Campaign sees drivers pulled over on the county's three major routes

Sergeant Stuart Pitman speaks to the driver of a BMW

Sergeant Stuart Pitman speaks to the driver of a BMW

First published in News

That’s the message from Dorset Police officers who this evening targeted motorists who flout the law.

Drivers speeding on the county’s three main roads – the A35, A338 and A31 – were pulled over by officers during the safety operation, with many issued with a fixed penalty notice and given points on their licence.

The ‘no excuse’ team aim to reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured on the roads.

Operations manager Brian Austin said the evening’s particular focus was on motorcyclists speeding to Poole Bike Night at the Quay.

“We have received increased complaints about speeding motorcyclists on their way there,” he said.

“We are receiving complaints in multiples.”

He said a previous initiative had resulted in five bikers being pulled over on the A31.

All had been travelling at 115 miles per hour.

“Bikes are going past houses at speed, and we must react to that,” he said.

Lead Sergeant Stuart Pitman said the initiative is about “deploying resources to communities who are suffering as the result of anti-social driving”.

“There are a small number of individuals who continue to flout traffic laws,” he added.

Among those stopped was a 37-year-old man driving a black Kia Sedona.

After being pulled over for driving at 51 miles per hour in a 40mph zone, he told officers: “It’s an automatic.

“I’m not used to driving an automatic.”

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11:43pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Minty Fresh says...

Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are. Minty Fresh
  • Score: -25

12:09am Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
Would you care to comment on this you moron "He said a previous initiative had resulted in five bikers being pulled over on the A31. All had been travelling at 115 miles per hour. " What speed would you consider dangerous on the A31, 150, 200mph?
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]Would you care to comment on this you moron "He said a previous initiative had resulted in five bikers being pulled over on the A31. All had been travelling at 115 miles per hour. " What speed would you consider dangerous on the A31, 150, 200mph? breamoreboy
  • Score: 19

12:13am Wed 27 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron. tbpoole
  • Score: 24

12:18am Wed 27 Aug 14

afcdibby says...

He said a previous initiative had resulted in five bikers being pulled over on the A31.

All had been travelling at 115 miles per hour.

Really! ! ! ! !
He said a previous initiative had resulted in five bikers being pulled over on the A31. All had been travelling at 115 miles per hour. Really! ! ! ! ! afcdibby
  • Score: -20

1:38am Wed 27 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
you don't sound too bright, perhaps you vote UKIP

stuff like this does not 'make money' otherwise the police would be doing it every day

if there has been complaints about speeding motor bikes and nothing was done, numpties like you would be on here bleating away like there was no tomorrow

if any were caight doing 115mph then a 6 months ban should be the penalty - starting next spring so as to have them miss next summers runs
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]you don't sound too bright, perhaps you vote UKIP stuff like this does not 'make money' otherwise the police would be doing it every day if there has been complaints about speeding motor bikes and nothing was done, numpties like you would be on here bleating away like there was no tomorrow if any were caight doing 115mph then a 6 months ban should be the penalty - starting next spring so as to have them miss next summers runs Bob49
  • Score: -5

2:20am Wed 27 Aug 14

davie2876 says...

I think 115mph is a good effort considering the state of dorsets roads and the gridlock we suffer due to constant roadworks etc but seriously anyone who considers this acceptable or even standard should maybe have their licences reviewed.. Just saying like
I think 115mph is a good effort considering the state of dorsets roads and the gridlock we suffer due to constant roadworks etc but seriously anyone who considers this acceptable or even standard should maybe have their licences reviewed.. Just saying like davie2876
  • Score: 8

2:22am Wed 27 Aug 14

Superuser says...

I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead
of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the
police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect
lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the
M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety.
The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive
safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and
calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety
features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the
speed limit.
If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to
be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers.
I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety. The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the speed limit. If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers. Superuser
  • Score: 107

5:49am Wed 27 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

Drivers speeding on the county’s three main roads – the A35, A338 and A31 – were pulled over by officers during the safety operation, with many issued with a fixed penalty notice and given points on their licence.
Operations manager Brian Austin said the evening’s particular focus was on motorcyclists speeding to Poole Bike Night at the Quay.
SO....
Who were they targeting?
The story tells me motorists not bikers were issued with tickets.
Contradictory I actions.
Drivers speeding on the county’s three main roads – the A35, A338 and A31 – were pulled over by officers during the safety operation, with many issued with a fixed penalty notice and given points on their licence. Operations manager Brian Austin said the evening’s particular focus was on motorcyclists speeding to Poole Bike Night at the Quay. SO.... Who were they targeting? The story tells me motorists not bikers were issued with tickets. Contradictory I actions. BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

6:57am Wed 27 Aug 14

EGHH says...

