Bournemouth pensioner told to remove pop-up gazebo or lose her home

Joan Bourne in the garden of her flat

Joan Bourne in the garden of her flat

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A 67-YEAR-OLD woman has been told to remove her pop-up gazebo from a communal garden or risk being evicted from her home.

Joan Bourne, who lives in a Bournemouth Housing Society for the Elderly (BHSE) flat in Southbourne, bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather.

She is one of just two tenants who have direct access to the communal garden and she placed the gazebo immediately outside her back door.

But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents and it has now warned Mrs Bourne to remove both the gazebo and two garden storage boxes. They have passed the matter on to solicitors with a view to drawing up a Notice of Intention to Seek Possession.

Mrs Bourne said: “When it was hot, we were using parasols to shelter from the sun.

“I thought it would be easier just to invest in a cheap gazebo so we could still enjoy a cuppa and a chat outside.

“There were four or five of us that met under it regularly. It doesn’t affect anybody else using the garden.”

Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo also received letters saying it had to be removed. Marjorie Lonnen said: “I just couldn’t believe it. It is right at the end of the garden, it is not in anybody’s way.”

Steve Hayes, BHSE chief executive, said Mrs Bourne was in breach of her tenancy conditions by not removing all the items from the communal gardens.

“We have received a number of complaints from residents in connection with Mrs Bourne’s additions to the communal gardens and making allegations as to Mrs Bourne’s attitude to some residents’ use of the communal facilities,” he said.

“As a landlord we always need to be mindful that our actions should be both reasonable and proportionate. Mrs Bourne is aware that this matter is now in the hands of our solicitors who are highly experienced in this area of work.

“I am awaiting their opinion as to what if any legal and or other action we should consider taking over this.

“However if Mrs Bourne was to comply with the tenancy conditions and remove the items and give an undertaking not to put them back then the situation should resolve itself’.

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12:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Stereotyped says...

Old people love to have a moan don't they. Jesus Christ! And they say that kids are pathetic...
Old people love to have a moan don't they. Jesus Christ! And they say that kids are pathetic... Stereotyped
  • Score: 115

12:06pm Wed 27 Aug 14

smhinto says...

Another example of institutional 'snobbery' from the Bournemnouth
'blue-rinse' brigade who have nothing else to do apart from causing trouble needlessly.
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This is so typical of Bournemouth unfortunately.
Another example of institutional 'snobbery' from the Bournemnouth 'blue-rinse' brigade who have nothing else to do apart from causing trouble needlessly. . This is so typical of Bournemouth unfortunately. smhinto
  • Score: 125

12:09pm Wed 27 Aug 14

old git 2 says...

breach of tennancy - get her out!
breach of tennancy - get her out! old git 2
  • Score: -72

12:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

teri10 says...

How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!!
How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!! teri10
  • Score: 122

12:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rayc says...

It is amazing what triviality those in authority can get excited about. It is sometimes different though, as in the case of Rotherham Council, where 1400 children were abused but nobody in authority considers themselves to be to blame.
It is amazing what triviality those in authority can get excited about. It is sometimes different though, as in the case of Rotherham Council, where 1400 children were abused but nobody in authority considers themselves to be to blame. rayc
  • Score: 104

12:18pm Wed 27 Aug 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

If that is Steve Hayes formely of Raglan Housing Association then say no more !
If that is Steve Hayes formely of Raglan Housing Association then say no more ! politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 44

12:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

mungobean says...

It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now!
It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now! mungobean
  • Score: 31

12:25pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fizzy fert says...

It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed.
It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed. fizzy fert
  • Score: -22

12:28pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Obey the rules or leave. and is that your normal face or are you pulling it for dramatic effect?
Obey the rules or leave. and is that your normal face or are you pulling it for dramatic effect? Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 40

12:33pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jacs140@btinternet.com says...

This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it.
As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !!
This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it. As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !! jacs140@btinternet.com
  • Score: 47

12:35pm Wed 27 Aug 14

apm1954 says...

how much do you want for the gazebo.
how much do you want for the gazebo. apm1954
  • Score: 67

12:39pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BH-Christchurch says...

It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.
It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it. BH-Christchurch
  • Score: 108

12:41pm Wed 27 Aug 14

themummy says...

My Mother lives in communal elderly flats and the ridiculous complaints which are made by individuals there to the council are beyond reason. Too many old people who behave like children in the playground, with nothing to focus on other than causing trouble. The council pander to their nonsense and I suspect this HA is no different. Bit OTT threatening her with eviction! Bullies backed up by more bullies me thinks.
My Mother lives in communal elderly flats and the ridiculous complaints which are made by individuals there to the council are beyond reason. Too many old people who behave like children in the playground, with nothing to focus on other than causing trouble. The council pander to their nonsense and I suspect this HA is no different. Bit OTT threatening her with eviction! Bullies backed up by more bullies me thinks. themummy
  • Score: 55

12:57pm Wed 27 Aug 14

spooki says...

Whoever complained has obviously never been invited to use it. But it depends on HOW they're using it. They may be having a cuppa and a chat but at what time? And does it involve loud cackling?

Seems a bit petty considering there was a bloke elsewhere in the Daily Wail who has a school at the end of his garden which was meant to be some distance away but the Council made a "clerical error".
Whoever complained has obviously never been invited to use it. But it depends on HOW they're using it. They may be having a cuppa and a chat but at what time? And does it involve loud cackling? Seems a bit petty considering there was a bloke elsewhere in the Daily Wail who has a school at the end of his garden which was meant to be some distance away but the Council made a "clerical error". spooki
  • Score: 16

1:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

60plus says...

Maybe the people who are complaining where not invited for a cuppa .weather has changed now so they won't need it.
Maybe the people who are complaining where not invited for a cuppa .weather has changed now so they won't need it. 60plus
  • Score: 24

1:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

teri10 wrote:
How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!!
And when the next resident puts up an even bigger one, and another decides to move in a caravan, and so on, will you still be happy?

Rules are there when you sign the tenancy agreement. Some will grate; but without them, any communal tenancy will soon descend into chaos.

Here is a thought: Did she think of inquiring before buying and setting it up? Perhaps she should have.
[quote][p][bold]teri10[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!![/p][/quote]And when the next resident puts up an even bigger one, and another decides to move in a caravan, and so on, will you still be happy? Rules are there when you sign the tenancy agreement. Some will grate; but without them, any communal tenancy will soon descend into chaos. Here is a thought: Did she think of inquiring before buying and setting it up? Perhaps she should have. Yankee1
  • Score: 68

1:30pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

Looks like a number of the other tenants prefer sunshades, or nothing, to gazebos.

If you want to lord it over a garden you really need to make sure the other rightful users (and landlord) of that garden are in agreement with what you want to do. That, or actually be the landlord.
Looks like a number of the other tenants prefer sunshades, or nothing, to gazebos. If you want to lord it over a garden you really need to make sure the other rightful users (and landlord) of that garden are in agreement with what you want to do. That, or actually be the landlord. JackJohnson
  • Score: 51

1:32pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SympatheticSam says...

Just realised I know Joan. She is a complete idiot. Always causing issues. She's regularly in an argument with bus drivers. Quite cringeworthy. This doesn't surprise me one bit now.
Just realised I know Joan. She is a complete idiot. Always causing issues. She's regularly in an argument with bus drivers. Quite cringeworthy. This doesn't surprise me one bit now. SympatheticSam
  • Score: 60

1:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

Its not her garden and it is an enormous gazebo. Communal gardens do come with certain rules. Perhaps the residents could all be asked if they would like somewhere to shade under elsewhere on the lawn, and then something a bit more permanent could be put up.
Its not her garden and it is an enormous gazebo. Communal gardens do come with certain rules. Perhaps the residents could all be asked if they would like somewhere to shade under elsewhere on the lawn, and then something a bit more permanent could be put up. Branksome snail
  • Score: 57

1:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jquain says...

The lady is clearly in the wrong. She has broken the rules and refused to take the gazebo down. Her flat could be given to someone more deserving.

10/10 for the classic angry Echo pose in the photo though.
The lady is clearly in the wrong. She has broken the rules and refused to take the gazebo down. Her flat could be given to someone more deserving. 10/10 for the classic angry Echo pose in the photo though. jquain
  • Score: 49

2:10pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

"pop up" ?

dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche

pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster
"pop up" ? dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster Bob49
  • Score: 7

2:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

Bob49 wrote:
"pop up" ?

dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche

pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster
It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too.

Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission.
Other rightful users of that garden object.
Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles.
Tenant refuses.
Landlord takes next logical step.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "pop up" ? dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster[/p][/quote]It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too. Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission. Other rightful users of that garden object. Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles. Tenant refuses. Landlord takes next logical step. JackJohnson
  • Score: 37

2:21pm Wed 27 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths.

There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it.

(Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)
I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths. There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it. (Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!) muscliffman
  • Score: 13

2:39pm Wed 27 Aug 14

ben111 says...

The fact that this issue has got to this point amazes me , I expect their are children starving in this world that are probably weeping into their hands to the lack of tolerance in the communal gardens in the UK. I say to all get a life and look past the end of your drive, all selfish intolerant petty minded small people
The fact that this issue has got to this point amazes me , I expect their are children starving in this world that are probably weeping into their hands to the lack of tolerance in the communal gardens in the UK. I say to all get a life and look past the end of your drive, all selfish intolerant petty minded small people ben111
  • Score: -6

2:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

muscliffman wrote:
I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths.

