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Should overweight pay more to travel?


IT may have been a tongue-in-cheek comment by Ryanair boss Michael O’Leary to charge passengers £1 to use the toilets but it sparked outrage among passengers last year.

And now, never shy of controversy, the low-cost airline is mooting the possibility of a “fat tax” for overweight passengers, charging a fee for every kilogram or extra waist inch above the prescribed limits. The plan emerged after an online poll of Ryanair passengers found that one in three, around 30,000 people, favoured charging excess weight fees for very large passengers who invade the space of those sitting next to them.

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But yesterday astonished passengers at Bournemouth Airport questioned how the proposed tax would be implemented, branding the scheme “ridiculous” and “humiliating”.

Passenger Fergus Gray, 31, said: “This is ridiculous.

“It’s such a discriminatory Ryanair gimmick.

“It’s another example of our big brother society and a way to make more money out of people.”

Jackie Owen, who had just arrived from Dublin on holiday, added: “This is really not politically correct.

“It would be so embarrassing to be measured in public and how would it be governed anyway? I can’t see a way for them to do it without people getting upset.”

Annette Grace, 29, said: “It’s so humiliating.

“Some people have hormone or other health problems so can’t help it if they’re obese.

“I can see both sides but my immediate reaction is horror.”

Matt Gray said: “Yes, I agree it’s annoying if you’re next to somebody obese.

“Airlines should make seats bigger – passengers just don’t get enough space as it is.

“It’s not the passengers’ fault, it’s the airlines.”

If implemented, the “fat tax” could apply to every kg over 130kg/20 stone for men and 100kg/15 stone for women or every waist inch over 45 for men and 40 for women.

Ryanair spokesperson Stephen McNamara defended the charges and said that they might act as an incentive for those really large passengers to lose a little weight and feel lighter and healthier.



Your Say YourEcho

Peggy Babcock, Poole says...
7:45pm Thu 23 Apr 09

“Airlines should make seats bigger – passengers just don’t get enough space as it is.To quote Quagmire:

Fat chicks need love too...they just have to PAY!

miketheplumb, Poole says...
8:02pm Thu 23 Apr 09

Well done RyanAir.
You already pee people off with your overcharging of drinks in flight, and your proposed peetax. Talk about seizing the opportunity to squeeze the punter dry, and maximizing a captive audience.
You do actually want passengers to use your airline don't you??
Next you'll be charging people over 5'10" as you reduce the legroom to squeeze in more seats for the hordes you'll be carrying.

twynham, Christchurch says...
8:44pm Thu 23 Apr 09

“The plan emerged after an online poll of Ryanair passengers”
Oh! No it didn’t Katie Clark, this was a competition organised by Ryanair to see who could come up with the most comical supplementary charge to subsidise their low fares. (OK; I voted for this one) Please use a little investigative journalism and go to http://www.ryanair.c
om/site/EN/news.php?
yr=09&month=apr&stor
y=gen-en-220409 to report the true story; a Sun journalist in the making methinks.
And as for squeezing the punters dry miketheplumb, I went to Girona for £20 return last week and am going again next month for £10 return, then in July I am going to Reus for £14 return. Hell of a carbon footprint I know, but if you can go without booze for a couple of hours, cheaper than the train to Weymouth!

Dorset_Born_n_Bread !, Poole/Helsinki says...
8:57pm Thu 23 Apr 09

What about pregnant women?

I thought airlines as a safety check had to allow for overcalculations in passenger/fuel weight ratio's as a part of air traffic checks? Why dont we ask someone opinion from the world renowned Bournemouth Air TRaffic Training Centre?

security word says it all: lack-fair

manana, southbourne says...
8:59pm Thu 23 Apr 09

twynham wrote:
“The plan emerged after an online poll of Ryanair passengers” Oh! No it didn’t Katie Clark, this was a competition organised by Ryanair to see who could come up with the most comical supplementary charge to subsidise their low fares. (OK; I voted for this one) Please use a little investigative journalism and go to http://www.ryanair.c om/site/EN/news.php? yr=09&month=apr&
amp;stor y=gen-en-220409 to report the true story; a Sun journalist in the making methinks. And as for squeezing the punters dry miketheplumb, I went to Girona for £20 return last week and am going again next month for £10 return, then in July I am going to Reus for £14 return. Hell of a carbon footprint I know, but if you can go without booze for a couple of hours, cheaper than the train to Weymouth!
Exactly! You dont have to buy anything to eat or drink on this airline and if you are travelling with just a flight bag, which most are, then it still works out a damm sight cheaper than other airlines. Its a flying bus which suits most of the people on it.

twynham, Christchurch says...
9:18pm Thu 23 Apr 09

That’s a good point Manana, I wonder if Michael O’Leary would consider accepting my bus pass?
Sorry about the repeated comments folks!

dopey, says...
9:22pm Thu 23 Apr 09

Dorset_Born_n_Bread !, Poole/Helsinki asks :-

What about pregnant women?