Speeding motorists are breaking the law therefore are criminals only difference they don't get a criminal record - Yet! Maybe that would slow them down if they did!
Speeding motorists are breaking the law therefore are criminals only difference they don't get a criminal record - Yet! Maybe that would slow them down if they did! EGHH
  • Score: -3

8:18am Wed 27 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen?

My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org.
uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.
Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen? My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety. dorsetspeed
  • Score: 13

8:22am Wed 27 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

Absolutely brilliant....long overdue......lets have more. It shouldnt be justone evening it should be every single day!
Absolutely brilliant....long overdue......lets have more. It shouldnt be justone evening it should be every single day! adspacebroker
  • Score: 0

8:25am Wed 27 Aug 14

davecook says...

Superuser wrote:
I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead
of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the
police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect
lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the
M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety.
The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive
safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and
calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety
features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the
speed limit.
If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to
be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers.
Fast drivers are often poor drivers as they do not allow for pedestrians who cannot run out of the way quickly enough, or people who wish to drive at the speed limit without speed merchants coming up behind them trying to force them off the road. There has to be a speed limit, and there is no point whining about it being too low. You are allowed 10% plus a couple of mph, but many people want motorway limits raised to 80 officially, which would mean an unofficial 90. That sounds ok until you look at the number of numpties who drive well over the limit whilst eating and drinking, looking at mobile phones and turning round talking or whatever. Yes, cars might have improved a bit, but people's mindsets have definitely not. Out of interest, when was the last time you saw someone doddering along the M27 on the outside lane at 40mph?
[quote][p][bold]Superuser[/bold] wrote: I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety. The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the speed limit. If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers.[/p][/quote]Fast drivers are often poor drivers as they do not allow for pedestrians who cannot run out of the way quickly enough, or people who wish to drive at the speed limit without speed merchants coming up behind them trying to force them off the road. There has to be a speed limit, and there is no point whining about it being too low. You are allowed 10% plus a couple of mph, but many people want motorway limits raised to 80 officially, which would mean an unofficial 90. That sounds ok until you look at the number of numpties who drive well over the limit whilst eating and drinking, looking at mobile phones and turning round talking or whatever. Yes, cars might have improved a bit, but people's mindsets have definitely not. Out of interest, when was the last time you saw someone doddering along the M27 on the outside lane at 40mph? davecook
  • Score: -23

8:39am Wed 27 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen?

My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org.

uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.
No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen? My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.[/p][/quote]No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of. tbpoole
  • Score: -34

8:57am Wed 27 Aug 14

Bournemouth Ohec says...

Do a spot check where a 30mph limit starts and you'd be able to pull over the majority of drivers.
Do a spot check where a 30mph limit starts and you'd be able to pull over the majority of drivers. Bournemouth Ohec
  • Score: 9

8:59am Wed 27 Aug 14

suzigirl says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
Would you care to comment on this you moron "He said a previous initiative had resulted in five bikers being pulled over on the A31. All had been travelling at 115 miles per hour. " What speed would you consider dangerous on the A31, 150, 200mph?
I would say the Police were targeting motorcyclists not motorists especially on a Tuesday night! 115 mph (still in first gear then!)
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]Would you care to comment on this you moron "He said a previous initiative had resulted in five bikers being pulled over on the A31. All had been travelling at 115 miles per hour. " What speed would you consider dangerous on the A31, 150, 200mph?[/p][/quote]I would say the Police were targeting motorcyclists not motorists especially on a Tuesday night! 115 mph (still in first gear then!) suzigirl
  • Score: 0

9:39am Wed 27 Aug 14

Teddy 1 says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Drivers speeding on the county’s three main roads – the A35, A338 and A31 – were pulled over by officers during the safety operation, with many issued with a fixed penalty notice and given points on their licence.
Operations manager Brian Austin said the evening’s particular focus was on motorcyclists speeding to Poole Bike Night at the Quay.
SO....
Who were they targeting?
The story tells me motorists not bikers were issued with tickets.
Contradictory I actions.
Fully agree....very bad use of language by the police and Mr Austin...you need some advice too '....receiving complaints in multiples' doh!

What is the message here? Personally, I just see a very tired campaign with a no excuse manager desperately trying to hold on to his job...where are the figures on accidents for this group on those roads targeted.. Police just doing business as usual, surely?

