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Overturned car causes four hour hold-up on Spur Road


THE Spur Road was completely blocked southbound on Wednesday after a car overturned on the A338 - some motorists were stuck in the jam for four hours.

The A338 was shut southbound between the B3073 Blackwater junction bridge and the Cooper Dean flyover, heading to Bournemouth.

A woman and a six-month-old baby were in a blue Renault Clio which ended up on its roof, at around 7.10am in lane one southbound.

The driver got herself and the child out of the vehicle. There were two ambulances at the scene, and because they were in lane two, police closed the road. There was also debris on the road. The carriageway was finally re-opened at around 10.50am.

The driver has suspected back and whiplash injuries and the baby has a suspected foot injury.

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Comments(78)

IFADave says...
10:21am Wed 18 Mar 09

having spent over an Hour in the car this morning for what normally takes 15 mins, i was under the impression a fatalaty had occured on the spur road and fully understood the delays. After getting to work and finiding out that the car has merely been in an accident with the occupants having minor injuries, what are the police playing at closing the spur road for so long and causing massive traffic problems. They really need to get their act together as their must have been withensses at the time of the accident who would have stopped.

blue-eyes says...
10:52am Wed 18 Mar 09

IFADave wrote:
having spent over an Hour in the car this morning for what normally takes 15 mins, i was under the impression a fatalaty had occured on the spur road and fully understood the delays. After getting to work and finiding out that the car has merely been in an accident with the occupants having minor injuries, what are the police playing at closing the spur road for so long and causing massive traffic problems. They really need to get their act together as their must have been withensses at the time of the accident who would have stopped.
I heard about the accident on local radio around 7.30am and left hoping to avoid the inevitable traffic problems on my way in to Bournemouth. I did, thankfully. I just hope the baby is ok. Unlike some, if the road is closed for an ambulance to attend to an injured baby, I would have to say that I'd rather the road was closed and I was late for work, than to think that I considered myself and my employer more important than the life a small baby!

pliglet says...
11:01am Wed 18 Mar 09

We are all glad occupants ok, but no excuse for taking nearly 4 hours to clear the road.

IFADave says...
11:27am Wed 18 Mar 09

blue-eyes wrote:
IFADave wrote: having spent over an Hour in the car this morning for what normally takes 15 mins, i was under the impression a fatalaty had occured on the spur road and fully understood the delays. After getting to work and finiding out that the car has merely been in an accident with the occupants having minor injuries, what are the police playing at closing the spur road for so long and causing massive traffic problems. They really need to get their act together as their must have been withensses at the time of the accident who would have stopped.
I heard about the accident on local radio around 7.30am and left hoping to avoid the inevitable traffic problems on my way in to Bournemouth. I did, thankfully. I just hope the baby is ok. Unlike some, if the road is closed for an ambulance to attend to an injured baby, I would have to say that I'd rather the road was closed and I was late for work, than to think that I considered myself and my employer more important than the life a small baby!
I fully apreciate what your saying, but it doesnt take 4 hours to get an ambulance clear of the accident. The ambulance was on the scene within 20 mins. Surely the road could have been reopened within 1hr, 1 and half maximum. NOT 4 HOURS.

Julian Davies says...
11:33am Wed 18 Mar 09

Why no traffic police keeping the diverted traffic flowing? Ferndown was at a standstill this morning. I'm glad the occupants of the car survived relatively unharmed, but what a complete shambles closing the road caused. And three and a half hours to sweep up? The mess must have been knee deep!

djd says...
11:35am Wed 18 Mar 09

You forget about the Elf & safety aspect. Who is going to right the car? Who is going to clear the carriageway? how long did it take for the Paramedics to deal with the casualties at the scene before taking them to hospital???
At that time of the morning, perhaps the recovery driver had to be called from home and collact his truck before getting to the scene of the accident (was he was caught in the same traffic). The Council workers who cleared the road of debris no doubt had to be called out from home and they too, had to get to the scene.
It's very easy to criticise the time the road was clsoed, perhaps it was excessive, but I'm sure the police officers wanted to keep it closed no longer than necessary.

Lord Spring says...
11:41am Wed 18 Mar 09

Can we blame it on snow and ice or a narrow winding road ? ,
More haste less speed on old saying but how true!!

Oldalbanian says...
11:43am Wed 18 Mar 09

In Germany the road is cleared as a matter of priority after any accident even when there has been a fatality.

This morning's fiasco can as usual be laid at the door of the Dorset Police Service (I use the word Service in its loosest sense)who are more than likely pre-occupied with the customary vast amounts of paperwork connected to any incident the completion of which has a far greater priority than helping the good folk of Bournemouth get to work on time or this morning even at all!

grimreaper says...
12:23pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Why do Dorset Police take such great delight in closing a road for 4 hours and causing chaos ? and why do we pay them so much for doing it ??
In the old days it was clear the scene as fast as possible and get the traffic flowing again.

If motorists want to drive like idiots let them die like idiots, you don't put a car on its roof driving properly.

terry1965 says...
12:27pm Wed 18 Mar 09

I was stuck in this fiasco for nearly two hours this morning. Why? Because the Police failed to stop traffic joining the south bound Spur Road at Ashley Heath (at 8-25am anyway).

If this accident occurred at 7-10am they had plenty of time to do so. So why didn't they?

