Cyclist slams into surfer girl on Branksome Chine prom

WAVE OF PROTEST: Scarlett Pledger, nine, from Parkstone, was knocked down by a speeding cyclist at Branksome Chine, but escaped serious injury thanks to her bodyboard

WAVE OF PROTEST: Scarlett Pledger, nine, from Parkstone, was knocked down by a speeding cyclist at Branksome Chine, but escaped serious injury thanks to her bodyboard

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A CONCERNED mum has called for tougher curbs on seafront cycling after her daughter was mowed down by a bike.

Scarlett Pledger, nine, from Parkstone, suffered cuts and bruises when the male cyclist piled into her as she washed her bucket and spade under a tap at Branksome Chine.

Mum Lisa said Scarlett was only saved from more serious injuries by the bodyboard she was carrying, which took the brunt of the impact.

“She went over the top of the bike and the cyclist landed on top of her,” said Lisa.

“He came from nowhere.

“If he hadn’t hit the board first it would have been terrible.”

She was brave and very lucky

Scarlett's mum Lisa

Scarlett had been playing on the beach with family and friends when the incident occurred around 3.45pm on Sunday, June 14.

She was treated for cuts to her legs, arms and back by lifeguards but thankfully did not require hospital treatment.

“She was brave and very lucky,” said Lisa.

“A younger girl wouldn’t have stood a chance.”

Earlier this month Bournemouth council revealed it would be targeting speeding cyclists with random checks on the promenade.

The seafront speed limit is currently 10mph, while cycling on the prom is banned completely during the day in July and August.

But while Lisa backed the clampdown, she has also called for the ban to be lengthened.

She said: “I think it needs to be enforced from May.

“It’s already hot now and there are a lot of people around.

"A cycle lane would also be an option.”

Clive Smith, head of leisure services at Poole council, urged cyclists to use the prom safely and responsibly.

He said: “Our beaches are really popular, especially at this time of year, and we want to ensure the promenade is a safe place for everyone.”

• See the link below for CCTV footage of an accident last September

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7:32pm Tue 23 Jun 09

godzillareturns says...

this comes as no surprise to me as I have to avoid bikes on the pavement all the time on my walk to work. Only yesterday at bournemouth sea front when we were gathering together for the race for life cyclist were trying ride between us. I appreciate that it is a good form of transport and it can be dangerous to use the roads but after all the pavement is meant for pedestrians and we should not have to move out of the way of bikes. A few weeks ago i was narrowly missed by a girl on a bike as I rounded a corner and I have also seen lots of cylcist riding very fast along the promenade. If you have to ride where ther are people at least slow down
this comes as no surprise to me as I have to avoid bikes on the pavement all the time on my walk to work. Only yesterday at bournemouth sea front when we were gathering together for the race for life cyclist were trying ride between us. I appreciate that it is a good form of transport and it can be dangerous to use the roads but after all the pavement is meant for pedestrians and we should not have to move out of the way of bikes. A few weeks ago i was narrowly missed by a girl on a bike as I rounded a corner and I have also seen lots of cylcist riding very fast along the promenade. If you have to ride where ther are people at least slow down godzillareturns
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8:23pm Tue 23 Jun 09

bex1984 says...

I ride a bike and it annoys me because a)how do i know how fast im cycling!!!! b) when i do cycle slowely along the beach front kids tend to just run across in front of me without looking! maybe teach children to look where they are going!!!! c) its a wide space and a cycle lane is a good idea BUT i've seen people walk in cycle lanes before so dont blame cyclists all the time! d) pedestrians and cyclists shoudl be aware of each other and give way to each other and be aware.
I ride a bike and it annoys me because a)how do i know how fast im cycling!!!! b) when i do cycle slowely along the beach front kids tend to just run across in front of me without looking! maybe teach children to look where they are going!!!! c) its a wide space and a cycle lane is a good idea BUT i've seen people walk in cycle lanes before so dont blame cyclists all the time! d) pedestrians and cyclists shoudl be aware of each other and give way to each other and be aware. bex1984
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8:35pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Peggy Babcock says...

She was brave and very luckyblah, blah, blah. A total one sided story.

1. How fast was the cyclist going?
2. Did the girl suddenly change direction and run into the path of the cyclist?
3. Speed limits for cyclists are 100% non enforcable
4. 'enforce the ban from May'? Rubbish. My whole argument is to rtestrict cycling when its busy, and allow when it's not, no matter what time of year.

I just wish the Echo publish a cyclists side of the issue.
She was brave and very luckyblah, blah, blah. A total one sided story. 1. How fast was the cyclist going? 2. Did the girl suddenly change direction and run into the path of the cyclist? 3. Speed limits for cyclists are 100% non enforcable 4. 'enforce the ban from May'? Rubbish. My whole argument is to rtestrict cycling when its busy, and allow when it's not, no matter what time of year. I just wish the Echo publish a cyclists side of the issue. Peggy Babcock
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8:38pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Xchurch-man says...

Time that all cyclists were REQUIRED to have insurance when riding in any public place.
These things can easily travel at 30 Mph and can kill a small child just as easily as other forms of transport which are legally required to hold third party insurance.
Many riders also feel that as they don't have an engine, the highway code does not apply to them as it does to motorists.
I am all for people using push bikes, but they should not be exempt to the laws of the road.
Time that all cyclists were REQUIRED to have insurance when riding in any public place. These things can easily travel at 30 Mph and can kill a small child just as easily as other forms of transport which are legally required to hold third party insurance. Many riders also feel that as they don't have an engine, the highway code does not apply to them as it does to motorists. I am all for people using push bikes, but they should not be exempt to the laws of the road. Xchurch-man
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8:51pm Tue 23 Jun 09

twynham says...

I love cycling along the prom but bex1984 you are completely wrong, children are at the beach and not aware they have to look out for cyclists, it is our responsibility as cyclists to look out for THEM.
It is a promenade, a paved path or terrace along a seafront for people to walk.
I remember the years when we were not allowed to cycle on the prom and how frustrating it was trying to convince the council that cyclists would ride in a responsible manner.
The cyclist is a guest on the prom and at all times should be aware that people enjoying a day at the sea side are not necessarily aware that it is a joint pedestrian & cycle route.
Only common sense really!
I love cycling along the prom but bex1984 you are completely wrong, children are at the beach and not aware they have to look out for cyclists, it is our responsibility as cyclists to look out for THEM. It is a promenade, a paved path or terrace along a seafront for people to walk. I remember the years when we were not allowed to cycle on the prom and how frustrating it was trying to convince the council that cyclists would ride in a responsible manner. The cyclist is a guest on the prom and at all times should be aware that people enjoying a day at the sea side are not necessarily aware that it is a joint pedestrian & cycle route. Only common sense really! twynham
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8:51pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Xchurch-man says...

Peggy Babcock wrote:
She was brave and very luckyblah, blah, blah. A total one sided story. 1. How fast was the cyclist going? 2. Did the girl suddenly change direction and run into the path of the cyclist? 3. Speed limits for cyclists are 100% non enforcable 4. 'enforce the ban from May'? Rubbish. My whole argument is to rtestrict cycling when its busy, and allow when it's not, no matter what time of year. I just wish the Echo publish a cyclists side of the issue.
She was washing her bucket at a tap, so in the unlikely event that it changed direction and ran into the path of the cyclist with her, it looks like your beloved cycling compatriot was fair and square to blame.

"3. Speed limits for cyclists are 100% non enforcable"

I would imagine that the person riding the bike also shared your selfish and dangerous view.

Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!!
[quote][p][bold]Peggy Babcock[/bold] wrote: She was brave and very luckyblah, blah, blah. A total one sided story. 1. How fast was the cyclist going? 2. Did the girl suddenly change direction and run into the path of the cyclist? 3. Speed limits for cyclists are 100% non enforcable 4. 'enforce the ban from May'? Rubbish. My whole argument is to rtestrict cycling when its busy, and allow when it's not, no matter what time of year. I just wish the Echo publish a cyclists side of the issue.[/p][/quote]She was washing her bucket at a tap, so in the unlikely event that it changed direction and ran into the path of the cyclist with her, it looks like your beloved cycling compatriot was fair and square to blame. "3. Speed limits for cyclists are 100% non enforcable" I would imagine that the person riding the bike also shared your selfish and dangerous view. Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!! Xchurch-man
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9:01pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Lord Spring says...

After spending a couple of days at the beach what amazes me that between the two piers cyclist ride on the pavement and not in road. What would happen to them if my walking stick got stuck in their spokes . I know riding in the road would not have avoided a similar incident to the reported accident.

And when are prosecutions going to take place in Wimbourne Road by the Cemetery where cycle lanes have been installed at rate payers expense and yet the pavement is still ridden on .
After spending a couple of days at the beach what amazes me that between the two piers cyclist ride on the pavement and not in road. What would happen to them if my walking stick got stuck in their spokes . I know riding in the road would not have avoided a similar incident to the reported accident. And when are prosecutions going to take place in Wimbourne Road by the Cemetery where cycle lanes have been installed at rate payers expense and yet the pavement is still ridden on . Lord Spring
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9:03pm Tue 23 Jun 09

grumps999 says...

Peggy Babcock, Poole says...
8:35pm Tue 23 Jun 09
She was brave and very luckyblah, blah, blah. A total one sided story.
I totaly agree,but i also agre with Xhurch-man cyclist should be insured.

Peggy Babcock, Poole says... 8:35pm Tue 23 Jun 09 She was brave and very luckyblah, blah, blah. A total one sided story. I totaly agree,but i also agre with Xhurch-man cyclist should be insured. grumps999
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9:06pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Blackroady says...

