EDL march and Unite the Union rally will mean increased police presence in Bournemouth

Bournemouth drafts in mounted police to help with EDL and Unite the Union protests

Bournemouth drafts in mounted police to help with EDL and Unite the Union protests

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The number of officers patrolling Bournemouth town centre this weekend will rise substantially as two separate protests take place at the same time.

Police have confirmed that Thames Valley Police officers mounted on horseback will be drafted in Bournemouth as members of the English Defence League march through the streets on Saturday to demonstrate against “Islamic extremism.”

Hundreds are additionally expected to join a counter-rally organised by Unite the Union to celebrate Bournemouth's diverse culture.

It is understood that officers are prepared for the possibility of violent confrontations on the streets of the town.

Superintendant Nicky Searle, Gold Commander for the force's Operation Fig - an initiative to manage the response to the day - said the police and other authorities are legally obligated to facilitate peaceful protest.

She said: “We will monitor both marches to help keep everyone safe as they move through the town, provide information to help minimise disruption, and respond quickly if any crimes or significant disorder occurs.”

Supt Searle said both groups have contacted Dorset Police, and the EDL agreed following discussions not to march during the busy Air Festival weekend.

She added: “We are working with Bournemouth Borough Council and other partners to manage any impact on the town and to reassure local people.

“This includes liaising with other emergency services to ensure access for response vehicles during the marches.”

It is expected that rolling road closures will be used only when necessary.

Supt Searle said: “On the day people will see an increased police presence in the town.

“However, I would reassure local residents, businesses and visitors that our intention and expectation is that while people will probably notice the protests taking place for a few hours, they will still be able to enjoy the town as normal with minimal disruption for the vast majority of the day.”

The English Defence League plan to meet at the Square and march to the West Overcliff path between the BIC and the clifftop.

The counter-protest, involving a number of groups coordinated by Unite the Union, plan to meet at Horseshoe Common, taking a proposed route that finishes at Bath Road South car park.

Some disruption is expected between midday and 2pm.

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7:22am Thu 21 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

Yes maybe far right but I'm sure many harbour there views reference the Islamic extremists especially given what has recently happened to that American journalist !
Yes maybe far right but I'm sure many harbour there views reference the Islamic extremists especially given what has recently happened to that American journalist ! alasdair1967
  • Score: 22

7:29am Thu 21 Aug 14

FlamingCarbuncle says...

Don't have a good feeling about this.
Don't have a good feeling about this. FlamingCarbuncle
  • Score: 4

7:47am Thu 21 Aug 14

Controversial But True says...

Whether the EDL are right or wrong, they're basically demonstrating something that the average Brit is too scared to do for fear of reprisal or prosecution. Freedom of speech is long gone!
Whether the EDL are right or wrong, they're basically demonstrating something that the average Brit is too scared to do for fear of reprisal or prosecution. Freedom of speech is long gone! Controversial But True
  • Score: 39

7:47am Thu 21 Aug 14

ben111 says...

The more news coverage you give them more they succeed.
The more news coverage you give them more they succeed. ben111
  • Score: 11

8:18am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tripod says...

Who pick-up the bill for all this extra Police Bank-Holiday Weekend Overtime? Oops, silly question!
Who pick-up the bill for all this extra Police Bank-Holiday Weekend Overtime? Oops, silly question! Tripod
  • Score: -15

8:19am Thu 21 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

Groups like these wouldn't gain momentum if the government weren't afraid to address the issues that are ruining this country.
Groups like these wouldn't gain momentum if the government weren't afraid to address the issues that are ruining this country. Mister-G
  • Score: 35

8:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

It's a shame we don't get extra Police drafted in at the weekends to help curb the usual antisocial behaviour of all the drunks on Friday and Saturday nights in the Old Christchurch Road/Horseshoe Common area. I guess they don't bother as it won't be covered in the news, and therefore has no publicity value. It would be nice if there wasn't hooliganism in the area all the time, not just the odd Bank Holiday weekend where a few chums can be brought in for a nice spot of overtime near the beach!
It's a shame we don't get extra Police drafted in at the weekends to help curb the usual antisocial behaviour of all the drunks on Friday and Saturday nights in the Old Christchurch Road/Horseshoe Common area. I guess they don't bother as it won't be covered in the news, and therefore has no publicity value. It would be nice if there wasn't hooliganism in the area all the time, not just the odd Bank Holiday weekend where a few chums can be brought in for a nice spot of overtime near the beach! speedy231278
  • Score: -8

9:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.
Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious. The Liberal
  • Score: 20

9:42am Thu 21 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

Ban the lot of them. Democracy does not come into it if they are enticing racism and violence. English Defence League are anti everything and everyone who is not English.
Can we have a peaceful weekend.
Ban the lot of them. Democracy does not come into it if they are enticing racism and violence. English Defence League are anti everything and everyone who is not English. Can we have a peaceful weekend. TheDistrict
  • Score: -14

10:26am Thu 21 Aug 14

wadjit says...

Where was this picture taken in Bournemouth?
Where was this picture taken in Bournemouth? wadjit
  • Score: -5

10:44am Thu 21 Aug 14

Teddy 1 says...

I would like to think they arent paying overtime and have enough police in dorset on duty for a bank holiday weekend.

Bournemouth echo are you going to do a freedom of information request on this as it is surely in the public interest to see how well staffed they had planneed to be on this bank holiday weekend especially given they admitted to previously being unprepared for an increase in phone calls to the non emergency number. i would like to think they map resources (police officers) to demand...afterall this bank holiday isnt really a new thing is it!! Or eould this be too hard for them to comprehend.

This also goes against messages posted by the policse media only yesterday that bournemoith will be fine on saturday for families to visit with no disruption.
I would like to think they arent paying overtime and have enough police in dorset on duty for a bank holiday weekend. Bournemouth echo are you going to do a freedom of information request on this as it is surely in the public interest to see how well staffed they had planneed to be on this bank holiday weekend especially given they admitted to previously being unprepared for an increase in phone calls to the non emergency number. i would like to think they map resources (police officers) to demand...afterall this bank holiday isnt really a new thing is it!! Or eould this be too hard for them to comprehend. This also goes against messages posted by the policse media only yesterday that bournemoith will be fine on saturday for families to visit with no disruption. Teddy 1
  • Score: -5

10:49am Thu 21 Aug 14

ECAW99 says...

"If there is any violence on Saturday it will be started, as always, by the counter demonstrators. The EDL's marches began as family affairs until the likes of the UAF and the antifa started lobbing bottles from behind police lines."

Fartycat - And yet the above statement is true notwithstanding your ugly experience with the EDL and your links which I read. Did you read the link I provided? What did you make of it?

Let us see what happens on Saturday. It is my belief that the EDL are more sinned against than sinning.
"If there is any violence on Saturday it will be started, as always, by the counter demonstrators. The EDL's marches began as family affairs until the likes of the UAF and the antifa started lobbing bottles from behind police lines." Fartycat - And yet the above statement is true notwithstanding your ugly experience with the EDL and your links which I read. Did you read the link I provided? What did you make of it? Let us see what happens on Saturday. It is my belief that the EDL are more sinned against than sinning. ECAW99
  • Score: 13

10:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

fartycat says...

ECAW99 wrote:
If there is any violence on Saturday it will be started, as always, by the counter demonstrators. The EDL's marches began as family affairs until the likes of the UAF and the antifa started lobbing bottles from behind police lines.

If you are unaware of the sinister alliance between the hard left and the strain of Islam which rightly causes so much concern it is explained here:

http://freethoughtbl

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e/files/2013/06/Sidi

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EDL events are family affairs? Really?

The Head of Dorset EDL seems like a nice family sort of person!
http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/82
93728.EDL_members_ar
rested_over_Bournemo
uth_mosque_bomb_plot
_fears/

Again, the Head of Dorset EDL downloading child **** is I suggest, not so family friendly:

http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/9094012
.Former_Swanage_sold
ier_jailed_for_child
_abuse_images/

I witnessed the EDL march and subsequent **** up in Weymouth a few years ago. When I walked the past the pub they had decamped to for several hours I could hear a large crowd singing '"I hate P*kis more than you", it didn't sound family friendly to me. And when it was finally time for the racists to leave town staggering to their trains and minibuses there were quite a few scuffles. It's not something I'd let my family be within twenty miles of.
[quote][p][bold]ECAW99[/bold] wrote: If there is any violence on Saturday it will be started, as always, by the counter demonstrators. The EDL's marches began as family affairs until the likes of the UAF and the antifa started lobbing bottles from behind police lines. If you are unaware of the sinister alliance between the hard left and the strain of Islam which rightly causes so much concern it is explained here: http://freethoughtbl ogs.com/maryamnamazi e/files/2013/06/Sidi ngWithOpressor_Web.p df[/p][/quote]EDL events are family affairs? Really? The Head of Dorset EDL seems like a nice family sort of person! http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/82 93728.EDL_members_ar rested_over_Bournemo uth_mosque_bomb_plot _fears/ Again, the Head of Dorset EDL downloading child **** is I suggest, not so family friendly: http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/9094012 .Former_Swanage_sold ier_jailed_for_child _abuse_images/ I witnessed the EDL march and subsequent **** up in Weymouth a few years ago. When I walked the past the pub they had decamped to for several hours I could hear a large crowd singing '"I hate P*kis more than you", it didn't sound family friendly to me. And when it was finally time for the racists to leave town staggering to their trains and minibuses there were quite a few scuffles. It's not something I'd let my family be within twenty miles of. fartycat
  • Score: 11

11:01am Thu 21 Aug 14

Sir Beachy-Head says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Whether the EDL are right or wrong, they're basically demonstrating something that the average Brit is too scared to do for fear of reprisal or prosecution. Freedom of speech is long gone!
It is on this site. Stlll available at stormfront though.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Whether the EDL are right or wrong, they're basically demonstrating something that the average Brit is too scared to do for fear of reprisal or prosecution. Freedom of speech is long gone![/p][/quote]It is on this site. Stlll available at stormfront though. Sir Beachy-Head
  • Score: 1

11:11am Thu 21 Aug 14

fartycat says...

Seems as if my original post was removed, not sure why as it was only linking to Echo stories about the rather dubious past of Dorset EDL members.

ECAW99 the counter demonstration is being organised by Trade Union regional officers. They are eminently sensible people who don't have criminal records and haven't been arrested for example for threatening to bomb mosques unlike the EDL organisers. What's more, the organisation of the counter demo is transparent, the people organising can be held to account. They have had many discussions with both Police and Council, there will be trained stewards. It has been planned properly.

The EDL demo on the other hand will have none of this, they haven't named an organiser for example. On the day of the march a hundred or so EDL will turn up from out of town, find the nearest pub that will let them in, drink loads then go on the march slightly the worse for wear. They'll come back to the pub, get even drunker and then stagger off to whence they came, probably causing trouble as they do so.

Which to you sounds more safe, family friendly and organised?
Seems as if my original post was removed, not sure why as it was only linking to Echo stories about the rather dubious past of Dorset EDL members. ECAW99 the counter demonstration is being organised by Trade Union regional officers. They are eminently sensible people who don't have criminal records and haven't been arrested for example for threatening to bomb mosques unlike the EDL organisers. What's more, the organisation of the counter demo is transparent, the people organising can be held to account. They have had many discussions with both Police and Council, there will be trained stewards. It has been planned properly. The EDL demo on the other hand will have none of this, they haven't named an organiser for example. On the day of the march a hundred or so EDL will turn up from out of town, find the nearest pub that will let them in, drink loads then go on the march slightly the worse for wear. They'll come back to the pub, get even drunker and then stagger off to whence they came, probably causing trouble as they do so. Which to you sounds more safe, family friendly and organised? fartycat
  • Score: -3

11:11am Thu 21 Aug 14

rozmister says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
I would like to think they arent paying overtime and have enough police in dorset on duty for a bank holiday weekend.

Bournemouth echo are you going to do a freedom of information request on this as it is surely in the public interest to see how well staffed they had planneed to be on this bank holiday weekend especially given they admitted to previously being unprepared for an increase in phone calls to the non emergency number. i would like to think they map resources (police officers) to demand...afterall this bank holiday isnt really a new thing is it!! Or eould this be too hard for them to comprehend.

This also goes against messages posted by the policse media only yesterday that bournemoith will be fine on saturday for families to visit with no disruption.
It's not a standard bank holiday weekend though is it? We've got hundreds of bigots marching and about five minutes away hundred of anti-bigots also marching PLUS all the normal August bank holiday weekend visitors in town who need to be protected from said bigots & anti-bigots.

