evidence in life nowadays. Glashen
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10:21am Fri 26 Jun 09

Panonica says...

The decision, taken some years ago now, to allow cyclists to use the promenade is wrong. Young children in particular are put at unacceptable risk, since they can run out unpredictably. The likely course of future events is as follows:

A cyclist will hit a pedestrian, most likely a child under the age of seven, resulting in permanent disability or possibly death. A civil action for negligence will be initiated against the council, citing a failure to properly access risk to pedestrian users, particularly young children. The council will be forced to settle the case. The promenade will return to being a pedestrian-only thoroughfare.
The decision, taken some years ago now, to allow cyclists to use the promenade is wrong. Young children in particular are put at unacceptable risk, since they can run out unpredictably. The likely course of future events is as follows: A cyclist will hit a pedestrian, most likely a child under the age of seven, resulting in permanent disability or possibly death. A civil action for negligence will be initiated against the council, citing a failure to properly access risk to pedestrian users, particularly young children. The council will be forced to settle the case. The promenade will return to being a pedestrian-only thoroughfare. Panonica
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10:29am Fri 26 Jun 09

Gooby says...

Just Pathetic. I am so glad our police have plenty of time to stop a cyclist on the prom.

For a start there is no point in a 10mph speed limit, there is no legislation that demands that a cycle has to have any method for measuring speed. How would a cyclist know if he was doing 10mph?

It is is yet another un enforceable "rule" by a a bunch of NIMBY pensioners on the council.

Instead of mindless bans for cyclists, for whom there zero facilities in bournemouth, perhaps the council would stop wasting money and give the prom a cycle lane.

The public transport in the area is a joke. The government (and local governemnt) want us out of our cars and now cyclists are the problem?

Incredible.

Chris Saunders whose job it is to keep the sea front a safe place and primarily NOT to upset the grockles thought his job was best done with 3 police cars, a police van and 2 officers on bikes? For one cyclist????

I am glad our council tax is being spent so wisely.
Just Pathetic. I am so glad our police have plenty of time to stop a cyclist on the prom. For a start there is no point in a 10mph speed limit, there is no legislation that demands that a cycle has to have any method for measuring speed. How would a cyclist know if he was doing 10mph? It is is yet another un enforceable "rule" by a a bunch of NIMBY pensioners on the council. Instead of mindless bans for cyclists, for whom there zero facilities in bournemouth, perhaps the council would stop wasting money and give the prom a cycle lane. The public transport in the area is a joke. The government (and local governemnt) want us out of our cars and now cyclists are the problem? Incredible. Chris Saunders whose job it is to keep the sea front a safe place and primarily NOT to upset the grockles thought his job was best done with 3 police cars, a police van and 2 officers on bikes? For one cyclist???? I am glad our council tax is being spent so wisely. Gooby
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10:35am Fri 26 Jun 09

ciderscott says...

Good...throw the book at him. Maybe these speeding menaces can be banned for good! Get a car!!!lol
Mr J Clarkson
Good...throw the book at him. Maybe these speeding menaces can be banned for good! Get a car!!!lol Mr J Clarkson ciderscott
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11:12am Fri 26 Jun 09

Peggy Babcock says...

Glashen wrote:
Peggy Babcock wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
No! he is isn't under any circumstances right to ride into him, that would be an assault. It is this sort of attitude that will get cycling banned. I believe if cyclists can be responsible it would be reasonable for them to use the pavements but only if they don't inconvenience, let alone endanger pedestrians, it is possible but sadly reasonable and responsible are words not much in evidence in life nowadays.
Yes! The person standing in the way can move!

I'm in no way advocating going 'fast'. My point is people have no legal right to stop you.
[quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.[/p][/quote]No! he is isn't under any circumstances right to ride into him, that would be an assault. It is this sort of attitude that will get cycling banned. I believe if cyclists can be responsible it would be reasonable for them to use the pavements but only if they don't inconvenience, let alone endanger pedestrians, it is possible but sadly reasonable and responsible are words not much in evidence in life nowadays.[/p][/quote]Yes! The person standing in the way can move! I'm in no way advocating going 'fast'. My point is people have no legal right to stop you. Peggy Babcock
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11:26am Fri 26 Jun 09

anderton says...

Here we go again,loads of comments from many who were not there and dont know the facts,and the boring repetitive, blame the council and police again.
Here we go again,loads of comments from many who were not there and dont know the facts,and the boring repetitive, blame the council and police again. anderton
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11:30am Fri 26 Jun 09

ry8000 says...

anderton wrote:
Here we go again,loads of comments from many who were not there and dont know the facts,and the boring repetitive, blame the council and police again.
It may be boring and repetitive, but think about how you would feel if you or your family felt threatened by real criminals, and the police tell you that resources aren't available to help... then you hear about how many are used in this type of situation. Then I'm sure you would have some useful feedback.
[quote][p][bold]anderton[/bold] wrote: Here we go again,loads of comments from many who were not there and dont know the facts,and the boring repetitive, blame the council and police again.[/p][/quote]It may be boring and repetitive, but think about how you would feel if you or your family felt threatened by real criminals, and the police tell you that resources aren't available to help... then you hear about how many are used in this type of situation. Then I'm sure you would have some useful feedback. ry8000
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11:51am Fri 26 Jun 09

madras says...

Peggy Babcock wrote:
A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
Presumably there is no law preventing me from standing there with my fist clenched and arm outstretched - and if the cyclist happens to cycle face-first into it he's also 'quite right to do so'...
[quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.[/p][/quote]Presumably there is no law preventing me from standing there with my fist clenched and arm outstretched - and if the cyclist happens to cycle face-first into it he's also 'quite right to do so'... madras
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11:59am Fri 26 Jun 09

ry8000 says...

I personally think it's a bit silly for anyone, other than the police, to try to impede the movements of another individual. That alone, could be unlawful.

Why not just live and let live... BOTH pedestrians and cyclists need to learn to live in the same space. And lets not forget that most people fall into both of those groups of people, so have a bit of empathy.

Six of one, half a dozen...
I personally think it's a bit silly for anyone, other than the police, to try to impede the movements of another individual. That alone, could be unlawful. Why not just live and let live... BOTH pedestrians and cyclists need to learn to live in the same space. And lets not forget that most people fall into both of those groups of people, so have a bit of empathy. Six of one, half a dozen... ry8000
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12:05pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

These Lego men Beach patrol guys with their cars and flashing lights and there torches are power tripping bullies.

I feel sorry for the guy who got arrested - it was probarbly a sadistic power trip by the beach "guard".

They seem unacountable and should not have any powers - as they are not fair in their actions.

I have witnessed the ongoiing onslaught and torment of young people on the beach. They seem to love being in authority. One day it will all end in tears.

They are not very respectful to people and they should join the police if they want to be in charge - but they would then have to be accountable.

Currently they act like they own the beach themselves and they roam up and down flashing their lights beeping at people and forcing people out of their way. They wind up people up and down the beach - What is the point of their job - to put the sand back on the beach- To be a mennace - To inforce beach PCT?.

The beach is for everyone to enjoy - its not their beach its Britians Public beach.

They are (security) men/Lego men who have never grown up and they make there sand castles etc with proper veichles and drive well over the 10mph limit in their flashing cars.

These Lego men Beach patrol guys with their cars and flashing lights and there torches are power tripping bullies. I feel sorry for the guy who got arrested - it was probarbly a sadistic power trip by the beach "guard". They seem unacountable and should not have any powers - as they are not fair in their actions. I have witnessed the ongoiing onslaught and torment of young people on the beach. They seem to love being in authority. One day it will all end in tears. They are not very respectful to people and they should join the police if they want to be in charge - but they would then have to be accountable. Currently they act like they own the beach themselves and they roam up and down flashing their lights beeping at people and forcing people out of their way. They wind up people up and down the beach - What is the point of their job - to put the sand back on the beach- To be a mennace - To inforce beach PCT?. The beach is for everyone to enjoy - its not their beach its Britians Public beach. They are (security) men/Lego men who have never grown up and they make there sand castles etc with proper veichles and drive well over the 10mph limit in their flashing cars. mark0peters
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12:20pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

Isle of white becomes Pensioner Island:

Move all the Oaps to the isle of white for there personal saftey.

They should simply empty the isle of white of people and make it into a beautiful retirement island and flats on the isle of white and allow the population of Oaps to live there as one big retirement island.

They would be safe and happy - and the millions of empty houses would be sold to young families to pay for it:)
Isle of white becomes Pensioner Island: Move all the Oaps to the isle of white for there personal saftey. They should simply empty the isle of white of people and make it into a beautiful retirement island and flats on the isle of white and allow the population of Oaps to live there as one big retirement island. They would be safe and happy - and the millions of empty houses would be sold to young families to pay for it:) mark0peters
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12:26pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Chris... says...

Beach Huts and Cliffs
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Motor vehicle only

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Cyclists only

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Pavement for People

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Beach Huts and Cliffs -------------------- -- Motor vehicle only -------------------- -- Cyclists only -------------------- - Pavement for People -------------------- Chris...
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12:27pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Chris... says...

Ah well, one should get the ideas of what I am trying to put across.

See my posts.

Ah well, one should get the ideas of what I am trying to put across. See my posts. Chris...
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12:28pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

If it was Tony the lego man - then he is well known for his attitudes - Iam sure it was not one sided.
If it was Tony the lego man - then he is well known for his attitudes - Iam sure it was not one sided. mark0peters
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12:28pm Fri 26 Jun 09

amrob100 says...

mark0peters,- I am no where near pension age!

In response to your comments about the beach wardens - I can only assume you have never had a real conversation with one.

Richard at Alum Chine is fantastic & looks after us all with good humour & goes way beyond with the care he shows to us all.