Sad as the road deaths still seem to be going up.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Drivers speeding on the county’s three main roads – the A35, A338 and A31 – were pulled over by officers during the safety operation, with many issued with a fixed penalty notice and given points on their licence. Operations manager Brian Austin said the evening’s particular focus was on motorcyclists speeding to Poole Bike Night at the Quay. SO.... Who were they targeting? The story tells me motorists not bikers were issued with tickets. Contradictory I actions.[/p][/quote]Fully agree....very bad use of language by the police and Mr Austin...you need some advice too '....receiving complaints in multiples' doh! What is the message here? Personally, I just see a very tired campaign with a no excuse manager desperately trying to hold on to his job...where are the figures on accidents for this group on those roads targeted.. Police just doing business as usual, surely? Sad as the road deaths still seem to be going up. Teddy 1
  • Score: 12

9:41am Wed 27 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen?

My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org.


uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.
No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.
He's entitled to comment whether you agree with him or not.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen? My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.[/p][/quote]No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.[/p][/quote]He's entitled to comment whether you agree with him or not. penhalereturns
  • Score: 29

9:44am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen?

My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org.


uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.
No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.
And you've had your say, now you move on.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen? My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.[/p][/quote]No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.[/p][/quote]And you've had your say, now you move on. Hessenford
  • Score: 19

10:19am Wed 27 Aug 14

Minty Fresh says...

tbpoole wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.
I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade.
Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning.
Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.[/p][/quote]I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade. Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning. Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 0

10:31am Wed 27 Aug 14

scrumpyjack says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.
I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade.
Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning.
Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible.
I love it when people use words like 'fact and 'truth' even when all evidence shows that is in fact 'incorrect' and 'lies' but still assume the higher ground.
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.[/p][/quote]I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade. Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning. Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible.[/p][/quote]I love it when people use words like 'fact and 'truth' even when all evidence shows that is in fact 'incorrect' and 'lies' but still assume the higher ground. scrumpyjack
  • Score: -7

10:32am Wed 27 Aug 14

ragj195 says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen?

My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org.


uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.
No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.
You speak for yourself no-one else.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen? My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.[/p][/quote]No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.[/p][/quote]You speak for yourself no-one else. ragj195
  • Score: 13

10:41am Wed 27 Aug 14

ian t says...

if speed kills why are there racing drivers still alive ?
if speed kills why are there racing drivers still alive ? ian t
  • Score: -8

10:54am Wed 27 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

And again no mention of actions taken against drivers following too closely! Surely a serious issue and something that will very easily turn a 'nearly' into a collision? Also very easy to detect and all too prevalent.
And again no mention of actions taken against drivers following too closely! Surely a serious issue and something that will very easily turn a 'nearly' into a collision? Also very easy to detect and all too prevalent. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 12

11:01am Wed 27 Aug 14

rayc says...

"The ‘no excuse’ team aim to reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured on the roads." I wish them good luck with that in what appears to be a hard task. The No Excuse campaign has failed to cut fatalities so what will be different about this exercise?
How many of the 2013 fatalities would have had a different outcome if this exercise had taken place previously? I wonder how many drivers will appear in front of a Magistrate for Dangerous Driving as a result of this exercise. My guess is a lot of low level offences detected with offers of a Driver Awareness Course as the preferred option.
"The ‘no excuse’ team aim to reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured on the roads." I wish them good luck with that in what appears to be a hard task. The No Excuse campaign has failed to cut fatalities so what will be different about this exercise? How many of the 2013 fatalities would have had a different outcome if this exercise had taken place previously? I wonder how many drivers will appear in front of a Magistrate for Dangerous Driving as a result of this exercise. My guess is a lot of low level offences detected with offers of a Driver Awareness Course as the preferred option. rayc
  • Score: 7

11:11am Wed 27 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

tbpoole wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.
No such thing as dedicated traffic cops any more. That went out with Panda cars.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.[/p][/quote]No such thing as dedicated traffic cops any more. That went out with Panda cars. penhalereturns
  • Score: 4

11:18am Wed 27 Aug 14

Arthur Maureen says...

THINK BIKE! I guess other road usersl have to on their behalf as they mostly seem incapable of thinking for themselves, undertaking, excess speed in residential areas, then moan when they come off.
THINK BIKE! I guess other road usersl have to on their behalf as they mostly seem incapable of thinking for themselves, undertaking, excess speed in residential areas, then moan when they come off. Arthur Maureen
  • Score: 1

11:21am Wed 27 Aug 14

Arthur Maureen says...

Superuser wrote:
I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead
of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the
police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect
lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the
M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety.
The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive
safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and
calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety
features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the
speed limit.
If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to
be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers.
Ahh, the Mondeo company man, rules the motorways..

