Southbourne is already a "no-go" area for Transdev and now West Howe, although for different reasons. Maybe the people of Bournemouth should start a bus service that actually serves the people of the town.

Maybe we could call it Bournemouth Transport!

More surveillance cameras are needed in places like this. Catch a few more of the little toe-rags and get the estate sorted! Not that long ago Townsend was a no-go area, when was the last time it hit the headlines? Ages ago! The estate has improved dramatically,now it's WestHowe's turn. Come on parents of West Howe - do you know where your kids are? Do you know what they're up to? Doubt it.

So much for this being a "Respect Area",very little respect going on there.It just shows how much money is wasted by Central Goverment" on schemes that make lttle difference to a community.What is need is to listen to Local People's agenda and not some civil servant in London.The tools are now there to implement on people who cause behaviour of this kind and maybe it is time to use the "joined up" approach in reality as usuing it as a buzz word.

Could be a massive advantage during the summer when the fireworks start again!
Shame other residents have to suffer because of little yobos.

And not just the residents, I work in this area and travel by bus. I dont drive and would have a major problem getting to and from work. When will these idiots realise that all actions have consequences? Why can't they think of other people, instead of just thinking about how much "fun" they are having?

The Police already have the powers to break up gatherings of youths. Why don't they just get on and use it?

Trifecta wrote:
Southbourne is already a "no-go" area for Transdev and now West Howe, although for different reasons. Maybe the people of Bournemouth should start a bus service that actually serves the people of the town. Maybe we could call it Bournemouth Transport!

Completely missing the point if I may say so!
You appear to be saying if the people of this town start up new bus services it is OK for the little yobs to trash them and endanger passengers and staff.
Frankly the whole Country, not just possibly West Howe's buses, is being rapidly lost to feral youths (and indirectly their useless parents) illegal immigrants, dishonest and inept politicians, incompentent politically correct public sector workers and a politicised police force.
That is why West Howe is becoming a no go area for buses and decent folk and that is the point.

Mark wrote:

Trifecta wrote: Southbourne is already a "no-go" area for Transdev and now West Howe, although for different reasons. Maybe the people of Bournemouth should start a bus service that actually serves the people of the town. Maybe we could call it Bournemouth Transport!

Completely missing the point if I may say so! You appear to be saying if the people of this town start up new bus services it is OK for the little yobs to trash them and endanger passengers and staff. Frankly the whole Country, not just possibly West Howe's buses, is being rapidly lost to feral youths (and indirectly their useless parents) illegal immigrants, dishonest and inept politicians, incompentent politically correct public sector workers and a politicised police force. That is why West Howe is becoming a no go area for buses and decent folk and that is the point.

Mark, I think you missed the note of sarcasm in Trifecta's contribution. I totally agree with you. I was born and brought up in West Howe ( a few years ago admittedly) but, like the rest of this town and country, it's all going to the dogs !!!

maybe transdev should make west howe a no-go area in the evenings it was years ago with yellow buses that seemed to d o the trick maybe then the parents who don't give a **** would then take notice when they find it difficult to pick up their benefits and spend time in the pub while their little darlings are running riot around the estate

Richard wrote:
The Police already have the powers to break up gatherings of youths. Why don't they just get on and use it?

The Police have many powers but are put off by how many days of paperwork they'd have to fill in after the incident!

It is a great shame that a few mindless yobs are bringing the West Howe area into disrepute.
I can assure you all that a great deal of superb work is being done in this community which most people are unaware of.

These yobs need to be caught and seen to be punished, the softly softly approach by the PC brigade to deal with antisocial behaviour has failed. Instead of “antisocial behaviour co-ordinators”, “ASBO Co-ordinators”, “superwardens” etc. we need more Police. It is totally unacceptable that ignorant thugs dictate what level of Public Transport the town has.

Can we expect that the Echo team will be out with the buses taking photos and writing reports of the incidents? I know they are in a crusading mode with their coveragee of school parking so another problem for them to solve.

Bring back the stocks. Give them a sound thrashing with a fresh birch and then chain them to the back of a bus and drag them around West Howe a couple of times. Firm but fair!

Just to make it clear - I mean the vandals. Not the Echo team.

rayc wrote:
Can we expect that the Echo team will be out with the buses taking photos and writing reports of the incidents? I know they are in a crusading mode with their coveragee of school parking so another problem for them to solve.

As for pc hammond being in plain clothes,thats comical,all the kids know him,waste of time.

Thanks Dennis! I don't much care for smileys but on this occasion a pair of rolling eyes may of helped.

My point Mark, was that this is just another excuse for Transdev to remove a "service" and that this is yet another dividend from the previous disastrous council. All the company wants is to make a profit and until a "service" is reintroduced they will find all sorts of excuses to pull out of areas, like West Howe, where people genuinely need a public transport service.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

rayc wrote:
Can we expect that the Echo team will be out with the buses taking photos and writing reports of the incidents? I know they are in a crusading mode with their coveragee of school parking so another problem for them to solve.

As for pc hammond being in plain clothes,thats comical,all the kids know him,waste of time.

Sorry Pete but I know PC Hammond is actually respected by many kids in the area and works with many of them in youth clubs etc.I have a lot of dealings with him and know he gets results.
As for other points made about more Police. We have an excellent team in the area with the CPO's but with even more Police what can they do ? Stand at each bus stop ?
Sorry but the answer lies with parental control( or lack of it !)

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
These yobs need to be caught and seen to be punished, the softly softly approach by the PC brigade to deal with antisocial behaviour has failed. Instead of “antisocial behaviour co-ordinators”, “ASBO Co-ordinators”, “superwardens” etc. we need more Police. It is totally unacceptable that ignorant thugs dictate what level of Public Transport the town has.

Totally agree. We need to be looking to our goverment to employ more POLICE with proper powers.

