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7:00am Tuesday 13th January 2009 in News By Stephen Bailey
'WELL DONE ME': Cllr Ben Grower
THE internet postings were the rarest of things – praise for a councillor.
Only it turns out the man behind the praise for Bournemouth’s Cllr Ben Grower was – Cllr Ben Grower.
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He has used the Echo’s website to praise himself and other Labour members under the name ‘Omegaman’.
Under one surf reef story he wrote: “At least two councillors seem to be concerned about this mess. Well done Cllrs Ratcliffe and Grower.” Cllr Basil Ratcliffe is a Conservative councillor who has been sceptical about the reef.
On another about a housing plan in Kinson he wrote: “I have friends who live in the area. They say councillors Ted Taylor and Ben Grower fought hard against the proposals.”
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And on one about the expansion of a dentist’s surgery he wrote: “Just shows that the area does have councillors who care about their residents.
“Well done Ted Taylor, Ben Grower and Beryl Baxter.”
‘Omegaman’ is registered with an address containing Cllr Grower’s name, which does not appear to other readers. When contacted, Cllr Grower initially suggested several people had access to his computer and said: “It could be anybody. It could be me, it could be Santa Claus.”
But he later said: “I have done nothing against the law. And probably next time I will just use a different pseudonym.”
Cllr Grower said responsibility lies with the Daily Echo because people can post under assumed names, and that the comments were only fun that no-one took seriously.
When asked if his approach was appropriate given his public role, he claimed members of other parties did the same.
Leader of the Council and the Conservative group Cllr Stephen MacLoughlin said: “Councillors need to be above reproach and they need to be very careful to avoid anything that could be seen as deceiving the public.”
Leader of the Liberal Democrats Cllr Claire Smith said: “I think it’s quite funny and tragic when you have to start praising yourself online.
“Your work should stand on its own.”
THE Echo does respect its readers’ right to anonymity but we felt that when a councillor pretends to be somebody else to improve his reputation that it is of sufficient public interest to tell
people about it.
Nick Rowe, website editor - no really...
Comments(141)
charley farley west parley
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7:07am Tue 13 Jan 09
silky
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7:26am Tue 13 Jan 09
Seriously though, I think people feel able to post and air their true opinion safe in the knowledge that they are kept anonymous. I for one don't appreciate the Echo revealing personal details of posters, especially to create a pretty boring "scoop".
Emulated
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7:54am Tue 13 Jan 09
john_the_voice_has moved
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8:03am Tue 13 Jan 09
Hope they dont find out who I am
john_the_voice_has moved
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8:10am Tue 13 Jan 09
john_the_voice_has moved wrote:Yes John, me also.
Dam Hope they dont find out who I am
This is exactly how Natzi Germany started....
overthehills
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8:32am Tue 13 Jan 09
BTW, I didn't realise Nazi Germany had the internet - more advanced than I thought.
May I just say that overthehills is a wonderful person and deserves as much self-praise as he/she can manage ;)
Laurie Marsh
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9:44am Tue 13 Jan 09
Apart from me of course!
Hello......?
gobzilla
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10:02am Tue 13 Jan 09
pete woodley
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10:54am Tue 13 Jan 09
Lord Jesus
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11:46am Tue 13 Jan 09
Learn to live together and accept the weakness of others with your own strengths
gobzilla
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11:49am Tue 13 Jan 09
osy
your sedation is wearing off again
In Absentia
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12:55pm Tue 13 Jan 09
djd
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1:21pm Tue 13 Jan 09
winton50
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2:16pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Surely he should have taken advantage of the interweb facilities at the local libraries?
Numpty.
silky
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2:27pm Tue 13 Jan 09
overthehills wrote:I wasn't referring to anonymity to the forum owner, I was referring to anonymity to the other forum users. Glad to give you a laugh though, overthehills. If, indeed, that is your real name....
Most people posting on forums are on their home computers and therefore not anonymous to the forum's owner. Anyone who thinks they are is fooling themselves only! This made me laugh. BTW, I didn't realise Nazi Germany had the internet - more advanced than I thought. May I just say that overthehills is a wonderful person and deserves as much self-praise as he/she can manage ;)
magicmonkey
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2:46pm Tue 13 Jan 09
I've told him what I think. Do the same if you're of a mind:
ben.grower@bournemou
th.gov.uk
Albo
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3:09pm Tue 13 Jan 09
100% of FACT.
Megaman
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4:17pm Tue 13 Jan 09
pete woodley
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4:29pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Megaman wrote:I wonder if Ted Taylor and Beryl Baxter condone his behaviour,as fellow councillors for Kinson South,we should hope not.
Well done to the Echo's staff for calling this guy out. A councillor using sock puppets to praise himself is very weak. It reveals a lot about his character (or lack of) and demonstrates massive insecurity. Voters have a right to know about deceitful activities committed by those they have given power to. Thanks.
DailyView
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4:42pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Some members no doubt also.
Bosskom
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5:27pm Tue 13 Jan 09
rayc
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5:29pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Zzzz
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5:29pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Woodlanda
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7:39pm Tue 13 Jan 09
pete woodley
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7:49pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Woodlanda wrote:Exactly,we never see him even at election times.
S'pose it explains why he hasn't got the time to spend in his ward, unlike the other two Labour representatives.
Kate1980
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8:58pm Tue 13 Jan 09
John T
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9:00pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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9:14pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Why are the Daily Echo allowing this form of humiliation of a public figure?
I think its become obvious to many of us that this paper has a deep antipathy towards local councillors
Cllr Grower has a wife and children how does the reporter even know for 'definite' it wasnt another member of Cllr Growers family posting on this site?
It seems the Daily Echo thinks that local politicians deserve to be abused- so what if he bigs up his colleagues or even himself Bournemouth Hospital allows their staff to nominate themselves for awards whats wrong with praising yourself (or more likely defending yourself) on here against abusive/critical comments from members of the public
Get over it Daily Echo
pete woodley
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9:57pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Leave stephen Bailey alone,and admit to us that you serve on a committee with grower,most of us here are fully aware of you.
