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SHOCK TWIST IN BOSCOMBE SURF REEF SAGA


THE contractors building Bournemouth’s surf reef are working on another project in India – and council chiefs are not convinced they will return to finish the job.

The shock news has startled councillors and is the latest twist in the controversial tale of the Boscombe reef project.

See the Related Links panel on the right for links to more revelations about the surf reef

The reef is the key part of the Boscombe Spa development and costs for the whole project have risen by a third to hit £11m.

Head of leisure services, Roger Brown, admitted the council has approached other companies in case the hired contractor ASR does not return from another reef project in India to finish the work.

“Our preferred route is for ASR to return,” said Mr Brown. “However we need to have the option of a Plan B.”

The news came at a special council scrutiny meeting to look into the spiralling costs. ASR and the council suspended work for the winter with the reef 60 per cent built.

The Indian press reported ASR began work building a 500 metre surf reef in Kerala, partly funded by the tsunami relief fund, at the end of December but work stalled due to “administrative delays”.

The council will now have to pay £100,000 towards ASR’s bill of nearly £300,000 for shipping their equipment to and from India.

Mr Brown said: “We are leaving payment as late as possible in terms of securing ASR’s return.”

Some councillors angrily proposed suspending all payments but council leader Cllr Stephen MacLoughlin warned them off.

He said: “The council could be in breach of contract and potentially it would let ASR off the hook and we would be at serious risk of ASR walking away from the contract.”

However Labour’s Cllr Ben Grower said: “I have had correspondence from people all over the country, from New Zealand, from America, that this whole project is the laughing stock of people in the trade of marine developments.”

Independent Cllr Anne Rey said: “The contractors have gone to India and taken all their equipment with them – we are just hoping they will come back.”

The tentative timetable is for ASR’s new project manager to arrive in the next few weeks and for work to be finished by mid July, though delays to the Indian surf reef could have a knock-on effect.

The panel agreed to recommend paying up to an extra £346,000 costs for the surf reef, although it believes it will only need to spend just over half.

When the reef is completed, Plymouth University will assess whether the waves are good enough to trigger a final £150,000 payment.

The meeting heard government permission for beach front work took nearly a year, not the advised three months, and ASR’s work permits took nine weeks, not the advised three.

Mr Brown also said “we had the windiest July and August for the last 60 years”, though the council later corrected this to ‘since 1996’.

Cllr Beverly Dunlop, cabinet member for economy and tourism, said in a statement: “I requested the Scrutiny hearing in the interests of being open, honest and transparent over where the additional costs had arisen and I am pleased a full and open discussion has taken place.

“We are also still on track to deliver a first rate flagship development that will see the town firmly on the international map.”

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nonnogeppetto, Boscombe east says...
8:39am Fri 13 Feb 09

... “The council could be in breach of contract and potentially it would let ASR off the hook and we would be at serious risk of ASR walking away from the contract.”

How come that a contractor does not complete the work it supposed to have done and the council ends up in breach of contract?

Who is pulling the wool over who's eyes here?

southcoastmatt, Branksome says...
8:42am Fri 13 Feb 09

Rather than waves rolling, heads should roll within the council...... poor poor project management.

Cazzam, Bournemouth says...
8:50am Fri 13 Feb 09

So what if theyre in India - they cant do it here cos of the weather over the winter. Ever heard of the MONSOON that Inda gets in April? if we think the weather here was bad enough to stop them building our reef, then if will DEFENITELY stop the one in india.

EdBmth, Bournemouth says...
8:52am Fri 13 Feb 09

This whole thing is turning into a farce as well as a major ar*e covering exercise.

The council will now have to pay £100,000 towards ASR’s bill of nearly £300,000 for shipping their equipment to and from India.

So ASR are off on another job for which they will be being paid very well, so why on earth are we being paid to ship their equipmentto India, what sort of contract did we sign?

Our local Councillors voted themselves huge pay increases as they were supposed to be improving council effivency. This whole debacle seems to show they have failed misserably... after all isnt it their ultimate responsibility to oversee things ?

And when stopping further payments to ASR was proposed the response was “The council could be in breach of contract and potentially it would let ASR off the hook and we would be at serious risk of ASR walking away from the contract.”

