Two young men found dead in Bournemouth car parks within the space of a week

TRAGIC SCENE: Police at Richmond Gardens where the body of David Atkinson was found

David Atkinson

First published in News by

TWO young men were found dead in separate Bournemouth car parks within the space of a week.

The body of 21-year-old David Atkinson was discovered at a private car park behind the Dalkeith Arcade on the morning of Thursday, August 21.

It has since emerged a homeless man, believed to be a 27-year-old called Patrick, was found dead at the Winter Gardens car park the previous week.

Neither of the deaths are being treated as suspicious.

Describing his son as a kind and conscientious young man, David Atkinson’s father, Neil, said the family were devastated.

The father-of-four said his son, a former pupil at Winton Boys’ School, had a breakdown last month but seemed to be turning things around.

“Everything was very positive,” he said.

“He was on new medication and was seeing a new doctor. He had spoken to his girlfriend that evening and they were planning to see each other the next day.

“He was turning it around.”

The youngster, who had studied car mechanics at Bournemouth and Poole College, was last seen leaving the YMCA hostel where he was staying at around 3am on Friday morning.

He would often go and watch the sun rise from the car park at Richmond Gardens when he couldn’t sleep, Mr Atkinson said.

“We think he may have slipped but we just don’t know what happened,” he said.

Less than a week before David’s death, the body of a homeless man was discovered by a member of the public at the Winter Gardens car park at around 11am on Friday, August 15.

Anastasia Wells, founder of the homeless support group Street Light Bournemouth, said Patrick, affectionately known as Paddy, was a friendly man who was a familiar face at the group’s soup kitchen.

The 23-year-old said: “I remember the first time I met him I was feeding the homeless and he came up to us and said ‘And what’s this here then?’ “He did make us laugh. He was usually very quiet and liked to keep himself to himself,” she added.

A spokesman from the Coroner’s Office said efforts are being made to trace the man’s next of kin.

Post mortems are yet to be carried out on both bodies.

Rector sad over deaths

REVEREND Dr Ian Terry, Bournemouth Town Centre Parish Team Rector, said he was “dreadfully sorry” to hear of the two deaths.

“It’s always shocking to hear the death of anybody in these circumstances. It’s horrible to hear these things,” he said.

The reverend also praised the work being done by Bournemouth Borough Council to help homeless people in the town.

He added: “It’s very sad that despite their efforts this sort of thing still happens.”

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11:55am Wed 27 Aug 14

jacs140@btinternet.com says...

This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard.
When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!!
This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!!
This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard. When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!! This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!! jacs140@btinternet.com
  • Score: 52

12:10pm Wed 27 Aug 14

yasinac says...

jacs140@btinternet.c
om
wrote:
This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard.
When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!!
This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!!
I really hope that that is not your actual email address as your user name. Really that information shouldn't be on a public platform.
[quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c om[/bold] wrote: This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard. When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!! This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!![/p][/quote]I really hope that that is not your actual email address as your user name. Really that information shouldn't be on a public platform. yasinac
  • Score: 13

1:04pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

I did not understand any of that drivel posted by jacs140@btinternet.c

om or the comment to it? We do not know why the homeless man died and we are not sure if the other committed suicide so it is rather difficult to know what to say. Suffice to say if David was suffering from depression, the fact that he was also lving in a hostel did not help. If youngsters feel they have no real future and they suffer depression and all their dreams end up in a hostel then sometimes they see no way forward.
I did not understand any of that drivel posted by jacs140@btinternet.c om or the comment to it? We do not know why the homeless man died and we are not sure if the other committed suicide so it is rather difficult to know what to say. Suffice to say if David was suffering from depression, the fact that he was also lving in a hostel did not help. If youngsters feel they have no real future and they suffer depression and all their dreams end up in a hostel then sometimes they see no way forward. SelenaOverton
  • Score: 60

1:09pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose
....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose SelenaOverton
  • Score: 26

1:29pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose
None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him.

With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: ....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose[/p][/quote]None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him. With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace. rozmister
  • Score: 19

3:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose
None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him.

With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.
Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT?

''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: ....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose[/p][/quote]None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him. With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.[/p][/quote]Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT? ''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel SelenaOverton
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Wed 27 Aug 14

WheelieTownsend says...

And where does the truth come from behind 'The reverend also praised the work being done by Bournemouth Borough Council to help homeless people in the town.' Clearly the reverend is as blind as Bournemouth Borough Council who say there is no more than 16 homeless in Bournemouth Town Centre
And where does the truth come from behind 'The reverend also praised the work being done by Bournemouth Borough Council to help homeless people in the town.' Clearly the reverend is as blind as Bournemouth Borough Council who say there is no more than 16 homeless in Bournemouth Town Centre WheelieTownsend
  • Score: 22

3:42pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose
None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him.

With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.
Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT?

''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel
The article doesn't mention that either death was suicide and only states that one man had mental health issues so it's extremely presumptuous and offensive to assume it was the strain of not being able to make sense of life/not having a purpose that led to both deaths. If you think mental health or homelessness is that simplistic I really suggest you do a bit more research.

You may think it's drivel but I meant what I said, I've lost family members myself and it's a horrific experience to go through. Some people who comment on this site are sincere and caring, you're obviously not one of them.
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: ....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose[/p][/quote]None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him. With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.[/p][/quote]Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT? ''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel[/p][/quote]The article doesn't mention that either death was suicide and only states that one man had mental health issues so it's extremely presumptuous and offensive to assume it was the strain of not being able to make sense of life/not having a purpose that led to both deaths. If you think mental health or homelessness is that simplistic I really suggest you do a bit more research. You may think it's drivel but I meant what I said, I've lost family members myself and it's a horrific experience to go through. Some people who comment on this site are sincere and caring, you're obviously not one of them. rozmister
  • Score: 33

3:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Geldon says...

I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.
I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved. Geldon
  • Score: 18

3:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
I did not understand any of that drivel posted by jacs140@btinternet.c


om or the comment to it? We do not know why the homeless man died and we are not sure if the other committed suicide so it is rather difficult to know what to say. Suffice to say if David was suffering from depression, the fact that he was also lving in a hostel did not help. If youngsters feel they have no real future and they suffer depression and all their dreams end up in a hostel then sometimes they see no way forward.
Come the revolution, first against the wall, pop, pop, pop. Goodbye Ms/Miss/Mrs/??? Selena Overton, I very much doubt that you'll be missed with comments like that.
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: I did not understand any of that drivel posted by jacs140@btinternet.c om or the comment to it? We do not know why the homeless man died and we are not sure if the other committed suicide so it is rather difficult to know what to say. Suffice to say if David was suffering from depression, the fact that he was also lving in a hostel did not help. If youngsters feel they have no real future and they suffer depression and all their dreams end up in a hostel then sometimes they see no way forward.[/p][/quote]Come the revolution, first against the wall, pop, pop, pop. Goodbye Ms/Miss/Mrs/??? Selena Overton, I very much doubt that you'll be missed with comments like that. breamoreboy
  • Score: 9

4:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

WheelieTownsend says...

rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose
None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him.