Previous wardens have all been good too - but Richard really puts himself out & i believe the beach is a better, safer place because of the work they all do.
mark0peters,- I am no where near pension age! In response to your comments about the beach wardens - I can only assume you have never had a real conversation with one. Richard at Alum Chine is fantastic & looks after us all with good humour & goes way beyond with the care he shows to us all. Previous wardens have all been good too - but Richard really puts himself out & i believe the beach is a better, safer place because of the work they all do. amrob100
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12:33pm Fri 26 Jun 09

amrob100 says...

mark0peters
I object to your post calling me a 'false witness'
I know I was there & that is exactly what had happened. There were many other witnessed - including a young mother with a baby in a buggy - lovely language for a toddler to listen to.
mark0peters I object to your post calling me a 'false witness' I know I was there & that is exactly what had happened. There were many other witnessed - including a young mother with a baby in a buggy - lovely language for a toddler to listen to. amrob100
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12:46pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...


I have spoken with many of them and found many to be pleasant - but also some to be sadistic. (mostly the night patrol who enjoy winding up young people on the beach) They tend to antagonise people and wind people up. The whole situation was one of "man pride" and Lego man childish actions. The Beach patrol man wanted to be the hero saying "I must stop you - I am in charge". He should have left the guy well alone. This story sounds like the MP who recently got in trouble doing a similar thing and interfered and antagonised someone enjoying themselves.

Certain people cannot relax and do not allow others to relax and have fun. They should relax and chill out or they might just have heart attack or worse. Some rules are just pathetic and cyclists who are just getting fit and not polluting the environment should be praised - not attacked. It was a case of provocation and I am not surprised if the cyclist guy flipped out.

On the other hand the 1 million+ car drivers that pollute Bournemouth and leave their rubbish on the beach e.g. face no such problems- can you imagine a plain clothed police officer stepping out in front of a car in rush hour shouting stop? And I am sure if you announced every crash or motor incident and road rage - you would have 1000/s of stories.
I have spoken with many of them and found many to be pleasant - but also some to be sadistic. (mostly the night patrol who enjoy winding up young people on the beach) They tend to antagonise people and wind people up. The whole situation was one of "man pride" and Lego man childish actions. The Beach patrol man wanted to be the hero saying "I must stop you - I am in charge". He should have left the guy well alone. This story sounds like the MP who recently got in trouble doing a similar thing and interfered and antagonised someone enjoying themselves. Certain people cannot relax and do not allow others to relax and have fun. They should relax and chill out or they might just have heart attack or worse. Some rules are just pathetic and cyclists who are just getting fit and not polluting the environment should be praised - not attacked. It was a case of provocation and I am not surprised if the cyclist guy flipped out. On the other hand the 1 million+ car drivers that pollute Bournemouth and leave their rubbish on the beach e.g. face no such problems- can you imagine a plain clothed police officer stepping out in front of a car in rush hour shouting stop? And I am sure if you announced every crash or motor incident and road rage - you would have 1000/s of stories. mark0peters
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12:55pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

Also the people who Own the beach huts - DONT OWN THE BEACH :P

Also the people who Own the beach huts - DONT OWN THE BEACH :P mark0peters
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12:57pm Fri 26 Jun 09

amrob100 says...

I know exactly what a false witnes is & it aint me.

I was there, I know exactly what I saw & the cyclist deserves to have the book thrown at him.

I love to chill out & relax but the danger that the cyclists cause often prevents this.

Roll on 1st July
I know exactly what a false witnes is & it aint me. I was there, I know exactly what I saw & the cyclist deserves to have the book thrown at him. I love to chill out & relax but the danger that the cyclists cause often prevents this. Roll on 1st July amrob100
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12:57pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Peggy Babcock says...

madras wrote:
Peggy Babcock wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
Presumably there is no law preventing me from standing there with my fist clenched and arm outstretched - and if the cyclist happens to cycle face-first into it he's also 'quite right to do so'...
Nope - give it a whirl and we'll see what happens
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.[/p][/quote]Presumably there is no law preventing me from standing there with my fist clenched and arm outstretched - and if the cyclist happens to cycle face-first into it he's also 'quite right to do so'...[/p][/quote]Nope - give it a whirl and we'll see what happens Peggy Babcock
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1:11pm Fri 26 Jun 09

poolebabe says...

GB916 wrote:
"A CYCLIST was handcuffed and led away by police after an alleged collision on Bournemouth promenade involving the town’s seafront boss" Another sensational story to blight the cyclist by the echo,i agree if the cyclist did purposely collide with this person then they desrve to be charged,but funny how they did not arrest the cyclist who collided with that girl at the chines,just goes to show you,simply because it was a senior Bournemouth council worker,the police swoop in numbers,but for the rest of jo public its"oh sorry we dont have the resources to respond,we're too busy looking after important people,and as your public forget it." Im fed up with the echo always saying cyclists are bad mannered moron's,so much for an unbiased paper,its about time the echo is bought to book about it's one sided biased reporting. NOT ALL CYCLISTS ARE MORONS AND BREAK ALL THE LAWS,IM SHOUTING SO WE CYCLISTS CANBE HEARD AND NOT BRANDED UNCARING IDIOTS LIKE THE ECHO SEEMS TO THINK WE ALL ARE. I guess this comment wilbe removed as the echo dont like these type of comments
I agree with you 100% you have it nailed on. Every single little thing is reported and it does seem like a bias view.
[quote][p][bold]GB916[/bold] wrote: "A CYCLIST was handcuffed and led away by police after an alleged collision on Bournemouth promenade involving the town’s seafront boss" Another sensational story to blight the cyclist by the echo,i agree if the cyclist did purposely collide with this person then they desrve to be charged,but funny how they did not arrest the cyclist who collided with that girl at the chines,just goes to show you,simply because it was a senior Bournemouth council worker,the police swoop in numbers,but for the rest of jo public its"oh sorry we dont have the resources to respond,we're too busy looking after important people,and as your public forget it." Im fed up with the echo always saying cyclists are bad mannered moron's,so much for an unbiased paper,its about time the echo is bought to book about it's one sided biased reporting. NOT ALL CYCLISTS ARE MORONS AND BREAK ALL THE LAWS,IM SHOUTING SO WE CYCLISTS CANBE HEARD AND NOT BRANDED UNCARING IDIOTS LIKE THE ECHO SEEMS TO THINK WE ALL ARE. I guess this comment wilbe removed as the echo dont like these type of comments[/p][/quote]I agree with you 100% you have it nailed on. Every single little thing is reported and it does seem like a bias view. poolebabe
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1:21pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

I reckon all this nonsense and picking on cyclists is caused by "Baech hut Snobs" Who think they own the beach - when they actually own a shed on the promenade and pay a ridiculous ammount of money for a rotting wooden poorley painted shed.

The funny thing is that they cant even sleep in these little places.

Maybe they will ban the beach huts and make a cycle lane where they used to be.
I reckon all this nonsense and picking on cyclists is caused by "Baech hut Snobs" Who think they own the beach - when they actually own a shed on the promenade and pay a ridiculous ammount of money for a rotting wooden poorley painted shed. The funny thing is that they cant even sleep in these little places. Maybe they will ban the beach huts and make a cycle lane where they used to be. mark0peters
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1:27pm Fri 26 Jun 09

In Absentia says...

The implication from the article is that the Council Officer was possibly assaulted in some way. No excuse for that at all.
The implication from the article is that the Council Officer was possibly assaulted in some way. No excuse for that at all. In Absentia
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1:33pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

Probarbly after the guy walked out infront of the cyclist - the bike hit him. Cause and effect.

Why did he step out in front of him?

The guy probarbly attempted a trick style jump to avoid collision - but it failed and was percieved as a deliberate act of violence - what Rot!

You can call it assult - but yet again its criminalising the inocent - There are enough incedents to deal with without creating them.

He wanted to get hit - simple as that.
Probarbly after the guy walked out infront of the cyclist - the bike hit him. Cause and effect. Why did he step out in front of him? The guy probarbly attempted a trick style jump to avoid collision - but it failed and was percieved as a deliberate act of violence - what Rot! You can call it assult - but yet again its criminalising the inocent - There are enough incedents to deal with without creating them. He wanted to get hit - simple as that. mark0peters
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1:40pm Fri 26 Jun 09

pinoso318 says...

One rule for one .. a different rule for use mortals. I had my car damaged in a hit and run (which I witnessed from 15ft. Gave the Police the reg no. They didnt even attend and never found the driver. I which they had put that much effort into my incident. No, the Police didnt even acknowledge it was a crime.
One rule for one .. a different rule for use mortals. I had my car damaged in a hit and run (which I witnessed from 15ft. Gave the Police the reg no. They didnt even attend and never found the driver. I which they had put that much effort into my incident. No, the Police didnt even acknowledge it was a crime. pinoso318
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1:50pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

The rich make the rules and the rich protect the rich and generally the rich are those with enough money to buy a beach hut..

..remember the sandbanks party.. they wouldnt let the young people have fun.. because they think they own the beach because they live by it..
The rich make the rules and the rich protect the rich and generally the rich are those with enough money to buy a beach hut.. ..remember the sandbanks party.. they wouldnt let the young people have fun.. because they think they own the beach because they live by it.. mark0peters
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2:58pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Chris... says...

mark0peters, it sounds like you are a very jealous person against those who have for many years been lucky enough to get a beach hut. Go to Studland, they rent them by the day. But for god sake, stop whinging aboout Beach Hut owners. The story is about A cyclist, and what do with regards to cycling on the prom, not trying to rid the prom of anyone.

mark0peters, it sounds like you are a very jealous person against those who have for many years been lucky enough to get a beach hut. Go to Studland, they rent them by the day. But for god sake, stop whinging aboout Beach Hut owners. The story is about A cyclist, and what do with regards to cycling on the prom, not trying to rid the prom of anyone. Chris...
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3:01pm Fri 26 Jun 09

alanhl says...

