‘Council misled us over number of businesses taking part in toilet scheme'

The Jubilee Road public toilets that are now shut

Richard Wilson

Councillor Marion Le Poidevin

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POOLE council is being accused of maladministration over the closure of public loos in Parkstone after traders claim they were misled about the alternative.

Borough of Poole closed the Jubilee Road public loos at the end of May and announced they would be replaced by a community scheme whereby local traders offered the use of their services, in return for a fee from Borough of Poole.

But traders are claiming they were misled about the numbers taking part in the scheme. A total of 14 premises were approached but only four took part. With the closure of Oswald Bailey just three remain – Rosina’s Cafe, Waitrose and The Victoria Cross pub.

Richard Wilson, Chairman of Ashley Road Traders’ Association, told the Echo they were now sending a written complaint of maladministration to Borough of Poole Chief Executive Andrew Flockhart.

He said. “They promised that unless six outlets were taking part they wouldn’t close the toilets. They misled us to believe that everything was ok.”

He accused the council of failing in its duty of care – particularly to provide disabled facilities, adding that the planned demolition of the toilet block must be stopped.

Ward Councillor Marion Le Poidevin said: “We were all misled. In the reports brought to the committees and council, voted on and agreed to, we were told the scheme wouldn’t go ahead without six outlets.”

But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”.

She said the figure of six participating businesses was “whilst desirable, not a fixed requirement”.

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12:43pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

What Planet is Dion on? When you're busting for a pee you don't have time to pop into every shop in the high street to find out if you can use their dunny or not. Dion, get your head out of your **** and say something useful for a change.
What Planet is Dion on? When you're busting for a pee you don't have time to pop into every shop in the high street to find out if you can use their dunny or not. Dion, get your head out of your **** and say something useful for a change. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 48

12:59pm Tue 26 Aug 14

dogsoftheworld says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
What Planet is Dion on? When you're busting for a pee you don't have time to pop into every shop in the high street to find out if you can use their dunny or not. Dion, get your head out of your **** and say something useful for a change.
Sorry mate but three loos are better than one!
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: What Planet is Dion on? When you're busting for a pee you don't have time to pop into every shop in the high street to find out if you can use their dunny or not. Dion, get your head out of your **** and say something useful for a change.[/p][/quote]Sorry mate but three loos are better than one! dogsoftheworld
  • Score: -21

1:00pm Tue 26 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Council and misled? Never! Oh, wait. I meant always. Maybe people ought to leave their offerings in the nearest hedge and claim they're a traveller?
Council and misled? Never! Oh, wait. I meant always. Maybe people ought to leave their offerings in the nearest hedge and claim they're a traveller? speedy231278
  • Score: 23

1:01pm Tue 26 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

"But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”."

Translation:

Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers.
"But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”." Translation: Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers. speedy231278
  • Score: 38

1:17pm Tue 26 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

Cllr Xena Dion is being very glib about this

"Maladministration" and "misled" are not terms people use lightly in print when talking about public bodies

Her lack of concern , and failure to properly address this matter ( PR soundbites are not acceptable but to fair is all she has brains enough to do ) , means this woman should be removed from office immediately
Cllr Xena Dion is being very glib about this "Maladministration" and "misled" are not terms people use lightly in print when talking about public bodies Her lack of concern , and failure to properly address this matter ( PR soundbites are not acceptable but to fair is all she has brains enough to do ) , means this woman should be removed from office immediately billy bumble
  • Score: 29

1:37pm Tue 26 Aug 14

rayc says...

Perhaps this is what is meant by a prosperous and sustainable Poole? Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service”. That tells you all you need to know about the capability of the Council to provide basic necessities.
Perhaps this is what is meant by a prosperous and sustainable Poole? Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service”. That tells you all you need to know about the capability of the Council to provide basic necessities. rayc
  • Score: 17

1:48pm Tue 26 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

speedy231278 wrote:
"But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”."

