‘Please build an ice rink at Winter Gardens site’ – councillors make plea to developer of leisure complex

DEVELOPMENT: The public look over plans for the Winter Gardens

PROPOSAL: An artist's drawing of the site

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“PLEASE build an ice rink for the people of Bournemouth.”

That’s the plea from councillors faced with deciding the fate of the multi-million pound Winter Gardens proposals next month.

In a meeting of Bournemouth Borough Council’s planning board on Monday, members of the committee asked developers Inland Ltd to consider adding a rink to their designs.

The proposals currently seek outline planning consent for around 114 flats, a 70-bedroom hotel, a leisure complex, entertainment space and shops, as well as a 550-space car park.

Councillor Ron Whittaker, vice-chair of the committee, said: “[I’d ask for] a reasonably-sized ice rink facility, a facility this town so desperately needs.

“If they [developers] want to sell this to the public and planning board, I hope they will take this on board and come back in September [with plans for] a permanent indoor ice rink.”

His appeal was backed by other councillors, including Cllr Phil Stanley-Watts, who said: “This is a key site for Bournemouth and an opportunity to maintain the heritage of this site.”

He added: “There is a real opportunity to have an ice rink, and a lot of people in this town are calling for one.

“I feel that must be kept in mind.”

Chair of the committee Cllr David Kelsey once again urged planners to return with more information in September.

“My concern is lack of detail,” he said.

“You [developers] have had four chances with lack of detail.”

He added: “I don’t want to be the first chairman to turn something down four times in a row.”

Cllr Roger West said that the town needed a “smart, pleasant and attractive” build for the Winter Gardens site, but added: “I think this development as it stands does not indicate that to me.”

A report received by the committee stated that 11 letters of objection were received by the council during the formal consultation period, along with five letters providing comments.

Among those objecting are the Civic Society, the Save Bournemouth Odeon Campaign and DMH Stallard on behalf of residents and business owners.

The decision will be made during a special meeting of the planning board on Monday, September 29 at 1.30pm.

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7:20am Sun 24 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

Who actually owns the site. if its is he council and have yet to draw up a lease have they not the right to insist that an ice rink be incorporated into the development.
Who actually owns the site. if its is he council and have yet to draw up a lease have they not the right to insist that an ice rink be incorporated into the development. Lord Spring
  • Score: 9

7:37am Sun 24 Aug 14

High Treason says...

The council have got a cheek. They close down the pier approach baths and allow the Imax to be built which was a complete failure and cost us millions. They close the BIC baths to have more room for conferences, just what holiday makers want. Now they want an ice rink. Does any one at the council have any idea on forward planning for family holidays? Or do they only cater for students and clubbers at the nightclubs which costs us a fortune to police. They waste millions on the Imax, surf reef, fancy road signs etc, just think we could have had an ice rink years ago, paid for from the money they wasted.
The council have got a cheek. They close down the pier approach baths and allow the Imax to be built which was a complete failure and cost us millions. They close the BIC baths to have more room for conferences, just what holiday makers want. Now they want an ice rink. Does any one at the council have any idea on forward planning for family holidays? Or do they only cater for students and clubbers at the nightclubs which costs us a fortune to police. They waste millions on the Imax, surf reef, fancy road signs etc, just think we could have had an ice rink years ago, paid for from the money they wasted. High Treason
  • Score: 33

8:03am Sun 24 Aug 14

KKen96 says...

Ahh yes an ice rink. I'm sure that would be a big draw for the holiday makers. Let's go to Bournemouth, home of a magnificent 7-mile beach. We can pack long socks & trousers so that we can go ice skating.