What a load of rubbish. How many people & how many cyclists use the prom each day? The result is a non-injury - wow ! - stunning ! You can get cuts & bruises from just playing on the beach! I really dont think this is newsworthy. How many runners do more than 10mph ? How many poeple walk into each other ? Who knows -but just carry on ripping into cyclists as easy targets, & as for insurance - get real! its not possible / legal to enforce a speed limit' let alone insurance. What next an MOT,Tax & Licence ?
What a load of rubbish. How many people & how many cyclists use the prom each day? The result is a non-injury - wow ! - stunning ! You can get cuts & bruises from just playing on the beach! I really dont think this is newsworthy. How many runners do more than 10mph ? How many poeple walk into each other ? Who knows -but just carry on ripping into cyclists as easy targets, & as for insurance - get real! its not possible / legal to enforce a speed limit' let alone insurance. What next an MOT,Tax & Licence ? Blackroady
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9:08pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Glashen says...

twynham wrote:
I love cycling along the prom but bex1984 you are completely wrong, children are at the beach and not aware they have to look out for cyclists, it is our responsibility as cyclists to look out for THEM.
It is a promenade, a paved path or terrace along a seafront for people to walk.
I remember the years when we were not allowed to cycle on the prom and how frustrating it was trying to convince the council that cyclists would ride in a responsible manner.
The cyclist is a guest on the prom and at all times should be aware that people enjoying a day at the sea side are not necessarily aware that it is a joint pedestrian & cycle route.
Only common sense really!
I agree with this, if you are cycling where there are pedestrians it is your responsibility to ensure they are not inconvenienced, If people are in front of me and I can't cycle past safely I dismount. The answer must be stricter penalties for cyclists who abuse the privilege, but please don't ban the majority because of a few idiots. Sadly there will always be some and they would probably still cycle on the promenade even if there was a total ban so that wouldn't solve the problem.
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: I love cycling along the prom but bex1984 you are completely wrong, children are at the beach and not aware they have to look out for cyclists, it is our responsibility as cyclists to look out for THEM. It is a promenade, a paved path or terrace along a seafront for people to walk. I remember the years when we were not allowed to cycle on the prom and how frustrating it was trying to convince the council that cyclists would ride in a responsible manner. The cyclist is a guest on the prom and at all times should be aware that people enjoying a day at the sea side are not necessarily aware that it is a joint pedestrian & cycle route. Only common sense really! [/p][/quote]I agree with this, if you are cycling where there are pedestrians it is your responsibility to ensure they are not inconvenienced, If people are in front of me and I can't cycle past safely I dismount. The answer must be stricter penalties for cyclists who abuse the privilege, but please don't ban the majority because of a few idiots. Sadly there will always be some and they would probably still cycle on the promenade even if there was a total ban so that wouldn't solve the problem. Glashen
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9:33pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Sir Alan says...

Blackroady wrote:
What a load of rubbish. How many people & how many cyclists use the prom each day? The result is a non-injury - wow ! - stunning ! You can get cuts & bruises from just playing on the beach! I really dont think this is newsworthy. How many runners do more than 10mph ? How many poeple walk into each other ? Who knows -but just carry on ripping into cyclists as easy targets, & as for insurance - get real! its not possible / legal to enforce a speed limit' let alone insurance. What next an MOT,Tax & Licence ?
the answer is ban all bikes from the prom , that will solve the problem, and fine any persons breaking the rule with a £3000 fine and confiscation of there bikes, you would not see many on them on the prom then
[quote][p][bold]Blackroady[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish. How many people & how many cyclists use the prom each day? The result is a non-injury - wow ! - stunning ! You can get cuts & bruises from just playing on the beach! I really dont think this is newsworthy. How many runners do more than 10mph ? How many poeple walk into each other ? Who knows -but just carry on ripping into cyclists as easy targets, & as for insurance - get real! its not possible / legal to enforce a speed limit' let alone insurance. What next an MOT,Tax & Licence ?[/p][/quote]the answer is ban all bikes from the prom , that will solve the problem, and fine any persons breaking the rule with a £3000 fine and confiscation of there bikes, you would not see many on them on the prom then Sir Alan
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9:34pm Tue 23 Jun 09

yourbard says...

I'm a regular early-morning promenade cyclist and have young daughters whi I walk along the prom with so I take a balanced view about this issue.
What we're not hearing about are the inconsiderate, bone-headed, pig-ignorant, self-righteous dog-owners who blatantly flaunt the dog-fouling laws and consider that lead-wearing is for other dogs, not theirs, and consider it one of the hazards of cycling when their darling animal forces someone off their bike.
Let's all just be aware of each other - there's enough room for everyone to enjoy our great local environment.
I'm a regular early-morning promenade cyclist and have young daughters whi I walk along the prom with so I take a balanced view about this issue. What we're not hearing about are the inconsiderate, bone-headed, pig-ignorant, self-righteous dog-owners who blatantly flaunt the dog-fouling laws and consider that lead-wearing is for other dogs, not theirs, and consider it one of the hazards of cycling when their darling animal forces someone off their bike. Let's all just be aware of each other - there's enough room for everyone to enjoy our great local environment. yourbard
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9:41pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Invisible says...

Yet another juicy Echo exclusive; that only prints a very one sided and biased point of view...

However there are no excuses for cyclists NOT to observe the 10 MPH limit along the promenade: a cycle computer needn't cost an arm and a leg and is simple to fit.

I was cycling between Boscombe and Southbourne the other night and had two idiots whizz past me at a ridiculous speed. It is they who give us all a bad name - just like those lunatic pavement cyclists do.

Unfortunately if cyclists refuse to behave and observe the speed limit, the privilege of cycling along the prom will be subject to even more restrictions; or withdrawn altogether. Especially if there are anymore accidents like this one - doesn't matter who's at fault.

Unfortunately, cycle lanes won't work in this area, as pedestrians would blunder into them anyway - just as they do wherever clearly marked cycle lanes and pedestrian walkways are sited...
Yet another juicy Echo exclusive; that only prints a very one sided and biased point of view... However there are no excuses for cyclists NOT to observe the 10 MPH limit along the promenade: a cycle computer needn't cost an arm and a leg and is simple to fit. I was cycling between Boscombe and Southbourne the other night and had two idiots whizz past me at a ridiculous speed. It is they who give us all a bad name - just like those lunatic pavement cyclists do. Unfortunately if cyclists refuse to behave and observe the speed limit, the privilege of cycling along the prom will be subject to even more restrictions; or withdrawn altogether. Especially if there are anymore accidents like this one - doesn't matter who's at fault. Unfortunately, cycle lanes won't work in this area, as pedestrians would blunder into them anyway - just as they do wherever clearly marked cycle lanes and pedestrian walkways are sited... Invisible
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9:49pm Tue 23 Jun 09

poolebabe says...

She was brave and very luckyWhy doesn't anyone take into consideration ALL the "dangers" of the prom? Bin wagons, maintainance wagons and mobility scooters (to name a few)are traveling on the prom also. The prom is NOT a playground. Forget the cycles, there are plenty of other dangers to look out for and I do feel it's a two way street. Yes the cyclist should absolutely look out for any pedestrian, especially children, and it's their responsability if they mess up 100%, but parents should supervise their young in any heavily populated area, especially one that allows many forms of transport, not least bikes. What annoys me about this story, is the fact that we don't know all the details. Was the cyclist speeding? We don't know. There are a few rules I think would be sensible as they are for cars. All cyclists are not to blame. As usual, the minority of incidents ruin it for the majority yet again as this will be a nail in the coffin incident, and stories like this only fuel the anti-cycle brigade. I am a cyclist on the prom from time to time, but am not a criminal, but made to feel like one sometimes because I ride a bike. The minority of bad cyclists will ruin it for everyone. That makes me mad as hell as all I am trying to do is keep fit whilst enjoying the luxury of the beach that I pay my taxes to keep and use. The answer is that everyone thinks about other people and not just themselves and had that little bit more awareness, and we wouldn't have a problem.
She was brave and very luckyWhy doesn't anyone take into consideration ALL the "dangers" of the prom? Bin wagons, maintainance wagons and mobility scooters (to name a few)are traveling on the prom also. The prom is NOT a playground. Forget the cycles, there are plenty of other dangers to look out for and I do feel it's a two way street. Yes the cyclist should absolutely look out for any pedestrian, especially children, and it's their responsability if they mess up 100%, but parents should supervise their young in any heavily populated area, especially one that allows many forms of transport, not least bikes. What annoys me about this story, is the fact that we don't know all the details. Was the cyclist speeding? We don't know. There are a few rules I think would be sensible as they are for cars. All cyclists are not to blame. As usual, the minority of incidents ruin it for the majority yet again as this will be a nail in the coffin incident, and stories like this only fuel the anti-cycle brigade. I am a cyclist on the prom from time to time, but am not a criminal, but made to feel like one sometimes because I ride a bike. The minority of bad cyclists will ruin it for everyone. That makes me mad as hell as all I am trying to do is keep fit whilst enjoying the luxury of the beach that I pay my taxes to keep and use. The answer is that everyone thinks about other people and not just themselves and had that little bit more awareness, and we wouldn't have a problem. poolebabe
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9:55pm Tue 23 Jun 09

poolebabe says...

Oh and just to say, I agree that cycle computers do NOT cost much and are easy to fit. It's not THAT hard to make sure you observe the limit. If you don't have one then you should ride with even more caution and slow right down. You don't have to ride like a bat out of hell. What a waste of a bike ride in such a lovely area.
Oh and just to say, I agree that cycle computers do NOT cost much and are easy to fit. It's not THAT hard to make sure you observe the limit. If you don't have one then you should ride with even more caution and slow right down. You don't have to ride like a bat out of hell. What a waste of a bike ride in such a lovely area. poolebabe
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10:32pm Tue 23 Jun 09

thesyrup1 says...

