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£26M TO REBUILD SPUR ROAD


THE notorious A338 Bournemouth Spur Road is set for a “rebuild” in a £26m investment programme.

The “major maintenance scheme”, which is likely to cause massive disruption, will take place on the six miles between Cooper Dean and Ashley Heath.

Highway chiefs say the road is “worn out”.

Money for the scheme has been released by the South West Regional Development Agency as the government pumps more money for infrastructure projects into the economy during the recession.

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Final confirmation, though, is still to come from the Department of Transport.

Head of Highways at Dorset County Council Andy Ackerman told the Echo: “Maintenance is quite an expensive operation but this is to go all the way from Cooper Dean to Ashley Heath.

“The general intention there is to reconstruct all of that carriageway between those two points, recycling as much of the material as we can while we’re doing that. This is really because the road itself is pretty weak.

“The road has exceeded its design life because there are so many vehicles, up to 60,000 a day, travelling on it. In essence, it’s worn out.”

Diversions will be set up where necessary, with Matchams Lane and the A31 being two options. Mr Ackerman said contraflows would be used as much as possible with disruption “kept to a minimum.”

“Although things like additional lanes have been talked about, the need is urgent to mend the road and put an end to the continual disruption.”

The bulk of the work will be carried out in 2010/11.

County councillor and vice chairman of the county’s police authority, Cllr John Lofts last night described the spur road as “quite useless” and said: “This is long overdue. The biggest problem for drivers is one of reliability. You can never be certain if it will be open or not.”

RDA figures show £5m has been allocated for 2009/10 and £21m for 2010/11.

The spur road section of the A338 has been controversial because of its poor accident record, frequent closures and design deficiencies, including the short slip roads at the Blackwater junction.

Experts have already been asked to look at improving the junction.

Christchurch Borough councillor David Fox, who is also Dorset county councillor for the Hurn area, said: “There is a great deal of unease over the idea of using Matchams Lane as a diversion route if the works on the Spur Road get the go ahead.

“Anybody who can suggest Matchams Lane as a viable alternative obviously hasn’t been there. It is not a suitable road for this volume of traffic. There is potential for chaos.

“Although the plans are not at a definite stage the feeling of unease could break out into anger if these proposals go ahead.”

The quality of driving is also part of the problem on the road.

As long ago as 1996 county highways chiefs said they could barely keep up with repairs needed to safety barriers because of “lunatic drivers.”


Comments(51)

Aussie God from Winton says...
7:53am Tue 31 Mar 09

County councillor and vice chairman of the county’s police authority, Cllr John Lofts last night described the spur road as “quite useless” and said: “This is long overdue. The biggest problem for drivers is one of reliability. You can never be certain if it will be open or not.”

This road is certainly not usless, it is vital.

These road works will cause more problems than any closures due poor driving.

Cant wait

Aussie God from Winton says...
8:06am Tue 31 Mar 09

I love the thought of
"government pumps more money for infrastructure projects into the economy during the recession."

Ok so some road builder gets to stand around doing not much while 60,000 people a day have to pay with their time and petrol as they sit in queue's of traffic and also take longer routes to work.

I do not think this will help with my financial budgeting, I will be spending less time at home and who knows if I am late enough I may get sacked, but if it gives a road bulider some m oney to spank down the pub then I am sooo happy.

I can see more recession busting project coming for the goverment just so they try and save their ****, well this one does not do it for me, try a little harder.

ry8000 says...
8:29am Tue 31 Mar 09

I think they're right, this road does need replacing, urgently. But what about every other road in Bournemouth?... most of which are literally falling apart. It's worse here than many third-world countries... and that's no exaggeration!!

ry8000 says...
8:32am Tue 31 Mar 09

... and following from my point above, I bet we pay more than most people in other countries for our roads. We SHOULD have the best in the world for the price we pay!! What happened to value for money?... I don't see any here!!!!

2Much...again! says...
8:34am Tue 31 Mar 09

"Although things like additional lanes have been talked about, the need is urgent to mend the road and put an end to the continual disruption.”

Oh come on!
You closed this road not so long ago to re-surface...no wonder everyone is running out of money..it's always blooming' wasted!

The need is for additional lanes...if we're going to have to have to face hours of traffic delays yet again, then let's at least have something to look forward to at the end of it..oh and maybe some traffic police directing traffic at alternative routes!!!

alumchineboy2 says...
8:47am Tue 31 Mar 09

I recently made enquiries with the council as to why we have third world standard roads around Alum Chine and Westbourne and was told that there was no money in the pot and the govt was to blame blah blah........