The council COULD, shouldn't someone find out for certain, or is this another example of people who think they know but are not sure carrying on hoping it will be ok.

nigel24, Bournemouth says...
9:01am Fri 13 Feb 09

Some-one has got to be sacked for this and the councillor with the portfolio should resign.

katie1221, Pokesdown says...
9:16am Fri 13 Feb 09

The Council will be in breach of contract if they withhold payment - they need to wait for ASR to breach the contract first to be able to withhold payment, otherwise ASR will be able to terminate the contract for breach of a condition, and sue for damages for loss of profit.

In the meantime, the Council need to show that they are attempting to mitigate any losses that they might incur if ASR breach by looking for other people to complete the work.

If ASR have specifically said they are not going to complete the contract, then the council could terminate the contract and sue for damages. However, it looks like ASR haven't specifically said this as they are sending their project manager over.


In Absentia, Bournemouth says...
9:23am Fri 13 Feb 09

What a shambles. The Council appoints a project manager who was nearing retirement age and was suffering from ill health. Whoever put that person in charge of this project should be sacked. The head of leisure services should resign as should the councillor who has this fiasco under their portfolio.

None of this will happen, of course.

Trifecta, Southbourne says...
9:24am Fri 13 Feb 09

What needs to be done, IMHO, is for the Echo to request, under the Freedom of Information Act, the original contract between the Council and ASR. Who signed it and what did they sign and just as importantly what legal advice was taken when entering into this contract. If the answers are the ones that I expect then one or two former councillors and one or two current employees have some very awkward questions coming to them.

The current councillors are not helping themselves in this matter either, they need to remove the hapless Ms.Dunlop from this brief immediately and give her a job more in line with her particular talents.

Get somebody pro-actively working on this or we will have a Lib.Dem. council again and that really was a disaster! This is just yet another dividend from those dark years.

Gastines, St.Malo says...
9:35am Fri 13 Feb 09

Looks like a landlord will be rubbing his hands together for some months to come. Perhaps the Echo could make a point of really investigating this mess but not from the "They said,He said"angle. I'd like to see the details of the contract printed ,plus the names of who drew it up and if there where any inbuilt penalty clauses. The whole affair has made the Council and the area a national laughing stock.It is well reported on TV and in the media. Don't expect anyone at Government level to launch an enquiry,they are too busy hiding their own blunders.

Trifecta, Southbourne says...
9:35am Fri 13 Feb 09

Just heard the news that Barratt have gone into administration. I assume that it is the shoe people!

terry1965, bournemouth says...
9:44am Fri 13 Feb 09

Yet another stupid idea from Bournemouth Council seems to be heading for the scrap heap at our expense.... as usual.

Why not transport the Imax building a couple of miles down the sea front & drop that in the ocean.

Two birds with one stone anyone?

GB916, christchurch says...
9:45am Fri 13 Feb 09

Another complete mess by a council,its about time these councils are bought to book,i am so angry,time and time again these idiots get away these blunders,when is something going to be done,in breach of contract,what rubbish,like someone said this is aci will cover your a**s if you cover mine,get rid of these fools from office,maybe we should put a group of school kids in charge,they would have done a better job than these doddery old fools

John T, Poole says...
9:48am Fri 13 Feb 09

I suggest that the deluded Councillors and senior Council Officers involved in this Reef fiasco book themselves an early appointment for psychiatric advice at the New Wave Integrated Care Centre in Boscombe! I believe reefers may be prescribed for certain conditions... depending which way the wind is blowjng!

davep1, Dorset says...
9:57am Fri 13 Feb 09

Who was responsible for signing the contract? Who was the un-elected council officer who checked it over? why are we in the hands of such incompitant fools and self serving egotists.

Surely the council has finally proved itself unfit to serve.

Lord Snooty, 7th Earl of Moordown, Muscliff Towers. says...
10:12am Fri 13 Feb 09

This reef has become the Imax Centre of the sea!

Three cheers for our council planners yet again.

What next I wonder?

John T, Poole says...
10:24am Fri 13 Feb 09

Lord Snooty wrote:
This reef has become the Imax Centre of the sea! Three cheers for our council planners yet again. What next I wonder?
A Lot Less Monster....a Fantasy creation where I estimate the Council Taxpayers will get reduced bills.
P.S. My security word is huge-take!