With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.
Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT?

''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel
The article doesn't mention that either death was suicide and only states that one man had mental health issues so it's extremely presumptuous and offensive to assume it was the strain of not being able to make sense of life/not having a purpose that led to both deaths. If you think mental health or homelessness is that simplistic I really suggest you do a bit more research.

You may think it's drivel but I meant what I said, I've lost family members myself and it's a horrific experience to go through. Some people who comment on this site are sincere and caring, you're obviously not one of them.
Was ur reply meant to me about not being sincere and caring? Well ur very wrong if you think that of me ... I volunteer with the homeless in bournemouth, collect donations of clothes, quilts, blankets etc etc etc and i help feed them during a soup kitchen that is run in lower gardens!

Bournemouth Borough Council say there is no more than 16 homeless in town, well i for one know that there is anything between 50 and 100 homeless that attend a particular soup kitchen 3 times a week!
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: ....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose[/p][/quote]None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him. With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.[/p][/quote]Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT? ''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel[/p][/quote]The article doesn't mention that either death was suicide and only states that one man had mental health issues so it's extremely presumptuous and offensive to assume it was the strain of not being able to make sense of life/not having a purpose that led to both deaths. If you think mental health or homelessness is that simplistic I really suggest you do a bit more research. You may think it's drivel but I meant what I said, I've lost family members myself and it's a horrific experience to go through. Some people who comment on this site are sincere and caring, you're obviously not one of them.[/p][/quote]Was ur reply meant to me about not being sincere and caring? Well ur very wrong if you think that of me ... I volunteer with the homeless in bournemouth, collect donations of clothes, quilts, blankets etc etc etc and i help feed them during a soup kitchen that is run in lower gardens! Bournemouth Borough Council say there is no more than 16 homeless in town, well i for one know that there is anything between 50 and 100 homeless that attend a particular soup kitchen 3 times a week! WheelieTownsend
  • Score: 19

4:31pm Wed 27 Aug 14

scrumpyjack says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose
None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him.

With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.
Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT?

''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel
Some people clearly have more experience of mental health issues than the rest of us.......
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: ....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose[/p][/quote]None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him. With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.[/p][/quote]Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT? ''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel[/p][/quote]Some people clearly have more experience of mental health issues than the rest of us....... scrumpyjack
  • Score: 5

4:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Thepinkhouse says...

Sadly the man that died in the Winter Gardens was Patrick Hennessy. He was a regular beggar in my neighbourhood and it appears that someones 'charity' may have killed him. Please do not give money to beggars.
Sadly the man that died in the Winter Gardens was Patrick Hennessy. He was a regular beggar in my neighbourhood and it appears that someones 'charity' may have killed him. Please do not give money to beggars. Thepinkhouse
  • Score: 14

5:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests.
I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -18

6:46pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

WheelieTownsend wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose
None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him.

With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.
Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT?

''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel
The article doesn't mention that either death was suicide and only states that one man had mental health issues so it's extremely presumptuous and offensive to assume it was the strain of not being able to make sense of life/not having a purpose that led to both deaths. If you think mental health or homelessness is that simplistic I really suggest you do a bit more research.

You may think it's drivel but I meant what I said, I've lost family members myself and it's a horrific experience to go through. Some people who comment on this site are sincere and caring, you're obviously not one of them.
Was ur reply meant to me about not being sincere and caring? Well ur very wrong if you think that of me ... I volunteer with the homeless in bournemouth, collect donations of clothes, quilts, blankets etc etc etc and i help feed them during a soup kitchen that is run in lower gardens!

Bournemouth Borough Council say there is no more than 16 homeless in town, well i for one know that there is anything between 50 and 100 homeless that attend a particular soup kitchen 3 times a week!
My reply wasn't meant for you it was meant for Selena hence I quoted her. The world needs more caring people like you who help the homeless because the system's not getting fixed at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]WheelieTownsend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: ....and I think there are hundreds of thousands of young people in this situation. They just cannot get their head around it and accept / conform to so much nonsense, they expected the world to make more sense, to have a purpose[/p][/quote]None of us can speculate on what, if anything, caused this young man to have mental health issues. We have so little information to go on it's foolish to project our own ideas onto him. With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace.[/p][/quote]Yes, nothing like potting your head in the sand - let's play UHH I DUNNO....I WONDER WHY THE PERSON DUNNIT? ''With both men my thoughts go out to their poor families, I hope they eventually can find peace'', bla bla bla LET'S write the usual drivel[/p][/quote]The article doesn't mention that either death was suicide and only states that one man had mental health issues so it's extremely presumptuous and offensive to assume it was the strain of not being able to make sense of life/not having a purpose that led to both deaths. If you think mental health or homelessness is that simplistic I really suggest you do a bit more research. You may think it's drivel but I meant what I said, I've lost family members myself and it's a horrific experience to go through. Some people who comment on this site are sincere and caring, you're obviously not one of them.[/p][/quote]Was ur reply meant to me about not being sincere and caring? Well ur very wrong if you think that of me ... I volunteer with the homeless in bournemouth, collect donations of clothes, quilts, blankets etc etc etc and i help feed them during a soup kitchen that is run in lower gardens! Bournemouth Borough Council say there is no more than 16 homeless in town, well i for one know that there is anything between 50 and 100 homeless that attend a particular soup kitchen 3 times a week![/p][/quote]My reply wasn't meant for you it was meant for Selena hence I quoted her. The world needs more caring people like you who help the homeless because the system's not getting fixed at the moment. rozmister
  • Score: 11

6:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests.
You may mean well but your personal experience of depression is 1 in millions, we're not all the same. I suffered with depression and anxiety and your description of not being able to accept/conform and feeling I had no purpose doesn't describe my experience in the slightest. That's how I can be sure you can't make assumptions and wild suggestions based on the little information in this article, I've met many people with mental health issues over the years and there isn't a one size fits all reason.

As for a beggar being homeless because they couldn't fit into the routine drudge of conformism - you're doing it again. There are people who are homeless on the streets not because they can't 'conform' but because their family or relationship has suddenly broken down, they've been redundant or their house has been repossessed. Not everyone can stay housed despite their best efforts and we're all only a couple of pay checks from the street whether we conform or not.