Trifecta wrote:
Thanks Dennis! I don't much care for smileys but on this occasion a pair of rolling eyes may of helped. My point Mark, was that this is just another excuse for Transdev to remove a "service" and that this is yet another dividend from the previous disastrous council. All the company wants is to make a profit and until a "service" is reintroduced they will find all sorts of excuses to pull out of areas, like West Howe, where people genuinely need a public transport service.

Fair comment. But do Transdev need an excuse to take away buses? They are a private business with a duty to make a profit, they may take a bus route off, with due notice, at any time they wish.
I would suggest that in this instance there is a good reason to consider withdrawing these buses - not an excuse.
I have no doubt some people in West Howe genuinely need public transport, but whilst yobs keep endangering it no bus operator, council or private, is going to run them.
However I bet the speed camera around the corner from the vandalised stops is being well looked after. Catch honest motorists accidently driving a few miles over the limit and meet your government led targets - as I said politicised. The yobs around the corner trashing the bus stops appear to be quite invulnerable.

Mark wrote:

Trifecta wrote: Thanks Dennis! I don't much care for smileys but on this occasion a pair of rolling eyes may of helped. My point Mark, was that this is just another excuse for Transdev to remove a "service" and that this is yet another dividend from the previous disastrous council. All the company wants is to make a profit and until a "service" is reintroduced they will find all sorts of excuses to pull out of areas, like West Howe, where people genuinely need a public transport service.

Fair comment. But do Transdev need an excuse to take away buses? They are a private business with a duty to make a profit, they may take a bus route off, with due notice, at any time they wish. I would suggest that in this instance there is a good reason to consider withdrawing these buses - not an excuse. I have no doubt some people in West Howe genuinely need public transport, but whilst yobs keep endangering it no bus operator, council or private, is going to run them. However I bet the speed camera around the corner from the vandalised stops is being well looked after. Catch honest motorists accidently driving a few miles over the limit and meet your government led targets - as I said politicised. The yobs around the corner trashing the bus stops appear to be quite invulnerable.

Mark i agree with you 100%, why do transdev need an excuse to cease the service, they can do what they like. I don't go to West Howe for oen reason, it dont feel safe so why should bus drivers be made to go there? They are not paid to take abuse and worse off scum bags. Its simple, if people in that area can not handle there own children then stop the service for the safety of every other passenger and staff member.

Geoff wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

rayc wrote:
Can we expect that the Echo team will be out with the buses taking photos and writing reports of the incidents? I know they are in a crusading mode with their coveragee of school parking so another problem for them to solve.

As for pc hammond being in plain clothes,thats comical,all the kids know him,waste of time.

Sorry Pete but I know PC Hammond is actually respected by many kids in the area and works with many of them in youth clubs etc.I have a lot of dealings with him and know he gets results.
As for other points made about more Police. We have an excellent team in the area with the CPO's but with even more Police what can they do ? Stand at each bus stop ?
Sorry but the answer lies with parental control( or lack of it !)

The point i made was that all the kids know him, so why was the emphasis on plain clothes. And pc hammond might try being more polite with some of us older ones.

Geoff wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

rayc wrote:
Can we expect that the Echo team will be out with the buses taking photos and writing reports of the incidents? I know they are in a crusading mode with their coveragee of school parking so another problem for them to solve.

As for pc hammond being in plain clothes,thats comical,all the kids know him,waste of time.

Sorry Pete but I know PC Hammond is actually respected by many kids in the area and works with many of them in youth clubs etc.I have a lot of dealings with him and know he gets results.
As for other points made about more Police. We have an excellent team in the area with the CPO's but with even more Police what can they do ? Stand at each bus stop ?
Sorry but the answer lies with parental control( or lack of it !)

The point i made was that all the kids know him, so why was the emphasis on plain clothes. And pc hammond might try being more polite with some of us older ones.

Here we go again, the mindless minority spoiling it for the rest of the community. Perhaps the cab drivers should also make these areas 'no go' as well, and then the local authority just might sit up and take notice. Better still let's put up our own 'Berlin Wall' and issue passes. I regularly see kids not even 10 years old out on the streets in the early hours of the morning. At the end of the day it's down to proper parenting and if that fails a punishment to fit the crime. Forget ASBO's (they're a badge of honour for most), and 'official warnings'. Make them work - cleaning the streets, picking up litter and removing graffiti for their crimes.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Geoff wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

rayc wrote:
Can we expect that the Echo team will be out with the buses taking photos and writing reports of the incidents? I know they are in a crusading mode with their coveragee of school parking so another problem for them to solve.

As for pc hammond being in plain clothes,thats comical,all the kids know him,waste of time.

Sorry Pete but I know PC Hammond is actually respected by many kids in the area and works with many of them in youth clubs etc.I have a lot of dealings with him and know he gets results.
As for other points made about more Police. We have an excellent team in the area with the CPO's but with even more Police what can they do ? Stand at each bus stop ?
Sorry but the answer lies with parental control( or lack of it !)

The point i made was that all the kids know him, so why was the emphasis on plain clothes. And pc hammond might try being more polite with some of us older ones.

I assume PC Hammond was on the bus in plain clothes monitoring the situation ? He would recognize the trouble makers on the street but surely they would have some problems recognizing him in a bus ?

Mark wrote:

Trifecta wrote: Thanks Dennis! I don't much care for smileys but on this occasion a pair of rolling eyes may of helped. My point Mark, was that this is just another excuse for Transdev to remove a "service" and that this is yet another dividend from the previous disastrous council. All the company wants is to make a profit and until a "service" is reintroduced they will find all sorts of excuses to pull out of areas, like West Howe, where people genuinely need a public transport service.