There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it.

(Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)
You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?"

I wonder if that didn't happen.

As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths. There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it. (Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)[/p][/quote]You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?" I wonder if that didn't happen. As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people. JackJohnson
  • Score: 18

3:16pm Wed 27 Aug 14

i hate do gooders has returned after having account closed !! says...

And yet they will not evict those who cause a nuisance or anti social acts,we ended up having to move home because of these morons who made our lives hell and got away with it,and the housing and police did nothing !!!!! if only they had erected a gazebo then they would have been evicted !!
And yet they will not evict those who cause a nuisance or anti social acts,we ended up having to move home because of these morons who made our lives hell and got away with it,and the housing and police did nothing !!!!! if only they had erected a gazebo then they would have been evicted !! i hate do gooders has returned after having account closed !!
  • Score: 10

3:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

i hate do gooders has returned after having account closed !! wrote:
And yet they will not evict those who cause a nuisance or anti social acts,we ended up having to move home because of these morons who made our lives hell and got away with it,and the housing and police did nothing !!!!! if only they had erected a gazebo then they would have been evicted !!
They will, where they have enough evidence. It usually takes a long time to collect it and prove that eviction is the correct thing to do.

There seems to be more to this story than just a disagreement over a pop-up gazebo. Perhaps this is the final straw in a long-running series of unfortunate events?
[quote][p][bold]i hate do gooders has returned after having account closed !![/bold] wrote: And yet they will not evict those who cause a nuisance or anti social acts,we ended up having to move home because of these morons who made our lives hell and got away with it,and the housing and police did nothing !!!!! if only they had erected a gazebo then they would have been evicted !![/p][/quote]They will, where they have enough evidence. It usually takes a long time to collect it and prove that eviction is the correct thing to do. There seems to be more to this story than just a disagreement over a pop-up gazebo. Perhaps this is the final straw in a long-running series of unfortunate events? JackJohnson
  • Score: 13

3:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

mungobean wrote:
It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now!
does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ?
[quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now![/p][/quote]does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ? Bob49
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

mungobean wrote:
It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now!
err, no

that is insurance - the clue is in the word 'liable'

though that might be uncomfortable reading for the 'elf'n safety gone mad brigade'

lord knows what would happen if they looked up the words 'duty of care' and understood the implications therein
[quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now![/p][/quote]err, no that is insurance - the clue is in the word 'liable' though that might be uncomfortable reading for the 'elf'n safety gone mad brigade' lord knows what would happen if they looked up the words 'duty of care' and understood the implications therein Bob49
  • Score: -1

3:45pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

The Green eyed monster neighbour dobbed her in.

Who is the biggest loneliest sad sack there?

There's your answer.
The Green eyed monster neighbour dobbed her in. Who is the biggest loneliest sad sack there? There's your answer. BIGTONE
  • Score: -13

3:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

madras says...

Difference of opinion between those who want it (and presumably use it) and those who don't want it (intrusion / eyesore or whatever). Perhaps some sour grapes, who knows. but at the end of the day is it worth losing your home over? I think it's sad, it looks a nice place to sit and talk. Perhaps collectively they could lobby the landlord to provide a permanent shelter (OK, they will no doubt have to pay)...
Difference of opinion between those who want it (and presumably use it) and those who don't want it (intrusion / eyesore or whatever). Perhaps some sour grapes, who knows. but at the end of the day is it worth losing your home over? I think it's sad, it looks a nice place to sit and talk. Perhaps collectively they could lobby the landlord to provide a permanent shelter (OK, they will no doubt have to pay)... madras
  • Score: 3

3:57pm Wed 27 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

teri10 wrote:
How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!!
I suspect there is a lot more to it.

First rule of gazebo club...
[quote][p][bold]teri10[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!![/p][/quote]I suspect there is a lot more to it. First rule of gazebo club... PokesdownMark
  • Score: 14

3:59pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fizzy fert says...

The old grannies stay up till two and three in the morning playing old fashioned music, knitting talking about their aches and pains , running next door neighbours down they are a pain in the bum
the students that live near to them get no sleep most nights, but still have to be up early,
The pensioners have NO respect for the hard working students.
The old grannies stay up till two and three in the morning playing old fashioned music, knitting talking about their aches and pains , running next door neighbours down they are a pain in the bum the students that live near to them get no sleep most nights, but still have to be up early, The pensioners have NO respect for the hard working students. fizzy fert
  • Score: 8

4:01pm Wed 27 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

If I lived there I would buy a giant beach towel to put down. Possibly five giant beach towels joined together.
If I lived there I would buy a giant beach towel to put down. Possibly five giant beach towels joined together. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 12

4:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

jacs140@btinternet.c
om
wrote:
This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it.
As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !!
Does this mean that next summer they won't be able to have their parasols either as that's against the rules?

As an aside, if that is your real email address I suggest you remove it or your junk/spam folder is likely to be flooded.
[quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c om[/bold] wrote: This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it. As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !![/p][/quote]Does this mean that next summer they won't be able to have their parasols either as that's against the rules? As an aside, if that is your real email address I suggest you remove it or your junk/spam folder is likely to be flooded. breamoreboy
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Wed 27 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

teri10 wrote:
How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!!
A useful rule is think, when someone claims harm and you can't see it.... Is to look harder and hopefully think from their point of view.

The gazebo is a beach towel. It says "I have reserved this for me and my friends". You can't assume you can simply join someone under their gazebo, on their chairs. You cannot simply carry in your chair and sit down. You would have to seek permission. It is then no longer a communal space. How hard is that to understand?
[quote][p][bold]teri10[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!![/p][/quote]A useful rule is think, when someone claims harm and you can't see it.... Is to look harder and hopefully think from their point of view. The gazebo is a beach towel. It says "I have reserved this for me and my friends". You can't assume you can simply join someone under their gazebo, on their chairs. You cannot simply carry in your chair and sit down. You would have to seek permission. It is then no longer a communal space. How hard is that to understand? PokesdownMark
  • Score: 28

4:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

Bob49 wrote:
mungobean wrote:
It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now!
does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ?
Plenty of examples on YouTube. The small ones are easy and quick to erect. Easier with 2 people than alone. Anything bigger than 3m x 4m really needs 2 people to keep it stable while erecting it.

The cheap ones tend to be more than a little fragile. Wouldn't last more than a summer, maybe into autumn. If you want one to stay up over winter you really need a commercial grade one - and be prepared to keep it clear of snow or it will collapse.

I could do with one where I park my car (below power lines which fat-bottomed birds like to sit on - and s*it from).
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now![/p][/quote]does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ?[/p][/quote]Plenty of examples on YouTube. The small ones are easy and quick to erect. Easier with 2 people than alone. Anything bigger than 3m x 4m really needs 2 people to keep it stable while erecting it. The cheap ones tend to be more than a little fragile. Wouldn't last more than a summer, maybe into autumn. If you want one to stay up over winter you really need a commercial grade one - and be prepared to keep it clear of snow or it will collapse. I could do with one where I park my car (below power lines which fat-bottomed birds like to sit on - and s*it from). JackJohnson
  • Score: 2

4:12pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

BH-Christchurch wrote:
It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.
Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather. " Further "She is one of just two tenants who have direct access to the communal garden..." and "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo...".
[quote][p][bold]BH-Christchurch[/bold] wrote: It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.[/p][/quote]Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather. " Further "She is one of just two tenants who have direct access to the communal garden..." and "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo...". breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

4:13pm Wed 27 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

i hate do gooders has returned after having account closed !! wrote:
And yet they will not evict those who cause a nuisance or anti social acts,we ended up having to move home because of these morons who made our lives hell and got away with it,and the housing and police did nothing !!!!! if only they had erected a gazebo then they would have been evicted !!
Just to say, your username... Class! Made me chuckle.
[quote][p][bold]i hate do gooders has returned after having account closed !![/bold] wrote: And yet they will not evict those who cause a nuisance or anti social acts,we ended up having to move home because of these morons who made our lives hell and got away with it,and the housing and police did nothing !!!!! if only they had erected a gazebo then they would have been evicted !![/p][/quote]Just to say, your username... Class! Made me chuckle. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 4

4:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Dorset Logic says...

fizzy fert wrote:
It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed.
I think the thumbs down markers of this missed the point.
[quote][p][bold]fizzy fert[/bold] wrote: It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed.[/p][/quote]I think the thumbs down markers of this missed the point. Dorset Logic
  • Score: -2

4:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"pop up" ?

dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche

pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster
It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too.

Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission.
Other rightful users of that garden object.
Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles.
Tenant refuses.
Landlord takes next logical step.
I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "pop up" ? dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster[/p][/quote]It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too. Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission. Other rightful users of that garden object. Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles. Tenant refuses. Landlord takes next logical step.[/p][/quote]I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now? breamoreboy
  • Score: 3

4:25pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

AmsterdamMan wrote:
Why stop at evicting her? Why not put her against the wall and behead her? Some people are so full of petty jealousy!
Eminently sensible given the comment from Steve Hayes, BHSE chief executive “As a landlord we always need to be mindful that our actions should be both reasonable and proportionate. Mrs Bourne is aware that this matter is now in the hands of our solicitors who are highly experienced in this area of work. " Of course if she'd done something really terrible like getting into arrears with her rent it would have to be hung, drawn and quartered.
[quote][p][bold]AmsterdamMan[/bold] wrote: Why stop at evicting her? Why not put her against the wall and behead her? Some people are so full of petty jealousy![/p][/quote]Eminently sensible given the comment from Steve Hayes, BHSE chief executive “As a landlord we always need to be mindful that our actions should be both reasonable and proportionate. Mrs Bourne is aware that this matter is now in the hands of our solicitors who are highly experienced in this area of work. " Of course if she'd done something really terrible like getting into arrears with her rent it would have to be hung, drawn and quartered. breamoreboy
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

jquain wrote:
The lady is clearly in the wrong. She has broken the rules and refused to take the gazebo down. Her flat could be given to someone more deserving.

