Website praise for Bournemouth councillor comes from... councillor! (From Bournemouth Echo)

john_the_voice_has moved wrote:
Dam Hope they dont find out who I am

overthehills wrote:
Most people posting on forums are on their home computers and therefore not anonymous to the forum's owner. Anyone who thinks they are is fooling themselves only! This made me laugh. BTW, I didn't realise Nazi Germany had the internet - more advanced than I thought. May I just say that overthehills is a wonderful person and deserves as much self-praise as he/she can manage ;)

Megaman wrote:
Well done to the Echo's staff for calling this guy out. A councillor using sock puppets to praise himself is very weak. It reveals a lot about his character (or lack of) and demonstrates massive insecurity. Voters have a right to know about deceitful activities committed by those they have given power to. Thanks.

Woodlanda wrote:
S'pose it explains why he hasn't got the time to spend in his ward, unlike the other two Labour representatives.

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:
Stephen Bailey what a nasty piece of cheap shot journalism

Why are the Daily Echo allowing this form of humiliation of a public figure?

I think its become obvious to many of us that this paper has a deep antipathy towards local councillors

Cllr Grower has a wife and children how does the reporter even know for 'definite' it wasnt another member of Cllr Growers family posting on this site?

It seems the Daily Echo thinks that local politicians deserve to be abused- so what if he bigs up his colleagues or even himself Bournemouth Hospital allows their staff to nominate themselves for awards whats wrong with praising yourself (or more likely defending yourself) on here against abusive/critical comments from members of the public

Get over it Daily Echo

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:
Stephen Bailey what a nasty piece of cheap shot journalism Why are the Daily Echo allowing this form of humiliation of a public figure? I think its become obvious to many of us that this paper has a deep antipathy towards local councillors Cllr Grower has a wife and children how does the reporter even know for 'definite' it wasnt another member of Cllr Growers family posting on this site? It seems the Daily Echo thinks that local politicians deserve to be abused- so what if he bigs up his colleagues or even himself Bournemouth Hospital allows their staff to nominate themselves for awards whats wrong with praising yourself (or more likely defending yourself) on here against abusive/critical comments from members of the public Get over it Daily Echo

son of omegaman wrote:
I am reading it all - keep it up it is really great to read all the comment. My dad would be proud!

pete woodley wrote:

son of omegaman wrote: I am reading it all - keep it up it is really great to read all the comment. My dad would be proud!

Are you sure he's your dad,it could be another lie.

pete woodley wrote:

son of omegaman wrote:

pete woodley wrote:

son of omegaman wrote: I am reading it all - keep it up it is really great to read all the comment. My dad would be proud!

Are you sure he's your dad,it could be another lie.

Are you sure you are your father's son

Yes you could be a grower,same idiotic responses and stupidity,grow up sonny.i am sure about my father,you obviously are not.Think of something original,or stick to your comics.

pete woodley wrote:
At last grower has been exposed,how stupid and despicable can a councillor get,and even tried to deny it to the Echo,as many know i pointed this out ages ago,and had nasty comments from grower which i reported to the standards committee,but the "old pals act" came in and nothing got done.Well done Nick Rowe for showing up this very dubious individual,who is a disgrace to the council.He should be suspended,but "all pals together" will reign.

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:
To be honest I think the Daily Echo should be ashamed of itself because this story is ridiculous I actually laughed out loud when I read the article (while I was in the queue at Tesco's) I laughed out loud...then I felt very sad at how petty our local paper is

oneshortleg wrote:
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

noel1 wrote:

oneshortleg wrote: Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

No, I believe there is a public interest clause in the Data Protection Act. And even if there isn't and Mr Grower took it to court the judge would probably point out that the law was there to protect our legitimate data not assist in an attempt to mis-lead people. As others have said self praise is no praise at all. You should be ashamed of your self Mr Grower, my father was a fellow councilor with you and would never had done such a low and despicable thing as this. No wonder many honest, hard working councilors get are held in unjustifiably low public esteem when the self-publicists like you do things like this.

oneshortleg wrote:
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

Megaman wrote:

oneshortleg wrote: Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

I'm sorry but the councillor has no recourse to legal action. The newspaper would not have taken the decision to publish this lightly and would have considered any possible legal ramifications. By registering his "Omegaman" account Cllr Grower agreed to the site's terms and conditions which state: 20. If we find your use of this site seriously inappropriate, offensive or disruptive, we may use information we have about you to stop such conduct, and this may include informing relevant third parties such as your employer, school, email provider or, in the case of any suspected unlawful activity, the police.

oneshortleg wrote:
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

John T wrote:

pete woodley wrote:
At last grower has been exposed,how stupid and despicable can a councillor get,and even tried to deny it to the Echo,as many know i pointed this out ages ago,and had nasty comments from grower which i reported to the standards committee,but the "old pals act" came in and nothing got done.Well done Nick Rowe for showing up this very dubious individual,who is a disgrace to the council.He should be suspended,but "all pals together" will reign.