Fair comment. But do Transdev need an excuse to take away buses? They are a private business with a duty to make a profit, they may take a bus route off, with due notice, at any time they wish. I would suggest that in this instance there is a good reason to consider withdrawing these buses - not an excuse. I have no doubt some people in West Howe genuinely need public transport, but whilst yobs keep endangering it no bus operator, council or private, is going to run them. However I bet the speed camera around the corner from the vandalised stops is being well looked after. Catch honest motorists accidently driving a few miles over the limit and meet your government led targets - as I said politicised. The yobs around the corner trashing the bus stops appear to be quite invulnerable.

exactly mark, why should the drivers be put in danger by flying bricks etc? a brick hitting someone in the head thrown by a little 12 or 13 year old yob will maim /kill just as much as one thrown by a 20 year old. and even if it misses somebody it still costs several hundred pounds to replace one window, all of which will have to be payed by the bus company and it makes running a service through areas like this a big loss on profit which transdev is entitled to make as ithas big operating costs.

These comments are obviously read by kids,so now anyone on a bus, that might look like a policeman,could be the target of yobs.as they love to torment policemen on their own.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
These comments are obviously read by kids,so now anyone on a bus, that might look like a policeman,could be the target of yobs.as they love to torment policemen on their own.

These yobs are going to target people regardless of whether they think they are a police officer or not.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
These comments are obviously read by kids,so now anyone on a bus, that might look like a policeman,could be the target of yobs.as they love to torment policemen on their own.

How does anyone "look like a policeman" other than being in uniform ?
As Mum of three said, these yobs will target anyone ! As I have said before, what about parental control ?

Lots of interesting comments from many, but only a few have mentioned the parents of these kids.

As we know Transdev, and W&D stop running buses long before these kids make their way home, if they go home. The buses are just an excuse, a target.

It is the parents through the apprehension of the kids who need to be persecuted in some way.

I too was born and bred in West Howe. It was called the jungle, amongst many other names. The buses were diverted from the main West Howe Road back all those years, but it was not because of the kids, why, because we would have been caught regardless of when, flogged by the local PC, and then flogged by our parents. Neither happens now. No one stands a chance of getting back at the youth of today. We live in that PC world.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
These comments are obviously read by kids,so now anyone on a bus, that might look like a policeman,could be the target of yobs.as they love to torment policemen on their own.

That says it all. If the Police are "tormented" and can't do anything about it there's no chance for the rest of us. Is it a Dorset thing? They want to get the police down here from Car Wars, they seem to have no problems in dragging youths out of cars and cuffing them.

Can I urge all of you who live in the north Bournemouth area to start attending the Kinson/North Bournemouth Area Forum !
Next meeting is at Pelhams on Saturday March 8th at 10am. I can assure you that it is a great opportunity to meet Councillors, Police and Council Officials and put your concerns to them. This is obviously one of them !
If you voice your concerns it will be listened too !

From where I live Geoff, we have before, and are still waiting. We took the stance and did it ourselves. Might give it another go though

Suprised people in westhow can afford the bus.... Do my taxes buy them a free bus pass or something, then they beat up the driver in return?

Lovely!

I too lived in West Howe as a teenager (admittedly a long time ago). If we "misbehaved" we were punished, not just told "who's a naughty child then, please don't do that again". I now live in an estate similar to West Howe in Birmingham. Yes we have our problems, but there are things for kids to do around here. there wasn't in WH when I was there. Has it improved? My father still lives there. The bus is his only way of getting out & about. Take that away & he is isolated. I am sure there are many more in his situation. More policing & stronger deterrents are the only solutions. Oh, hang on, more police would cost the council more money wouldn't it?

Time for a zero tolerance approach or we will not rescue the UK from the rapid downward spiral it is in.

When will those in power realise this?

Do they care?

Last person with common-sense to leave the country, turn the lights off.

I don't blame the company for considering suspending services - any service (whether it be an inbound call centre, shop, pub, or yes, a bus service) has the right to refuse or suspend service if there are adequate grounds to do so ie abuse of employees or the service. Especially so in the interests of the safety of its employees, where one may even consider it an obligation! If it has the evidence to show that people are doing the things that are said to be done then they are within their rights to stop the services!

As for gangs of feral youths wondering the streets, it's only a handful of them causing the trouble but giving a bad name to the majority who get their heads down and dont make the news because they're well behaved! It's down to the way people are brought up now. Preaching right and wrong doesnt work because you reach that age and rebel against those sermons! However if young people do start crowding the borstals then maybe we should bring back National Service for those who cause trouble.

sailor wrote:
From where I live Geoff, we have before, and are still waiting. We took the stance and did it ourselves. Might give it another go though

The Forum now covers Ensbury Park as well !
I can personally vouch that it is a great platform for "Joe public" to get their concerns across to those that matter. I know because I raised the issue at last Saturday's meeting of dog attacks in the area and it will be on the Agenda next time, with hopefully someone from the Dog Wardens to answer questions !

Why can't people understand that this situation will not be controlled until things are well Out of control! You see every generation of Scumbags becomes worse, the parents of these scum drop outs were almost the same as their kids, the problem is that each generation becomes worse, I can't wait, just imagine what it will be like when these little scumbags have kids, won't it be just lovely!
The UK is fast becoming out of control, I'm afraid that we just live in a pathetic country, pathetic politicians, pathetic laws and far too many do gooders.

steve bowman wrote:
Why can't people understand that this situation will not be controlled until things are well Out of control! You see every generation of Scumbags becomes worse, the parents of these scum drop outs were almost the same as their kids, the problem is that each generation becomes worse, I can't wait, just imagine what it will be like when these little scumbags have kids, won't it be just lovely!
The UK is fast becoming out of control, I'm afraid that we just live in a pathetic country, pathetic politicians, pathetic laws and far too many do gooders.