10/10 for the classic angry Echo pose in the photo though.
Where in the report does it say she has refused to take the gazebo down?
[quote][p][bold]jquain[/bold] wrote: The lady is clearly in the wrong. She has broken the rules and refused to take the gazebo down. Her flat could be given to someone more deserving. 10/10 for the classic angry Echo pose in the photo though.[/p][/quote]Where in the report does it say she has refused to take the gazebo down? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Miss not so subtle says...

What initially intrigued and impressed me is, that there's apparently a Solicitor's firm,
' who are highly experienced in this area of work'
Wow...gazebo battles are a known phenomenon and there's a specialised area of law devoted to them!
Since watching Krammer v Krammer many decades ago, I have loosely understood the principle of precedence. In this case it seems previous gazebo turf wars shall have to be considered thoroughly. Undoubtedly this specialist area of expertise commands a specialist fee. Litigation is not my realm, but I am blessed with a bunion which accurately predicts the weather and I can assure all these residents that unfortunately they'll be no need for either parasols or gazebos for the rest of 2014.
Another matter of interest the article presented for me is, whether Mrs Gazebo is actually somewhat of a Hyacinth Bucket character? She has the aura of an aspiring class -climber, a whiff of not -yet- realised ambitions,or possibly the look of someone who has fallen onto harsh times, however with indomitable spirit , a stiff upper lip and a bargain gazebo ,( one has to wonder if it is so cheap, why the need for other residents to chip in?)..she is beginning to emerge and ascend again. Mrs Gazebo shall rejoin her ranks . She shall have a pot of Earl Grey on terraces once more and a 'cuppa' with her long forgotten, easily led 'friends' shall be but a faint,slightly bitter memory...
What initially intrigued and impressed me is, that there's apparently a Solicitor's firm, ' who are highly experienced in this area of work' Wow...gazebo battles are a known phenomenon and there's a specialised area of law devoted to them! Since watching Krammer v Krammer many decades ago, I have loosely understood the principle of precedence. In this case it seems previous gazebo turf wars shall have to be considered thoroughly. Undoubtedly this specialist area of expertise commands a specialist fee. Litigation is not my realm, but I am blessed with a bunion which accurately predicts the weather and I can assure all these residents that unfortunately they'll be no need for either parasols or gazebos for the rest of 2014. Another matter of interest the article presented for me is, whether Mrs Gazebo is actually somewhat of a Hyacinth Bucket character? She has the aura of an aspiring class -climber, a whiff of not -yet- realised ambitions,or possibly the look of someone who has fallen onto harsh times, however with indomitable spirit , a stiff upper lip and a bargain gazebo ,( one has to wonder if it is so cheap, why the need for other residents to chip in?)..she is beginning to emerge and ascend again. Mrs Gazebo shall rejoin her ranks . She shall have a pot of Earl Grey on terraces once more and a 'cuppa' with her long forgotten, easily led 'friends' shall be but a faint,slightly bitter memory... Miss not so subtle
  • Score: 8

4:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"pop up" ?

dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche

pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster
It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too.

Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission.
Other rightful users of that garden object.
Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles.
Tenant refuses.
Landlord takes next logical step.
I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?
So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "pop up" ? dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster[/p][/quote]It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too. Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission. Other rightful users of that garden object. Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles. Tenant refuses. Landlord takes next logical step.[/p][/quote]I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?[/p][/quote]So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted? JackJohnson
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Wed 27 Aug 14

drJones says...

anyone think its funny that to the side of this article an advert for FlexTents: Pop Up Tents Buy Now ! lol
anyone think its funny that to the side of this article an advert for FlexTents: Pop Up Tents Buy Now ! lol drJones
  • Score: 14

4:31pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

JackJohnson wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths.

There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it.

(Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)
You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?"

I wonder if that didn't happen.

As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.
Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths. There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it. (Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)[/p][/quote]You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?" I wonder if that didn't happen. As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.[/p][/quote]Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"? breamoreboy
  • Score: -3

4:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths.

There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it.

(Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)
You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?"

I wonder if that didn't happen.

As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.
Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?
No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents".
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths. There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it. (Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)[/p][/quote]You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?" I wonder if that didn't happen. As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.[/p][/quote]Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?[/p][/quote]No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents". JackJohnson
  • Score: 6

4:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"pop up" ?

dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche

pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster
It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too.

Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission.
Other rightful users of that garden object.
Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles.
Tenant refuses.
Landlord takes next logical step.
I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?
So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted?
Where does it say that she has refused to remove the offending articles?
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "pop up" ? dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster[/p][/quote]It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too. Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission. Other rightful users of that garden object. Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles. Tenant refuses. Landlord takes next logical step.[/p][/quote]I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?[/p][/quote]So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted?[/p][/quote]Where does it say that she has refused to remove the offending articles? breamoreboy
  • Score: -5

4:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SympatheticSam says...

The fact it is still up in the photos gives a big clue as to whether she wants ti take it down or not. Hope it blows away and smashes her window. Landlord can then sue her.
The fact it is still up in the photos gives a big clue as to whether she wants ti take it down or not. Hope it blows away and smashes her window. Landlord can then sue her. SympatheticSam
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"pop up" ?

dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche

pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster
It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too.

Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission.
Other rightful users of that garden object.
Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles.
Tenant refuses.
Landlord takes next logical step.
I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?
So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted?
Where does it say that she has refused to remove the offending articles?
"it has now warned Mrs Bourne to remove both the gazebo and two garden storage boxes."

These things do not escalate overnight and I'm reasonably sure BHSE would prefer to resolve this without the expense of solicitors. They'll have given her a week or two before going down the eviction route. I can only assume, therefore, that she's decided to leave it up and hope eviction is just an empty threat. That would amount to refusal. There's an outside chance she's just not got round to taking it down, but - come on, it's a pop-up gazebo not a garden shed, It'd take half an hour to un-pop it and put it away.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "pop up" ? dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster[/p][/quote]It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too. Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission. Other rightful users of that garden object. Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles. Tenant refuses. Landlord takes next logical step.[/p][/quote]I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?[/p][/quote]So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted?[/p][/quote]Where does it say that she has refused to remove the offending articles?[/p][/quote]"it has now warned Mrs Bourne to remove both the gazebo and two garden storage boxes." These things do not escalate overnight and I'm reasonably sure BHSE would prefer to resolve this without the expense of solicitors. They'll have given her a week or two before going down the eviction route. I can only assume, therefore, that she's decided to leave it up and hope eviction is just an empty threat. That would amount to refusal. There's an outside chance she's just not got round to taking it down, but - come on, it's a pop-up gazebo not a garden shed, It'd take half an hour to un-pop it and put it away. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

5:16pm Wed 27 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

How ridiculous. Elderly people wishing to enjoy the sunshine, with common sense to protect themselves. Yet those who did not want to use this kind hearted addition to the communal garden preferred to report it. How petty neighbours can be.

We had a similar experience a few years ago. I went to all 24 neighbours to inform then that we were arranging a BBQ for. I asked for all to return a notice if they agreed or disagreed. 23 agreed, and one did not respond in any way. On the day we set up the BBQ at the end of the green away from the flats, and we set up a large gazebo for those who wished to shelter from the night air. We all, including 3 tenants who were in their 80s, enjoyed the afternoon and evening.
However, during the week I received a letter from the council housing officer telling the riot act because this one person complained that we were making noise, burnt the grass, etc etc.
We had cleaned up, there was no burn marks. Yet on getting up the morning after the complainer had emptied out her 2 bins from the compound because we had used them for some waste.
We were banned from further events by the council.
Pathetic red tape and interfering ignorant non communal neighbours.
Keep it up.
How ridiculous. Elderly people wishing to enjoy the sunshine, with common sense to protect themselves. Yet those who did not want to use this kind hearted addition to the communal garden preferred to report it. How petty neighbours can be. We had a similar experience a few years ago. I went to all 24 neighbours to inform then that we were arranging a BBQ for. I asked for all to return a notice if they agreed or disagreed. 23 agreed, and one did not respond in any way. On the day we set up the BBQ at the end of the green away from the flats, and we set up a large gazebo for those who wished to shelter from the night air. We all, including 3 tenants who were in their 80s, enjoyed the afternoon and evening. However, during the week I received a letter from the council housing officer telling the riot act because this one person complained that we were making noise, burnt the grass, etc etc. We had cleaned up, there was no burn marks. Yet on getting up the morning after the complainer had emptied out her 2 bins from the compound because we had used them for some waste. We were banned from further events by the council. Pathetic red tape and interfering ignorant non communal neighbours. Keep it up. TheDistrict
  • Score: 12

5:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

drJones wrote:
anyone think its funny that to the side of this article an advert for FlexTents: Pop Up Tents Buy Now ! lol
No. That's what targeted advertising does.