Holiday makers dream of sunbathing and swimming in the sea. If only there was an indoor swimming pool nearby with a wave machine and a slide that they could use on inclement days. Oh, wait...
Ahh yes an ice rink. I'm sure that would be a big draw for the holiday makers. Let's go to Bournemouth, home of a magnificent 7-mile beach. We can pack long socks & trousers so that we can go ice skating. Holiday makers dream of sunbathing and swimming in the sea. If only there was an indoor swimming pool nearby with a wave machine and a slide that they could use on inclement days. Oh, wait... KKen96
  • Score: 19

8:06am Sun 24 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

114 flats, a 70-bedroom hotel, a leisure complex, entertainment space and shops, as well as a 550-space car park ,,,,,,, sound like another massive overdevelopment to me. Why does our Council seem intent on concreting our town over? Would it not be better to redevelop an existing run down site in the town?
114 flats, a 70-bedroom hotel, a leisure complex, entertainment space and shops, as well as a 550-space car park ,,,,,,, sound like another massive overdevelopment to me. Why does our Council seem intent on concreting our town over? Would it not be better to redevelop an existing run down site in the town? fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 20

8:09am Sun 24 Aug 14

KKen96 says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
114 flats, a 70-bedroom hotel, a leisure complex, entertainment space and shops, as well as a 550-space car park ,,,,,,, sound like another massive overdevelopment to me. Why does our Council seem intent on concreting our town over? Would it not be better to redevelop an existing run down site in the town?
Flats, Hotels, Leisure Complexes, Shops & Car Parks all feed into the council coffers. Trees and grass do not!
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: 114 flats, a 70-bedroom hotel, a leisure complex, entertainment space and shops, as well as a 550-space car park ,,,,,,, sound like another massive overdevelopment to me. Why does our Council seem intent on concreting our town over? Would it not be better to redevelop an existing run down site in the town?[/p][/quote]Flats, Hotels, Leisure Complexes, Shops & Car Parks all feed into the council coffers. Trees and grass do not! KKen96
  • Score: 18

8:54am Sun 24 Aug 14

Townee says...

Looks like some councillors are trying to blackmail the developers into putting an ice rink into this development. Put it in or you don't get planning permission.
We had an ice rink years ago and that was not used much, there might be a minority who want an ice rink but the majority would want something that the majority would use. This council need to be dragged into 21st century and stop looking for ways to keep people away from Bournemouth.
Looks like some councillors are trying to blackmail the developers into putting an ice rink into this development. Put it in or you don't get planning permission. We had an ice rink years ago and that was not used much, there might be a minority who want an ice rink but the majority would want something that the majority would use. This council need to be dragged into 21st century and stop looking for ways to keep people away from Bournemouth. Townee
  • Score: 3

8:58am Sun 24 Aug 14

Townee says...

Perhaps what we need is a world class concert hall that would attract world class singing stars. Many don't come here because the BIC is so small, we need something like they have in Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, London and many other towns and cities.
I would be nice to have great groups here not the has beens who are only here because the big venues don't want them.
Perhaps what we need is a world class concert hall that would attract world class singing stars. Many don't come here because the BIC is so small, we need something like they have in Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow, London and many other towns and cities. I would be nice to have great groups here not the has beens who are only here because the big venues don't want them. Townee
  • Score: 9

9:06am Sun 24 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth.
Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth. ShuttleX
  • Score: 6

9:06am Sun 24 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
114 flats, a 70-bedroom hotel, a leisure complex, entertainment space and shops, as well as a 550-space car park ,,,,,,, sound like another massive overdevelopment to me. Why does our Council seem intent on concreting our town over? Would it not be better to redevelop an existing run down site in the town?
The town hall for instance and relocate the council offices to Elliot Road?
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: 114 flats, a 70-bedroom hotel, a leisure complex, entertainment space and shops, as well as a 550-space car park ,,,,,,, sound like another massive overdevelopment to me. Why does our Council seem intent on concreting our town over? Would it not be better to redevelop an existing run down site in the town?[/p][/quote]The town hall for instance and relocate the council offices to Elliot Road? The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 5

9:15am Sun 24 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 1

9:19am Sun 24 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
The bus station SHOULD be on the site of the old one - it makes more sense, ridiculous that another complex is going to be built there.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.[/p][/quote]The bus station SHOULD be on the site of the old one - it makes more sense, ridiculous that another complex is going to be built there. FerryFan
  • Score: 7

9:25am Sun 24 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth.
What vested interest? Genuinely curious.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]What vested interest? Genuinely curious. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 6

9:44am Sun 24 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.[/p][/quote]Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 0

9:49am Sun 24 Aug 14

MrPitiful says...