Translation:

Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers.
They will also make money out of fining people for peeing against a wall when all the shops are shut.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: "But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”." Translation: Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers.[/p][/quote]They will also make money out of fining people for peeing against a wall when all the shops are shut. penhalereturns
  • Score: 5

2:03pm Tue 26 Aug 14

rayc says...

How much are Rosina’s Cafe, Waitrose and the Victoria Cross pub being paid to make their facilities available to the public?
How much are Rosina’s Cafe, Waitrose and the Victoria Cross pub being paid to make their facilities available to the public? rayc
  • Score: 8

2:10pm Tue 26 Aug 14

fizzy fert says...

burgerboy wrote:
Quick enough to supply portaloos for the travellers but when it come to the rate payers or Poole the council just cr*p on us yet again (pun intended).
Its a pan not a pun
you know it is.
[quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: Quick enough to supply portaloos for the travellers but when it come to the rate payers or Poole the council just cr*p on us yet again (pun intended).[/p][/quote]Its a pan not a pun you know it is. fizzy fert
  • Score: -19

2:13pm Tue 26 Aug 14

rich53 says...

Perhaps it might be a good idea to pop into the civic centre for a pee when your passing and see if we are allowed to use the loo's
Perhaps it might be a good idea to pop into the civic centre for a pee when your passing and see if we are allowed to use the loo's rich53
  • Score: 14

2:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

boyerboy says...

Is this the time when our current Council leader(s) meet their WaterLOO?

I expect our next local elections will bring about a massive change, of course Conservatives will retain certain wards but others will see the lowest number of Conservative Councillors in living history being returned , just pick your favourite topic:
Poole bridge
Traveller issues
Parkstone Toilets
Is this the time when our current Council leader(s) meet their WaterLOO? I expect our next local elections will bring about a massive change, of course Conservatives will retain certain wards but others will see the lowest number of Conservative Councillors in living history being returned , just pick your favourite topic: Poole bridge Traveller issues Parkstone Toilets boyerboy
  • Score: 9

3:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Lewcee says...

If your local traders do not support the scheme in an area where the loos are vandalized daily - then tough, your customers will go to areas where the shops have joined the scheme. Bit late to complain about the Council looking after the money the rest of the Borough also contributes - in areas where there are no public loos. Blame the moronic vandals - now THERE'S your problem...it has nothing to do with the Council really.Sign of the times I am afraid.
If your local traders do not support the scheme in an area where the loos are vandalized daily - then tough, your customers will go to areas where the shops have joined the scheme. Bit late to complain about the Council looking after the money the rest of the Borough also contributes - in areas where there are no public loos. Blame the moronic vandals - now THERE'S your problem...it has nothing to do with the Council really.Sign of the times I am afraid. Lewcee
  • Score: -14

3:58pm Tue 26 Aug 14

rayc says...

Lewcee wrote:
If your local traders do not support the scheme in an area where the loos are vandalized daily - then tough, your customers will go to areas where the shops have joined the scheme. Bit late to complain about the Council looking after the money the rest of the Borough also contributes - in areas where there are no public loos. Blame the moronic vandals - now THERE'S your problem...it has nothing to do with the Council really.Sign of the times I am afraid.
The Council report on closing the Jubilee Road toilets said" A condition survey of the building carried out in 2011 identified that the roof required re-felting and redecoration of the windows, fascias and internal walls was required and recommended ‘essential’ work valued at £8,000 be completed in 2013 to rectify these defects. This work was not carried out. Replacement of the metal windows was recommended by 2014 at a cost of £7,000. In addition to this, the survey highlighted £99,000 maintenance work deemed satisfactory at present but needed before 2021. This work includes refurbishment of the toilet fittings, plasterboard ceilings, and light fittings."
These repairs and on going maintenance have nothing to do with vandalism. It is due to decades of neglect by the Council on maintaining their assets.
ha2.boroughofpoole.c
om/akspoole/images/a
tt20618.doc
[quote][p][bold]Lewcee[/bold] wrote: If your local traders do not support the scheme in an area where the loos are vandalized daily - then tough, your customers will go to areas where the shops have joined the scheme. Bit late to complain about the Council looking after the money the rest of the Borough also contributes - in areas where there are no public loos. Blame the moronic vandals - now THERE'S your problem...it has nothing to do with the Council really.Sign of the times I am afraid.[/p][/quote]The Council report on closing the Jubilee Road toilets said" A condition survey of the building carried out in 2011 identified that the roof required re-felting and redecoration of the windows, fascias and internal walls was required and recommended ‘essential’ work valued at £8,000 be completed in 2013 to rectify these defects. This work was not carried out. Replacement of the metal windows was recommended by 2014 at a cost of £7,000. In addition to this, the survey highlighted £99,000 maintenance work deemed satisfactory at present but needed before 2021. This work includes refurbishment of the toilet fittings, plasterboard ceilings, and light fittings." These repairs and on going maintenance have nothing to do with vandalism. It is due to decades of neglect by the Council on maintaining their assets. ha2.boroughofpoole.c om/akspoole/images/a tt20618.doc rayc
  • Score: 12