Peggy Babcock wrote:
A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
this is a typical attitude of most cyclists, unfortunately for them it only needs to be a bylaw and if they are speeding they can be stopped and fined. cyclists are also not allowed to ride on pavements by LAW and the police are entitled to stop them. MOST cyclists are arrogant buffoons, if you dont believe me stand on the footpath in Winton and count how many use the road and how many ride just as fast on the pavement, swerving round and brushing past pedestrians old and young alike. it is about time the police did more to control cyclists with peggy babcocks attitude problems and certainly they should be barred all year round from the promanades
[quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.[/p][/quote]this is a typical attitude of most cyclists, unfortunately for them it only needs to be a bylaw and if they are speeding they can be stopped and fined. cyclists are also not allowed to ride on pavements by LAW and the police are entitled to stop them. MOST cyclists are arrogant buffoons, if you dont believe me stand on the footpath in Winton and count how many use the road and how many ride just as fast on the pavement, swerving round and brushing past pedestrians old and young alike. it is about time the police did more to control cyclists with peggy babcocks attitude problems and certainly they should be barred all year round from the promanades alanhl
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3:13pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

Chris - The people who complain the most about cyclists are those in beach huts or OAPS.

I like the whole beach - not just a section and i cant undersnd why someone would want a beach hut anyway.

alanhl:

"arrogant buffoons"

Sounds like some other little boy went to a private boys school too.

Chris - The people who complain the most about cyclists are those in beach huts or OAPS. I like the whole beach - not just a section and i cant undersnd why someone would want a beach hut anyway. alanhl: "arrogant buffoons" Sounds like some other little boy went to a private boys school too. mark0peters
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3:29pm Fri 26 Jun 09

anderton says...

Arguing away against each other will never solve any problems,some comments are put in to goad others,dont bite.
Arguing away against each other will never solve any problems,some comments are put in to goad others,dont bite. anderton
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3:29pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mikeh2000 says...

To put this into context, he may have been a burglar,armed bank robber, etc, and intelligence or cctv found out he was cycling along the promenade, hence the arrest, as it sounded like a pre-planned operation, and not someone being nicked simply for cycling along the pavement, unless he wouldn't say who he was, in which case you have no chioice but to nick them.
To put this into context, he may have been a burglar,armed bank robber, etc, and intelligence or cctv found out he was cycling along the promenade, hence the arrest, as it sounded like a pre-planned operation, and not someone being nicked simply for cycling along the pavement, unless he wouldn't say who he was, in which case you have no chioice but to nick them. mikeh2000
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3:40pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Peggy Babcock says...

alanhl wrote:
Peggy Babcock wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
this is a typical attitude of most cyclists, unfortunately for them it only needs to be a bylaw and if they are speeding they can be stopped and fined. cyclists are also not allowed to ride on pavements by LAW and the police are entitled to stop them. MOST cyclists are arrogant buffoons, if you dont believe me stand on the footpath in Winton and count how many use the road and how many ride just as fast on the pavement, swerving round and brushing past pedestrians old and young alike. it is about time the police did more to control cyclists with peggy babcocks attitude problems and certainly they should be barred all year round from the promanades
I have not got ‘an attitude’, I am merely stating facts. A person blocking my way could have ‘an attitude’, particularly with a fist sticking out.. After all, without a speed gun could how can they know my speed, be it 1mph or 15 mph over the ‘requested’ speed limit.

I use the prom as part of my commute to work, doing over 100 miles per week. I have previously stated my thoughts on this issue:

1. There are idiots, but they are a minority
2. Rather than have a blanket ban in July and August, the decision to ban cycling should taken whereby based on how busy it is. A sunny Saturday or Sunday in December can be busier than a cloudy day in August.
3. Poole Council should do more to remove the build up of sand during winter. Bournemouth Council do a fantastic job.
4. Over the past few weeks, I have not used the prom in the late afternoon, instead cycling via the cliff top routes. This route should be signposted as an alternative.
5. Pedestrians need to look where they are going, just as much as cyclists.
6. Why the focus on the prom? There are so many other shared routes (New Forest / Castleman Trailway) yet we hear of no incidents here.
7. The councils should engage both pedestrians and cyclists in a forum to establish a better solution.

You talk about a bylaw on speed bt again you are not understanding that it is not a legal requirement to have a speedometer. I have offered a very balanced view on the subject now – what suggestions do YOU have to say about it, rather that beaking on about attitudes?
[quote][p][bold]alanhl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.[/p][/quote]this is a typical attitude of most cyclists, unfortunately for them it only needs to be a bylaw and if they are speeding they can be stopped and fined. cyclists are also not allowed to ride on pavements by LAW and the police are entitled to stop them. MOST cyclists are arrogant buffoons, if you dont believe me stand on the footpath in Winton and count how many use the road and how many ride just as fast on the pavement, swerving round and brushing past pedestrians old and young alike. it is about time the police did more to control cyclists with peggy babcocks attitude problems and certainly they should be barred all year round from the promanades[/p][/quote]I have not got ‘an attitude’, I am merely stating facts. A person blocking my way could have ‘an attitude’, particularly with a fist sticking out.. After all, without a speed gun could how can they know my speed, be it 1mph or 15 mph over the ‘requested’ speed limit. I use the prom as part of my commute to work, doing over 100 miles per week. I have previously stated my thoughts on this issue: 1. There are idiots, but they are a minority 2. Rather than have a blanket ban in July and August, the decision to ban cycling should taken whereby based on how busy it is. A sunny Saturday or Sunday in December can be busier than a cloudy day in August. 3. Poole Council should do more to remove the build up of sand during winter. Bournemouth Council do a fantastic job. 4. Over the past few weeks, I have not used the prom in the late afternoon, instead cycling via the cliff top routes. This route should be signposted as an alternative. 5. Pedestrians need to look where they are going, just as much as cyclists. 6. Why the focus on the prom? There are so many other shared routes (New Forest / Castleman Trailway) yet we hear of no incidents here. 7. The councils should engage both pedestrians and cyclists in a forum to establish a better solution. You talk about a bylaw on speed bt again you are not understanding that it is not a legal requirement to have a speedometer. I have offered a very balanced view on the subject now – what suggestions do YOU have to say about it, rather that beaking on about attitudes? Peggy Babcock
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3:42pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

Or on the flip side maybe he was just a poor bloke, in the middle of a nasty divorce, going to work where he is under worry of redundancy and he cant afford a car and he had a really bad sleep...so he was late and then sweating and doing his best to be on time some undercover beach official "nutter" jumped infront of him..

..what would you do if you were him?

.. Iam sure you would all be polite...
Or on the flip side maybe he was just a poor bloke, in the middle of a nasty divorce, going to work where he is under worry of redundancy and he cant afford a car and he had a really bad sleep...so he was late and then sweating and doing his best to be on time some undercover beach official "nutter" jumped infront of him.. ..what would you do if you were him? .. Iam sure you would all be polite... mark0peters
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3:51pm Fri 26 Jun 09

simer says...

The issue here is not about cyclists using the prom, it is about them using the prom in a safe manner that does not endanger themselves or others. The beach, by it's very nature is a pedestrian area with many young children. The only way to reach the beach is to cross the prom - is it unreasonable to expect ALL cyclists to ride in a safe manner and without excessive speed? As a cyclist I would not like to see a total ban, but as a parent I would not like ANY child's life put in danger by an irresponsible cyclist riding at excessive speed.
The issue here is not about cyclists using the prom, it is about them using the prom in a safe manner that does not endanger themselves or others. The beach, by it's very nature is a pedestrian area with many young children. The only way to reach the beach is to cross the prom - is it unreasonable to expect ALL cyclists to ride in a safe manner and without excessive speed? As a cyclist I would not like to see a total ban, but as a parent I would not like ANY child's life put in danger by an irresponsible cyclist riding at excessive speed. simer
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3:52pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Phil67 says...

Just for the record Bournemouth Promenade is part of the National Cycle Network. A government endorsed cycle network. Good luck getting that revoked. Also what gives the garden shed owners the right to sprawl out all over the prom as if they own it, forcing both cyclists and walkers to funnel into an even smaller area? Or how about the people walking 2 or 3 dogs off of the lead that seem to deliberately call their dogs as you are cycling past (at 10mph) and then glare at you or swear as you swerve to avoid their precious pooches? Anyone stepping out in front of me better be wearing a policeman’s uniform or I’m going to assume he wants to attack me and defend myself accordingly. For a final point there is a traffic speed sign at the Bournemouth Pier area of the prom that indicates 20mph (this is also painted on the tarmac) so how can the “10mph enforcement” be legal. There are disagreeing signs; the case would never stand up.
Just for the record Bournemouth Promenade is part of the National Cycle Network. A government endorsed cycle network. Good luck getting that revoked. Also what gives the garden shed owners the right to sprawl out all over the prom as if they own it, forcing both cyclists and walkers to funnel into an even smaller area? Or how about the people walking 2 or 3 dogs off of the lead that seem to deliberately call their dogs as you are cycling past (at 10mph) and then glare at you or swear as you swerve to avoid their precious pooches? Anyone stepping out in front of me better be wearing a policeman’s uniform or I’m going to assume he wants to attack me and defend myself accordingly. For a final point there is a traffic speed sign at the Bournemouth Pier area of the prom that indicates 20mph (this is also painted on the tarmac) so how can the “10mph enforcement” be legal. There are disagreeing signs; the case would never stand up. Phil67
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3:55pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Bournehammer68 says...