Until you've walked a mile in these two lads shows I wouldn't try to summise why they had the lives they did.
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests.[/p][/quote]You may mean well but your personal experience of depression is 1 in millions, we're not all the same. I suffered with depression and anxiety and your description of not being able to accept/conform and feeling I had no purpose doesn't describe my experience in the slightest. That's how I can be sure you can't make assumptions and wild suggestions based on the little information in this article, I've met many people with mental health issues over the years and there isn't a one size fits all reason. As for a beggar being homeless because they couldn't fit into the routine drudge of conformism - you're doing it again. There are people who are homeless on the streets not because they can't 'conform' but because their family or relationship has suddenly broken down, they've been redundant or their house has been repossessed. Not everyone can stay housed despite their best efforts and we're all only a couple of pay checks from the street whether we conform or not. Until you've walked a mile in these two lads shows I wouldn't try to summise why they had the lives they did. rozmister
  • Score: 12

6:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests.
You may mean well but your personal experience of depression is 1 in millions, we're not all the same. I suffered with depression and anxiety and your description of not being able to accept/conform and feeling I had no purpose doesn't describe my experience in the slightest. That's how I can be sure you can't make assumptions and wild suggestions based on the little information in this article, I've met many people with mental health issues over the years and there isn't a one size fits all reason.

As for a beggar being homeless because they couldn't fit into the routine drudge of conformism - you're doing it again. There are people who are homeless on the streets not because they can't 'conform' but because their family or relationship has suddenly broken down, they've been redundant or their house has been repossessed. Not everyone can stay housed despite their best efforts and we're all only a couple of pay checks from the street whether we conform or not.

Until you've walked a mile in these two lads shows I wouldn't try to summise why they had the lives they did.
Shoes not shows!
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests.[/p][/quote]You may mean well but your personal experience of depression is 1 in millions, we're not all the same. I suffered with depression and anxiety and your description of not being able to accept/conform and feeling I had no purpose doesn't describe my experience in the slightest. That's how I can be sure you can't make assumptions and wild suggestions based on the little information in this article, I've met many people with mental health issues over the years and there isn't a one size fits all reason. As for a beggar being homeless because they couldn't fit into the routine drudge of conformism - you're doing it again. There are people who are homeless on the streets not because they can't 'conform' but because their family or relationship has suddenly broken down, they've been redundant or their house has been repossessed. Not everyone can stay housed despite their best efforts and we're all only a couple of pay checks from the street whether we conform or not. Until you've walked a mile in these two lads shows I wouldn't try to summise why they had the lives they did.[/p][/quote]Shoes not shows! rozmister
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests.
You may mean well but your personal experience of depression is 1 in millions, we're not all the same. I suffered with depression and anxiety and your description of not being able to accept/conform and feeling I had no purpose doesn't describe my experience in the slightest. That's how I can be sure you can't make assumptions and wild suggestions based on the little information in this article, I've met many people with mental health issues over the years and there isn't a one size fits all reason.

As for a beggar being homeless because they couldn't fit into the routine drudge of conformism - you're doing it again. There are people who are homeless on the streets not because they can't 'conform' but because their family or relationship has suddenly broken down, they've been redundant or their house has been repossessed. Not everyone can stay housed despite their best efforts and we're all only a couple of pay checks from the street whether we conform or not.

Until you've walked a mile in these two lads shows I wouldn't try to summise why they had the lives they did.
Shoes not shows!
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: I have years of personal experience of depression and am one of the fortunate recovered. It is true we do not have all the facts but I did state that. However if a young man who has had a breakdown then sits in a hostel I think we can deduce the worst. The beggar who was homeless - clearly could not fit into the routine drudge of conformism which as some nutcase here has insinuated does not mean revolution but does perhaps mean that those who have nothing positive to offer should leave Nazi options out of it. Millions of people wonder whether there is not a better way to bring out the best in all not just all be like unthinking automatons protecting vested interests.[/p][/quote]You may mean well but your personal experience of depression is 1 in millions, we're not all the same. I suffered with depression and anxiety and your description of not being able to accept/conform and feeling I had no purpose doesn't describe my experience in the slightest. That's how I can be sure you can't make assumptions and wild suggestions based on the little information in this article, I've met many people with mental health issues over the years and there isn't a one size fits all reason. As for a beggar being homeless because they couldn't fit into the routine drudge of conformism - you're doing it again. There are people who are homeless on the streets not because they can't 'conform' but because their family or relationship has suddenly broken down, they've been redundant or their house has been repossessed. Not everyone can stay housed despite their best efforts and we're all only a couple of pay checks from the street whether we conform or not. Until you've walked a mile in these two lads shows I wouldn't try to summise why they had the lives they did.[/p][/quote]Shoes not shows! rozmister
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Huey says...

All this speculation...
For all we know they saw how much it costs to park a car there for an hour and died of shock.
All this speculation... For all we know they saw how much it costs to park a car there for an hour and died of shock. Huey
  • Score: -17

8:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public.
Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts?
Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far.
Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality.
Some crack.
And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder.
Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote.
And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.
so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public. Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts? Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far. Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality. Some crack. And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder. Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote. And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -1

9:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Puddingcup says...

jacs140@btinternet.c
om
wrote:
This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard.
When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!!
This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!!
St Annes has an Acute Admissions unit and 136 room. These work together to be a kind of A&E.
Psychiatric teams also work at the main A&Es in Bournemouth and Poole hospital and people who are mentally unwell are transferred over o St Annes.
[quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c om[/bold] wrote: This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard. When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!! This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!![/p][/quote]St Annes has an Acute Admissions unit and 136 room. These work together to be a kind of A&E. Psychiatric teams also work at the main A&Es in Bournemouth and Poole hospital and people who are mentally unwell are transferred over o St Annes. Puddingcup
  • Score: 2

9:08pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Puddingcup says...

Geldon wrote:
I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.
I also knew Paddy and spent time with him in several settings.

Paddys father lives in Liverpool, I believe.

RIP Paddy, we has some giggles
[quote][p][bold]Geldon[/bold] wrote: I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.[/p][/quote]I also knew Paddy and spent time with him in several settings. Paddys father lives in Liverpool, I believe. RIP Paddy, we has some giggles Puddingcup
  • Score: 5

9:12pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Puddingcup says...

Thepinkhouse wrote:
Sadly the man that died in the Winter Gardens was Patrick Hennessy. He was a regular beggar in my neighbourhood and it appears that someones 'charity' may have killed him. Please do not give money to beggars.
I knew Paddy and this is super sad knows. He was a really lovely guy who just couldn't beat some demons.