Maureen Arthur, Hamlet of Poole says...
10:37am Fri 13 Feb 09

Ohh, what a bombay mix up!


oink!

davep1, Dorset says...
10:37am Fri 13 Feb 09

Heard this embarrasement will be plastered all over the national papers this weekend. Hope the backhanders were worth it.

grimreaper, Ensbury Park says...
10:45am Fri 13 Feb 09

But They've said SORRY so it must be OK !

noel1, Bournemouth says...
10:47am Fri 13 Feb 09

It' intersting that the reef in india is also being delayed due to 'administrative delays' looks like the project manager for ASR isn't very good either.

Mr MacLoughlin should seek legal advice on whether or not ASR are in breach of contract and not hide behind the FUD on 'the council COULD' - I find it hard to believ that ASR are not in breach of conctract.

And why are we paying for ASRs's equipment to be trabnsported to India? I don't pay my plumber to transport his tools to my house when my pipes burst.

As for Plymouth Universtity assessing the waves - bring it on because at least we're going to £150k back - The Hydraulic Research Institute at Wallingford described the effect of these kind of reefs as 'neutral', so it's going to be a lot of money spent on a white elephant.

And remember it was the Councilors of the last LibDem administration who approved this and signed the contract a month before they were voted out of office, so we electors have got rid of some of the fools responsible for this already. It's just the unelected officers who haven't done the jobs we pay them to do that need to be held to account now.

John T, Poole says...
10:49am Fri 13 Feb 09

Maureen Arthur wrote:
Ohh, what a bombay mix up! oink!
What do you expect from a Company spelt ASR...the hole truth.
Of course, Bournemouth Councillors have got themselves mixed up with another bum deal!

Bob49, Bournemouth says...
10:56am Fri 13 Feb 09

I'm not sure what all the squeaking is about.

This was a ruse from the start to allow the council to flog off yet another bit of valuable rea
l estate - ours!

The 'Moneycombe' development is way bigger than originally proposed, has risen above the skyline and doesn't match the original plans.

How convenient that all protest has been diverted to the reef.

southcoastmatt, Branksome says...
11:04am Fri 13 Feb 09

First the IMAX, now the Surf Reef, what next... Resignation of Cllr Stephen MacLoughlin...probab
ly! This is a shambles Bournemouth Borough Council. Yet again another council co*k up plastered over the national press this weekend! We are becoming the laughing stock of the South!

kiteman, bournemouth says...
11:12am Fri 13 Feb 09

2008 did not see high winds in July and August! - I kite every day if its windy, surf if not, wake if no surf. There was a serious LACK of wind last year, less than the year before. THe sea was so calm last season i spent most days on the paddle board (wathcing them NOT work on the reef). Insidently the reef is in the wrong position as far as the sea shelf is concerned, the swell and most of all parking/facilites. Surf pods really make no difference to us that use the water regularly. A Mearsk container would be my preferece for storage. I suggest clearing the remainder of stones from beach drop them in water 3/4 groins east of bournemouth pier - Get the so called surf-reef and drag it on top of the stones. Job done - Got a reef, we can park. O sorry, i seem to have neglected the rich people who have bought crappy 2 bed flats by boscombe pier. Like any those people surf anyway! Time for the people to boot out some of the council employees - The surfly don't know what there doing!

kiteman, bournemouth says...
11:18am Fri 13 Feb 09

Does anytone else think the reef is completely in the wrong place?

Please state your reasons why.

kiteman, bournemouth says...
11:20am Fri 13 Feb 09

Where talking about filling bags with sand - 2 millions unemployeed people out there - Do we really need ASR to fill bags with sand and drop them i nthe sea?