Sir Alan wrote:
Blackroady wrote: What a load of rubbish. How many people & how many cyclists use the prom each day? The result is a non-injury - wow ! - stunning ! You can get cuts & bruises from just playing on the beach! I really dont think this is newsworthy. How many runners do more than 10mph ? How many poeple walk into each other ? Who knows -but just carry on ripping into cyclists as easy targets, & as for insurance - get real! its not possible / legal to enforce a speed limit' let alone insurance. What next an MOT,Tax & Licence ?
the answer is ban all bikes from the prom , that will solve the problem, and fine any persons breaking the rule with a £3000 fine and confiscation of there bikes, you would not see many on them on the prom then
Whats the weather like in your part of Russia Sir Alan?
[quote][p][bold]Sir Alan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackroady[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish. How many people & how many cyclists use the prom each day? The result is a non-injury - wow ! - stunning ! You can get cuts & bruises from just playing on the beach! I really dont think this is newsworthy. How many runners do more than 10mph ? How many poeple walk into each other ? Who knows -but just carry on ripping into cyclists as easy targets, & as for insurance - get real! its not possible / legal to enforce a speed limit' let alone insurance. What next an MOT,Tax & Licence ?[/p][/quote]the answer is ban all bikes from the prom , that will solve the problem, and fine any persons breaking the rule with a £3000 fine and confiscation of there bikes, you would not see many on them on the prom then[/p][/quote]Whats the weather like in your part of Russia Sir Alan? thesyrup1
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10:49pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Nick2 says...

poolebabe, poole says...
9:49pm Tue 23 Jun 09
…Why doesn't anyone take into consideration ALL the "dangers" of the prom? Bin wagons, maintainance wagons and mobility scooters (to name a few)are traveling on the prom also….

I agree, but they do have flashing lights and make a noise.
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yourbard, Westbourne says...
9:34pm Tue 23 Jun 09

…What we're not hearing about are the inconsiderate, bone-headed, pig-ignorant, self-righteous dog-owners who blatantly flaunt the dog-fouling laws and consider that lead-wearing is for other dogs, not theirs,…..

Oh, and there was me thinking it was about inconsiderate cyclists…
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Peggy Babcock, Poole says...
8:35pm Tue 23 Jun 09.
……….Did the girl suddenly change direction and run into the path of the cyclist?........

bex1984, poole says...
8:23pm Tue 23 Jun 09
………….when i do cycle slowely along the beach front kids tend to just run across in front of me without looking!............
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Invisible, Poole says...
9:41pm Tue 23 Jun 09
Unfortunately, cycle lanes won't work in this area, as pedestrians would blunder into them anyway - just as they do wherever clearly marked cycle lanes and pedestrian walkways are sited...

Too true.
You have a load of pre- teen kids attracted to our wonderful 8 miles of beech and guess what? They totally forget to look before running onto the sand. How inconsiderate of them!

Do you actually have any children? (I do wish mine were fitted with some sort of remote control).
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poolebabe, poole says... 9:49pm Tue 23 Jun 09 …Why doesn't anyone take into consideration ALL the "dangers" of the prom? Bin wagons, maintainance wagons and mobility scooters (to name a few)are traveling on the prom also…. I agree, but they do have flashing lights and make a noise. ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… …………… yourbard, Westbourne says... 9:34pm Tue 23 Jun 09 …What we're not hearing about are the inconsiderate, bone-headed, pig-ignorant, self-righteous dog-owners who blatantly flaunt the dog-fouling laws and consider that lead-wearing is for other dogs, not theirs,….. Oh, and there was me thinking it was about inconsiderate cyclists… ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… Peggy Babcock, Poole says... 8:35pm Tue 23 Jun 09. ……….Did the girl suddenly change direction and run into the path of the cyclist?........ bex1984, poole says... 8:23pm Tue 23 Jun 09 ………….when i do cycle slowely along the beach front kids tend to just run across in front of me without looking!............ ..... Invisible, Poole says... 9:41pm Tue 23 Jun 09 Unfortunately, cycle lanes won't work in this area, as pedestrians would blunder into them anyway - just as they do wherever clearly marked cycle lanes and pedestrian walkways are sited... Too true. You have a load of pre- teen kids attracted to our wonderful 8 miles of beech and guess what? They totally forget to look before running onto the sand. How inconsiderate of them! Do you actually have any children? (I do wish mine were fitted with some sort of remote control). ……………… ……………… ……………… ……………… …. Nick2
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10:49pm Tue 23 Jun 09

r50mini says...

The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system to solve these issues, they are called cycle lanes. If a cyclist hits a pedestrian in the pedestrian part the cyclist is fined and if the pedestrian is in the cycle lane and causes an accident they are in the wrong and fined. On the streets the general rule is Motorists give way to Cyclists and Pedestrians and Cyclists give way to Pedestrians. If the powers that be pulled there finger and implemented these schemes nationwide with decent cycle lanes it would make life easier rather than half baked schemes like speed cameras. When I lived in germany I used to ride most places as using the cycle lanes were quiker and easier to use around cities than a car. In a time when Govty and councils bang on about getting fitter and reduce car use, they still do nothing to improve the infrastructure for cyclists and pedestrians.
The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system to solve these issues, they are called cycle lanes. If a cyclist hits a pedestrian in the pedestrian part the cyclist is fined and if the pedestrian is in the cycle lane and causes an accident they are in the wrong and fined. On the streets the general rule is Motorists give way to Cyclists and Pedestrians and Cyclists give way to Pedestrians. If the powers that be pulled there finger and implemented these schemes nationwide with decent cycle lanes it would make life easier rather than half baked schemes like speed cameras. When I lived in germany I used to ride most places as using the cycle lanes were quiker and easier to use around cities than a car. In a time when Govty and councils bang on about getting fitter and reduce car use, they still do nothing to improve the infrastructure for cyclists and pedestrians. r50mini
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11:04pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Nick2 says...

r50mini, Blandford says...
10:49pm Tue 23 Jun 09
The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system…..
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I quite agree.

Having lived in Germany for over 20 years (army) AND after been on patrol with German Officers on a busman’s holiday, the law in Germany could be well employed over here.
Every road user, pedestrian, bike and car needs an insurance policy.

Do you know that if a vehicle overtaking an illegally parked vehicle should scrape against it, then the illegally parked vehicle is to blame? Here it is the moving vehicle that is to blame.
That is what you get with a Highway Code formed by a committee.
r50mini, Blandford says... 10:49pm Tue 23 Jun 09 The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system….. ................. I quite agree. Having lived in Germany for over 20 years (army) AND after been on patrol with German Officers on a busman’s holiday, the law in Germany could be well employed over here. Every road user, pedestrian, bike and car needs an insurance policy. Do you know that if a vehicle overtaking an illegally parked vehicle should scrape against it, then the illegally parked vehicle is to blame? Here it is the moving vehicle that is to blame. That is what you get with a Highway Code formed by a committee. Nick2
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11:08pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Maureen Arthur says...

who gives a rats ****!!!!!!!!!
who gives a rats ****!!!!!!!!! Maureen Arthur
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11:16pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Nick2 says...

Maureen Arthur wrote:
who gives a rats ****!!!!!!!!!
A well developed point of view. Thank you for that.
Please feel free to write again when you are older.
[quote][p][bold]Maureen Arthur[/bold] wrote: who gives a rats ****!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]A well developed point of view. Thank you for that. Please feel free to write again when you are older. Nick2
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11:25pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Tig says...

r50mini wrote:
The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system to solve these issues, they are called cycle lanes. If a cyclist hits a pedestrian in the pedestrian part the cyclist is fined and if the pedestrian is in the cycle lane and causes an accident they are in the wrong and fined. On the streets the general rule is Motorists give way to Cyclists and Pedestrians and Cyclists give way to Pedestrians. If the powers that be pulled there finger and implemented these schemes nationwide with decent cycle lanes it would make life easier rather than half baked schemes like speed cameras. When I lived in germany I used to ride most places as using the cycle lanes were quiker and easier to use around cities than a car. In a time when Govty and councils bang on about getting fitter and reduce car use, they still do nothing to improve the infrastructure for cyclists and pedestrians.
I agree. We need a cycle lane and the German system is the good solution. People need to learn to take responsibility for their actions - it's too easy to blame everything on other people.

Bicycles, vans, cars, mobility scooters, pedestrians and dogs all mingle together on many parts of the promenade. Parents of young children should be accompanying them around the beach. Calling out to a toddler that is wandering around near its parents, "Watch out for the bicycle" (as often happens) is just meaningless. Young children, especially, have no real awareness of what a moving vehicle would do to them if it hit them. And whatever happened to reins, or simply holding your child's hand? I always supervised my son, even though I'd have rather lazed around on the beach without a care in the world. If you're a parent you have to be a parent all of the time and that means watching out for potential dangers, even if it inconveniences you.

Dog owners also need to take responsibility for their pets. Letting them run around unfettered is a pain in the backside not only for cyclists, but pedestrians too. What is wrong with keeping them on a lead on the prom? The number of times dogs streak across right in front of everyone (vehicles included) is endless.