Who really wants an ice-rink in the centre of town these days?

The answer is this - nobody apart from those who want to peg Bournemouth back to the good old days. Things have moved on. An ice-rink has no longevity in its appeal and is best left as a minor novelty attraction in the manner of the temporary thing that sprouts up by the balloon around Christmas time.

Kids these days on the whole aren't that interested in going ice-skating. Pardon the pun but it's not cool. Once everyone has had a go, numbers will dwindle and it will struggle. As someone else pointed out, holidaymakers won't keep it going either.

It's an old hat of an idea supported by those living in the past. We really need to accept that the fact that times, needs & people have changed and if the town is to survive as a modern resort as well as an attractive place to live and work, then the days of ice-rinks, town centre based bus stations and Fortes ice-cream shops are all long gone, in the distant past where they should be.
Who really wants an ice-rink in the centre of town these days? The answer is this - nobody apart from those who want to peg Bournemouth back to the good old days. Things have moved on. An ice-rink has no longevity in its appeal and is best left as a minor novelty attraction in the manner of the temporary thing that sprouts up by the balloon around Christmas time. Kids these days on the whole aren't that interested in going ice-skating. Pardon the pun but it's not cool. Once everyone has had a go, numbers will dwindle and it will struggle. As someone else pointed out, holidaymakers won't keep it going either. It's an old hat of an idea supported by those living in the past. We really need to accept that the fact that times, needs & people have changed and if the town is to survive as a modern resort as well as an attractive place to live and work, then the days of ice-rinks, town centre based bus stations and Fortes ice-cream shops are all long gone, in the distant past where they should be. MrPitiful
  • Score: 10

10:09am Sun 24 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Who really wants an ice-rink in the centre of town these days?

The answer is this - nobody apart from those who want to peg Bournemouth back to the good old days. Things have moved on. An ice-rink has no longevity in its appeal and is best left as a minor novelty attraction in the manner of the temporary thing that sprouts up by the balloon around Christmas time.

Kids these days on the whole aren't that interested in going ice-skating. Pardon the pun but it's not cool. Once everyone has had a go, numbers will dwindle and it will struggle. As someone else pointed out, holidaymakers won't keep it going either.

It's an old hat of an idea supported by those living in the past. We really need to accept that the fact that times, needs & people have changed and if the town is to survive as a modern resort as well as an attractive place to live and work, then the days of ice-rinks, town centre based bus stations and Fortes ice-cream shops are all long gone, in the distant past where they should be.
You would have thought that by now, Jobsworth Towers would have realised that to save the town....the country... they need to make all parking free and uninvent computers and the internet to get people to leave their houses.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Who really wants an ice-rink in the centre of town these days? The answer is this - nobody apart from those who want to peg Bournemouth back to the good old days. Things have moved on. An ice-rink has no longevity in its appeal and is best left as a minor novelty attraction in the manner of the temporary thing that sprouts up by the balloon around Christmas time. Kids these days on the whole aren't that interested in going ice-skating. Pardon the pun but it's not cool. Once everyone has had a go, numbers will dwindle and it will struggle. As someone else pointed out, holidaymakers won't keep it going either. It's an old hat of an idea supported by those living in the past. We really need to accept that the fact that times, needs & people have changed and if the town is to survive as a modern resort as well as an attractive place to live and work, then the days of ice-rinks, town centre based bus stations and Fortes ice-cream shops are all long gone, in the distant past where they should be.[/p][/quote]You would have thought that by now, Jobsworth Towers would have realised that to save the town....the country... they need to make all parking free and uninvent computers and the internet to get people to leave their houses. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 7

10:17am Sun 24 Aug 14

BmthNewshound says...