I go to town on a weekly basis and take sandwiches, fruit, crisps, chocolate bars and a big flask of tea. You can help without giving money
[quote][p][bold]Thepinkhouse[/bold] wrote: Sadly the man that died in the Winter Gardens was Patrick Hennessy. He was a regular beggar in my neighbourhood and it appears that someones 'charity' may have killed him. Please do not give money to beggars.[/p][/quote]I knew Paddy and this is super sad knows. He was a really lovely guy who just couldn't beat some demons. I go to town on a weekly basis and take sandwiches, fruit, crisps, chocolate bars and a big flask of tea. You can help without giving money Puddingcup
  • Score: 13

10:44pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rozmister says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public.
Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts?
Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far.
Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality.
Some crack.
And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder.
Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote.
And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.
The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public. Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts? Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far. Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality. Some crack. And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder. Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote. And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.[/p][/quote]The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you? rozmister
  • Score: 2

12:17am Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

Read your posts to see who it is standing on the soap box. You seem to be a bit of a know-all type and preacher unable to understand what people write or to want to understand what they write. The moment anyone writes anything outside your comfort zone you become aggressive. Like an uneducated thug and bully. You need to grow up and get real and leave out the tripe and banal. What kind of a cocooned world do you live in Mr. Expert n everything. Perhaps you fear the what may be the truth like other dictators.
Read your posts to see who it is standing on the soap box. You seem to be a bit of a know-all type and preacher unable to understand what people write or to want to understand what they write. The moment anyone writes anything outside your comfort zone you become aggressive. Like an uneducated thug and bully. You need to grow up and get real and leave out the tripe and banal. What kind of a cocooned world do you live in Mr. Expert n everything. Perhaps you fear the what may be the truth like other dictators. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -5

12:23am Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public.
Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts?
Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far.
Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality.
Some crack.
And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder.
Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote.
And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.
The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?
Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public. Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts? Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far. Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality. Some crack. And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder. Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote. And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.[/p][/quote]The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?[/p][/quote]Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -2

12:09pm Thu 28 Aug 14

royeveleigh says...

Its so sad there are so many 'jump to conclusions' and 'uneducated knowitall' comments. Two people have died and its so sad they have had lonely deaths. I hope the coroners report shows death by natural causes for anything else would be too horrible to imagine.

Rest In Peace
Its so sad there are so many 'jump to conclusions' and 'uneducated knowitall' comments. Two people have died and its so sad they have had lonely deaths. I hope the coroners report shows death by natural causes for anything else would be too horrible to imagine. Rest In Peace royeveleigh
  • Score: 7

1:34pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

royeveleigh wrote:
Its so sad there are so many 'jump to conclusions' and 'uneducated knowitall' comments. Two people have died and its so sad they have had lonely deaths. I hope the coroners report shows death by natural causes for anything else would be too horrible to imagine.

Rest In Peace
How do you know they were lonely deaths, you seem to be jumping to conclusions? We all know it is sad. You mean having depression and living in a hostel which is hardly a home. And what if it turns out to be ''too horrible to imagine'' which is what will happen in both cases and the rest?
Some hostels kick people out in the morning. Some hostels crammed with druggies.
I wonder if coroner will be a whitewash.
[quote][p][bold]royeveleigh[/bold] wrote: Its so sad there are so many 'jump to conclusions' and 'uneducated knowitall' comments. Two people have died and its so sad they have had lonely deaths. I hope the coroners report shows death by natural causes for anything else would be too horrible to imagine. Rest In Peace[/p][/quote]How do you know they were lonely deaths, you seem to be jumping to conclusions? We all know it is sad. You mean having depression and living in a hostel which is hardly a home. And what if it turns out to be ''too horrible to imagine'' which is what will happen in both cases and the rest? Some hostels kick people out in the morning. Some hostels crammed with druggies. I wonder if coroner will be a whitewash. SelenaOverton
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

royeveleigh wrote:
Its so sad there are so many 'jump to conclusions' and 'uneducated knowitall' comments. Two people have died and its so sad they have had lonely deaths. I hope the coroners report shows death by natural causes for anything else would be too horrible to imagine.

Rest In Peace
How do you know they were lonely deaths, you seem to be jumping to conclusions? We all know it is sad. You mean having depression and living in a hostel which is hardly a home. And what if it turns out to be ''too horrible to imagine'' which is what will happen in both cases and the rest?
Some hostels kick people out in the morning. Some hostels crammed with druggies.
I wonder if coroner will be a whitewash.
[quote][p][bold]royeveleigh[/bold] wrote: Its so sad there are so many 'jump to conclusions' and 'uneducated knowitall' comments. Two people have died and its so sad they have had lonely deaths. I hope the coroners report shows death by natural causes for anything else would be too horrible to imagine. Rest In Peace[/p][/quote]How do you know they were lonely deaths, you seem to be jumping to conclusions? We all know it is sad. You mean having depression and living in a hostel which is hardly a home. And what if it turns out to be ''too horrible to imagine'' which is what will happen in both cases and the rest? Some hostels kick people out in the morning. Some hostels crammed with druggies. I wonder if coroner will be a whitewash. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -2

2:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Blossom8 says...

jacs140@btinternet.c
om
wrote:
This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard.
When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!!
This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!!
I agree an A&E department is definitely needed for people with mental health it does have a crisis team you can contact at anytime but a walk in crisis unit would be brilliant idea .
[quote][p][bold]jacs140@btinternet.c om[/bold] wrote: This is so sad to lose a loved one, people never know what's going on in here heads once depression starts. Mental Health is where people cover things behind a smile, they say they are fine but behind the smile there in great pain unknown to you. There are so many reasons for people feeling this way, I'd like to think there is help out there, but with cut back now hitting the NHS it's hard. When my granddaughter needs help from the Mental Health Team, Crisis cannot help as there I a crisis themselves, how many times have we heard this !!!!!! This Goverment needs to do more for Mental Health patients, maybe St Anne's needs an A&E department of there own so they can do more and understand people. Poole Hospital is doing a good job, But they are not trained for Mental Health Patients !!!!![/p][/quote]I agree an A&E department is definitely needed for people with mental health it does have a crisis team you can contact at anytime but a walk in crisis unit would be brilliant idea . Blossom8
  • Score: -4

2:52pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Blossom8 says...

Very sad indeed I am sure neither of these young men wanted to die. It is tragic to lose such young lives through being homeless. I can't imagine how devastated their families must be, and, also they may feel guilt that had each of their families been able to offer the two men a bed to sleep in in their homes, these two young men would still possibly be alive. All credit to people who help the homeless, without them things would be a lot worse.
Very sad indeed I am sure neither of these young men wanted to die. It is tragic to lose such young lives through being homeless. I can't imagine how devastated their families must be, and, also they may feel guilt that had each of their families been able to offer the two men a bed to sleep in in their homes, these two young men would still possibly be alive. All credit to people who help the homeless, without them things would be a lot worse. Blossom8
  • Score: 8

5:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Thepinkhouse says...