If everyone was more aware of what was going on around them and actually thought about other people instead of just themselves, then the world would be a much better place. This "Me, me ME!" culture, is deeply unpleasant.
[quote][p][bold]r50mini[/bold] wrote: The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system to solve these issues, they are called cycle lanes. If a cyclist hits a pedestrian in the pedestrian part the cyclist is fined and if the pedestrian is in the cycle lane and causes an accident they are in the wrong and fined. On the streets the general rule is Motorists give way to Cyclists and Pedestrians and Cyclists give way to Pedestrians. If the powers that be pulled there finger and implemented these schemes nationwide with decent cycle lanes it would make life easier rather than half baked schemes like speed cameras. When I lived in germany I used to ride most places as using the cycle lanes were quiker and easier to use around cities than a car. In a time when Govty and councils bang on about getting fitter and reduce car use, they still do nothing to improve the infrastructure for cyclists and pedestrians.[/p][/quote]I agree. We need a cycle lane and the German system is the good solution. People need to learn to take responsibility for their actions - it's too easy to blame everything on other people. Bicycles, vans, cars, mobility scooters, pedestrians and dogs all mingle together on many parts of the promenade. Parents of young children should be accompanying them around the beach. Calling out to a toddler that is wandering around near its parents, "Watch out for the bicycle" (as often happens) is just meaningless. Young children, especially, have no real awareness of what a moving vehicle would do to them if it hit them. And whatever happened to reins, or simply holding your child's hand? I always supervised my son, even though I'd have rather lazed around on the beach without a care in the world. If you're a parent you have to be a parent all of the time and that means watching out for potential dangers, even if it inconveniences you. Dog owners also need to take responsibility for their pets. Letting them run around unfettered is a pain in the backside not only for cyclists, but pedestrians too. What is wrong with keeping them on a lead on the prom? The number of times dogs streak across right in front of everyone (vehicles included) is endless. If everyone was more aware of what was going on around them and actually thought about other people instead of just themselves, then the world would be a much better place. This "Me, me ME!" culture, is deeply unpleasant. Tig
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11:25pm Tue 23 Jun 09

GB1980 says...

"Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!!"

How is that ever going to work? Bicycles don't have number plates so none of your half-baked ideas are enforceable, and nobody is going to buy insurance when they don't need to are they?

If any of your ideas are put into practice where will it end? Insurance for pushing a shopping trolley in case you bump into someone? Having to take a test to put on a pair of rollerskates? A ban on running on the promenade?

If all the responsibility is placed on the cyclist the problem of people blundering around without looking where they're going will only get worse - why bother to look where you're going if you can just claim on someone's insurance?

“He came from nowhere."
No he didn't, he came from somewhere, you just didn't see him coming.
"Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!!" How is that ever going to work? Bicycles don't have number plates so none of your half-baked ideas are enforceable, and nobody is going to buy insurance when they don't need to are they? If any of your ideas are put into practice where will it end? Insurance for pushing a shopping trolley in case you bump into someone? Having to take a test to put on a pair of rollerskates? A ban on running on the promenade? If all the responsibility is placed on the cyclist the problem of people blundering around without looking where they're going will only get worse - why bother to look where you're going if you can just claim on someone's insurance? “He came from nowhere." No he didn't, he came from somewhere, you just didn't see him coming. GB1980
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11:45pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Xchurch-man says...

GB1980 wrote:
"Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!!" How is that ever going to work? Bicycles don't have number plates so none of your half-baked ideas are enforceable, and nobody is going to buy insurance when they don't need to are they? If any of your ideas are put into practice where will it end? Insurance for pushing a shopping trolley in case you bump into someone? Having to take a test to put on a pair of rollerskates? A ban on running on the promenade? If all the responsibility is placed on the cyclist the problem of people blundering around without looking where they're going will only get worse - why bother to look where you're going if you can just claim on someone's insurance? “He came from nowhere." No he didn't, he came from somewhere, you just didn't see him coming.
Bicycles don't need number plates for this to work. A police officer with a laser speed gun measures the speed of the offending cyclist from a distance as is done with cars and motorcycles. When the cycle passes the officer he requires it to stop (already a criminal offence not to stop when required to even for a pedestrian). The officer then requires the cyclist to provide his correct name and address (again already a criminal offence not to). A speeding (or other road traffic act) fine is then issued to the cyclist. Insurance would be recorded on a database as it is with car and motorcycle insurance, the name and address of the cyclist would show if they had it or not, again a fine if not. Uninsured cyclists involved in an accident would incur a fine as well as possible legal damages.
It's all about responsibility and complying with the law. Other road users have to do it why should cyclists be exempt or are you some form of higher life?
[quote][p][bold]GB1980[/bold] wrote: "Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!!" How is that ever going to work? Bicycles don't have number plates so none of your half-baked ideas are enforceable, and nobody is going to buy insurance when they don't need to are they? If any of your ideas are put into practice where will it end? Insurance for pushing a shopping trolley in case you bump into someone? Having to take a test to put on a pair of rollerskates? A ban on running on the promenade? If all the responsibility is placed on the cyclist the problem of people blundering around without looking where they're going will only get worse - why bother to look where you're going if you can just claim on someone's insurance? “He came from nowhere." No he didn't, he came from somewhere, you just didn't see him coming.[/p][/quote]Bicycles don't need number plates for this to work. A police officer with a laser speed gun measures the speed of the offending cyclist from a distance as is done with cars and motorcycles. When the cycle passes the officer he requires it to stop (already a criminal offence not to stop when required to even for a pedestrian). The officer then requires the cyclist to provide his correct name and address (again already a criminal offence not to). A speeding (or other road traffic act) fine is then issued to the cyclist. Insurance would be recorded on a database as it is with car and motorcycle insurance, the name and address of the cyclist would show if they had it or not, again a fine if not. Uninsured cyclists involved in an accident would incur a fine as well as possible legal damages. It's all about responsibility and complying with the law. Other road users have to do it why should cyclists be exempt or are you some form of higher life? Xchurch-man
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11:47pm Tue 23 Jun 09

Chris... says...

The Council do not need to ban all bikes from the proms. What the council need to do is get off their big fat butts, and start to think about the safety of the towns people and paying visitors, and not bother about Travellers Sites.

Time and time again it has been said in these columns. Basically only Council vehicles and Emergency vehicles are permitted on the proms. So we know that motorised transport is at a low.

The road way should be cut to half its width, and marked off, or even some sort of fencing put up, that will accommodate the cyclists. The Pavement, and the remainder of the road is used for pedestrians, and/or for Emergency vehicle use.

Access from Beach huts will be via small zebra crossings, with a gap in the fencing for pedestrians to gain access to the beaches.

Common sense really. But our council are not bothered.

The Council do not need to ban all bikes from the proms. What the council need to do is get off their big fat butts, and start to think about the safety of the towns people and paying visitors, and not bother about Travellers Sites. Time and time again it has been said in these columns. Basically only Council vehicles and Emergency vehicles are permitted on the proms. So we know that motorised transport is at a low. The road way should be cut to half its width, and marked off, or even some sort of fencing put up, that will accommodate the cyclists. The Pavement, and the remainder of the road is used for pedestrians, and/or for Emergency vehicle use. Access from Beach huts will be via small zebra crossings, with a gap in the fencing for pedestrians to gain access to the beaches. Common sense really. But our council are not bothered. Chris...
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11:53pm Tue 23 Jun 09

godzillareturns says...

twynham wrote:
I love cycling along the prom but bex1984 you are completely wrong, children are at the beach and not aware they have to look out for cyclists, it is our responsibility as cyclists to look out for THEM. It is a promenade, a paved path or terrace along a seafront for people to walk. I remember the years when we were not allowed to cycle on the prom and how frustrating it was trying to convince the council that cyclists would ride in a responsible manner. The cyclist is a guest on the prom and at all times should be aware that people enjoying a day at the sea side are not necessarily aware that it is a joint pedestrian & cycle route. Only common sense really!
well said a sensible response from an actual cyclist, kids on the beach cannot be expected ro look for bikes after all they are at the beach not on a highway
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: I love cycling along the prom but bex1984 you are completely wrong, children are at the beach and not aware they have to look out for cyclists, it is our responsibility as cyclists to look out for THEM. It is a promenade, a paved path or terrace along a seafront for people to walk. I remember the years when we were not allowed to cycle on the prom and how frustrating it was trying to convince the council that cyclists would ride in a responsible manner. The cyclist is a guest on the prom and at all times should be aware that people enjoying a day at the sea side are not necessarily aware that it is a joint pedestrian & cycle route. Only common sense really! [/p][/quote]well said a sensible response from an actual cyclist, kids on the beach cannot be expected ro look for bikes after all they are at the beach not on a highway godzillareturns
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12:03am Wed 24 Jun 09

Nick2 says...

Good idea Chris.

Are you going to pay for it?
(Only slightly demeaning. Sorry..)

I disagree, in 2006 I stopped 30 cyclists breaking the ban. It is just too crowded down there..

A human being weighs on average about 80 Kg. This moving forward at 10 MPH means a lot of kinetic energy. If they hit a small child (2 yr old) then the child WILL sustain massive injuries.

You can tell little children not to run onto the beech, you may try, but you will fail. You CAN tell adults that it is dangerous to ride there.

Who has the capacity to listen?
NOT the readers of the Echo obviously!
Good idea Chris. Are you going to pay for it? (Only slightly demeaning. Sorry..) I disagree, in 2006 I stopped 30 cyclists breaking the ban. It is just too crowded down there.. A human being weighs on average about 80 Kg. This moving forward at 10 MPH means a lot of kinetic energy. If they hit a small child (2 yr old) then the child WILL sustain massive injuries. You can tell little children not to run onto the beech, you may try, but you will fail. You CAN tell adults that it is dangerous to ride there. Who has the capacity to listen? NOT the readers of the Echo obviously! Nick2
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5:25am Wed 24 Jun 09

anna007 says...

If only our country was run like Germany!!
We may have won that war,but they sure have more brains and organisation in their country.
They deal with their problems in an efficient and intellectually practical way.
Eco.considerate too!Walking and Cycling should be considered the cleanest forms of transport,but in this country you always get the inconsiderate morons who have to spoil it for others,and Bournemouth is one of the worst areas!
I think Children should be allowed areas where they have the freedom to be children and not have pressure put on them looking around for anything to cause them worry.Adults and Teenagers should show responsibility of being more sensible and thoughtful towards children.
As a cyclist too, I am always considerate and get off my bike when I see a crowd of people and walk with my bike past them.It's just sensible and respectful and safe!
If only our country was run like Germany!! We may have won that war,but they sure have more brains and organisation in their country. They deal with their problems in an efficient and intellectually practical way. Eco.considerate too!Walking and Cycling should be considered the cleanest forms of transport,but in this country you always get the inconsiderate morons who have to spoil it for others,and Bournemouth is one of the worst areas! I think Children should be allowed areas where they have the freedom to be children and not have pressure put on them looking around for anything to cause them worry.Adults and Teenagers should show responsibility of being more sensible and thoughtful towards children. As a cyclist too, I am always considerate and get off my bike when I see a crowd of people and walk with my bike past them.It's just sensible and respectful and safe! anna007
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5:25am Wed 24 Jun 09

anna007 says...