Stephen Bailey what a nasty piece of cheap shot journalism
Why are the Daily Echo allowing this form of humiliation of a public figure?
I think its become obvious to many of us that this paper has a deep antipathy towards local councillors
Cllr Grower has a wife and children how does the reporter even know for 'definite' it wasnt another member of Cllr Growers family posting on this site?
It seems the Daily Echo thinks that local politicians deserve to be abused- so what if he bigs up his colleagues or even himself Bournemouth Hospital allows their staff to nominate themselves for awards whats wrong with praising yourself (or more likely defending yourself) on here against abusive/critical comments from members of the public
Get over it Daily Echo
Woodlanda
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10:02pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Possibly nothing wrong with drawing attention to what you may feel you have done that's worthwhile - but not hiding your identity while doing it and posing as a third party.
Stephen Bailey what a nasty piece of cheap shot journalism Why are the Daily Echo allowing this form of humiliation of a public figure? I think its become obvious to many of us that this paper has a deep antipathy towards local councillors Cllr Grower has a wife and children how does the reporter even know for 'definite' it wasnt another member of Cllr Growers family posting on this site? It seems the Daily Echo thinks that local politicians deserve to be abused- so what if he bigs up his colleagues or even himself Bournemouth Hospital allows their staff to nominate themselves for awards whats wrong with praising yourself (or more likely defending yourself) on here against abusive/critical comments from members of the public Get over it Daily Echo
son of omegaman
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10:07pm Tue 13 Jan 09
pete woodley
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10:16pm Tue 13 Jan 09
son of omegaman wrote:Are you sure he's your dad,it could be another lie.
I am reading it all - keep it up it is really great to read all the comment. My dad would be proud!
son of omegaman
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10:21pm Tue 13 Jan 09
pete woodley wrote:Are you sure you are your father's son
son of omegaman wrote: I am reading it all - keep it up it is really great to read all the comment. My dad would be proud!Are you sure he's your dad,it could be another lie.
son of omegaman
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10:24pm Tue 13 Jan 09
mrmrmr
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10:28pm Tue 13 Jan 09
I hope Mr Grower feels well and truly embarrassed. It is reflective of his low opinion of himself that he has had to publicly praise himself in such a fashion. If he was satisfied that the public admired his work then there would have been no need for his actions.
Councillors hold far too much power to be acting in such an immature way. Is someone who stoops to this level really suited to his role in the Council?
son of omegaman
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10:35pm Tue 13 Jan 09
pete woodley wrote:Now thats not just fair - dad has had to get me out of bed to reply and I was having such a nice dream.
son of omegaman wrote:Yes you could be a grower,same idiotic responses and stupidity,grow up sonny.i am sure about my father,you obviously are not.Think of something original,or stick to your comics.pete woodley wrote:Are you sure you are your father's sonson of omegaman wrote: I am reading it all - keep it up it is really great to read all the comment. My dad would be proud!Are you sure he's your dad,it could be another lie.
If I am late for school tomorrow it will be all your fault because I have overslept.
Nick2
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10:48pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Quote from the Forum..
The real reason politicians try so hard to get re-elected is that they would hate to have to make a living under the laws they've passed..
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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11:26pm Tue 13 Jan 09
I actually laughed out loud when I read the article (while I was in the queue at Tesco's)
I laughed out loud...then I felt very sad
at how petty our local paper is
amused
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5:38am Wed 14 Jan 09
John T
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8:24am Wed 14 Jan 09
At very least,if they are not aware of any, could the Echo at least categorically declare this to be the case?
Geoff-Kinson
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8:45am Wed 14 Jan 09
I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?
John T
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8:48am Wed 14 Jan 09
pete woodley wrote:As I recall, you reported Cllr Grower to the Standards Committee for making it public knowledge that you did not bother to vote at the last local elections as revealed by the Council's marked register. You probably thought this information was confidential, just as many of us did when we reveal our private information to register on this website. No doubt, you would vote, if you could be bothered to, against the Echo disclosing the confidential information it holds on contributors to this website. I am sure Nick Rowe has things he could let us know about you, if we were in the least bit interested.
At last grower has been exposed,how stupid and despicable can a councillor get,and even tried to deny it to the Echo,as many know i pointed this out ages ago,and had nasty comments from grower which i reported to the standards committee,but the "old pals act" came in and nothing got done.Well done Nick Rowe for showing up this very dubious individual,who is a disgrace to the council.He should be suspended,but "all pals together" will reign.
The_Flying_Trouser
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8:48am Wed 14 Jan 09
Please, please, please don't reveal my true identity.
It would damage the world at large if the myth and magic surrounding the analytical super hero "The Flying Trouser" were to be vanquished.
Much love, as ever,
Barack. x
The_Flying_Trouser
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8:58am Wed 14 Jan 09
At the end of the day, when I read a comment, that comment is, in my mind, the view of one person and one person only.
So, if I read a comment saying "Well done to Arthur Arbuthnot QC, MP, PDQ, ASAP" I still retain the intelligence and mental capacity to judge for myself whether Arthur is worthy such praise, if any.
This sort of thing will happened in an on-line world where inhabitants of that world are, rightly, given freedom of expression.
Have you ever heard of Wikipedia? Created and edited by all, and should be judged as such.
John T
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9:05am Wed 14 Jan 09
I have only one word to say to you....Pants!
oneshortleg
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9:16am Wed 14 Jan 09
amused
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9:18am Wed 14 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Not petty we are entitled to know if our ELECTED representitives are masquerading on a website, self praise is no reccomendation.
To be honest I think the Daily Echo should be ashamed of itself because this story is ridiculous I actually laughed out loud when I read the article (while I was in the queue at Tesco's) I laughed out loud...then I felt very sad at how petty our local paper is
Megaman
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9:18am Wed 14 Jan 09
org/wiki/Sockpuppet_
(Internet)
Megaman
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9:19am Wed 14 Jan 09
org/wiki/Sockpuppet_
(Internet)
noel1
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9:59am Wed 14 Jan 09
oneshortleg wrote:No, I believe there is a public interest clause in the Data Protection Act.