It is a tragedy that both of these young people have died. Let us hope that not one of us will be put into the situation of finding a loved one dead. RIP Patrick Joseph Hennessy
It is a tragedy that both of these young people have died. Let us hope that not one of us will be put into the situation of finding a loved one dead. RIP Patrick Joseph Hennessy Thepinkhouse
  • Score: 5

6:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

rozmister says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public.
Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts?
Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far.
Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality.
Some crack.
And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder.
Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote.
And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.
The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?
Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug.
So it was polite when you called the comment from a woman about her unwell granddaughter drivel? Or when you said bla bla drivel because I expressed my sympathies to families who'd lost their loved ones? Or when you called me uneducated thug because I pointed out that commenting like this and speculating on the story of two tragic deaths was rude and obnoxious?

Seriously, I feel for you you don't understand the concept of politeness or manners. They're really quite beneficial if you ever hope to get on in life. Just so you know they're something that well educated people have hence you're lacking ;)
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public. Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts? Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far. Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality. Some crack. And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder. Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote. And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.[/p][/quote]The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?[/p][/quote]Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug.[/p][/quote]So it was polite when you called the comment from a woman about her unwell granddaughter drivel? Or when you said bla bla drivel because I expressed my sympathies to families who'd lost their loved ones? Or when you called me uneducated thug because I pointed out that commenting like this and speculating on the story of two tragic deaths was rude and obnoxious? Seriously, I feel for you you don't understand the concept of politeness or manners. They're really quite beneficial if you ever hope to get on in life. Just so you know they're something that well educated people have hence you're lacking ;) rozmister
  • Score: 1

7:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public.
Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts?
Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far.
Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality.
Some crack.
And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder.
Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote.
And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.
The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?
Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug.
So it was polite when you called the comment from a woman about her unwell granddaughter drivel? Or when you said bla bla drivel because I expressed my sympathies to families who'd lost their loved ones? Or when you called me uneducated thug because I pointed out that commenting like this and speculating on the story of two tragic deaths was rude and obnoxious?

Seriously, I feel for you you don't understand the concept of politeness or manners. They're really quite beneficial if you ever hope to get on in life. Just so you know they're something that well educated people have hence you're lacking ;)
As usual from you - nothing new. Just the obvious, if you have nothing to contribute why not stop wasting space and time? It is you who feels they must offer advice on what people post when they have moved on from your perspective. I noticed someone else has put 1 and 1 togehter about breakdown / hostel etc -- we all know these deaths MIGHT HAVE BEEN NATURAL CAUSES - do you think you are the only person who has had this insight? You seem to overvalue the sense of your own self-importance - a trait often found in losers - you make an assumption about whether I want to move on in life but I'm already retired after a successful career -- who is so arrgant and to be making assumptions now - typical you don't do yourself as you preach! Stick to the subject and stop imparting your wisdom which is proving to be worthless, I have always found that those who keep on telling others how they should beghave are the first who should be looking in the mirror and assessing themselves what they do for others which in your case I can speculate is 0 as in zero.
If the cap fits, wear it.
You will neither like nor even comprehend what I have just written I suspect.
THE SUBJECT IS TWO PROBABLY UNNATURAL DEATHS - not what you think people should or should not be commenting - GET IT?
WAKE UP MAN AND STOP YOUR SELFISHNESS.
WAKE UP!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public. Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts? Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far. Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality. Some crack. And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder. Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote. And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.[/p][/quote]The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?[/p][/quote]Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug.[/p][/quote]So it was polite when you called the comment from a woman about her unwell granddaughter drivel? Or when you said bla bla drivel because I expressed my sympathies to families who'd lost their loved ones? Or when you called me uneducated thug because I pointed out that commenting like this and speculating on the story of two tragic deaths was rude and obnoxious? Seriously, I feel for you you don't understand the concept of politeness or manners. They're really quite beneficial if you ever hope to get on in life. Just so you know they're something that well educated people have hence you're lacking ;)[/p][/quote]As usual from you - nothing new. Just the obvious, if you have nothing to contribute why not stop wasting space and time? It is you who feels they must offer advice on what people post when they have moved on from your perspective. I noticed someone else has put 1 and 1 togehter about breakdown / hostel etc -- we all know these deaths MIGHT HAVE BEEN NATURAL CAUSES - do you think you are the only person who has had this insight? You seem to overvalue the sense of your own self-importance - a trait often found in losers - you make an assumption about whether I want to move on in life but I'm already retired after a successful career -- who is so arrgant and to be making assumptions now - typical you don't do yourself as you preach! Stick to the subject and stop imparting your wisdom which is proving to be worthless, I have always found that those who keep on telling others how they should beghave are the first who should be looking in the mirror and assessing themselves what they do for others which in your case I can speculate is 0 as in zero. If the cap fits, wear it. You will neither like nor even comprehend what I have just written I suspect. THE SUBJECT IS TWO PROBABLY UNNATURAL DEATHS - not what you think people should or should not be commenting - GET IT? WAKE UP MAN AND STOP YOUR SELFISHNESS. WAKE UP!!!!! SelenaOverton
  • Score: -3

7:29pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Geldon says...

This is neither the time nor place for people to bicker and snipe at each other. It seems to be a common occurrence in 'Echo Comments'.... where some like to take the opportunity to take a pop at other's with little regard to, or sensitivity for, the topic of the news story that they are using as a platform to express their 'opinions'. Two young men have lost their lives under very sad circumstances. For each of them to have taken their last breath and died alone in the night or early hours of the morning in a town car park, at such a young age, is beyond comprehension. It is not for anyone on a public forum to speculate the 'states of mind' or circumstances involved - when clear facts are not available. It is a time for contemplation of and gratitude for the good things and people we have in our own lives and a time to send thoughts of sympathy and love to all those affected by these terrible circumstances. Think of the families of these young men......and take a moment to be thankful it is not us having to deal with the heartache they are now going through.
This is neither the time nor place for people to bicker and snipe at each other. It seems to be a common occurrence in 'Echo Comments'.... where some like to take the opportunity to take a pop at other's with little regard to, or sensitivity for, the topic of the news story that they are using as a platform to express their 'opinions'. Two young men have lost their lives under very sad circumstances. For each of them to have taken their last breath and died alone in the night or early hours of the morning in a town car park, at such a young age, is beyond comprehension. It is not for anyone on a public forum to speculate the 'states of mind' or circumstances involved - when clear facts are not available. It is a time for contemplation of and gratitude for the good things and people we have in our own lives and a time to send thoughts of sympathy and love to all those affected by these terrible circumstances. Think of the families of these young men......and take a moment to be thankful it is not us having to deal with the heartache they are now going through. Geldon
  • Score: 4