I didn't get any of it, because I use Adblock Plus, opt out of targeted advertising and block all known advertising URLs. As a result I get very little advertising.
[quote][p][bold]drJones[/bold] wrote: anyone think its funny that to the side of this article an advert for FlexTents: Pop Up Tents Buy Now ! lol[/p][/quote]No. That's what targeted advertising does. I didn't get any of it, because I use Adblock Plus, opt out of targeted advertising and block all known advertising URLs. As a result I get very little advertising. JackJohnson
  • Score: -1

5:44pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fireflier says...

She should claim she is a traveller who just happens to stop at this address. That way the Council would do absolutely SFA to get rid of her gazeebo........or anything else for that matter!!!!
She should claim she is a traveller who just happens to stop at this address. That way the Council would do absolutely SFA to get rid of her gazeebo........or anything else for that matter!!!! fireflier
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Wed 27 Aug 14

keith milton says...

tell them to go phuck themselves
tell them to go phuck themselves keith milton
  • Score: -6

6:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

davecook says...

Sadly, this would have arisen from complaints from those who were not invited to tea under the gazebo. Jealousy is behind many wars, many deaths, and many "crimes of passion". Many a politician has got elected by playing to people's jealousy in the past, plenty more will in the future. But a gazebo. That's a first as far as I know................
Sadly, this would have arisen from complaints from those who were not invited to tea under the gazebo. Jealousy is behind many wars, many deaths, and many "crimes of passion". Many a politician has got elected by playing to people's jealousy in the past, plenty more will in the future. But a gazebo. That's a first as far as I know................ davecook
  • Score: 1

6:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

This kind of scenario is common ,I was threatened with legal action because I had sky installed ,the lease holder basically has made a deal with the cable supplier and has written into the lease that sky dishes are not allowed to be connected to the building ,although sky use a system to mount the dish on breeze blocks which are them placed on the roof ( my block has a flat roof ) this is know as a temporary structure within 48 hours of the system being installed the management company where on my case after another resident complained ,needless to say I have gone for an alternative supplier than the cable supplier and still get the channels I desired ,
This kind of scenario is common ,I was threatened with legal action because I had sky installed ,the lease holder basically has made a deal with the cable supplier and has written into the lease that sky dishes are not allowed to be connected to the building ,although sky use a system to mount the dish on breeze blocks which are them placed on the roof ( my block has a flat roof ) this is know as a temporary structure within 48 hours of the system being installed the management company where on my case after another resident complained ,needless to say I have gone for an alternative supplier than the cable supplier and still get the channels I desired , alasdair1967
  • Score: -3

6:22pm Wed 27 Aug 14

mrssue says...

breamoreboy wrote:
BH-Christchurch wrote:
It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.
Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather. " Further "She is one of just two tenants who have direct access to the communal garden..." and "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo...".
agree totally, she is fortunate having direct access to the garden but that means a majority do not..she appears to be taking over the garden for her own personal use which to be fair is not great for other residents.
she should have sought permission before taking over the garden...If a fair consultation took place between everybody she would not be in this position now. She signed a tenancy agreement abiding to the clauses.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BH-Christchurch[/bold] wrote: It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.[/p][/quote]Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather. " Further "She is one of just two tenants who have direct access to the communal garden..." and "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo...".[/p][/quote]agree totally, she is fortunate having direct access to the garden but that means a majority do not..she appears to be taking over the garden for her own personal use which to be fair is not great for other residents. she should have sought permission before taking over the garden...If a fair consultation took place between everybody she would not be in this position now. She signed a tenancy agreement abiding to the clauses. mrssue
  • Score: 19

6:32pm Wed 27 Aug 14

old buffer says...

Thank goodness they've got highly experienced solicitors on the case. Perhaps if her gazebo didn't pop up so enthusiastically some compromise could be reached. Meanwhile in the Middle East and Ukraine......
Thank goodness they've got highly experienced solicitors on the case. Perhaps if her gazebo didn't pop up so enthusiastically some compromise could be reached. Meanwhile in the Middle East and Ukraine...... old buffer
  • Score: 5

6:35pm Wed 27 Aug 14

barbienightmare says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
teri10 wrote:
How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!!
A useful rule is think, when someone claims harm and you can't see it.... Is to look harder and hopefully think from their point of view.

The gazebo is a beach towel. It says "I have reserved this for me and my friends". You can't assume you can simply join someone under their gazebo, on their chairs. You cannot simply carry in your chair and sit down. You would have to seek permission. It is then no longer a communal space. How hard is that to understand?
Yes this is what I wanted to write, you have put it brilliantly in to words.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]teri10[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous this is. What harm is the gazebo doing? Whoever the people are that complained about this, really need to stop being so miserable, either join your fellow tenants & enjoy the pleasure of the garden under the gazebo in the sun (when we get any), or shut up & let others enjoy. Miserable old gits whoever they are!![/p][/quote]A useful rule is think, when someone claims harm and you can't see it.... Is to look harder and hopefully think from their point of view. The gazebo is a beach towel. It says "I have reserved this for me and my friends". You can't assume you can simply join someone under their gazebo, on their chairs. You cannot simply carry in your chair and sit down. You would have to seek permission. It is then no longer a communal space. How hard is that to understand?[/p][/quote]Yes this is what I wanted to write, you have put it brilliantly in to words. barbienightmare
  • Score: 15

6:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

GGhammy says...

jacs140@btinternet.c
om
wrote:
This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it.
As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !!
It's a gazebo, not a building, and it was put up to make the garden more sociable and useable in the hot weather; the housing association are a disgrace and a bunch of moaners and miseries and should be able to see that it is not doing any harm; why is it when people complain, the first thing authorities do is side with the complainers rather than using their own discretion and intelligence. what does the housing association prefer - the people to be stuck in and not talking to each other? remember we are talking about a temporary gazebo ! for god's sake, really, the housing association and people complaining need to get a life and take a good look at themselves, how they react to things and how miserable and intolerant they have become. and as for getting solicitors involved and "threatening" - yes, threatening eviction is beyond comprehension.
[quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c om[/bold] wrote: This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it. As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !![/p][/quote]It's a gazebo, not a building, and it was put up to make the garden more sociable and useable in the hot weather; the housing association are a disgrace and a bunch of moaners and miseries and should be able to see that it is not doing any harm; why is it when people complain, the first thing authorities do is side with the complainers rather than using their own discretion and intelligence. what does the housing association prefer - the people to be stuck in and not talking to each other? remember we are talking about a temporary gazebo ! for god's sake, really, the housing association and people complaining need to get a life and take a good look at themselves, how they react to things and how miserable and intolerant they have become. and as for getting solicitors involved and "threatening" - yes, threatening eviction is beyond comprehension. GGhammy
  • Score: -7

7:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

Bob49 wrote:
mungobean wrote:
It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now!
err, no

that is insurance - the clue is in the word 'liable'

though that might be uncomfortable reading for the 'elf'n safety gone mad brigade'

lord knows what would happen if they looked up the words 'duty of care' and understood the implications therein
I used to work for a (different) housing association and we had to request a resident removed a temporary gazebo they'd placed in a communal garden. Our insurance didn't cover anything added to the communal spaces unless it was installed by us. So this isn't a job for insurance unless the housing association buy a new very expensive insurance policy so this woman and her pals can have a freestanding gazebo in the garden.

If people weren't so quick to sue all the time and trying to find blame the situation wouldn't be like it is. Don't blame 'elf'n safety blame the greed of people these days!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now![/p][/quote]err, no that is insurance - the clue is in the word 'liable' though that might be uncomfortable reading for the 'elf'n safety gone mad brigade' lord knows what would happen if they looked up the words 'duty of care' and understood the implications therein[/p][/quote]I used to work for a (different) housing association and we had to request a resident removed a temporary gazebo they'd placed in a communal garden. Our insurance didn't cover anything added to the communal spaces unless it was installed by us. So this isn't a job for insurance unless the housing association buy a new very expensive insurance policy so this woman and her pals can have a freestanding gazebo in the garden. If people weren't so quick to sue all the time and trying to find blame the situation wouldn't be like it is. Don't blame 'elf'n safety blame the greed of people these days! rozmister
  • Score: 7

7:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

GGhammy wrote:
jacs140@btinternet.c

om
wrote:
This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it.
As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !!
It's a gazebo, not a building, and it was put up to make the garden more sociable and useable in the hot weather; the housing association are a disgrace and a bunch of moaners and miseries and should be able to see that it is not doing any harm; why is it when people complain, the first thing authorities do is side with the complainers rather than using their own discretion and intelligence. what does the housing association prefer - the people to be stuck in and not talking to each other? remember we are talking about a temporary gazebo ! for god's sake, really, the housing association and people complaining need to get a life and take a good look at themselves, how they react to things and how miserable and intolerant they have become. and as for getting solicitors involved and "threatening" - yes, threatening eviction is beyond comprehension.
Threatening eviction would be an extreme outcome if this was an isolated incident.

However, “we have received a number of complaints from residents in connection with Mrs Bourne’s additions to the communal gardens and making allegations as to Mrs Bourne’s attitude to some residents’ use of the communal facilities” indicates that it is not.

Also. SympatheticSam wrote "just realised I know Joan. She is a complete idiot. Always causing issues. She's regularly in an argument with bus drivers. Quite cringeworthy. This doesn't surprise me one bit now."