If only our country was run like Germany!!
We may have won that war,but they sure have more brains and organisation in their country.
They deal with their problems in an efficient and intellectually practical way.
Eco.considerate too!Walking and Cycling should be considered the cleanest forms of transport,but in this country you always get the inconsiderate morons who have to spoil it for others,and Bournemouth is one of the worst areas!
I think Children should be allowed areas where they have the freedom to be children and not have pressure put on them looking around for anything to cause them worry.Adults and Teenagers should show responsibility of being more sensible and thoughtful towards children.
As a cyclist too, I am always considerate and get off my bike when I see a crowd of people and walk with my bike past them.It's just sensible and respectful and safe!
If only our country was run like Germany!! We may have won that war,but they sure have more brains and organisation in their country. They deal with their problems in an efficient and intellectually practical way. Eco.considerate too!Walking and Cycling should be considered the cleanest forms of transport,but in this country you always get the inconsiderate morons who have to spoil it for others,and Bournemouth is one of the worst areas! I think Children should be allowed areas where they have the freedom to be children and not have pressure put on them looking around for anything to cause them worry.Adults and Teenagers should show responsibility of being more sensible and thoughtful towards children. As a cyclist too, I am always considerate and get off my bike when I see a crowd of people and walk with my bike past them.It's just sensible and respectful and safe! anna007
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7:31am Wed 24 Jun 09

boardstiff says...

anna007 wrote:
If only our country was run like Germany!!
We may have won that war,but they sure have more brains and organisation in their country.
They deal with their problems in an efficient and intellectually practical way.
Eco.considerate too!Walking and Cycling should be considered the cleanest forms of transport,but in this country you always get the inconsiderate morons who have to spoil it for others,and Bournemouth is one of the worst areas!
I think Children should be allowed areas where they have the freedom to be children and not have pressure put on them looking around for anything to cause them worry.Adults and Teenagers should show responsibility of being more sensible and thoughtful towards children.
As a cyclist too, I am always considerate and get off my bike when I see a crowd of people and walk with my bike past them.It's just sensible and respectful and safe!
Isn't it because we won the war that Germany is now run the way it is?
[quote][p][bold]anna007[/bold] wrote: If only our country was run like Germany!! We may have won that war,but they sure have more brains and organisation in their country. They deal with their problems in an efficient and intellectually practical way. Eco.considerate too!Walking and Cycling should be considered the cleanest forms of transport,but in this country you always get the inconsiderate morons who have to spoil it for others,and Bournemouth is one of the worst areas! I think Children should be allowed areas where they have the freedom to be children and not have pressure put on them looking around for anything to cause them worry.Adults and Teenagers should show responsibility of being more sensible and thoughtful towards children. As a cyclist too, I am always considerate and get off my bike when I see a crowd of people and walk with my bike past them.It's just sensible and respectful and safe![/p][/quote]Isn't it because we won the war that Germany is now run the way it is? boardstiff
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8:05am Wed 24 Jun 09

psal says...

From what I read it appears the cyclist went into this young girl, she was not running across the prom. This area was very busy last night, families still using the beach huts, children running off to get ice creams, dog walkers (mostly with their dogs on leads) cyclists, roller bladers etc, etc. Whilst most of the cyclists were very considerate of other prom users a few were completely inconsiderate and cycling well in excess of 10mph. The problem is if they are coming towards you they can be seen, if however they are coming from behind you have no idea they are there. Unless you walk in a straight line you have every chance of one of them colliding with you. I am all for cycling along the prom, what a nice way to spend a summer's evening, but the prom is a pedestrian area and as much as you try you will never stop kids running around and the odd dog running lose, after all...it is a beach!
From what I read it appears the cyclist went into this young girl, she was not running across the prom. This area was very busy last night, families still using the beach huts, children running off to get ice creams, dog walkers (mostly with their dogs on leads) cyclists, roller bladers etc, etc. Whilst most of the cyclists were very considerate of other prom users a few were completely inconsiderate and cycling well in excess of 10mph. The problem is if they are coming towards you they can be seen, if however they are coming from behind you have no idea they are there. Unless you walk in a straight line you have every chance of one of them colliding with you. I am all for cycling along the prom, what a nice way to spend a summer's evening, but the prom is a pedestrian area and as much as you try you will never stop kids running around and the odd dog running lose, after all...it is a beach! psal
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8:10am Wed 24 Jun 09

miketheplumb says...

As both a keen cyclist and a beach prom walker, I can see and hear both sides of this. Walking from Branksome Chine to Bournemouth and back last night, the prom was very busy with many cyclists. MOST are responsible, however on to occasions I had to move quickly out of the way of speeding cyclists. It doesn't take much to work out who's going fast it's blatanly obvious, and does potentially cause issues. Again with lots of beach party folks around, cyclists do have to dodge folks "diving" out of beach huts towards the beach, so it goes both ways. I will say the majority of cyclists I saw last night rode sensibly taking note of the situation. To the two that I had to move out the way of, you give the cycling fraternity a bad name.
As both a keen cyclist and a beach prom walker, I can see and hear both sides of this. Walking from Branksome Chine to Bournemouth and back last night, the prom was very busy with many cyclists. MOST are responsible, however on to occasions I had to move quickly out of the way of speeding cyclists. It doesn't take much to work out who's going fast it's blatanly obvious, and does potentially cause issues. Again with lots of beach party folks around, cyclists do have to dodge folks "diving" out of beach huts towards the beach, so it goes both ways. I will say the majority of cyclists I saw last night rode sensibly taking note of the situation. To the two that I had to move out the way of, you give the cycling fraternity a bad name. miketheplumb
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8:33am Wed 24 Jun 09

GB916 says...

Unfortunately the minority of bad cyclist effect the good ones
I use the prom everyday and see a few cyclists who blatently ignore the rules.
Also i have had to avoid children where parents have seen me and then released there young child as i approach,yes its true,it is about time the bad cyclists are bought to book,and someone should target the council workers in their vans,they are not supposed to be going faster than 20mph,yet everyday i see the same three people in the same three vans doing at least 30mph.
We all want to enjoy the seafront so we all need to share and respect each other,so please dont tar all cyclists with the same brush,most of us are aware of what is going on around us
Unfortunately the minority of bad cyclist effect the good ones I use the prom everyday and see a few cyclists who blatently ignore the rules. Also i have had to avoid children where parents have seen me and then released there young child as i approach,yes its true,it is about time the bad cyclists are bought to book,and someone should target the council workers in their vans,they are not supposed to be going faster than 20mph,yet everyday i see the same three people in the same three vans doing at least 30mph. We all want to enjoy the seafront so we all need to share and respect each other,so please dont tar all cyclists with the same brush,most of us are aware of what is going on around us GB916
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9:08am Wed 24 Jun 09

Adrian XX says...

I agree with those who state that pedestrians must behave themselves too. We do not know in this case whether the girl was at fault. Perhaps the article could be retitled "surfer girl causes cycle crash on prom"!

If cyclists are to be fined for dangerous behaviour, then pedestrians should be fined too.

I don't think the prom should be a children's playground where children don't have to look before walking or running across. They have the beach for this.
I agree with those who state that pedestrians must behave themselves too. We do not know in this case whether the girl was at fault. Perhaps the article could be retitled "surfer girl causes cycle crash on prom"! If cyclists are to be fined for dangerous behaviour, then pedestrians should be fined too. I don't think the prom should be a children's playground where children don't have to look before walking or running across. They have the beach for this. Adrian XX
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10:22am Wed 24 Jun 09

Bournemouth resident says...

The 10MPH limit must be enforced.

If this is not possible cycling should be banned.
The 10MPH limit must be enforced. If this is not possible cycling should be banned. Bournemouth resident
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10:37am Wed 24 Jun 09

Trifecta says...

May I suggest that James Morton looks up the hyperbole in his dictionary:

"WAVE OF PROTEST: Scarlett Pledger, nine, from Parkstone, was knocked down by a speeding cyclist at Branksome Chine, but escaped serious injury thanks to her bodyboard"

"Waves" ? "Speeding" ?

Do tell how she went over the bike and then the rider ended up on top of her. Think about it James. Slowly.
May I suggest that James Morton looks up the hyperbole in his dictionary: "WAVE OF PROTEST: Scarlett Pledger, nine, from Parkstone, was knocked down by a speeding cyclist at Branksome Chine, but escaped serious injury thanks to her bodyboard" "Waves" ? "Speeding" ? Do tell how she went over the bike and then the rider ended up on top of her. Think about it James. Slowly. Trifecta
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10:44am Wed 24 Jun 09

southcoaststeve says...

Out of curiosity, how on earth was she carrying her bodyboard and washing her bucket and spade at the tap, the bodyboard is almost as tall as she is!
Out of curiosity, how on earth was she carrying her bodyboard and washing her bucket and spade at the tap, the bodyboard is almost as tall as she is! southcoaststeve
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10:47am Wed 24 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

She was brave and very luckyIt is very unfortunate that this happened.

There is a simple solution - make a cycle path!

Just make a cycle route along the promenade - a bit of paint in a line and people would then have no excuse to recognise that it is a road as well as a promenade.

Biking is healthy and environmentaly friendly - if you want to ban the bikes - then ban the white trucks- train and the cars who visit beach huts.

There are very few bike accidents but a massive ammount of car accidents- people need to be alert.

How many people walk out infront of cars on the road each year?