On your last paragraph,i agree,as for parents,they should be held responsible,but like the mother in the school drinking issue,they sometimes make things worse

Geoff, the last time i went to the forum it was full of councillors,trying to make a name for themselves,and a saturday morning is a busy time,not good for meetings.

The junction of Poole lane and Moore Avenue has been a trouble spot for some time now. Youths come down Moore Avenue and congregate there because they have little else to do at home. The Bus shelters and benches are ideal for there use just take away the benches and the bus shelter. The council own the large block of flats that over look this trouble spot so why hasn't the Council applied CCTV from the wall of the flats?

The local residents of Poole Lane keep their houses and gardens looking lovely and there are many OAPS in retirement bungalows in roads off of Poole lane why should they have to suffer for these ScumBags who are out of control. Don't blame the single parent families either, as mums can't stand up to large young men who often abuse the mums yet they are afraid and ashamed to say. When single parent mothers ask the Police for help with unruly kids the Police don't want to know and that's all over Britain not just West Howe.

Here is a link to photos of damage to 'The junction of Poole lane and Moore Avenue' in just one night. The day before these photos were taken the local residents had cleaned the area up.

Copy paste link into browser:

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We need to bring back National Service and Borstal for those out of control.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Geoff, the last time i went to the forum it was full of councillors,trying to make a name for themselves,and a saturday morning is a busy time,not good for meetings.

Last Saturday's meeting had quite a few Councillors ( including head of the Council), Police officers and Council officers. Planning was debated as well as rises in Council Tax.It was NOT a case of Councillors making a name for themselves ! It is a great opportunity for all of them to work together and be non-political (which they do in most cases)and stand up for causes they believe in. I got cross party support in my concerns on dog attacks which proves that point.
As for being busy on Saturday ! If you cannot spare 2 hours on a Saturday you must be very busy ! If it was held in the evening, most people would be glued to their goggle box !
Apathy rules O.K !!

Would you drive your own Vehicle through there, have it stoned by oiks and then come back the next day for some more of the same? No? i didn't think so....so the Bus company can and will stop their Buses from going there if they so wish.

Geoff, I'm sure that you find the meetings very rewarding if not stimulating, as it is something that we have become very good at holding in our UK Jobsworths based society, but I can tell you a long with thousands of other poeple across dorset that your meetings actually achieve nothing more that a night out and a good chin wag.This country is on a rapidly increasing downward spiral that is fast becoming out of control.
Let us take up your dog attack debate, do you realy think that the CHT chavs, waisters and scumbags that own these types of dogs really give a stuff about what other people think? if you think that the answers yes then I'm sorry to be the one that has to tell you that you are so very wrong. The only solution by our councils, by our legal system and by our policing is that we all stop poncing around and start getting tough, many people have many different ideas but unless something happens soon we are all going to suffer and suffer badly and I mean badly.

steve bowman wrote:
Geoff, I'm sure that you find the meetings very rewarding if not stimulating, as it is something that we have become very good at holding in our UK Jobsworths based society, but I can tell you a long with thousands of other poeple across dorset that your meetings actually achieve nothing more that a night out and a good chin wag.This country is on a rapidly increasing downward spiral that is fast becoming out of control.
Let us take up your dog attack debate, do you realy think that the CHT chavs, waisters and scumbags that own these types of dogs really give a stuff about what other people think? if you think that the answers yes then I'm sorry to be the one that has to tell you that you are so very wrong. The only solution by our councils, by our legal system and by our policing is that we all stop poncing around and start getting tough, many people have many different ideas but unless something happens soon we are all going to suffer and suffer badly and I mean badly.

Steve, the whole idea of the meetings from my point of view is to get those in power locally to act ! Forums were formulated to give us a voice in our community.I completely agree that society needs a drastic change. Unless we all speak our minds using the proper channels we will not be heard !
However much we rant and rave on this or any other subject on this or any other such outlet, it makes little difference !
The democratic way has to be used, however frustrating it may be.
What other ways are there ? Vigilante groups roaming around estates ?
Is that what you want ?

Being a resident of West Howe and some one who rely's on the routes through the area it's just a tad annoying. But I can understand why but It's not all the young people in West Howe who cause trouble but again the majority of young people are streotyped. I'm 17 and on several occasions recently I've been chucked off the bus for no reason at all. Luckily it's been a few stops before where I should get off. But still couldn't Yellow Buses hold a meeting with West Howe residents including young people to try and make some sort of action plan on how to stop this or come to some sort of agreement with residents???

Geoff wrote:

steve bowman wrote:
Geoff, I'm sure that you find the meetings very rewarding if not stimulating, as it is something that we have become very good at holding in our UK Jobsworths based society, but I can tell you a long with thousands of other poeple across dorset that your meetings actually achieve nothing more that a night out and a good chin wag.This country is on a rapidly increasing downward spiral that is fast becoming out of control.
Let us take up your dog attack debate, do you realy think that the CHT chavs, waisters and scumbags that own these types of dogs really give a stuff about what other people think? if you think that the answers yes then I'm sorry to be the one that has to tell you that you are so very wrong. The only solution by our councils, by our legal system and by our policing is that we all stop poncing around and start getting tough, many people have many different ideas but unless something happens soon we are all going to suffer and suffer badly and I mean badly.

Steve, the whole idea of the meetings from my point of view is to get those in power locally to act ! Forums were formulated to give us a voice in our community.I completely agree that society needs a drastic change. Unless we all speak our minds using the proper channels we will not be heard !
However much we rant and rave on this or any other subject on this or any other such outlet, it makes little difference !
The democratic way has to be used, however frustrating it may be.
What other ways are there ? Vigilante groups roaming around estates ?
Is that what you want ?

Just want to follow on from part of what Geoff has said and what I have said. Use democracy and not just the Bournemouth council but the Bournemouth youth council as well.

ninelykstort wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Geoff, the last time i went to the forum it was full of councillors,trying to make a name for themselves,and a saturday morning is a busy time,not good for meetings.