Thousands of people would have been late for work etc this morning solely as a result of the police failing to do this, so perhaps a spokesperson for Dorset Police could give an explanation please in tomorrows Echo.

addenuf says...
12:39pm Wed 18 Mar 09

In France we were very impressed with the way the Gendarmes kept traffic moving on a motorway, albeit slowly, when two lanes were closed by a car on its roof. The Emergency services were already there and the driver had been taken to the side of the road for initial treatment. All we had to do was wait our turn to filter into one lane and slowly pass the scene. Traffic was kept moving and everyone could continue on their way with the minimum of delay. So why can't they do that here? I can understand closing the road for a major accident or fatility but this is OTT. Glad the woman here and baby were ok by the way!

The_Thinker says...
12:46pm Wed 18 Mar 09

It's all well and good arguing about it but for me i'm more interested in how it happened? When i passed it this morning on the opposite carriage way, it seemed that only one car was involved. Having said that, i'm glad no-one is seriously hurt.

ben111 says...
12:47pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Just to let people know i was on my way up the spur road , and i saw the car on the other side on its roof i could not tell the make of it , it looked that bad , So if one of you lot were in a crash like that and you wanted to find out what happend and who contacted who plus the recovery of the driver and baby , then the recovery of the vehicle ... its a hard life .. an opnion is always good but try and get some more facts before throwing the toys out of the pram .10 people will die on the roads today , we cant have that if we are going to miss a few hours of work out of my whole life...

terry1965 says...
12:57pm Wed 18 Mar 09

ben111 wrote:
Just to let people know i was on my way up the spur road , and i saw the car on the other side on its roof i could not tell the make of it , it looked that bad , So if one of you lot were in a crash like that and you wanted to find out what happend and who contacted who plus the recovery of the driver and baby , then the recovery of the vehicle ... its a hard life .. an opnion is always good but try and get some more facts before throwing the toys out of the pram .10 people will die on the roads today , we cant have that if we are going to miss a few hours of work out of my whole life...
Does anyone have a gibberish to English dictionary?

ben111 says...
1:00pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Good opinion Terry

grimreaper says...
1:01pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Does anyone have a gibberish to English dictionary?

Frightening and he's driving, another accident waiting to happen ??

miltonarchers says...
1:19pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Please dont be too hard on the Plod. After all, they are very busy catching speeding drivers like me. Eastbound on the A31 recently doing 82mph in a 70 limit, yes I was speeding so in the wrong but, road clear, traffic light, weather sunny. Never mind 3 points, higher insurance. What made it worse was on that same trip there was this idiot undertaking traffic, driving 1 metre from the vehicle in front, very erratic. Where was Plod? Its not speed that's the danger its inappropriate speed and dangerous, erratic driving. Wonder what caused the vehicle to overturn this morning?

Peggy Babcock says...
1:32pm Wed 18 Mar 09

I love the way everyone becomes an expert on 'incident management'. Same old, same old.

ukdragon says...
1:33pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Could have been a multitude of things that caused the car to be on its roof - excessive speed, she fell asleep behind the wheel, some debris may have burst a front tyre causing a spin, someone may have cut her up, causing her to swerve - who knows.

I'm just glad that her and her baby are ok, and not just another "death-on-the-road" statistic

GAHmusic says...
1:48pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Well I'm glad they are all ok because when I passed the accident this morning there was a body laying face down in the road being worked on and to be honest the report of walking wounded does not fit what I saw. But thank god they are all alright

grimreaper says...
1:48pm Wed 18 Mar 09

"love the way everyone becomes an expert on 'incident management'. Same old, same old."

and your answer is ??

s'news you loose says...
2:22pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Grim Reaper....What is the matter with you!! If intended as a joke, I really seriously forgot to laugh, if not, expect a call from the police for sexist behaviour

grimreaper says...
2:26pm Wed 18 Mar 09

"expect a call from the police for sexist behaviour"

I doubt it, they are too busy with upside down WOMEN

Tig says...
2:30pm Wed 18 Mar 09

grimreaper wrote:
"Could have been a multitude of things that caused the car to be on its roof "

NO it was a woman !!
Ah, but it could have been a male driver that caused her to have the accident!

ry8000 says...
2:33pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Lord Spring wrote:
Can we blame it on snow and ice or a narrow winding road ? , More haste less speed on old saying but how true!!
Not wishing to be pedantic, but the quote is actually "more speed, less haste"... the complete opposite of what you said. And with that in mind, the old saying is true. Speed probably wasn't the issue here... more likely, stupid driving, but speed cameras don't notice that.

And on a separate note, there can be no excuse for a 4 hour road closure after a minor accident. Absolutely pathetic. Any of those do-gooders who whinge about getting a baby to the hospital are pathetic too... it was fine, and it got there, hours before the road was opened again.

Honestly, that type of situation (which happens almost weekly on that road) is embarrassing at best. Pathetic...

grimreaper says...
2:36pm Wed 18 Mar 09

"Ah, but it could have been a male driver that caused her to have the accident!"

HOW ???

K9F says...
2:53pm Wed 18 Mar 09

'Could have been a multitude of things that caused the car to be on its roof' - As it was a fine day could the accident possibly be attributed to the driver being overcome with fumes from the sewerage works? Maybe the police were overcome as well, hence the four hours to clear the site! Please excuse my cynisism!