I for one think NOT!

kiteman, bournemouth says...
11:26am Fri 13 Feb 09

Moneycombe development is a shockingly tastless piece of architecture! They must have visited Poole to get the idea for the nasty looking block of flats. So how many nasty flats have been sold? How many of those people surf? The entire project looks bad, sounds bad and now tastes bad - Indeed it really is the iMax of the sea - I may put my 3d glasses on and go for a snorkle.

fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown says...
11:28am Fri 13 Feb 09

What at mess - all we have is a load of manky flats at Honeycombe Chine and a truncated Boscombe Pier which does not even have a landing stage!
The Council is making Bournemouth a laughing stock

Grumpy Griff, Christchurch says...
11:40am Fri 13 Feb 09

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
What at mess - all we have is a load of manky flats at Honeycombe Chine and a truncated Boscombe Pier which does not even have a landing stage! The Council is making Bournemouth a laughing stock
The council IS a laughing stock!

Fire_fly, Bournemouth says...
11:52am Fri 13 Feb 09

What a sorry story. But have could the council have been duped. I read over a year ago about the New Zealand Reef that to my knowledge was never completed and not likely to work anyway.
I don't think I would trust ASR to Tarmac my drive.

Fire_fly, Bournemouth says...
11:55am Fri 13 Feb 09

Sorry could have.
Anyway looks like the Surf is down or it's SOS Paul Daniels.

djd, bournemouth says...
12:06pm Fri 13 Feb 09

People should be sacked over this farce. It is public money they are playing with and they have a responsibility towards the publicwhen spending that money.

Emulated, Bournemouth says...
12:13pm Fri 13 Feb 09

We have severals members of staff at the council with high flying job titles and wages to match. Yet tax payers are expected to pay for this ***** up. The whole structure of the council needs a clean out, to many on high saleries and pensions not doingb their jobs. Corruption comes to mind.

Fire_fly, Bournemouth says...
12:13pm Fri 13 Feb 09

djd I agree. I think you have to have a wild imagination to think what is mainly a flat sea can be transformed into surfing waves. It would at best only work with a rough sea and how many days of the year does that happen?

nonnogeppetto, Boscombe east says...
12:16pm Fri 13 Feb 09

kiteman wrote:
Does anytone else think the reef is completely in the wrong place? Please state your reasons why.
Yes I do. It should be in Australia.

If bankers don't get the sack for the mess they created what chance is there for anyone getting the sack from Bournemouth's council?


Emulated, Bournemouth says...
12:19pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Cllr Beverly Dunlop,
“ will see the town firmly on the international map.”

What a load of twaddle. Like Bournemouth International Airport. Hardly international is it.
BIC is international, of course not.
Surf reef international. No way.
The only international claim we have is a dodgy council who overspend on projects like surf reefs and give planning for buildings like the Imax.
The woman comes from cloud cukoo land.

Fire_fly, Bournemouth says...
12:23pm Fri 13 Feb 09


Oh dear lets not divert the subject to the wonderful airport we are proud to use.
No employment available there unless you are in with the old crowd or an OAP working for security.

thesyrup1, Bournemouth says...
12:25pm Fri 13 Feb 09

this is a lovely place to sound off, but does anybody really think the council will take any notice of what the voters say? of course they wont. will be interesting come election time though, wonder what they are going to put on the "accomplisments" list when they print their waffle to get us to vote for them again?. somehow i cant see much being mentioned about the reef, or lack of.

Limestone, Bournemouth says...
12:27pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Come on Echo, prove that you're more than provincial hacks, get a copy of the contract. Whoever signed a contract that appears to be full of holes should be held personally responsible for the loss of money that us council tax payers seem to be heading for. And no doubt an increase in council tax is on its way.....

BIGTONE, POOLE says...
12:31pm Fri 13 Feb 09

How much have these muppets paid up front to the contractors?
Reminds me of the time they paid for a contractor to replace the roof on the Town Hall then went bust after they ripped the roof off.
Ripped the taxpayers off more than likely.I would put more trust in Nick Leeson(who almost brought the banking world to its knees)with my money than this lot of Monopoly players.

Fire_fly, Bournemouth says...
12:33pm Fri 13 Feb 09


I'm still wondering what a surf pod is. Is it a modern day version of a clapped out beach hut. The largest distraction from the coastal area is the Hi Di Hi beach huts with peeling paint and tatty curtains. Burning them all down would do much to enhance our sea front.
Oh but hang on they make money for the council

magicmonkey, Bournemouth says...
12:59pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Knock the ugly flats down

Push the rubble into the sea

Jobs a good'un

gallantxxx, poole says...
1:16pm Fri 13 Feb 09

the counselors in charge should be fired immediately

arendea, southbourne says...
1:25pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Bring on the public enquiry !