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!
And even if there isn't and Mr Grower took it to court the judge would probably point out that the law was there to protect our legitimate data not assist in an attempt to mis-lead people.
As others have said self praise is no praise at all.
You should be ashamed of your self Mr Grower, my father was a fellow councilor with you and would never had done such a low and despicable thing as this.
No wonder many honest, hard working councilors get are held in unjustifiably low public esteem when the self-publicists like you do things like this.
oneshortleg
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10:14am Wed 14 Jan 09
noel1 wrote:Whilst i take your point and yes he has been stupid, if i signed up for something that promised me anonimity i would be a bit upset if my details were then released because someone deemed it in the public interest.
oneshortleg wrote: Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!No, I believe there is a public interest clause in the Data Protection Act. And even if there isn't and Mr Grower took it to court the judge would probably point out that the law was there to protect our legitimate data not assist in an attempt to mis-lead people. As others have said self praise is no praise at all. You should be ashamed of your self Mr Grower, my father was a fellow councilor with you and would never had done such a low and despicable thing as this. No wonder many honest, hard working councilors get are held in unjustifiably low public esteem when the self-publicists like you do things like this.
Megaman
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10:17am Wed 14 Jan 09
oneshortleg wrote:I'm sorry but the councillor has no recourse to legal action. The newspaper would not have taken the decision to publish this lightly and would have considered any possible legal ramifications.
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!
By registering his "Omegaman" account Cllr Grower agreed to the site's terms and conditions which state:
20.
If we find your use of this site seriously inappropriate, offensive or disruptive, we may use information we have about you to stop such conduct, and this may include informing relevant third parties such as your employer, school, email provider or, in the case of any suspected unlawful activity, the police.
oneshortleg
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10:19am Wed 14 Jan 09
Megaman wrote:I stand corrected
oneshortleg wrote: Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!I'm sorry but the councillor has no recourse to legal action. The newspaper would not have taken the decision to publish this lightly and would have considered any possible legal ramifications. By registering his "Omegaman" account Cllr Grower agreed to the site's terms and conditions which state: 20. If we find your use of this site seriously inappropriate, offensive or disruptive, we may use information we have about you to stop such conduct, and this may include informing relevant third parties such as your employer, school, email provider or, in the case of any suspected unlawful activity, the police.
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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10:31am Wed 14 Jan 09
oneshortleg wrote:I agree with oneshortleg
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!
Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission
Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article
They have been quite underhanded
Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians
If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper
pete woodley
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10:40am Wed 14 Jan 09
John T wrote:I have nothing to hide and do give my name,you know that john,so whats your point,as explained by another poster,the Echo were within their rights.Actually john i reported grower for other things,but as he sits on standards committee,whats the point.
pete woodley wrote:As I recall, you reported Cllr Grower to the Standards Committee for making it public knowledge that you did not bother to vote at the last local elections as revealed by the Council's marked register. You probably thought this information was confidential, just as many of us did when we reveal our private information to register on this website. No doubt, you would vote, if you could be bothered to, against the Echo disclosing the confidential information it holds on contributors to this website. I am sure Nick Rowe has things he could let us know about you, if we were in the least bit interested.
At last grower has been exposed,how stupid and despicable can a councillor get,and even tried to deny it to the Echo,as many know i pointed this out ages ago,and had nasty comments from grower which i reported to the standards committee,but the "old pals act" came in and nothing got done.Well done Nick Rowe for showing up this very dubious individual,who is a disgrace to the council.He should be suspended,but "all pals together" will reign.
onelongleg
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10:50am Wed 14 Jan 09
John T
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10:55am Wed 14 Jan 09
Megaman wrote: oneshortleg wrote: Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!I'm sorry but the councillor has no recourse to legal action. The newspaper would not have taken the decision to publish this lightly and would have considered any possible legal ramifications. By registering his Perhaps Section 20 of the Echo's terms and conditions on use of this site should be amended to read 'we may use information we have about you and this may include informing relevant third parties such as your employer or anybody Nick Rowe chooses to bleat to!'
Rather appropriately, my security word for this posting was 'pull-soon'.
P.S. I understand Poole Council's infamous spy organisation are looking for new recruits!
georgeianbladder
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11:14am Wed 14 Jan 09
In Absentia
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11:20am Wed 14 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Dear Fiona
oneshortleg wrote: Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!I agree with oneshortleg Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article They have been quite underhanded Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper
You're making a bit of a fool of yourself now. Amazingly, this story has even reached the Daily Telegraph today. Ben Grower was a fool to come on these boards anonymously and start praising himself and his ward colleagues.
If Mr Grower escalates this towards legal action he will only make himself look more stupid. He ought to apologise and keep his head down for a bit.
DailyView
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12:16pm Wed 14 Jan 09
Perhaps you being a perspective or possible Cllr in time to come, you find this a good PR route.
In my opinion it is exactly the same as giving false information on an application form and a CV. Either way you are given a false representation of yourself. For your gain.
pete woodley
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12:34pm Wed 14 Jan 09
DailyView wrote:On this i agree,could it be because she sits on a committee with grower.The best pr route is surely, to be seen around your ward,meeting and talking openly to the residents and taking up their grievances.What has happened,takes the mickey out of the electors,and voting numbers will go down instead of up,its very low as it stands.Above all be HONEST.
Why is Fiona acting as she is against the Daily Echo. Surely it is the duty of a local paper to let the general public know that we have a Councillor who is using a public system to hype up himself, using other user names from his own.
Perhaps you being a perspective or possible Cllr in time to come, you find this a good PR route.
In my opinion it is exactly the same as giving false information on an application form and a CV. Either way you are given a false representation of yourself. For your gain.
Linguist
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12:56pm Wed 14 Jan 09
The_Flying_Trouser wrote:Just a guess but.... you wouldn't be the 'leader of the council' would you, flying trouserman?
Dear Daily Echo, Please, please, please don't reveal my true identity. It would damage the world at large if the myth and magic surrounding the analytical super hero "The Flying Trouser" were to be vanquished. Much love, as ever, Barack. x
PoisonedPen
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2:28pm Wed 14 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Absolutely.
oneshortleg wrote:I agree with oneshortleg
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!
Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission
Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article
They have been quite underhanded
Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians
If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper
I don't recall the Privacy Policy of this site saying 'We reserve the right to publish your identity to the world' when I signed up.
The Daily Echo's actions in violating the trust of their users are far more significant than Cllr Grower posting about himself in the third person.
None of you commenting here can now trust what this company will do with your personal information.
John T
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2:44pm Wed 14 Jan 09
ever you might be.
pete woodley
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2:58pm Wed 14 Jan 09
John T
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3:29pm Wed 14 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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3:53pm Wed 14 Jan 09
PoisonedPen wrote:The paper is finding this very amusing
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Absolutely.
oneshortleg wrote:I agree with oneshortleg
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!
Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission
Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article
They have been quite underhanded
Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians
If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper
I don't recall the Privacy Policy of this site saying 'We reserve the right to publish your identity to the world' when I signed up.
The Daily Echo's actions in violating the trust of their users are far more significant than Cllr Grower posting about himself in the third person.
None of you commenting here can now trust what this company will do with your personal information.
its pleased with itself that this story has gone worldwide
I hope Cllr Grower doesnt take this to heart
30 odd years seving the public means absolutely nothing to the Echo as long as Nick and Stephen can get a cheap laugh and a bit of recognition thats all that matters...
frying leper
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4:08pm Wed 14 Jan 09
The_Flying_Trouser
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4:14pm Wed 14 Jan 09
Linguist wrote:No sir,
The_Flying_Trouser wrote: Dear Daily Echo, Please, please, please don't reveal my true identity. It would damage the world at large if the myth and magic surrounding the analytical super hero "The Flying Trouser" were to be vanquished. Much love, as ever, Barack. xJust a guess but.... you wouldn't be the 'leader of the council' would you, flying trouserman?
Just a concerned Super Hero, with my opinionated pants on the outside of my analytical trousers.
"To the ButtonFly-Mobile... QUICKLY!!"
pete woodley
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4:22pm Wed 14 Jan 09
John T wrote:Dont think so john,there are good and bad in all walks of society,and politics brings out the worst in some people,i am known for straight talking and honesty,which would not fit in with most politicians.Most politicians are in league with each other.As long as the Echo gives them good publicity,they are all for it,but when the truth and facts get out,the clique,rally around and condemn the Echo,lucky they are in the minority,and most of would like to know the truth and how we are being fooled with.
Blimey,pete woodley sticking up for the Echo.Whatever next,Pete?..you'll be rejoining the Liberal Party!
DailyView
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4:53pm Wed 14 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Fiona, you are making it amusing yourself. The reporter is given a story to persue, he detects, collects, writes. It is edited, and then published under the authority of the Editor, neither of which you have mentioned. Nick Rowe is the online Editor (or one of them) who only copies on stories that have already been seen in the Daily Echo as you pointed out yourself.
PoisonedPen wrote:The paper is finding this very amusing
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Absolutely.
oneshortleg wrote:I agree with oneshortleg
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!
Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission
Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article
They have been quite underhanded
Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians
If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper
I don't recall the Privacy Policy of this site saying 'We reserve the right to publish your identity to the world' when I signed up.
The Daily Echo's actions in violating the trust of their users are far more significant than Cllr Grower posting about himself in the third person.
None of you commenting here can now trust what this company will do with your personal information.
its pleased with itself that this story has gone worldwide
I hope Cllr Grower doesnt take this to heart
30 odd years seving the public means absolutely nothing to the Echo as long as Nick and Stephen can get a cheap laugh and a bit of recognition thats all that matters...
Do you browse the papers to see if the story is elsewhere, no one else does. The fact is that Mr. Grower went against his constitution of local government, or, was in some way aware of it taking place. Not doing anything about it was for his own gain.
Whether you work with Mr. Grower on some committee he belongs to, or he is a representative in your Dept of Mental Health. You shoul not be condoning what he has done. By doing this, you are saying that it is alright for all local officials to do the same.
potsandkettles
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10:09pm Wed 14 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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11:17pm Wed 14 Jan 09
potsandkettles wrote:
What Ms Throop fails to address is the fact that this man has abused his position for his own gain and brought the council into direpute. You have to ask yourself: if he can be deceitful about this, what else can he be deceitful about? It might seem trivial to some, but he's done himself damage. Of course, he's not the only one at it - the leader of another southern council beginning with F and ending with m does it all the time, both on local news websites and local forums. Tragic indeed.
I personally dont feel this matter does bring the council into disrepute but I do feel the Daily Echo has seen fit to bring the council into disrepute (for its own amusement)
I feel some perspective is urgently needed now
This is a forum where individuals post calling themselves such names as zombiejesus and fedupwithjobsworths it isnt a (wholly) serious forum
And in answer to DailyView's comment...
''Whether you work with Mr. Grower on some committee he belongs to, or he is a representative in your Dept of Mental Health. You shoul not be condoning what he has done. By doing this, you are saying that it is alright for all local officials to do the same.''
I respect Cllr Grower because he takes his role on the NHS committee seriously.
He is one of the few councillor representatives on the NHS Board of Governors who makes a meaningful contribution to the meeting,he actually stays for the duration of the meeting (others from other local councils walk out halfway through)
DailyView
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12:08am Thu 15 Jan 09
You cannot blame the media for this, he made the mistake himself and got caught out. It has caused problems within the Council as a whole, and the Leader, Cllr MacLoughlin is not a happy man as seen on the televised news this evening.
Standards Fiona, Cllr's are meant to have Standards.
frying leper
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9:53am Thu 15 Jan 09
wonderway
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9:57am Thu 15 Jan 09
silky
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10:03am Thu 15 Jan 09
Geoff-Kinson wrote:I agree that we have the right to remain anonymous unless lawbreaking is involved, Geoff. Then it should be passed to the relevant authorities, not splashed across the front page! With regard to being approached last summer, I seem to remember that you have given more information on yourself than I would have felt happy to give myself. It's amazing how one or two small pieces of info can be pieced together by those who are regular readers on here. I recommend everyone if very guarded when posting info on here. I treat this place the same as exchanging opinions to a stranger on the street.
Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?
John T
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10:52am Thu 15 Jan 09
What is the point of being guarded on this website if the Echo feel at liberty to publicise your personal details to the World?!
And before the Echo publicise who I am,I will let everyone know that I do not condone Cllr Grower's behaviour and nor am I one of the few remaining supporters of his Party in this area.
(Sorry if part of this posting sounds as egotistical as Cllr Grower).
silky
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11:20am Thu 15 Jan 09
John T wrote:You don't sound egostistical John T! When I talk about information I don't just mean facts like name, area, etc but the everyday things about your life. For instance, what meetings you attend and precise details about your road/neighbourhood etc I just think sometimes it's easy to let things slip that can be pieced together. Not only on this forum but plenty of other locally connected forums. THe risk with this one is there is a direct route to the printing press if the Echo feels anything is in the public interest.
silky What is the point of being guarded on this website if the Echo feel at liberty to publicise your personal details to the World?! And before the Echo publicise who I am,I will let everyone know that I do not condone Cllr Grower's behaviour and nor am I one of the few remaining supporters of his Party in this area. (Sorry if part of this posting sounds as egotistical as Cllr Grower).
John T
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2:25pm Thu 15 Jan 09
Thanks, and I do appreciate and wholeheartedly agree with your words of warning to one and all.
frying leper
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2:49pm Thu 15 Jan 09
That's what I've been told anyway
frying leper
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3:55pm Thu 15 Jan 09
starring
CHARLTON HESTON
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OMEG MAN
addmission 9d
John T
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5:37pm Thu 15 Jan 09
Geoff-Kinson
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8:39pm Thu 15 Jan 09
silky wrote:I take your point silky.
Geoff-Kinson wrote: Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?I agree that we have the right to remain anonymous unless lawbreaking is involved, Geoff. Then it should be passed to the relevant authorities, not splashed across the front page! With regard to being approached last summer, I seem to remember that you have given more information on yourself than I would have felt happy to give myself. It's amazing how one or two small pieces of info can be pieced together by those who are regular readers on here. I recommend everyone if very guarded when posting info on here. I treat this place the same as exchanging opinions to a stranger on the street.
Perhaps best not to take any further part if this happens !
frying leper
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9:10pm Thu 15 Jan 09
potsandkettles
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11:22am Fri 16 Jan 09
Of course it does. By using this deceit, the councillor has betrayed his constituents' trust and fallen foul of the Standards he swore to uphold.
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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3:05pm Fri 16 Jan 09
John T wrote:Its now up to the electorate in Kinson to decide Cllr Growers fate at the next local elections
silky
Thanks, and I do appreciate and wholeheartedly agree with your words of warning to one and all.
I think also that this serves as a warning to all Cllr's not to treat these type of sites lightly in the future
Its not a good idea to allow others- ie friends or family to post on their pc's because the website host has details of all their ip numbers and could jump to conclusions....
pete woodley
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4:12pm Fri 16 Jan 09
Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:Stop going on, once more, about friends or family using pc's,it was grower himself,and he HAS admitted it.As said by others, your defence of grower,is quite amusing,and must make plenty wonder about the type of person that serves on N.H.S. committees,and how anyone can support someone being very devious,and to blame Stephen Bailey,Nick Rowe,and the Echo,Very few will agree on that,but still you go on ?.
John T wrote:Its now up to the electorate in Kinson to decide Cllr Growers fate at the next local elections
silky
Thanks, and I do appreciate and wholeheartedly agree with your words of warning to one and all.
I think also that this serves as a warning to all Cllr's not to treat these type of sites lightly in the future
Its not a good idea to allow others- ie friends or family to post on their pc's because the website host has details of all their ip numbers and could jump to conclusions....
John T
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4:47pm Fri 16 Jan 09
pete woodley
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5:00pm Fri 16 Jan 09
John T wrote:Come on John,are you being racial whats it got to do with the Greeks,grower is not a greek.there is another suitable word like it.
If you were not 'known for your straight talking and honesty'(not to mention humility),pete,it would be a fitting conclusion to this saga if you were to register as Omegaman 2 and have the final word...Until then, the fuss is all Greek to me!
frying leper
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5:37pm Fri 16 Jan 09
silky
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5:53pm Fri 16 Jan 09
pete woodley wrote:Leek?
John T wrote: If you were not 'known for your straight talking and honesty'(not to mention humility),pete,it would be a fitting conclusion to this saga if you were to register as Omegaman 2 and have the final word...Until then, the fuss is all Greek to me!Come on John,are you being racial whats it got to do with the Greeks,grower is not a greek.there is another suitable word like it.
silky
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5:55pm Fri 16 Jan 09
Geoff-Kinson wrote:Oh, don't do that Geoff! I for one enjoy reading your posts. All the best :o)
silky wrote:I take your point silky. Perhaps best not to take any further part if this happens !Geoff-Kinson wrote: Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?I agree that we have the right to remain anonymous unless lawbreaking is involved, Geoff. Then it should be passed to the relevant authorities, not splashed across the front page! With regard to being approached last summer, I seem to remember that you have given more information on yourself than I would have felt happy to give myself. It's amazing how one or two small pieces of info can be pieced together by those who are regular readers on here. I recommend everyone if very guarded when posting info on here. I treat this place the same as exchanging opinions to a stranger on the street.
pete woodley
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6:14pm Fri 16 Jan 09
Geoff-Kinson wrote:Silky's right Geoff,it was so easy to see who you were by what you said in your comments,and as you had a stand there,was i wrong to dare to speak to you,what are you scared of,you are not that important,so who would want to have a go at you,if you cause trouble amongst others,expect some retribution,but why would you want to ?.Carry on Geoff,but be very careful what you say about people,things do get repeated,and often by ones you know,and trust.
silky wrote:I take your point silky.