Guess if they give birth on board, they will have to pay for the child's fare on arrival !

Anyway, I think the weight/size idea should work both ways...i.e. if your thin/short you get a discount.

Rio23, new milton says...
11:54pm Thu 23 Apr 09

Pregnant women should not be flying
when they are that big anyway so it wouldnt be an issue.

jimmybhoy, Bangkok says...
5:06am Fri 24 Apr 09

There should be a weight limit, the more weight on the plane the more expensive it is to fly, there should be a joint weight limit, passenger + luggage,if the passenger is a big fat bloater he has a choice, pay for an extra seat or take less luggage, why should normal people pay to have some big fatso squeezing next to them

Por Speller, Kinson says...
5:42am Fri 24 Apr 09

As the aviation community already refer to passengers as "self-loading cargo", why not take this all the way and charge ALL passengers by weight i.e. average passengers pay a fair price, kids and spindlies pay less, tubbies shell out the extra fare to pay for their lack of self-control.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\Go for it, Michael! (think of the extra publicity)

miketheplumb, Poole says...
6:07am Fri 24 Apr 09

Hmmm, as already pointed out, overweight is NOT always down to "a lack of self control".

gerbil112, Poole says...
7:10am Fri 24 Apr 09

Reading the article on the Ryanair website, it does appear very tongue-in-cheek, particularly as they are now asking people to vote on how the charges should be implimented: http://www.ryanair.c
om/site/EN/news.php?
yr=09&month=apr&stor
y=gen-en-220409

poolebabe, poole says...
8:09am Fri 24 Apr 09

miketheplumb wrote:
Hmmm, as already pointed out, overweight is NOT always down to "a lack of self control".
But the majority of the time it is. I have been obese and have yo-yo'ed pretty much all my life. I have gained control and am now slim. I do understand how difficult it is for people who are over weight, I have been there and if I don't keep in control I will be back where I started, but I, like the majority of overweight people, are so, or have been through choice. If people genuinely have a disability then they should be exempt. The GP should be able to advise on that and provide evidence for those with a genuine problem. It's a sensitive problem, but understandable. A total weight allowance would be an idea as someone suggested. Weight and luggage combined.

2Much...again!, Ringwood says...
8:30am Fri 24 Apr 09

Just booked for Carcassonne in June. Going to spend a few days with my best mate of 32 years who lives there!
£12 return?..I'm not going to grumble about ryanair!!

EdBmth, Bournemouth says...
8:37am Fri 24 Apr 09

twynham wrote:
“The plan emerged after an online poll of Ryanair passengers” Oh! No it didn’t Katie Clark, this was a competition organised by Ryanair to see who could come up with the most comical supplementary charge to subsidise their low fares. (OK; I voted for this one) Please use a little investigative journalism and go to http://www.ryanair.c om/site/EN/news.php? yr=09&month=apr&
amp;stor y=gen-en-220409 to report the true story; a Sun journalist in the making methinks. And as for squeezing the punters dry miketheplumb, I went to Girona for £20 return last week and am going again next month for £10 return, then in July I am going to Reus for £14 return. Hell of a carbon footprint I know, but if you can go without booze for a couple of hours, cheaper than the train to Weymouth!
Oh yes it did. Ryanair held the competition orghanised by Ryanair for people to suggest the latest surcharge. People then voted on it even you admitted that you voted on it therefore it was an on-line poll, just as has been reported in the article.

billy_the_kid, bournemouth says...
9:30am Fri 24 Apr 09

“Airlines should make seats bigger – passengers just don’t get enough space as it is.ITS ALL A MARKETING PLOY, BUT IT GOT YOU TALKING!!!!!!!