Perhaps its just the final straw?

I do feel sorry for her but it looks, to me, as she only has herself to blame. Hopefully she will see sense, take the gazebo down, have the storage boxes removed and get on with her retirement.
[quote][p][bold]GGhammy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c om[/bold] wrote: This is one of those things where your tenants have to abide by the rules and that's it. As for those people saying old people having a moan, those people have feelings too !![/p][/quote]It's a gazebo, not a building, and it was put up to make the garden more sociable and useable in the hot weather; the housing association are a disgrace and a bunch of moaners and miseries and should be able to see that it is not doing any harm; why is it when people complain, the first thing authorities do is side with the complainers rather than using their own discretion and intelligence. what does the housing association prefer - the people to be stuck in and not talking to each other? remember we are talking about a temporary gazebo ! for god's sake, really, the housing association and people complaining need to get a life and take a good look at themselves, how they react to things and how miserable and intolerant they have become. and as for getting solicitors involved and "threatening" - yes, threatening eviction is beyond comprehension.[/p][/quote]Threatening eviction would be an extreme outcome if this was an isolated incident. However, “we have received a number of complaints from residents in connection with Mrs Bourne’s additions to the communal gardens and making allegations as to Mrs Bourne’s attitude to some residents’ use of the communal facilities” indicates that it is not. Also. SympatheticSam wrote "just realised I know Joan. She is a complete idiot. Always causing issues. She's regularly in an argument with bus drivers. Quite cringeworthy. This doesn't surprise me one bit now." Perhaps its just the final straw? I do feel sorry for her but it looks, to me, as she only has herself to blame. Hopefully she will see sense, take the gazebo down, have the storage boxes removed and get on with her retirement. JackJohnson
  • Score: 14

7:18pm Wed 27 Aug 14

RM says...

Branksome snail wrote:
Its not her garden and it is an enormous gazebo. Communal gardens do come with certain rules. Perhaps the residents could all be asked if they would like somewhere to shade under elsewhere on the lawn, and then something a bit more permanent could be put up.
At the expense of the HA naturally - otherwise, if the garden is that sunny they're lacking in their duty of care by not providing protection for the residents.
[quote][p][bold]Branksome snail[/bold] wrote: Its not her garden and it is an enormous gazebo. Communal gardens do come with certain rules. Perhaps the residents could all be asked if they would like somewhere to shade under elsewhere on the lawn, and then something a bit more permanent could be put up.[/p][/quote]At the expense of the HA naturally - otherwise, if the garden is that sunny they're lacking in their duty of care by not providing protection for the residents. RM
  • Score: -5

7:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

lindalouxx says...

fizzy fert wrote:
It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed.
rubbish utter rubbish this is just being bloody minded for its sake , for goodness sake when are pensioners who have to live in sheltered housing allowed to be people instead of a commodity and be blasted by rules and regulations pensioners are people and need treating so, it really make my blood boil when these so called housing associations, think you should all be treated as if we are in care homes and have no ability to do things for ourselves, what harm can this do, complaints normally come from small minded and jealous people please please his needs to be thought out and saying she will be evicted is utter nonsense stupid and small minded, the manager needs to think and use sense and compassion and really assess this situation with intelligence not to listen to others but to use their brain thats if they have one yours linda
[quote][p][bold]fizzy fert[/bold] wrote: It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed.[/p][/quote]rubbish utter rubbish this is just being bloody minded for its sake , for goodness sake when are pensioners who have to live in sheltered housing allowed to be people instead of a commodity and be blasted by rules and regulations pensioners are people and need treating so, it really make my blood boil when these so called housing associations, think you should all be treated as if we are in care homes and have no ability to do things for ourselves, what harm can this do, complaints normally come from small minded and jealous people please please his needs to be thought out and saying she will be evicted is utter nonsense stupid and small minded, the manager needs to think and use sense and compassion and really assess this situation with intelligence not to listen to others but to use their brain thats if they have one yours linda lindalouxx
  • Score: -13

7:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

blackdog1 says...

It's a communal garden! It's not her garden to do as she wants! Take it down you silly woman,or move out and buy/rent a place with your own garden.
It's a communal garden! It's not her garden to do as she wants! Take it down you silly woman,or move out and buy/rent a place with your own garden. blackdog1
  • Score: 22

8:01pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

I'll give her a tenner for the garden storage boxes.
I'll give her a tenner for the garden storage boxes. BIGTONE
  • Score: 3

8:21pm Wed 27 Aug 14

stevobath says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
mungobean wrote:
It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now!
does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ?
Plenty of examples on YouTube. The small ones are easy and quick to erect. Easier with 2 people than alone. Anything bigger than 3m x 4m really needs 2 people to keep it stable while erecting it.

The cheap ones tend to be more than a little fragile. Wouldn't last more than a summer, maybe into autumn. If you want one to stay up over winter you really need a commercial grade one - and be prepared to keep it clear of snow or it will collapse.

I could do with one where I park my car (below power lines which fat-bottomed birds like to sit on - and s*it from).
Indeed, 'small ones' are easier to erect. You can get a hand around them easily.

Anything that needs '2 people to erect' must be a hell of a sight? A real monster! ;)
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now![/p][/quote]does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ?[/p][/quote]Plenty of examples on YouTube. The small ones are easy and quick to erect. Easier with 2 people than alone. Anything bigger than 3m x 4m really needs 2 people to keep it stable while erecting it. The cheap ones tend to be more than a little fragile. Wouldn't last more than a summer, maybe into autumn. If you want one to stay up over winter you really need a commercial grade one - and be prepared to keep it clear of snow or it will collapse. I could do with one where I park my car (below power lines which fat-bottomed birds like to sit on - and s*it from).[/p][/quote]Indeed, 'small ones' are easier to erect. You can get a hand around them easily. Anything that needs '2 people to erect' must be a hell of a sight? A real monster! ;) stevobath
  • Score: 8

9:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

mrssue wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
BH-Christchurch wrote:
It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather.please understand I had(past tence) a gazebo up for the use of myself and other tenants,It takes up a small corner of a massive garden with 3 large properties on it.I have been gardening here for over 7yrs.now its all being taken off me.I havent broken my tenancy in anyway,the new prople have just changed the rules.The garden has access gates on all sides not down in the corner were I am.The majority just dont use the place,there not interested,a few of us are.
[quote][p][bold]mrssue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BH-Christchurch[/bold] wrote: It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.[/p][/quote]Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather.please understand I had(past tence) a gazebo up for the use of myself and other tenants,It takes up a small corner of a massive garden with 3 large properties on it.I have been gardening here for over 7yrs.now its all being taken off me.I havent broken my tenancy in anyway,the new prople have just changed the rules.The garden has access gates on all sides not down in the corner were I am.The majority just dont use the place,there not interested,a few of us are. whataboutthat
  • Score: -1

9:12pm Wed 27 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

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All I said was clickbait.
? All I said was clickbait. whataboutthat
  • Score: 0

9:13pm Wed 27 Aug 14

seniorgal says...

mrssue wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
BH-Christchurch wrote:
It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather.please understand I had(past tence) a gazebo up for the use of myself and other tenants,It takes up a small corner of a massive garden with 3 large properties on it.I have been gardening here for over 7yrs.now its all being taken off me.I havent broken my tenancy in anyway,the new prople have just changed the rules.The garden has access gates on all sides not down in the corner were I am.The majority just dont use the place,there not interested,a few of us are.
[quote][p][bold]mrssue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BH-Christchurch[/bold] wrote: It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.[/p][/quote]Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather.please understand I had(past tence) a gazebo up for the use of myself and other tenants,It takes up a small corner of a massive garden with 3 large properties on it.I have been gardening here for over 7yrs.now its all being taken off me.I havent broken my tenancy in anyway,the new prople have just changed the rules.The garden has access gates on all sides not down in the corner were I am.The majority just dont use the place,there not interested,a few of us are. seniorgal
  • Score: -1

9:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

seniorgal says...

mrssue wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
BH-Christchurch wrote:
It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather.please understand I had(past tence) a gazebo up for the use of myself and other tenants,It takes up a small corner of a massive garden with 3 large properties on it.I have been gardening here for over 7yrs.now its all being taken off me.I havent broken my tenancy in anyway,the new prople have just changed the rules.The garden has access gates on all sides not down in the corner were I am.The majority just dont use the place,there not interested,a few of us are.
[quote][p][bold]mrssue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BH-Christchurch[/bold] wrote: It's not her garden to do as she wants, it's a communal garden. It's that simple, there is nothing she can do apart from remove it. It sounds like she is taking over the garden, with two extra storage boxes and her neighbours don't like it.[/p][/quote]Which of her neighbours don't like it? The report states "Joan Bourne ... bought the gazebo so she and several other tenants could enjoy the garden during the recent hot weather.please understand I had(past tence) a gazebo up for the use of myself and other tenants,It takes up a small corner of a massive garden with 3 large properties on it.I have been gardening here for over 7yrs.now its all being taken off me.I havent broken my tenancy in anyway,the new prople have just changed the rules.The garden has access gates on all sides not down in the corner were I am.The majority just dont use the place,there not interested,a few of us are. seniorgal
  • Score: -1

9:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

seniorgal says...