Since this time there has been a continuous amount of large projects mentioned spending millions on roads that are perfectly okay.

How about looking closer to home Dorset County council. Alumhurst road is the worst road in Dorset. Please do something about it.

Emulated says...
8:47am Tue 31 Mar 09

"As long ago as 1996 county highways chiefs said they could barely keep up with repairs needed to safety barriers because of “lunatic drivers.”
Nothings much changed there then except they are now completely insane and we have more of them.

verwoodbadger says...
9:05am Tue 31 Mar 09

Why don't they just build another dual carriageway alongside the existing road? Then when one road is worn out and needs reparing they can just open the 'spare' road! It's got to be cost effective as the current spur road is always being closed for repair at great cost to the population and the economy!

Maggie69 says...
9:06am Tue 31 Mar 09

Blackwater Junction is long overdue for redesigning but other than that I don't see how resurfacing the road or building extra lanes is going to stop delays which are largely caused by people driving like idiots. The road is constantly closed because of rush hour accidents, not road repairs.

magicmonkey says...
9:33am Tue 31 Mar 09

As a regular user of the road I would say that Maggie69 has hit the nail on the head.



bmthtony says...
9:44am Tue 31 Mar 09

Surely at the same time as this major work they should put in a dedicated sliproad for the airport.

Hobie18007 says...
9:58am Tue 31 Mar 09

verwoodbadger wrote:
Why don't they just build another dual carriageway alongside the existing road? Then when one road is worn out and needs reparing they can just open the 'spare' road! It's got to be cost effective as the current spur road is always being closed for repair at great cost to the population and the economy!
Of all the hairbrained ideas, this one surpasses all. And just where alongside do you propose?

squasher says...
10:14am Tue 31 Mar 09

Surely it's simply a case of closing one carriageway for repair and making the other two way with 30mph limit. How come it has 'exceeded its design life'. If its more than just resurfacing then there is a fundamental design fault which the contractors should rectify.
Why not reduce the speed limit to 50mph and save lives and £26M.

rook says...
10:30am Tue 31 Mar 09

Hobie18007 wrote:
verwoodbadger wrote:
Why don't they just build another dual carriageway alongside the existing road? Then when one road is worn out and needs reparing they can just open the 'spare' road! It's got to be cost effective as the current spur road is always being closed for repair at great cost to the population and the economy!
Of all the hairbrained ideas, this one surpasses all. And just where alongside do you propose?
I think Mr Badger might have been joking, however, I have a better idea .... why not build a tunnel UNDER the current spur road, then when the work is finished we could have four lanes in each direction.

P.S. why is the road named after a London football team? There must be some better suggestions!

John T says...
10:52am Tue 31 Mar 09

rook,Wimborne
In answer to your P.S.question, perhaps Crawley Town Link Road may be a more appropriate name!

Lord Spring says...
11:09am Tue 31 Mar 09

When motorways have reconstruction work carried out it is 24 hour job not 8am till 4pm job as Dorset Council employ. One would not mind the inconvience for two thirds less time to complete the contract. Also employing more labour as the recession should all be over by then so Gordon tells us

Lord Spring says...
11:11am Tue 31 Mar 09

It is called the Spur road as their manager use it to get to work

Maureen Arthur says...
11:23am Tue 31 Mar 09

ski wrote:
Nothing wrong with the road,it is the crap drivers that are the problem for example the recent Clio accident,cars do not just turn over,it is easy to blame the road for bad driving.
FYI moron, she had a tyre blow out.

Still feeling smug?

djd says...
11:56am Tue 31 Mar 09

This is just a 'quick-fix' for what is an ongoing problem. The road has proved vital to the infrastructure.
Why don't they put in extra lanes whilst re-surfacing it or are they waiting for the next recession ???

ben111 says...
12:03pm Tue 31 Mar 09

It is just sheer numbers of cars and speed , it is well known if you build more roads youjust end up wth more cars , not really the answer, I say we should get back to bikes and horses

jonpds says...
12:06pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Highways have just fiddled and achieved what ??? Now they want to dig it all up and replace with 2 lanes why ??? Only worth the pain & expense if they make it 3 lane. The slow people who sit in the outer lane at 55mph can move over & hopefully there will be less accidents.