7:42pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

Geldon wrote:
This is neither the time nor place for people to bicker and snipe at each other. It seems to be a common occurrence in 'Echo Comments'.... where some like to take the opportunity to take a pop at other's with little regard to, or sensitivity for, the topic of the news story that they are using as a platform to express their 'opinions'. Two young men have lost their lives under very sad circumstances. For each of them to have taken their last breath and died alone in the night or early hours of the morning in a town car park, at such a young age, is beyond comprehension. It is not for anyone on a public forum to speculate the 'states of mind' or circumstances involved - when clear facts are not available. It is a time for contemplation of and gratitude for the good things and people we have in our own lives and a time to send thoughts of sympathy and love to all those affected by these terrible circumstances. Think of the families of these young men......and take a moment to be thankful it is not us having to deal with the heartache they are now going through.
To some extent true. However the subject matter did lend itself to comments in general about depression / treatment / hostels / provision of help and difficulties faced by especially youth in finding a foothold in what is in many ways a primitive society. Yours is the standard cop-out type post or rather excuse for sitting on the fence because AS WE ALL KNOW we have not been given all the facts. That it is sad, of course bla bla bla who needs to post that urrr the sky is blue errr sometimes it rains errr what's on telly tonight?
The article posits a debate aside and apart from the 2 individuals concerned personally, although it does not take a genius to work out from the facts we have been given that we all probably bear responsibility for these deaths, some more directly than others.
WAKE UP!
STOP PATRONISING PEOPLE WITH YOUR DRIVEL AS WELL MAN!
WAKEUP!
[quote][p][bold]Geldon[/bold] wrote: This is neither the time nor place for people to bicker and snipe at each other. It seems to be a common occurrence in 'Echo Comments'.... where some like to take the opportunity to take a pop at other's with little regard to, or sensitivity for, the topic of the news story that they are using as a platform to express their 'opinions'. Two young men have lost their lives under very sad circumstances. For each of them to have taken their last breath and died alone in the night or early hours of the morning in a town car park, at such a young age, is beyond comprehension. It is not for anyone on a public forum to speculate the 'states of mind' or circumstances involved - when clear facts are not available. It is a time for contemplation of and gratitude for the good things and people we have in our own lives and a time to send thoughts of sympathy and love to all those affected by these terrible circumstances. Think of the families of these young men......and take a moment to be thankful it is not us having to deal with the heartache they are now going through.[/p][/quote]To some extent true. However the subject matter did lend itself to comments in general about depression / treatment / hostels / provision of help and difficulties faced by especially youth in finding a foothold in what is in many ways a primitive society. Yours is the standard cop-out type post or rather excuse for sitting on the fence because AS WE ALL KNOW we have not been given all the facts. That it is sad, of course bla bla bla who needs to post that urrr the sky is blue errr sometimes it rains errr what's on telly tonight? The article posits a debate aside and apart from the 2 individuals concerned personally, although it does not take a genius to work out from the facts we have been given that we all probably bear responsibility for these deaths, some more directly than others. WAKE UP! STOP PATRONISING PEOPLE WITH YOUR DRIVEL AS WELL MAN! WAKEUP! SelenaOverton
  • Score: -2

8:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

rozmister says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
rozmister wrote:
SelenaOverton wrote:
so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public.
Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts?
Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far.
Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality.
Some crack.
And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder.
Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote.
And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.
The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?
Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug.
So it was polite when you called the comment from a woman about her unwell granddaughter drivel? Or when you said bla bla drivel because I expressed my sympathies to families who'd lost their loved ones? Or when you called me uneducated thug because I pointed out that commenting like this and speculating on the story of two tragic deaths was rude and obnoxious?

Seriously, I feel for you you don't understand the concept of politeness or manners. They're really quite beneficial if you ever hope to get on in life. Just so you know they're something that well educated people have hence you're lacking ;)
As usual from you - nothing new. Just the obvious, if you have nothing to contribute why not stop wasting space and time? It is you who feels they must offer advice on what people post when they have moved on from your perspective. I noticed someone else has put 1 and 1 togehter about breakdown / hostel etc -- we all know these deaths MIGHT HAVE BEEN NATURAL CAUSES - do you think you are the only person who has had this insight? You seem to overvalue the sense of your own self-importance - a trait often found in losers - you make an assumption about whether I want to move on in life but I'm already retired after a successful career -- who is so arrgant and to be making assumptions now - typical you don't do yourself as you preach! Stick to the subject and stop imparting your wisdom which is proving to be worthless, I have always found that those who keep on telling others how they should beghave are the first who should be looking in the mirror and assessing themselves what they do for others which in your case I can speculate is 0 as in zero.
If the cap fits, wear it.
You will neither like nor even comprehend what I have just written I suspect.
THE SUBJECT IS TWO PROBABLY UNNATURAL DEATHS - not what you think people should or should not be commenting - GET IT?
WAKE UP MAN AND STOP YOUR SELFISHNESS.
WAKE UP!!!!!
I never made any comment about your career or where you're at in your life, please try and read and comprehend what other people say. I talked about getting on in life which is something you need to do if you're 9 or 90.