4:05pm Tue 26 Aug 14

rayc says...

The report also said "i nvitations to join the scheme have been issued to 14 premises within 500m of Jubilee Road toilets. We have received confirmation from 3 of these premises, namely Waitrose, Rosina’s Café and Oswald Bailey that they would like to be part of the scheme. Another 3 scheme members will be included before the scheme is to go live" and "There is a cost associated with running the Community Toilet Scheme in terms of publicity (posters and window stickers) and payments to scheme members. It is expected that the cost of this in Ashley Road, with 6 scheme members would be around £3300. The exact fees to be paid will be agreed individually with Scheme members."
Looks like Councillor Dion is playing with words when she says "the figure of six participating businesses was “whilst desirable, not a fixed requirement”
The report also said "i nvitations to join the scheme have been issued to 14 premises within 500m of Jubilee Road toilets. We have received confirmation from 3 of these premises, namely Waitrose, Rosina’s Café and Oswald Bailey that they would like to be part of the scheme. Another 3 scheme members will be included before the scheme is to go live" and "There is a cost associated with running the Community Toilet Scheme in terms of publicity (posters and window stickers) and payments to scheme members. It is expected that the cost of this in Ashley Road, with 6 scheme members would be around £3300. The exact fees to be paid will be agreed individually with Scheme members." Looks like Councillor Dion is playing with words when she says "the figure of six participating businesses was “whilst desirable, not a fixed requirement” rayc
  • Score: 4

4:19pm Tue 26 Aug 14

phonehome says...

It is a totally false economy to close public toilets and replace them with "community" ones.
What happens when the community toilet owners withdraw from the scheme as I'm sure they will after a few months? How will the Borough of Poole afford to build new replacement public toilets? The answer is - they won't!
We will then be left with no toilets.
It is a totally false economy to close public toilets and replace them with "community" ones. What happens when the community toilet owners withdraw from the scheme as I'm sure they will after a few months? How will the Borough of Poole afford to build new replacement public toilets? The answer is - they won't! We will then be left with no toilets. phonehome
  • Score: 9

4:25pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

speedy231278 wrote:
"But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”."

Translation:

Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers.
Best comment this year!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: "But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”." Translation: Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers.[/p][/quote]Best comment this year! Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Lewcee wrote:
If your local traders do not support the scheme in an area where the loos are vandalized daily - then tough, your customers will go to areas where the shops have joined the scheme. Bit late to complain about the Council looking after the money the rest of the Borough also contributes - in areas where there are no public loos. Blame the moronic vandals - now THERE'S your problem...it has nothing to do with the Council really.Sign of the times I am afraid.
You've missed the point somewhat.
[quote][p][bold]Lewcee[/bold] wrote: If your local traders do not support the scheme in an area where the loos are vandalized daily - then tough, your customers will go to areas where the shops have joined the scheme. Bit late to complain about the Council looking after the money the rest of the Borough also contributes - in areas where there are no public loos. Blame the moronic vandals - now THERE'S your problem...it has nothing to do with the Council really.Sign of the times I am afraid.[/p][/quote]You've missed the point somewhat. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: -3

4:39pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

penhalereturns wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
"But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”."