Peggy Babcock wrote:
madras wrote:
Peggy Babcock wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.
Presumably there is no law preventing me from standing there with my fist clenched and arm outstretched - and if the cyclist happens to cycle face-first into it he's also 'quite right to do so'...
Nope - give it a whirl and we'll see what happens
peggy I think I love you x
[quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: A cyclist is entiled to ignore anyone telling them to slow down AS IT IS NOT A LAW. That includes the police, beach officials, or any other tom dick or harry who wants to stand in your way, so if he did ride into him, he's quite right to do so.[/p][/quote]Presumably there is no law preventing me from standing there with my fist clenched and arm outstretched - and if the cyclist happens to cycle face-first into it he's also 'quite right to do so'...[/p][/quote]Nope - give it a whirl and we'll see what happens[/p][/quote]peggy I think I love you x Bournehammer68
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4:23pm Fri 26 Jun 09

jeebuscripes says...

Why not hold an official meeting between all stakeholders in this debate.

I'd suggest that the IMAX would be perfect based on its location and more than adequate transport links.

People could easily walk or cycle there. If it was also being used as a first aid centre, as someone on here suggested before, then any accidents that happened as pedestrians and cyclists collided en route to the meeting could also be treated in the same building.

A helipad on the roof could be used to air ambulance away any serious casualties.
Why not hold an official meeting between all stakeholders in this debate. I'd suggest that the IMAX would be perfect based on its location and more than adequate transport links. People could easily walk or cycle there. If it was also being used as a first aid centre, as someone on here suggested before, then any accidents that happened as pedestrians and cyclists collided en route to the meeting could also be treated in the same building. A helipad on the roof could be used to air ambulance away any serious casualties. jeebuscripes
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4:24pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

Phil67, Springbourne says...
3:52pm Fri 26 Jun 09
Just for the record Bournemouth Promenade is part of the National Cycle Network. A government endorsed cycle network. Good luck getting that revoked. Also what gives the garden shed owners the right to sprawl out all over the prom as if they own it, forcing both cyclists and walkers to funnel into an even smaller area? Or how about the people walking 2 or 3 dogs off of the lead that seem to deliberately call their dogs as you are cycling past (at 10mph) and then glare at you or swear as you swerve to avoid their precious pooches? Anyone stepping out in front of me better be wearing a policeman’s uniform or I’m going to assume he wants to attack me and defend myself accordingly. For a final point there is a traffic speed sign at the Bournemouth Pier area of the prom that indicates 20mph (this is also painted on the tarmac) so how can the “10mph enforcement” be legal. There are disagreeing signs; the case would never stand up.


Totally Agree ! great points...
Phil67, Springbourne says... 3:52pm Fri 26 Jun 09 Just for the record Bournemouth Promenade is part of the National Cycle Network. A government endorsed cycle network. Good luck getting that revoked. Also what gives the garden shed owners the right to sprawl out all over the prom as if they own it, forcing both cyclists and walkers to funnel into an even smaller area? Or how about the people walking 2 or 3 dogs off of the lead that seem to deliberately call their dogs as you are cycling past (at 10mph) and then glare at you or swear as you swerve to avoid their precious pooches? Anyone stepping out in front of me better be wearing a policeman’s uniform or I’m going to assume he wants to attack me and defend myself accordingly. For a final point there is a traffic speed sign at the Bournemouth Pier area of the prom that indicates 20mph (this is also painted on the tarmac) so how can the “10mph enforcement” be legal. There are disagreeing signs; the case would never stand up. Totally Agree ! great points... mark0peters
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4:25pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Invisible says...

Gosh - yet another Echo scoop, giving sketchy information about what actually led to this latest sea front 'collision' in the first place... Question: Why do the police (and the Councils) continually turn a blind eye to pavement cyclists and those who choose to ride in pedestrian only shopping areas? It happens every day: is highly unacceptable and very dangerous, but goes seemingly unpunished.
Gosh - yet another Echo scoop, giving sketchy information about what actually led to this latest sea front 'collision' in the first place... Question: Why do the police (and the Councils) continually turn a blind eye to pavement cyclists and those who choose to ride in pedestrian only shopping areas? It happens every day: is highly unacceptable and very dangerous, but goes seemingly unpunished. Invisible
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4:26pm Fri 26 Jun 09

rook says...

With all the reporting and debate on this recently, it sounds awfully close to entrapment that the random person involved happens to be a council official and there are police on stand-by ready to storm the beach.

Unless the cyclist actually rammed the council bloke, it sounds very much like he actually stepped in front of the bike. If I was the bike rider, I'd be rightly p***ed off about this and tell the chap what I thought.

When it all comes down to it, the promenade is a road where cars can legally drive at 20mph. If an adult gets hit by any vehicle, they really ought to be looking around and aware of their surroundings. If a child is not able to understand the dangers of running into the road, then the parents need to keep an eye on them.

The combined pavement and road along the prom must be 25' wide - surely it should not be difficult to ensure everyone's interests are catered for?

There is a pavement along the promenade between the sand and the road. Along this road are cars, bikes, motorbikes and a blue train which people should be aware of.

Simples!

PS HOW MANY police?
With all the reporting and debate on this recently, it sounds awfully close to entrapment that the random person involved happens to be a council official and there are police on stand-by ready to storm the beach. Unless the cyclist actually rammed the council bloke, it sounds very much like he actually stepped in front of the bike. If I was the bike rider, I'd be rightly p***ed off about this and tell the chap what I thought. When it all comes down to it, the promenade is a road where cars can legally drive at 20mph. If an adult gets hit by any vehicle, they really ought to be looking around and aware of their surroundings. If a child is not able to understand the dangers of running into the road, then the parents need to keep an eye on them. The combined pavement and road along the prom must be 25' wide - surely it should not be difficult to ensure everyone's interests are catered for? There is a pavement along the promenade between the sand and the road. Along this road are cars, bikes, motorbikes and a blue train which people should be aware of. Simples! PS HOW MANY police? rook
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4:30pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Emulated says...

promenade Show phonetics
noun (INFORMAL prom)
a path for walking on, especially one built next to the sea:
Only a council is stupid to make it a cycle way.
promenade Show phonetics noun [C] (INFORMAL prom) a path for walking on, especially one built next to the sea: Only a council is stupid to make it a cycle way. Emulated
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4:34pm Fri 26 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

People on the promenade are often half awake after a night out on the weekend, drunk with too much sun chips icecream and cant see properly because they have there sunglasses on too.. there in a daze and wander about in there skimpy things and spread there stuff all over the place and sprawl about - How much room do they want?
People on the promenade are often half awake after a night out on the weekend, drunk with too much sun chips icecream and cant see properly because they have there sunglasses on too.. there in a daze and wander about in there skimpy things and spread there stuff all over the place and sprawl about - How much room do they want? mark0peters
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4:38pm Fri 26 Jun 09

anderton says...

Invisible wrote:
Gosh - yet another Echo scoop, giving sketchy information about what actually led to this latest sea front 'collision' in the first place... Question: Why do the police (and the Councils) continually turn a blind eye to pavement cyclists and those who choose to ride in pedestrian only shopping areas? It happens every day: is highly unacceptable and very dangerous, but goes seemingly unpunished.
Sensible comments,but i doubt wether you will get sensible answers.
[quote][p][bold]Invisible[/bold] wrote: Gosh - yet another Echo scoop, giving sketchy information about what actually led to this latest sea front 'collision' in the first place... Question: Why do the police (and the Councils) continually turn a blind eye to pavement cyclists and those who choose to ride in pedestrian only shopping areas? It happens every day: is highly unacceptable and very dangerous, but goes seemingly unpunished. [/p][/quote]Sensible comments,but i doubt wether you will get sensible answers. anderton
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4:38pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Phil67 says...

mark0peters wrote:
People on the promenade are often half awake after a night out on the weekend, drunk with too much sun chips icecream and cant see properly because they have there sunglasses on too.. there in a daze and wander about in there skimpy things and spread there stuff all over the place and sprawl about - How much room do they want?
Good points, well made.

Could all the anti-cycling on the prom brigade please check this out:-

http://www.sustrans.
org.uk/what-we-do/na
tional-cycle-network
/route-numbering-sys
tem/62

We are being encouraged to use the prom.
[quote][p][bold]mark0peters[/bold] wrote: People on the promenade are often half awake after a night out on the weekend, drunk with too much sun chips icecream and cant see properly because they have there sunglasses on too.. there in a daze and wander about in there skimpy things and spread there stuff all over the place and sprawl about - How much room do they want? [/p][/quote]Good points, well made. Could all the anti-cycling on the prom brigade please check this out:- http://www.sustrans. org.uk/what-we-do/na tional-cycle-network /route-numbering-sys tem/62 We are being encouraged to use the prom. Phil67
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4:41pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Phil67 says...

Emulated wrote:
promenade Show phonetics noun (INFORMAL prom) a path for walking on, especially one built next to the sea: Only a council is stupid to make it a cycle way.
Check this out and try again Emulated:-

http://www.sustrans.
org.uk/what-we-do/na
tional-cycle-network
/route-numbering-sys
tem/62
[quote][p][bold]Emulated[/bold] wrote: promenade Show phonetics noun [C] (INFORMAL prom) a path for walking on, especially one built next to the sea: Only a council is stupid to make it a cycle way.[/p][/quote]Check this out and try again Emulated:- http://www.sustrans. org.uk/what-we-do/na tional-cycle-network /route-numbering-sys tem/62 Phil67
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4:43pm Fri 26 Jun 09

tony.b says...