If you had something intelligent to add to this debate you wouldn't resort to spitting out insults and trying to put other people down and you'd actually address the points people made. Notice how rude and insulting you are towards everyone, that's a clear sign you have nothing of value to say. People who are actually well educated and capable of debating acknowledge what the other person says and responds instead of ranting and making personal comments.
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: so in order to stop going around in circles we need to know all the facts. However it does not matter who cares, those facts will be kept confidential. Just as the true number of 'homeless' is kept from the public. Just as it was in Rotherham. Then how can you have democracy if you don't have the facts? Either way - a young man who had had a nervous breakdown will have also had then depression and the last place he should have been was in a hostel but within a loving family caring environment to recover. It does not take a genius to work it out that far. Noone wants to admit it and they feign normality. Some crack. And given some of the jibberish written here it's no wonder. Those that top themselves are just the tip of the iceberg as the person who wrote about being 2 paycheques from the street wrote. And it is stress more than anything else that is the main cause of depression, there are other factors too of course, but so long as we don't get the facts, even anonymously, it is a case of divide and rule where anyone who makes the merest criticism of the status quo is branded a communist revolutionary out of fear of upsetting the 'I'm alright Jack crowd'.[/p][/quote]The facts can come out at the inquest but when the families haven't even had a chance to bury their loved ones yet it's pretty low to go speculating and trying to pontificate and project your own personal views and experiences onto their losses. Do you not think that this situation is bad enough for them without you viewing it as an opportunity to get on your soap box and be rude and obnoxious towards anyone who doesn't agree with you?[/p][/quote]Your posts are so banal and obvious. Try and write something pertinent - we all know it is sad, we all know more might come out at the inquest - you won't get any medals for telling people the earth rotates around the sun. You should reread your posts to see who is being rude and obnoxious. I have been polite in what I write you uneducated thug.[/p][/quote]So it was polite when you called the comment from a woman about her unwell granddaughter drivel? Or when you said bla bla drivel because I expressed my sympathies to families who'd lost their loved ones? Or when you called me uneducated thug because I pointed out that commenting like this and speculating on the story of two tragic deaths was rude and obnoxious? Seriously, I feel for you you don't understand the concept of politeness or manners. They're really quite beneficial if you ever hope to get on in life. Just so you know they're something that well educated people have hence you're lacking ;)[/p][/quote]As usual from you - nothing new. Just the obvious, if you have nothing to contribute why not stop wasting space and time? It is you who feels they must offer advice on what people post when they have moved on from your perspective. I noticed someone else has put 1 and 1 togehter about breakdown / hostel etc -- we all know these deaths MIGHT HAVE BEEN NATURAL CAUSES - do you think you are the only person who has had this insight? You seem to overvalue the sense of your own self-importance - a trait often found in losers - you make an assumption about whether I want to move on in life but I'm already retired after a successful career -- who is so arrgant and to be making assumptions now - typical you don't do yourself as you preach! Stick to the subject and stop imparting your wisdom which is proving to be worthless, I have always found that those who keep on telling others how they should beghave are the first who should be looking in the mirror and assessing themselves what they do for others which in your case I can speculate is 0 as in zero. If the cap fits, wear it. You will neither like nor even comprehend what I have just written I suspect. THE SUBJECT IS TWO PROBABLY UNNATURAL DEATHS - not what you think people should or should not be commenting - GET IT? WAKE UP MAN AND STOP YOUR SELFISHNESS. WAKE UP!!!!![/p][/quote]I never made any comment about your career or where you're at in your life, please try and read and comprehend what other people say. I talked about getting on in life which is something you need to do if you're 9 or 90. If you had something intelligent to add to this debate you wouldn't resort to spitting out insults and trying to put other people down and you'd actually address the points people made. Notice how rude and insulting you are towards everyone, that's a clear sign you have nothing of value to say. People who are actually well educated and capable of debating acknowledge what the other person says and responds instead of ranting and making personal comments. rozmister
  • Score: 4

9:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

Just as I thought bla bla bla you just cannot stop can you? Stubborn as a donkey. Waste of time.
Just as I thought bla bla bla you just cannot stop can you? Stubborn as a donkey. Waste of time. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -6

12:34am Fri 29 Aug 14

crissybee says...

There seems to be a new troll in town please don't feed it.
There seems to be a new troll in town please don't feed it. crissybee
  • Score: 7

7:11am Fri 29 Aug 14

Geldon says...

SelenaOverton wrote:
Geldon wrote:
This is neither the time nor place for people to bicker and snipe at each other. It seems to be a common occurrence in 'Echo Comments'.... where some like to take the opportunity to take a pop at other's with little regard to, or sensitivity for, the topic of the news story that they are using as a platform to express their 'opinions'. Two young men have lost their lives under very sad circumstances. For each of them to have taken their last breath and died alone in the night or early hours of the morning in a town car park, at such a young age, is beyond comprehension. It is not for anyone on a public forum to speculate the 'states of mind' or circumstances involved - when clear facts are not available. It is a time for contemplation of and gratitude for the good things and people we have in our own lives and a time to send thoughts of sympathy and love to all those affected by these terrible circumstances. Think of the families of these young men......and take a moment to be thankful it is not us having to deal with the heartache they are now going through.
To some extent true. However the subject matter did lend itself to comments in general about depression / treatment / hostels / provision of help and difficulties faced by especially youth in finding a foothold in what is in many ways a primitive society. Yours is the standard cop-out type post or rather excuse for sitting on the fence because AS WE ALL KNOW we have not been given all the facts. That it is sad, of course bla bla bla who needs to post that urrr the sky is blue errr sometimes it rains errr what's on telly tonight?
The article posits a debate aside and apart from the 2 individuals concerned personally, although it does not take a genius to work out from the facts we have been given that we all probably bear responsibility for these deaths, some more directly than others.
WAKE UP!
STOP PATRONISING PEOPLE WITH YOUR DRIVEL AS WELL MAN!
WAKEUP!
You have over 100 negative votes against your comments. Says all that needs to be said.
[quote][p][bold]SelenaOverton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geldon[/bold] wrote: This is neither the time nor place for people to bicker and snipe at each other. It seems to be a common occurrence in 'Echo Comments'.... where some like to take the opportunity to take a pop at other's with little regard to, or sensitivity for, the topic of the news story that they are using as a platform to express their 'opinions'. Two young men have lost their lives under very sad circumstances. For each of them to have taken their last breath and died alone in the night or early hours of the morning in a town car park, at such a young age, is beyond comprehension. It is not for anyone on a public forum to speculate the 'states of mind' or circumstances involved - when clear facts are not available. It is a time for contemplation of and gratitude for the good things and people we have in our own lives and a time to send thoughts of sympathy and love to all those affected by these terrible circumstances. Think of the families of these young men......and take a moment to be thankful it is not us having to deal with the heartache they are now going through.[/p][/quote]To some extent true. However the subject matter did lend itself to comments in general about depression / treatment / hostels / provision of help and difficulties faced by especially youth in finding a foothold in what is in many ways a primitive society. Yours is the standard cop-out type post or rather excuse for sitting on the fence because AS WE ALL KNOW we have not been given all the facts. That it is sad, of course bla bla bla who needs to post that urrr the sky is blue errr sometimes it rains errr what's on telly tonight? The article posits a debate aside and apart from the 2 individuals concerned personally, although it does not take a genius to work out from the facts we have been given that we all probably bear responsibility for these deaths, some more directly than others. WAKE UP! STOP PATRONISING PEOPLE WITH YOUR DRIVEL AS WELL MAN! WAKEUP![/p][/quote]You have over 100 negative votes against your comments. Says all that needs to be said. Geldon
  • Score: 2

11:46am Sat 30 Aug 14

Thepinkhouse says...