As I recall, you reported Cllr Grower to the Standards Committee for making it public knowledge that you did not bother to vote at the last local elections as revealed by the Council's marked register. You probably thought this information was confidential, just as many of us did when we reveal our private information to register on this website. No doubt, you would vote, if you could be bothered to, against the Echo disclosing the confidential information it holds on contributors to this website. I am sure Nick Rowe has things he could let us know about you, if we were in the least bit interested.

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:

oneshortleg wrote: Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

I agree with oneshortleg Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article They have been quite underhanded Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper

DailyView wrote:
Why is Fiona acting as she is against the Daily Echo. Surely it is the duty of a local paper to let the general public know that we have a Councillor who is using a public system to hype up himself, using other user names from his own.

Perhaps you being a perspective or possible Cllr in time to come, you find this a good PR route.

In my opinion it is exactly the same as giving false information on an application form and a CV. Either way you are given a false representation of yourself. For your gain.

The_Flying_Trouser wrote:
Dear Daily Echo, Please, please, please don't reveal my true identity. It would damage the world at large if the myth and magic surrounding the analytical super hero "The Flying Trouser" were to be vanquished. Much love, as ever, Barack. x

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:

oneshortleg wrote:
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

I agree with oneshortleg

Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission

Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article
They have been quite underhanded

Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians

If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper

PoisonedPen wrote:

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:

oneshortleg wrote:
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

I agree with oneshortleg

Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission

Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article
They have been quite underhanded

Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians

If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper

Absolutely.

I don't recall the Privacy Policy of this site saying 'We reserve the right to publish your identity to the world' when I signed up.

The Daily Echo's actions in violating the trust of their users are far more significant than Cllr Grower posting about himself in the third person.

None of you commenting here can now trust what this company will do with your personal information.

Linguist wrote:

The_Flying_Trouser wrote: Dear Daily Echo, Please, please, please don't reveal my true identity. It would damage the world at large if the myth and magic surrounding the analytical super hero "The Flying Trouser" were to be vanquished. Much love, as ever, Barack. x

Just a guess but.... you wouldn't be the 'leader of the council' would you, flying trouserman?

John T wrote:
Blimey,pete woodley sticking up for the Echo.Whatever next,Pete?..you'll be rejoining the Liberal Party!

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:

PoisonedPen wrote:

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:

oneshortleg wrote:
Yes this councillor has acted badly, however the Daily Echo has acted illegally by revealing his true identity. This is a Blatant act against the Data Protection Act and no doubt Mr Growers Human Rights I hope he is taking the appropriate legal action. Please not I am not a councillor nor a friend or family member of MrGrower, just your average bloke looking at the bigger picture!

I agree with oneshortleg

Take legal action AND go to the Press Complaints Commission

Daily Echo have stooped pretty low with this article
They have been quite underhanded

Like I said before they tend to have a strong dislike of local politicians

If legal action is taken maybe they will think twice before attempting to humiliate people in their paper

Absolutely.

I don't recall the Privacy Policy of this site saying 'We reserve the right to publish your identity to the world' when I signed up.

The Daily Echo's actions in violating the trust of their users are far more significant than Cllr Grower posting about himself in the third person.

None of you commenting here can now trust what this company will do with your personal information.

The paper is finding this very amusing
its pleased with itself that this story has gone worldwide

I hope Cllr Grower doesnt take this to heart

30 odd years seving the public means absolutely nothing to the Echo as long as Nick and Stephen can get a cheap laugh and a bit of recognition thats all that matters...

potsandkettles wrote:
What Ms Throop fails to address is the fact that this man has abused his position for his own gain and brought the council into direpute. You have to ask yourself: if he can be deceitful about this, what else can he be deceitful about? It might seem trivial to some, but he's done himself damage. Of course, he's not the only one at it - the leader of another southern council beginning with F and ending with m does it all the time, both on local news websites and local forums. Tragic indeed.

Geoff-Kinson wrote:
Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?