If the police failed to have enough officers on duty and god forbid someone died (from a crowd surge or a fight or something) people would be up in arms. What's been learnt from past events is large angry crowds are unpredictable and can be very dangerous!
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: I would like to think they arent paying overtime and have enough police in dorset on duty for a bank holiday weekend. Bournemouth echo are you going to do a freedom of information request on this as it is surely in the public interest to see how well staffed they had planneed to be on this bank holiday weekend especially given they admitted to previously being unprepared for an increase in phone calls to the non emergency number. i would like to think they map resources (police officers) to demand...afterall this bank holiday isnt really a new thing is it!! Or eould this be too hard for them to comprehend. This also goes against messages posted by the policse media only yesterday that bournemoith will be fine on saturday for families to visit with no disruption.[/p][/quote]It's not a standard bank holiday weekend though is it? We've got hundreds of bigots marching and about five minutes away hundred of anti-bigots also marching PLUS all the normal August bank holiday weekend visitors in town who need to be protected from said bigots & anti-bigots. If the police failed to have enough officers on duty and god forbid someone died (from a crowd surge or a fight or something) people would be up in arms. What's been learnt from past events is large angry crowds are unpredictable and can be very dangerous! rozmister
  • Score: 9

11:15am Thu 21 Aug 14

master plan says...

I'm not a supporter of EDL but witnessing a march a year or so in London it was the UAF who started to launch bottles of p*** and glass bottles. Later read reports that the EDL started the violence. Media paints a bad picture of one side yet both are as bad as each other!
I'm not a supporter of EDL but witnessing a march a year or so in London it was the UAF who started to launch bottles of p*** and glass bottles. Later read reports that the EDL started the violence. Media paints a bad picture of one side yet both are as bad as each other! master plan
  • Score: 15

11:24am Thu 21 Aug 14

fartycat says...

master plan wrote:
I'm not a supporter of EDL but witnessing a march a year or so in London it was the UAF who started to launch bottles of p*** and glass bottles. Later read reports that the EDL started the violence. Media paints a bad picture of one side yet both are as bad as each other!
No of course, you're not EDL but you happen to know the initials of a tiny organisation that campaigns against fascism? Pull the other one master plan!
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I'm not a supporter of EDL but witnessing a march a year or so in London it was the UAF who started to launch bottles of p*** and glass bottles. Later read reports that the EDL started the violence. Media paints a bad picture of one side yet both are as bad as each other![/p][/quote]No of course, you're not EDL but you happen to know the initials of a tiny organisation that campaigns against fascism? Pull the other one master plan! fartycat
  • Score: -6

11:26am Thu 21 Aug 14

ASM says...

Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM ASM
  • Score: 2

11:31am Thu 21 Aug 14

Sir Beachy-Head says...

ASM wrote:
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
Are you for real ?

The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.
[quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM[/p][/quote]Are you for real ? The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries. Sir Beachy-Head
  • Score: -7

11:45am Thu 21 Aug 14

master plan says...

fartycat wrote:
master plan wrote:
I'm not a supporter of EDL but witnessing a march a year or so in London it was the UAF who started to launch bottles of p*** and glass bottles. Later read reports that the EDL started the violence. Media paints a bad picture of one side yet both are as bad as each other!
No of course, you're not EDL but you happen to know the initials of a tiny organisation that campaigns against fascism? Pull the other one master plan!
BNP, NF, combat18 do I need to go on doesn't make me a supporter you idiot! Seeing as I'm of Indian descent do you think I would back there policies your a class moron!!!!
[quote][p][bold]fartycat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: I'm not a supporter of EDL but witnessing a march a year or so in London it was the UAF who started to launch bottles of p*** and glass bottles. Later read reports that the EDL started the violence. Media paints a bad picture of one side yet both are as bad as each other![/p][/quote]No of course, you're not EDL but you happen to know the initials of a tiny organisation that campaigns against fascism? Pull the other one master plan![/p][/quote]BNP, NF, combat18 do I need to go on doesn't make me a supporter you idiot! Seeing as I'm of Indian descent do you think I would back there policies your a class moron!!!! master plan
  • Score: 10

11:46am Thu 21 Aug 14

ASM says...

Sir Beachy-Head wrote:
ASM wrote:
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
Are you for real ?

The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.
They contribute to our economy and keep lots of us in work, they are much more pleasant on the eye than the EDL yobs/punters/hooliga
ns/thugs who are going to be looking to kick off on saturday
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy-Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM[/p][/quote]Are you for real ? The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.[/p][/quote]They contribute to our economy and keep lots of us in work, they are much more pleasant on the eye than the EDL yobs/punters/hooliga ns/thugs who are going to be looking to kick off on saturday ASM
  • Score: 14

11:46am Thu 21 Aug 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played.

Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton.
Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played. Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 19

11:50am Thu 21 Aug 14

BackOfTheNet says...

Sir Beachy-Head wrote:
ASM wrote:
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
Are you for real ?

The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.
I think we can easily judge Sir Beachy-Head as a supporter of the EDL :)

It's not about Islamic extremism, it's about bigotry isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy-Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM[/p][/quote]Are you for real ? The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.[/p][/quote]I think we can easily judge Sir Beachy-Head as a supporter of the EDL :) It's not about Islamic extremism, it's about bigotry isn't it? BackOfTheNet
  • Score: 7

12:13pm Thu 21 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

Sir Beachy-Head wrote:
ASM wrote:
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
Are you for real ?

The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.
And you EDL folks are still claiming you're not racists? Hmm.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy-Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM[/p][/quote]Are you for real ? The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.[/p][/quote]And you EDL folks are still claiming you're not racists? Hmm. The Liberal
  • Score: 8

12:16pm Thu 21 Aug 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

Unfortunately there will be hot heads who will make this into a violent protest and the fault will be on BOTH sides.

If the Unite, Labour Party, Green Party and other Anti Fascist League protesters really want to make an effective protest then follow these simple rules:

1. Don't march.
2. Just SILENTLY line the pavements along the EDL route.
3. As the EDL protest passes just turn around and keep your back to the march staying silent.
4. Don't be goaded into violence, whoever gets goaded into violence will be the loser.

Chances of the above happening are absolutely NIL, there will be idiots who will misbehave and it will almost certainly turn violent, just what we want on a summer family weekend :-(.

Best thing for the rest of us, avoid the town centre like the plague.

If I was the manager of The Moon in the Square I would close the doors for the day and the same goes for the rest of the town centre bars.

Still we can always pray for heavy rain I suppose which might dampen their spirits.

I will be at Chapel Gate watching Bournemouth RFC v Redruth RFC in our second pre-season friendly thank goodness.
Unfortunately there will be hot heads who will make this into a violent protest and the fault will be on BOTH sides. If the Unite, Labour Party, Green Party and other Anti Fascist League protesters really want to make an effective protest then follow these simple rules: 1. Don't march. 2. Just SILENTLY line the pavements along the EDL route. 3. As the EDL protest passes just turn around and keep your back to the march staying silent. 4. Don't be goaded into violence, whoever gets goaded into violence will be the loser. Chances of the above happening are absolutely NIL, there will be idiots who will misbehave and it will almost certainly turn violent, just what we want on a summer family weekend :-(. Best thing for the rest of us, avoid the town centre like the plague. If I was the manager of The Moon in the Square I would close the doors for the day and the same goes for the rest of the town centre bars. Still we can always pray for heavy rain I suppose which might dampen their spirits. I will be at Chapel Gate watching Bournemouth RFC v Redruth RFC in our second pre-season friendly thank goodness. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Carl Baron says...

Why NOT send the Crowd Control Bil to both trouble makers EDL & UNITE? Vote UKIP we could make Laws simpler and more effective.
Why NOT send the Crowd Control Bil to both trouble makers EDL & UNITE? Vote UKIP we could make Laws simpler and more effective. Carl Baron
  • Score: -4

12:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

Now I always thought that Unions were there to fight for the workers who fund them, not spend those funds organising anti protests marches against the EDL and creating propaganda leaflets giving out misinformation about what the EDL are actually protesting about. Having actually looked at their mission statement on their website there seems to be a completely different story being told by those Unions to it's members. Maybe some of the commentators repeating those mistruths should actually take a proper look and if you are funding these militant unions then stop doing so.

On the flipside though I do seriously fail to see what the EDL hope to achieve by organising a protest march in Bournemouth, surely they would be far better off in London, protesting to parliament rather than disrupting a seaside town on a bank holiday weekend. If they truly want to get their message across they are definitely doing it in the wrong place at the wrong time and they will lose far more than they will gain by doing so.
Now I always thought that Unions were there to fight for the workers who fund them, not spend those funds organising anti protests marches against the EDL and creating propaganda leaflets giving out misinformation about what the EDL are actually protesting about. Having actually looked at their mission statement on their website there seems to be a completely different story being told by those Unions to it's members. Maybe some of the commentators repeating those mistruths should actually take a proper look and if you are funding these militant unions then stop doing so. On the flipside though I do seriously fail to see what the EDL hope to achieve by organising a protest march in Bournemouth, surely they would be far better off in London, protesting to parliament rather than disrupting a seaside town on a bank holiday weekend. If they truly want to get their message across they are definitely doing it in the wrong place at the wrong time and they will lose far more than they will gain by doing so. Marty Caine
  • Score: -2

12:47pm Thu 21 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

The Liberal wrote:
Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.
It is difficult to finesse the difference in a few words, typically all you can fit onto a banner. But what is the difference? I suppose praying to a god is perfectly acceptable. But claiming to have had an answer and to therefore be able to tell others how to live - that, to me, crosses the line. But I dislike any organised religion. So my line is likely in a different place to many?

I'm not EDL. But I do think it is a shame they have such a shocking reputation. In this country we absolutely do need a strong political opposition to Islamic extremism. Starting with a thorough definition of what extremism includes. For example, a parent who instructs their 8yr old to have no social contact with non-Muslims because they are "not like us". Is that extremist? If so, how do we tackle that? Our politicians do not seem to want to grasp the nettles that seem to have grown in one or two places in our garden.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.[/p][/quote]It is difficult to finesse the difference in a few words, typically all you can fit onto a banner. But what is the difference? I suppose praying to a god is perfectly acceptable. But claiming to have had an answer and to therefore be able to tell others how to live - that, to me, crosses the line. But I dislike any organised religion. So my line is likely in a different place to many? I'm not EDL. But I do think it is a shame they have such a shocking reputation. In this country we absolutely do need a strong political opposition to Islamic extremism. Starting with a thorough definition of what extremism includes. For example, a parent who instructs their 8yr old to have no social contact with non-Muslims because they are "not like us". Is that extremist? If so, how do we tackle that? Our politicians do not seem to want to grasp the nettles that seem to have grown in one or two places in our garden. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 9

1:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.
It is difficult to finesse the difference in a few words, typically all you can fit onto a banner. But what is the difference? I suppose praying to a god is perfectly acceptable. But claiming to have had an answer and to therefore be able to tell others how to live - that, to me, crosses the line. But I dislike any organised religion. So my line is likely in a different place to many?

I'm not EDL. But I do think it is a shame they have such a shocking reputation. In this country we absolutely do need a strong political opposition to Islamic extremism. Starting with a thorough definition of what extremism includes. For example, a parent who instructs their 8yr old to have no social contact with non-Muslims because they are "not like us". Is that extremist? If so, how do we tackle that? Our politicians do not seem to want to grasp the nettles that seem to have grown in one or two places in our garden.
I like the 8 year old example, hits the nail on the head. As a nation, we are so weak, that includes the lefty citizens talking utter nonsense about everyone being racist. The fact is, England is a Christian country. Immigrants that choose to come here should embrace the culture, language, ethics etc, after all, they decided to come here. If I moved to Karachi/Kabul/Baghda
d and didn't adapt to their culture, I'm sure I wouldn't last very long. However, back to the original story, this is against extremism so everyone should be for it.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.[/p][/quote]It is difficult to finesse the difference in a few words, typically all you can fit onto a banner. But what is the difference? I suppose praying to a god is perfectly acceptable. But claiming to have had an answer and to therefore be able to tell others how to live - that, to me, crosses the line. But I dislike any organised religion. So my line is likely in a different place to many? I'm not EDL. But I do think it is a shame they have such a shocking reputation. In this country we absolutely do need a strong political opposition to Islamic extremism. Starting with a thorough definition of what extremism includes. For example, a parent who instructs their 8yr old to have no social contact with non-Muslims because they are "not like us". Is that extremist? If so, how do we tackle that? Our politicians do not seem to want to grasp the nettles that seem to have grown in one or two places in our garden.[/p][/quote]I like the 8 year old example, hits the nail on the head. As a nation, we are so weak, that includes the lefty citizens talking utter nonsense about everyone being racist. The fact is, England is a Christian country. Immigrants that choose to come here should embrace the culture, language, ethics etc, after all, they decided to come here. If I moved to Karachi/Kabul/Baghda d and didn't adapt to their culture, I'm sure I wouldn't last very long. However, back to the original story, this is against extremism so everyone should be for it. bogtrotter
  • Score: 12

1:04pm Thu 21 Aug 14

ASM says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
Unfortunately there will be hot heads who will make this into a violent protest and the fault will be on BOTH sides.