Translation:

Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers.
They will also make money out of fining people for peeing against a wall when all the shops are shut.
That's the law, just need our Police force to enforce it.......
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: "But Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” whilst “achieving financial savings to protect other services”." Translation: Cllr Deluded insisted that as the council didn't have to pay any more, they couldn't give a toss, and that the money could be wasted on giving skips and portaloos to lawbreaking scroungers.[/p][/quote]They will also make money out of fining people for peeing against a wall when all the shops are shut.[/p][/quote]That's the law, just need our Police force to enforce it....... Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: -11

5:50pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

What amazes me is that anybody believed Cllr Dion in the first place. The woman has a history of lying to both fellow Councillors as well as the public. If that woman told me Tuesday followed Monday, I would check a calendar before I believed her.
What amazes me is that anybody believed Cllr Dion in the first place. The woman has a history of lying to both fellow Councillors as well as the public. If that woman told me Tuesday followed Monday, I would check a calendar before I believed her. ShuttleX
  • Score: 13

5:51pm Tue 26 Aug 14

motsie says...

"Letcommonsensepreva
il"? I think you're looking in the wrong place for that!
"Letcommonsensepreva il"? I think you're looking in the wrong place for that! motsie
  • Score: -6

5:56pm Tue 26 Aug 14

John T says...

rayc wrote:
The report also said "i nvitations to join the scheme have been issued to 14 premises within 500m of Jubilee Road toilets. We have received confirmation from 3 of these premises, namely Waitrose, Rosina’s Café and Oswald Bailey that they would like to be part of the scheme. Another 3 scheme members will be included before the scheme is to go live" and "There is a cost associated with running the Community Toilet Scheme in terms of publicity (posters and window stickers) and payments to scheme members. It is expected that the cost of this in Ashley Road, with 6 scheme members would be around £3300. The exact fees to be paid will be agreed individually with Scheme members."
Looks like Councillor Dion is playing with words when she says "the figure of six participating businesses was “whilst desirable, not a fixed requirement”
'Looks like Cllr Dion is playing with words'.....Two can play that game; I would say that she was bloody lying!
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: The report also said "i nvitations to join the scheme have been issued to 14 premises within 500m of Jubilee Road toilets. We have received confirmation from 3 of these premises, namely Waitrose, Rosina’s Café and Oswald Bailey that they would like to be part of the scheme. Another 3 scheme members will be included before the scheme is to go live" and "There is a cost associated with running the Community Toilet Scheme in terms of publicity (posters and window stickers) and payments to scheme members. It is expected that the cost of this in Ashley Road, with 6 scheme members would be around £3300. The exact fees to be paid will be agreed individually with Scheme members." Looks like Councillor Dion is playing with words when she says "the figure of six participating businesses was “whilst desirable, not a fixed requirement”[/p][/quote]'Looks like Cllr Dion is playing with words'.....Two can play that game; I would say that she was bloody lying! John T
  • Score: 11

6:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

apm1954 says...

shame on you cllrs.
shame on you cllrs. apm1954
  • Score: 1

7:48pm Tue 26 Aug 14

lilliputian says...

It was unfortunate that the traders in Ashley Road chose to believe what Cllr. Dion told them. At best she has been 'economical with the truth', or more likely, given her past record, just chooses not to tell the truth if the alternative gets her her way. Not a woman to be trusted.
It was unfortunate that the traders in Ashley Road chose to believe what Cllr. Dion told them. At best she has been 'economical with the truth', or more likely, given her past record, just chooses not to tell the truth if the alternative gets her her way. Not a woman to be trusted. lilliputian
  • Score: 11

8:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Jeff in Parkstone says...

Cllr Lepoidevin ... re your comments in the Echo today that you were all misled in January by officers on the matter of the number of outlets that had signed up for the toilet scheme ...

So it wasn't abundantly clear at Jan 9th meeting that with only 3 out of 14 outlets expressing "interest" there was not wide and strong support ?

Do you think you were then misled by traders committee advising officers and Cllrs that several outlets were interested ?