SympatheticSam wrote:
Just realised I know Joan. She is a complete idiot. Always causing issues. She's regularly in an argument with bus drivers. Quite cringeworthy. This doesn't surprise me one bit now.
You dont know me,and Ive never been on a bus arguing with bus drivers.you sodden liar,Is that how you make yourself popular!!!! And as for my face.If you.d had your eye taken out and then expected to do a photo trying to hide an artificial eye,you.d look strange to.Do you feel cool being personal!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SympatheticSam[/bold] wrote: Just realised I know Joan. She is a complete idiot. Always causing issues. She's regularly in an argument with bus drivers. Quite cringeworthy. This doesn't surprise me one bit now.[/p][/quote]You dont know me,and Ive never been on a bus arguing with bus drivers.you sodden liar,Is that how you make yourself popular!!!! And as for my face.If you.d had your eye taken out and then expected to do a photo trying to hide an artificial eye,you.d look strange to.Do you feel cool being personal!!!! seniorgal
  • Score: -11

9:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths.

There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it.

(Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)
You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?"

I wonder if that didn't happen.

As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.
Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?
No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents".
No I didn't miss it. Neither did I miss the bit about only two residents having direct access to the garden.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths. There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it. (Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)[/p][/quote]You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?" I wonder if that didn't happen. As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.[/p][/quote]Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?[/p][/quote]No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents".[/p][/quote]No I didn't miss it. Neither did I miss the bit about only two residents having direct access to the garden. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

9:33pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

old buffer wrote:
Thank goodness they've got highly experienced solicitors on the case. Perhaps if her gazebo didn't pop up so enthusiastically some compromise could be reached. Meanwhile in the Middle East and Ukraine......
... they're doing ice bucket challenges?
[quote][p][bold]old buffer[/bold] wrote: Thank goodness they've got highly experienced solicitors on the case. Perhaps if her gazebo didn't pop up so enthusiastically some compromise could be reached. Meanwhile in the Middle East and Ukraine......[/p][/quote]... they're doing ice bucket challenges? breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

9:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

sammmymac says...

Isn't 67 a bit young to be living in sheltered housing? She looks younger. My generation will still be having to work when we are 67!
Isn't 67 a bit young to be living in sheltered housing? She looks younger. My generation will still be having to work when we are 67! sammmymac
  • Score: 4

9:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

seniorgal says...

JackJohnson wrote:
GGhammy wrote:
I have already mentioned sillysam that hes never met me and I dont shout at drivers on the very few times I use buses.I.m never nasty to tenants at all.I have created a nice place for people to sit including spreading chairs around the grounds for everyone.There hasnt been a number of alligations against me and my attitude is always helpfull.I do loads of things for many people here.I cannot beleive that by putting my plight in the paper has caused so much animosity towards myself Never again will I turn to joe public for support,I have been friends with most people here only one or two can be a bit difficult,7yrs of happiness ruined by the new management who dont like people standing up for themselves.they change the rules and I pay the price.fine.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGhammy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I have already mentioned sillysam that hes never met me and I dont shout at drivers on the very few times I use buses.I.m never nasty to tenants at all.I have created a nice place for people to sit including spreading chairs around the grounds for everyone.There hasnt been a number of alligations against me and my attitude is always helpfull.I do loads of things for many people here.I cannot beleive that by putting my plight in the paper has caused so much animosity towards myself Never again will I turn to joe public for support,I have been friends with most people here only one or two can be a bit difficult,7yrs of happiness ruined by the new management who dont like people standing up for themselves.they change the rules and I pay the price.fine. seniorgal
  • Score: -8

10:01pm Wed 27 Aug 14

seniorgal says...

sammmymac wrote:
Isn't 67 a bit young to be living in sheltered housing? She looks younger. My generation will still be having to work when we are 67!
I,m sorry you,l have to work longer,thats government for you.But 52yrs including bringing up a family surely is enough,Its just a shame retirement has to be sullied by the powers that be
[quote][p][bold]sammmymac[/bold] wrote: Isn't 67 a bit young to be living in sheltered housing? She looks younger. My generation will still be having to work when we are 67![/p][/quote]I,m sorry you,l have to work longer,thats government for you.But 52yrs including bringing up a family surely is enough,Its just a shame retirement has to be sullied by the powers that be seniorgal
  • Score: -7

10:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SympatheticSam says...

Your attitude on here stinks so I would hate to be your neighbour. You belong in Boscum.
Your attitude on here stinks so I would hate to be your neighbour. You belong in Boscum. SympatheticSam
  • Score: 3

10:18pm Wed 27 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

Look seniorgal you live in a country where to have fun is not allowed. It is frowned upon. You are breaking the rules. Fun is something that is organised and paid for - a day out, the circus, a trip on a baloon etc. Rememeber being comfortable is a sin. What do you mean making a communal space more communal. Are you insne? What is more. if you strike out and do your own thing then you will suffer. Believe me, the Echo should not have been your first port of call. Now you have poked the bees of the Bournemout Echo columnistas and they have trashed you. Ditch the gazebo, get a couple of big parasols, do the same thing and tell the landlord to inspect whenver he wants to. He won't come out on a sunny Sunday afternoon (he's at home on his computer...er....) End of...
Look seniorgal you live in a country where to have fun is not allowed. It is frowned upon. You are breaking the rules. Fun is something that is organised and paid for - a day out, the circus, a trip on a baloon etc. Rememeber being comfortable is a sin. What do you mean making a communal space more communal. Are you insne? What is more. if you strike out and do your own thing then you will suffer. Believe me, the Echo should not have been your first port of call. Now you have poked the bees of the Bournemout Echo columnistas and they have trashed you. Ditch the gazebo, get a couple of big parasols, do the same thing and tell the landlord to inspect whenver he wants to. He won't come out on a sunny Sunday afternoon (he's at home on his computer...er....) End of... whataboutthat
  • Score: 0

12:34am Thu 28 Aug 14

poolepaul says...

lindalouxx wrote:
fizzy fert wrote:
It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed.
rubbish utter rubbish this is just being bloody minded for its sake , for goodness sake when are pensioners who have to live in sheltered housing allowed to be people instead of a commodity and be blasted by rules and regulations pensioners are people and need treating so, it really make my blood boil when these so called housing associations, think you should all be treated as if we are in care homes and have no ability to do things for ourselves, what harm can this do, complaints normally come from small minded and jealous people please please his needs to be thought out and saying she will be evicted is utter nonsense stupid and small minded, the manager needs to think and use sense and compassion and really assess this situation with intelligence not to listen to others but to use their brain thats if they have one yours linda
Wow. This must be one of the longest sentences that I have ever read.
[quote][p][bold]lindalouxx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fizzy fert[/bold] wrote: It looks very dangerous and should be taken down before some one gets killed.[/p][/quote]rubbish utter rubbish this is just being bloody minded for its sake , for goodness sake when are pensioners who have to live in sheltered housing allowed to be people instead of a commodity and be blasted by rules and regulations pensioners are people and need treating so, it really make my blood boil when these so called housing associations, think you should all be treated as if we are in care homes and have no ability to do things for ourselves, what harm can this do, complaints normally come from small minded and jealous people please please his needs to be thought out and saying she will be evicted is utter nonsense stupid and small minded, the manager needs to think and use sense and compassion and really assess this situation with intelligence not to listen to others but to use their brain thats if they have one yours linda[/p][/quote]Wow. This must be one of the longest sentences that I have ever read. poolepaul
  • Score: 5

1:13am Thu 28 Aug 14

RM says...

Well, don't imagine this publicity will have done BHSE or boss Steve Hayes any favours. Certainly if I needed sheltered accommodation either now or in the future I'd avoid them like the plague. Yes, it' s meant to be a shared garden but 3 ladies clubbed together to buy the pagoda - have the other two been threatened with eviction too? Seems like it was a good idea that went wrong - perhaps not helped by Mrs Bourne's determination but not helped either by the 'my way or no way' attitude of BHSE. Hope she finds another place to live with less whinging neighbours & a less repressive management.
Well, don't imagine this publicity will have done BHSE or boss Steve Hayes any favours. Certainly if I needed sheltered accommodation either now or in the future I'd avoid them like the plague. Yes, it' s meant to be a shared garden but 3 ladies clubbed together to buy the pagoda - have the other two been threatened with eviction too? Seems like it was a good idea that went wrong - perhaps not helped by Mrs Bourne's determination but not helped either by the 'my way or no way' attitude of BHSE. Hope she finds another place to live with less whinging neighbours & a less repressive management. RM
  • Score: 0

7:32am Thu 28 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

stevobath wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
mungobean wrote:
It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now!
does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ?
Plenty of examples on YouTube. The small ones are easy and quick to erect. Easier with 2 people than alone. Anything bigger than 3m x 4m really needs 2 people to keep it stable while erecting it.

The cheap ones tend to be more than a little fragile. Wouldn't last more than a summer, maybe into autumn. If you want one to stay up over winter you really need a commercial grade one - and be prepared to keep it clear of snow or it will collapse.

I could do with one where I park my car (below power lines which fat-bottomed birds like to sit on - and s*it from).
Indeed, 'small ones' are easier to erect. You can get a hand around them easily.

