Readers commenting on the Echo's website said voters felt "disillusioned" and "disenchanted".

This is because of the national media's smear, slander, and character defamation of Gordon Brown and Labour that was switched from Tony Blair to Gordon shortly after he became Prime Minister. It was not done immediately in case people noticed and became suspicious of the election rigging capability of the national media.

Judged by his actions, Gordon is one of the very best politicians Britain has ever had. But judged by the presentation of him by media people, he is a foul monster with no redeeming feature at all.

Will he be judged him by his actions, or the media people’s presentation of him. I think I know. Do you?

Here are some facts.

New Labour Achievements

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
2. Very low mortgage rates compared to the Thatcher era
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35


4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeric in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
9. Employment is at its highest level ever
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
11. 85,000 more nurses
12. 32,000 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
19. Restored city-wide government to London
20. Record number of students in higher education
21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
35. Banned fox hunting
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
37. Free TV licences for over-75s
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
39. Waiting times for operations halved
40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
43. Free eye test for over 60s
44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales.

Any additions to this list is most welcome.

continued ..

50. More pensioners in poverty than ever before

51. Highest fuel prices ever due to sky high oil tax

52. Labour popularity lowest for 40 years - loss of 291 labour councillors on 1st May 08

53. Council tax bills doubled since Labour been in power

54. Energy bill increases mean fuel poverty for 4.4 million. Gas bills up 108.6%. Electricity bills up 69.6%

55. Taxes up £110 per family per year - over 111 tax rises since 1997

56. Large families taxed on their large cars with £900 pa car tax

57. Average earnings down £215 over last 2 years alone

Any additions to this list is most welcome

You make some really good points HAL101.
The media can easily destroy the credibility of even the best of politicians from all parties. I am still amazed at the low turnouts though. I suppose some will say that they are not affected by politics !
I wonder what world they live in ?
Perhaps voting should be compulsary >

"Gordon, one of the best politicians Britain has ever had."
Which part of cloud cuckoo land has HAL101 been living in? He's certainly not been living in England! Brown will go down in history as the most incompetant chancellor we've ever had. Luckily He is unlikely to last ten months as PM.

Hear hear Rose. I think the points you raise far outweigh those of HAL101. That is why so many people want to leave Britain?

Good to see all the blue rinse brigade coming out !
I think they had the most incompetant Chancellor !
By the way Rose, what about the pensioners fuel allowance ?
Who brought that in ?
The BIG trouble with this country is that most people are selfish and only think of themselves !
Large families taxed on their cars, Rose !
I take it you have a 4x4 ?

Oh yeah ! right buster, let battle commence! :)

50. More pensioners in poverty than ever before - Rubbish ! thanks to the pension credit no pensioner is now in poverty. Pension credit, Rose, pension credits!

51. Highest fuel prices ever due to sky high oil tax - the tax is the same rate , it is the cost of oil that has increased the fuel prices, really Rose, do try to understand.

52. Labour popularity lowest for 40 years - loss of 291 labour councillors on 1st May 08 - thanks to the smear, slander and character defamation of Gordon and Labour by certain media people (nasty Nick)

53. Council tax bills doubled since Labour been in power - good point , which you lost among the other rubbish ones. However, the reason for this was to make councils accountable to the voter, who should vote in councillors that will end the gravy train. That has not happen this time has it? But perhaps next time.

54. Energy bill increases mean fuel poverty for 4.4 million. Gas bills up 108.6%. Electricity bills up 69.6% - again the tax is the same rate, it is the cost of oil and gas that has increased the fuel prices, really Rose, do try to understand !

55. Taxes up £110 per family per year - over 111 tax rises since 1997. My taxes have only gone up with the cost of the items. What are these tax rises that you so carelessly and wildly claim?

56. Large families taxed on their large cars with £900 pa car tax - GOOD! Great , get these gas guzzling 4x4s taxed off the road. Good old Gordon.

57. Average earnings down £215 over last 2 years alone - average earnings? Most people get pay raises every year so this claim is not very believable.

Are these the best criticisms that you have?. Surely you can find some real faults. No one is perfect. Least of all Gordon.

I await in interested anticipation.

:)

HAL101, Bournemouth on 8:11pm today

The above reply was meant for Rose.