If the Unite, Labour Party, Green Party and other Anti Fascist League protesters really want to make an effective protest then follow these simple rules:

1. Don't march.
2. Just SILENTLY line the pavements along the EDL route.
3. As the EDL protest passes just turn around and keep your back to the march staying silent.
4. Don't be goaded into violence, whoever gets goaded into violence will be the loser.

Chances of the above happening are absolutely NIL, there will be idiots who will misbehave and it will almost certainly turn violent, just what we want on a summer family weekend :-(.

Best thing for the rest of us, avoid the town centre like the plague.

If I was the manager of The Moon in the Square I would close the doors for the day and the same goes for the rest of the town centre bars.

Still we can always pray for heavy rain I suppose which might dampen their spirits.

I will be at Chapel Gate watching Bournemouth RFC v Redruth RFC in our second pre-season friendly thank goodness.
very sensible comment and good advice to stay clear of the town centre. Leeds Utd (EDL) all over again.
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately there will be hot heads who will make this into a violent protest and the fault will be on BOTH sides. If the Unite, Labour Party, Green Party and other Anti Fascist League protesters really want to make an effective protest then follow these simple rules: 1. Don't march. 2. Just SILENTLY line the pavements along the EDL route. 3. As the EDL protest passes just turn around and keep your back to the march staying silent. 4. Don't be goaded into violence, whoever gets goaded into violence will be the loser. Chances of the above happening are absolutely NIL, there will be idiots who will misbehave and it will almost certainly turn violent, just what we want on a summer family weekend :-(. Best thing for the rest of us, avoid the town centre like the plague. If I was the manager of The Moon in the Square I would close the doors for the day and the same goes for the rest of the town centre bars. Still we can always pray for heavy rain I suppose which might dampen their spirits. I will be at Chapel Gate watching Bournemouth RFC v Redruth RFC in our second pre-season friendly thank goodness.[/p][/quote]very sensible comment and good advice to stay clear of the town centre. Leeds Utd (EDL) all over again. ASM
  • Score: 2

1:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

fartycat says...

Shame the EDL have a shocking reputation? Really?

Their former leader was just released from prison serving 6 months of an 18 month sentence for serious fraud.

The Dorset EDL leader is in jail for child ****.

Nope they certainly don't deserve their reputations!
Shame the EDL have a shocking reputation? Really? Their former leader was just released from prison serving 6 months of an 18 month sentence for serious fraud. The Dorset EDL leader is in jail for child ****. Nope they certainly don't deserve their reputations! fartycat
  • Score: 6

1:10pm Thu 21 Aug 14

rozmister says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
Unfortunately there will be hot heads who will make this into a violent protest and the fault will be on BOTH sides.

If the Unite, Labour Party, Green Party and other Anti Fascist League protesters really want to make an effective protest then follow these simple rules:

1. Don't march.
2. Just SILENTLY line the pavements along the EDL route.
3. As the EDL protest passes just turn around and keep your back to the march staying silent.
4. Don't be goaded into violence, whoever gets goaded into violence will be the loser.

Chances of the above happening are absolutely NIL, there will be idiots who will misbehave and it will almost certainly turn violent, just what we want on a summer family weekend :-(.

Best thing for the rest of us, avoid the town centre like the plague.

If I was the manager of The Moon in the Square I would close the doors for the day and the same goes for the rest of the town centre bars.

Still we can always pray for heavy rain I suppose which might dampen their spirits.

I will be at Chapel Gate watching Bournemouth RFC v Redruth RFC in our second pre-season friendly thank goodness.
I wouldn't turn my back on a large crowd which includes lots of ex-football hooligans. That's beyond foolish!
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately there will be hot heads who will make this into a violent protest and the fault will be on BOTH sides. If the Unite, Labour Party, Green Party and other Anti Fascist League protesters really want to make an effective protest then follow these simple rules: 1. Don't march. 2. Just SILENTLY line the pavements along the EDL route. 3. As the EDL protest passes just turn around and keep your back to the march staying silent. 4. Don't be goaded into violence, whoever gets goaded into violence will be the loser. Chances of the above happening are absolutely NIL, there will be idiots who will misbehave and it will almost certainly turn violent, just what we want on a summer family weekend :-(. Best thing for the rest of us, avoid the town centre like the plague. If I was the manager of The Moon in the Square I would close the doors for the day and the same goes for the rest of the town centre bars. Still we can always pray for heavy rain I suppose which might dampen their spirits. I will be at Chapel Gate watching Bournemouth RFC v Redruth RFC in our second pre-season friendly thank goodness.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't turn my back on a large crowd which includes lots of ex-football hooligans. That's beyond foolish! rozmister
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Thu 21 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played.

Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton.
Ok trainspotter,

Please name these clubs that you say only allow entry to foreign nationals, I'd like to know more about this.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played. Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton.[/p][/quote]Ok trainspotter, Please name these clubs that you say only allow entry to foreign nationals, I'd like to know more about this. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 10

1:26pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Luk392 says...

Sir Beachy-Head wrote:
ASM wrote:
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
Are you for real ?

The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.
Quality mate, what time we meeting Saturday? !! :P
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy-Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM[/p][/quote]Are you for real ? The town centre is ruined by foreign students. The place looks like a filthy refugee camp just without the red cross throwing bags of rice off of lorries.[/p][/quote]Quality mate, what time we meeting Saturday? !! :P Luk392
  • Score: -6

1:33pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

Perhaps the people of England (The real English) should stand up against immigration, stand up against Islam rather than hide behind the world of political correctness.
We are told we can't say this or can't say that in case we upset "our ethnic friends", well no one worries when they upset us do they by trying to take the world over forcing their beliefs on us, bomb us, kill us and whatever else the Psychotic religion tells them to do!
This is a free world of speech, well it was but it seems everyone else can have that barring us English!
I would like our country back, which is a world away. The country is totally screwed up, I bet a penny to a pound that the "Islamic State" so called "British" will want to come back to our country after they have finished trying to kill us!
And no I am not EDL, just an Englishman that get's fed up of the state we have let our country get into and not afraid to speak my mind and use my right of free speech! Perhaps if more of us did this then the likes of EDL wouldn't have to march in our town!
Perhaps the people of England (The real English) should stand up against immigration, stand up against Islam rather than hide behind the world of political correctness. We are told we can't say this or can't say that in case we upset "our ethnic friends", well no one worries when they upset us do they by trying to take the world over forcing their beliefs on us, bomb us, kill us and whatever else the Psychotic religion tells them to do! This is a free world of speech, well it was but it seems everyone else can have that barring us English! I would like our country back, which is a world away. The country is totally screwed up, I bet a penny to a pound that the "Islamic State" so called "British" will want to come back to our country after they have finished trying to kill us! And no I am not EDL, just an Englishman that get's fed up of the state we have let our country get into and not afraid to speak my mind and use my right of free speech! Perhaps if more of us did this then the likes of EDL wouldn't have to march in our town! DansAFCB
  • Score: 3

1:40pm Thu 21 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

speedy231278 wrote:
It's a shame we don't get extra Police drafted in at the weekends to help curb the usual antisocial behaviour of all the drunks on Friday and Saturday nights in the Old Christchurch Road/Horseshoe Common area. I guess they don't bother as it won't be covered in the news, and therefore has no publicity value. It would be nice if there wasn't hooliganism in the area all the time, not just the odd Bank Holiday weekend where a few chums can be brought in for a nice spot of overtime near the beach!
I don't go out into Bournemouth that often anymore, maybe once a month but everytime I go I always see a large police presence stationed at horseshoe common, can't remember when I was out last when I haven't seen that. There are always plenty of patrol cars going up and down Old Christchurch road and Holdenhurst Road.

The majority of bmth is actually not that bad, there is a very busy choke point between Walkabout and FYEO but that's about it.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: It's a shame we don't get extra Police drafted in at the weekends to help curb the usual antisocial behaviour of all the drunks on Friday and Saturday nights in the Old Christchurch Road/Horseshoe Common area. I guess they don't bother as it won't be covered in the news, and therefore has no publicity value. It would be nice if there wasn't hooliganism in the area all the time, not just the odd Bank Holiday weekend where a few chums can be brought in for a nice spot of overtime near the beach![/p][/quote]I don't go out into Bournemouth that often anymore, maybe once a month but everytime I go I always see a large police presence stationed at horseshoe common, can't remember when I was out last when I haven't seen that. There are always plenty of patrol cars going up and down Old Christchurch road and Holdenhurst Road. The majority of bmth is actually not that bad, there is a very busy choke point between Walkabout and FYEO but that's about it. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 6

1:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

forest-dweller says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Ban the lot of them. Democracy does not come into it if they are enticing racism and violence. English Defence League are anti everything and everyone who is not English.
Can we have a peaceful weekend.
Looking at things from a dispassionate view, you cannot ban everything just because you don't like the message. Until they are proscribed, the EDL have a right to do what they do. The ones who probably should get banned is UAF as they are trying to repress freedom of speech because they don't agree with the message. As for being peaceful, both sides seem to be as bad as each other.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Ban the lot of them. Democracy does not come into it if they are enticing racism and violence. English Defence League are anti everything and everyone who is not English. Can we have a peaceful weekend.[/p][/quote]Looking at things from a dispassionate view, you cannot ban everything just because you don't like the message. Until they are proscribed, the EDL have a right to do what they do. The ones who probably should get banned is UAF as they are trying to repress freedom of speech because they don't agree with the message. As for being peaceful, both sides seem to be as bad as each other. forest-dweller
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Thu 21 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…' The Liberal
  • Score: 4

2:22pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

The last EDL march I saw was violent and the main chant to them was 'Nazi scum off our streets' from the p***ed off local residents.
The last EDL march I saw was violent and the main chant to them was 'Nazi scum off our streets' from the p***ed off local residents. Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 8

2:22pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Butterfly Collector says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
politicaltrainspotte

r
wrote:
Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played.

Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton.
Ok trainspotter,

Please name these clubs that you say only allow entry to foreign nationals, I'd like to know more about this.
Its called "Travlaspor"
Members only "club"
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played. Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton.[/p][/quote]Ok trainspotter, Please name these clubs that you say only allow entry to foreign nationals, I'd like to know more about this.[/p][/quote]Its called "Travlaspor" Members only "club" Butterfly Collector
  • Score: -2

2:30pm Thu 21 Aug 14

benny17 says...

i'm all for free speech, but this is hatred, bigoted & racist propaganda. the protest marches will only cause trouble.
If only we could not publicize it, i'm sure the couple of hundred thug marching from the moon on the square to the beach would just look like a few stag parties had joined forces for a giggle if no one knew what was going on.
We need to ignore these children, as all they want is the attention they now have.
i'm all for free speech, but this is hatred, bigoted & racist propaganda. the protest marches will only cause trouble. If only we could not publicize it, i'm sure the couple of hundred thug marching from the moon on the square to the beach would just look like a few stag parties had joined forces for a giggle if no one knew what was going on. We need to ignore these children, as all they want is the attention they now have. benny17
  • Score: 5

2:58pm Thu 21 Aug 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

rozmister says...I wouldn't turn my back on a large crowd which includes lots of ex-football hooligans. That's beyond foolish!

You'll be perfectly safe because the police will be out in force and videoing everything and both sets of protagonists know it, the problems will come after the marches when small groups will be dispersed all over town, that's when things will flare up.
rozmister says...I wouldn't turn my back on a large crowd which includes lots of ex-football hooligans. That's beyond foolish! You'll be perfectly safe because the police will be out in force and videoing everything and both sets of protagonists know it, the problems will come after the marches when small groups will be dispersed all over town, that's when things will flare up. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 4

3:01pm Thu 21 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

fartycat wrote:
Shame the EDL have a shocking reputation? Really?

Their former leader was just released from prison serving 6 months of an 18 month sentence for serious fraud.

The Dorset EDL leader is in jail for child ****.