I just don't get Bournemouth Councils obsession with finding some developer to build an ice rink. To the best of my knowledge no recent study has been undertaken to find out whether this is something enough people would use to make it economically viable and whether it would have a positive impact on the towns tourism industry.
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It seems that the Council have learnt nothing from their monumental and costly mistakes of the past, namely the Imax and Surf Reef. If an ice rink is actually built how long before the operator goes bust and the tax payer is left with another £multi-million white elephant which will be demolished and turned into a car park for the next 30 years.
I just don't get Bournemouth Councils obsession with finding some developer to build an ice rink. To the best of my knowledge no recent study has been undertaken to find out whether this is something enough people would use to make it economically viable and whether it would have a positive impact on the towns tourism industry. . It seems that the Council have learnt nothing from their monumental and costly mistakes of the past, namely the Imax and Surf Reef. If an ice rink is actually built how long before the operator goes bust and the tax payer is left with another £multi-million white elephant which will be demolished and turned into a car park for the next 30 years. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 16

10:57am Sun 24 Aug 14

Azphreal says...

So they say that we need one but when they were going to originally remove the top floor of the IMAX and in a blaze of publicity said 'Tell us what you want for the building (but you are not allowed to choose an icerink' before paying no attention and ripping it down. Then they enter a deal with a company saying they will not let anyone else build a rink but how was that deal set up,did they say a rink 'there' or anywhere in the town?
So they say that we need one but when they were going to originally remove the top floor of the IMAX and in a blaze of publicity said 'Tell us what you want for the building (but you are not allowed to choose an icerink' before paying no attention and ripping it down. Then they enter a deal with a company saying they will not let anyone else build a rink but how was that deal set up,did they say a rink 'there' or anywhere in the town? Azphreal
  • Score: 6

11:08am Sun 24 Aug 14

its not that bad says...

this town need s a better concert hall but I do agree we need a swimming pool and an ice rink in Bournemouth how many bars and clubs places to eat and shops do we need when are they going to learn we need stuff for the family's to use people in the town that live hear and family's on holiday
this town need s a better concert hall but I do agree we need a swimming pool and an ice rink in Bournemouth how many bars and clubs places to eat and shops do we need when are they going to learn we need stuff for the family's to use people in the town that live hear and family's on holiday its not that bad
  • Score: 4

11:42am Sun 24 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

Put a lock up for all the weekend louts there, keep them there till Monday morning.
Put a lock up for all the weekend louts there, keep them there till Monday morning. FerryFan
  • Score: 4

12:18pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Branksome snail says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
The elderly are not going to be able to get up and down that hill. Also the new big hotel wont want to look down on that and chugging diesel buses.

There is no call for an ice rink or we would have one. It just seems desperation to squeeze more into a very small footprint. People want to skate at Christmas, but they can do that at the bic or now the gardens. How many rinks do we need?

What also is in the town centre master vision/master plan? Lets see the plan, what goes where, then we can all vote on it?
Things like an ice rink should figure in that if there is a need. Surely the money being paid to come up with a vision should also include an evaluation of all the ideas, in a completely joined up plan covering everything?

Bus station/no bus station, ice rink/no ice rink. Planners should consult the 'vision' plan surely?

The planning of all our open spaces seems completely out of control and chaotic with no-one really knowing what's going on
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.[/p][/quote]The elderly are not going to be able to get up and down that hill. Also the new big hotel wont want to look down on that and chugging diesel buses. There is no call for an ice rink or we would have one. It just seems desperation to squeeze more into a very small footprint. People want to skate at Christmas, but they can do that at the bic or now the gardens. How many rinks do we need? What also is in the town centre master vision/master plan? Lets see the plan, what goes where, then we can all vote on it? Things like an ice rink should figure in that if there is a need. Surely the money being paid to come up with a vision should also include an evaluation of all the ideas, in a completely joined up plan covering everything? Bus station/no bus station, ice rink/no ice rink. Planners should consult the 'vision' plan surely? The planning of all our open spaces seems completely out of control and chaotic with no-one really knowing what's going on Branksome snail
  • Score: 4

1:09pm Sun 24 Aug 14

wadjit says...

How about no ice rink - that is a better idea.
How about no ice rink - that is a better idea. wadjit
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

I thought the ice rink in Kings Park was a done deal, so what is Whittaker bleating on about building one in the town centre ? Does he not trust his fellow councillors.