40 mph in the right hand lane of the M27 - Suzygirl back out on her moped then?!?
[quote][p][bold]Superuser[/bold] wrote: I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety. The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the speed limit. If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers.[/p][/quote]Ahh, the Mondeo company man, rules the motorways.. 40 mph in the right hand lane of the M27 - Suzygirl back out on her moped then?!? Arthur Maureen
  • Score: 0

11:30am Wed 27 Aug 14

scrumpyjack says...

penhalereturns wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.
No such thing as dedicated traffic cops any more. That went out with Panda cars.
As well informed as ever....

http://www.dorset.po
lice.uk/default.aspx
?page=617
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.[/p][/quote]No such thing as dedicated traffic cops any more. That went out with Panda cars.[/p][/quote]As well informed as ever.... http://www.dorset.po lice.uk/default.aspx ?page=617 scrumpyjack
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

scrumpyjack says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.
I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade.
Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning.
Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible.
" DORSET Police has today announced that it is pouring more resources into its ‘no excuse’ campaign.

In doing so, it has published figures which show that the total cost of road safety for the county during the financial year of 2013/14 was £5,323,000.

That included £1,564,000 for the Driver Awareness Scheme. The course generated £2,533,000 in income from fees, which the police said had been re-invested into road safety. "

Cost to Police £5.3m. Profit from DAS £1m.


"Too much emphasis on revenue generation" - if that's the case they are very good at it.
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.[/p][/quote]I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade. Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning. Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible.[/p][/quote]" DORSET Police has today announced that it is pouring more resources into its ‘no excuse’ campaign. In doing so, it has published figures which show that the total cost of road safety for the county during the financial year of 2013/14 was £5,323,000. That included £1,564,000 for the Driver Awareness Scheme. The course generated £2,533,000 in income from fees, which the police said had been re-invested into road safety. " Cost to Police £5.3m. Profit from DAS £1m. "Too much emphasis on revenue generation" - if that's the case they are very good at it. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 0

12:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

scrumpyjack says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Money making scam, end of.
Go catch some REAL criminals you morons.
Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces.
You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh?
Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right?
Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.
They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.
I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade.
Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning.
Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible.
" DORSET Police has today announced that it is pouring more resources into its ‘no excuse’ campaign.

In doing so, it has published figures which show that the total cost of road safety for the county during the financial year of 2013/14 was £5,323,000.

That included £1,564,000 for the Driver Awareness Scheme. The course generated £2,533,000 in income from fees, which the police said had been re-invested into road safety. "

Cost to Police £5.3m. Profit from DAS £1m.


"Too much emphasis on revenue generation" - if that's the case they are very good at it.
*not very good at it
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Money making scam, end of. Go catch some REAL criminals you morons. Or better still, prosecute those nomadic law breaking filth who leave their rubbish and sh*t all over our open spaces. You can't or won't... really? ... too much trouble to do your job eh? Better to persecute the soft target motorist instead of doing your job, right? Dorset Police.... what a joke you are.[/p][/quote]They are traffic police. They patrol the roads. Moron.[/p][/quote]I love it how the truth upsets the PC brigade. Yes coppers patrol the roads, but too much emphasis is placed on revenue generation these days instead of sensible policing where someone stopped would be given a verbal warning. Ok the bikers travelling at that speed are idiots, but the coppers would just as likely stop and fine someone for doing 60mph on a dual carriageway that was designed for 70mph but where the speed limit has been deliberately reduced to 50mph to catch as many people as possible.[/p][/quote]" DORSET Police has today announced that it is pouring more resources into its ‘no excuse’ campaign. In doing so, it has published figures which show that the total cost of road safety for the county during the financial year of 2013/14 was £5,323,000. That included £1,564,000 for the Driver Awareness Scheme. The course generated £2,533,000 in income from fees, which the police said had been re-invested into road safety. " Cost to Police £5.3m. Profit from DAS £1m. "Too much emphasis on revenue generation" - if that's the case they are very good at it.[/p][/quote]*not very good at it scrumpyjack
  • Score: 3

12:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

scrumpyjack, I am led to believe that I already pay for policing through my council tax. Yes there are standard costs and budgets. But these no longer are sufficient to keep the "partnership" running and its staff employed. However, those staff (including people like Brian Austin) are fortunate enough to be able to influence the kinds of activities undertaken so that there is enough financial income for the partnership and their jobs to be sustained. This is corruption, misuse of the law for personal gain.

Incredibly, one of the things that came through from my complaint was that at some time in 2007, the course repeat interval was reduced from 3 years to 6 months. There is no record of any proper process or even who made the decision, but this would have massively increased course throughput and the job security of those who made that decision and Martyn Underhill took no interest at all in it.