Nope they certainly don't deserve their reputations!
I didn't say their reputation was wrong. Or unearned. Or whether actions of some of their leaders reflects on all of their followers or ideas (members of parliament not so great there either?) I meant it is a shame we do not have a robust and morally defensible body (not the EDL) that will oppose specific aspects of and ideology that is against our collective best interests. Choosing my words quite carefully.
The Quilliam Foundation is one I suppose? Though they tend to operate quietly. Compared to EDL!
[quote][p][bold]fartycat[/bold] wrote: Shame the EDL have a shocking reputation? Really? Their former leader was just released from prison serving 6 months of an 18 month sentence for serious fraud. The Dorset EDL leader is in jail for child ****. Nope they certainly don't deserve their reputations![/p][/quote]I didn't say their reputation was wrong. Or unearned. Or whether actions of some of their leaders reflects on all of their followers or ideas (members of parliament not so great there either?) I meant it is a shame we do not have a robust and morally defensible body (not the EDL) that will oppose specific aspects of and ideology that is against our collective best interests. Choosing my words quite carefully. The Quilliam Foundation is one I suppose? Though they tend to operate quietly. Compared to EDL! PokesdownMark
  • Score: 5

3:04pm Thu 21 Aug 14

rozmister says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
rozmister says...I wouldn't turn my back on a large crowd which includes lots of ex-football hooligans. That's beyond foolish!

You'll be perfectly safe because the police will be out in force and videoing everything and both sets of protagonists know it, the problems will come after the marches when small groups will be dispersed all over town, that's when things will flare up.
I was in the crowd at the first student march in the autumn of 2010 right by the Tory headquarters when they started trying to invade the buildings. There were police & neutral observers everywhere filming what was going on but it only took seconds for chaos to break out and them to smash every window in a neighbouring ad agency and about 8 out the front of the Tory headquarters. The police and neutral observers won't put everyone off, some people don't care if they get caught because their criminal record is lready longer than my arm!
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: rozmister says...I wouldn't turn my back on a large crowd which includes lots of ex-football hooligans. That's beyond foolish! You'll be perfectly safe because the police will be out in force and videoing everything and both sets of protagonists know it, the problems will come after the marches when small groups will be dispersed all over town, that's when things will flare up.[/p][/quote]I was in the crowd at the first student march in the autumn of 2010 right by the Tory headquarters when they started trying to invade the buildings. There were police & neutral observers everywhere filming what was going on but it only took seconds for chaos to break out and them to smash every window in a neighbouring ad agency and about 8 out the front of the Tory headquarters. The police and neutral observers won't put everyone off, some people don't care if they get caught because their criminal record is lready longer than my arm! rozmister
  • Score: 2

3:05pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it! DansAFCB
  • Score: 9

3:15pm Thu 21 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
That may be aimed at me? There is such a range of views I think it is valid to try and place oneself on the wide spectrum of positions. And also try to distance oneself from automatic exclusion based on a false assumption.

I do assure you that I am not a bigot. I have very liberal views on the extent to which govt should keep out of peoples business. I just extend that to religious governance too. But bigoted? No far from it. Though on that one point, I do really struggle to understand the liberal inability to see that certain ideas, religious or otherwise, have potential to be lethal. Surely without doubt? And on that basis ideas exist that must be opposed. If those ideas are religious in character,either inherently or by cloak, then we give them a free pass with the very greatest of peril.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]That may be aimed at me? There is such a range of views I think it is valid to try and place oneself on the wide spectrum of positions. And also try to distance oneself from automatic exclusion based on a false assumption. I do assure you that I am not a bigot. I have very liberal views on the extent to which govt should keep out of peoples business. I just extend that to religious governance too. But bigoted? No far from it. Though on that one point, I do really struggle to understand the liberal inability to see that certain ideas, religious or otherwise, have potential to be lethal. Surely without doubt? And on that basis ideas exist that must be opposed. If those ideas are religious in character,either inherently or by cloak, then we give them a free pass with the very greatest of peril. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 7

3:34pm Thu 21 Aug 14

rozmister says...

DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist. rozmister
  • Score: 1

3:47pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Eyes wide shut!!!
I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence.
Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see!
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Eyes wide shut!!! I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence. Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see! DansAFCB
  • Score: 2

4:13pm Thu 21 Aug 14

ECAW99 says...

The Liberal - Here's a surprise for you. I support the EDL and am against Islam whereas they are, as they say, just against extreme Islam.

The reason I should say such a shocking thing is because I think it a false distinction. ISIS and Boko Haram, for instance, are called extremists but they are not. If you are familiar with the teachings and example of Mohammed you must notice how closely they follow both. I don't say their Islam is the true Islam but it is a very genuine form of it and appears to me very close to Mohammed's original Islam. It also clearly appears that way to the many jihadis from the West who flock to Iraq in order to further the cause of bringing the whole world under Islam, an aim which is not hidden in the Koran.

I invite you to look at this link with its message from the ex Bishop of Mosul and consider whether you have been missing the bigger picture:

http://rorate-caeli.
blogspot.com/2014/08
/archbishop-of-mosul
-i-have-lost-my.html
The Liberal - Here's a surprise for you. I support the EDL and am against Islam whereas they are, as they say, just against extreme Islam. The reason I should say such a shocking thing is because I think it a false distinction. ISIS and Boko Haram, for instance, are called extremists but they are not. If you are familiar with the teachings and example of Mohammed you must notice how closely they follow both. I don't say their Islam is the true Islam but it is a very genuine form of it and appears to me very close to Mohammed's original Islam. It also clearly appears that way to the many jihadis from the West who flock to Iraq in order to further the cause of bringing the whole world under Islam, an aim which is not hidden in the Koran. I invite you to look at this link with its message from the ex Bishop of Mosul and consider whether you have been missing the bigger picture: http://rorate-caeli. blogspot.com/2014/08 /archbishop-of-mosul -i-have-lost-my.html ECAW99
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Thu 21 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

Butterfly Collector wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
politicaltrainspotte


r
wrote:
Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played.

Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton.
Ok trainspotter,

Please name these clubs that you say only allow entry to foreign nationals, I'd like to know more about this.
Its called "Travlaspor"
Members only "club"
A few quick Google searches tells me that Tavla Spor is a local Div.4 Sunday league football club.

Is that what you are going on about? The local Turkish community getting together and forming a football club?
[quote][p][bold]Butterfly Collector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Walk along Christchurch Road towards Pokesdown and you will see two clubs that will only allow in foreign nationals only.One is Turkish.Is that racism ? Could I open an all British membership club of course I couldn't without the racist card being played. Adan Choudhury of the Dorset Race Equality was quick to condem the EDL but not once did he condem those individuals who abused and displayed offensive banners when the troops paraded in Luton.[/p][/quote]Ok trainspotter, Please name these clubs that you say only allow entry to foreign nationals, I'd like to know more about this.[/p][/quote]Its called "Travlaspor" Members only "club"[/p][/quote]A few quick Google searches tells me that Tavla Spor is a local Div.4 Sunday league football club. Is that what you are going on about? The local Turkish community getting together and forming a football club? boardsandphotos
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Thu 21 Aug 14

rozmister says...

DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Eyes wide shut!!!
I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence.
Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see!
Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH.

I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't.

60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Eyes wide shut!!! I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence. Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see![/p][/quote]Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH. I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't. 60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference. rozmister
  • Score: 5

4:37pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam.
I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it!
In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!?
They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.
The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam. I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it! In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!? They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see. DansAFCB
  • Score: -2

4:39pm Thu 21 Aug 14

user_name says...

rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Well said. user_name
  • Score: 6

4:39pm Thu 21 Aug 14

user_name says...

rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Well said. user_name
  • Score: 5

4:42pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

ECAW99 wrote:
The Liberal - Here's a surprise for you. I support the EDL and am against Islam whereas they are, as they say, just against extreme Islam.

The reason I should say such a shocking thing is because I think it a false distinction. ISIS and Boko Haram, for instance, are called extremists but they are not. If you are familiar with the teachings and example of Mohammed you must notice how closely they follow both. I don't say their Islam is the true Islam but it is a very genuine form of it and appears to me very close to Mohammed's original Islam. It also clearly appears that way to the many jihadis from the West who flock to Iraq in order to further the cause of bringing the whole world under Islam, an aim which is not hidden in the Koran.

I invite you to look at this link with its message from the ex Bishop of Mosul and consider whether you have been missing the bigger picture:

http://rorate-caeli.

blogspot.com/2014/08

/archbishop-of-mosul

-i-have-lost-my.html
**** good link!
[quote][p][bold]ECAW99[/bold] wrote: The Liberal - Here's a surprise for you. I support the EDL and am against Islam whereas they are, as they say, just against extreme Islam. The reason I should say such a shocking thing is because I think it a false distinction. ISIS and Boko Haram, for instance, are called extremists but they are not. If you are familiar with the teachings and example of Mohammed you must notice how closely they follow both. I don't say their Islam is the true Islam but it is a very genuine form of it and appears to me very close to Mohammed's original Islam. It also clearly appears that way to the many jihadis from the West who flock to Iraq in order to further the cause of bringing the whole world under Islam, an aim which is not hidden in the Koran. I invite you to look at this link with its message from the ex Bishop of Mosul and consider whether you have been missing the bigger picture: http://rorate-caeli. blogspot.com/2014/08 /archbishop-of-mosul -i-have-lost-my.html[/p][/quote]**** good link! DansAFCB
  • Score: -2

4:44pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

DansAFCB wrote:
ECAW99 wrote:
The Liberal - Here's a surprise for you. I support the EDL and am against Islam whereas they are, as they say, just against extreme Islam.

The reason I should say such a shocking thing is because I think it a false distinction. ISIS and Boko Haram, for instance, are called extremists but they are not. If you are familiar with the teachings and example of Mohammed you must notice how closely they follow both. I don't say their Islam is the true Islam but it is a very genuine form of it and appears to me very close to Mohammed's original Islam. It also clearly appears that way to the many jihadis from the West who flock to Iraq in order to further the cause of bringing the whole world under Islam, an aim which is not hidden in the Koran.

I invite you to look at this link with its message from the ex Bishop of Mosul and consider whether you have been missing the bigger picture:

http://rorate-caeli.


blogspot.com/2014/08


/archbishop-of-mosul


-i-have-lost-my.html
**** good link!
It should say D4mn
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ECAW99[/bold] wrote: The Liberal - Here's a surprise for you. I support the EDL and am against Islam whereas they are, as they say, just against extreme Islam. The reason I should say such a shocking thing is because I think it a false distinction. ISIS and Boko Haram, for instance, are called extremists but they are not. If you are familiar with the teachings and example of Mohammed you must notice how closely they follow both. I don't say their Islam is the true Islam but it is a very genuine form of it and appears to me very close to Mohammed's original Islam. It also clearly appears that way to the many jihadis from the West who flock to Iraq in order to further the cause of bringing the whole world under Islam, an aim which is not hidden in the Koran. I invite you to look at this link with its message from the ex Bishop of Mosul and consider whether you have been missing the bigger picture: http://rorate-caeli. blogspot.com/2014/08 /archbishop-of-mosul -i-have-lost-my.html[/p][/quote]**** good link![/p][/quote]It should say D4mn DansAFCB
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Eyes wide shut!!!
I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence.
Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see!
Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH.

I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't.

60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.
The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam.
I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it!
In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!?
They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Eyes wide shut!!! I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence. Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see![/p][/quote]Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH. I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't. 60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.[/p][/quote]The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam. I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it! In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!? They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see. DansAFCB
  • Score: -9

4:52pm Thu 21 Aug 14

rozmister says...

DansAFCB wrote:
The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam.
I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it!
In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!?
They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.
The ones I've spoken to live here, full time. They have businesses, families and are perfectly pleasant. I don't know what you work as but I wonder if you'd still have your job if your employers knew the kind of racist beliefs you hold?

Plenty of people on council estates aren't on the fiddle, plenty just receive a lot of money out of the benefit system which isn't illegal. Some of the worse people for scamming the system don't live in council estates - they sit in the House of Lords & House of Commons. Take a walk through either of those buildings and see Britain's finest - white, middle class men on the take for everything they get even though they are already extremely wealthy. But that's ok right because they were fortunate enough to be born here?
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam. I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it! In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!? They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.[/p][/quote]The ones I've spoken to live here, full time. They have businesses, families and are perfectly pleasant. I don't know what you work as but I wonder if you'd still have your job if your employers knew the kind of racist beliefs you hold? Plenty of people on council estates aren't on the fiddle, plenty just receive a lot of money out of the benefit system which isn't illegal. Some of the worse people for scamming the system don't live in council estates - they sit in the House of Lords & House of Commons. Take a walk through either of those buildings and see Britain's finest - white, middle class men on the take for everything they get even though they are already extremely wealthy. But that's ok right because they were fortunate enough to be born here? rozmister
  • Score: 9

4:56pm Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Rozmister. Try living in London and having the same opinions. Maybe Woolwich where Lee Rigby RIP had his head chopped off. You must've lived a very sheltered life. Lucky you.
Rozmister. Try living in London and having the same opinions. Maybe Woolwich where Lee Rigby RIP had his head chopped off. You must've lived a very sheltered life. Lucky you. bogtrotter
  • Score: -3

5:25pm Thu 21 Aug 14

user_name says...

DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Eyes wide shut!!!
I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence.
Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see!
Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH.

I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't.

60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.
The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam.
I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it!
In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!?
They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.
You have taken it to a new level of bigotry. The area I work is very multi cultural and all of the Pakistanis and Indian people are lovely, hard working and always polite. Not the same can be said for a large number of the English born who gather around and often behave like animals.
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Eyes wide shut!!! I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence. Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see![/p][/quote]Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH. I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't. 60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.[/p][/quote]The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam. I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it! In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!? They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.[/p][/quote]You have taken it to a new level of bigotry. The area I work is very multi cultural and all of the Pakistanis and Indian people are lovely, hard working and always polite. Not the same can be said for a large number of the English born who gather around and often behave like animals. user_name
  • Score: 10

5:45pm Thu 21 Aug 14

BackOfTheNet says...

I'm a big fan of posts that claim "you'd all be as racist as me if..."

No. I wouldn't.

I actually talk to people without a preconceived idea and I also don't make any judgement about them on their skin colour or religion.

Is it ok to call those that do so racist bigots, or is that against your human rights? ;)
I'm a big fan of posts that claim "you'd all be as racist as me if..." No. I wouldn't. I actually talk to people without a preconceived idea and I also don't make any judgement about them on their skin colour or religion. Is it ok to call those that do so racist bigots, or is that against your human rights? ;) BackOfTheNet
  • Score: 6

7:12pm Thu 21 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
I'm not sure which is more scary, your racism or your ignorance.

http://www.stfrancis
jebelali.ae - St Francis Church, Dubai.

There were 3000 people in that Church during Easter Mass, openly celebrating a religion that was not Islam. Shock! Horror!

Now, tell me again why Muslims shouldn't be able to build a mosque in the UK?
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]I'm not sure which is more scary, your racism or your ignorance. http://www.stfrancis jebelali.ae - St Francis Church, Dubai. There were 3000 people in that Church during Easter Mass, openly celebrating a religion that was not Islam. Shock! Horror! Now, tell me again why Muslims shouldn't be able to build a mosque in the UK? boardsandphotos
  • Score: 7

7:52pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Miss not so subtle says...

' Many have..little work experience or schooling, do not understand British laws or even the customs of common decency, and are incapable of functioning within British Society. Some are criminals. Some are benefit scroungers. Some are just there to cause trouble.'

An apt description of EDL supporters taken from their own website?
Ironically, this is meant to be 'the immigrant ',not a self appraisal!
' Many have..little work experience or schooling, do not understand British laws or even the customs of common decency, and are incapable of functioning within British Society. Some are criminals. Some are benefit scroungers. Some are just there to cause trouble.' An apt description of EDL supporters taken from their own website? Ironically, this is meant to be 'the immigrant ',not a self appraisal! Miss not so subtle
  • Score: 6

7:58pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Mango man says...

Tripod wrote:
Who pick-up the bill for all this extra Police Bank-Holiday Weekend Overtime? Oops, silly question!
The only extra payment in terms of overtime will be Bank Holiday Monday, not on the day of the marches. Get your facts straight
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: Who pick-up the bill for all this extra Police Bank-Holiday Weekend Overtime? Oops, silly question![/p][/quote]The only extra payment in terms of overtime will be Bank Holiday Monday, not on the day of the marches. Get your facts straight Mango man
  • Score: 2

8:08pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Baysider says...

DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Eyes wide shut!!!
I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence.
Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see!
Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH.

I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't.

60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.
The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam.
I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it!
In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!?
They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.
One would hope that the Echo would take steps to remove your disgustingly racist and bigoted views from here perminently. Sadly you will be back spouting your ignorant, ugly, outdated, views in support of your beloved UKIP as usual whenever you get the next opportunity.
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Eyes wide shut!!! I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence. Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see![/p][/quote]Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH. I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't. 60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.[/p][/quote]The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam. I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it! In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!? They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.[/p][/quote]One would hope that the Echo would take steps to remove your disgustingly racist and bigoted views from here perminently. Sadly you will be back spouting your ignorant, ugly, outdated, views in support of your beloved UKIP as usual whenever you get the next opportunity. Baysider
  • Score: 9

8:39pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DansAFCB says...

Baysider wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
rozmister wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None.

Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes.

And for the record yes you are racist.
Eyes wide shut!!!
I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence.
Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see!
Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH.

I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't.

60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.
The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam.
I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it!
In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!?
They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.
One would hope that the Echo would take steps to remove your disgustingly racist and bigoted views from here perminently. Sadly you will be back spouting your ignorant, ugly, outdated, views in support of your beloved UKIP as usual whenever you get the next opportunity.
Not so sure why the comments should or would be removed. They are my opinions and facts. Oh of course my freedom of speech has been taken away just like our country of England is by these extremists. Did you see the news tonight that these so called "British" Muslims have been out supporting IS and are all slowly on the way back to our shores.
Not being funny but if a dog is born in a barn does it make it a horse? I think not!
Wake up and smell the coffee, see what is happening right under our noses.
As I say call me what you like bigot, racist whatever you so wish but my opinions will NOT change, I just hope you see (and other posters of differential opinions) what lays before your eyes before it's too late.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]The government don't 'allow' abuses of the benefit system - they either prosecute because it's illegal or they leave it because it's not. Being 'PC' doesnt' come into it. As for mosque building, yeh they're popping up everywhere look how many are in Bournemouth & Poole...two. How much trouble have they caused in our community preaching hate? None. Foreign people don't bother me in the slightest, British people emigrate all over the world and behave appallingly just look at the Costa Del Sol. Foreign people are, on the whole, just like us but speak a slightly different language, like slightly different food and wear different clothes. And for the record yes you are racist.[/p][/quote]Eyes wide shut!!! I am afraid they are a completely different species. So you think it is OK to go around blowing innocent people to pieces due to what ISLAM says to you? There is no defence. Not all Islamic's are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are ISLAMIC! The more of them that come to our area the more trouble you'll see![/p][/quote]Well in that case I assume you hate all Irish people, after all the IRA blew up innocent people due to being IRISH. I've met plenty of Muslims, they're perfectly ordinary pleasant people who choose to pray to a God when I don't. 60 years ago people proclaimed black people were 'a different species' when they emigrated to Britain, then we had an influx of Asian immigrants it was declared they too were a 'different species', now we've got an influx of Muslims and what a surprise - they too are a different species. Please get out a dictionary and check out the definition of species - human is one kind of species and all the difference nationalities and religions are just shades of slight difference.[/p][/quote]The difference is that ISLAM go by a bit of paper in a book and want to rule the world according to the Koran. The wars around the world are all involving and connected to Islam. I am quite aware of the word species hence why I used it! In my profession I come across one hell of a lot of Muslims (to inc Pakistani, Indians etc) and I can tell you now that I have not met an honest one yet. They would all lie and all turn like a pack of Wolves, they claim racial discrimination, talk in their own gibberish about you and really are NOT nice pleasant people. Perhaps the ones you have spoken too have got on a flight recently!? They claim benefits, don't declare their earnings and the comment you made about abusing benefits makes me think you are totally deluded. The benefit system is so used and abused I couldn't begin to tell you, all you need to do is walk onto your local council estate to see.[/p][/quote]One would hope that the Echo would take steps to remove your disgustingly racist and bigoted views from here perminently. Sadly you will be back spouting your ignorant, ugly, outdated, views in support of your beloved UKIP as usual whenever you get the next opportunity.[/p][/quote]Not so sure why the comments should or would be removed. They are my opinions and facts. Oh of course my freedom of speech has been taken away just like our country of England is by these extremists. Did you see the news tonight that these so called "British" Muslims have been out supporting IS and are all slowly on the way back to our shores. Not being funny but if a dog is born in a barn does it make it a horse? I think not! Wake up and smell the coffee, see what is happening right under our noses. As I say call me what you like bigot, racist whatever you so wish but my opinions will NOT change, I just hope you see (and other posters of differential opinions) what lays before your eyes before it's too late. DansAFCB
  • Score: -7

9:43pm Thu 21 Aug 14

aquasplash3 says...

There's good and bad in all walks of life.
There's good and bad in all walks of life. aquasplash3
  • Score: 1

11:05pm Thu 21 Aug 14

RM says...

ASM wrote:
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
How many times? Islam is NOT a race, it is a religion.
[quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM[/p][/quote]How many times? Islam is NOT a race, it is a religion. RM
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Thu 21 Aug 14

MrNobody says...

If people knew their history then they would realise that religious extremism has always been prevalent. Around the middle ages we were predominantly catholic and those who weren’t, such as jews, were persecuted and European countries tried to enforce ‘christianity’ farther afield in countries such as Palestine via the crusades . Later in history and over a few centuries and much bloodshed we then transitioned into a predominantly protestant country but not before many wars were fought with European catholic countries and much persecution on both sides within our own country.

Fortunately, both our country and Europe have, in the main, socially evolved to the extent that people of different religions can live together without killing each other simply because they believe in different things. The following statement may seem contentious but I really do believe that the violence and tribalism we see in the Middle East and Africa is because many have not socially evolved to the same extent. What we see in these regions is no different to what happened throughout Europe for the most part of the early to mid 20th Century. If you take Iraq for example, a power struggle between the Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims similar to Protestant and Catholics as aforementioned but the struggle in Iraq has been extremely complicated by “the west” shifting support (and thus power) between the two factions simply destabilises the country further.

So what can be done? I’m just a simple Dorset folk so I don’t know the answer to that. However I do know that the “western world” continually intervening in wars and trying to enforce “our way of living” to countries in the Middle East and Africa is only ever going to cause further trouble.

It could also be said that the reason some countries in these regions have not socially evolved to the extent that people, in the main, are prepared to live and let live, is because of constant intervention by the western world in order that we can exploit natural resources within the region, such as oil.

If we stopped our meddling in these countries now, would it end all the violence, I don’t know but I doubt it. Although I definitely think we need to do as little as possible to allow these regions to find their own way. I really do not believe the majority of people living in these countries want to live under such tyrannical organisations such as the Islamist State whose beliefs are set in stone from a period around 675AD and they believe that Islam beliefs based after Mohammed around 6000AD are morally corrupt. There will most probably be lots of bloodshed now and during the foreseeable future but the masses in these regions will rise up and kick out the IS at some point and then socially evolve in their own way if they are given the chance without “western” meddling.

As for the EDL, I am sympathetic to the origins of why they were founded after some Islamists protested and shouted obscenities against troops parading in the streets of Luton on their homecoming from a tour of duty. I am also sympathetic to their stance about people in our country becoming “brainwashed” to pre-medieval ideology. However, if you scratch the surface it is very clear that the original EDL founding movement has been overwhelmed and taken over by the far right. Take me for example, I consider myself to have socialist views and you only have to look at their various literature and conversations on social media outlets (and this thread) to see they take a dim view of people with my political beliefs. So as for the EDL being non political, I don’t think so.

If, and it’s a big if, militant islamism took a hold in this country and things like Sharia law were enforced upon people then I would fight it, even if that meant taking up arms. However I would not fight shoulder to shoulder with many of those that follow under the EDL umbrella because, as much as I detest islamist extremism, I detest far right extremist just as much (and the same applies to the far left).