John T wrote:
silky What is the point of being guarded on this website if the Echo feel at liberty to publicise your personal details to the World?! And before the Echo publicise who I am,I will let everyone know that I do not condone Cllr Grower's behaviour and nor am I one of the few remaining supporters of his Party in this area. (Sorry if part of this posting sounds as egotistical as Cllr Grower).

silky wrote:

Geoff-Kinson wrote: Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?

I agree that we have the right to remain anonymous unless lawbreaking is involved, Geoff. Then it should be passed to the relevant authorities, not splashed across the front page! With regard to being approached last summer, I seem to remember that you have given more information on yourself than I would have felt happy to give myself. It's amazing how one or two small pieces of info can be pieced together by those who are regular readers on here. I recommend everyone if very guarded when posting info on here. I treat this place the same as exchanging opinions to a stranger on the street.

John T wrote:
silky
Thanks, and I do appreciate and wholeheartedly agree with your words of warning to one and all.

Fiona Muscliffe Throop wrote:

John T wrote:
silky
Thanks, and I do appreciate and wholeheartedly agree with your words of warning to one and all.

Its now up to the electorate in Kinson to decide Cllr Growers fate at the next local elections


I think also that this serves as a warning to all Cllr's not to treat these type of sites lightly in the future

Its not a good idea to allow others- ie friends or family to post on their pc's because the website host has details of all their ip numbers and could jump to conclusions....

John T wrote:
If you were not 'known for your straight talking and honesty'(not to mention humility),pete,it would be a fitting conclusion to this saga if you were to register as Omegaman 2 and have the final word...Until then, the fuss is all Greek to me!

pete woodley wrote:

John T wrote: If you were not 'known for your straight talking and honesty'(not to mention humility),pete,it would be a fitting conclusion to this saga if you were to register as Omegaman 2 and have the final word...Until then, the fuss is all Greek to me!

Come on John,are you being racial whats it got to do with the Greeks,grower is not a greek.there is another suitable word like it.

Geoff-Kinson wrote:

silky wrote:

Geoff-Kinson wrote: Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?

I agree that we have the right to remain anonymous unless lawbreaking is involved, Geoff. Then it should be passed to the relevant authorities, not splashed across the front page! With regard to being approached last summer, I seem to remember that you have given more information on yourself than I would have felt happy to give myself. It's amazing how one or two small pieces of info can be pieced together by those who are regular readers on here. I recommend everyone if very guarded when posting info on here. I treat this place the same as exchanging opinions to a stranger on the street.

I take your point silky. Perhaps best not to take any further part if this happens !

Geoff-Kinson wrote:

silky wrote:

Geoff-Kinson wrote: Whilst I cannot defend Cllr Grower praising himself in this way, surely we all have the right to remain anonymous when posting? I was approached by a regular poster on site at an event I was attending last summer who knew who I was. How was this information obtained ?

I agree that we have the right to remain anonymous unless lawbreaking is involved, Geoff. Then it should be passed to the relevant authorities, not splashed across the front page! With regard to being approached last summer, I seem to remember that you have given more information on yourself than I would have felt happy to give myself. It's amazing how one or two small pieces of info can be pieced together by those who are regular readers on here. I recommend everyone if very guarded when posting info on here. I treat this place the same as exchanging opinions to a stranger on the street.

I take your point silky.
Perhaps best not to take any further part if this happens !

John T wrote:
If you were not 'known for your straight talking and honesty'(not to mention humility),pete,it would be a fitting conclusion to this saga if you were to register as Omegaman 2 and have the final word...Until then, the fuss is all Greek to me!

son of omegaman wrote:
My dad's over the moon - 100 hits - he expects a telegram from the queen tomorrow!

pete woodley wrote:

son of omegaman wrote: My dad's over the moon - 100 hits - he expects a telegram from the queen tomorrow!

Would that be one of the Triangle Queens,or Her Majesty.

GAHmusic wrote:
To Fiona
Two things about IP addresses
1. Most private homes have dynamic IP addresses that change every time your Pc/router is turned on
2. The information that can be obtained from an IP address by the average person or news paper is scant at best even misleading, on some occasions the only accurate way to know who someone is by an IP address is to obtain the records for the exact time and date from the issuing ISP (Internet Service Provider) as to who the address was leased to at that time and I can assure you they would not give this to a local paper on suspicion of a local councillor bigging himself up on a forum that for the most part is populated by a small number of regulars until the phrase "national coverage" pulls in people from everywhere and they would certainly not give this info to members of the public. IP addresses are recorded by sites involved in financial transactions so legitimate authorities like the police can utilise them in fraud cases. there are many laws and regulations appertaining to the storage and utilisation of data including data protection and RIP and the way these rules are applied varies dependant on circumstance, particularly when provisos are placed in the small print including the old chestnut concerning the passing of data to 3rd party companies for marketing purposes which is very often the cause of an inbox full of spam. I would suggest that anyone signing up to any website that has concerns about anonymity either reads the small print very carefully or doesn't join at all. In this instance I would imagine that the echo had taken advice from very well informed solicitors and that Omegaman had in fact signed away any rights he had both through joining the site and his actions on this site.