Tictock, Trier Germany says...
2:09pm Fri 13 Feb 09

me on Echo, get off the fence and get a copy of the contract and let's see if it is signed, by the contractor! Methinks there is a blank space there! And ... surf pods are the old concrete beach huts - would be cheaper to use them as rubble and buyin new 'pods' ready fitted etc.

davep1, Dorset says...
2:11pm Fri 13 Feb 09

May 2008 - Councillor Stephen MacLoughlin, Leader of Bournemouth Borough Council says: “The deal has been done to bring the long-awaited surf reef to Boscombe to revive the area. It will be the most innovative sports and tourist attraction in the South. The public can be assured that the reef will definitely be completed at the latest by the end of this year. ASR Ltd had previously been commissioned as designers of the reef and will now use their expert knowledge in this highly complex marine construction project to achieve the performance requirements specified by the Council.”

'The public can be assured that the reef will definitely be completed at the latest by the end of this year'

more like the public have had been duped whilst being robbed of yet another prime piece of public land.

Papa Joe, Boscombe says...
3:00pm Fri 13 Feb 09

http://www.snow.co.n
z/cgi-bin/ultimatebb
.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f
=8&t=006106

http://www.nzherald.
co.nz/nz/news/articl
e.cfm?c_id=1&objecti
d=10554007

http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/travel/
news/article4921034.
ece

Oh dear, what a scam!

magicmonkey, Bournemouth says...
3:14pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Soon the councillors will be preparing to tell us the reef does not and will never work.

It probably will be finished, although whether ASR are still the contractors is another question...

Then it won't work. Councillors will tell us to wait as the wrong kind of waves are occuring. We will also be told not to expect the surf reef to work all the time time (i.e. at all).

After one or two summers with no sign of waves or surfers, the council will then begin to point out the "eco benefits" and will call it an eco-reef instead of a surf reef.

Then due to lack of maintenance, the surf reef bags will split and more money will be needed.

Pessemistic?? Nope - realistic!

BottomE, Bournemouth says...
3:59pm Fri 13 Feb 09

"Shocking twist"! The only thing shocking is the utter ineptitude of the council morons in charge of this project.

charley farley west parley, bournemouth says...
4:01pm Fri 13 Feb 09

WHY DO I KEEP THINKING OF THAT EPISODE OF THE SIMPSONS IN WHICH SPRINGFIELD HAS A MONO RAIL INSTALLED ?

Maureen Arthur, Hamlet of Poole says...
4:17pm Fri 13 Feb 09

arendea wrote:
Bring on the public enquiry !
bring on the guillotine!

Chris..., says...
4:25pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Firstly I cannot understand how the Council and those in charge of this project can say that they are shocked at the news that ASR are working in India. This has been reported by me, and other members who have commented on this fiasco, since Christmas. If the Council and the Project Managers had done their work they would have found that ASR do not live up to their expectations and recommendations. It is not the first time they have left one job and moved on.

In their defence however, I would say that the project under Roger Brown and Co, and the Tourism under Cllr Dunlop have made a mockery of the whole situation in that they or at least some of them did not see this before now. Rather than squander money on something that was not happending, holding accommodation that no one is living in, and producing the biggest sham in Bournemouth since the Winter Gardens were removed, and the Square was blocked off.

Not only should the India story have been brought out earlier, it was known as I said, but the reef in ASR own country.

If it ever gets completed the Council still are not sure if it will work. They have to bring in a university to assess if the waves are higher before final payment. If they are not, final payment is not made, and we have a little extra swell on the beach. The swell in the back pockets would be bigger. Is Mr. Brown and authority on the weather now. July and August the windiest months, where was he staying. Probably know where most of the wind was coming from. The majority of those two months were brilliant weather. Average wind speed throughout July and August was between 9 and 15km/h.

Cllr. Dunlop should have requested a scrutiny of costs, fundings and future monies long before now.

It is a lot money wasted, and more money is to be wasted on a project that will not come to fruition. It is time that those who have caused this are brought to office and made to answer the charges. I for one do not appreciate my money being wasted on ideas that could be better handled by a 5 year old sand castle builder on Bournemouth Beach.