And I will have no confidence in any financial figures that Dorset Police give me until they answer why they told me it needs the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people, or why they need £153,000 per year for premises for the course, questions that they have managed to dodge but still conclude there has been no financial misrepresentation!!

Yes there is no profit, but there are a lot of jobs being protected.

I would be happy to be convinced speed enforcement and courses are the way to go, but not while Dorset Police are continuing to behave like this. Full info and much more at www.dorsetspeed.org.
uk
scrumpyjack, I am led to believe that I already pay for policing through my council tax. Yes there are standard costs and budgets. But these no longer are sufficient to keep the "partnership" running and its staff employed. However, those staff (including people like Brian Austin) are fortunate enough to be able to influence the kinds of activities undertaken so that there is enough financial income for the partnership and their jobs to be sustained. This is corruption, misuse of the law for personal gain. Incredibly, one of the things that came through from my complaint was that at some time in 2007, the course repeat interval was reduced from 3 years to 6 months. There is no record of any proper process or even who made the decision, but this would have massively increased course throughput and the job security of those who made that decision and Martyn Underhill took no interest at all in it. And I will have no confidence in any financial figures that Dorset Police give me until they answer why they told me it needs the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people, or why they need £153,000 per year for premises for the course, questions that they have managed to dodge but still conclude there has been no financial misrepresentation!! Yes there is no profit, but there are a lot of jobs being protected. I would be happy to be convinced speed enforcement and courses are the way to go, but not while Dorset Police are continuing to behave like this. Full info and much more at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk dorsetspeed
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Wed 27 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

Speeding ...who cares, bore off Dorset police and go eat a donut
Speeding ...who cares, bore off Dorset police and go eat a donut gonzo123
  • Score: -2

8:57pm Wed 27 Aug 14

old buffer says...

Arthur Maureen wrote:
Superuser wrote:
I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead
of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the
police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect
lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the
M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety.
The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive
safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and
calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety
features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the
speed limit.
If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to
be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers.
Ahh, the Mondeo company man, rules the motorways..

40 mph in the right hand lane of the M27 - Suzygirl back out on her moped then?!?
Mopeds (50cc) are forbidden on motorways so Suzygirl would be breaking the law. Hope she's read her Highway Code!
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Superuser[/bold] wrote: I wish they would spend some time targeting unsafe motorists instead of wasting time booking people for exceeding the speed limit. If the police put as much effort into booking people for tailgating, incorrect lane use and doddering along at 40mph in the right hand lane of the M27, we'd all see an improvement in road safety. The same old dross the police spout about it not being possible to drive safely above a posted speed limit (a limit often set over 50 years ago and calculated for ancient vehicles with drum brakes and few safety features) is as silly as saying you cannot drive dangerously below the speed limit. If the police are genuine about wanting safer roads, they need to be targeting poor driving and not simply fast drivers.[/p][/quote]Ahh, the Mondeo company man, rules the motorways.. 40 mph in the right hand lane of the M27 - Suzygirl back out on her moped then?!?[/p][/quote]Mopeds (50cc) are forbidden on motorways so Suzygirl would be breaking the law. Hope she's read her Highway Code! old buffer
  • Score: 0

11:35pm Wed 27 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
scrumpyjack, I am led to believe that I already pay for policing through my council tax. Yes there are standard costs and budgets. But these no longer are sufficient to keep the "partnership" running and its staff employed. However, those staff (including people like Brian Austin) are fortunate enough to be able to influence the kinds of activities undertaken so that there is enough financial income for the partnership and their jobs to be sustained. This is corruption, misuse of the law for personal gain.

Incredibly, one of the things that came through from my complaint was that at some time in 2007, the course repeat interval was reduced from 3 years to 6 months. There is no record of any proper process or even who made the decision, but this would have massively increased course throughput and the job security of those who made that decision and Martyn Underhill took no interest at all in it.

And I will have no confidence in any financial figures that Dorset Police give me until they answer why they told me it needs the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people, or why they need £153,000 per year for premises for the course, questions that they have managed to dodge but still conclude there has been no financial misrepresentation!!

Yes there is no profit, but there are a lot of jobs being protected.