Laurie Marsh wrote:
Fiona and Pete Woodley,
That has a nice ring!
Are you sure you are not married?
You people are so far "up" yourselves (politically speaking) that you are beyond belief!
The bottom line is that we have some political "hack" trying to self promote himself and you two leap on board!
As you both do at every political opportunity!
Why not let this "deadbeat" sink into political obscurity (as have so many others before him) and get on with your lives!
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Neither of you are going to influence the next change of government so why dont you take some time out and smell the roses?
You are a long time dead!
Tick...Tick...Tick!

potsandkettles wrote:
"I personally dont feel this matter does bring the council into disrepute."

Of course it does. By using this deceit, the councillor has betrayed his constituents' trust and fallen foul of the Standards he swore to uphold.

Laurie Marsh wrote:
Fiona and Pete Woodley,
That has a nice ring!
Are you sure you are not married?
You people are so far "up" yourselves (politically speaking) that you are beyond belief!
The bottom line is that we have some political "hack" trying to self promote himself and you two leap on board!
As you both do at every political opportunity!
Why not let this "deadbeat" sink into political obscurity (as have so many others before him) and get on with your lives!
What exactly are you trying to achieve?
Neither of you are going to influence the next change of government so why dont you take some time out and smell the roses?
You are a long time dead!
Tick...Tick...Tick!

Laurie Marsh wrote:
Well done Pete you managed "not to talk to me" for 5 hrs. and 16 minutes!
That was a bit cutting about the "estate" bit!
The difference between me and you is that I dont take myself too seriously!
You have just got out of hospital and I have to tell you that people dont take what us "old f!rts" say too much to heart!
How many of these "deadbeat" politicians have you seen come and go?
How many of them have you promoted because they follow your "party line" thinking?
I know that you and the "blue rinse set" dont see quite eye to eye but who cares?
Have a good life and ENJOY!

Laurie Marsh wrote:
Well done Pete you managed "not to talk to me" for 5 hrs. and 16 minutes! That was a bit cutting about the "estate" bit! The difference between me and you is that I dont take myself too seriously! You have just got out of hospital and I have to tell you that people dont take what us "old f!rts" say too much to heart! How many of these "deadbeat" politicians have you seen come and go? How many of them have you promoted because they follow your "party line" thinking? I know that you and the "blue rinse set" dont see quite eye to eye but who cares? Have a good life and ENJOY!

Laurie Marsh wrote:
Pete,
I dont really want to upset anyone!
Most of the rubbish that I write is tongue in cheek!
Some is not.
"you must be older than I thought"?
I have had two heart attacks (you dont get much older than that!).
Life is SO good, I enjoy every breath!
Is this bloke Grower worth wasting any effort over?

Laurie Marsh wrote:
Fiona, 8.45 Sat. "kind of similar to schoolboys pulling the legs of spiders" I hope that wasn't meant as a sexist remark? The roses smell great!

brianr wrote:
Forgot to tell that I am frying leper sometimes known as although I think I will now change it to frying bacon

Victor Meldrew lives ! wrote:
I've come back as someone else :-)
Come on Pete-Who am I ?

Victor Meldrew lives ! wrote:
I've come back as someone else :-)
Come on Pete-Who am I ?

pete woodley wrote:

Victor Meldrew lives ! wrote: I've come back as someone else :-) Come on Pete-Who am I ?

Will let you know later.Right now am busy writing out my official complaint to the standards committee,as well as sorting out AFCB's team for the next match,finding free accomadation for the new homeless,who picked on Bournemouth,as their favourite resting place,plus trying to raise some money to give to our poor beggars.i also have to get in touch with builders and developers re future property building on Branksome Rec and Slades Farm.As to a guess,it cant be Adrian Fudge,because he has the guts to give his name.

opium wrote:
I do - Pete is capable of anything - he has nothing else to do. The real culprits here are the two hacks at the Echo who breached the Data Protection Act.