Rose. What about:-
58. Stealing our pensions by taxation.

59. Selling off our gold reeserves when the market was at it's lowest.

Benjamin wrote:
Rose. What about:- 58. Stealing our pensions by taxation. 59. Selling off our gold reeserves when the market was at it's lowest.

58 Pension credit Benjamin, pension credits!!

59 At a high price, and then buying other back at a lower price. Clever, veeeery clever, do not you think?

I take it you live on benefits, Geoff.

Benjamin wrote:
I take it you live on benefits, Geoff.

What exactly are you getting at ? Please explain this comment !
I have NEVER claimed a benefit in my life !

Not the best PM - that was Tony Blair. I am a pensioner and I have nothing at all to complain about.Free bus travel, extra tax allowances, good education for my grandson, great free medical care and the knowledge that I am helping those less well off than myself.
Its great to live in Britain and all those moaners and groaners should go off to where ever they want. They will not be missed.

Would the 104 people who wasted their vote in Winton East by voting for the local fascist party be kind enough to leave Bourbnemouth ASAP.

omegaman wrote:
Would the 104 people who wasted their vote in Winton East by voting for the local fascist party be kind enough to leave Bourbnemouth ASAP.

I second that !

HAL101, Bournemouth
Any additions to this list is most welcome

.

1. War over weapons of mass destruction weapons in Iraq. (Not found as yet).
2. New war in Afghanistan after :
First Afghan War 1842
Second Afghan War 1879
Russian Invasion in 1979.
Modern invasion 2001
(So far not one of the above wars have pacified the Afghan people.)
3. 3 Trillion dollar wars costing us all our monetary reserves.
4. Tax Credits costing more in to fund than they actually pay out. ( Why not just cut taxes to the poor)
5. Increase in Taxes to the poor. (Cut of 10% tax rate)

Lies and deceit. The requirements of the true politician.

Geoff wrote:

omegaman wrote:
Would the 104 people who wasted their vote in Winton East by voting for the local fascist party be kind enough to leave Bourbnemouth ASAP.

I second that !

We know omegaman has no brain and is rude,abusive,etc,etc now we know you are no better,why dont you both leave for RUSSIA,this country is getting full of idiots like you two.

Nick, Bournemouth on 9:58pm today

Thank you for those invaluable additions to my list of reasons to vote for Labour. The last is really a good one. At last Labour is taking from the very poor worthless types and giving to the rich worthies. What do we need with a Tory party now - HA!
:)

I'm off to bed now.

Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

Nick wrote:

HAL101, Bournemouth Any additions to this list is most welcome

. 1. War over weapons of mass destruction weapons in Iraq. (Not found as yet). 2. New war in Afghanistan after : First Afghan War 1842 Second Afghan War 1879 Russian Invasion in 1979. Modern invasion 2001 (So far not one of the above wars have pacified the Afghan people.) 3. 3 Trillion dollar wars costing us all our monetary reserves. 4. Tax Credits costing more in to fund than they actually pay out. ( Why not just cut taxes to the poor) 5. Increase in Taxes to the poor. (Cut of 10% tax rate) Lies and deceit. The requirements of the true politician.

So what will the Tories do - bring back Section 28!

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Geoff wrote:

omegaman wrote: Would the 104 people who wasted their vote in Winton East by voting for the local fascist party be kind enough to leave Bourbnemouth ASAP.

I second that !

We know omegaman has no brain and is rude,abusive,etc,etc now we know you are no better,why dont you both leave for RUSSIA,this country is getting full of idiots like you two.

So do we assume you support them - sounds like it.I take back my comment - make it 105.

1.4 million immigrants moved to the UK since 2004. 380,000 Uk citizens now LEAVING the UK every year for a better life abroad! (who can blame them)?

Labour's fuel tax policy means the highest fuel tax in Europe and is crippling our haulage industry. Their high percentage of tax on the cost of oil means we all pay more at the pump and on our fuel bills

100,000 more pensioners now officially live in poverty according to statistics (since Labour came to power) and in spite of pension credits

Stats show that Uk workers will take home an extra £31pm in the public sector, in 2008 yet the average family faces increases of £148 pm meaning households will be £21 billion worse off this year.