I would be happy to be convinced speed enforcement and courses are the way to go, but not while Dorset Police are continuing to behave like this. Full info and much more at www.dorsetspeed.org.

uk
Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth of dorsetspleen simply promoting his own website here? He's had his complaints independently investigated and he has been found to be incorrect in his allegations of police maladministration. It is only because he is a sore loser that he continues with his personal arguments. Time he moved on.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: scrumpyjack, I am led to believe that I already pay for policing through my council tax. Yes there are standard costs and budgets. But these no longer are sufficient to keep the "partnership" running and its staff employed. However, those staff (including people like Brian Austin) are fortunate enough to be able to influence the kinds of activities undertaken so that there is enough financial income for the partnership and their jobs to be sustained. This is corruption, misuse of the law for personal gain. Incredibly, one of the things that came through from my complaint was that at some time in 2007, the course repeat interval was reduced from 3 years to 6 months. There is no record of any proper process or even who made the decision, but this would have massively increased course throughput and the job security of those who made that decision and Martyn Underhill took no interest at all in it. And I will have no confidence in any financial figures that Dorset Police give me until they answer why they told me it needs the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people, or why they need £153,000 per year for premises for the course, questions that they have managed to dodge but still conclude there has been no financial misrepresentation!! Yes there is no profit, but there are a lot of jobs being protected. I would be happy to be convinced speed enforcement and courses are the way to go, but not while Dorset Police are continuing to behave like this. Full info and much more at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk[/p][/quote]Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth of dorsetspleen simply promoting his own website here? He's had his complaints independently investigated and he has been found to be incorrect in his allegations of police maladministration. It is only because he is a sore loser that he continues with his personal arguments. Time he moved on. tbpoole
  • Score: 1

11:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

ragj195 wrote:
tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen?

My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org.



uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.
No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.
You speak for yourself no-one else.
I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: Speed limits, and therefore enforcements, are an important part of road safety. Unfortunately, the £millions that flow around enforcement have perhaps inevitably over the years badly corrupted the police - many of those involved at a senior level have a direct personal interest in the money flowing from the operations they themselves select - how on earth has this situation been allowed to develop and what did anyone really think was going to happen? My recent interactions with Martyn Underhill and James Vaughan (Deputy Chief) have confirmed that things today are as bad as they have ever been. My latest overview can be seen at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk Not only have the dishonest actions of senior members of Dorset Road "Safe" been protected but there is a fundamental failure of competence and knowledge of road safety.[/p][/quote]No-one's listening, you've had your say. Move on. End of.[/p][/quote]You speak for yourself no-one else.[/p][/quote]I don't think so. tbpoole
  • Score: -2

11:53pm Wed 27 Aug 14

ragj195 says...

tbpoole wrote:
dorsetspeed wrote:
scrumpyjack, I am led to believe that I already pay for policing through my council tax. Yes there are standard costs and budgets. But these no longer are sufficient to keep the "partnership" running and its staff employed. However, those staff (including people like Brian Austin) are fortunate enough to be able to influence the kinds of activities undertaken so that there is enough financial income for the partnership and their jobs to be sustained. This is corruption, misuse of the law for personal gain.

Incredibly, one of the things that came through from my complaint was that at some time in 2007, the course repeat interval was reduced from 3 years to 6 months. There is no record of any proper process or even who made the decision, but this would have massively increased course throughput and the job security of those who made that decision and Martyn Underhill took no interest at all in it.

And I will have no confidence in any financial figures that Dorset Police give me until they answer why they told me it needs the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people, or why they need £153,000 per year for premises for the course, questions that they have managed to dodge but still conclude there has been no financial misrepresentation!!

Yes there is no profit, but there are a lot of jobs being protected.

I would be happy to be convinced speed enforcement and courses are the way to go, but not while Dorset Police are continuing to behave like this. Full info and much more at www.dorsetspeed.org.


uk
Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth of dorsetspleen simply promoting his own website here? He's had his complaints independently investigated and he has been found to be incorrect in his allegations of police maladministration. It is only because he is a sore loser that he continues with his personal arguments. Time he moved on.
He can post what the hell he wants. If you don't like it don't read it, simple.
[quote][p][bold]tbpoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: scrumpyjack, I am led to believe that I already pay for policing through my council tax. Yes there are standard costs and budgets. But these no longer are sufficient to keep the "partnership" running and its staff employed. However, those staff (including people like Brian Austin) are fortunate enough to be able to influence the kinds of activities undertaken so that there is enough financial income for the partnership and their jobs to be sustained. This is corruption, misuse of the law for personal gain. Incredibly, one of the things that came through from my complaint was that at some time in 2007, the course repeat interval was reduced from 3 years to 6 months. There is no record of any proper process or even who made the decision, but this would have massively increased course throughput and the job security of those who made that decision and Martyn Underhill took no interest at all in it. And I will have no confidence in any financial figures that Dorset Police give me until they answer why they told me it needs the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people, or why they need £153,000 per year for premises for the course, questions that they have managed to dodge but still conclude there has been no financial misrepresentation!! Yes there is no profit, but there are a lot of jobs being protected. I would be happy to be convinced speed enforcement and courses are the way to go, but not while Dorset Police are continuing to behave like this. Full info and much more at www.dorsetspeed.org. uk[/p][/quote]Is anyone else fed up to the back teeth of dorsetspleen simply promoting his own website here? He's had his complaints independently investigated and he has been found to be incorrect in his allegations of police maladministration. It is only because he is a sore loser that he continues with his personal arguments. Time he moved on.[/p][/quote]He can post what the hell he wants. If you don't like it don't read it, simple. ragj195
  • Score: -3