Alanhl: MOST cyclists are buffoons. really?
I only know 2 alan's 1 is a headcase and the other isn't so add to that you and that makes MOST alan's complete headcases! Amazing another "inmate" making wild and unvalidated statements as fact! If this is true (which it isn't) then take photographic evidence of all these buffoons and provide the authorities with your proof!
Alanhl: MOST cyclists are buffoons. really? I only know 2 alan's 1 is a headcase and the other isn't so add to that you and that makes MOST alan's complete headcases! Amazing another "inmate" making wild and unvalidated statements as fact! If this is true (which it isn't) then take photographic evidence of all these buffoons and provide the authorities with your proof! tony.b
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4:47pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Invisible says...

anderton wrote:
Invisible wrote: Gosh - yet another Echo scoop, giving sketchy information about what actually led to this latest sea front 'collision' in the first place... Question: Why do the police (and the Councils) continually turn a blind eye to pavement cyclists and those who choose to ride in pedestrian only shopping areas? It happens every day: is highly unacceptable and very dangerous, but goes seemingly unpunished.
Sensible comments,but i doubt wether you will get sensible answers.
Of course not. I wrote to Dorset Police not so long ago, begging the same question. Their reply: I can confirm that it is illegal for cyclists to ride on the pavement.

From another Anderton.
[quote][p][bold]anderton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invisible[/bold] wrote: Gosh - yet another Echo scoop, giving sketchy information about what actually led to this latest sea front 'collision' in the first place... Question: Why do the police (and the Councils) continually turn a blind eye to pavement cyclists and those who choose to ride in pedestrian only shopping areas? It happens every day: is highly unacceptable and very dangerous, but goes seemingly unpunished. [/p][/quote]Sensible comments,but i doubt wether you will get sensible answers.[/p][/quote]Of course not. I wrote to Dorset Police not so long ago, begging the same question. Their reply: I can confirm that it is illegal for cyclists to ride on the pavement. From another Anderton. Invisible
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5:58pm Fri 26 Jun 09

wimborne1 says...

I reserve the right to take my small children and elderly mother down to the beach and walk along the prom and I expect it to be safe. It's supposed to be fun for all not the-avoid-getting-ru
n-over-olympics. I am not for a minute that all cyclists are driving dangerously, but there are many who go far too fast and would injure a small child or elderly person not able to jump out of the way. Perhaps slight overkill on the police front today, but I do think taking a firm line might put off the other idiots who cycle down there far too fast.
I reserve the right to take my small children and elderly mother down to the beach and walk along the prom and I expect it to be safe. It's supposed to be fun for all not the-avoid-getting-ru n-over-olympics. I am not for a minute that all cyclists are driving dangerously, but there are many who go far too fast and would injure a small child or elderly person not able to jump out of the way. Perhaps slight overkill on the police front today, but I do think taking a firm line might put off the other idiots who cycle down there far too fast. wimborne1
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6:00pm Fri 26 Jun 09

PokesdownMark says...

Something about the story makes me queasy.

Its the blanket use of the word cyclist to describe this one individual. Yes he was a cyclist. But his specific, alleged actions are not wholly because he was a cyclist. If he was unlawfully aggressive it was not because he was a cyclist. If was because he was aggressive and happened to be cycling at the time.

It feels like the article is heavily biased against cycling because the actions are attributed to him being a cyclist and not a person riding a bike.

It is going much further I know, but if you swap the word Jew for Cyclist and re-read it you'll kinda see what I mean.

The same applied to other echo coverage. The use of a blanket term to describe a very diverse group seems like it touches on deliberate discrimination at time. I've felt it is certainly likely to stir up problems. Maybe it has?
Something about the story makes me queasy. Its the blanket use of the word cyclist to describe this one individual. Yes he was a cyclist. But his specific, alleged actions are not wholly because he was a cyclist. If he was unlawfully aggressive it was not because he was a cyclist. If was because he was aggressive and happened to be cycling at the time. It feels like the article is heavily biased against cycling because the actions are attributed to him being a cyclist and not a person riding a bike. It is going much further I know, but if you swap the word Jew for Cyclist and re-read it you'll kinda see what I mean. The same applied to other echo coverage. The use of a blanket term to describe a very diverse group seems like it touches on deliberate discrimination at time. I've felt it is certainly likely to stir up problems. Maybe it has? PokesdownMark
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6:25pm Fri 26 Jun 09

tracy m says...

Everyone is entitled to enjoy the beauty of our beach, but do cyclists not realise the meaning of the word promenade any more than some other cyclists do not understand that a red traffic light means stop?
Everyone is entitled to enjoy the beauty of our beach, but do cyclists not realise the meaning of the word promenade any more than some other cyclists do not understand that a red traffic light means stop? tracy m
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6:53pm Fri 26 Jun 09

dopey says...

@PokesdownMark,

Quite agree.

Look forward to the headline...

MP arrested and handcuffed (he was on a bicicle at the time)
@PokesdownMark, Quite agree. Look forward to the headline... MP arrested and handcuffed (he was on a bicicle at the time) dopey
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7:05pm Fri 26 Jun 09

thesyrup1 says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
Something about the story makes me queasy. Its the blanket use of the word cyclist to describe this one individual. Yes he was a cyclist. But his specific, alleged actions are not wholly because he was a cyclist. If he was unlawfully aggressive it was not because he was a cyclist. If was because he was aggressive and happened to be cycling at the time. It feels like the article is heavily biased against cycling because the actions are attributed to him being a cyclist and not a person riding a bike. It is going much further I know, but if you swap the word Jew for Cyclist and re-read it you'll kinda see what I mean. The same applied to other echo coverage. The use of a blanket term to describe a very diverse group seems like it touches on deliberate discrimination at time. I've felt it is certainly likely to stir up problems. Maybe it has?
Funny enough, i was thinking exactly the same thing. Until the Echo decided its a slow news day and started all this off, how many people actually cared less about people cycling along the Prom.Incase most people haven't noticed, theres a pavement AND a two lane road running along the prom. I dont even use a bike, but i do use the prom quite a lot. Most riders passing me, have always been polite and moved out of the way, afterall, theres plenty of room. It doesnt surprise me there was so many Police ready to leap, I'm sure the Council officer made sure of that before he took the action he did. I do ask myself why, if so many police were there, didnt THEY stop the rider? If the Council have the power to do so, may be they could make comments in here and tell us under what bylaw they derive this power from? As always, there are three camps...for ...against... and couldnt care less. I have to agree this what phil from springbourne said too. If cars can do 20mph on the road section of the prom, how are you going to nick a cyclist for doing 15mph?
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Something about the story makes me queasy. Its the blanket use of the word cyclist to describe this one individual. Yes he was a cyclist. But his specific, alleged actions are not wholly because he was a cyclist. If he was unlawfully aggressive it was not because he was a cyclist. If was because he was aggressive and happened to be cycling at the time. It feels like the article is heavily biased against cycling because the actions are attributed to him being a cyclist and not a person riding a bike. It is going much further I know, but if you swap the word Jew for Cyclist and re-read it you'll kinda see what I mean. The same applied to other echo coverage. The use of a blanket term to describe a very diverse group seems like it touches on deliberate discrimination at time. I've felt it is certainly likely to stir up problems. Maybe it has? [/p][/quote]Funny enough, i was thinking exactly the same thing. Until the Echo decided its a slow news day and started all this off, how many people actually cared less about people cycling along the Prom.Incase most people haven't noticed, theres a pavement AND a two lane road running along the prom. I dont even use a bike, but i do use the prom quite a lot. Most riders passing me, have always been polite and moved out of the way, afterall, theres plenty of room. It doesnt surprise me there was so many Police ready to leap, I'm sure the Council officer made sure of that before he took the action he did. I do ask myself why, if so many police were there, didnt THEY stop the rider? If the Council have the power to do so, may be they could make comments in here and tell us under what bylaw they derive this power from? As always, there are three camps...for ...against... and couldnt care less. I have to agree this what phil from springbourne said too. If cars can do 20mph on the road section of the prom, how are you going to nick a cyclist for doing 15mph? thesyrup1
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8:33pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Invisible says...

Are cyclists restricted to 20 MPH on the road section? I'm not sure. If so, that is wholly wrong and ALL vehicles should be subject to the same restriction.
Are cyclists restricted to 20 MPH on the road section? I'm not sure. If so, that is wholly wrong and ALL vehicles should be subject to the same restriction. Invisible
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8:34pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Invisible says...

Sorry, I do of course mean 10 MPH!
Sorry, I do of course mean 10 MPH! Invisible
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8:36pm Fri 26 Jun 09

La Folie says...

The cyclist is going to be charged with assualt. He was told to slow down. He didn't and then stopped, deliberately turned back gave the guy a load of abuse and deliberately tried to hit him with his bike; twice. Unfortunately, for him this wasn't Joe Public but a man working on behalf of the public from the Council. Perhaps when people start realising that there are actually consequences to bad behaviour people will stop acting so selfishly and start acting with a bit of consideration for their neighbour!
The cyclist is going to be charged with assualt. He was told to slow down. He didn't and then stopped, deliberately turned back gave the guy a load of abuse and deliberately tried to hit him with his bike; twice. Unfortunately, for him this wasn't Joe Public but a man working on behalf of the public from the Council. Perhaps when people start realising that there are actually consequences to bad behaviour people will stop acting so selfishly and start acting with a bit of consideration for their neighbour! La Folie
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8:37pm Fri 26 Jun 09

poolebabe says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
Something about the story makes me queasy. Its the blanket use of the word cyclist to describe this one individual. Yes he was a cyclist. But his specific, alleged actions are not wholly because he was a cyclist. If he was unlawfully aggressive it was not because he was a cyclist. If was because he was aggressive and happened to be cycling at the time. It feels like the article is heavily biased against cycling because the actions are attributed to him being a cyclist and not a person riding a bike. It is going much further I know, but if you swap the word Jew for Cyclist and re-read it you'll kinda see what I mean. The same applied to other echo coverage. The use of a blanket term to describe a very diverse group seems like it touches on deliberate discrimination at time. I've felt it is certainly likely to stir up problems. Maybe it has?
You make some very valid points there!
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Something about the story makes me queasy. Its the blanket use of the word cyclist to describe this one individual. Yes he was a cyclist. But his specific, alleged actions are not wholly because he was a cyclist. If he was unlawfully aggressive it was not because he was a cyclist. If was because he was aggressive and happened to be cycling at the time. It feels like the article is heavily biased against cycling because the actions are attributed to him being a cyclist and not a person riding a bike. It is going much further I know, but if you swap the word Jew for Cyclist and re-read it you'll kinda see what I mean. The same applied to other echo coverage. The use of a blanket term to describe a very diverse group seems like it touches on deliberate discrimination at time. I've felt it is certainly likely to stir up problems. Maybe it has? [/p][/quote]You make some very valid points there! poolebabe
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8:38pm Fri 26 Jun 09

Invisible says...