Tig says...
2:54pm Wed 18 Mar 09

grimreaper wrote:
"Ah, but it could have been a male driver that caused her to have the accident!" HOW ???
You know the type: car with too much power, which isn't needed because they are always driving below the speed limit; wearing a flat cap; oblivious to anyone else on the roads....

Women don't have the monopoly on bad driving, you know!

ry8000 says...
2:58pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Tig wrote:
grimreaper wrote: "Ah, but it could have been a male driver that caused her to have the accident!" HOW ???
You know the type: car with too much power, which isn't needed because they are always driving below the speed limit; wearing a flat cap; oblivious to anyone else on the roads.... Women don't have the monopoly on bad driving, you know!
Man or woman, someone was obviously being a complete prat to end up in that situation today... it's surprisingly difficult to roll a car over!!

animalchick says...
3:02pm Wed 18 Mar 09

I live in Ringwood and travel to B'mth on the Spur Road every day, four times a day (morning rush hour to/from B'mth and evening rush hour to/from B'mth). My son goes to school in B'mth and we are on the waiting list for a Ringwood school.

I can't begin to tell you of the number of insane and reckless driving incidents I witness every day and suffice to say I'm not at all surprised to have been involved in the delays of this morning.

A large majority of local motorists are aggressive, selfish and uncooperative drivers who randomly swap lanes more times that Paris Hilton changes boyfriends and refuse to give way to any poor motorist who tries to join the Spur Road at the Blackwater junction.

I'm relieved to hear that the passengers from this morning's incident are both ok, and I don't know if anyone else was involved, but I have to agree with most writers' comments that a 4 hour closure is ridiculous, made worse by the lack of traffic control in surrounding areas.

A final note to all the arrogant, egotistical, mindless, risk taking drivers I have the misfortune of being near each day.......I'll be reading stories of major road incidents again in the future, only this time it will be YOUR names mentioned.

grimreaper says...
3:06pm Wed 18 Mar 09

"Women don't have the monopoly on bad driving, you know!"

Can we take a poll on this please ??

ry8000 says...
3:08pm Wed 18 Mar 09

animalchick wrote:
I live in Ringwood and travel to B'mth on the Spur Road every day, four times a day (morning rush hour to/from B'mth and evening rush hour to/from B'mth). My son goes to school in B'mth and we are on the waiting list for a Ringwood school. I can't begin to tell you of the number of insane and reckless driving incidents I witness every day and suffice to say I'm not at all surprised to have been involved in the delays of this morning. A large majority of local motorists are aggressive, selfish and uncooperative drivers who randomly swap lanes more times that Paris Hilton changes boyfriends and refuse to give way to any poor motorist who tries to join the Spur Road at the Blackwater junction. I'm relieved to hear that the passengers from this morning's incident are both ok, and I don't know if anyone else was involved, but I have to agree with most writers' comments that a 4 hour closure is ridiculous, made worse by the lack of traffic control in surrounding areas. A final note to all the arrogant, egotistical, mindless, risk taking drivers I have the misfortune of being near each day.......I'll be reading stories of major road incidents again in the future, only this time it will be YOUR names mentioned.
I completely agree, there are a lot of morons out there. And the problem is, rather than having police patrol the road, we have an ever increasing selection of speed cameras, but they can't catch bad drivers. I blame the government for that mess!! Problem is, people only see speeding as the problem, and that's what we've all been brainwashed into believing.

s'news you loose says...
3:09pm Wed 18 Mar 09

grimreaper wrote:
"Women don't have the monopoly on bad driving, you know!" Can we take a poll on this please ??

Sure no problem, please search on the internet for all the poll's, stats and info insurance companies have kindly provided you

animalchick says...
3:11pm Wed 18 Mar 09

grimreaper wrote:
Referring to my previous comments, I can tell you with confidence that there it's neither men nor women who monopolize bad driving.

Men knowingly drive appallingly and purposely cut you up, whilst women drive appalingly and cut you up whilst being completely unaware and in a world of their own!

grimreaper says...
3:12pm Wed 18 Mar 09

animalchick, Ringwood says

"A final note to all the arrogant, egotistical, mindless, risk taking drivers I have the misfortune of being near each day.......I'll be reading stories of major road incidents again in the future, only this time it will be YOUR names mention"

Are you blonde ?

snoopy62 says...
3:12pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Maybe the police keep the roads closed so long after incidents like this to show the on lookers what stuipity behind the wheel causes!! Whatever the cause if you drive sensibly you dont end up rolling your car and maybe if people were a bit more aware of other road users (no matter how rubbish they are) they would be able to avoid them.

animalchick says...
3:16pm Wed 18 Mar 09

grimreaper wrote:
animalchick, Ringwood says "A final note to all the arrogant, egotistical, mindless, risk taking drivers I have the misfortune of being near each day.......I'll be reading stories of major road incidents again in the future, only this time it will be YOUR names mention" Are you blonde ?
No I'm not and how does that question contribute to this discussion?

animalchick says...
3:22pm Wed 18 Mar 09

snoopy62 wrote:
Maybe the police keep the roads closed so long after incidents like this to show the on lookers what stuipity behind the wheel causes!! Whatever the cause if you drive sensibly you dont end up rolling your car and maybe if people were a bit more aware of other road users (no matter how rubbish they are) they would be able to avoid them.
I challenge you to avoid an idiot travelling at 65mph who is veering towards the passenger side of your car in order to get into a 5ft wide gap in front of you during rush hour!

s'news you loose says...
3:25pm Wed 18 Mar 09

How come everyone is suddenly an expert on how to roll a car over??!! How would you know what it takes......Unless of course you are a highly intelligent Crash Test Dummie. No one knows how the accident happened and all we should care about is that it didn't cause any harm

grimreaper says...
3:26pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Touched a nerve then ??