In original proposals you didn't think within "500 metres" walking distance was at the very least questionable for outlets to be in an alternative scheme ?

And in all this you say you were "misled" yet you are the Cllr who in June stood outside the closed toilets and told the whole ward in your Lib Dem flyer you, and Cllr Eades, "wholeheartedly" supported the new community scheme.

You thoroughly supported the scheme - but now you tell us (email last week) the scheme is unfit for purpose. The self-same scheme exactly as approved by you in January - then promoted and praised by you three month later.

And in all this you take no responsibility for voting in a scrutiny committe to recommend close down. Others misled you - but not traders who told council as in the minutes that "several stores were interested" ?

And not your colleague Cllr Vikki Slade whose cafe as we now know (not through any voluntary information from yourself or Cllr Slade) is part of Broadstone toilet scheme, and on that you and Cllr Eades insisting the scheme was well and running in B'stone, and would be in Ashley Road.

Is it that that misled you ?

And now you seek to pin responsibility on council officers and PFH - on the point you have been misled - not that there was any failure of judgement on your part in the scrutiny commtee to take note that the whole scheme was highly quetionable, not least in the meetings being told 11 out of 14 outlets had not offered to participate.

As matter stand now with regard to your comments, and Richard Wilson's, I consider your accounts to be grossly misleading.

You speak of being misled whilst grossly misleading the general public giving no explanation that you were one of six Cllrs, and the key Cllr from the ward with the toilets, that in January *recommended* closure of toilets. And in that did not question or challenge what was being proposed.

None-the-less should I now congratulate you ? - I see in Echo comments you have achieved no doubt what you intended - whip up a frenzy of criticism against Cllr Dion, and you the one that voted in a scrutiny committee for close down.

In the end, you are misled, but happy now to mislead others ? Is that about right ? - whatever it takes to protect your party, including jettisoning all respect for general public, with the truth.

Very unimpressive Cllr - you think you're protecting your or your party's reputation, I can't think you could do more harm not having the integrity to explain to the public that the whole committee got this disasterously wrong - and that under influence of some traders, influences from Broadstone, and not rigorously questioning the whole scheme before approving for Ashley Road.

jeff williams
Cllr Lepoidevin ... re your comments in the Echo today that you were all misled in January by officers on the matter of the number of outlets that had signed up for the toilet scheme ... So it wasn't abundantly clear at Jan 9th meeting that with only 3 out of 14 outlets expressing "interest" there was not wide and strong support ? Do you think you were then misled by traders committee advising officers and Cllrs that several outlets were interested ? In original proposals you didn't think within "500 metres" walking distance was at the very least questionable for outlets to be in an alternative scheme ? And in all this you say you were "misled" yet you are the Cllr who in June stood outside the closed toilets and told the whole ward in your Lib Dem flyer you, and Cllr Eades, "wholeheartedly" supported the new community scheme. You thoroughly supported the scheme - but now you tell us (email last week) the scheme is unfit for purpose. The self-same scheme exactly as approved by you in January - then promoted and praised by you three month later. And in all this you take no responsibility for voting in a scrutiny committe to recommend close down. Others misled you - but not traders who told council as in the minutes that "several stores were interested" ? And not your colleague Cllr Vikki Slade whose cafe as we now know (not through any voluntary information from yourself or Cllr Slade) is part of Broadstone toilet scheme, and on that you and Cllr Eades insisting the scheme was well and running in B'stone, and would be in Ashley Road. Is it that that misled you ? And now you seek to pin responsibility on council officers and PFH - on the point you have been misled - not that there was any failure of judgement on your part in the scrutiny commtee to take note that the whole scheme was highly quetionable, not least in the meetings being told 11 out of 14 outlets had not offered to participate. As matter stand now with regard to your comments, and Richard Wilson's, I consider your accounts to be grossly misleading. You speak of being misled whilst grossly misleading the general public giving no explanation that you were one of six Cllrs, and the key Cllr from the ward with the toilets, that in January *recommended* closure of toilets. And in that did not question or challenge what was being proposed. None-the-less should I now congratulate you ? - I see in Echo comments you have achieved no doubt what you intended - whip up a frenzy of criticism against Cllr Dion, and you the one that voted in a scrutiny committee for close down. In the end, you are misled, but happy now to mislead others ? Is that about right ? - whatever it takes to protect your party, including jettisoning all respect for general public, with the truth. Very unimpressive Cllr - you think you're protecting your or your party's reputation, I can't think you could do more harm not having the integrity to explain to the public that the whole committee got this disasterously wrong - and that under influence of some traders, influences from Broadstone, and not rigorously questioning the whole scheme before approving for Ashley Road. jeff williams Jeff in Parkstone
  • Score: -13