Anything that needs '2 people to erect' must be a hell of a sight? A real monster! ;)
They say size isn't important but, believe me, life is so much more fun when you have to get a group of friends in to help you with an erection...
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: It's probably more to do with some stupid health and safety thing. If it blew over and hit someone or damaged someone elses belongings the BHSE would be liable. What a crappy world we live in now![/p][/quote]does it actually pop up like one of those driveway bollards, or does it have to be assembled ?[/p][/quote]Plenty of examples on YouTube. The small ones are easy and quick to erect. Easier with 2 people than alone. Anything bigger than 3m x 4m really needs 2 people to keep it stable while erecting it. The cheap ones tend to be more than a little fragile. Wouldn't last more than a summer, maybe into autumn. If you want one to stay up over winter you really need a commercial grade one - and be prepared to keep it clear of snow or it will collapse. I could do with one where I park my car (below power lines which fat-bottomed birds like to sit on - and s*it from).[/p][/quote]Indeed, 'small ones' are easier to erect. You can get a hand around them easily. Anything that needs '2 people to erect' must be a hell of a sight? A real monster! ;)[/p][/quote]They say size isn't important but, believe me, life is so much more fun when you have to get a group of friends in to help you with an erection... JackJohnson
  • Score: 0

7:38am Thu 28 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

Is there a resident committee for these 3 BHSE properties to raise ideas or problems to the management . If not form one I have a good idea who could be chairperson.
Is there a resident committee for these 3 BHSE properties to raise ideas or problems to the management . If not form one I have a good idea who could be chairperson. Lord Spring
  • Score: 1

8:43am Thu 28 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

seniorgal wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
GGhammy wrote:
I have already mentioned sillysam that hes never met me and I dont shout at drivers on the very few times I use buses.I.m never nasty to tenants at all.I have created a nice place for people to sit including spreading chairs around the grounds for everyone.There hasnt been a number of alligations against me and my attitude is always helpfull.I do loads of things for many people here.I cannot beleive that by putting my plight in the paper has caused so much animosity towards myself Never again will I turn to joe public for support,I have been friends with most people here only one or two can be a bit difficult,7yrs of happiness ruined by the new management who dont like people standing up for themselves.they change the rules and I pay the price.fine."Putting your plight in the paper" is certainly not going to make friends and influence people where it really matters. Even if eviction was just being used as an empty threat it has, probably, sealed your fate unless you have a remarkably understanding and empathic landlord.

I suggest you start packing.
[quote][p][bold]seniorgal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGhammy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I have already mentioned sillysam that hes never met me and I dont shout at drivers on the very few times I use buses.I.m never nasty to tenants at all.I have created a nice place for people to sit including spreading chairs around the grounds for everyone.There hasnt been a number of alligations against me and my attitude is always helpfull.I do loads of things for many people here.I cannot beleive that by putting my plight in the paper has caused so much animosity towards myself Never again will I turn to joe public for support,I have been friends with most people here only one or two can be a bit difficult,7yrs of happiness ruined by the new management who dont like people standing up for themselves.they change the rules and I pay the price.fine.[/p][/quote]"Putting your plight in the paper" is certainly not going to make friends and influence people where it really matters. Even if eviction was just being used as an empty threat it has, probably, sealed your fate unless you have a remarkably understanding and empathic landlord. I suggest you start packing. JackJohnson
  • Score: 3

8:45am Thu 28 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

Sorry - quotes have messed up, somehow.

@Seniorgal

"Putting your plight in the paper" is certainly not going to make friends and influence people where it really matters. Even if eviction was just being used as an empty threat it has, probably, sealed your fate unless you have a remarkably understanding and empathic landlord.

I suggest you start packing.
Sorry - quotes have messed up, somehow. @Seniorgal "Putting your plight in the paper" is certainly not going to make friends and influence people where it really matters. Even if eviction was just being used as an empty threat it has, probably, sealed your fate unless you have a remarkably understanding and empathic landlord. I suggest you start packing. JackJohnson
  • Score: 2

9:19am Thu 28 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

I expect Joan will have to decide whether she wants round 2 with the Daily Mail? This story is so exactly the kind of story they love to wind people up with. I'd say there is zero chance they won't call.
I expect Joan will have to decide whether she wants round 2 with the Daily Mail? This story is so exactly the kind of story they love to wind people up with. I'd say there is zero chance they won't call. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 3

9:45am Thu 28 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths.

There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it.

(Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)
You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?"

I wonder if that didn't happen.

As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.
Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?
No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents".
No I didn't miss it. Neither did I miss the bit about only two residents having direct access to the garden.
Though you failed to understand the significance of 'direct'. It means, in this case, that other residents have the same right to use the communal garden but only The Girl With The Big Green Gazebo and one other tenant have access to it from their flats. The others, one assumes, must use a side gate.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths. There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it. (Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)[/p][/quote]You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?" I wonder if that didn't happen. As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.[/p][/quote]Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?[/p][/quote]No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents".[/p][/quote]No I didn't miss it. Neither did I miss the bit about only two residents having direct access to the garden.[/p][/quote]Though you failed to understand the significance of 'direct'. It means, in this case, that other residents have the same right to use the communal garden but only The Girl With The Big Green Gazebo and one other tenant have access to it from their flats. The others, one assumes, must use a side gate. JackJohnson
  • Score: 3

1:16pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

Shame she's not a gypsy, she would get away with it for much longer!
Shame she's not a gypsy, she would get away with it for much longer! Mister-G
  • Score: 4

1:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

My son erects it for me wherever I want it in the garden. Perhaps I will get a letter from the council too?
My son erects it for me wherever I want it in the garden. Perhaps I will get a letter from the council too? SelenaOverton
  • Score: -3

2:14pm Thu 28 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
I expect Joan will have to decide whether she wants round 2 with the Daily Mail? This story is so exactly the kind of story they love to wind people up with. I'd say there is zero chance they won't call.
I wouldn't think she'll shy away from getting her name in the papers. She's also been busy in the Oxford Mail over some plans to close a little-used lounge and turn it into flats.

How a story about some flats in Bournemouth ended up in the Oxford Mail is a mystery.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: I expect Joan will have to decide whether she wants round 2 with the Daily Mail? This story is so exactly the kind of story they love to wind people up with. I'd say there is zero chance they won't call.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't think she'll shy away from getting her name in the papers. She's also been busy in the Oxford Mail over some plans to close a little-used lounge and turn it into flats. How a story about some flats in Bournemouth ended up in the Oxford Mail is a mystery. JackJohnson
  • Score: 4

5:59pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SympatheticSam says...

JackJohnson wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
I expect Joan will have to decide whether she wants round 2 with the Daily Mail? This story is so exactly the kind of story they love to wind people up with. I'd say there is zero chance they won't call.
I wouldn't think she'll shy away from getting her name in the papers. She's also been busy in the Oxford Mail over some plans to close a little-used lounge and turn it into flats.

How a story about some flats in Bournemouth ended up in the Oxford Mail is a mystery.
Her true colours are coming out now. Moaning old bag.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: I expect Joan will have to decide whether she wants round 2 with the Daily Mail? This story is so exactly the kind of story they love to wind people up with. I'd say there is zero chance they won't call.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't think she'll shy away from getting her name in the papers. She's also been busy in the Oxford Mail over some plans to close a little-used lounge and turn it into flats. How a story about some flats in Bournemouth ended up in the Oxford Mail is a mystery.[/p][/quote]Her true colours are coming out now. Moaning old bag. SympatheticSam
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SympatheticSam says...

http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/11
292299.print/
http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/11 292299.print/ SympatheticSam
  • Score: 1

6:23pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Is there a resident committee for these 3 BHSE properties to raise ideas or problems to the management . If not form one I have a good idea who could be chairperson.
I believe you are thinking of me.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Is there a resident committee for these 3 BHSE properties to raise ideas or problems to the management . If not form one I have a good idea who could be chairperson.[/p][/quote]I believe you are thinking of me. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -3

7:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

I wouldn't want her putting up her gazebo in my garden thank you and I don't see why the people unfortunate enough to share that garden with her should have to put up with it either.
I wouldn't want her putting up her gazebo in my garden thank you and I don't see why the people unfortunate enough to share that garden with her should have to put up with it either. ashleycross
  • Score: 5

1:33pm Fri 29 Aug 14

seniorgal says...

JackJohnson wrote:
GGhammy wrote:
BHSE have not received a number of complaints,the gazebo hasnt been up for 3wks.I do not often use buses and I certainly dont have arguments with drivers.It seems that there a few here who think they know all about me.I have had a small end of a garden for 7yrs now with the blessing of the former BHSE management,even came down for a cuppa.The new management no longer run this place but RULE it to a lot of older peoples detroment.And the few negatine narks on here proberbly originate from that same quarter.and yes I have made spelling mistakes.its called being a senior!!!!
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGhammy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHSE have not received a number of complaints,the gazebo hasnt been up for 3wks.I do not often use buses and I certainly dont have arguments with drivers.It seems that there a few here who think they know all about me.I have had a small end of a garden for 7yrs now with the blessing of the former BHSE management,even came down for a cuppa.The new management no longer run this place but RULE it to a lot of older peoples detroment.And the few negatine narks on here proberbly originate from that same quarter.and yes I have made spelling mistakes.its called being a senior!!!! seniorgal
  • Score: -1

1:48pm Fri 29 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

seniorgal wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
GGhammy wrote:
BHSE have not received a number of complaints,the gazebo hasnt been up for 3wks.I do not often use buses and I certainly dont have arguments with drivers.It seems that there a few here who think they know all about me.I have had a small end of a garden for 7yrs now with the blessing of the former BHSE management,even came down for a cuppa.The new management no longer run this place but RULE it to a lot of older peoples detroment.And the few negatine narks on here proberbly originate from that same quarter.and yes I have made spelling mistakes.its called being a senior!!!!From what I've seen all you can do, from here on, is back down or lose your home.