Less fiddling, better roads.

miketheplumb says...
12:33pm Tue 31 Mar 09

So according to squasher going at 50mph doesn't wear the road out then.
Cool, so if it that's the case, why do we pay such huge road tax? Oh I know so people in their little ol' battery cars can toodle along and not wear the road out. Come on guys, this is primary link road to London, we need it in good shape for the the gazillions of tourists that'll come for the olympics. It's not bad enough that after their trip down the motorway, they get to dorset and trundle along behind a tractor as they try to get to Weymouth!

pliglet says...
1:02pm Tue 31 Mar 09

rebuilding solves one problem, but I bet it will still be closed because of accidents. Too many people speeding down that road - put cameras on it, bring in some revenue to help pay for it!!

pebble says...
1:09pm Tue 31 Mar 09

"...so many vehicles"?60,000 cars per day. Even using a 12 hour day - that 250 cars an hour, 12 hours a day. Thats 36000 cars going one way in a 12 hour period, and 36000 coming the other way in the same 12 hour period. 250 cars an hour. Its not exactly a lot is it. That many cars try to get out of cattlepoint at any one hour. And look at the picture. Its not excatly a busy road is it. The only time the road is congested is due to muppets closing the road at every opportunity for accidents, or road works all the time. I havent walked up and down the road to see how bad it is, but it looks pretty good to me. And why this talk of three lanes. Whats the point! "Notorious A338" Whats notorious about it. Its about as straight as they come. They only thing thats notorious is that it gets shut for hours at a time. So they spend months and millions making the road last longer. Do you honestly think thats going to stop it being closed all the time? Id question how many accidents have been due to the road surface. Bad/fast driving more like. Spend the money on the local pot holes.

Richard45 says...
1:11pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Why not a high speed rail link from Bournemouth to a big Park & Ride in Cadnam? It woudl encourage tourists to leave their cars outside the town and perhaps reduce the traffic around Ringwood too. If it only took ten minutes & was cheap enough I might use it for my daily commute too

verwoodbadger says...
1:24pm Tue 31 Mar 09

rook wrote:
Hobie18007 wrote:
verwoodbadger wrote: Why don't they just build another dual carriageway alongside the existing road? Then when one road is worn out and needs reparing they can just open the 'spare' road! It's got to be cost effective as the current spur road is always being closed for repair at great cost to the population and the economy!
Of all the hairbrained ideas, this one surpasses all. And just where alongside do you propose?
I think Mr Badger might have been joking, however, I have a better idea .... why not build a tunnel UNDER the current spur road, then when the work is finished we could have four lanes in each direction. P.S. why is the road named after a London football team? There must be some better suggestions!
Why not build another road alongside the existing one? It does make sense...!
When the issue of widening the M25 to the west of London was first raised people said that there was no need; all we needed was a new road surface.
I think that now the work on the M25 has been completed it completely vindicates those who advocated the extra lanes. Drive it yourself an see the differance it makes compared to how it used to be!
All we would need on the 'Spurs' road is an extra lane (or two)on each side; it would make all the differance to traffic flow. Mind you we'd probably end up with quiet a bottle-neck and queues at the ASDA/Bournemouth Interchange roundabout from all those extra vehicles!!
If the road is resurfaced without any widening then in 2 to 3 years we'll be having this conversation again!
For years roads users been paying road tax which has been used on just about anything but new roads. It's about time the government realised that we desperately need new, wider roads!

rook says...
1:49pm Tue 31 Mar 09

pebble wrote:
"...so many vehicles"?60,000 cars per day. Even using a 12 hour day - that 250 cars an hour, 12 hours a day. Thats 36000 cars going one way in a 12 hour period, and 36000 coming the other way in the same 12 hour period. 250 cars an hour. Its not exactly a lot is it. That many cars try to get out of cattlepoint at any one hour. And look at the picture. Its not excatly a busy road is it. The only time the road is congested is due to muppets closing the road at every opportunity for accidents, or road works all the time. I havent walked up and down the road to see how bad it is, but it looks pretty good to me. And why this talk of three lanes. Whats the point! "Notorious A338" Whats notorious about it. Its about as straight as they come. They only thing thats notorious is that it gets shut for hours at a time. So they spend months and millions making the road last longer. Do you honestly think thats going to stop it being closed all the time? Id question how many accidents have been due to the road surface. Bad/fast driving more like. Spend the money on the local pot holes.
I agree that bad driving has a lot to do with the delays - if everyone went faster they'd be off the road sooner, so there would be less delays.