If La Folie's account is correct, why could the Echo not have reported this?
If La Folie's account is correct, why could the Echo not have reported this? Invisible
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8:56pm Fri 26 Jun 09

thesyrup1 says...

Invisible wrote:
If La Folie's account is correct, why could the Echo not have reported this?
Because it wouldnt suit them to just put " another person got lumped in Bournemouth" whats newsworthy about that? Happens every day.
[quote][p][bold]Invisible[/bold] wrote: If La Folie's account is correct, why could the Echo not have reported this?[/p][/quote]Because it wouldnt suit them to just put " another person got lumped in Bournemouth" whats newsworthy about that? Happens every day. thesyrup1
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9:01pm Fri 26 Jun 09

thesyrup1 says...

Invisible wrote:
Are cyclists restricted to 20 MPH on the road section? I'm not sure. If so, that is wholly wrong and ALL vehicles should be subject to the same restriction.
The signs clearly show a 10mph limit for riders, says nothing about not on the road bit, where other signs say 20mph limit. Most riders i have seen, have not been on the pavement, but on the road section. And before ppl tell me that its all pavement, its not.
[quote][p][bold]Invisible[/bold] wrote: Are cyclists restricted to 20 MPH on the road section? I'm not sure. If so, that is wholly wrong and ALL vehicles should be subject to the same restriction.[/p][/quote]The signs clearly show a 10mph limit for riders, says nothing about not on the road bit, where other signs say 20mph limit. Most riders i have seen, have not been on the pavement, but on the road section. And before ppl tell me that its all pavement, its not. thesyrup1
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10:38pm Fri 26 Jun 09

amrob100 says...

The cyclist is going to be charged with assualt. He was told to slow down. He didn't and then stopped, deliberately turned back gave the guy a load of abuse and deliberately tried to hit him with his bike; twice. Unfortunately, for him this wasn't Joe Public but a man working on behalf of the public from the Council. Perhaps when people start realising that there are actually consequences to bad behaviour people will stop acting so selfishly and start acting with a bit of consideration for their neighbour!


This is a true & accurate report of what happened! My previous post was removed!
The cyclist is going to be charged with assualt. He was told to slow down. He didn't and then stopped, deliberately turned back gave the guy a load of abuse and deliberately tried to hit him with his bike; twice. Unfortunately, for him this wasn't Joe Public but a man working on behalf of the public from the Council. Perhaps when people start realising that there are actually consequences to bad behaviour people will stop acting so selfishly and start acting with a bit of consideration for their neighbour! This is a true & accurate report of what happened! My previous post was removed! amrob100
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12:01am Sat 27 Jun 09

canfordkid says...

Has anyone suggested having a cycle lane on the prom? that way it would stop pedestrians getting injured! As a cyclist myself I've ridden on the prom many a time but always managed to avoid hitting people by applying a bit of common sense. Unfortunately it is always the minority that spoils it for everyone.
Has anyone suggested having a cycle lane on the prom? that way it would stop pedestrians getting injured! As a cyclist myself I've ridden on the prom many a time but always managed to avoid hitting people by applying a bit of common sense. Unfortunately it is always the minority that spoils it for everyone. canfordkid
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12:05am Sat 27 Jun 09

cyd the squirrel says...

ry8000 wrote:
"cycling buddies" and "only have your own to blame"? What stupid and unhelpful comments. What's with the incitement of this us and them attitude? I wish the local busy bodies, council, and police would put as much effort and conviction into real issues... such as the local problem with drink, drugs, violence, and vandalism. This whole on-going saga is pathetic.
I agree everyone should learn to live together..the action of the council & police is a complete waste of our taxes..as for catching the cyclist entrapment comes to mind,he will only receive a caution if that,if it does get as far as court,it should be thrown out...council/police come on deal with the real issues.

If this cannot be resolved,permits should be issued to those cyclist who want to use the prom ,for a small fee,& i am one of those,any abuse of the speed limit would see the permit being with drawn.Holiday makers wanting to cycle on the prom would need to obtain a permit before using these areas...i agree the beach hut owners do not own the prom,where are they in the winter months when us cyclist are still using the prom,cuddled up in front of the fire reading the "Nimby Echo" ?..come on wake up & smell the coffee ,every one learn to live together..there are worse things in life to get worked up about.


[quote][p][bold]ry8000[/bold] wrote: "cycling buddies" and "only have your own to blame"? What stupid and unhelpful comments. What's with the incitement of this us and them attitude? I wish the local busy bodies, council, and police would put as much effort and conviction into real issues... such as the local problem with drink, drugs, violence, and vandalism. This whole on-going saga is pathetic.[/p][/quote]I agree everyone should learn to live together..the action of the council & police is a complete waste of our taxes..as for catching the cyclist entrapment comes to mind,he will only receive a caution if that,if it does get as far as court,it should be thrown out...council/police come on deal with the real issues. If this cannot be resolved,permits should be issued to those cyclist who want to use the prom ,for a small fee,& i am one of those,any abuse of the speed limit would see the permit being with drawn.Holiday makers wanting to cycle on the prom would need to obtain a permit before using these areas...i agree the beach hut owners do not own the prom,where are they in the winter months when us cyclist are still using the prom,cuddled up in front of the fire reading the "Nimby Echo" ?..come on wake up & smell the coffee ,every one learn to live together..there are worse things in life to get worked up about. cyd the squirrel
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12:10am Sat 27 Jun 09

whatsallthefusabout? says...

any idiot can ride a bike, any idiot can drive a car, any idiot can wield a knife, any idiot can buy a beach hut. ban idiots not cyclist. have any of you been to Amsterdam? and what with the on the spot fines in the high st? i wheeled my bike through the dolphin center the other week(to get to the bike shop) and the cleaner there thretend to break my legs. why cant we all get along. surely we can spot in idiot in the crowd.
any idiot can ride a bike, any idiot can drive a car, any idiot can wield a knife, any idiot can buy a beach hut. ban idiots not cyclist. have any of you been to Amsterdam? and what with the on the spot fines in the high st? i wheeled my bike through the dolphin center the other week(to get to the bike shop) and the cleaner there thretend to break my legs. why cant we all get along. surely we can spot in idiot in the crowd. whatsallthefusabout?
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12:37am Sat 27 Jun 09

whatsallthefusabout? says...

is there a speed limit for that stupid land train?
is there a speed limit for that stupid land train? whatsallthefusabout?
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5:55am Sat 27 Jun 09

boardstiff says...

whatsallthefusabout? wrote:
is there a speed limit for that stupid land train?
I don't know that the land train is stupid. I do question the way it is driven through Boscombe Gardens with an assumption by the drivers that they have complete right of way over anyone and anything else.

[quote][p][bold]whatsallthefusabout?[/bold] wrote: is there a speed limit for that stupid land train?[/p][/quote]I don't know that the land train is stupid. I do question the way it is driven through Boscombe Gardens with an assumption by the drivers that they have complete right of way over anyone and anything else. boardstiff
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6:00am Sat 27 Jun 09

boardstiff says...

Paint cycle lanes on the promenade. The majority of cyclists will respect the system, as will the majority of non cyclists. And those who don't respect the system (cyclists or not) will soon get the message from those who do.

Security word: pair-roll
Paint cycle lanes on the promenade. The majority of cyclists will respect the system, as will the majority of non cyclists. And those who don't respect the system (cyclists or not) will soon get the message from those who do. Security word: pair-roll boardstiff
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6:21am Sat 27 Jun 09

safety first says...

After reading through the comments maybe all those who dont agree with the police being involved can arrange working with the security team One night. when you see the speed cyclist go at you will understand why a crack down is needed. twicw this week I have had to confront Cyclist because of there speed and attitude. One male who I moved out of the way for switched my lights on to side lights to give right of way rode straight at the vehicle and then claimed I drove in his way deliberately.