The green cross code and commonsense should be re-taught
and people need to stop look and listen whether they are in the forest, on a beach, mountain or road..

Where were the parents?
She was brave and very luckyIt is very unfortunate that this happened. There is a simple solution - make a cycle path! Just make a cycle route along the promenade - a bit of paint in a line and people would then have no excuse to recognise that it is a road as well as a promenade. Biking is healthy and environmentaly friendly - if you want to ban the bikes - then ban the white trucks- train and the cars who visit beach huts. There are very few bike accidents but a massive ammount of car accidents- people need to be alert. How many people walk out infront of cars on the road each year? The green cross code and commonsense should be re-taught and people need to stop look and listen whether they are in the forest, on a beach, mountain or road.. Where were the parents? mark0peters
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11:37am Wed 24 Jun 09

yelhsawm says...

I am a cyclist and always take care if I ever ride on the prom and get off and walk the bike if it is busy.

But please don't claim the prom is just for pedestrians, that is rubbish. As has already been pointed out, we should all be able to use the prom together and be aware of each other.

I think cyclists are an easy target and I have been sworn and shouted at by pedestrians for using cycle lanes when they are the ones walking on them! I don't think a cycle lane would work on the prom for that same reason that some pedestrians don't care. But similarly it is a minority of them that don't care as it is with cyclists that give both a bad name.

Come on people, let's share!
I am a cyclist and always take care if I ever ride on the prom and get off and walk the bike if it is busy. But please don't claim the prom is just for pedestrians, that is rubbish. As has already been pointed out, we should all be able to use the prom together and be aware of each other. I think cyclists are an easy target and I have been sworn and shouted at by pedestrians for using cycle lanes when they are the ones walking on them! I don't think a cycle lane would work on the prom for that same reason that some pedestrians don't care. But similarly it is a minority of them that don't care as it is with cyclists that give both a bad name. Come on people, let's share! yelhsawm
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11:44am Wed 24 Jun 09

green & gold says...

I am in constant danger of being mowed doen by school kids on their bikes in the morning. Do they get out of the way - of course not. They think they have the right of way. Down at the beach it is worse and there will be more accidents like this one unless something is done about it. Why not employ a few unemployed people/students during the summer time to enforce safe riding from the cyclists? Children should be safe at the beach/on the prom and not needing to look right/left right again everytime they want to move around down there. As for the comment where were the parents - could they have stopped it from happening? I doubt it very much.
I am in constant danger of being mowed doen by school kids on their bikes in the morning. Do they get out of the way - of course not. They think they have the right of way. Down at the beach it is worse and there will be more accidents like this one unless something is done about it. Why not employ a few unemployed people/students during the summer time to enforce safe riding from the cyclists? Children should be safe at the beach/on the prom and not needing to look right/left right again everytime they want to move around down there. As for the comment where were the parents - could they have stopped it from happening? I doubt it very much. green & gold
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12:21pm Wed 24 Jun 09

bmouthrob says...

r50mini wrote:
The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system to solve these issues, they are called cycle lanes. If a cyclist hits a pedestrian in the pedestrian part the cyclist is fined and if the pedestrian is in the cycle lane and causes an accident they are in the wrong and fined. On the streets the general rule is Motorists give way to Cyclists and Pedestrians and Cyclists give way to Pedestrians. If the powers that be pulled there finger and implemented these schemes nationwide with decent cycle lanes it would make life easier rather than half baked schemes like speed cameras. When I lived in germany I used to ride most places as using the cycle lanes were quiker and easier to use around cities than a car. In a time when Govty and councils bang on about getting fitter and reduce car use, they still do nothing to improve the infrastructure for cyclists and pedestrians.
Precisely!!!

As a cyclist I don't want to have any special privileges, just a system that is simple to adhere to and everyone agrees with. I think it would be wholly unfair to ban cyclists from the beach though. I guess in the past I may have broken the 10mph limit when it was not busy, but I have never hit anyone and am always extremely aware (more so than even on the roads) as I know there can be unexpected dangers at any point (children running from beach huts being the main one).

Why can't we just have a system whereby there is a clearly marked cycle lane and therefore the onus is clearly on either the cyclist or pedestrian? They allow cars between Boscombe and Bournemouth, but no one seems to mind about that?!! It is exactly the same principle really. At least that way the cyclists would be contained and there would only be a small patch of the promenade pedestrians would have to be wary of (much like the huge road / car park between Boscombe and Bournemouth).

Final thought - I'm sure the parents manage to keep their children from running out in front of cars on the car park ok so why not bikes? I tell you why because the car park is convenient for THEM so they put up with it. People should learn to compromise and try to come to a solution instead of spending all their time mouthing off on websites...
[quote][p][bold]r50mini[/bold] wrote: The solution is simple I suggest a representive from Bournemouth council and Dorset police fly to Germany. They have a simple system to solve these issues, they are called cycle lanes. If a cyclist hits a pedestrian in the pedestrian part the cyclist is fined and if the pedestrian is in the cycle lane and causes an accident they are in the wrong and fined. On the streets the general rule is Motorists give way to Cyclists and Pedestrians and Cyclists give way to Pedestrians. If the powers that be pulled there finger and implemented these schemes nationwide with decent cycle lanes it would make life easier rather than half baked schemes like speed cameras. When I lived in germany I used to ride most places as using the cycle lanes were quiker and easier to use around cities than a car. In a time when Govty and councils bang on about getting fitter and reduce car use, they still do nothing to improve the infrastructure for cyclists and pedestrians.[/p][/quote]Precisely!!! As a cyclist I don't want to have any special privileges, just a system that is simple to adhere to and everyone agrees with. I think it would be wholly unfair to ban cyclists from the beach though. I guess in the past I may have broken the 10mph limit when it was not busy, but I have never hit anyone and am always extremely aware (more so than even on the roads) as I know there can be unexpected dangers at any point (children running from beach huts being the main one). Why can't we just have a system whereby there is a clearly marked cycle lane and therefore the onus is clearly on either the cyclist or pedestrian? They allow cars between Boscombe and Bournemouth, but no one seems to mind about that?!! It is exactly the same principle really. At least that way the cyclists would be contained and there would only be a small patch of the promenade pedestrians would have to be wary of (much like the huge road / car park between Boscombe and Bournemouth). Final thought - I'm sure the parents manage to keep their children from running out in front of cars on the car park ok so why not bikes? I tell you why because the car park is convenient for THEM so they put up with it. People should learn to compromise and try to come to a solution instead of spending all their time mouthing off on websites... bmouthrob
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1:08pm Wed 24 Jun 09

KMB65 says...

Twyneham, I'm with Bex I'm afraid. It's not a pedestrian only pavement - cycles are allowed. Therefore, it's both the responsibility of the cyclist AND the pedestrian to ensure their own safety.

Being that it's a fairly young child I'm of the opinion that she suddenly ran in front of the cycle as are others here.

Of course, the echo only ever reports on the wrong doing of cyclists and car parking parents. Talk about whip up a media frenzy. Bad reporting me thinks!
Twyneham, I'm with Bex I'm afraid. It's not a pedestrian only pavement - cycles are allowed. Therefore, it's both the responsibility of the cyclist AND the pedestrian to ensure their own safety. Being that it's a fairly young child I'm of the opinion that she suddenly ran in front of the cycle as are others here. Of course, the echo only ever reports on the wrong doing of cyclists and car parking parents. Talk about whip up a media frenzy. Bad reporting me thinks! KMB65
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1:16pm Wed 24 Jun 09

billythereb says...

I think English schools are part of the blame,the amount of times i have seen foreign students on bikes cycling on the pavement on Old xchurch RD/Commercial RD.P'haps these schools should make them more aware.......
When im down the beach in times when it's really busy cyclists wading from one sid of the prom t'other,this is dangerous if some of them had half a brain cell they would dismount walk past the busy spot wait for a break...then proceed ...rushing round like a blue-arsed fly does'nt help anyone.
I think English schools are part of the blame,the amount of times i have seen foreign students on bikes cycling on the pavement on Old xchurch RD/Commercial RD.P'haps these schools should make them more aware....... When im down the beach in times when it's really busy cyclists wading from one sid of the prom t'other,this is dangerous if some of them had half a brain cell they would dismount walk past the busy spot wait for a break...then proceed ...rushing round like a blue-arsed fly does'nt help anyone. billythereb
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1:25pm Wed 24 Jun 09

mark0peters says...

Cycle lanes - simple as that -

Educate the parents-
Cycle lanes - simple as that - Educate the parents- mark0peters
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1:31pm Wed 24 Jun 09

Peggy Babcock says...

Why is it we only hear about issues on the prom? These idiots who say 'it's just for walkers' are living in the dark ages. Take the Castleman Trailway. This was previously just for trains, so does that mean walkers and cyclists should not actually use it? Times change.

We never hear of issues on tracks in the New Forest / trailways etc. I'm not saying all cyclists are saints, but equally, the main issue is people running out or changiong direction without looking.
Why is it we only hear about issues on the prom? These idiots who say 'it's just for walkers' are living in the dark ages. Take the Castleman Trailway. This was previously just for trains, so does that mean walkers and cyclists should not actually use it? Times change. We never hear of issues on tracks in the New Forest / trailways etc. I'm not saying all cyclists are saints, but equally, the main issue is people running out or changiong direction without looking. Peggy Babcock
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1:35pm Wed 24 Jun 09

Tig says...

billythereb wrote:
I think English schools are part of the blame,the amount of times i have seen foreign students on bikes cycling on the pavement on Old xchurch RD/Commercial RD.P'haps these schools should make them more aware....... When im down the beach in times when it's really busy cyclists wading from one sid of the prom t'other,this is dangerous if some of them had half a brain cell they would dismount walk past the busy spot wait for a break...then proceed ...rushing round like a blue-arsed fly does'nt help anyone.
I'm afraid the majority of people cycling on the pavements aren't foreign exchange students, they are people from this country - adults and children. Police don't take any notice of them and if you tell them they should be cycling on the road you just get a mouthful of abuse as they carry on.