Basic evolution, survival of the fitest, Darwin !!

snoopy62 says...
3:27pm Wed 18 Mar 09

point taken animalchick, but I was being specific to this mornings incident. Like I said if people didnt drive like selfish idiots (ie 65mph towards your passenger side) these accidents wouldnt happen. Bit like the nutters reversing up the grass verge on the incident side of the A338 this morning to turn around at the ashley heath roundabout!!! Total lack of courtesy for other road users

animalchick says...
3:30pm Wed 18 Mar 09

grimreaper wrote:
Touched a nerve then ?? Basic evolution, survival of the fitest, Darwin !!
Not at all, I could see it was the kind of comment made to purposely try and wind someone up!

Survival of the fittest? Is that how you summarize driving?! Makes me think that I've touched a nerve by potentially outing one of those types of drivers I mentioned before. Remind me to quote "survival of the fittest" when the news sadly reports a fatality linked to someone you know or love.

animalchick says...
3:36pm Wed 18 Mar 09

snoopy62 wrote:
point taken animalchick, but I was being specific to this mornings incident. Like I said if people didnt drive like selfish idiots (ie 65mph towards your passenger side) these accidents wouldnt happen. Bit like the nutters reversing up the grass verge on the incident side of the A338 this morning to turn around at the ashley heath roundabout!!! Total lack of courtesy for other road users
Fair comment, and you've hit the nail on the head when saying that the police want people to see what chaos stupid driving causes. It was probably their tenth incident by that time already!

grimreaper says...
3:37pm Wed 18 Mar 09

"animalchick, Ringwood says...
3:30pm Wed 18 Mar 09
Remind me to quote "survival of the fittest" when the news sadly reports a fatality linked to someone you know or love"

Been there, done it, got the scars, but it doesn't change the reasons !!

police says...
4:01pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Sergeant Nikki Burt of the Ferndown traffic department said: "The eight month old baby boy travelling in the car with his 19-year old mother from Bournemouth sustained a serious foot injury and was taken to Poole Hospital before being transferred to the Salisbury District Hospital at Odstock for specialist treatment. His mother sustained minor injuries.

"Public safety and the highest quality of investigations at road traffic collisions are the top priorities of Dorset Police which does not take the decision to close a road lightly and always seeks to act in a proprortionate, thorough and appropriate manner.

"Dorset Police has a duty to investigate road traffic collisions and the closure of a short section of the southbound carriageway of the A338 spur road between Blackwater and Cooper Dean was necessary until the full extent of the baby's injuries were established because that determined the level of investigation. There is only one opportunity to secure evidence.

"The whole carriageway was closed to ensure the safety of the public and the emergency services at the scene because, in the past, road traffic collisions have been caused by drivers looking at the aftermath of a road traffic collision instead of concentrating on the road ahead.

"Officers are acutely aware and mindful of the potential for traffic delays and the consequences to the travelling public. Dorset Police is always appreciative of the public's patience at the scene of road traffic collisions," explained Sergeant Burt.

addenuf says...
4:02pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Back to the subject in hand ... closing the road for hours on end ...remember the good old days when the police used to chalk mark, and then in more modern times spray white lines, on the tarmac at the scene of an accident and then come back later to do the surveying etc. And surely in this day and age with digital cameras it is not beyond them to take pictures of the scene, vehicle involved, debris, then clear up the mess and open the road up again. Obviously not in serious accidents but this doesn't sound like it was that bad a one (apart from for the poor lady involved).

grimreaper says...
4:14pm Wed 18 Mar 09


"Dorset Police has a duty to investigate road traffic collisions and the closure of a short section of the southbound carriageway of the A338 spur road between Blackwater and Cooper Dean was necessary until the full extent of the baby's injuries were established because that determined the level of investigation. There is only one opportunity to secure evidence."

They have a duty to investigate any crime, but do they ???

animalchick says...
4:18pm Wed 18 Mar 09

police wrote:
Sergeant Nikki Burt of the Ferndown traffic department said: "The eight month old baby boy travelling in the car with his 19-year old mother from Bournemouth sustained a serious foot injury and was taken to Poole Hospital before being transferred to the Salisbury District Hospital at Odstock for specialist treatment. His mother sustained minor injuries. "Public safety and the highest quality of investigations at road traffic collisions are the top priorities of Dorset Police which does not take the decision to close a road lightly and always seeks to act in a proprortionate, thorough and appropriate manner. "Dorset Police has a duty to investigate road traffic collisions and the closure of a short section of the southbound carriageway of the A338 spur road between Blackwater and Cooper Dean was necessary until the full extent of the baby's injuries were established because that determined the level of investigation. There is only one opportunity to secure evidence. "The whole carriageway was closed to ensure the safety of the public and the emergency services at the scene because, in the past, road traffic collisions have been caused by drivers looking at the aftermath of a road traffic collision instead of concentrating on the road ahead. "Officers are acutely aware and mindful of the potential for traffic delays and the consequences to the travelling public. Dorset Police is always appreciative of the public's patience at the scene of road traffic collisions," explained Sergeant Burt.
I am genuinely appreciative of the fact that a full investigation takes place...But to close the whole carriageway for 4 hours? Surely, for the sake of general public welfare, can there not be a more efficient alternative? Local schools, businesses and transportation were majorly affected today. Are you saying that we should resign ourselves to this on a weekly basis? Because that's how often it has been lately.