Very young children can not judge speeds and when a cyclist over took me on the promenade when I was doing 10MPH whilst on a patrol I had to stop him and his ecuse was sorry I didnt know there was a speed limit. so any one of you critics please send me an email address and I will arange for you to work with the security team for one night so you can give an unbiased report.
After reading through the comments maybe all those who dont agree with the police being involved can arrange working with the security team One night. when you see the speed cyclist go at you will understand why a crack down is needed. twicw this week I have had to confront Cyclist because of there speed and attitude. One male who I moved out of the way for switched my lights on to side lights to give right of way rode straight at the vehicle and then claimed I drove in his way deliberately. Very young children can not judge speeds and when a cyclist over took me on the promenade when I was doing 10MPH whilst on a patrol I had to stop him and his ecuse was sorry I didnt know there was a speed limit. so any one of you critics please send me an email address and I will arange for you to work with the security team for one night so you can give an unbiased report. safety first
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7:54am Sat 27 Jun 09

Peggy Babcock says...

rook wrote:
With all the reporting and debate on this recently, it sounds awfully close to entrapment that the random person involved happens to be a council official and there are police on stand-by ready to storm the beach. Unless the cyclist actually rammed the council bloke, it sounds very much like he actually stepped in front of the bike. If I was the bike rider, I'd be rightly p***ed off about this and tell the chap what I thought. When it all comes down to it, the promenade is a road where cars can legally drive at 20mph. If an adult gets hit by any vehicle, they really ought to be looking around and aware of their surroundings. If a child is not able to understand the dangers of running into the road, then the parents need to keep an eye on them. The combined pavement and road along the prom must be 25' wide - surely it should not be difficult to ensure everyone's interests are catered for? There is a pavement along the promenade between the sand and the road. Along this road are cars, bikes, motorbikes and a blue train which people should be aware of. Simples! PS HOW MANY police?
Don't be such a tw@t. The Castleman Trailway is a train trak, built for trains. Does this yean YOU should not walk on it?
[quote][p][bold]rook[/bold] wrote: With all the reporting and debate on this recently, it sounds awfully close to entrapment that the random person involved happens to be a council official and there are police on stand-by ready to storm the beach. Unless the cyclist actually rammed the council bloke, it sounds very much like he actually stepped in front of the bike. If I was the bike rider, I'd be rightly p***ed off about this and tell the chap what I thought. When it all comes down to it, the promenade is a road where cars can legally drive at 20mph. If an adult gets hit by any vehicle, they really ought to be looking around and aware of their surroundings. If a child is not able to understand the dangers of running into the road, then the parents need to keep an eye on them. The combined pavement and road along the prom must be 25' wide - surely it should not be difficult to ensure everyone's interests are catered for? There is a pavement along the promenade between the sand and the road. Along this road are cars, bikes, motorbikes and a blue train which people should be aware of. Simples! PS HOW MANY police?[/p][/quote]Don't be such a tw@t. The Castleman Trailway is a train trak, built for trains. Does this yean YOU should not walk on it? Peggy Babcock
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8:52am Sat 27 Jun 09

weevie says...

'whatsallthefussabou
t' (Poole)has said all that was ever needed here.
We live increasingly in a Country of foul-mouthed, valueless idiots (unlike the rest of Europe). Amongst these are those that those cycle, also.
'whatsallthefussabou t' (Poole)has said all that was ever needed here. We live increasingly in a Country of foul-mouthed, valueless idiots (unlike the rest of Europe). Amongst these are those that those cycle, also. weevie
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9:47am Sat 27 Jun 09

Bournehammer68 says...

safety first wrote:
After reading through the comments maybe all those who dont agree with the police being involved can arrange working with the security team One night. when you see the speed cyclist go at you will understand why a crack down is needed. twicw this week I have had to confront Cyclist because of there speed and attitude. One male who I moved out of the way for switched my lights on to side lights to give right of way rode straight at the vehicle and then claimed I drove in his way deliberately. Very young children can not judge speeds and when a cyclist over took me on the promenade when I was doing 10MPH whilst on a patrol I had to stop him and his ecuse was sorry I didnt know there was a speed limit. so any one of you critics please send me an email address and I will arange for you to work with the security team for one night so you can give an unbiased report.
I am assuming then that you had a speed camera with you at both times Safety?
If not how can you ascertain the speed at which the cyclasit was travelling?
"ooh it was very fast" isn't good enough, nor is relying on your "patrol vehicle's" speedo.
could you tell me the last time this was calibrated to allow you to accurately record speeds?
of course you can't you're talking rot!
[quote][p][bold]safety first[/bold] wrote: After reading through the comments maybe all those who dont agree with the police being involved can arrange working with the security team One night. when you see the speed cyclist go at you will understand why a crack down is needed. twicw this week I have had to confront Cyclist because of there speed and attitude. One male who I moved out of the way for switched my lights on to side lights to give right of way rode straight at the vehicle and then claimed I drove in his way deliberately. Very young children can not judge speeds and when a cyclist over took me on the promenade when I was doing 10MPH whilst on a patrol I had to stop him and his ecuse was sorry I didnt know there was a speed limit. so any one of you critics please send me an email address and I will arange for you to work with the security team for one night so you can give an unbiased report.[/p][/quote]I am assuming then that you had a speed camera with you at both times Safety? If not how can you ascertain the speed at which the cyclasit was travelling? "ooh it was very fast" isn't good enough, nor is relying on your "patrol vehicle's" speedo. could you tell me the last time this was calibrated to allow you to accurately record speeds? of course you can't you're talking rot! Bournehammer68
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12:53pm Sat 27 Jun 09

Invisible says...

safety first wrote:
After reading through the comments maybe all those who dont agree with the police being involved can arrange working with the security team One night. when you see the speed cyclist go at you will understand why a crack down is needed. twicw this week I have had to confront Cyclist because of there speed and attitude. One male who I moved out of the way for switched my lights on to side lights to give right of way rode straight at the vehicle and then claimed I drove in his way deliberately.

Very young children can not judge speeds and when a cyclist over took me on the promenade when I was doing 10MPH whilst on a patrol I had to stop him and his ecuse was sorry I didnt know there was a speed limit. so any one of you critics please send me an email address and I will arange for you to work with the security team for one night so you can give an unbiased report.
Not sure anyone is actually claiming the police shouldn't have been involved. However, one police van, three cars and two female officers on bikes as reported by the Echo, sounds way OTT. Another point which has been made is, if this had been a member of Joe Public and not a man from the Council, would the police have even bothered to attend? Others think not and so does this individual.
[quote][p][bold]safety first[/bold] wrote: After reading through the comments maybe all those who dont agree with the police being involved can arrange working with the security team One night. when you see the speed cyclist go at you will understand why a crack down is needed. twicw this week I have had to confront Cyclist because of there speed and attitude. One male who I moved out of the way for switched my lights on to side lights to give right of way rode straight at the vehicle and then claimed I drove in his way deliberately. Very young children can not judge speeds and when a cyclist over took me on the promenade when I was doing 10MPH whilst on a patrol I had to stop him and his ecuse was sorry I didnt know there was a speed limit. so any one of you critics please send me an email address and I will arange for you to work with the security team for one night so you can give an unbiased report.[/p][/quote]Not sure anyone is actually claiming the police shouldn't have been involved. However, one police van, three cars and two female officers on bikes as reported by the Echo, sounds way OTT. Another point which has been made is, if this had been a member of Joe Public and not a man from the Council, would the police have even bothered to attend? Others think not and so does this individual. Invisible
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3:04pm Sat 27 Jun 09

whatsallthefusabout? says...

safty first, your inviting people to come and patrole the area with you at night. correct me if im wrong but arnt the restrictions on cycling during the daytime when the beach is busy. why would you need to patrol at night? or are you just trying to justify your job
safty first, your inviting people to come and patrole the area with you at night. correct me if im wrong but arnt the restrictions on cycling during the daytime when the beach is busy. why would you need to patrol at night? or are you just trying to justify your job whatsallthefusabout?
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5:22pm Sat 27 Jun 09

rook says...

Peggy Babcock wrote:
rook wrote:
With all the reporting and debate on this recently, it sounds awfully close to entrapment that the random person involved happens to be a council official and there are police on stand-by ready to storm the beach. Unless the cyclist actually rammed the council bloke, it sounds very much like he actually stepped in front of the bike. If I was the bike rider, I'd be rightly p***ed off about this and tell the chap what I thought. When it all comes down to it, the promenade is a road where cars can legally drive at 20mph. If an adult gets hit by any vehicle, they really ought to be looking around and aware of their surroundings. If a child is not able to understand the dangers of running into the road, then the parents need to keep an eye on them. The combined pavement and road along the prom must be 25' wide - surely it should not be difficult to ensure everyone's interests are catered for? There is a pavement along the promenade between the sand and the road. Along this road are cars, bikes, motorbikes and a blue train which people should be aware of. Simples! PS HOW MANY police?
Don't be such a tw@t. The Castleman Trailway is a train trak, built for trains. Does this yean YOU should not walk on it?
Peggy, please re-read and feel free to apologise! I was agreeing with what you said while suggesting that there should be an easy solution to cater for all users!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rook[/bold] wrote: With all the reporting and debate on this recently, it sounds awfully close to entrapment that the random person involved happens to be a council official and there are police on stand-by ready to storm the beach. Unless the cyclist actually rammed the council bloke, it sounds very much like he actually stepped in front of the bike. If I was the bike rider, I'd be rightly p***ed off about this and tell the chap what I thought. When it all comes down to it, the promenade is a road where cars can legally drive at 20mph. If an adult gets hit by any vehicle, they really ought to be looking around and aware of their surroundings. If a child is not able to understand the dangers of running into the road, then the parents need to keep an eye on them. The combined pavement and road along the prom must be 25' wide - surely it should not be difficult to ensure everyone's interests are catered for? There is a pavement along the promenade between the sand and the road. Along this road are cars, bikes, motorbikes and a blue train which people should be aware of. Simples! PS HOW MANY police?[/p][/quote]Don't be such a tw@t. The Castleman Trailway is a train trak, built for trains. Does this yean YOU should not walk on it?[/p][/quote]Peggy, please re-read and feel free to apologise! I was agreeing with what you said while suggesting that there should be an easy solution to cater for all users!!!! rook
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7:47pm Sat 27 Jun 09

safety first says...