However, 60,000 divided by 24 hours is 2,500 per hour or about 40 cars per minute at any particular point.

yourbard says...
2:01pm Tue 31 Mar 09

John T wrote:
rook,Wimborne In answer to your P.S.question, perhaps Crawley Town Link Road may be a more appropriate name!
Surely a team which means more to local people would be more appropriate - how about Man Utd Way?
If the Highway Chiefs have £26m for worn-out things, I'm feeling very worn out reading about yet another pending infrastructure farce.

pebble says...
2:03pm Tue 31 Mar 09

yes i agree rook, i only used 12 hours as a peak example though.

exnorthener says...
2:07pm Tue 31 Mar 09

I just hope that the cost of this job will actually come out of our road tax for a change (ah ah)

Uncommon Sense says...
3:49pm Tue 31 Mar 09

I see Ben wrote that building more roads means more cars on the road. The usual trite nonsense trotted out by the Eco lobby.

Get real, whatever happens there are always more cars on the road.

magicmonkey says...
3:53pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Vehicle Excise Duty, although commonly referred to as road tax, is not set aside for spending on roads, the entire proceeds contributing to central government revenues.

In other words once you pay your road tax, the govt can do what they like with the cash.


ski says...
3:57pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Maureen Arthur wrote:
ski wrote: Nothing wrong with the road,it is the crap drivers that are the problem for example the recent Clio accident,cars do not just turn over,it is easy to blame the road for bad driving.
FYI moron, she had a tyre blow out. Still feeling smug?
Who says she had a blow out?If it was let me say I have had a tyre blow out before and never turned a car over,she was either going too fast,or just an inexperienced driver.Is everybody who does not agree with you a moron? I se that you do not disagree with the fact that it is bad drivers on the spur road that are the problem.

Richard45 says...
4:22pm Tue 31 Mar 09

How about a variable peak time congestion charge with exemption for locals, tourists could avoid it by coming in by train or on Park and Ride buses. London gets away with it. Any revenue could be put toward completing the new surf reef. It woudl cut down traffic, and make lorries think about going down the A31 at peak times instead

roamer100 says...
4:36pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Have we all forgotten last Summer..Not only accidents close the roads but Traffic Surveys. I have never been stuck on the spur road because of congestion and yes the Blackwater junction is badly designed but all it needs is a longer slip road. However, I am sure that as there are very few residential areas nearby, they will work 24hrs and complete it in half the time !!! yeah right. PS bet the work over runs!!

John T says...
4:38pm Tue 31 Mar 09

yourbard wrote:
John T wrote: rook,Wimborne In answer to your P.S.question, perhaps Crawley Town Link Road may be a more appropriate name!
Surely a team which means more to local people would be more appropriate - how about Man Utd Way? If the Highway Chiefs have £26m for worn-out things, I'm feeling very worn out reading about yet another pending infrastructure farce.
yourbard
With your name, I am surprised you may not have appreciated that the reference to Crawley Town Link Road was a play on words.

Richard45 says...
4:47pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Or you could spend the money turning the stretch of the A31 from Ashley Heath all the way into Poole into a dual carriageway (getting rid of the roundabouts) to make it a viable alternate route

Chris... says...
5:20pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Well at least all those who usually whinge at the closure of the A338, have been for warned, so there should be no need for further whinging. But remember to keep your eyes open for the date to come.

Everyone speculates as to how a road reconstruction will work, and summise that the whole road will close. I would imagine that one side will be closed for restructure, whilst the other will act as a contraflow, with a much slower speed limit. Signs may be put in to place to ensure only Bournemouth Town traffic use the south run, and traffic going west and west of town, continue on the the A31. Like wise those going to the BIA, as well as the Matchams Road. Traffic for east of town and coming from the east can take the A35.

I would assume at nights, further restrictions to the A338 will be added for safety reasons.

If drivers adhere to the changes, and the signage in place traffic flow should be kept going. It is only when drivers do not read the roads, or listen to instructions, or wathc out for such things.

Know your roads, know how to drive.

Simples.