djd says...
4:25pm Wed 18 Mar 09

police wrote:
Sergeant Nikki Burt of the Ferndown traffic department said: "The eight month old baby boy travelling in the car with his 19-year old mother from Bournemouth sustained a serious foot injury and was taken to Poole Hospital before being transferred to the Salisbury District Hospital at Odstock for specialist treatment. His mother sustained minor injuries. "Public safety and the highest quality of investigations at road traffic collisions are the top priorities of Dorset Police which does not take the decision to close a road lightly and always seeks to act in a proprortionate, thorough and appropriate manner. "Dorset Police has a duty to investigate road traffic collisions and the closure of a short section of the southbound carriageway of the A338 spur road between Blackwater and Cooper Dean was necessary until the full extent of the baby's injuries were established because that determined the level of investigation. There is only one opportunity to secure evidence. "The whole carriageway was closed to ensure the safety of the public and the emergency services at the scene because, in the past, road traffic collisions have been caused by drivers looking at the aftermath of a road traffic collision instead of concentrating on the road ahead. "Officers are acutely aware and mindful of the potential for traffic delays and the consequences to the travelling public. Dorset Police is always appreciative of the public's patience at the scene of road traffic collisions," explained Sergeant Burt.
Well done Dorset Police for commenting on some of the comments on this blog.
Ignorance is no excuse, if you dont know what you're talking about, don't criticise those are trying to sort the accident.
One day, it may be one of your relatives and I wonder what your reaction would be if the police said they opened the road before they could complete a full investigation because selfish drivers are moaning.
Or perhaps you know better !!!

grimreaper says...
4:33pm Wed 18 Mar 09

"Or perhaps you know better !!!"

How long will they spend on your stolen car ??

animalchick says...
4:35pm Wed 18 Mar 09

djd wrote:
police wrote: Sergeant Nikki Burt of the Ferndown traffic department said: "The eight month old baby boy travelling in the car with his 19-year old mother from Bournemouth sustained a serious foot injury and was taken to Poole Hospital before being transferred to the Salisbury District Hospital at Odstock for specialist treatment. His mother sustained minor injuries. "Public safety and the highest quality of investigations at road traffic collisions are the top priorities of Dorset Police which does not take the decision to close a road lightly and always seeks to act in a proprortionate, thorough and appropriate manner. "Dorset Police has a duty to investigate road traffic collisions and the closure of a short section of the southbound carriageway of the A338 spur road between Blackwater and Cooper Dean was necessary until the full extent of the baby's injuries were established because that determined the level of investigation. There is only one opportunity to secure evidence. "The whole carriageway was closed to ensure the safety of the public and the emergency services at the scene because, in the past, road traffic collisions have been caused by drivers looking at the aftermath of a road traffic collision instead of concentrating on the road ahead. "Officers are acutely aware and mindful of the potential for traffic delays and the consequences to the travelling public. Dorset Police is always appreciative of the public's patience at the scene of road traffic collisions," explained Sergeant Burt.
Well done Dorset Police for commenting on some of the comments on this blog. Ignorance is no excuse, if you dont know what you're talking about, don't criticise those are trying to sort the accident. One day, it may be one of your relatives and I wonder what your reaction would be if the police said they opened the road before they could complete a full investigation because selfish drivers are moaning. Or perhaps you know better !!!
I think that most comments were actually made as a result of frustration rather than ignorance or criticism towards the Police. Frustrations directed towards weekly delays caused by insanely bad driving are not to be silenced! I am keen to add that I am not suggesting today's accident was due to bad driving by the driver or another party.

Chris... says...
4:35pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Even when the Police comment on this forum, there are still those who just plainly ignore what has been said. It always amazes me how those above come on here at every accident, or road closure, and pick fault.

If closing the road is the safer option then I am happy. Some mentioned hearing of the closure on the radio, before leaving home, then why did they still come down the A338. Why not continue on the A31, and come via Ferndown and Parley, the detour would have been less than 4 hours. You all know and complain the Police take their time (and quite rightly so), yet you still take the closed route. Had the injuries been worse, then the delay may have been longer.


addenuf says...
4:36pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Ok so now we've heard the police's version of events. First of all, I'm sorry to hear about the baby's injuries and hope everything will be sorted out quickly for him. However, I still do not understand - one vehicle was involved and both the injured mother and child were removed from the scene fairly quickly, by all accounts. As I said before, surely they can mark the road, take photographs and then clear up? How did waiting to hear the extent of the injury mean they couldn't clear up - unless they suspected foul play by a third party. Sorry but four hours still seems excessive for all that.

WillBrown says...
4:36pm Wed 18 Mar 09

I have read all the comments posted on here today, some are extreme but they do have some valid points.

Thanks for the police’s comments, but they have not informed us why this happened, I’m sure if you would, it will save peoples lives?