As many have said there is not the demand to make an ice rink commercially viable - and it will only be included in plans, as with so much other old guff, if the councillors think it is something they can justify in handing over public owned land to private developers.

The money is in cramming as many flats in as possible. Cinemas, ice rinks. climbing walls and other such buffoonery are merely ruses .... that's all.
I thought the ice rink in Kings Park was a done deal, so what is Whittaker bleating on about building one in the town centre ? Does he not trust his fellow councillors. As many have said there is not the demand to make an ice rink commercially viable - and it will only be included in plans, as with so much other old guff, if the councillors think it is something they can justify in handing over public owned land to private developers. The money is in cramming as many flats in as possible. Cinemas, ice rinks. climbing walls and other such buffoonery are merely ruses .... that's all. Bob49
  • Score: 7

2:17pm Sun 24 Aug 14

OKANAGAN 1 says...

Watch out, next will be flats etc. on Roundabouts!!!
Watch out, next will be flats etc. on Roundabouts!!! OKANAGAN 1
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Phixer says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Who actually owns the site. if its is he council and have yet to draw up a lease have they not the right to insist that an ice rink be incorporated into the development.
They could try but no landlord is going to sign a lease that ties their hands.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Who actually owns the site. if its is he council and have yet to draw up a lease have they not the right to insist that an ice rink be incorporated into the development.[/p][/quote]They could try but no landlord is going to sign a lease that ties their hands. Phixer
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Phixer says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor
A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again.

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.[/p][/quote]Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor[/p][/quote]A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again. "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Phixer
  • Score: 0

2:55pm Sun 24 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth.
What vested interest? Genuinely curious.
Lets just say that Doreen, Charles and John Hall are friends of some Councillors, who as of yet, have not declared any conflict of interest in the matter. Their reasons being, that no contract is ready for signing. Just because a Councillor isn't on the Committee that decides these things, it doesn't follow that they can't bring pressure to bear on those that are, or do a bit of back scratching. Tit for tat deals are done all the time in committee rooms. So much for morals.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]What vested interest? Genuinely curious.[/p][/quote]Lets just say that Doreen, Charles and John Hall are friends of some Councillors, who as of yet, have not declared any conflict of interest in the matter. Their reasons being, that no contract is ready for signing. Just because a Councillor isn't on the Committee that decides these things, it doesn't follow that they can't bring pressure to bear on those that are, or do a bit of back scratching. Tit for tat deals are done all the time in committee rooms. So much for morals. ShuttleX
  • Score: 7

8:31pm Sun 24 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Phixer wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor
A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again.

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Hmm ... I think you are in need of a sense of humour transplant! As for suggesting I have never visited Bournemouth,,,, I was born here.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.[/p][/quote]Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor[/p][/quote]A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again. "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."[/p][/quote]Hmm ... I think you are in need of a sense of humour transplant! As for suggesting I have never visited Bournemouth,,,, I was born here. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 3

10:30pm Sun 24 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

I was born at Boscombe Hospital ( not there any more - demolished for housing), educated (I use that term loosely) at Porchester Boys' School (not there any more - demolished for housing), played at the Winter Gardens (not there any more - demolished for housing). Used to swim at, and enjoy the annual Aqua Show at the Pier Approach (a beautiful, well-fashioned building), (not there any more - demolished for a very large box of nonsense).

It's pathetic. Some on here vote for this shower every time there's an election and yet there's a huge pong, in my home town today, an apparent stench of closeness of elected councillors and developers (rather than raw sewage, we once used to swim next to), by the sea these days and yet no one bothers to decry it. Get rid of these people and start planning for the future in a constructive way.

Sure we need homes (beautiful ones for social housing) decent schools and of course great facilities for those that visit the beaches.

Bournemouth today is dirty and miserable. It's people, once so proud and full of hope, do not want to see the founder's vision so ably destroyed by the greedy, grubby property developer. The Council needs to grow up. Sure It needs to embrace change and must ensure that it has a plan that the majority feel proud to play a part in.