Over to the Council Leaders, and Officers to get this sorted before it is too late.




pete woodley, bournemouth says...
4:39pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Chris... wrote:
Firstly I cannot understand how the Council and those in charge of this project can say that they are shocked at the news that ASR are working in India. This has been reported by me, and other members who have commented on this fiasco, since Christmas. If the Council and the Project Managers had done their work they would have found that ASR do not live up to their expectations and recommendations. It is not the first time they have left one job and moved on.

In their defence however, I would say that the project under Roger Brown and Co, and the Tourism under Cllr Dunlop have made a mockery of the whole situation in that they or at least some of them did not see this before now. Rather than squander money on something that was not happending, holding accommodation that no one is living in, and producing the biggest sham in Bournemouth since the Winter Gardens were removed, and the Square was blocked off.

Not only should the India story have been brought out earlier, it was known as I said, but the reef in ASR own country.

If it ever gets completed the Council still are not sure if it will work. They have to bring in a university to assess if the waves are higher before final payment. If they are not, final payment is not made, and we have a little extra swell on the beach. The swell in the back pockets would be bigger. Is Mr. Brown and authority on the weather now. July and August the windiest months, where was he staying. Probably know where most of the wind was coming from. The majority of those two months were brilliant weather. Average wind speed throughout July and August was between 9 and 15km/h.

Cllr. Dunlop should have requested a scrutiny of costs, fundings and future monies long before now.

It is a lot money wasted, and more money is to be wasted on a project that will not come to fruition. It is time that those who have caused this are brought to office and made to answer the charges. I for one do not appreciate my money being wasted on ideas that could be better handled by a 5 year old sand castle builder on Bournemouth Beach.

Over to the Council Leaders, and Officers to get this sorted before it is too late.



Feel better now,waste of time however as councillors and staff most certainly do not come online,or probably even read the Echo,and all the comments on earth,will not make them change their mind,or act differently,they live in a different world,and we are beneath them.

Sam Shepherd, says...
4:59pm Fri 13 Feb 09

@Papajoe thanks for those links, we've added them to our bookmarks - click the link at the bottom of the story to see them and the other articles we found about ASR

Bring Back Le Tiss, Bournemouth says...
5:25pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Local government is a joke - these guys wouldn't survive 5 minutes in the private sector with sloppy management like this.

onthebrink, Sandbanks says...
7:02pm Fri 13 Feb 09

We should be getting used to this!!
A load of lies and cover ups!
Surely somewhere in the contract (if it is worth the paper its written on) there should be late penalty clauses or something, yet the council is paying ASR to transport their equipment, paying their accomodation, and we are all footing the bill - Its a complete farce!

dopey, says...
8:02pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Have you not spotted the Friday 13th syndrome ?
FIVE "stories" abour a non-existent (gr)reef posted at (almost) one minute intervals: 0831,0833,0834,0836,
0837

I thought it must be 1st April !

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
9:42pm Fri 13 Feb 09

seek reef kevala india and you will find that if the reef is not completed by the end of march the tsunami fund availability cut-off date there is no money available at all for payment. Also it seems a number of containers are impounded on the wharfs needing payment for release so the job cant start. Also a visitors visa is needed for India let alone a work visa so the divers are probably also impounded - whats this all reminding one of??

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
9:52pm Fri 13 Feb 09

dopey wrote:
Have you not spotted the Friday 13th syndrome ? FIVE "stories" abour a non-existent (gr)reef posted at (almost) one minute intervals: 0831,0833,0834,0836, 0837 I thought it must be 1st April !
dont bag the kiteman -he 's the first I heard with any commonsense and experience in the ocean that debunked the drivel we have been hearing about the work conditions.

where are all the surfers in this - would we be seeing twice and long double height knee hight transformed to overhead waves this season -right now?

oh all for a 250k pound reef as was said so early in the process by one of the community proponents when one of ASR's doctors is quoted as halving the cost on a local website

pipistrollers, Bournemouth says...
11:01pm Fri 13 Feb 09

Roger Brown should be fired without collecting £200 for passing go.

In fact any of the Council who are to do with this reef mess should be fired.