Poor old Pete nothing left in his life but to write on line. Never mind he always gives us a laugh which we all enjoy. The fact taht he is really is an grumpy old man makes yus all laugh. Keep it up Pete old man we laove you really. By the way I am not a councillor before you sprout off again but just a resident of Bournemouth.

knowall again.going off the subject.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

ninelykstort wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote: Geoff, the last time i went to the forum it was full of councillors,trying to make a name for themselves,and a saturday morning is a busy time,not good for meetings.

Poor old Pete nothing left in his life but to write on line. Never mind he always gives us a laugh which we all enjoy. The fact taht he is really is an grumpy old man makes yus all laugh. Keep it up Pete old man we laove you really. By the way I am not a councillor before you sprout off again but just a resident of Bournemouth.

knowall again.going off the subject.

Good to see Mr Woodley winning friends and influencing people as-per-usual.

PC Rob Hammond, West Howe's Safer Neighbourhood Team manager said "The perpetrators, who we believe are under 15 years old, could be cautioned or even find themselves up before the courts for criminal damage."


WOW!!!!!
Thats one hell of a deterrent.....Haaaa totally laughable.

WOW!!!!!
Thats one hell of a deterrent.....Haaaa totally laughable.

Too true, because we all know that the police will spend hours on manpower (inc paperwork) only for some namby-pamby judge to tell them not to do it again.

I think maybe some sort of curfew should be brought in, all over the country. Kids seems to be on the streets at all hours of the morning, and the parents don't seem to be doing much do they?

As per the normal its the minority that makes it hard for the majority............
......I have to rely on buses to get to work from West Howe and its going to be a good 20 minute walk if they decide to suspend the service to get to the nearest bus stop................
.why should me and my family be penalised because of some idiots actions.............
.......do they have any idea how they are affecting the local community???????????
? I have two children one aged 17 and the other 7...........the older one is involved in trying to make Bournemouth a better place for young people but people like this are making it harder for the majority of teenagers in West Howe because of the minority who want to cause trouble.............
...

Geoff wrote:
Can I urge all of you who live in the north Bournemouth area to start attending the Kinson/North Bournemouth Area Forum ! Next meeting is at Pelhams on Saturday March 8th at 10am. I can assure you that it is a great opportunity to meet Councillors, Police and Council Officials and put your concerns to them. This is obviously one of them ! If you voice your concerns it will be listened too !

The problem is that councillors and the Police should be well aware of all these problems by now. With 16,000 cases of antisocial behaviour reported the other year, how many times do the authorities have to be told before they act? All the Council and the Police ever seem to do is hold meetings and talk about these problems. All these extra “antisocial behaviour co-ordinators”, “ASBO co-ordinators”, “superwardens” etc. our Council loves to employ are not even on duty during the evenings – what use are they? Time to get rid of these part time “half-a-jobsworths” and use the money to employ more Police. Actions speak louder than words.

Carl Barron wrote:
The junction of Poole lane and Moore Avenue has been a trouble spot for some time now. Youths come down Moore Avenue and congregate there because they have little else to do at home. The Bus shelters and benches are ideal for there use just take away the benches and the bus shelter. The council own the large block of flats that over look this trouble spot so why hasn't the Council applied CCTV from the wall of the flats? The local residents of Poole Lane keep their houses and gardens looking lovely and there are many OAPS in retirement bungalows in roads off of Poole lane why should they have to suffer for these ScumBags who are out of control. Don't blame the single parent families either, as mums can't stand up to large young men who often abuse the mums yet they are afraid and ashamed to say. When single parent mothers ask the Police for help with unruly kids the Police don't want to know and that's all over Britain not just West Howe. Here is a link to photos of damage to 'The junction of Poole lane and Moore Avenue' in just one night. The day before these photos were taken the local residents had cleaned the area up. Copy paste link into browser: http://dorsetvisualg uide.co.uk/poole_fac ts.htm We need to bring back National Service and Borstal for those out of control.

Whilst it is difficult to bring up some unruly kids..Why should it be up to the police to help single parent mothers with their unruly kids!? the police are not social workers.

Mum of three said "Why should it be up to the police to help single parent mothers with their unruly kids!? the police are not social workers".

Nobody on here is asking for the Police to act as social workers. They are asking for them to act as Police Officers and arrest those who are breaking the law. They should then be taken in front of courts who would dish out real and effective justice with punishments that are designed to deter further transgressions.
If anything is to blame, except for the culprits themselves, it is the wish washy justice system of which the Police are part.

If this behaviour is to be tolerated the area will not be able to have language students any more which does help many of the households get by.
Bring back the STOCKS! In these small areas,theres always a park to put them in. Not only would it humiliate these few selfish mindless individuals, but it would get any frustration out of those law abiding citizens with just having the satisfaction of seeing these idiots sitting hopeless out in all the elements.
I'm sure the majority would love to see this.

Actually Rayc, if you read carl barrons post that i quoted you will see that he talks about mums not being able to stand up to their son's who abuse them. He then says:- "when single parent mothers ask the police for help with unruly kids the police dont't want to know and thats's all over britain not just west howe". What i am saying is that if these mums can't control their kids anymore then it is social services that they need to involve not the police.
And yes you are quite right in saying that the justice system is a joke, but this is as much a nightmare to the police as it is to the general public.

CollegeKid wrote:

Geoff wrote:

steve bowman wrote:
Geoff, I'm sure that you find the meetings very rewarding if not stimulating, as it is something that we have become very good at holding in our UK Jobsworths based society, but I can tell you a long with thousands of other poeple across dorset that your meetings actually achieve nothing more that a night out and a good chin wag.This country is on a rapidly increasing downward spiral that is fast becoming out of control.
Let us take up your dog attack debate, do you realy think that the CHT chavs, waisters and scumbags that own these types of dogs really give a stuff about what other people think? if you think that the answers yes then I'm sorry to be the one that has to tell you that you are so very wrong. The only solution by our councils, by our legal system and by our policing is that we all stop poncing around and start getting tough, many people have many different ideas but unless something happens soon we are all going to suffer and suffer badly and I mean badly.