Under Labour, police, nurses, civil servants and teachers receive an average pay rise of 2.2% which is 55% less than the UK average wage rise. This is far less than the average 18% rise in utility bills predicted this year. 9 million in the UK wont receive a pay rise this year.

Half million children attending failing secondary schools. GCSE league tables show 639 out of 3000 schools dont meet Govnt's targets.

HAL101 your loyalty to the Labour party is commendable but yesterday's results speak volumes. My money's on a leadership challenge by the end of this year. David Cameron should be ordering his change of address cards as I type.....

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

Another silly comment by Pete. Anyone who sticks up for the fascists is no better than them and that therefore includes our friend Pete. Members of my family fought hard in WW2 and risked their lives to keep the fascists out of Britain. Now we see that there are idiots here who want to encourage them. Shame on you.

Rose wrote:
1.4 million immigrants moved to the UK since 2004. 380,000 Uk citizens now LEAVING the UK every year for a better life abroad! (who can blame them)? Labour's fuel tax policy means the highest fuel tax in Europe and is crippling our haulage industry. Their high percentage of tax on the cost of oil means we all pay more at the pump and on our fuel bills 100,000 more pensioners now officially live in poverty according to statistics (since Labour came to power) and in spite of pension credits Stats show that Uk workers will take home an extra £31pm in the public sector, in 2008 yet the average family faces increases of £148 pm meaning households will be £21 billion worse off this year. Under Labour, police, nurses, civil servants and teachers receive an average pay rise of 2.2% which is 55% less than the UK average wage rise. This is far less than the average 18% rise in utility bills predicted this year. 9 million in the UK wont receive a pay rise this year. Half million children attending failing secondary schools. GCSE league tables show 639 out of 3000 schools dont meet Govnt's targets. HAL101 your loyalty to the Labour party is commendable but yesterday's results speak volumes. My money's on a leadership challenge by the end of this year. David Cameron should be ordering his change of address cards as I type.....

Rose - you really should stop reading the Daily Mail and the Sun and start thinking for yourself.Your facts are just incorrect but you probably know that yourself.I've never had it so good. it was when that evil Thatcher was in power that many of us really suffered. We never want to see those days again.

omegaman wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

Another silly comment by Pete. Anyone who sticks up for the fascists is no better than them and that therefore includes our friend Pete. Members of my family fought hard in WW2 and risked their lives to keep the fascists out of Britain. Now we see that there are idiots here who want to encourage them. Shame on you.

MY father fought in ww1,and most of my family served as regulars,as i did twice,what side werte you on ?.BLOODY COMMIE.

Omegaman, despite your insults I still know many elderly people locally who are really struggling financially under this Government. What is it that you see in this government that the majority of the voting public in UK aren't seeing? Look at the polls. How many Labour councils are there compared to Tory? How have all those who voted this way got it so wrong if you are right and they are wrong? You're entitled to your opinion.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

omegaman wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote: Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

Another silly comment by Pete. Anyone who sticks up for the fascists is no better than them and that therefore includes our friend Pete. Members of my family fought hard in WW2 and risked their lives to keep the fascists out of Britain. Now we see that there are idiots here who want to encourage them. Shame on you.

MY father fought in ww1,and most of my family served as regulars,as i did twice,what side werte you on ?.BLOODY COMMIE.

Come on Pete calm down or you will have a heart attack.I don't think you even know waht a coomie is - you probably think it is a waiter or a chef.If you support the fascists just own up and say so.It appears that you do and you want to stand up for them.You haven't denied it.What on earth would your family think of you if they knew.

Rose wrote:
Omegaman, despite your insults I still know many elderly people locally who are really struggling financially under this Government. What is it that you see in this government that the majority of the voting public in UK aren't seeing? Look at the polls. How many Labour councils are there compared to Tory? How have all those who voted this way got it so wrong if you are right and they are wrong? You're entitled to your opinion.

Rose if you don't like this country why do you stay.Do you not think people suffered under the Tories. They lost their jobs, their homes and their self respect.All for what -to line their friends pockets in the city.

Read BNP the best Option? in the forum.
Fascists? No thanks
Communist? No thanks.
Politicians? No thanks

Make it like a jury duty. 3 years and NO MORE..