If the management is making you so unhappy that losing your home won't be a great loss to you, you should consider voting with your feet. Note, though, that your vote won't count for much. It'll be an empty gesture.

If your home means more to you than your happiness you should back down.
[quote][p][bold]seniorgal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GGhammy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BHSE have not received a number of complaints,the gazebo hasnt been up for 3wks.I do not often use buses and I certainly dont have arguments with drivers.It seems that there a few here who think they know all about me.I have had a small end of a garden for 7yrs now with the blessing of the former BHSE management,even came down for a cuppa.The new management no longer run this place but RULE it to a lot of older peoples detroment.And the few negatine narks on here proberbly originate from that same quarter.and yes I have made spelling mistakes.its called being a senior!!!![/p][/quote]From what I've seen all you can do, from here on, is back down or lose your home. If the management is making you so unhappy that losing your home won't be a great loss to you, you should consider voting with your feet. Note, though, that your vote won't count for much. It'll be an empty gesture. If your home means more to you than your happiness you should back down. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

7:22pm Fri 29 Aug 14

seniorgal says...

JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"pop up" ?

dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche

pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster
It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too.

Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission.
Other rightful users of that garden object.
Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles.
Tenant refuses.
Landlord takes next logical step.
I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?
So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted?
Where does it say that she has refused to remove the offending articles?
"it has now warned Mrs Bourne to remove both the gazebo and two garden storage boxes."

These things do not escalate overnight and I'm reasonably sure BHSE would prefer to resolve this without the expense of solicitors. They'll have given her a week or two before going down the eviction route. I can only assume, therefore, that she's decided to leave it up and hope eviction is just an empty threat. That would amount to refusal. There's an outside chance she's just not got round to taking it down, but - come on, it's a pop-up gazebo not a garden shed, It'd take half an hour to un-pop it and put it away.
The gazebo hasnt been up in over 3wks,Nobody has complained in that time at all,its just more lies,The storage boxes/seats have been there for 7yrs.and I am being bullied just like a lot of other pensioners.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "pop up" ? dear me, never mind the accuracy feel the cliche pop up journalism, with the brain of a pop up toaster[/p][/quote]It is, indeed, a pop-up gazebo. The story seems accurate enough, too. Tenant places articles in communal garden without permission. Other rightful users of that garden object. Landlord asks tenant to remove offending articles. Tenant refuses. Landlord takes next logical step.[/p][/quote]I suggest before making statements like the above you should actually have read the report. Would you care to have another go, or has the report been edited between the time that you posted and now?[/p][/quote]So, which part do you think I've mis-read, or mis-interpreted?[/p][/quote]Where does it say that she has refused to remove the offending articles?[/p][/quote]"it has now warned Mrs Bourne to remove both the gazebo and two garden storage boxes." These things do not escalate overnight and I'm reasonably sure BHSE would prefer to resolve this without the expense of solicitors. They'll have given her a week or two before going down the eviction route. I can only assume, therefore, that she's decided to leave it up and hope eviction is just an empty threat. That would amount to refusal. There's an outside chance she's just not got round to taking it down, but - come on, it's a pop-up gazebo not a garden shed, It'd take half an hour to un-pop it and put it away.[/p][/quote]The gazebo hasnt been up in over 3wks,Nobody has complained in that time at all,its just more lies,The storage boxes/seats have been there for 7yrs.and I am being bullied just like a lot of other pensioners. seniorgal
  • Score: -2

7:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

JackJohnson says...

If they decide to evict you will you have the option of going to court? If so, you need to let them try to evict you, and take all your evidence to court with you. Judges/magistrates don't make people homeless without good reason. Don't gamble if you can't afford to lose, though. Don't forget that they will be taking a lot of evidence too.

What possible reason could they have for bullying you? What is the merger that is mentioned on the BHSE web site - and could that be influencing the way they're managing the flats?

They're not idiots. They're unlikely to be incompetent. That leaves a serious personality clash, or a hidden reason.
If they decide to evict you will you have the option of going to court? If so, you need to let them try to evict you, and take all your evidence to court with you. Judges/magistrates don't make people homeless without good reason. Don't gamble if you can't afford to lose, though. Don't forget that they will be taking a lot of evidence too. What possible reason could they have for bullying you? What is the merger that is mentioned on the BHSE web site - and could that be influencing the way they're managing the flats? They're not idiots. They're unlikely to be incompetent. That leaves a serious personality clash, or a hidden reason. JackJohnson
  • Score: 2

10:12pm Fri 29 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths.

There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it.

(Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)
You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?"

I wonder if that didn't happen.

As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.
Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?
No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents".
No I didn't miss it. Neither did I miss the bit about only two residents having direct access to the garden.
Though you failed to understand the significance of 'direct'. It means, in this case, that other residents have the same right to use the communal garden but only The Girl With The Big Green Gazebo and one other tenant have access to it from their flats. The others, one assumes, must use a side gate.
One rule I have is never assume anything. Can I assume that you're alright with that?

However I believe you could be right and that the animosity is the in crowd who've been invited to tea get direct access, whereas the others have to walk maybe another 20 or 30 yards.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: I am sure the one thing this now has virtually nothing to with is that Gazebo. It sounds more like an unfortunate clash of personalities, which is being very unhelpfully escalated by some self important jobsworths. There was very probably a simple and reasonably amicable neighbourly solution to the Gazebo problem, but I doubt by now if some of those involved would wish to find it. (Loving the 'pop up tents' gazebo advert alongside this article!)[/p][/quote]You may well be right. Good diplomacy and negotiating, in a case like this, usually starts with "I'm thinking about ... ... What do you think?" I wonder if that didn't happen. As we've seen with Putin's little Crimean adventure annexing a piece of territory is not a good way of making friends and influencing people.[/p][/quote]Did you miss "Three other residents who helped buy the gazebo"?[/p][/quote]No. But you obviously missed "But the BHSE said it received complaints from other residents".[/p][/quote]No I didn't miss it. Neither did I miss the bit about only two residents having direct access to the garden.[/p][/quote]Though you failed to understand the significance of 'direct'. It means, in this case, that other residents have the same right to use the communal garden but only The Girl With The Big Green Gazebo and one other tenant have access to it from their flats. The others, one assumes, must use a side gate.[/p][/quote]One rule I have is never assume anything. Can I assume that you're alright with that? However I believe you could be right and that the animosity is the in crowd who've been invited to tea get direct access, whereas the others have to walk maybe another 20 or 30 yards. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

12:43pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Dorset Logic says...

Tune in this week for,
Begonias vs Lobelia, what to to if your neighbour has a slightly untidy display and how to make your complaint.

Leylandii, how to kill your neighbours tree's while they are out at work.

How to ensure the next generation have to work longer, so you get what is deserved and owed to you.
Tune in this week for, Begonias vs Lobelia, what to to if your neighbour has a slightly untidy display and how to make your complaint. Leylandii, how to kill your neighbours tree's while they are out at work. How to ensure the next generation have to work longer, so you get what is deserved and owed to you. Dorset Logic
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Mon 1 Sep 14

JackJohnson says...

Dorset Logic wrote:
Tune in this week for,
Begonias vs Lobelia, what to to if your neighbour has a slightly untidy display and how to make your complaint.

Leylandii, how to kill your neighbours tree's while they are out at work.

How to ensure the next generation have to work longer, so you get what is deserved and owed to you.
Oh gawd - don't start. I live in fear of the people in the village who want to enter the Dorset Best Kept Village Competition. At the moment my garden has more in common with Albert Steptoe (and Son) than Percy Thrower.

I'm working on it, honest!
[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote: Tune in this week for, Begonias vs Lobelia, what to to if your neighbour has a slightly untidy display and how to make your complaint. Leylandii, how to kill your neighbours tree's while they are out at work. How to ensure the next generation have to work longer, so you get what is deserved and owed to you.[/p][/quote]Oh gawd - don't start. I live in fear of the people in the village who want to enter the Dorset Best Kept Village Competition. At the moment my garden has more in common with Albert Steptoe (and Son) than Percy Thrower. I'm working on it, honest! JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

6:52am Sat 6 Sep 14

S,Bowes says...

Hitler started with the humble gazebo before marching on Poland get an artillery piece down there now
Hitler started with the humble gazebo before marching on Poland get an artillery piece down there now S,Bowes
  • Score: 0

7:49pm Sat 6 Sep 14

JackJohnson says...

S,Bowes wrote:
Hitler started with the humble gazebo before marching on Poland get an artillery piece down there now
Forget the bierkeller putsch. The real Hitler story began with the großen grünen Pavillon putsch.
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Hitler started with the humble gazebo before marching on Poland get an artillery piece down there now[/p][/quote]Forget the bierkeller putsch. The real Hitler story began with the großen grünen Pavillon putsch. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

2:50pm Thu 11 Sep 14

martinsim34 says...

u could say having the shelter complys with government guidelines regards social and safety from the suns rays causing heat sun stroke, believe me it aint plesant.like most elderly i too have fair skin.i can go to france and get a tan no h/s stroke
u could say having the shelter complys with government guidelines regards social and safety from the suns rays causing heat sun stroke, believe me it aint plesant.like most elderly i too have fair skin.i can go to france and get a tan no h/s stroke martinsim34
  • Score: -1

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