Steve, the whole idea of the meetings from my point of view is to get those in power locally to act ! Forums were formulated to give us a voice in our community.I completely agree that society needs a drastic change. Unless we all speak our minds using the proper channels we will not be heard !
However much we rant and rave on this or any other subject on this or any other such outlet, it makes little difference !
The democratic way has to be used, however frustrating it may be.
What other ways are there ? Vigilante groups roaming around estates ?
Is that what you want ?

Just want to follow on from part of what Geoff has said and what I have said. Use democracy and not just the Bournemouth council but the Bournemouth youth council as well.

Well said
CollegeKid !!
It is only a minority that cause problems in the area. As someone who has a lot of contact with the Police in the area through my volunteer work, can I just say that they do a superb job and we are lucky to have them in our area.Their hard work, together with others has cut down anti-social behaviour in our area. That is a fact !!
By the way CollegeKid, why not get the Youth Council involved at the Forum ?

Back in the late 1950s and early 60s, my mother taught what were then called the ESN children (now called "special needs") at the junior school in Fernheath Road (I think it has a different name now) and the whole of the West Howe estate was one big trouble area then (she used to call it Mau Mau country). Nothing's changed. The parents didn't control their kids then and they still don't, a generation or two down the line.

Sarah Lane wrote:
Back in the late 1950s and early 60s, my mother taught what were then called the ESN children (now called "special needs") at the junior school in Fernheath Road (I think it has a different name now) and the whole of the West Howe estate was one big trouble area then (she used to call it Mau Mau country). Nothing's changed. The parents didn't control their kids then and they still don't, a generation or two down the line.

Not all 'special needs' children are a product of bad parenting or bad homes. My child has special needs, but is from a loving, well disciplined home. Special needs children can come from all walks of life.

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:

Geoff wrote:
Can I urge all of you who live in the north Bournemouth area to start attending the Kinson/North Bournemouth Area Forum ! Next meeting is at Pelhams on Saturday March 8th at 10am. I can assure you that it is a great opportunity to meet Councillors, Police and Council Officials and put your concerns to them. This is obviously one of them ! If you voice your concerns it will be listened too !

The problem is that councillors and the Police should be well aware of all these problems by now. With 16,000 cases of antisocial behaviour reported the other year, how many times do the authorities have to be told before they act? All the Council and the Police ever seem to do is hold meetings and talk about these problems. All these extra “antisocial behaviour co-ordinators”, “ASBO co-ordinators”, “superwardens” etc. our Council loves to employ are not even on duty during the evenings – what use are they? Time to get rid of these part time “half-a-jobsworths” and use the money to employ more Police. Actions speak louder than words.

Have you met Roger Burt one of the ASBO "workers" ,He proves your point,a waste of space,talk about jobs for the boys(and girls),more trained full time policemen as you say are needed,not Pcso's.POLICE who do go out at night.The public do not help,look at the personal,comments here against me,nothing to do with subject,if so called adults act like that, what can we expect from kids.

Sarah Lane wrote:
Back in the late 1950s and early 60s, my mother taught what were then called the ESN children (now called "special needs") at the junior school in Fernheath Road (I think it has a different name now) and the whole of the West Howe estate was one big trouble area then (she used to call it Mau Mau country). Nothing's changed. The parents didn't control their kids then and they still don't, a generation or two down the line.

How do you know it has not changed from the late 50's ? You live in London ! Ludicrous statement to make !
It is nothing like those days and problems now are being blown out of proportion with yours and other such comments.

Just for the record College Kid went to get on a yellow bus to go to college this morning.............
....the first bus she got on to she was told to get off even though she has a valid ticket..............
..to say I am angry is putting it mildly..............
.She is 17 works hard and is aiming to go to university eventually..........
.....does that make her someone to be singled out............not all youths on West Howe are the same............and @ Geoff she is already on Bournemouth Youth Council so they are aware of what is going on..................
......

Just for the record College Kid went to get on a yellow bus to go to college this morning.............
....the first bus she got on to she was told to get off even though she has a valid ticket..............
..to say I am angry is putting it mildly..............
.She is 17 works hard and is aiming to go to university eventually..........
.....does that make her someone to be singled out............not all youths on West Howe are the same............and @ Geoff she is already on Bournemouth Youth Council so they are aware of what is going on..................
......

Mark wrote:

Trifecta wrote:
Southbourne is already a "no-go" area for Transdev and now West Howe, although for different reasons. Maybe the people of Bournemouth should start a bus service that actually serves the people of the town. Maybe we could call it Bournemouth Transport!

Completely missing the point if I may say so!
You appear to be saying if the people of this town start up new bus services it is OK for the little yobs to trash them and endanger passengers and staff.
Frankly the whole Country, not just possibly West Howe's buses, is being rapidly lost to feral youths (and indirectly their useless parents) illegal immigrants, dishonest and inept politicians, incompentent politically correct public sector workers and a politicised police force.
That is why West Howe is becoming a no go area for buses and decent folk and that is the point.

Well said Mark, bring back Corporal Punishment in Schools, bring back National Service, say a very big NO to any more immigrants entering the country, legal or otherwise. This country is a dumping ground for waifs and strays and endless scroungers, living off the backs of hard working tax payers. I am sick of this Nanny State that we now unfortunately live in, where Political correctness seems to be the order of the day and more important than basic common sense, respect and manners. The number of times I leave the Supermarket feeling stressed and sometimes with a headache because of the screaming little brats permitted to behave badly by useless parents. Only a couple of days ago, a young boy sat in the front of his parents shopping trolley, in Asda, screamed and screamed his dear little head off and nothing was done about it by the parents to correct his unsocial, unacceptable behaviour. There were many folk turning their heads and wandering what they had done to deserve being subjected to this appalling example of a very young child exerting his dominance, and at such a very tender age too. He no doubt, in time will become one of these unruly Yobs that society is unable to control.