Maureen Arthur says...
5:58pm Tue 31 Mar 09

ski wrote:
Maureen Arthur wrote:
ski wrote: Nothing wrong with the road,it is the crap drivers that are the problem for example the recent Clio accident,cars do not just turn over,it is easy to blame the road for bad driving.
FYI moron, she had a tyre blow out. Still feeling smug?
Who says she had a blow out?If it was let me say I have had a tyre blow out before and never turned a car over,she was either going too fast,or just an inexperienced driver.Is everybody who does not agree with you a moron? I se that you do not disagree with the fact that it is bad drivers on the spur road that are the problem.
Hi,

Moron because you rattled off a flippant comment about an incident that you / I have little knowledge of, aside from one of the facts that emerged was a tyre blow out (cannot recall the exact date but was in the news just after accident). Second, I bow to your superior driving skills and agree that you could probably still arrive at your destination with all four tyres gone, no engine or steering wheel. Thirdly, I have not called everybody a moron, just you. Yes, there are crap drivers on the road, as with most roads - that would seem a pretty obvious statement to make and was left to you to remark on, respect!

grimreaper says...
6:06pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Tonights HEADLINE :
60,000
YES 60 thousand vehicles a day use the Spur Road !!

Where did the ECHO get those figures from ???

Or was that just another excusible TYPO ???

X Old Bill says...
8:37pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Having had some experience of extrapolating statistics, can I suggest the following.

At a very busy time an Echo reporter's assistant looked out of the pub window and counted 21 cars passing over the Cooper Dean flyover in the space of one minute.
Multiply by 2 for the other lane, Multiply by 1440 for the whole day, Round it down to allow for night and there you have it. UP TO Sixty Thousand!

nobull says...
9:20pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Why not let the road return to a gravel track all the nutters would have to slow down there would not be so many accidents xx

whu222 says...
9:24pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Why 4 months to repair / replace a 5 mile stretch of road. I was in Florida 3 years ago and witnessed a 10 mile stretch of a four lane dual carriage way (I4 at Davenport)being totally replaced and repaired in 3 weeks.

Why can't we do this in England? The contract for this repair must ensure work is undertaken 24 hours a day, not just 10 am to 4pm Monday to Friday when the sun shines!

signup says...
9:59pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Why don't the people who need the Spur Road to get to work, move out of Bournemouth to the town where they work.

DanAFCB says...
10:04pm Tue 31 Mar 09

Put the money to good use, like the NHS or something..... I travel all over the south of England and listen to the traffic news all day, very rarely do you here of an accident/closure on the spur road, is it that they need to use their budget so they can get more next year!!! Inexperienced/bad driving is the causes of most accidents, and not the excessive speed of a motorist!!!! Maybe it is the mobile camera sites that are paying, make the road straighter, we can drive faster, then they make revenue when they hide on the side of road!!!

boardstiff says...
10:47pm Tue 31 Mar 09

signup wrote:
Why don't the people who need the Spur Road to get to work, move out of Bournemouth to the town where they work.
Possibly because most of them live outside of Bournemouth and drive in to work there.

Aussie God from Winton says...
11:40pm Tue 31 Mar 09

I would suggest the number of cars came from those surveys they did , perhaps

John T says...
5:24am Wed 1 Apr 09

boardstiff wrote:
signup wrote: Why don't the people who need the Spur Road to get to work, move out of Bournemouth to the town where they work.
Possibly because most of them live outside of Bournemouth and drive in to work there.
Why don't the Council get their claws in with the workers,like with the students, and not allow them to bring there cars to Bournemouth?! Problem solved.

boardstiff says...
7:53am Wed 1 Apr 09

John T wrote:
boardstiff wrote:
signup wrote: Why don't the people who need the Spur Road to get to work, move out of Bournemouth to the town where they work.
Possibly because most of them live outside of Bournemouth and drive in to work there.
Why don't the Council get their claws in with the workers,like with the students, and not allow them to bring there cars to Bournemouth?! Problem solved.
Possibly - and I say only possibly - because there are plans to tax businesses on the number of parking spaces they have and that the council makes money from parking (whether it's their own car parking or the business rates they receive from private operators)

frarog says...
2:18pm Wed 1 Apr 09

They would be far better getting a bypass from the Highcliff/Stewarts area across to the Blackwater junction first. Thus taking a vast amount of congestion away from Christchurch, Barrack Road and Castle Lane East.
This would be much better.

EGHH says...
10:15pm Sun 5 Apr 09

Its a pity the M27 wasn't extended in the 1970s when the EU was offering money to do it. Still the tree huggers are happy I guess.

There is so much free land by the side of it why don't they put extra lanes in!

We need roads. When you go to the shops and buy stuff how does it get there? By trucks! Not by trains!!


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