I want to know why in the h*ll should we be paying to transport ASR's equipment round the world?

July & August were not very windy - I spent a lot of that time on Bournemouth beach swimming and the weather was fine.

Come on Echo - get a copy of the contract through the FOIA and have a good look at it and whilst at it, find out who owns the flats which were rented for no one to live there at our expense.


Chris..., says...
11:14pm Fri 13 Feb 09

pete woodley wrote:
Chris... wrote:
Firstly I cannot understand how the Council and those in charge of this project can say that they are shocked at the news that ASR are working in India. This has been reported by me, and other members who have commented on this fiasco, since Christmas. If the Council and the Project Managers had done their work they would have found that ASR do not live up to their expectations and recommendations. It is not the first time they have left one job and moved on.

In their defence however, I would say that the project under Roger Brown and Co, and the Tourism under Cllr Dunlop have made a mockery of the whole situation in that they or at least some of them did not see this before now. Rather than squander money on something that was not happending, holding accommodation that no one is living in, and producing the biggest sham in Bournemouth since the Winter Gardens were removed, and the Square was blocked off.

Not only should the India story have been brought out earlier, it was known as I said, but the reef in ASR own country.

If it ever gets completed the Council still are not sure if it will work. They have to bring in a university to assess if the waves are higher before final payment. If they are not, final payment is not made, and we have a little extra swell on the beach. The swell in the back pockets would be bigger. Is Mr. Brown and authority on the weather now. July and August the windiest months, where was he staying. Probably know where most of the wind was coming from. The majority of those two months were brilliant weather. Average wind speed throughout July and August was between 9 and 15km/h.

Cllr. Dunlop should have requested a scrutiny of costs, fundings and future monies long before now.

It is a lot money wasted, and more money is to be wasted on a project that will not come to fruition. It is time that those who have caused this are brought to office and made to answer the charges. I for one do not appreciate my money being wasted on ideas that could be better handled by a 5 year old sand castle builder on Bournemouth Beach.

Over to the Council Leaders, and Officers to get this sorted before it is too late.



Feel better now,waste of time however as councillors and staff most certainly do not come online,or probably even read the Echo,and all the comments on earth,will not make them change their mind,or act differently,they live in a different world,and we are beneath them.
Oh yes Peter I do feel better. And I have to agree with you regarding the Councillors. However, I do take the time out to right exactly the same to them directly, and to post on other forums that they may take a look at. This is just for the readers benefits and the odd Cllr that does look in. They do you know, remember Omegaman.


time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
7:11am Sat 14 Feb 09

we have little choice than make the best out of the circumstances.
But that doesn't mean we will see the 250k pound initial estimate reef provide us with the double days of double size surf when a knee high wave is amplified by this reef to an overhead wave. These words came from ASR and were publicly voiced by their local supporters and then as everyone in Europe will also want a reef we tripped over ourselves to be the first.

The real marine professionals are weeing their pants laughing at how gullible we have been and each look at the other saying "logistics and professional contractual arrangements " have met new levels of benchmarks are being called "the Bournemouth scale" of achievement comparism.

so that's what the first reef in Europe has achieved in history and posterity.

Lets see how low it will go when the waves start attracting everybody from Europe to stay and surf awhile.

achievement in the water will have text books quoting what happened. People will just leave it off their CV's as an achievement that meets everyday construction ordinary success standards.

oh isn't that what the world has been telling us ?

Emulated, Bournemouth says...
12:13pm Sat 14 Feb 09

Looking on the bright side the reef could be extended to form marina and then we would get the posh people from Canford Cliffs with their luxury boats mooring up. Think how many more ice creams could be sold at rich peoples prices.

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
5:37pm Sat 14 Feb 09

i wonder if there is a "removal clause" if the reef causes more damage than good as at the Mount reef.

But with whats been thought for providence there may as well be a "sanity clause" -- but we know now thats theres no such person as sanity clause!

emulated has at least thought of providence and other uses - but just maybe a wave wil break one day that the scores of photographers catch and the news will go out to the world -it was worth it.

lets hope!