The most progressive step anyone can take in their life is to challenge all religion and arrive at your own conclusion without outside influence.
If people knew their history then they would realise that religious extremism has always been prevalent. Around the middle ages we were predominantly catholic and those who weren’t, such as jews, were persecuted and European countries tried to enforce ‘christianity’ farther afield in countries such as Palestine via the crusades . Later in history and over a few centuries and much bloodshed we then transitioned into a predominantly protestant country but not before many wars were fought with European catholic countries and much persecution on both sides within our own country. Fortunately, both our country and Europe have, in the main, socially evolved to the extent that people of different religions can live together without killing each other simply because they believe in different things. The following statement may seem contentious but I really do believe that the violence and tribalism we see in the Middle East and Africa is because many have not socially evolved to the same extent. What we see in these regions is no different to what happened throughout Europe for the most part of the early to mid 20th Century. If you take Iraq for example, a power struggle between the Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims similar to Protestant and Catholics as aforementioned but the struggle in Iraq has been extremely complicated by “the west” shifting support (and thus power) between the two factions simply destabilises the country further. So what can be done? I’m just a simple Dorset folk so I don’t know the answer to that. However I do know that the “western world” continually intervening in wars and trying to enforce “our way of living” to countries in the Middle East and Africa is only ever going to cause further trouble. It could also be said that the reason some countries in these regions have not socially evolved to the extent that people, in the main, are prepared to live and let live, is because of constant intervention by the western world in order that we can exploit natural resources within the region, such as oil. If we stopped our meddling in these countries now, would it end all the violence, I don’t know but I doubt it. Although I definitely think we need to do as little as possible to allow these regions to find their own way. I really do not believe the majority of people living in these countries want to live under such tyrannical organisations such as the Islamist State whose beliefs are set in stone from a period around 675AD and they believe that Islam beliefs based after Mohammed around 6000AD are morally corrupt. There will most probably be lots of bloodshed now and during the foreseeable future but the masses in these regions will rise up and kick out the IS at some point and then socially evolve in their own way if they are given the chance without “western” meddling. As for the EDL, I am sympathetic to the origins of why they were founded after some Islamists protested and shouted obscenities against troops parading in the streets of Luton on their homecoming from a tour of duty. I am also sympathetic to their stance about people in our country becoming “brainwashed” to pre-medieval ideology. However, if you scratch the surface it is very clear that the original EDL founding movement has been overwhelmed and taken over by the far right. Take me for example, I consider myself to have socialist views and you only have to look at their various literature and conversations on social media outlets (and this thread) to see they take a dim view of people with my political beliefs. So as for the EDL being non political, I don’t think so. If, and it’s a big if, militant islamism took a hold in this country and things like Sharia law were enforced upon people then I would fight it, even if that meant taking up arms. However I would not fight shoulder to shoulder with many of those that follow under the EDL umbrella because, as much as I detest islamist extremism, I detest far right extremist just as much (and the same applies to the far left). The most progressive step anyone can take in their life is to challenge all religion and arrive at your own conclusion without outside influence. MrNobody
  • Score: 3

12:11am Fri 22 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

RM wrote:
ASM wrote:
Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM
How many times? Islam is NOT a race, it is a religion.
For some of them you could say it a million times and they would still think you are the crazy one. They have been beaten stupid by political correctness so much over the years that they have totally lost the ability to work out the most simplest things in life for themselves.

Just look at what political correctness has done to the word tolerance, it used to mean putting up with things you do not like but the LeftyLogic brigade have screamed intolerance so often, nowadays it means if you dislike something then you are intolerant.

Where exactly is the logic in that madness?
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: Isn't it horrible to have this ugly, pointless and racist protest in Bournemouth? I was just thinking how great and buzzing the town center has been recently and that is because all the foreign students in the town, this will soon be spoiled by a bunch of "it's our country, isn't it?" simpleton thugs, GET A LIFE & REGISTER FOR THE ARMY IF YOU WANT TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY AND TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISLAM[/p][/quote]How many times? Islam is NOT a race, it is a religion.[/p][/quote]For some of them you could say it a million times and they would still think you are the crazy one. They have been beaten stupid by political correctness so much over the years that they have totally lost the ability to work out the most simplest things in life for themselves. Just look at what political correctness has done to the word tolerance, it used to mean putting up with things you do not like but the LeftyLogic brigade have screamed intolerance so often, nowadays it means if you dislike something then you are intolerant. Where exactly is the logic in that madness? Marty Caine
  • Score: -2

12:44am Fri 22 Aug 14

rozmister says...

bogtrotter wrote:
Rozmister. Try living in London and having the same opinions. Maybe Woolwich where Lee Rigby RIP had his head chopped off. You must've lived a very sheltered life. Lucky you.
I'm from South London, my whole family still lives there.

I wish I'd lived a sheltered life, if I'd spent my whole life living in the predominantly white Dorset perhaps it would be much easier to swallow the EDL's rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: Rozmister. Try living in London and having the same opinions. Maybe Woolwich where Lee Rigby RIP had his head chopped off. You must've lived a very sheltered life. Lucky you.[/p][/quote]I'm from South London, my whole family still lives there. I wish I'd lived a sheltered life, if I'd spent my whole life living in the predominantly white Dorset perhaps it would be much easier to swallow the EDL's rubbish! rozmister
  • Score: 3

1:00am Fri 22 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
Yes maybe far right but I'm sure many harbour there views reference the Islamic extremists especially given what has recently happened to that American journalist !
..killed by (apparently) a British jihadist.
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: Yes maybe far right but I'm sure many harbour there views reference the Islamic extremists especially given what has recently happened to that American journalist ![/p][/quote]..killed by (apparently) a British jihadist. Yankee1
  • Score: 0

2:26am Fri 22 Aug 14

ASM says...

DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
with AFCB in your name. I'd like you to know that AFCB like all other football clubs and civil members of the public support the " Let's kick racism out of football campaign". Bournemouth have a lot of foreigners in their team. Grabban was a muslim when he scored all those goals for us last season. like I said before. JOIN THE ARMY IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT WITH ISLAM.
[quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]with AFCB in your name. I'd like you to know that AFCB like all other football clubs and civil members of the public support the " Let's kick racism out of football campaign". Bournemouth have a lot of foreigners in their team. Grabban was a muslim when he scored all those goals for us last season. like I said before. JOIN THE ARMY IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT WITH ISLAM. ASM
  • Score: 7

5:27am Fri 22 Aug 14

wadjit says...

No really, I want to know where this picture was taken. Does anyone out there know? I can't work it out. Is it Weymouth? Someone has to know? Thanks
No really, I want to know where this picture was taken. Does anyone out there know? I can't work it out. Is it Weymouth? Someone has to know? Thanks wadjit
  • Score: 0

7:17am Fri 22 Aug 14

shopper12345 says...

EDL are marching in a town full of old grey haired wrinklys.
EDL are marching in a town full of old grey haired wrinklys. shopper12345
  • Score: 0

8:43am Fri 22 Aug 14

ECAW99 says...

Mr Nobody - I agree with much of what you say, such as the disastrous effect of Western meddling in the Middle East, but I wish to present a different view on this:

"However, if you scratch the surface it is very clear that the original EDL founding movement has been overwhelmed and taken over by the far right. Take me for example, I consider myself to have socialist views and you only have to look at their various literature and conversations on social media outlets (and this thread) to see they take a dim view of people with my political beliefs. So as for the EDL being non political, I don’t think so."

I have always called myself a liberal and support the EDL partly because of the profoundly illiberal teachings of Islam. There are groups such as Britain First which I believe to be actually far right but my experience of the EDL has been that they have supporters from left, right and middle. I have no problem with socialists as such but only with the hard left who ally themselves with that strain of Islam which has called various things from Islamism to Islamo-fascism.

I posted the following link earlier and I urge you to read it in order to understand my concern. It is written by the organisation run by Maryam Namazie, herself an apostate and a communist (she says that!):

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Mr Nobody - I agree with much of what you say, such as the disastrous effect of Western meddling in the Middle East, but I wish to present a different view on this: "However, if you scratch the surface it is very clear that the original EDL founding movement has been overwhelmed and taken over by the far right. Take me for example, I consider myself to have socialist views and you only have to look at their various literature and conversations on social media outlets (and this thread) to see they take a dim view of people with my political beliefs. So as for the EDL being non political, I don’t think so." I have always called myself a liberal and support the EDL partly because of the profoundly illiberal teachings of Islam. There are groups such as Britain First which I believe to be actually far right but my experience of the EDL has been that they have supporters from left, right and middle. I have no problem with socialists as such but only with the hard left who ally themselves with that strain of Islam which has called various things from Islamism to Islamo-fascism. I posted the following link earlier and I urge you to read it in order to understand my concern. It is written by the organisation run by Maryam Namazie, herself an apostate and a communist (she says that!): http://freethoughtbl ogs.com/maryamnamazi e/files/2013/06/Sidi ngWithOpressor_Web.p df ECAW99
  • Score: -3

10:25am Fri 22 Aug 14

jsdorset says...

Oh the sweet irony that gets posted on here! It would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad.

On one side you have the football shirt wearing, beer swilling mob marching against islam. Who are exercising their right to march and protest. (Although don't understand why they would choose Bournemouth)

Then you have all these people posting calling them bigots and racists, and how they shouldnt be allowed to march.

Well to the people who post such things please read your posts out loud to yourselves as then you might see who is really being a bigot. I guess its ok to march if it were something you believed in protesting about, but as you deem it to be racist it shouldnt be allowed!!
As I said the sweet irony!
Oh the sweet irony that gets posted on here! It would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad. On one side you have the football shirt wearing, beer swilling mob marching against islam. Who are exercising their right to march and protest. (Although don't understand why they would choose Bournemouth) Then you have all these people posting calling them bigots and racists, and how they shouldnt be allowed to march. Well to the people who post such things please read your posts out loud to yourselves as then you might see who is really being a bigot. I guess its ok to march if it were something you believed in protesting about, but as you deem it to be racist it shouldnt be allowed!! As I said the sweet irony! jsdorset
  • Score: 6

11:26am Fri 22 Aug 14

fartycat says...

ASM wrote:
DansAFCB wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'
If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths.
I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere!
If that makes me racist then so be it!
with AFCB in your name. I'd like you to know that AFCB like all other football clubs and civil members of the public support the " Let's kick racism out of football campaign". Bournemouth have a lot of foreigners in their team. Grabban was a muslim when he scored all those goals for us last season. like I said before. JOIN THE ARMY IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT WITH ISLAM.
Well said ASM. DansAFCB you are a disgrace to AFC Bournemouth, if you want to see how racist your views actually are I'd suggest you stand at the front of the North Stand with a stop watch, and start preaching the type of crap you've been mouthing off on here just to see how fast you are removed from Dean Court, prosecuted and given a life ban.
[quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DansAFCB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: This 'I'm not EDL but…' line is wearing a bit thin – particularly as it is almost inevitably followed by a bigoted, anti-Islamic comment. It appears to be a variation of the classic 'I'm not racist but…'[/p][/quote]If you were meaning my post then No I am not EDL but at the same time I DO NOT like foreigners in this country and certainly do NOT want Islamic Extremists here. They come over here abuse our systems, (albeit the government allow it to happen due to PC now) treat our country as their own, build mosques, have their own areas, preach hatred need I go on????? Yes I am anti Islamic, I think the religion is evil to be honest, but that is my opinion and it is the opinion of the a lot of people but they are too scared to open their mouths. I have nothing but contempt for that religion. Ask yourself a question, if you went to any Muslim state would you be able to build a church? If you go to Dubai can you show affection to your partner in public? Can you carry a bible thru airport security without releasing it, No, can they carry the Koran thru without being checked, yes! In other words we abide by the rules, it is a shame that they don't respect our's! If they want to live here then live as an Englishman without the covering of the face etc etc, if they want to live as a Muslim and preach Islam then sod off back to that life in a Islamic Country somewhere! If that makes me racist then so be it![/p][/quote]with AFCB in your name. I'd like you to know that AFCB like all other football clubs and civil members of the public support the " Let's kick racism out of football campaign". Bournemouth have a lot of foreigners in their team. Grabban was a muslim when he scored all those goals for us last season. like I said before. JOIN THE ARMY IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT WITH ISLAM.[/p][/quote]Well said ASM. DansAFCB you are a disgrace to AFC Bournemouth, if you want to see how racist your views actually are I'd suggest you stand at the front of the North Stand with a stop watch, and start preaching the type of crap you've been mouthing off on here just to see how fast you are removed from Dean Court, prosecuted and given a life ban. fartycat
  • Score: 6

11:36am Fri 22 Aug 14

Baysider says...

jsdorset wrote:
Oh the sweet irony that gets posted on here! It would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad.

On one side you have the football shirt wearing, beer swilling mob marching against islam. Who are exercising their right to march and protest. (Although don't understand why they would choose Bournemouth)

Then you have all these people posting calling them bigots and racists, and how they shouldnt be allowed to march.

Well to the people who post such things please read your posts out loud to yourselves as then you might see who is really being a bigot. I guess its ok to march if it were something you believed in protesting about, but as you deem it to be racist it shouldnt be allowed!!
As I said the sweet irony!
Has ANYONE actually said the EDL should not be allowed to march through ideological differences? Or is that just your interpretation of some posters having a problem with their views in the same way they have a problem with other forms of extremism?
[quote][p][bold]jsdorset[/bold] wrote: Oh the sweet irony that gets posted on here! It would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad. On one side you have the football shirt wearing, beer swilling mob marching against islam. Who are exercising their right to march and protest. (Although don't understand why they would choose Bournemouth) Then you have all these people posting calling them bigots and racists, and how they shouldnt be allowed to march. Well to the people who post such things please read your posts out loud to yourselves as then you might see who is really being a bigot. I guess its ok to march if it were something you believed in protesting about, but as you deem it to be racist it shouldnt be allowed!! As I said the sweet irony![/p][/quote]Has ANYONE actually said the EDL should not be allowed to march through ideological differences? Or is that just your interpretation of some posters having a problem with their views in the same way they have a problem with other forms of extremism? Baysider
  • Score: -1

11:48am Fri 22 Aug 14

MrNobody says...