8:55am Thu 28 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

What are you so scared of tbpoole? As others say, if you don't like what I write, just ignore it. As I said before, I am simply seeking the honest truth, so if anyone can point out where I have got anything wrong I would be delighted to hear about it - just doesn't seem to happen. The reason I have referred to my website is that is contains the proof that the handling of the complaint amounted to serious misconduct in itself. It reached the conclusions it wanted only by a point blank refusal to consider the facts I put forward, just as you do. I even have Martyn Underhill recorded as saying "I'm just trying to shut this down"!!!

You will also see the proof of how Hampshire protected Dorset. It's all there.
What are you so scared of tbpoole? As others say, if you don't like what I write, just ignore it. As I said before, I am simply seeking the honest truth, so if anyone can point out where I have got anything wrong I would be delighted to hear about it - just doesn't seem to happen. The reason I have referred to my website is that is contains the proof that the handling of the complaint amounted to serious misconduct in itself. It reached the conclusions it wanted only by a point blank refusal to consider the facts I put forward, just as you do. I even have Martyn Underhill recorded as saying "I'm just trying to shut this down"!!! You will also see the proof of how Hampshire protected Dorset. It's all there. dorsetspeed
  • Score: -1

9:40am Thu 28 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
What are you so scared of tbpoole? As others say, if you don't like what I write, just ignore it. As I said before, I am simply seeking the honest truth, so if anyone can point out where I have got anything wrong I would be delighted to hear about it - just doesn't seem to happen. The reason I have referred to my website is that is contains the proof that the handling of the complaint amounted to serious misconduct in itself. It reached the conclusions it wanted only by a point blank refusal to consider the facts I put forward, just as you do. I even have Martyn Underhill recorded as saying "I'm just trying to shut this down"!!!

You will also see the proof of how Hampshire protected Dorset. It's all there.
If they were 'facts' then the independent investigators would have heeded them. Obviously you are miffed because you didn't get the verdict you expected. Shows that your 'facts' must be incorrect, and that I don't have to bother to point out anything wrong.......

You are correct, I don't like what you write but I can just ignore it. But please respond to the article and stop promoting your own website. That's something I can't ignore!
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: What are you so scared of tbpoole? As others say, if you don't like what I write, just ignore it. As I said before, I am simply seeking the honest truth, so if anyone can point out where I have got anything wrong I would be delighted to hear about it - just doesn't seem to happen. The reason I have referred to my website is that is contains the proof that the handling of the complaint amounted to serious misconduct in itself. It reached the conclusions it wanted only by a point blank refusal to consider the facts I put forward, just as you do. I even have Martyn Underhill recorded as saying "I'm just trying to shut this down"!!! You will also see the proof of how Hampshire protected Dorset. It's all there.[/p][/quote]If they were 'facts' then the independent investigators would have heeded them. Obviously you are miffed because you didn't get the verdict you expected. Shows that your 'facts' must be incorrect, and that I don't have to bother to point out anything wrong....... You are correct, I don't like what you write but I can just ignore it. But please respond to the article and stop promoting your own website. That's something I can't ignore! tbpoole
  • Score: 1

10:28am Thu 28 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

tbpoole, A neighboring force, indeed any force, is hardly likely to be properly independent. All forces are at this, I've obviously closely examined Dorset and I've found them out.

Facts, such as that when Colin Smith, head of "professional standards" at Hampshire (who has now suddenly "disappeared"), before he got properly into the case, saw the financial figures I was questioning (including a claim for the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people), agreed with me that they "didn't stack up", but then went on, WITHOUT answering that concern, to conclude that there was no financial misrepresentation? And that at least one of the other costs has now been confirmed as being inflated by about 300% but STILL there is no correction to the flawed conclusions of the case?

Or the fact the speed on green was a £million fraud was not denied or challenged but simply claimed to be outside of the remit of the complaint when it included misrepresentation of camera benefit (one of the complaint terms) by claiming in the press release that it was for casualty reduction at a site where the KSI count was later reluctantly announced to be ZERO?

My previous website contents has all been replaced by simply the detail of this case.