Mark wrote:

Trifecta wrote:
Southbourne is already a "no-go" area for Transdev and now West Howe, although for different reasons. Maybe the people of Bournemouth should start a bus service that actually serves the people of the town. Maybe we could call it Bournemouth Transport!

Completely missing the point if I may say so!
You appear to be saying if the people of this town start up new bus services it is OK for the little yobs to trash them and endanger passengers and staff.
Frankly the whole Country, not just possibly West Howe's buses, is being rapidly lost to feral youths (and indirectly their useless parents) illegal immigrants, dishonest and inept politicians, incompentent politically correct public sector workers and a politicised police force.
That is why West Howe is becoming a no go area for buses and decent folk and that is the point.

Well said Mark, bring back Corporal Punishment in Schools, bring back National Service, say a very big NO to any more immigrants entering the country, legal or otherwise. This country is a dumping ground for waifs and strays and endless scroungers, living off the backs of hard working tax payers. I am sick of this Nanny State that we now unfortunately live in, where Political correctness seems to be the order of the day and more important than basic common sense, respect and manners. The number of times I leave the Supermarket feeling stressed and sometimes with a headache because of the screaming little brats permitted to behave badly by useless parents. Only a couple of days ago, a young boy sat in the front of his parents shopping trolley, in Asda, screamed and screamed his dear little head off and nothing was done about it by the parents to correct his unsocial, unacceptable behaviour. There were many folk turning their heads and wandering what they had done to deserve being subjected to this appalling example of a very young child exerting his dominance, and at such a very tender age too. He no doubt, in time will become one of these unruly Yobs that society is unable to control.

Dorsetman1986 wrote:
I don't blame the company for considering suspending services - any service (whether it be an inbound call centre, shop, pub, or yes, a bus service) has the right to refuse or suspend service if there are adequate grounds to do so ie abuse of employees or the service. Especially so in the interests of the safety of its employees, where one may even consider it an obligation! If it has the evidence to show that people are doing the things that are said to be done then they are within their rights to stop the services!

As for gangs of feral youths wondering the streets, it's only a handful of them causing the trouble but giving a bad name to the majority who get their heads down and dont make the news because they're well behaved! It's down to the way people are brought up now. Preaching right and wrong doesnt work because you reach that age and rebel against those sermons! However if young people do start crowding the borstals then maybe we should bring back National Service for those who cause trouble.

More related to the second part but thank you some one actually has recognised the young people that get on with what they want to do and not muck around!! 93% of media related to young people is negative that leaves a tiny 7% which is positive and yet I see hardly any postive stuff about young people in the media.

anyway in a more general way STOP STEREOTYPING ALL YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA AND PUBLICISE THE GOOD THINGS WE DO!!!

Sarah Lane wrote:
Back in the late 1950s and early 60s, my mother taught what were then called the ESN children (now called "special needs") at the junior school in Fernheath Road (I think it has a different name now) and the whole of the West Howe estate was one big trouble area then (she used to call it Mau Mau country). Nothing's changed. The parents didn't control their kids then and they still don't, a generation or two down the line.

Sorry Sarah, I have to beg to differ on this point. I too was borne and bred in West Howe, West Howe Road actually, in the 50s and 60s.

I am not saying that the area or in particular WHR was tip top, but it certainly was not how your mother depicts the area.

As I pointed out in my previous comments to this page. Unlike today, we would be severely punished if we did what the youth did today and not just the once. The first being from the person who caught you, the second from the local PC from Gort Road, and then your parents. If you were not actually guilty you were told off for being in the wrong place and the wrong time. The youth then did not have a say in the matter.

The School you refer to is and as been the South Kinson Junior School, now the South Kinson Primary School. It may have had special needs, as it does to day, as do all schools, However it appears that you and your mother assume this was the norm for the area, that all youths needed special needs.

The youth today are a different breed of youth. The problems lies at home, and within their upbringing. Due to all these child protection groups, children cannot be chastise anymore. No punishment, no detention, no names named, and much more. This is where the problem lies.

Someone also mentioned the National Service. Bring it back, it will do them good.

CollegeKid wrote:
Being a resident of West Howe and some one who rely's on the routes through the area it's just a tad annoying. But I can understand why but It's not all the young people in West Howe who cause trouble but again the majority of young people are streotyped. I'm 17 and on several occasions recently I've been chucked off the bus for no reason at all. Luckily it's been a few stops before where I should get off. But still couldn't Yellow Buses hold a meeting with West Howe residents including young people to try and make some sort of action plan on how to stop this or come to some sort of agreement with residents???

If this is true you should speak to Jenni Wilkinson (Trandev Yellow Buses) - she will need to know details of the bus route number, together with the dates and times this happened.

sailor wrote:

Sarah Lane wrote:
Back in the late 1950s and early 60s, my mother taught what were then called the ESN children (now called "special needs") at the junior school in Fernheath Road (I think it has a different name now) and the whole of the West Howe estate was one big trouble area then (she used to call it Mau Mau country). Nothing's changed. The parents didn't control their kids then and they still don't, a generation or two down the line.

Sorry Sarah, I have to beg to differ on this point. I too was borne and bred in West Howe, West Howe Road actually, in the 50s and 60s.

I am not saying that the area or in particular WHR was tip top, but it certainly was not how your mother depicts the area.