twynham, Christchurch says...
9:45am Fri 24 Apr 09

EdBmth wrote:
twynham wrote: “The plan emerged after an online poll of Ryanair passengers” Oh! No it didn’t Katie Clark, this was a competition organised by Ryanair to see who could come up with the most comical supplementary charge to subsidise their low fares. (OK; I voted for this one) Please use a little investigative journalism and go to http://www.ryanair.c om/site/EN/news.php? yr=09&month=apr&
amp; amp;stor y=gen-en-220409 to report the true story; a Sun journalist in the making methinks. And as for squeezing the punters dry miketheplumb, I went to Girona for £20 return last week and am going again next month for £10 return, then in July I am going to Reus for £14 return. Hell of a carbon footprint I know, but if you can go without booze for a couple of hours, cheaper than the train to Weymouth!
Oh yes it did. Ryanair held the competition orghanised by Ryanair for people to suggest the latest surcharge. People then voted on it even you admitted that you voted on it therefore it was an on-line poll, just as has been reported in the article.
Competition or poll, it was a wind up and not meant to be taken seriously, certainly not seriously enough to send a journalist to Hurn Airport to interview passengers.
Other suggestions were charging for the use of oxygen masks and a swipe card next to the emergency chute in the event of an accident! Ryanair even produced their own comical version of the emergency procedure leaflet.(available for 25p)
To see a copy, go to http://s55.photobuck
et.com/albums/g159/t
wynham/?action=view&
current=Ryanair.jpg


djd, bournemouth says...
9:53am Fri 24 Apr 09

Have you ever travelled on a plane with a 'large' person next to you. We travelled from New York to Bournemouth a couple of years ago with a 'large' person in one of the three seats (not Ryanair) and it was agony for me.
I agree it's not always that person's fault but give a thought for whoever is sitting in the next seat.

Laurie Marsh, brisbane says...
1:38pm Fri 24 Apr 09

djd wrote:
Have you ever travelled on a plane with a 'large' person next to you. We travelled from New York to Bournemouth a couple of years ago with a 'large' person in one of the three seats (not Ryanair) and it was agony for me. I agree it's not always that person's fault but give a thought for whoever is sitting in the next seat.
You are dead right!
I travelled from Brisbane to Cairns next to a "fat unit" he got most upset when I told him that his seat ended at the arm rest between us!
He spent the entire flight blocking half of the isle!
If someone is sick, fair enough, if they over-eat, their choice!

bex1984, poole says...
1:44pm Fri 24 Apr 09

to be honest i am a size 8 and even i think the plane seats are too small. They cram us all in its horrible. What will they define as 'fat' 'obese' ...yes if you are very obese and cant even fit into a plane seat then that is an issue, i wouldnt wana be next to that person as it would take up my space as well. Maybe they need to build a few rows of chairs for the overweight people where there is more room for them to fit. its all about cramming people in = more bums on seats = more money for the airlines

Chris..., says...
5:17pm Fri 24 Apr 09

I have not heard so much rubbish from Ryanair and some of the comments on this forum. I am not small go, but I am not a big guy, and I would take umbrance at having to pay more, when it has nothing to do with the flight logistics or plans.

An American Airline done this back a few years, and it caused mayhem, until they decided to adopt the more nicer route. People over a certain wait purchased two tickets, and were given a ticket and a reserve seat card. This worked for a while. Later the airline put in bigger seats.

This is the problem. Most if not all airlines cram in the seats for money making, including RobbinAir. Instead of making stupid looking aircraft with double decks, why not add wider seats.

Anyway, if you think RobbinAir are that good, then take a look at this training video by typing the link into your browser. Be advised this is from an undercover trainee.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=ZkKPirksy
mQ


grimreaper, Ensbury Park says...
6:12pm Fri 24 Apr 09

I weigh 9.5st why should I have to pay the same for my ticket as someone who weighs 20 or 30st and still be restricted to the same baggage allowance ??

Anyone over a healthy weight should be charged excess baggage rates !!

twynham, Christchurch says...
10:25pm Fri 24 Apr 09

Chris... wrote:
I have not heard so much rubbish from Ryanair and some of the comments on this forum. I am not small go, but I am not a big guy, and I would take umbrance at having to pay more, when it has nothing to do with the flight logistics or plans. An American Airline done this back a few years, and it caused mayhem, until they decided to adopt the more nicer route. People over a certain wait purchased two tickets, and were given a ticket and a reserve seat card. This worked for a while. Later the airline put in bigger seats. This is the problem. Most if not all airlines cram in the seats for money making, including RobbinAir. Instead of making stupid looking aircraft with double decks, why not add wider seats. Anyway, if you think RobbinAir are that good, then take a look at this training video by typing the link into your browser. Be advised this is from an undercover trainee. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=ZkKPirksy mQ
Chris, you think Ryanair are bad, see what our northern neighbours had to put up with before they moved down here.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=6VLYpKGVB
Ug

EGHH, says...
4:27pm Sat 25 Apr 09

I now hear that Ryanair will be offering a discounted fare for those that are underweight. However you will need a medical note to state you are below the BMI for sex / age...

rook, wimborne says...
9:53am Wed 29 Apr 09

I think a person's height should be taken into consideration as well - you can't help if you happen to grow to seven foot fifteen, but if you can afford all the food to be 40 stone then you can certainly pay a bit extra to fly.

Likewise, two small people should be allowed to share a seat if they choose.

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