Anyway, as you are so convinced I am wrong, why are you unable to demonstrate it by pointing out even one example of anything to back up your position?
tbpoole, A neighboring force, indeed any force, is hardly likely to be properly independent. All forces are at this, I've obviously closely examined Dorset and I've found them out. Facts, such as that when Colin Smith, head of "professional standards" at Hampshire (who has now suddenly "disappeared"), before he got properly into the case, saw the financial figures I was questioning (including a claim for the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people), agreed with me that they "didn't stack up", but then went on, WITHOUT answering that concern, to conclude that there was no financial misrepresentation? And that at least one of the other costs has now been confirmed as being inflated by about 300% but STILL there is no correction to the flawed conclusions of the case? Or the fact the speed on green was a £million fraud was not denied or challenged but simply claimed to be outside of the remit of the complaint when it included misrepresentation of camera benefit (one of the complaint terms) by claiming in the press release that it was for casualty reduction at a site where the KSI count was later reluctantly announced to be ZERO? My previous website contents has all been replaced by simply the detail of this case. Anyway, as you are so convinced I am wrong, why are you unable to demonstrate it by pointing out even one example of anything to back up your position? dorsetspeed
  • Score: -1

4:51pm Thu 28 Aug 14

tbpoole says...

dorsetspeed wrote:
tbpoole, A neighboring force, indeed any force, is hardly likely to be properly independent. All forces are at this, I've obviously closely examined Dorset and I've found them out.

Facts, such as that when Colin Smith, head of "professional standards" at Hampshire (who has now suddenly "disappeared"), before he got properly into the case, saw the financial figures I was questioning (including a claim for the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people), agreed with me that they "didn't stack up", but then went on, WITHOUT answering that concern, to conclude that there was no financial misrepresentation? And that at least one of the other costs has now been confirmed as being inflated by about 300% but STILL there is no correction to the flawed conclusions of the case?

Or the fact the speed on green was a £million fraud was not denied or challenged but simply claimed to be outside of the remit of the complaint when it included misrepresentation of camera benefit (one of the complaint terms) by claiming in the press release that it was for casualty reduction at a site where the KSI count was later reluctantly announced to be ZERO?

My previous website contents has all been replaced by simply the detail of this case.

Anyway, as you are so convinced I am wrong, why are you unable to demonstrate it by pointing out even one example of anything to back up your position?
So your main defence is that it's all been a massive conspiracy by those in the 'police boys club' who are actually lying and closing ranks.

Good one, that's an approach I'd never have thought of. It's a good defence, because you can dine off that one for years and years to come and use it as an excuse to promote your website on every Echo article relating to accidents/speeding/c
ameras/no excuse etc etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]dorsetspeed[/bold] wrote: tbpoole, A neighboring force, indeed any force, is hardly likely to be properly independent. All forces are at this, I've obviously closely examined Dorset and I've found them out. Facts, such as that when Colin Smith, head of "professional standards" at Hampshire (who has now suddenly "disappeared"), before he got properly into the case, saw the financial figures I was questioning (including a claim for the equivalent of 10 staff on £52K to deliver a simple course to 40 people), agreed with me that they "didn't stack up", but then went on, WITHOUT answering that concern, to conclude that there was no financial misrepresentation? And that at least one of the other costs has now been confirmed as being inflated by about 300% but STILL there is no correction to the flawed conclusions of the case? Or the fact the speed on green was a £million fraud was not denied or challenged but simply claimed to be outside of the remit of the complaint when it included misrepresentation of camera benefit (one of the complaint terms) by claiming in the press release that it was for casualty reduction at a site where the KSI count was later reluctantly announced to be ZERO? My previous website contents has all been replaced by simply the detail of this case. Anyway, as you are so convinced I am wrong, why are you unable to demonstrate it by pointing out even one example of anything to back up your position?[/p][/quote]So your main defence is that it's all been a massive conspiracy by those in the 'police boys club' who are actually lying and closing ranks. Good one, that's an approach I'd never have thought of. It's a good defence, because you can dine off that one for years and years to come and use it as an excuse to promote your website on every Echo article relating to accidents/speeding/c ameras/no excuse etc etc etc. tbpoole
  • Score: 1

6:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

dorsetspeed says...

Defense? I'm not defending anything. I've been investigation Dorset Police and seen nothing but dishonesty and refusal to communicate, and the further it's gone the worse it's got.

I would like policing to be honest, transparent and competent, which is why I object strongly to what I have found.
Defense? I'm not defending anything. I've been investigation Dorset Police and seen nothing but dishonesty and refusal to communicate, and the further it's gone the worse it's got. I would like policing to be honest, transparent and competent, which is why I object strongly to what I have found. dorsetspeed
  • Score: -2

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