Our once beautiful sea-front reminds me of a Croydon-by -the Sea.

It's pants... sort it!
I was born at Boscombe Hospital ( not there any more - demolished for housing), educated (I use that term loosely) at Porchester Boys' School (not there any more - demolished for housing), played at the Winter Gardens (not there any more - demolished for housing). Used to swim at, and enjoy the annual Aqua Show at the Pier Approach (a beautiful, well-fashioned building), (not there any more - demolished for a very large box of nonsense). It's pathetic. Some on here vote for this shower every time there's an election and yet there's a huge pong, in my home town today, an apparent stench of closeness of elected councillors and developers (rather than raw sewage, we once used to swim next to), by the sea these days and yet no one bothers to decry it. Get rid of these people and start planning for the future in a constructive way. Sure we need homes (beautiful ones for social housing) decent schools and of course great facilities for those that visit the beaches. Bournemouth today is dirty and miserable. It's people, once so proud and full of hope, do not want to see the founder's vision so ably destroyed by the greedy, grubby property developer. The Council needs to grow up. Sure It needs to embrace change and must ensure that it has a plan that the majority feel proud to play a part in. Our once beautiful sea-front reminds me of a Croydon-by -the Sea. It's pants... sort it! St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 3

11:55pm Sun 24 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

I suggest the councilor provide a viable business plan to make this work, not only at its opening, but in two year's time.

Judging by the Council's 'history' with such schemes (the surf reef being the best example) I should think it is unlikely.

Here is a clue to this 'councilor': offer a tax holiday on the development for five years, so long as the ice rink is in full operation. That is how these things work. Quid Pro Quo. Not threats of 'lack of consent'. That is, in fact dear councilor, bordering on extortion. Such things are whispered at the pub, or the Masonic Hall. Extortion leads to prison.
I suggest the councilor provide a viable business plan to make this work, not only at its opening, but in two year's time. Judging by the Council's 'history' with such schemes (the surf reef being the best example) I should think it is unlikely. Here is a clue to this 'councilor': offer a tax holiday on the development for five years, so long as the ice rink is in full operation. That is how these things work. Quid Pro Quo. Not threats of 'lack of consent'. That is, in fact dear councilor, bordering on extortion. Such things are whispered at the pub, or the Masonic Hall. Extortion leads to prison. Yankee1
  • Score: 2

7:45am Mon 25 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

Phixer wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor
A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again.

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
In Gordon Honeycombes' book Red Watch he gives a stronger statement on opening ones mouth which could not be used on here.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.[/p][/quote]Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor[/p][/quote]A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again. "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."[/p][/quote]In Gordon Honeycombes' book Red Watch he gives a stronger statement on opening ones mouth which could not be used on here. Lord Spring
  • Score: 0

9:15am Mon 25 Aug 14

rozmister says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth.
No benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth at all....except council tax from 114 flats. They're not going to be band A flats on that site either are they so it'll be a good boost for the budgets! Plus there's never seems to be enough decent housing available in Bournemouth so we could do with some more!!
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Don't worry, it's not going to happen. Certain Councillors have a vested interest in developing Kings Park, so they are not going to allow a rink in the town centre. The flats and hotel is where the money is for Inland ltd. The so called "leisure complex" is mainly aimed at the residents of the hotel, with membership available to the flat owners. Joe Public will be lucky if they are allowed through the doors. Of course by the time you lot find out this the hard way, the place will be built and there will be nothing you, or the Council, can do about it. None of this will be of any benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]No benefit to the taxpayers of Bournemouth at all....except council tax from 114 flats. They're not going to be band A flats on that site either are they so it'll be a good boost for the budgets! Plus there's never seems to be enough decent housing available in Bournemouth so we could do with some more!! rozmister
  • Score: -3

11:59am Mon 25 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

Look local taxes are important but clearly there is little argument in removing facilities that benefit the whole and making exclusive residential flats for the rich.