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

I resent your remarks ! How dare you suggest that I do not believe in democracy ! I deplore both extremists on the left and right.
You are a sad old Tory Pete !

Geoff wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

I resent your remarks ! How dare you suggest that I do not believe in democracy ! I deplore both extremists on the left and right.
You are a sad old Tory Pete !

Didnt you agree with omegaman that those who democratically voted for the BNP should leave the country,of course you did,so how do YOU believe in democracy.You cant even remember what you have said,how pathetic to follow omegamans rants,from the far left.

This part of Dorset must be unusual, because we have a Labour MP and in our ward 2 liberal councillors, having just lost a very effective vocal Tory champion.
the trouble with local politics it is becoming increasingly grubby and quarrelsome. Some councillors are very effective and others just do not have what it takes. The Tories in the Purbecks are losing their strength and teeth, and unless more like minded people come forward to support, and help deliver leaflets etc, we will all lose out.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Geoff wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote: Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

I resent your remarks ! How dare you suggest that I do not believe in democracy ! I deplore both extremists on the left and right. You are a sad old Tory Pete !

Didnt you agree with omegaman that those who democratically voted for the BNP should leave the country,of course you did,so how do YOU believe in democracy.You cant even remember what you have said,how pathetic to follow omegamans rants,from the far left.

How can you call the BNP democratic ?
I abhore all they stand for !
I am now hearing your rants from the far right !
You seem to think that all non Tory voters are Communists don't you ?

Just another point Pete. Both BNP and Communists are able to stand in elections and are therefore in your eyes democratic I assume ?

We have a really simple system in Britain - of the people who choose to vote, the candidate with the most votes wins. Therefore, at the moment, I'm afraid that HAL's choice is not the most popular overall (unless all the people who didn't bother voting are all really Gordon Brown fans). It's just the way democracy works and guards against the party in power getting lazy, arrogant or inefficient as well as being a moderation method which prevents the introduction of any extreme policies. Fortunately, in this country, all we have to do is wait until the next election and convince enough people to vote the way we like .... couldn't be easier!

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Geoff wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

I resent your remarks ! How dare you suggest that I do not believe in democracy ! I deplore both extremists on the left and right.
You are a sad old Tory Pete !

Didnt you agree with omegaman that those who democratically voted for the BNP should leave the country,of course you did,so how do YOU believe in democracy.You cant even remember what you have said,how pathetic to follow omegamans rants,from the far left.

You still have not answered my question.Of course i dont think all non tories are commies,just mouth-pieces like you who condemn any one with right wing views,ARE you saying i must not vote,as i want,or back who i want,as i say Mugabe and you would get on well.

UNBELIEVABLE! YOU HAVE A FREE ELECTION WHICH IS IGNORED BY HALF OF THE POPULATION AND THEN EVERYONE JUMPS UP AND DOWN AND ABUSES ANYONE WITH A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION!
I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT IF YOU STICK A BLUE ROSETTE ON A SACK OF SPUDS IT WILL GET ELECTED IN B'MTH!
THIS WAS 40 YEARS AGO, IT APPEARS THAT NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED!
ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS THAT THE "SACK OF SPUDS" HAS GROWN A BIG MOUTH!
WITH SOME IRISH RELATIVES I MUST CONFESS THAT I ALWAYS VOTED FOR THE TATIES!

I LIVED IN B'MTH FOR A LOT OF YEARS BUT HAVING READ THE LETTERS ON THIS ELECTION I FIND THAT I DID NOT REALISE HOW MANY FASCISTS AND COMMUNISTS WERE BREEDING AWAY IN MY TOWN WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING ABOUT IT!

laurie marsh wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE! YOU HAVE A FREE ELECTION WHICH IS IGNORED BY HALF OF THE POPULATION AND THEN EVERYONE JUMPS UP AND DOWN AND ABUSES ANYONE WITH A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION!
I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT IF YOU STICK A BLUE ROSETTE ON A SACK OF SPUDS IT WILL GET ELECTED IN B'MTH!
THIS WAS 40 YEARS AGO, IT APPEARS THAT NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED!
ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS THAT THE "SACK OF SPUDS" HAS GROWN A BIG MOUTH!
WITH SOME IRISH RELATIVES I MUST CONFESS THAT I ALWAYS VOTED FOR THE TATIES!