Just so that you know the estimated amount of people using the beach between 19:00-20:00 between the haven hotel and Alum chine Bournemouth, Poole border was about 1000 including children OAPs. Those numbers do not include Bournemouth Beaches. But judging by the comments posted by a few anti-police and other agencies people. This situation isn’t about people’s safety is it? just a few individuals who like to cause problems for those who seek a safe environment. As for justifying my job perhaps you might want to ask the woman who was found alone after being left by her friends on the beach at 05:00 this morning and near to Hypothermia and very drunk if we are doing a worth while job? The reason for the Security on the beaches at night is because of the violence, crime and anti social behaviour not just by teenagers but adults as well if not even more by adults. Maybe those who criticize the authorities need to get out there and view and experience the jobs we have to do. face the violence the fires the anti social behaviour instead of sitting at home writing their none proven facts. in other words get out and get a job!
Just so that you know the estimated amount of people using the beach between 19:00-20:00 between the haven hotel and Alum chine Bournemouth, Poole border was about 1000 including children OAPs. Those numbers do not include Bournemouth Beaches. But judging by the comments posted by a few anti-police and other agencies people. This situation isn’t about people’s safety is it? just a few individuals who like to cause problems for those who seek a safe environment. As for justifying my job perhaps you might want to ask the woman who was found alone after being left by her friends on the beach at 05:00 this morning and near to Hypothermia and very drunk if we are doing a worth while job? The reason for the Security on the beaches at night is because of the violence, crime and anti social behaviour not just by teenagers but adults as well if not even more by adults. Maybe those who criticize the authorities need to get out there and view and experience the jobs we have to do. face the violence the fires the anti social behaviour instead of sitting at home writing their none proven facts. in other words get out and get a job! safety first
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9:52pm Sat 27 Jun 09

anderton says...

Safety First,ignore the moaners they know nothing but like to have a go at everything.
Safety First,ignore the moaners they know nothing but like to have a go at everything. anderton
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9:54pm Sat 27 Jun 09

whatsallthefusabout? says...

err i have a great job thanks, violence crime and anti social behavior is for the the police to deal with but there obvioulsly wasting time aresting people just trying to get from A to B. if someone is irresponsable enough to get so wasted to not be able to get home or dont have friends that will help them then its not the tax payer that should be paying for the bill to pick them up and sort them out. i pay well over £100 in tax every week i dont think it should be spent on a taxi service for **** people.
err i have a great job thanks, violence crime and anti social behavior is for the the police to deal with but there obvioulsly wasting time aresting people just trying to get from A to B. if someone is irresponsable enough to get so wasted to not be able to get home or dont have friends that will help them then its not the tax payer that should be paying for the bill to pick them up and sort them out. i pay well over £100 in tax every week i dont think it should be spent on a taxi service for **** people. whatsallthefusabout?
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9:54pm Sat 27 Jun 09

whatsallthefusabout? says...

err i have a great job thanks, violence crime and anti social behavior is for the the police to deal with but there obvioulsly wasting time aresting people just trying to get from A to B. if someone is irresponsable enough to get so wasted to not be able to get home or dont have friends that will help them then its not the tax payer that should be paying for the bill to pick them up and sort them out. i pay well over £100 in tax every week i dont think it should be spent on a taxi service for **** people.
err i have a great job thanks, violence crime and anti social behavior is for the the police to deal with but there obvioulsly wasting time aresting people just trying to get from A to B. if someone is irresponsable enough to get so wasted to not be able to get home or dont have friends that will help them then its not the tax payer that should be paying for the bill to pick them up and sort them out. i pay well over £100 in tax every week i dont think it should be spent on a taxi service for **** people. whatsallthefusabout?
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11:13pm Sat 27 Jun 09

Nick2 says...

Are you really all so stupid as to believe this scandal rag?

The story is NOT about cycling. IT WAS ABOUT AN ASSAULT!

So, all those who think that the coppers should not turn up for an ASSAULT hands up here please!


My God, there is more intelligence in a pond of primordial slime…..
Are you really all so stupid as to believe this scandal rag? The story is NOT about cycling. IT WAS ABOUT AN ASSAULT! So, all those who think that the coppers should not turn up for an ASSAULT hands up here please! My God, there is more intelligence in a pond of primordial slime….. Nick2
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5:50am Sun 28 Jun 09

safety first says...

yes dealing with assaults is for the police but can I remind you that when someone set fire to three beach huts last week people just stood around and watched. whats more some of these beach huts contain gas bottles for the stoves at which there should be a 200 meter cordon if they are suspected to be in beach huts. the security teams where called to other acts of anti social behaviour by people who have businesses along the beach front. remember What SIA licenced Security staff are trained to do which is, to try and defuse situations and try not to get the police involved. But sometimes we have to call the police when narrow minded drunks decide that they will not listen to someone who is trying to help them,Like some of you people who have been writing your little one sided comments. What you fail to realise is that by having security teams down there we are trying to save your tax payers money being wasted by not having to call the police out everytime. but lets all beg to differ on this issue in what ever way we want all I know is that who are cyclist and (I am one myself) going to call if they get knocked off their bikes by motorists well its not ghost busters is it? yes maybe an ambulance first then the police so remember what goes around comes around. I f this guy assaulted thi man whether he works for the council has no relevence what so ever the fact was he assaulted him and thats a fact. if they had run over a member of your family what would you like done? answers on a post card please!
yes dealing with assaults is for the police but can I remind you that when someone set fire to three beach huts last week people just stood around and watched. whats more some of these beach huts contain gas bottles for the stoves at which there should be a 200 meter cordon if they are suspected to be in beach huts. the security teams where called to other acts of anti social behaviour by people who have businesses along the beach front. remember What SIA licenced Security staff are trained to do which is, to try and defuse situations and try not to get the police involved. But sometimes we have to call the police when narrow minded drunks decide that they will not listen to someone who is trying to help them,Like some of you people who have been writing your little one sided comments. What you fail to realise is that by having security teams down there we are trying to save your tax payers money being wasted by not having to call the police out everytime. but lets all beg to differ on this issue in what ever way we want all I know is that who are cyclist and (I am one myself) going to call if they get knocked off their bikes by motorists well its not ghost busters is it? yes maybe an ambulance first then the police so remember what goes around comes around. I f this guy assaulted thi man whether he works for the council has no relevence what so ever the fact was he assaulted him and thats a fact. if they had run over a member of your family what would you like done? answers on a post card please! safety first
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9:34am Sun 28 Jun 09

rook says...

Ignoring all the pro-cycling, anti-cycling, security, and plain ridiculous comments on this thread, what would be really interesting would be to know the facts of the original story.

What happened? Who started the incident? Did the council chap actually step in front of the cyclist, and if there was an assault, who did what?

Just guessing from the description of the incident, did the council officer try to stop the cyclist by getting in his way, resulting in some kind of altercation? It's a fascinating article, but are there any facts available to the public?
Ignoring all the pro-cycling, anti-cycling, security, and plain ridiculous comments on this thread, what would be really interesting would be to know the facts of the original story. What happened? Who started the incident? Did the council chap actually step in front of the cyclist, and if there was an assault, who did what? Just guessing from the description of the incident, did the council officer try to stop the cyclist by getting in his way, resulting in some kind of altercation? It's a fascinating article, but are there any facts available to the public? rook
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10:36am Sun 28 Jun 09

amrob100 says...

My post from Fri had to be removed as the cyclist has been charged with assault - cant have us influencing the outcome should it go to court.
My post from Fri had to be removed as the cyclist has been charged with assault - cant have us influencing the outcome should it go to court. amrob100
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2:24pm Sun 28 Jun 09

cooperman says...

mark0peters wrote:
Isle of white becomes Pensioner Island:

Move all the Oaps to the isle of white for there personal saftey.

They should simply empty the isle of white of people and make it into a beautiful retirement island and flats on the isle of white and allow the population of Oaps to live there as one big retirement island.

They would be safe and happy - and the millions of empty houses would be sold to young families to pay for it:)
Oh Goodness NO !!! the smell of urine along the south coast would be overwhelming !!!!
[quote][p][bold]mark0peters[/bold] wrote: Isle of white becomes Pensioner Island: Move all the Oaps to the isle of white for there personal saftey. They should simply empty the isle of white of people and make it into a beautiful retirement island and flats on the isle of white and allow the population of Oaps to live there as one big retirement island. They would be safe and happy - and the millions of empty houses would be sold to young families to pay for it:)[/p][/quote]Oh Goodness NO !!! the smell of urine along the south coast would be overwhelming !!!! cooperman
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12:25am Sat 25 Jul 09

critical_mass_bournemouth says...

The blanket ban removes the only safe way of travelling Bournemouth-Sandbank
s.
As a result the cycling community must take radical action against this ridiculous ban - a fully segregated lane would have been the better option with fines for both cyclists and pedestrians in the wrong place.
Challenge any and everyone who is operating a wheeled vehicle on the seafront during the hours of the blanket ban. If they continue then walk in their path hindering their progress. This includes those racing around on their mobility scooters, bin wagons, maintainance wagons, the road train and mobility scooters.
On top of this cyclists travelling on road that wouldn't have been had the ban not been in place should take the full road lane and cycle at the prom speed limit - 10mph.
Once these actions are in place and the cyclist's problem becomes everyones problem, something will be done.
Motorists will soon be whining about driving 10mph behind cyclists flooding onto the roads once the blanket ban comes into hours at 10am.
The blanket ban removes the only safe way of travelling Bournemouth-Sandbank s. As a result the cycling community must take radical action against this ridiculous ban - a fully segregated lane would have been the better option with fines for both cyclists and pedestrians in the wrong place. Challenge any and everyone who is operating a wheeled vehicle on the seafront during the hours of the blanket ban. If they continue then walk in their path hindering their progress. This includes those racing around on their mobility scooters, bin wagons, maintainance wagons, the road train and mobility scooters. On top of this cyclists travelling on road that wouldn't have been had the ban not been in place should take the full road lane and cycle at the prom speed limit - 10mph. Once these actions are in place and the cyclist's problem becomes everyones problem, something will be done. Motorists will soon be whining about driving 10mph behind cyclists flooding onto the roads once the blanket ban comes into hours at 10am. critical_mass_bournemouth
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