Geoff-Kinson wrote: Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?I agree that we have the right to remain anonymous unless lawbreaking is involved, Geoff. Then it should be passed to the relevant authorities, not splashed across the front page! With regard to being approached last summer, I seem to remember that you have given more information on yourself than I would have felt happy to give myself. It's amazing how one or two small pieces of info can be pieced together by those who are regular readers on here. I recommend everyone if very guarded when posting info on here. I treat this place the same as exchanging opinions to a stranger on the street.
Perhaps best not to take any further part if this happens !
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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7:14pm Fri 16 Jan 09
''The Echo does respect its readers’ right to anonymity but we felt that when a councillor pretends to be somebody else to improve his reputation that it is of sufficient public interest to tell people about it.
Nick Rowe, website editor - no really...''
Yes Cllr Grower made a mistake he trated this online forum friviously and not with the seriousness it deserved
However with regard to the two quotes Ive cut and pasted up there ^^^
The first by Stephen Bailey and the second by the website editor
Im sure you would agree they are quite sarcastic the website editor has made a quip after his name
I find it meanspirited they sound quite disrespectful,contem
ptuous even
Thats what I object to
frying leper
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9:06pm Fri 16 Jan 09
omega 3
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9:12pm Fri 16 Jan 09
son of omegaman
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9:15pm Fri 16 Jan 09
omegaman 2
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9:21pm Fri 16 Jan 09
John T wrote:Good idea - I have taken your adviceand withdraw all I have said. Pete
If you were not 'known for your straight talking and honesty'(not to mention humility),pete,it would be a fitting conclusion to this saga if you were to register as Omegaman 2 and have the final word...Until then, the fuss is all Greek to me!
pete woodley
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10:03pm Fri 16 Jan 09
son of omegaman wrote:Would that be one of the Triangle Queens,or Her Majesty.
My dad's over the moon - 100 hits - he expects a telegram from the queen tomorrow!
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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10:23pm Fri 16 Jan 09
''The Echo respects its readers’ right to anonymity but we felt that when a councillor pretends to be somebody else to improve his reputation that it is of sufficient public interest to tell people about it.”
Beware journalists who assert that there is a public interest. It’s used for all sorts of shabby and intrusive reasons. It’s not much of a privacy policy that says ‘your data’s private until we decide it’ll make a good story…’
and that’s before you address the issue of whether the privacy policy was comprehensible to the average person
There is an argument that Ben Grower’s personal data has been misused here.
Ben expected that his details, which include his email address, would not be used by the local paper to embarass him publicly.
Let’s think of an example that is less risible and more intrusive. Suppose that a happily married local councillor were to register for the dating section of a newspaper’s website, and placed some adverts in the gay section. Would the newspaper be right to plead public interest while happily using his personal data to stand up a story about his hypocrisy?
pete woodley
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10:39pm Fri 16 Jan 09
son of omegaman
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10:40pm Fri 16 Jan 09
pete woodley wrote:Omegaman 2 please stop trying tp pass yourself off as pete. It only confusses all of us.If you have anytthing to say please keep it in the family.
son of omegaman wrote: My dad's over the moon - 100 hits - he expects a telegram from the queen tomorrow!Would that be one of the Triangle Queens,or Her Majesty.
GAHmusic
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12:11am Sat 17 Jan 09
Two things about IP addresses
1. Most private homes have dynamic IP addresses that change every time your Pc/router is turned on
2. The information that can be obtained from an IP address by the average person or news paper is scant at best even misleading, on some occasions the only accurate way to know who someone is by an IP address is to obtain the records for the exact time and date from the issuing ISP (Internet Service Provider) as to who the address was leased to at that time and I can assure you they would not give this to a local paper on suspicion of a local councillor bigging himself up on a forum that for the most part is populated by a small number of regulars until the phrase "national coverage" pulls in people from everywhere and they would certainly not give this info to members of the public. IP addresses are recorded by sites involved in financial transactions so legitimate authorities like the police can utilise them in fraud cases. there are many laws and regulations appertaining to the storage and utilisation of data including data protection and RIP and the way these rules are applied varies dependant on circumstance, particularly when provisos are placed in the small print including the old chestnut concerning the passing of data to 3rd party companies for marketing purposes which is very often the cause of an inbox full of spam. I would suggest that anyone signing up to any website that has concerns about anonymity either reads the small print very carefully or doesn't join at all. In this instance I would imagine that the echo had taken advice from very well informed solicitors and that Omegaman had in fact signed away any rights he had both through joining the site and his actions on this site.
pete woodley
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9:05am Sat 17 Jan 09
GAHmusic wrote:Informative, and interesting letter,straight to the point.
To Fiona
Two things about IP addresses
1. Most private homes have dynamic IP addresses that change every time your Pc/router is turned on
2. The information that can be obtained from an IP address by the average person or news paper is scant at best even misleading, on some occasions the only accurate way to know who someone is by an IP address is to obtain the records for the exact time and date from the issuing ISP (Internet Service Provider) as to who the address was leased to at that time and I can assure you they would not give this to a local paper on suspicion of a local councillor bigging himself up on a forum that for the most part is populated by a small number of regulars until the phrase "national coverage" pulls in people from everywhere and they would certainly not give this info to members of the public. IP addresses are recorded by sites involved in financial transactions so legitimate authorities like the police can utilise them in fraud cases. there are many laws and regulations appertaining to the storage and utilisation of data including data protection and RIP and the way these rules are applied varies dependant on circumstance, particularly when provisos are placed in the small print including the old chestnut concerning the passing of data to 3rd party companies for marketing purposes which is very often the cause of an inbox full of spam. I would suggest that anyone signing up to any website that has concerns about anonymity either reads the small print very carefully or doesn't join at all. In this instance I would imagine that the echo had taken advice from very well informed solicitors and that Omegaman had in fact signed away any rights he had both through joining the site and his actions on this site.
Laurie Marsh
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1:10pm Sat 17 Jan 09
That has a nice ring!
Are you sure you are not married?
You people are so far "up" yourselves (politically speaking) that you are beyond belief!
The bottom line is that we have some political "hack" trying to self promote himself and you two leap on board!