ECAW99 - from my post on here "I detest islamist extremism, I detest far right extremist just as much (and the same applies to the far left)."

I am fully aware that some on the far left spectrum of politics have a blinkered approach to Islamic extremism, I think the same can be said of all 'extremist groups".

However, one thing these groups seem to have in common is that they are all small minority groups killing, persecuting, bullying or scapegoating innocent people.

Of course we should all learn and understand what has and is happening in the world. We will find things on all sides that support one side or the other. The key, and most important thing, is to keep an open mind and not allay blame to only one side. It's simply not that simple. Barbaric killings / bombings on our streets should not be tolerated and neither should the constant military interventions of the 'western world' or the covert actions to overthrow govts / dictactorships the 'west' doesn't like. Everywhere this happens is a promoting tool for extremists. I believe violence breeds violence.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't defend yourself but has the military actions of our country and our allies really achieved anything? The IS evolved from Al-Quaeda which was formed after the invasion of Iraq in 2003. So it could be said that our govt and it's allies have shot us all in the foot with that one.

Recently, every country we have taken military action or economic sanctions against, such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya etc has destabilised and become a breeding ground for Islamic extremists. When someone sees their friends, family and countrymen being killed by an outside force they tend to want to take action against it. The very same thing happened in Northern Ireland after events like Bloody Sunday and IRA membership boomed. However, the 'west' doesn't seem that keen to get involved in countries where acts of extremism occur but the country is poor both in population and natural resources such as Rwanda where over a million were killed. But that's capitalist expansionism for you - if there is no profit, there is no point getting involved.

I can see that people might think this is all rambling and nothing do with the EDL but without knowing and learning from history, the continuous cycle of violence and extremism will remain.

Is Britain really being 'Islamified' I don't think so. Are there areas of concern about things happening in this country related to some militant Islamists - of course there is.

However I see no evidence that the EDL address the bigger picture. Islam is targeted for all the ills of the world. To me, they take a blinkered snapshot look at things. FGM is nothing knew. Yes it is barbaric in my opinion but it happens all over the world especially in less developed countries. Similar to the Jewish practice of turning boys from 'cavaliers' to 'roundheads'. Is eating halal meat wrong, I don't know, but it is very similar to eating kosher meat. These practices originate from outdated religious teachings. The irony is, both Muslim and Jewish religions are very simliar, they would be, they were one of the same until early in the history of this planet. Yet they now hate each other. The total hypocrisy of religion. So until I see the EDL denounce all religious extremism, including fundamental Christianity in the USA, I can't see them as anything other yet another extremist group.
ECAW99 - from my post on here "I detest islamist extremism, I detest far right extremist just as much (and the same applies to the far left)." I am fully aware that some on the far left spectrum of politics have a blinkered approach to Islamic extremism, I think the same can be said of all 'extremist groups". However, one thing these groups seem to have in common is that they are all small minority groups killing, persecuting, bullying or scapegoating innocent people. Of course we should all learn and understand what has and is happening in the world. We will find things on all sides that support one side or the other. The key, and most important thing, is to keep an open mind and not allay blame to only one side. It's simply not that simple. Barbaric killings / bombings on our streets should not be tolerated and neither should the constant military interventions of the 'western world' or the covert actions to overthrow govts / dictactorships the 'west' doesn't like. Everywhere this happens is a promoting tool for extremists. I believe violence breeds violence. That doesn't mean you shouldn't defend yourself but has the military actions of our country and our allies really achieved anything? The IS evolved from Al-Quaeda which was formed after the invasion of Iraq in 2003. So it could be said that our govt and it's allies have shot us all in the foot with that one. Recently, every country we have taken military action or economic sanctions against, such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya etc has destabilised and become a breeding ground for Islamic extremists. When someone sees their friends, family and countrymen being killed by an outside force they tend to want to take action against it. The very same thing happened in Northern Ireland after events like Bloody Sunday and IRA membership boomed. However, the 'west' doesn't seem that keen to get involved in countries where acts of extremism occur but the country is poor both in population and natural resources such as Rwanda where over a million were killed. But that's capitalist expansionism for you - if there is no profit, there is no point getting involved. I can see that people might think this is all rambling and nothing do with the EDL but without knowing and learning from history, the continuous cycle of violence and extremism will remain. Is Britain really being 'Islamified' I don't think so. Are there areas of concern about things happening in this country related to some militant Islamists - of course there is. However I see no evidence that the EDL address the bigger picture. Islam is targeted for all the ills of the world. To me, they take a blinkered snapshot look at things. FGM is nothing knew. Yes it is barbaric in my opinion but it happens all over the world especially in less developed countries. Similar to the Jewish practice of turning boys from 'cavaliers' to 'roundheads'. Is eating halal meat wrong, I don't know, but it is very similar to eating kosher meat. These practices originate from outdated religious teachings. The irony is, both Muslim and Jewish religions are very simliar, they would be, they were one of the same until early in the history of this planet. Yet they now hate each other. The total hypocrisy of religion. So until I see the EDL denounce all religious extremism, including fundamental Christianity in the USA, I can't see them as anything other yet another extremist group. MrNobody
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Fri 22 Aug 14

MrNobody says...

ps got my date wrong about origins of Al-Quaeda. It was formed after the Gulf War and invasion of Iraq in 1991.
ps got my date wrong about origins of Al-Quaeda. It was formed after the Gulf War and invasion of Iraq in 1991. MrNobody
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen.

Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it?

It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.
Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen. Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it? It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse. Marty Caine
  • Score: -4

12:54pm Fri 22 Aug 14

rozmister says...

Marty Caine wrote:
Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen.

Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it?

It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.
I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen. Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it? It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.[/p][/quote]I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam. rozmister
  • Score: 6

2:14pm Fri 22 Aug 14

A N Archist says...

Only 24 hours to go. I will be turning out on the counter demo. Having attended 2 steering committee meetings with the police in attendance at one the counter marchers have cooperated all the way. Also the counter march is being billed as and will be a celebration of diversity in Bournemouth.

I have seen 2 EDL marches in the last two years and witnessed

1. 3 EDL thugs drunk as skunks attack a woman on her own with 2 children; one in a pushchair

2. 6 EDL knuckle draggers again drunk as skunks attack a woman on her own, knock her to the ground and kick her because she was carrying a UNITE the union flag which, by the way, had been rolled up as she was making her way home from a counter demo.

Look at the EDL page on fb and it will tell you all you need to know. The bile, racisim and hate is there for all to see along with a substantial dollop of illiterarcy. Fashlexia no doubt.

This is about defending your community from an influx of as well as local racist trash that just want to get drunk and beat up the town.

It's your town people. It's up to you on the day whether turn out to defend it or not.

To the blathering idiot who, in a previous, article responded to one of my posts with 'We've offered to meet you several times ANTIFA and you've never shown up'. Get a life little boy Im nothing to do with ANTIFA

Understand one thing if the EDL hadnt decided to come to town this bank holiday there would be no counter demo. They will be to blame for any disruption if anyone kicks off it won't be the trade unionists and community groups holding whats nothing more than a celebratory street carnival which I truly hope helps enhance the bank holiday weekend.
Only 24 hours to go. I will be turning out on the counter demo. Having attended 2 steering committee meetings with the police in attendance at one the counter marchers have cooperated all the way. Also the counter march is being billed as and will be a celebration of diversity in Bournemouth. I have seen 2 EDL marches in the last two years and witnessed 1. 3 EDL thugs drunk as skunks attack a woman on her own with 2 children; one in a pushchair 2. 6 EDL knuckle draggers again drunk as skunks attack a woman on her own, knock her to the ground and kick her because she was carrying a UNITE the union flag which, by the way, had been rolled up as she was making her way home from a counter demo. Look at the EDL page on fb and it will tell you all you need to know. The bile, racisim and hate is there for all to see along with a substantial dollop of illiterarcy. Fashlexia no doubt. This is about defending your community from an influx of as well as local racist trash that just want to get drunk and beat up the town. It's your town people. It's up to you on the day whether turn out to defend it or not. To the blathering idiot who, in a previous, article responded to one of my posts with 'We've offered to meet you several times ANTIFA and you've never shown up'. Get a life little boy Im nothing to do with ANTIFA Understand one thing if the EDL hadnt decided to come to town this bank holiday there would be no counter demo. They will be to blame for any disruption if anyone kicks off it won't be the trade unionists and community groups holding whats nothing more than a celebratory street carnival which I truly hope helps enhance the bank holiday weekend. A N Archist
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine wrote:
Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen.

Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it?

It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.
I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam.
I am sure you are trying to make a point there but I do really fail to see what it is, it almost comes across as you are trying to say that because a majority is peaceful we should simply ignore the extremists minority. 20 million decent Muslims stood up against Jihadism in Egypt, the 20 million being the majority, it still has not stopped that minority growing has it.

In Iraq at the moment ISIS are the minority there and yet they are slaughtering 1000's of innocent men, women and children, sorry I don't think I can honestly ignore that minority simply because the majority are decent people. Not really sure how anyone can.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen. Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it? It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.[/p][/quote]I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are trying to make a point there but I do really fail to see what it is, it almost comes across as you are trying to say that because a majority is peaceful we should simply ignore the extremists minority. 20 million decent Muslims stood up against Jihadism in Egypt, the 20 million being the majority, it still has not stopped that minority growing has it. In Iraq at the moment ISIS are the minority there and yet they are slaughtering 1000's of innocent men, women and children, sorry I don't think I can honestly ignore that minority simply because the majority are decent people. Not really sure how anyone can. Marty Caine
  • Score: -2

3:56pm Fri 22 Aug 14

A N Archist says...

Oh lets get one thing straight. Opposing the likes of the BNP, Britain First, The EDL, or the New British Union isn't about supporting Islam it's about opposing racism and the creed of hate.
Oh lets get one thing straight. Opposing the likes of the BNP, Britain First, The EDL, or the New British Union isn't about supporting Islam it's about opposing racism and the creed of hate. A N Archist
  • Score: 0

4:06pm Fri 22 Aug 14

ECAW99 says...

Mr Nobody - You seem a reasonable person who can bear to disagree without launching into name calling and insults so I will try to address what I see as some factual errors in your post.

1. Is Britain being Islamified? It came as a surprise for us to learn that the population have all been eating halal food without knowing it (unlike kosher). That means that they have also been paying for it. A proportion of the money accruing from the halal industry goes towards zakat which is called charity but could better be described as a religious tax. There are (I think) eight categories of activities prescribed for zakat in Islamic orthodoxy, one of which is jihad. On the other side, groups of demonstrators, backed by an MP, have been attempting to pressurise supermarkets into not stocking the food of their traditional enemies, the Jews. Do you see a pattern here?

2. I think involuntary circumcision of girls or boys is indefensible in the modern world but you must know that FGM is not in the same league as infant male circumcision. I cannot understand how you could possibly think they are equivalent. You are wrong to say FGM happens all over the world. It happens in some non-Muslim African countries but did you know that female circumcision is mandated in shariah? That's why the practice is actually spreading in Indonesia where it never happened before.

3. Yes, Islam and Judaism have a lot in common but the crucial difference is that Judaism is not a proselytising religion. Christianity is a proselytising religion but neither carry at their heart the instruction to bring the whole world under their religion by peaceful or violent means as Islam does (please don't bring up the crusades or the inquisition - Christianity grew out of that sort of thing a long time ago). This means that there is only one "extremist" religion, as you call it, which currently poses a threat to its neighbours.

4. On the subject of religious extremism, we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope when it comes to Islam. ISIS and Boko Haram are not extremist at all in religious terms. They very closely follow the teachings and example of Mohammed and use the scriptures quite accurately for justification of their actions. If they are extremists then so was Mohammed. If Mohammed was not an extremist then neither are they.