Laurie,i was a tory,but got disalusioned with the greed and conniving,what gets me,is "people" like omegaman and geoff who say that anyone who votes or supports the BNP,should leave the country, thats going over the top,and acting like Mugabe.We are all entitled to vote and support who we want and NOT be bullied.

Sorry laurie but I am NOT a Communist !

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Geoff wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote: Omegaman and geoff do not believe in democracy,we ALL have the right to vote for who we like,they would have it otherwise,Mugabe style.What a couple of nasty dictators they are.Shades of the K.G.B.

I resent your remarks ! How dare you suggest that I do not believe in democracy ! I deplore both extremists on the left and right. You are a sad old Tory Pete !

Didnt you agree with omegaman that those who democratically voted for the BNP should leave the country,of course you did,so how do YOU believe in democracy.You cant even remember what you have said,how pathetic to follow omegamans rants,from the far left.

You still have not answered my question.Of course i dont think all non tories are commies,just mouth-pieces like you who condemn any one with right wing views,ARE you saying i must not vote,as i want,or back who i want,as i say Mugabe and you would get on well.

Just a final contribution on my part Pete.I deplore what Mugabe has done to his country as I did Ian Smith before him. I deplore ALL extremists whether Communist or BNP !

laurie marsh wrote:
UNBELIEVABLE! YOU HAVE A FREE ELECTION WHICH IS IGNORED BY HALF OF THE POPULATION AND THEN EVERYONE JUMPS UP AND DOWN AND ABUSES ANYONE WITH A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION!
I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT IF YOU STICK A BLUE ROSETTE ON A SACK OF SPUDS IT WILL GET ELECTED IN B'MTH!
THIS WAS 40 YEARS AGO, IT APPEARS THAT NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED!
ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS THAT THE "SACK OF SPUDS" HAS GROWN A BIG MOUTH!
WITH SOME IRISH RELATIVES I MUST CONFESS THAT I ALWAYS VOTED FOR THE TATIES!

Laurie,i was a tory,but got disalusioned with the greed and conniving,what gets me,is "people" like omegaman and geoff who say that anyone who votes or supports the BNP,should leave the country, thats going over the top,and acting like Mugabe.We are all entitled to vote and support who we want and NOT be bullied.

IT IS CALLED FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
GO FOR YOUR LIVES!
AREN'T WE ALL LUCKY?
O.K. COMMUNISTS TO THE LEFT, FACSITS TO THE RIGHT AND ALL THE OTHERS IN BETWEEN!
ALL OF THIS ANGER AND PASSION KEEPS THE COUNTRY IN A HEALTHY STATE!
THIS IS THE GOLDEN AGE, EVEN FOR THOSE THAT DONT REALISE IT!

HEY GEOFF, YOU CAN BE WHAT YOU WANT, THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT SO GOOD!

omegaman wrote:
Would the 104 people who wasted their vote in Winton East by voting for the local fascist party be kind enough to leave Bourbnemouth ASAP.

only 104 BNP leaving?

What about the others who voted BNP in West Soutbourne ward, local election 2003, 293 votes.

Poole constituency GE 2005, 547 votes.

Iford and Littledown ward Bournemouth local election 2005, 74 votes.

Iford and Littledown ward, Bournemouth 2007, 223 votes.

Alderney ward, Poole 2007. 464 votes.

West Southbourne ward, Bournemouth 2007 235 votes.

Parkstone ward 2007, Poole 414 votes

Plus winton east 2008 104 votes, which means there would be a lot of empty homes eh??

from 2,354 approx BNP supporters (give or take those who voted in 2 elections)in Bournemouth and Poole!!

some very good debates on this thread all valid depending on your circumstances in life i think. My father who is 80 has never been so well off, my husband and I are having to work just as hard now as we hurtle to retirement and my daughter and family cannot afford to buy a house. We all vote for whom is best for our personal lives rather than who benefits the country as a whole. To be honest I feel you could put all the party's in a bag and shake them up and place them all around Parliament and not notice the difference. The Labour party are a watered down version of the tories and ditto the Tories, can anyone honestly say there is much difference these days.