As you both do at every political opportunity!
Why not let this "deadbeat" sink into political obscurity (as have so many others before him) and get on with your lives!
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Neither of you are going to influence the next change of government so why dont you take some time out and smell the roses?
You are a long time dead!
Tick...Tick...Tick!
pete woodley
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4:26pm Sat 17 Jan 09
Laurie Marsh wrote:YOU do not know whats being going on,and how much distress grower has caused,so many people have told you to get the facts straight before commenting but you ignore all the comments,so nobody accepts anything you say,not everything is online,you know very little.enough said,your not worth any more comment
Fiona and Pete Woodley,
That has a nice ring!
Are you sure you are not married?
You people are so far "up" yourselves (politically speaking) that you are beyond belief!
The bottom line is that we have some political "hack" trying to self promote himself and you two leap on board!
As you both do at every political opportunity!
Why not let this "deadbeat" sink into political obscurity (as have so many others before him) and get on with your lives!
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Neither of you are going to influence the next change of government so why dont you take some time out and smell the roses?
You are a long time dead!
Tick...Tick...Tick!
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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8:46pm Sat 17 Jan 09
potsandkettles wrote:As Ive stated previously
"I personally dont feel this matter does bring the council into disrepute."
Of course it does. By using this deceit, the councillor has betrayed his constituents' trust and fallen foul of the Standards he swore to uphold.
I feel the Daily Echo has presented itself in a bad light
From the tone of the article its been evident that pleasure has been derived from humiliating and devaluating Cllr Grower
Its a form of sadism (and immaturity)...
kind of similar to schoolboys pulling the legs of a spider
Its rather sad that journalists on this local newspaper derive satisfaction from embarrassing individuals-its a form of bullying
pete woodley
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9:42pm Sat 17 Jan 09
Laurie Marsh wrote:Do you think Laurie,if i was married to her i could shut her up,she is so close to grower,they make a good couple.By the way what estate is Brisbane on.
Fiona and Pete Woodley,
That has a nice ring!
Are you sure you are not married?
You people are so far "up" yourselves (politically speaking) that you are beyond belief!
The bottom line is that we have some political "hack" trying to self promote himself and you two leap on board!
As you both do at every political opportunity!
Why not let this "deadbeat" sink into political obscurity (as have so many others before him) and get on with your lives!
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Neither of you are going to influence the next change of government so why dont you take some time out and smell the roses?
You are a long time dead!
Tick...Tick...Tick!
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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10:16pm Sat 17 Jan 09
Mr Woodley could you please desist from insulting myself,and other users on here
Thank-you
son of omegaman
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11:47pm Sat 17 Jan 09
mypetrodent osylips
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10:08am Sun 18 Jan 09
hope this is helpful if it is
Laurie Marsh
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11:28am Sun 18 Jan 09
That was a bit cutting about the "estate" bit!
The difference between me and you is that I dont take myself too seriously!
You have just got out of hospital and I have to tell you that people dont take what us "old f!rts" say too much to heart!
How many of these "deadbeat" politicians have you seen come and go?
How many of them have you promoted because they follow your "party line" thinking?
I know that you and the "blue rinse set" dont see quite eye to eye but who cares?
Have a good life and ENJOY!
pete woodley
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11:51am Sun 18 Jan 09
Laurie Marsh wrote:Only 5 hours Laurie,i dont normally give in so easy.I am not a party line man,i vote for the person,not the party,as a rule,and to be honest i am more blue than red.I have been very active over my 74 years,and still try to be,but not everything comes out in the press,word of ear,lets me find out a lot of whats going on,and in the last hour i have learnt a lot about the drug dealing going on not half a mile away and what police and council were doing about it.Went to a meeting yesterday and got talking to an ex councillor who agreed there are a lot of dubious councillors from all parties,but in 60 years of politics,i haver never known "self praise" from a councillor like now.You must be older than i thought,but cant figure out some of your way of thinking,and you upset a few like me,back later getting tired.
Well done Pete you managed "not to talk to me" for 5 hrs. and 16 minutes!
That was a bit cutting about the "estate" bit!
The difference between me and you is that I dont take myself too seriously!
You have just got out of hospital and I have to tell you that people dont take what us "old f!rts" say too much to heart!
How many of these "deadbeat" politicians have you seen come and go?
How many of them have you promoted because they follow your "party line" thinking?
I know that you and the "blue rinse set" dont see quite eye to eye but who cares?
Have a good life and ENJOY!
Fiona Muscliffe Throop
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12:08pm Sun 18 Jan 09
Laurie Marsh wrote:erm 'blue rinse set' are you refering to me Laurie?
Well done Pete you managed "not to talk to me" for 5 hrs. and 16 minutes! That was a bit cutting about the "estate" bit! The difference between me and you is that I dont take myself too seriously! You have just got out of hospital and I have to tell you that people dont take what us "old f!rts" say too much to heart! How many of these "deadbeat" politicians have you seen come and go? How many of them have you promoted because they follow your "party line" thinking? I know that you and the "blue rinse set" dont see quite eye to eye but who cares? Have a good life and ENJOY!
''The Blue rinse brigade is a somewhat pejorative term used, particularly in the United Kingdom, to describe elderly middle-class ladies usually of a conservative socio-political persuasion''
The term arises from the blue rinse hairdressing applied to disguise the often yellow tones of grey hair
Thats a bit of a preconception Laurie
Sorry to shatter your illusions but I dont look anything like that:)
Laurie Marsh
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12:46pm Sun 18 Jan 09
I was born and brought up in the B'm'th area (5 years in Throop)!
I know what I said!
The literal translation of a statement is not always the "true" meaning of the statement!
If you feel that I meant you in my comment, well that is your privilege, I cant help the way that your mind works!
The point that I was (and am) making is that the people who go into bat for for and against these sort of people are known as "party hacks" and to make excuses for poor behaviour by a "party mate" is second rate to say the least!
In my opinion!
Its called FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
Laurie Marsh
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1:25pm Sun 18 Jan 09
I dont really want to upset anyone!