I work in London because there was no work for me in my home town. Bournemouth needs facilities for the young and the old. We are benefitting by the emerging AFC Bournemouth bringing thousands of pounds into the local economy at Kings Park, with travelling football fans. However little or nothing else attracts these days.

The Winter Gardens is one of many such facilities taken away from the whole. The community of Bournemouth should be rattling the doors of the Town Hall and making even greater demands, for secure jobs that do NOT attract the minimum wage or better social housing (We can't all afford a new build can we?) Bournemouth is surrounded by beauty and is a jaded jewel within that beauty. The politicians have destroyed over the years so much. Poundbury is clearly a future monarch's fantasy and is not going to be social housing but it does give a beauty of sorts to Dorchester's environment. I hope we and the planners can get it right and in my life time please!

Bournemouth is pants.

I am writing this today, from my home in Christchurch. It's raining - there is no point in going to my home town, why? It will be overstuffed with desperate holiday makers trying to appease their kids, poor devils! You have to go to Poole when it rains.

Bournemouth hates the holiday maker and kids it seems! The councillors ride rough-shod over the feelings of the many and to give an elite living in the Winter Gardens a further voice means just more misery imposed on the rest of us.

Good luck!
Look local taxes are important but clearly there is little argument in removing facilities that benefit the whole and making exclusive residential flats for the rich. I work in London because there was no work for me in my home town. Bournemouth needs facilities for the young and the old. We are benefitting by the emerging AFC Bournemouth bringing thousands of pounds into the local economy at Kings Park, with travelling football fans. However little or nothing else attracts these days. The Winter Gardens is one of many such facilities taken away from the whole. The community of Bournemouth should be rattling the doors of the Town Hall and making even greater demands, for secure jobs that do NOT attract the minimum wage or better social housing (We can't all afford a new build can we?) Bournemouth is surrounded by beauty and is a jaded jewel within that beauty. The politicians have destroyed over the years so much. Poundbury is clearly a future monarch's fantasy and is not going to be social housing but it does give a beauty of sorts to Dorchester's environment. I hope we and the planners can get it right and in my life time please! Bournemouth is pants. I am writing this today, from my home in Christchurch. It's raining - there is no point in going to my home town, why? It will be overstuffed with desperate holiday makers trying to appease their kids, poor devils! You have to go to Poole when it rains. Bournemouth hates the holiday maker and kids it seems! The councillors ride rough-shod over the feelings of the many and to give an elite living in the Winter Gardens a further voice means just more misery imposed on the rest of us. Good luck! St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 1

12:09pm Mon 25 Aug 14

St Albans Cherry says...

Phixer wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.
Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor
A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again.

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
I think all people should have the right to express their opinion don't you? To paraphrase Mark Twain (Abraham Lincoln was not that witty!) to quieten a question of concern about Bournemouth's planning debate is a little pompous isn't it?

I hope that the Town Hall stands up in defiance to the planners. Remember Pier Approach Baths, that went without any fight and sadly I would imagine many are cynical of any future plans for the town centre. What was once a significant and attractive part of Bournemouth has today become an awful part of the borough!

The Winter Gardens is lost and no doubt many fear the same for the old Victorian hotel...
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: If we can't have a bus station on the old bus station site then the Winter Gardens site has to be the next best location.[/p][/quote]Or possibly the Town Hall after they are moved out to Turlin Moor[/p][/quote]A pathetic comment that demonstrates you've never visited Bournemouth. To suggest that the town hall building - a former hotel - should be demolished beggars belief; one of the finest buildings in town and a perfect location for a high-class hotel again. "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."[/p][/quote]I think all people should have the right to express their opinion don't you? To paraphrase Mark Twain (Abraham Lincoln was not that witty!) to quieten a question of concern about Bournemouth's planning debate is a little pompous isn't it? I hope that the Town Hall stands up in defiance to the planners. Remember Pier Approach Baths, that went without any fight and sadly I would imagine many are cynical of any future plans for the town centre. What was once a significant and attractive part of Bournemouth has today become an awful part of the borough! The Winter Gardens is lost and no doubt many fear the same for the old Victorian hotel... St Albans Cherry
  • Score: 2

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