Know one likes accidents, so I would like some reasonable suggestions on how to stop/reduce them on the Spur Road.
I know some people don’t think speed is a major factor, but I'm sure it is.

How would you slow down motorist from 80/90+ mph a reasonable 60?

animalchick says...
4:52pm Wed 18 Mar 09

WillBrown wrote:
I have read all the comments posted on here today, some are extreme but they do have some valid points. Thanks for the police’s comments, but they have not informed us why this happened, I’m sure if you would, it will save peoples lives? Know one likes accidents, so I would like some reasonable suggestions on how to stop/reduce them on the Spur Road. I know some people don’t think speed is a major factor, but I'm sure it is. How would you slow down motorist from 80/90+ mph a reasonable 60?
It's more a case of driving properly and not cutting everyone up or making outrageous manoeuvres into fast moving traffic lanes whilst talking on your mobile phone!

djd says...
5:43pm Wed 18 Mar 09

The main problems are people's driving and the pathetic road system we have in the area.
When one road is closed for whatever reason, the whole area grinds to a halt and there is traffic chaos for hours.

Stevie Milton says...
5:44pm Wed 18 Mar 09

are we to understand from the comment of the police that the road was closed for so long to protect rubber-neckers from themselves? And that the police are grateful we are always so patient at the this sort of thing. Well, people in Ferndown were not so patient - roads were jammed for hours, and I agree with the first comments on this long long strand - WHY close the road for so LONG and rebound on other towns like Ferndown who already have dreadful traffic problems - possible danger to rubber neckers or not?

djd says...
5:48pm Wed 18 Mar 09

animalchick wrote:
djd wrote:
police wrote: Sergeant Nikki Burt of the Ferndown traffic department said: "The eight month old baby boy travelling in the car with his 19-year old mother from Bournemouth sustained a serious foot injury and was taken to Poole Hospital before being transferred to the Salisbury District Hospital at Odstock for specialist treatment. His mother sustained minor injuries. "Public safety and the highest quality of investigations at road traffic collisions are the top priorities of Dorset Police which does not take the decision to close a road lightly and always seeks to act in a proprortionate, thorough and appropriate manner. "Dorset Police has a duty to investigate road traffic collisions and the closure of a short section of the southbound carriageway of the A338 spur road between Blackwater and Cooper Dean was necessary until the full extent of the baby's injuries were established because that determined the level of investigation. There is only one opportunity to secure evidence. "The whole carriageway was closed to ensure the safety of the public and the emergency services at the scene because, in the past, road traffic collisions have been caused by drivers looking at the aftermath of a road traffic collision instead of concentrating on the road ahead. "Officers are acutely aware and mindful of the potential for traffic delays and the consequences to the travelling public. Dorset Police is always appreciative of the public's patience at the scene of road traffic collisions," explained Sergeant Burt.
Well done Dorset Police for commenting on some of the comments on this blog. Ignorance is no excuse, if you dont know what you're talking about, don't criticise those are trying to sort the accident. One day, it may be one of your relatives and I wonder what your reaction would be if the police said they opened the road before they could complete a full investigation because selfish drivers are moaning. Or perhaps you know better !!!
I think that most comments were actually made as a result of frustration rather than ignorance or criticism towards the Police. Frustrations directed towards weekly delays caused by insanely bad driving are not to be silenced! I am keen to add that I am not suggesting today's accident was due to bad driving by the driver or another party.
Yes, it does seem almost a weekly occurence that this road is closed due to someone's bad driving. I appreciate it can be frustrating for drivers trying to get somewhere, but that is part of driving. I don't know what the answer is to solve this problem. Perhaps better driver education, perhapds lower enforced speed limits.
For those who are't aware, the eight month old baby is is a serious condition in hospital.

psal says...
5:59pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Very pleased to hear their were no fatalities and the baby and his young mum will be ok

EGHH says...
6:07pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Glad mum and baby are alive. Could have been much worse

ry8000 says...
6:09pm Wed 18 Mar 09

addenuf wrote:
Ok so now we've heard the police's version of events. First of all, I'm sorry to hear about the baby's injuries and hope everything will be sorted out quickly for him. However, I still do not understand - one vehicle was involved and both the injured mother and child were removed from the scene fairly quickly, by all accounts. As I said before, surely they can mark the road, take photographs and then clear up? How did waiting to hear the extent of the injury mean they couldn't clear up - unless they suspected foul play by a third party. Sorry but four hours still seems excessive for all that.
I completely agree. It seems very excessive, any maybe more police on the roads in the first place would help to prevent this, rather than just adding more speed cameras. It's amazing too, that they shut the entire road, not just the lane affected... I notice that doesn't happen on the A31 or M27 in Hampshire, they only close the affected lanes. Using safety as a reason is pathetic... What about people that could die due to ambulance delays caused by the entire area being gridlocked?!

It's very sad that a baby (or anyone for that fact) is injured, but that shouldn't sway the judgement of logic... 4 hours is too long to close an entire road of this importance in this type of situation. Come on Dorset Police, wake up!

Aussie God from Winton says...
7:07pm Wed 18 Mar 09

http://www.thisisham
pshire.net/news/hamp
shirenews/4211949.Dr
iver_took_cocaine_be
fore_fatal_crash/

Read this story published today about an accident on the A338.

This is the reason no one is safe on the roads.