Most of the rubbish that I write is tongue in cheek!
Some is not.
"you must be older than I thought"?
I have had two heart attacks (you dont get much older than that!).
Life is SO good, I enjoy every breath!
Is this bloke Grower worth wasting any effort over?
GAHmusic
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1:26pm Sun 18 Jan 09
pete woodley
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1:44pm Sun 18 Jan 09
Laurie Marsh wrote:In my case yes,i have had so much backstabbing and lies directed at me why should he get away with it,i have heart trouble as well as cancer,and i will give some of them back the same treatment as i have had to take,right or wrong.GAH,who posted a good comment before, says its getting boring,perhaps so but thats what grower wants,let it lie down and people will forget,NO WAY.I live in his ward and he has been taking us all for a ride.And for his sidekicks to back him and blame the Echo,thats right out of order.It was obvious some of your comments were tongue in cheek,but believe me Laurie,i do know a lot of whats going on.
Pete,
I dont really want to upset anyone!
Most of the rubbish that I write is tongue in cheek!
Some is not.
"you must be older than I thought"?
I have had two heart attacks (you dont get much older than that!).
Life is SO good, I enjoy every breath!
Is this bloke Grower worth wasting any effort over?
pete woodley
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1:51pm Sun 18 Jan 09
Pete,
I dont really want to upset anyone!
Most of the rubbish that I write is tongue in cheek!
Some is not.
In my case yes,i have had so much backstabbing and lies directed at me why should he get away with it,i have heart trouble as well as cancer,and i will give some of them back the same treatment as i have had to take,right or wrong.GAH,who posted a good comment before, says its getting boring,perhaps so but thats what grower wants,let it lie down and people will forget,NO WAY.I live in his ward and he has been taking us all for a ride.And for his sidekicks to back him and blame the Echo,thats right out of order.It was obvious some of your comments were tongue in cheek,but believe me Laurie,i do know a lot of whats going on.
Laurie Marsh
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2:47pm Sun 18 Jan 09
8.45 Sat.
"kind of similar to schoolboys pulling the legs of spiders"
I hope that wasn't meant as a sexist remark?
The roses smell great!
omega 3
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3:57pm Sun 18 Jan 09
omegaman 2
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3:59pm Sun 18 Jan 09
John T
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4:08pm Sun 18 Jan 09
Something tells me this Ben Grower thing's not going to go away...
for some!
John T
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4:11pm Sun 18 Jan 09
frying leper
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4:16pm Sun 18 Jan 09
wheres my stick
I'LL LAY IT ON
peter beneather benefit bleater.
enter what you see
load-crap
david.h
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6:04pm Sun 18 Jan 09
peter paul & mary
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6:10pm Sun 18 Jan 09
Laurie Marsh wrote:On behalf on all spiders that unfair.
Fiona, 8.45 Sat. "kind of similar to schoolboys pulling the legs of spiders" I hope that wasn't meant as a sexist remark? The roses smell great!
Please don't leave us legless!
GAHmusic
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9:23pm Sun 18 Jan 09
peter paul & mary
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8:42am Mon 19 Jan 09
frying leper
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10:22am Mon 19 Jan 09
pleaser dont go under the carpeter xx mad o'rourke
brianr
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11:19am Mon 19 Jan 09
mad O'rourke
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11:43am Mon 19 Jan 09
security word
enter what you see brian-bribaine
frying leper
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11:52am Mon 19 Jan 09
brianr wrote:Pigs might fry ahahahahahahahah gggggggggggggggg splat
Forgot to tell that I am frying leper sometimes known as although I think I will now change it to frying bacon
Victor Meldrew lives !
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5:06pm Mon 19 Jan 09
Come on Pete-Who am I ?
pete woodley
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7:01pm Mon 19 Jan 09
Victor Meldrew lives ! wrote:Will let you know later.Right now am busy writing out my official complaint to the standards committee,as well as sorting out AFCB's team for the next match,finding free accomadation for the new homeless,who picked on Bournemouth,as their favourite resting place,plus trying to raise some money to give to our poor beggars.i also have to get in touch with builders and developers re future property building on Branksome Rec and Slades Farm.As to a guess,it cant be Adrian Fudge,because he has the guts to give his name.
I've come back as someone else :-)
Come on Pete-Who am I ?
pete woodley
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7:01pm Mon 19 Jan 09
Victor Meldrew lives ! wrote:Will let you know later.Right now am busy writing out my official complaint to the standards committee,as well as sorting out AFCB's team for the next match,finding free accomadation for the new homeless,who picked on Bournemouth,as their favourite resting place,plus trying to raise some money to give to our poor beggars.i also have to get in touch with builders and developers re future property building on Branksome Rec and Slades Farm.As to a guess,it cant be Adrian Fudge,because he has the guts to give his name.
I've come back as someone else :-)
Come on Pete-Who am I ?
Victor Meldrew lives !
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7:31pm Mon 19 Jan 09
pete woodley wrote:I don't believe it !!
Victor Meldrew lives ! wrote: I've come back as someone else :-) Come on Pete-Who am I ?Will let you know later.Right now am busy writing out my official complaint to the standards committee,as well as sorting out AFCB's team for the next match,finding free accomadation for the new homeless,who picked on Bournemouth,as their favourite resting place,plus trying to raise some money to give to our poor beggars.i also have to get in touch with builders and developers re future property building on Branksome Rec and Slades Farm.As to a guess,it cant be Adrian Fudge,because he has the guts to give his name.
opium
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10:13pm Wed 21 Jan 09
pete woodley
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2:10pm Thu 22 Jan 09
opium wrote:At 74,and with my health,what to you think i can do,i am over qualified for AFCB,due to experience,and having two legs,local political parties wont want me,in case i find out too much,I am in the wifes way,This reminds me of my old CO,telling me that we have had WW1 and WW2 and if he sent me to Cyprus we would have WW3.Not very nice was it.
I do - Pete is capable of anything - he has nothing else to do. The real culprits here are the two hacks at the Echo who breached the Data Protection Act.
Azrael
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2:16pm Thu 31 Dec 09
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