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
12:10am Sun 15 Feb 09


from the "times on line"

"More than £10m from the Indian government’s Tsunami Rehabilitation Programme has been allocated to areas that were not affected by the tsunami. Kerala Tourism has disguised the diversion of the funds as “coastal protection” in an attempt to quell local outrage, but the works consist almost entirely of extravagant construction projects designed to maximise the profit potential of the once sleepy resort of Kovalam.

One of these projects is the construction of an artificial surf reef that has been designed to increase the size of the waves hitting the coast. Local opposition groups claim that turning the bay into a playground for westerners will put 500 fishermen out of work and put fish breeding grounds at risk."

http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/travel/
news/article4921034.
ece

weevie, Bournemouth says...
7:35am Thu 19 Feb 09

You know, I'm starting to think the Echo is a useful defuser for people's voices. The council must be so thankful. All these comments, no-one actually organising a real protest, with real teeth.
Have you noticed, just down Poole bay, the excellent, timely, locally sourced work Dean & Dyball are doing for the far-sighted Poole Council? Marine engineering, incidentally.
Do we really need, in these awful times, such an caring, messy, unprofessional bunch running this Borough?

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
9:41am Fri 20 Feb 09

local divers - what a shock ?
is it possible that marine construction actually happens north of the equator?
the word on the wires is that prattes reef in california is to be removed by divers from alaska and the mount reef (renamed meades reef as it was his high school project that prompted it) is also up for removal as that contact has a "sanity clause" in it and the erosion and rips are too obvious and not tolerable(there has also been a drowning)

blacks reef in opanake is being negotiated -get this NEGOTIATED to be completed -what? oops it seems it was do and charge and more money is always needed

and last of all is weights reef and tsunami relief reef to be any of the above? -we will see, we will see but we all live in hope of some minor form of positive outcome.

The coastal engineering and scientific community are all backing that at best artificial reefs have some neutral effect at worst actually cause erosion - but why we say ?

it seems unless the intevention is massive and overwhelming to the natural process's in all tides one cant really predict what stage of an evolutionary geomorphological phase of development a coastline is in or is being attempted to be "morphed" to and as we know nature has many phases and mixed signals working at best a little obvious - so a high school project will sort that out sustainably?

Well maybe not. thus Meades Mount reef to be removed along with prattes

we can each make up our own minds on that -but as we know if someones trying to convince you that somethings just too good to be true - well ... ummm... sorry it usually is?

regardless if it comes with free sweets for the surfing kiddies or not.

so as always we should have been aware and known to beware of geeks bearing gifts!! ( and that was not a typo)

but to have a entire town and its livehood used as a social and coastline experiment based on "learning as we go" is certainly "out there" as progressive

Fine, progressive is good -but probity and due diligence demands risk management and minimal if at all exposure of public resources and funds.

Too much has been risked and still at risk to be able to give this process any tick of approval at all!

keep digging echo as the public are relying on you.

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
2:33am Sat 14 Mar 09

as bob49 says "moneycombe" based on the use of 'waveagra'

can I go home NOW on full pay -see i said it?

time nor Tide, bournemouth says...
6:36am Sun 15 Mar 09

oh there is help on the horizon with a scientic formula based on vimax to add the your patent reef formulae -wavemax

ripples of kNee height will be transformed to overhead barrells of grade 5 on a pipeline is 8 benchmark. just knee height ripples -imagine that . the formulae based on the very much mooted bigger , longer and more of “you know what’ -umm ..down there

does exactly what the bourmouth reef will do -double the size for twice a s long for double the days a year -then if you can drag yourself out of the water and into bed with your partner the entire experience happens over again due to the “wavemax-vimax” patent technology by the fabulOus wave masters at reefers central.

so when you see them on your beach handing out boiled sweets to get support for another reef just yell oouut GO WAVEMAX FOR VIAMAX FOR REEFERS CENTRAL.

All the adds for viamax show all the girls just thrilled with amazment in the prospects that viamax has - sounds a bit like what effect wavemax technology had on surfers when it was promised a as knee height to overhead transformations of 5/10 when pipeline was 8/10 -ie bigger faster longer for more times

i think i see a comparism in the way these things are sold ....

wait yes there is a comparism -perhaps simlar to the way herbal teas are sold to also do everything you wish ..

oh but that was peter foster and cheriegate -(it was just bad press)

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