A sad story for his family and my heart goea out to them

let-it-loose says...
7:27pm Wed 18 Mar 09

I've got to say that I passed the overturned car when travelling in the opposite direction about 8.30am this morning and it was fairly obvious that this was not a fatal accident as no police traffic officers were on scene looking as though they were dealing with a fatal road traffic accident. One officer was paying quite a lot of attention to a Guernsey cow in a field that needed milking and a couple of others seemed to be enjoying the Spring sun and watching the Bath Travel 0830 from Tenerife making its' final descent. When I returned about 11.45 in the direction of the accident I did notice that the police had not bothered to collect their blue "Police Accident" signs still in the centre of the carriageway and thankfully no sign of a serious accident although the cow still needed milking - so Dear Dorset Police Chief Officer, if you can't get your contractors to remove an overturned car within 15 minutes on the edge of a provincial town you ain't getting value for money. P.S. sincerely hope the mum and baby were okay.

signup says...
7:32pm Wed 18 Mar 09

On the way home today I was directed around the accident on the A338 just south of Salisbury. A car had hit a motorbike at a junction out of Nunton/Odistock. Looked pretty bad but I didn't see the casualty.

At the same time I had a tailgaiting woman in a Range Rover right behind me. I wish tailgaiters were banned from driving for 10 years.

peterdw777 says...
8:27pm Wed 18 Mar 09

IFADave wrote:
blue-eyes wrote:
IFADave wrote: having spent over an Hour in the car this morning for what normally takes 15 mins, i was under the impression a fatalaty had occured on the spur road and fully understood the delays. After getting to work and finiding out that the car has merely been in an accident with the occupants having minor injuries, what are the police playing at closing the spur road for so long and causing massive traffic problems. They really need to get their act together as their must have been withensses at the time of the accident who would have stopped.
I heard about the accident on local radio around 7.30am and left hoping to avoid the inevitable traffic problems on my way in to Bournemouth. I did, thankfully. I just hope the baby is ok. Unlike some, if the road is closed for an ambulance to attend to an injured baby, I would have to say that I'd rather the road was closed and I was late for work, than to think that I considered myself and my employer more important than the life a small baby!
I fully apreciate what your saying, but it doesnt take 4 hours to get an ambulance clear of the accident. The ambulance was on the scene within 20 mins. Surely the road could have been reopened within 1hr, 1 and half maximum. NOT 4 HOURS.
The question I asked of an off duty retained fireman this morning, "If an accident happened on the M4 Hammersmith Flyover (London), would the London Police keep that main arterial road into London closed for many hours while they investigated the accident?". His response was, "Probably not because the London Police know they need to keep the traffic moving."

Pity Dorset Police are so slow witted!

pd7 says...
8:35pm Wed 18 Mar 09

What a load of blahblah everyone in a stress because they are late.
Why do they take so long to clear 1st problem fuel if a car is upside down it will leak fluids petrol explodes oil causes havoc on the surface it has to be checked.
Electrics our roads are covered in signs and lights anything broken has to be made sae .Road surface has to be checked for damage .
Glass has to be removed
If you plan your journey with a little spare time you will arrive.
And the Germans do close autobahns after a accident sometimes.

PokesdownMark says...
8:42pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Wow what a bumper crop of comments.

Look, its terrible for people in these accidents. The police need to investigate properly. BUT this is true overseas too, let alone other counties, and does not take and should not take 4 hours. It is clearly ridiculous.

I think the authorities are seriously underestimating the cost of keeping this particular road closed. Worse, they do not even try to help by closing the far end. It is completely unacceptable.

The cost of these long road closure are not just people late for work. You will have people missing ferry crossings. People missing hospital appointments. Remember that Bournemouth hospital is close. What about if doctors cannot get to work? What about if a casualty needed to get to A&E? You have hundred of day trippers that simply won't come back. It causes long term economic damage it really does. Something must be done to speed up the process of handling these accidents. I think that is crystal clear.

So Echo... here is a thought. The timeline for this particular accident will have been recorded. The comings and goings of the various people involved would make a very interesting story. Please, please investigate and let the public know what causes the delays. Because I think the issue here is the lack of a single point of authority who really cares that the road is opened. And can make the changes necessary to get the relevant fingers pulled out of the relevant holes! But what do I know? nothing. So please find out for us.

Superbly relevant security word = must-cost


gudmenrmist says...
8:59pm Wed 18 Mar 09

The problem being the police local authorities and public employee's are the most expensive in the world and the MOST INEFFICIENT. At the next local elections vote all existing Councillors OUT get rid of the old pals LUNCHEON club.

phillips1234 says...
12:36pm Thu 19 Mar 09

grimreaper wrote:
Why do Dorset Police take such great delight in closing a road for 4 hours and causing chaos ? and why do we pay them so much for doing it ?? In the old days it was clear the scene as fast as possible and get the traffic flowing again. If motorists want to drive like idiots let them die like idiots, you don't put a car on its roof driving properly.
Just to put you in the picture... the girls tyre blew out whilst driving.. so lets thank god her and her baby were fine!!! Accidents like that don't always mean reckless driving!!

Taffytim says...
5:29pm Thu 19 Mar 09

I went past this accident at 9.30 and also thought that it must have been a fatality, so Im glad all involved are on the road to recovery.

I think we are all missing the bigger picture on this one.

The accident happened just after the Blackwater junction, just by the sewage works.