"Wading from one side of the prom....". If cyclists had to dismount every time there was a busy spot they may as well walk! Any case, pedestrians are just as guilty of "wading" from side to side. If there was a cycle lane it would be much easier.

Security word = here=push !!!
[quote][p][bold]billythereb[/bold] wrote: I think English schools are part of the blame,the amount of times i have seen foreign students on bikes cycling on the pavement on Old xchurch RD/Commercial RD.P'haps these schools should make them more aware....... When im down the beach in times when it's really busy cyclists wading from one sid of the prom t'other,this is dangerous if some of them had half a brain cell they would dismount walk past the busy spot wait for a break...then proceed ...rushing round like a blue-arsed fly does'nt help anyone.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid the majority of people cycling on the pavements aren't foreign exchange students, they are people from this country - adults and children. Police don't take any notice of them and if you tell them they should be cycling on the road you just get a mouthful of abuse as they carry on. "Wading from one side of the prom....". If cyclists had to dismount every time there was a busy spot they may as well walk! Any case, pedestrians are just as guilty of "wading" from side to side. If there was a cycle lane it would be much easier. Security word = here=push !!! Tig
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2:04pm Wed 24 Jun 09

bex1984 says...

basically we all need to be aware of each other and give way to each other. rather then blame peopel or cyclists. we both have to share the prom so we both need to be alert and aware.

Simples x
basically we all need to be aware of each other and give way to each other. rather then blame peopel or cyclists. we both have to share the prom so we both need to be alert and aware. Simples x bex1984
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2:18pm Wed 24 Jun 09

charmy1 says...

Yes it is an unfortunate ACCIDENT and thats just what it was an accident, are we to ban cars, because of the dodgy driving of other people? However there have been many times when I have been cycling on the prom at less than 10mph (i have a bike computer) where I have had to dodge peoples BBQ parties so large that even pedestrians struggle to get through, people giving surf lessons, deck chairs, mounds of sand, heaps of rubbish and the like. And yes I do agree that there should be some restrictions such as cycle lanes, one thing I point out is that I PAY COUNCIL TAX AS WELL so why as a cyclist shouldnt I have the right to use the prom as well. It at times is the safest route most of the time to get from Poole to bournemouth thanks to either myoptic octagenarians, bad drivers and shoddy roads! As for paying insurance, I also pay enough insurance on two cars and my motorbike. People are being encouraged to "be green" tell me apart from walking what other form of transport is greener!
Yes it is an unfortunate ACCIDENT and thats just what it was an accident, are we to ban cars, because of the dodgy driving of other people? However there have been many times when I have been cycling on the prom at less than 10mph (i have a bike computer) where I have had to dodge peoples BBQ parties so large that even pedestrians struggle to get through, people giving surf lessons, deck chairs, mounds of sand, heaps of rubbish and the like. And yes I do agree that there should be some restrictions such as cycle lanes, one thing I point out is that I PAY COUNCIL TAX AS WELL so why as a cyclist shouldnt I have the right to use the prom as well. It at times is the safest route most of the time to get from Poole to bournemouth thanks to either myoptic octagenarians, bad drivers and shoddy roads! As for paying insurance, I also pay enough insurance on two cars and my motorbike. People are being encouraged to "be green" tell me apart from walking what other form of transport is greener! charmy1
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3:34pm Wed 24 Jun 09

Will A says...

"He came from nowhere."
No... the prom is straight(ish) for about 8 miles, you should have seen him coming!

Why is there such a hoo-har about cyclists on the prom? Everyone is entitled to enjoy the sunshine and the beach, it is afterall there for all our benefits, not just those the council decides to allow there.
Instead of berating those who are actually getting some exercise by cycling along the beach, how about we do something about the hundreds who drive to the beach and back when they could easily get public transport or walk, or daren't I say it, cycle?! This article is just needlessly harming the profile of people who just want to enjoy the sunshine and get some exercise along the prom!

The other question I have, is why was she left unattended by her mother? Any peodo could have come along (out of nowhere, no doubt!) and grabbed her, why wasn't her mum with her, there to take the blow from the bike instead?!
"He came from nowhere." No... the prom is straight(ish) for about 8 miles, you should have seen him coming! Why is there such a hoo-har about cyclists on the prom? Everyone is entitled to enjoy the sunshine and the beach, it is afterall there for all our benefits, not just those the council decides to allow there. Instead of berating those who are actually getting some exercise by cycling along the beach, how about we do something about the hundreds who drive to the beach and back when they could easily get public transport or walk, or daren't I say it, cycle?! This article is just needlessly harming the profile of people who just want to enjoy the sunshine and get some exercise along the prom! The other question I have, is why was she left unattended by her mother? Any peodo could have come along (out of nowhere, no doubt!) and grabbed her, why wasn't her mum with her, there to take the blow from the bike instead?! Will A
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3:44pm Wed 24 Jun 09

triffid says...

She was brave and very luckyI'm utterly fed up with hearing 'ban the cyclists'. The problem is simple: the pedestrains don't know where to expect the cyclists to be, the cyclists have to keep weaving in and out of the pedestrians. Put a marked cycle lane down the middle, then everyone knows where they stand. Granted, there are a minority of cyclists who need to slow down and take more care but please don't let them spoil it for the sensible majority. Similarly, the small minority of bloody-minded pedestrians who deliberately stand in the way of the cyclists should show a little more consideration too.

Simple.
She was brave and very luckyI'm utterly fed up with hearing 'ban the cyclists'. The problem is simple: the pedestrains don't know where to expect the cyclists to be, the cyclists have to keep weaving in and out of the pedestrians. Put a marked cycle lane down the middle, then everyone knows where they stand. Granted, there are a minority of cyclists who need to slow down and take more care but please don't let them spoil it for the sensible majority. Similarly, the small minority of bloody-minded pedestrians who deliberately stand in the way of the cyclists should show a little more consideration too. Simple. triffid
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4:04pm Wed 24 Jun 09

anderton says...

She was brave and very luckySensible comments,but lost on a lot of people on here.
She was brave and very luckySensible comments,but lost on a lot of people on here. anderton
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4:07pm Wed 24 Jun 09

anderton says...

She was brave and very luckySensible comments,but lost on a lot of people on here.
She was brave and very luckySensible comments,but lost on a lot of people on here. anderton
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4:11pm Wed 24 Jun 09

pipistrollers says...

It's early in the season yet and already a child has been injured. Last year another child was injured. How do you stop injuries to pedestrians by cyclists - simple don't allow any cyclists on the prom. There was a time when no cycling was allowed on the prom so why not go back to that time again then no one will be inured by cyclists.

If on the other hand, the Council are not prepared to ban cyclists from the prom, can we then take it as read that the Council will take FULL responsibility for any pedestrian who is hit by a cyclist?

It's early in the season yet and already a child has been injured. Last year another child was injured. How do you stop injuries to pedestrians by cyclists - simple don't allow any cyclists on the prom. There was a time when no cycling was allowed on the prom so why not go back to that time again then no one will be inured by cyclists. If on the other hand, the Council are not prepared to ban cyclists from the prom, can we then take it as read that the Council will take FULL responsibility for any pedestrian who is hit by a cyclist? pipistrollers
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5:21pm Wed 24 Jun 09

godzillareturns says...

dictionary definition of promenade. A leisurely walk, especially one taken in a public place as a social activity.
b. A public place for such walking..

just to stir up a
few more comments, no one is suggesting they ban cyclists just that during summer they walk the bikes along the prom. After all the beach huts are along the prom and people are backwards and forwards from them to the beach so kids are not going to "look both ways" as if crossing a road, and this cild was stationary anyway.
dictionary definition of promenade. A leisurely walk, especially one taken in a public place as a social activity. b. A public place for such walking.. just to stir up a few more comments, no one is suggesting they ban cyclists just that during summer they walk the bikes along the prom. After all the beach huts are along the prom and people are backwards and forwards from them to the beach so kids are not going to "look both ways" as if crossing a road, and this cild was stationary anyway. godzillareturns
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5:28pm Wed 24 Jun 09

JUD KIRK says...

Why not ban bikes after 9.30 and before 4.30 from whitsun half term until the end of the summer holidays. Not difficult to do and not too difficult to enforce
Why not ban bikes after 9.30 and before 4.30 from whitsun half term until the end of the summer holidays. Not difficult to do and not too difficult to enforce JUD KIRK
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5:57pm Wed 24 Jun 09

MyViewpoint says...

At first glance it does appear that Scarlett was injured by an irresponsible cyclist. This is clearly unacceptable and I hope that the police take action if this is the case.
However the prominence given to this story and the inflammatory tone of the article is journalism of the lowest level.
This week a child cyclist was seriously injured by a Taxi in Branksome. The road was closed as he was trapped under the Taxi and had to be released by ambulance staff. Although taken to hospital by ambulance the child should make a full recovery. I don't know who was at fault. Why was this story not covered at all? Does this paper believe that serious injury to a cyclist is unimportant and just not news worthy?
At first glance it does appear that Scarlett was injured by an irresponsible cyclist. This is clearly unacceptable and I hope that the police take action if this is the case. However the prominence given to this story and the inflammatory tone of the article is journalism of the lowest level. This week a child cyclist was seriously injured by a Taxi in Branksome. The road was closed as he was trapped under the Taxi and had to be released by ambulance staff. Although taken to hospital by ambulance the child should make a full recovery. I don't know who was at fault. Why was this story not covered at all? Does this paper believe that serious injury to a cyclist is unimportant and just not news worthy? MyViewpoint
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7:32pm Wed 24 Jun 09

r50mini says...