9:25pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Hobad1 says...

Just get rid of the friggin' tories.
Just get rid of the friggin' tories. Hobad1
  • Score: 6

9:41pm Tue 26 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

Looks like the **** has hit the fan......or did they take that out too?
Looks like the **** has hit the fan......or did they take that out too? BIGTONE
  • Score: 4

11:12pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

Surely sacking one 'portfolio holder' would pay the costs of the honest rate payers who simply want to spend a penny.

When Councils view urination as a means to extract money from honest rate payers, it surely is taking the pi$$.

Vote them out. And abolish 'portfolio holders'. Whatever those are.
Surely sacking one 'portfolio holder' would pay the costs of the honest rate payers who simply want to spend a penny. When Councils view urination as a means to extract money from honest rate payers, it surely is taking the pi$$. Vote them out. And abolish 'portfolio holders'. Whatever those are. Yankee1
  • Score: 8

6:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

manyogie says...

Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service”
Service? It`s ba**s all to do with a measurable level of service, and it is not a Council level of service to be commandeered and touted as their success.
A large amount of people will not go into a shop and ask to use the loo`s unless it is an emergency.
Anyway, if Xena thinks it`s great, when is her bog going to be open to the public?
Cllr Xena Dion insisted the community toilet scheme offers “a much better service” Service? It`s ba**s all to do with a measurable level of service, and it is not a Council level of service to be commandeered and touted as their success. A large amount of people will not go into a shop and ask to use the loo`s unless it is an emergency. Anyway, if Xena thinks it`s great, when is her bog going to be open to the public? manyogie
  • Score: 5

9:11am Wed 27 Aug 14

moleman says...

If you want to see the most disgusting public toilets in Poole try the ones opposite the Job Centre, which have no locks and don't seem to be cleaned at all. Visitors to Poole were shocked by the state of them..
If you want to see the most disgusting public toilets in Poole try the ones opposite the Job Centre, which have no locks and don't seem to be cleaned at all. Visitors to Poole were shocked by the state of them.. moleman
  • Score: 3

5:59pm Wed 27 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

Jeff in Parkstone wrote:
Cllr Lepoidevin ... re your comments in the Echo today that you were all misled in January by officers on the matter of the number of outlets that had signed up for the toilet scheme ...

So it wasn't abundantly clear at Jan 9th meeting that with only 3 out of 14 outlets expressing "interest" there was not wide and strong support ?

Do you think you were then misled by traders committee advising officers and Cllrs that several outlets were interested ?

In original proposals you didn't think within "500 metres" walking distance was at the very least questionable for outlets to be in an alternative scheme ?

And in all this you say you were "misled" yet you are the Cllr who in June stood outside the closed toilets and told the whole ward in your Lib Dem flyer you, and Cllr Eades, "wholeheartedly" supported the new community scheme.

You thoroughly supported the scheme - but now you tell us (email last week) the scheme is unfit for purpose. The self-same scheme exactly as approved by you in January - then promoted and praised by you three month later.

And in all this you take no responsibility for voting in a scrutiny committe to recommend close down. Others misled you - but not traders who told council as in the minutes that "several stores were interested" ?

And not your colleague Cllr Vikki Slade whose cafe as we now know (not through any voluntary information from yourself or Cllr Slade) is part of Broadstone toilet scheme, and on that you and Cllr Eades insisting the scheme was well and running in B'stone, and would be in Ashley Road.