Blackwater junction is the worst junction that I come across on my travels, and Im on the road for about 50 hours a week.

Something seriously needs to be done about it. Experienced local drivers know to expect cars coming out of Blackwater and most tend to get in the outside lane if possible to allow ease of access for the joining traffic.

Inexperienced drivers and non-local drivers get caught out by this road system all the time. The slip road is far too short and it should have been altered when they altered the slip road off a couple of years back.

Until this is done there will continue to be near misses, minor accidents, serious accidents and fatalities on this stretch of road.

What will it take to get a longer slip road in place?

richw says...
7:33pm Thu 19 Mar 09

Time to bring the 50 limit back to around a half mile short of the Blackwater junction and install 'average speed' cameras all the way up to, say, St Pauls's roundabout ? May not produce much revenue....but speed cameras aren't for that are they (?) but they would sure as hell cut the accident rate on that stretch.

yahoo says...
8:45pm Thu 19 Mar 09

I think you all need to get your facts straight before commenting, the cars tyre blew which is what caused the accident NOT bad driving and the mother and baby are both still in hospital from their injuries and the baby is having an operation so was a serious accident!!!! I dont think you would all be complaing about the delays if it were your own family members involved in the accident!!!! I understand that 4 hours may have seemed a long time for the road to be closed but at the end of the day we should just be thankful that they are both going to be ok!!!! 4 hours seems like nothing when it could of been their lives!!!!

bournemouth_nursing_student says...
9:24pm Thu 19 Mar 09

yahoo wrote:
I think you all need to get your facts straight before commenting, the cars tyre blew which is what caused the accident NOT bad driving and the mother and baby are both still in hospital from their injuries and the baby is having an operation so was a serious accident!!!! I dont think you would all be complaing about the delays if it were your own family members involved in the accident!!!! I understand that 4 hours may have seemed a long time for the road to be closed but at the end of the day we should just be thankful that they are both going to be ok!!!! 4 hours seems like nothing when it could of been their lives!!!!
I entirely agree. I was disgusted to see that people were so outraged at the hold up. There was a baby involved, if it was your baby wouldn't you be MAD at everyone here who is moaning about the wait?? If it was your baby wouldn't you want the emergency services to do their best possible job, get your baby out safely, treat them roadside then get them to hospital?! Or maybe we should get bigger ambulances so next time they could just move the whole car inside so as not to waste your precious time?!

GAHmusic says...
10:02pm Thu 19 Mar 09

I agree with TaffyTim, even if on this occasion it was not caused by blackwater junction the slip road onto the south bound lane is too short by a long way, combine this with the fact that you approach it on a downhill stretch after coming over the brow of the hill and inexperienced non locals can be caught out. Ill say this though Tim I think your wrong about the location as I also passed at around 7:30 and from what I remember the car was south of the junction by a few yards and on returning that way later in the day if I had been asked to describe what I thought happened it looked very much like she was driving at speed in the fast lane, put a wheel on the grassy verge, pull the car left to steer out at which point I imagine it went sharp left across the carriageway and rolled. This is often the result of loss of concentration. It's very possible the tire burst as a result of the accident. but I hasten to add this is pure conjecture.

yahoo says...
10:14pm Thu 19 Mar 09

Well i know for a fact that the tyre didnt burst because of the accident the tyre bursting caused the accident, and whilst it might be a dangerous area of road i think we need to remember the most important thing is that a child and its mother were injured and i dont think it is appropriate to be saying it was her fault when that is not the case!!!!

GAHmusic says...
8:14am Fri 20 Mar 09

Fair enough yahoo but I do make note of the fact that I am guessing when you seam to be making claim to fact. Do you have facts?

phillips1234 says...
12:07pm Fri 20 Mar 09

yahoo wrote:
I think you all need to get your facts straight before commenting, the cars tyre blew which is what caused the accident NOT bad driving and the mother and baby are both still in hospital from their injuries and the baby is having an operation so was a serious accident!!!! I dont think you would all be complaing about the delays if it were your own family members involved in the accident!!!! I understand that 4 hours may have seemed a long time for the road to be closed but at the end of the day we should just be thankful that they are both going to be ok!!!! 4 hours seems like nothing when it could of been their lives!!!!
I totally agree.. some of the nasty selfish comments make me sick!! Wow.. a whole 4 hours out of your life... how awful!!! Im just hoping that the darling little boy and his mum is going to be ok!! I will add again... IT WAS NOT DOWN TO BAD DRIVING... BUT HER TYRE BURST AS SHE WAS DRIVING!! Thank god they are both alive!!! Im hoping them both a speedy recovery!!

arendea says...
5:56pm Mon 23 Mar 09

I think the Echo are regretting either 1) publishing the follow up story or 2) letting us comment on the later story.

Whats the point in allowing people to have a view or opinion on a story if it is all deleted as soon as someone takes offence!

I think the torrent of comments on the later story were mostly to defend the above comments and to talk further about the other issues that were raised. It seemed like people really felt like they had to defend themselves and explain why some things have been said and emphasise that the comments were not personally directed if some of them were a little lacking in tact or sensitivity to the situation.

No doubt this post will be removed too though lol !

Justins family - again we really really do hope that he is ok and recovers well. xx


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Spur Road blocked southbound for four hours

The overturned car. Photo: Martin Cruze



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