Selena, what planet are you on? These tragic deaths have nothing to do with affording a place to live. Give respect to their families
Selena, what planet are you on? These tragic deaths have nothing to do with affording a place to live. Give respect to their families Thepinkhouse
  • Score: 4

12:36pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

Thepinkhouse wrote:
Selena, what planet are you on? These tragic deaths have nothing to do with affording a place to live. Give respect to their families
I have written on numerous occasions that I agree that we do nt know all the facts, however 1. nervous breakdown 2. depression 3. living in the horror of a hostel 4. studied car mechanic 5. no mention of job therefore I speculate he was pushed over the edge and decided to end it, in a mment of despair. Let's see.
Let's see what the coroner says. Maybe we'll never know because I'm not sure if corners go into the 'background' but merely verify cause of death since if I'm right it would reveal the primitive nature of the society we live in, the cruelty of youth unemployment and reality of the homelessness in our society. Dog eat dog, sink or swim and not everyone can adjust to it.
[quote][p][bold]Thepinkhouse[/bold] wrote: Selena, what planet are you on? These tragic deaths have nothing to do with affording a place to live. Give respect to their families[/p][/quote]I have written on numerous occasions that I agree that we do nt know all the facts, however 1. nervous breakdown 2. depression 3. living in the horror of a hostel 4. studied car mechanic 5. no mention of job therefore I speculate he was pushed over the edge and decided to end it, in a mment of despair. Let's see. Let's see what the coroner says. Maybe we'll never know because I'm not sure if corners go into the 'background' but merely verify cause of death since if I'm right it would reveal the primitive nature of the society we live in, the cruelty of youth unemployment and reality of the homelessness in our society. Dog eat dog, sink or swim and not everyone can adjust to it. SelenaOverton
  • Score: -2

3:52pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Thepinkhouse says...

Once again Selena, give some respect to the families of these people. Sadly Patrick died because of his addiction, not a nervous breakdown. I hope, sincerely, that he does RIP
Once again Selena, give some respect to the families of these people. Sadly Patrick died because of his addiction, not a nervous breakdown. I hope, sincerely, that he does RIP Thepinkhouse
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Sat 30 Aug 14

SelenaOverton says...

Thepinkhouse wrote:
Once again Selena, give some respect to the families of these people. Sadly Patrick died because of his addiction, not a nervous breakdown. I hope, sincerely, that he does RIP
and the younger man? I was thinking mainly of him. Why do people think they are the only ones who think of the families? It is quite obvious you think of that horror, why do people have to write this it is so banal!
It goes without saying the RIP etc please important is to analyse why and to do something about it, they really do not need the 'my sympathy for the family' when more than likely they were trying to get help anyway and now it is too late. I have currently an issue with someone close and there is no help. And if and when what I fear could happen does happen I do not want to hear the banalities.
Does anyone know if and when we will get the corner's report?
[quote][p][bold]Thepinkhouse[/bold] wrote: Once again Selena, give some respect to the families of these people. Sadly Patrick died because of his addiction, not a nervous breakdown. I hope, sincerely, that he does RIP[/p][/quote]and the younger man? I was thinking mainly of him. Why do people think they are the only ones who think of the families? It is quite obvious you think of that horror, why do people have to write this it is so banal! It goes without saying the RIP etc please important is to analyse why and to do something about it, they really do not need the 'my sympathy for the family' when more than likely they were trying to get help anyway and now it is too late. I have currently an issue with someone close and there is no help. And if and when what I fear could happen does happen I do not want to hear the banalities. Does anyone know if and when we will get the corner's report? SelenaOverton
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10:05pm Tue 16 Sep 14

Geezer48027 says...

Geldon wrote:
I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.
hi geldon my name is shane im patricks brother we are trying to talk to anybody that knew him myself my sister and mother are coming over next thursday if you could get in contact with me i would be very gratefull my email adress is geezer48027@yahoo.co
m thanks
[quote][p][bold]Geldon[/bold] wrote: I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.[/p][/quote]hi geldon my name is shane im patricks brother we are trying to talk to anybody that knew him myself my sister and mother are coming over next thursday if you could get in contact with me i would be very gratefull my email adress is geezer48027@yahoo.co m thanks Geezer48027
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10:10pm Tue 16 Sep 14

Geezer48027 says...

Geldon wrote:
I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.
hi geldon my name is shane im patricks brother myself my mother and sister are coming to bournmouth this thursday to try and talk to anybody that might have had any dealings with him if you could get in contact with me we would be very gratefull my email is geezer48027@yahoo.co
m thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Geldon[/bold] wrote: I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.[/p][/quote]hi geldon my name is shane im patricks brother myself my mother and sister are coming to bournmouth this thursday to try and talk to anybody that might have had any dealings with him if you could get in contact with me we would be very gratefull my email is geezer48027@yahoo.co m thanks. Geezer48027
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10:17pm Tue 16 Sep 14

Geezer48027 says...

Puddingcup wrote:
Thepinkhouse wrote:
Sadly the man that died in the Winter Gardens was Patrick Hennessy. He was a regular beggar in my neighbourhood and it appears that someones 'charity' may have killed him. Please do not give money to beggars.
I knew Paddy and this is super sad knows. He was a really lovely guy who just couldn't beat some demons.

I go to town on a weekly basis and take sandwiches, fruit, crisps, chocolate bars and a big flask of tea. You can help without giving money
hi my name is shane im patricks brother myself and my family are trying to talk to anyone that knew patrick we are coming over next thursday my email is geezer48027@yahoo.co
m thanks
[quote][p][bold]Puddingcup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thepinkhouse[/bold] wrote: Sadly the man that died in the Winter Gardens was Patrick Hennessy. He was a regular beggar in my neighbourhood and it appears that someones 'charity' may have killed him. Please do not give money to beggars.[/p][/quote]I knew Paddy and this is super sad knows. He was a really lovely guy who just couldn't beat some demons. I go to town on a weekly basis and take sandwiches, fruit, crisps, chocolate bars and a big flask of tea. You can help without giving money[/p][/quote]hi my name is shane im patricks brother myself and my family are trying to talk to anyone that knew patrick we are coming over next thursday my email is geezer48027@yahoo.co m thanks Geezer48027
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10:50pm Tue 16 Sep 14

Geldon says...

Geezer48027 wrote:
Geldon wrote:
I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.
hi geldon my name is shane im patricks brother we are trying to talk to anybody that knew him myself my sister and mother are coming over next thursday if you could get in contact with me i would be very gratefull my email adress is geezer48027@yahoo.co

m thanks
Hi Shane - I have emailed you directly. Kindest regards.
[quote][p][bold]Geezer48027[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geldon[/bold] wrote: I vaguely knew Paddy. I spoke to him a couple of times around town and he was a nice chap. Very affable and friendly. He undoubtedly faced some challenges in life - and I am sorry to learn that that life has been cut so short. No age. My thoughts are with his family and I hope the authorities can locate them. RIP mate. Condolences to David's family too - sorry for your loss. Tragic for all involved.[/p][/quote]hi geldon my name is shane im patricks brother we are trying to talk to anybody that knew him myself my sister and mother are coming over next thursday if you could get in contact with me i would be very gratefull my email adress is geezer48027@yahoo.co m thanks[/p][/quote]Hi Shane - I have emailed you directly. Kindest regards. Geldon
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