Is it that that misled you ?

And now you seek to pin responsibility on council officers and PFH - on the point you have been misled - not that there was any failure of judgement on your part in the scrutiny commtee to take note that the whole scheme was highly quetionable, not least in the meetings being told 11 out of 14 outlets had not offered to participate.

As matter stand now with regard to your comments, and Richard Wilson's, I consider your accounts to be grossly misleading.

You speak of being misled whilst grossly misleading the general public giving no explanation that you were one of six Cllrs, and the key Cllr from the ward with the toilets, that in January *recommended* closure of toilets. And in that did not question or challenge what was being proposed.

None-the-less should I now congratulate you ? - I see in Echo comments you have achieved no doubt what you intended - whip up a frenzy of criticism against Cllr Dion, and you the one that voted in a scrutiny committee for close down.

In the end, you are misled, but happy now to mislead others ? Is that about right ? - whatever it takes to protect your party, including jettisoning all respect for general public, with the truth.

Very unimpressive Cllr - you think you're protecting your or your party's reputation, I can't think you could do more harm not having the integrity to explain to the public that the whole committee got this disasterously wrong - and that under influence of some traders, influences from Broadstone, and not rigorously questioning the whole scheme before approving for Ashley Road.

jeff williams
Some very valid points Mr Williams. It just goes to prove what I have known for years, ALL politicians are liars. In fact it's part of the job description.
[quote][p][bold]Jeff in Parkstone[/bold] wrote: Cllr Lepoidevin ... re your comments in the Echo today that you were all misled in January by officers on the matter of the number of outlets that had signed up for the toilet scheme ... So it wasn't abundantly clear at Jan 9th meeting that with only 3 out of 14 outlets expressing "interest" there was not wide and strong support ? Do you think you were then misled by traders committee advising officers and Cllrs that several outlets were interested ? In original proposals you didn't think within "500 metres" walking distance was at the very least questionable for outlets to be in an alternative scheme ? And in all this you say you were "misled" yet you are the Cllr who in June stood outside the closed toilets and told the whole ward in your Lib Dem flyer you, and Cllr Eades, "wholeheartedly" supported the new community scheme. You thoroughly supported the scheme - but now you tell us (email last week) the scheme is unfit for purpose. The self-same scheme exactly as approved by you in January - then promoted and praised by you three month later. And in all this you take no responsibility for voting in a scrutiny committe to recommend close down. Others misled you - but not traders who told council as in the minutes that "several stores were interested" ? And not your colleague Cllr Vikki Slade whose cafe as we now know (not through any voluntary information from yourself or Cllr Slade) is part of Broadstone toilet scheme, and on that you and Cllr Eades insisting the scheme was well and running in B'stone, and would be in Ashley Road. Is it that that misled you ? And now you seek to pin responsibility on council officers and PFH - on the point you have been misled - not that there was any failure of judgement on your part in the scrutiny commtee to take note that the whole scheme was highly quetionable, not least in the meetings being told 11 out of 14 outlets had not offered to participate. As matter stand now with regard to your comments, and Richard Wilson's, I consider your accounts to be grossly misleading. You speak of being misled whilst grossly misleading the general public giving no explanation that you were one of six Cllrs, and the key Cllr from the ward with the toilets, that in January *recommended* closure of toilets. And in that did not question or challenge what was being proposed. None-the-less should I now congratulate you ? - I see in Echo comments you have achieved no doubt what you intended - whip up a frenzy of criticism against Cllr Dion, and you the one that voted in a scrutiny committee for close down. In the end, you are misled, but happy now to mislead others ? Is that about right ? - whatever it takes to protect your party, including jettisoning all respect for general public, with the truth. Very unimpressive Cllr - you think you're protecting your or your party's reputation, I can't think you could do more harm not having the integrity to explain to the public that the whole committee got this disasterously wrong - and that under influence of some traders, influences from Broadstone, and not rigorously questioning the whole scheme before approving for Ashley Road. jeff williams[/p][/quote]Some very valid points Mr Williams. It just goes to prove what I have known for years, ALL politicians are liars. In fact it's part of the job description. ShuttleX
  • Score: 2

7:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Cllr xena dion says...