We seem to have lost common sense in this Country, and it shows in some of the above comments. What ever happened to accountability, the parent of this child blames the cyclist, however why was the parent not supervising their child. It is time that people learned a bit of respect for other users and educated themselves and their offspring and realised that the road's, promenade's and other open spaces are public and not for their sole use. Accidents happen and that is a fact.
We seem to have lost common sense in this Country, and it shows in some of the above comments. What ever happened to accountability, the parent of this child blames the cyclist, however why was the parent not supervising their child. It is time that people learned a bit of respect for other users and educated themselves and their offspring and realised that the road's, promenade's and other open spaces are public and not for their sole use. Accidents happen and that is a fact. r50mini
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8:16pm Wed 24 Jun 09

GB1980 says...

Xchurch-man wrote:
GB1980 wrote:
"Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!!" How is that ever going to work? Bicycles don't have number plates so none of your half-baked ideas are enforceable, and nobody is going to buy insurance when they don't need to are they? If any of your ideas are put into practice where will it end? Insurance for pushing a shopping trolley in case you bump into someone? Having to take a test to put on a pair of rollerskates? A ban on running on the promenade? If all the responsibility is placed on the cyclist the problem of people blundering around without looking where they're going will only get worse - why bother to look where you're going if you can just claim on someone's insurance? “He came from nowhere." No he didn't, he came from somewhere, you just didn't see him coming.
Bicycles don't need number plates for this to work. A police officer with a laser speed gun measures the speed of the offending cyclist from a distance as is done with cars and motorcycles. When the cycle passes the officer he requires it to stop (already a criminal offence not to stop when required to even for a pedestrian). The officer then requires the cyclist to provide his correct name and address (again already a criminal offence not to). A speeding (or other road traffic act) fine is then issued to the cyclist. Insurance would be recorded on a database as it is with car and motorcycle insurance, the name and address of the cyclist would show if they had it or not, again a fine if not. Uninsured cyclists involved in an accident would incur a fine as well as possible legal damages.
It's all about responsibility and complying with the law. Other road users have to do it why should cyclists be exempt or are you some form of higher life?
So now you're saying the promenade should be lined with police officers with speed cameras.
How will they "require" cyclists to stop? Chase them? Taser them? What about cyclists who never use the promenade? Will they still have to buy insurance as well or face a fine?
What about children, or toddlers on tricycles?
It's not about being "a higher form of life" it's about not introducing silly rules which can't be enforced.
[quote][p][bold]Xchurch-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GB1980[/bold] wrote: "Compulsory insurance and a test, and full compliance with the road traffic act or fines all round I say!!" How is that ever going to work? Bicycles don't have number plates so none of your half-baked ideas are enforceable, and nobody is going to buy insurance when they don't need to are they? If any of your ideas are put into practice where will it end? Insurance for pushing a shopping trolley in case you bump into someone? Having to take a test to put on a pair of rollerskates? A ban on running on the promenade? If all the responsibility is placed on the cyclist the problem of people blundering around without looking where they're going will only get worse - why bother to look where you're going if you can just claim on someone's insurance? “He came from nowhere." No he didn't, he came from somewhere, you just didn't see him coming.[/p][/quote]Bicycles don't need number plates for this to work. A police officer with a laser speed gun measures the speed of the offending cyclist from a distance as is done with cars and motorcycles. When the cycle passes the officer he requires it to stop (already a criminal offence not to stop when required to even for a pedestrian). The officer then requires the cyclist to provide his correct name and address (again already a criminal offence not to). A speeding (or other road traffic act) fine is then issued to the cyclist. Insurance would be recorded on a database as it is with car and motorcycle insurance, the name and address of the cyclist would show if they had it or not, again a fine if not. Uninsured cyclists involved in an accident would incur a fine as well as possible legal damages. It's all about responsibility and complying with the law. Other road users have to do it why should cyclists be exempt or are you some form of higher life?[/p][/quote]So now you're saying the promenade should be lined with police officers with speed cameras. How will they "require" cyclists to stop? Chase them? Taser them? What about cyclists who never use the promenade? Will they still have to buy insurance as well or face a fine? What about children, or toddlers on tricycles? It's not about being "a higher form of life" it's about not introducing silly rules which can't be enforced. GB1980
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8:29pm Wed 24 Jun 09

poolebabe says...

After walking along the prom today, I saw a lot of cyclists, I saw a lot of vans, a road train, dogs and pedestrians to. Out of everyone one cyclist was clearly traveling too fast, weaving in and out of the pedestrians with Ipod in his ears. It is THOSE people who need targetting, not ALL cyclists. I should also point out, there was a maintenance driver, in a van, easily driving faster than 10 miles an hour. :/ I cycle along the prom from time to time, but having walked today from Canford Cliffs to Alum Chine, I would not actually want to cycle in that area, during a hot day like today, along the narrow prom with so many people about. I am all for cycling. I do like the beach because in comparison to roads it is "safe" and an enjoyable form of exercise whilst enjoying everything the beach has to offer that I pay my taxes for. But might I just point out that the prom from Bournemouth Pier to Boscome and beyond, it is not a prom per se, but a road that is plenty wide enough with little obstruction and dangers from pedestrians and such. Perhaps those cyclists riding for pleasure not commuting, would be safer to ride there during busy times?? That's what I will be doing when I chose to cycle. With it being a "road" and less beach huts along the stretch, it is without doubt safer to cycle on for everyone. As for pushing the cycle along the prom, first off, what would be the point in that? and it wouldn't be so bad if you could ride through Branksome Gardens but you can't. :/
After walking along the prom today, I saw a lot of cyclists, I saw a lot of vans, a road train, dogs and pedestrians to. Out of everyone one cyclist was clearly traveling too fast, weaving in and out of the pedestrians with Ipod in his ears. It is THOSE people who need targetting, not ALL cyclists. I should also point out, there was a maintenance driver, in a van, easily driving faster than 10 miles an hour. :/ I cycle along the prom from time to time, but having walked today from Canford Cliffs to Alum Chine, I would not actually want to cycle in that area, during a hot day like today, along the narrow prom with so many people about. I am all for cycling. I do like the beach because in comparison to roads it is "safe" and an enjoyable form of exercise whilst enjoying everything the beach has to offer that I pay my taxes for. But might I just point out that the prom from Bournemouth Pier to Boscome and beyond, it is not a prom per se, but a road that is plenty wide enough with little obstruction and dangers from pedestrians and such. Perhaps those cyclists riding for pleasure not commuting, would be safer to ride there during busy times?? That's what I will be doing when I chose to cycle. With it being a "road" and less beach huts along the stretch, it is without doubt safer to cycle on for everyone. As for pushing the cycle along the prom, first off, what would be the point in that? and it wouldn't be so bad if you could ride through Branksome Gardens but you can't. :/ poolebabe
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1:24am Thu 25 Jun 09

Xchurch-man says...

GB1980 wrote, "It's not about being "a higher form of life" it's about not introducing silly rules which can't be enforced."
Sounds like any rule you don't like "cant be enforced".
What you mean is you choose not to comply with it.
GB1980 wrote, "It's not about being "a higher form of life" it's about not introducing silly rules which can't be enforced." Sounds like any rule you don't like "cant be enforced". What you mean is you choose not to comply with it. Xchurch-man
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2:16pm Thu 25 Jun 09

GB1980 says...

Xchurch-man wrote:
GB1980 wrote, "It's not about being "a higher form of life" it's about not introducing silly rules which can't be enforced."
Sounds like any rule you don't like "cant be enforced".
What you mean is you choose not to comply with it.
Sorry if I gave the impression that I'm a cyclist - I'm not.

A speed limit for bicycles can't be enforced because bicycles don't have speedometers, and fining people when they don't even know they've broken the rules would result in chaos in the courts.

Third party insurance for bicycles is unenforceable because bicycles don't have registration plates, not all cyclists carry ID, and you can't even buy insurance until you are 18 years old (many people cycle because they aren't old enough to drive a car).

If every cyclist on the promenade had insurance the number of cyclist v pedestrian collisions would skyrocket - why bother looking where you're going if you can claim big on someone's insurance?

Another way it could be viewed is to exclude anyone without insurance from the promenade would be to exclude anyone under the age of 18, which is indirect discrimination and illegal under the human rights act, so the council would get sued and my council tax bill would rise, which I don't want to happen.
[quote][p][bold]Xchurch-man[/bold] wrote: GB1980 wrote, "It's not about being "a higher form of life" it's about not introducing silly rules which can't be enforced." Sounds like any rule you don't like "cant be enforced". What you mean is you choose not to comply with it.[/p][/quote]Sorry if I gave the impression that I'm a cyclist - I'm not. A speed limit for bicycles can't be enforced because bicycles don't have speedometers, and fining people when they don't even know they've broken the rules would result in chaos in the courts. Third party insurance for bicycles is unenforceable because bicycles don't have registration plates, not all cyclists carry ID, and you can't even buy insurance until you are 18 years old (many people cycle because they aren't old enough to drive a car). If every cyclist on the promenade had insurance the number of cyclist v pedestrian collisions would skyrocket - why bother looking where you're going if you can claim big on someone's insurance? Another way it could be viewed is to exclude anyone without insurance from the promenade would be to exclude anyone under the age of 18, which is indirect discrimination and illegal under the human rights act, so the council would get sued and my council tax bill would rise, which I don't want to happen. GB1980
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2:27pm Thu 25 Jun 09

GB1980 says...

Perhaps a "happy medium" would be to install those flashing, speed-responsive signs to alert all promenade users of how fast they are travelling.

I've heard that they're about £20k per sign, but can you really put a price on health & safety?
Yes, about £20k per sign. I would prefer for my council tax bill not to rise.
Perhaps a "happy medium" would be to install those flashing, speed-responsive signs to alert all promenade users of how fast they are travelling. I've heard that they're about £20k per sign, but can you really put a price on health & safety? Yes, about £20k per sign. I would prefer for my council tax bill not to rise. GB1980
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