As I pointed out in my previous comments to this page. Unlike today, we would be severely punished if we did what the youth did today and not just the once. The first being from the person who caught you, the second from the local PC from Gort Road, and then your parents. If you were not actually guilty you were told off for being in the wrong place and the wrong time. The youth then did not have a say in the matter.

The School you refer to is and as been the South Kinson Junior School, now the South Kinson Primary School. It may have had special needs, as it does to day, as do all schools, However it appears that you and your mother assume this was the norm for the area, that all youths needed special needs.

The youth today are a different breed of youth. The problems lies at home, and within their upbringing. Due to all these child protection groups, children cannot be chastise anymore. No punishment, no detention, no names named, and much more. This is where the problem lies.

Someone also mentioned the National Service. Bring it back, it will do them good.

Well said sailor !

Sarah Lane wrote:
Back in the late 1950s and early 60s, my mother taught what were then called the ESN children (now called "special needs") at the junior school in Fernheath Road (I think it has a different name now) and the whole of the West Howe estate was one big trouble area then (she used to call it Mau Mau country). Nothing's changed. The parents didn't control their kids then and they still don't, a generation or two down the line.

Sorry Sarah but things do change we moved into the area 6 years ago and have had very few problems as I said before the minority seem to have it in for the majority and it penalises those who are good upstanding citizens............
.......and yes I am a parent who knows exactly where their kids are all the time...............

Sarah Lane wrote:
Back in the late 1950s and early 60s, my mother taught what were then called the ESN children (now called "special needs") at the junior school in Fernheath Road (I think it has a different name now) and the whole of the West Howe estate was one big trouble area then (she used to call it Mau Mau country). Nothing's changed. The parents didn't control their kids then and they still don't, a generation or two down the line.

Sorry Sarah but things do change we moved into the area 6 years ago and have had very few problems as I said before the minority seem to have it in for the majority and it penalises those who are good upstanding citizens............
.......and yes I am a parent who knows exactly where their kids are all the time...............

This is really sad for decent people whom rely on the buses.These moronic idiots need punishing. Don't let them get away with it. Make an example of them?

Thank You Davis!! People who rely on the buses are suffering because of the actions of other people.

CollegeKid wrote:

Dorsetman1986 wrote: I don't blame the company for considering suspending services - any service (whether it be an inbound call centre, shop, pub, or yes, a bus service) has the right to refuse or suspend service if there are adequate grounds to do so ie abuse of employees or the service. Especially so in the interests of the safety of its employees, where one may even consider it an obligation! If it has the evidence to show that people are doing the things that are said to be done then they are within their rights to stop the services! As for gangs of feral youths wondering the streets, it's only a handful of them causing the trouble but giving a bad name to the majority who get their heads down and dont make the news because they're well behaved! It's down to the way people are brought up now. Preaching right and wrong doesnt work because you reach that age and rebel against those sermons! However if young people do start crowding the borstals then maybe we should bring back National Service for those who cause trouble.

More related to the second part but thank you some one actually has recognised the young people that get on with what they want to do and not muck around!! 93% of media related to young people is negative that leaves a tiny 7% which is positive and yet I see hardly any postive stuff about young people in the media. anyway in a more general way STOP STEREOTYPING ALL YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA AND PUBLICISE THE GOOD THINGS WE DO!!!

You do occasionally see a story about how a young person did some good to the world, but they tend to almost always be pre-adolescent and happen to have detected a fire or something along those lines. Unfortunately because most young people are well behaved and dont cause trouble, it's the exceptions cases that make it into the papers and are then hammed up by tabloids looking to exploit it to make papers. If most young people were feral tribes wandering the streets then the act of a 16 year old holding the door open for a little old lady on the bus would be on the front pages!

My parents live in Ferndown in a very respectable area the average Friday or Saturday night will see groups of anything between 10-50 young people walking, shouting using foul language and causing mindless vandalism as they walk drunkenly from the playing fields to the town centre. Their neighbours wall yes wall was pushed down one night last year and an elderly couple were awoken by their six bar heavy wooden gate smashed of its gate post.

I believe this kind of thing regularly happens in Wimborne, Verwood, Swanage and many other local towns. All these areas suffer from anti-social behaviour but the press only seem to choose areas such as West Howe, Kinson, and Townsend why is this?

The problem is with our society is we love to look down on others less fortunate than ourselves it also makes us feel safer if we don’t live in an area such as West Howe if that area is portrayed by the media as a “No-Go Area”, however West Howe is not Toxteth in the 1980’s it has a small number of young people causing isolated anti-social problems.

Statistically Bournemouth does have a higher crime rate than any other part of Dorset (Home Office crime statistics for England &Wales for April 2005-March 2006). However you are more likely to be a victim of crime in the town centre or in the more upmarket areas of the community such as Westbourne as a recent Knife attack shows than in West Howe.

I have lived in both Ferndown and Queens Park both highly desirable places and with little crime, I now live in West Howe, not my choice but through circumstance, however I am proud to live here and hope I am still here for years to come.

I am proud I live in a strong community where people help each other, talk to each other and would happily help you if you needed it such as the two young “Hoodies” who pushed me up a hill when I was in my wheelchair. I am proud we have one the best Children’s Centres in the UK where families get support and training and parents are given time to study to better themselves and their families. A place where children can learn to play together and be respectful to each other.

I am proud to live in an area where people organise trips out for people who have no transport and can grow vegetables on a community allotment, that has an excellent youth centre with staff that care for the children of the area many less fortunate and in some cases less loved than you will ever know. That has a full time community worker that supports its residents in issues important to them.

There are not many if any other areas of the Bournemouth Community that can say they live in a “Community”. Yes it has it problems like any other area, but as one of the UK’s largest Social housing areas with over 5,000 council properties and over 10,000 people living here I don’t think it does to bad at all.

To those of you who do not live in our community, are you as proud of your community as we are of ours?