Shuttle X. At least I do not hide behind anonymity. Perhaps you would like to support your comment about my 'history of lying' with some evidence. I don't lie, I aim to do the best in Poole for the greater good. Sometimes decisions are tough as money is redirected to the social care budget that takes a vast majority of the money the Council is allocated. We are all facing hard times, and this is just the beginning of further cuts. Meanwhile, the Council does not have a statutory duty to provide public toilets so it makes sense to support ones in areas where there are no alternatives, such as around parks and open spaces.
Shuttle X. At least I do not hide behind anonymity. Perhaps you would like to support your comment about my 'history of lying' with some evidence. I don't lie, I aim to do the best in Poole for the greater good. Sometimes decisions are tough as money is redirected to the social care budget that takes a vast majority of the money the Council is allocated. We are all facing hard times, and this is just the beginning of further cuts. Meanwhile, the Council does not have a statutory duty to provide public toilets so it makes sense to support ones in areas where there are no alternatives, such as around parks and open spaces. Cllr xena dion
  • Score: -8

7:42pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Cllr xena dion says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l. Please do not assume I have my head anywhere but on my shoulders. And, at least I do not hide behind false names. The community use schemes are well signed with the 'Use our Loo' posters and are clearly mapped on the old toilets so people can find them. Most people know that pubs and cafes have toilets and will stop for a drink in order to access them if they cannot find alternatives. This is happening across many other towns and cities and whilst we would all like public toilets around where we shop, people survive and work out alternatives when they are not...
Letcommonsenseprevai l. Please do not assume I have my head anywhere but on my shoulders. And, at least I do not hide behind false names. The community use schemes are well signed with the 'Use our Loo' posters and are clearly mapped on the old toilets so people can find them. Most people know that pubs and cafes have toilets and will stop for a drink in order to access them if they cannot find alternatives. This is happening across many other towns and cities and whilst we would all like public toilets around where we shop, people survive and work out alternatives when they are not... Cllr xena dion
  • Score: -8

9:07am Thu 28 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

Cllr xena dion wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l. Please do not assume I have my head anywhere but on my shoulders. And, at least I do not hide behind false names. The community use schemes are well signed with the 'Use our Loo' posters and are clearly mapped on the old toilets so people can find them. Most people know that pubs and cafes have toilets and will stop for a drink in order to access them if they cannot find alternatives. This is happening across many other towns and cities and whilst we would all like public toilets around where we shop, people survive and work out alternatives when they are not...
Why can you not just simply admit it was a failed idea and get on with what you are elected to do, serve the public. That means those people who shop in parkstone and need those loos and the traders in Parkstone who are losing money because people are now avoiding the area because of the Councils penny pinching, incompetence.

At least Marion Le Poidevin has openly admitted it was a bad judgement , why can't you?

The council can't get toilets to those travellers illegal campsites fast enough but people who live here and pay their way can't have them.

Pathetic!
[quote][p][bold]Cllr xena dion[/bold] wrote: Letcommonsenseprevai l. Please do not assume I have my head anywhere but on my shoulders. And, at least I do not hide behind false names. The community use schemes are well signed with the 'Use our Loo' posters and are clearly mapped on the old toilets so people can find them. Most people know that pubs and cafes have toilets and will stop for a drink in order to access them if they cannot find alternatives. This is happening across many other towns and cities and whilst we would all like public toilets around where we shop, people survive and work out alternatives when they are not...[/p][/quote]Why can you not just simply admit it was a failed idea and get on with what you are elected to do, serve the public. That means those people who shop in parkstone and need those loos and the traders in Parkstone who are losing money because people are now avoiding the area because of the Councils penny pinching, incompetence. At least Marion Le Poidevin has openly admitted it was a bad judgement , why can't you? The council can't get toilets to those travellers illegal campsites fast enough but people who live here and pay their way can't have them. Pathetic! Marty Caine
  • Score: 4
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