I know this is a long way from the saccharine version of Islam which our kids are taught in school but it is true. I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm asking you to go to the sources and investigate what they really say.
Mr Nobody - You seem a reasonable person who can bear to disagree without launching into name calling and insults so I will try to address what I see as some factual errors in your post. 1. Is Britain being Islamified? It came as a surprise for us to learn that the population have all been eating halal food without knowing it (unlike kosher). That means that they have also been paying for it. A proportion of the money accruing from the halal industry goes towards zakat which is called charity but could better be described as a religious tax. There are (I think) eight categories of activities prescribed for zakat in Islamic orthodoxy, one of which is jihad. On the other side, groups of demonstrators, backed by an MP, have been attempting to pressurise supermarkets into not stocking the food of their traditional enemies, the Jews. Do you see a pattern here? 2. I think involuntary circumcision of girls or boys is indefensible in the modern world but you must know that FGM is not in the same league as infant male circumcision. I cannot understand how you could possibly think they are equivalent. You are wrong to say FGM happens all over the world. It happens in some non-Muslim African countries but did you know that female circumcision is mandated in shariah? That's why the practice is actually spreading in Indonesia where it never happened before. 3. Yes, Islam and Judaism have a lot in common but the crucial difference is that Judaism is not a proselytising religion. Christianity is a proselytising religion but neither carry at their heart the instruction to bring the whole world under their religion by peaceful or violent means as Islam does (please don't bring up the crusades or the inquisition - Christianity grew out of that sort of thing a long time ago). This means that there is only one "extremist" religion, as you call it, which currently poses a threat to its neighbours. 4. On the subject of religious extremism, we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope when it comes to Islam. ISIS and Boko Haram are not extremist at all in religious terms. They very closely follow the teachings and example of Mohammed and use the scriptures quite accurately for justification of their actions. If they are extremists then so was Mohammed. If Mohammed was not an extremist then neither are they. I know this is a long way from the saccharine version of Islam which our kids are taught in school but it is true. I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm asking you to go to the sources and investigate what they really say. ECAW99
  • Score: 1

7:12pm Fri 22 Aug 14

rozmister says...

Marty Caine wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine wrote:
Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen.

Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it?

It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.
I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam.
I am sure you are trying to make a point there but I do really fail to see what it is, it almost comes across as you are trying to say that because a majority is peaceful we should simply ignore the extremists minority. 20 million decent Muslims stood up against Jihadism in Egypt, the 20 million being the majority, it still has not stopped that minority growing has it.

In Iraq at the moment ISIS are the minority there and yet they are slaughtering 1000's of innocent men, women and children, sorry I don't think I can honestly ignore that minority simply because the majority are decent people. Not really sure how anyone can.
My point was that the moral panic about muslim extremists is just that - a panic. There are much bigger problems within our society that no one bothers to march through Bournemouth about. Are you going to be marching through the streets against domestic abuse next week or to protest against drink driving? Both of those things pose a much bigger and real threat to people in the UK and yet no one is up in arms because they're not issues linked to immigration.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen. Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it? It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.[/p][/quote]I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are trying to make a point there but I do really fail to see what it is, it almost comes across as you are trying to say that because a majority is peaceful we should simply ignore the extremists minority. 20 million decent Muslims stood up against Jihadism in Egypt, the 20 million being the majority, it still has not stopped that minority growing has it. In Iraq at the moment ISIS are the minority there and yet they are slaughtering 1000's of innocent men, women and children, sorry I don't think I can honestly ignore that minority simply because the majority are decent people. Not really sure how anyone can.[/p][/quote]My point was that the moral panic about muslim extremists is just that - a panic. There are much bigger problems within our society that no one bothers to march through Bournemouth about. Are you going to be marching through the streets against domestic abuse next week or to protest against drink driving? Both of those things pose a much bigger and real threat to people in the UK and yet no one is up in arms because they're not issues linked to immigration. rozmister
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Fri 22 Aug 14

rozmister says...

Marty Caine wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Marty Caine wrote:
Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen.

Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it?

It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.
I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam.
I am sure you are trying to make a point there but I do really fail to see what it is, it almost comes across as you are trying to say that because a majority is peaceful we should simply ignore the extremists minority. 20 million decent Muslims stood up against Jihadism in Egypt, the 20 million being the majority, it still has not stopped that minority growing has it.

In Iraq at the moment ISIS are the minority there and yet they are slaughtering 1000's of innocent men, women and children, sorry I don't think I can honestly ignore that minority simply because the majority are decent people. Not really sure how anyone can.
My point was that the moral panic about muslim extremists is just that - a panic. There are much bigger problems within our society that no one bothers to march through Bournemouth about. Are you going to be marching through the streets against domestic abuse next week or to protest against drink driving? Both of those things pose a much bigger and real threat to people in the UK and yet no one is up in arms because they're not issues linked to immigration.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: Serious question, in the Telegraph today there is a story about a 22 year old woman from Lewisham who is out in Syria, her ambition is to be the first Jihadist female to behead a UK or US citizen. Now do you think that because that kind of indoctrination is going on in our own country people are racist because they believe that is wrong and protest about it? It really is happening and if the government does not clamp down on hate preachers, I fear things are going to get a whole lot worse.[/p][/quote]I read in the paper yesterday that 500 muslims have gone out to join ISIS (with 250 having returned to the UK already). We have a Muslim community with about 4 million members so those fanatics represent 0.000125% of the British Muslim population. We're talking about a minute proportion of the Muslim community who would probably be fanatical about something else if it wasn't Islam.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are trying to make a point there but I do really fail to see what it is, it almost comes across as you are trying to say that because a majority is peaceful we should simply ignore the extremists minority. 20 million decent Muslims stood up against Jihadism in Egypt, the 20 million being the majority, it still has not stopped that minority growing has it. In Iraq at the moment ISIS are the minority there and yet they are slaughtering 1000's of innocent men, women and children, sorry I don't think I can honestly ignore that minority simply because the majority are decent people. Not really sure how anyone can.[/p][/quote]My point was that the moral panic about muslim extremists is just that - a panic. There are much bigger problems within our society that no one bothers to march through Bournemouth about. Are you going to be marching through the streets against domestic abuse next week or to protest against drink driving? Both of those things pose a much bigger and real threat to people in the UK and yet no one is up in arms because they're not issues linked to immigration. rozmister
  • Score: 1

7:54pm Fri 22 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

bogtrotter wrote:
PokesdownMark wrote:
The Liberal wrote:
Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.
It is difficult to finesse the difference in a few words, typically all you can fit onto a banner. But what is the difference? I suppose praying to a god is perfectly acceptable. But claiming to have had an answer and to therefore be able to tell others how to live - that, to me, crosses the line. But I dislike any organised religion. So my line is likely in a different place to many?

I'm not EDL. But I do think it is a shame they have such a shocking reputation. In this country we absolutely do need a strong political opposition to Islamic extremism. Starting with a thorough definition of what extremism includes. For example, a parent who instructs their 8yr old to have no social contact with non-Muslims because they are "not like us". Is that extremist? If so, how do we tackle that? Our politicians do not seem to want to grasp the nettles that seem to have grown in one or two places in our garden.
I like the 8 year old example, hits the nail on the head. As a nation, we are so weak, that includes the lefty citizens talking utter nonsense about everyone being racist. The fact is, England is a Christian country. Immigrants that choose to come here should embrace the culture, language, ethics etc, after all, they decided to come here. If I moved to Karachi/Kabul/Baghda

d and didn't adapt to their culture, I'm sure I wouldn't last very long. However, back to the original story, this is against extremism so everyone should be for it.
Look it up on line.
WHEN WILL BRITAIN BECOME MUSLIM STATE.
You will be quite surprised.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.[/p][/quote]It is difficult to finesse the difference in a few words, typically all you can fit onto a banner. But what is the difference? I suppose praying to a god is perfectly acceptable. But claiming to have had an answer and to therefore be able to tell others how to live - that, to me, crosses the line. But I dislike any organised religion. So my line is likely in a different place to many? I'm not EDL. But I do think it is a shame they have such a shocking reputation. In this country we absolutely do need a strong political opposition to Islamic extremism. Starting with a thorough definition of what extremism includes. For example, a parent who instructs their 8yr old to have no social contact with non-Muslims because they are "not like us". Is that extremist? If so, how do we tackle that? Our politicians do not seem to want to grasp the nettles that seem to have grown in one or two places in our garden.[/p][/quote]I like the 8 year old example, hits the nail on the head. As a nation, we are so weak, that includes the lefty citizens talking utter nonsense about everyone being racist. The fact is, England is a Christian country. Immigrants that choose to come here should embrace the culture, language, ethics etc, after all, they decided to come here. If I moved to Karachi/Kabul/Baghda d and didn't adapt to their culture, I'm sure I wouldn't last very long. However, back to the original story, this is against extremism so everyone should be for it.[/p][/quote]Look it up on line. WHEN WILL BRITAIN BECOME MUSLIM STATE. You will be quite surprised. cromwell9
  • Score: 0

12:18am Sat 23 Aug 14

MrNobody says...

To ECAW99: I think I may have failed but in my original post I was attempting to highlight that many centuries ago predominantly Christian countries and their followers were just as barbaric as many modern day predominantly Muslim countries and their followers are today. I put that down to these current day countries not having socially evolved to the extent to which most other countries in the world have and western intervention does not and will not allow them to do it. Of course, I do not think civilised countries should stand back when atrocities occur but, to me, they only intervene when it suits them and usually for economic profit. Consistency is required or it will always perceived as persecution and inadvertently push a very small minority towards extremist movements.

In my second post I attempted to highlight the irony of different religions, whose origins are the same, absolutely hating each other. But hey, look at the world today, and all religions seem to follow this example to a lesser or greater extent.

To answer your points:-

1) To be honest, I am not in a financial position to pick and choose whether the food I eat is halal, kosher or from battery farming. Given the financial opportunity I would choose whichever option is the most humane to the animal. I wouldn’t worry too much about finances from the sale of halal food finding its way to fund extremists. It’s a drop in the ocean compared to the individual anonymous wealthy backers they have in the middle east from countries such as Saudi Arabia. But the “west” will not dare to interfere or challenge that because it is not in their economic interests to do so. As for the MP you mentioned, again being honest, whoever it is, they are a fool and anyone who thinks such behaviour will influence the good people of this country could be classed similarly. To me, that kind of hyperbole is just scaremongering.

2) Yes, as I said in my post, FGM is barbaric, and you are right, you can’t really compare that to male circumcision. I was trying to draw comparisons as mentioned above. And yes, you are right, it is not carried out throughout the world but mainly in African countries. As for it being mandated under Sharia law, I don’t know, but wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was. A question to you: Do you really believe the majority of Muslims in this country want to live under Sharia law? I simply do not and firmly believe they would resist any attempt by any organisation to enforce it together with the rest of the people in the UK. When push comes to shove, do you really believe that the people of this country are not capable of defending themselves and standing up against those who threaten us? Do you really believe that we need the EDL to do this for us?

3) Proselytising is a big old word for me to understand but yes Judaism is not and Islam and Christianity is. And yes, in Europe, Christianity does not “carry at their heart the instruction to bring the whole world under their religion by peaceful or violent means” but try telling that to the Muslims who live in countries such as Central African Republic who are attacked and killed by Christians simply because they have different religious beliefs. And that brings me back to my original post, such countries are not socially evolved as much as others in the world where there is tolerance of different beliefs and cultures. And, unfortunately, there will be continued violence in such areas until they socially evolve to a position where they are willing to live peacefully with each other. And, unfortunately, no matter how hard the “western world” try to enforce their own beliefs and principles upon these regions, it will not happen until the people want it.

4) I am no expert on religion but I have to disagree here. As far as I know, ISIS follow Islamic teachings set in the period around 675AD - way before those of Mohhamed. However I would agree that where followers are deemed as extremists that may not necessarily mean the teachings of that religion are extremist, it’s more the way it is distorted by it’s followers and, it could be said, by those who are opposed to a particular religion. However, being an atheist, I view all religions as extreme with some currently peaceful and some currently violent but at some time in their history all have been violent and caused wars.

And finally a question for you, if the EDL is an all inclusive non partizan movement, it would be interesting to know how many of those attending the EDL march on Saturday 'support’ Rangers and how many 'support’ Celtic. The problem I have, is no matter how much the EDL protest that it is an all encompassing movement, from what I read, see and hear, the majority of EDL followers simply do not hold the same view.
To ECAW99: I think I may have failed but in my original post I was attempting to highlight that many centuries ago predominantly Christian countries and their followers were just as barbaric as many modern day predominantly Muslim countries and their followers are today. I put that down to these current day countries not having socially evolved to the extent to which most other countries in the world have and western intervention does not and will not allow them to do it. Of course, I do not think civilised countries should stand back when atrocities occur but, to me, they only intervene when it suits them and usually for economic profit. Consistency is required or it will always perceived as persecution and inadvertently push a very small minority towards extremist movements. In my second post I attempted to highlight the irony of different religions, whose origins are the same, absolutely hating each other. But hey, look at the world today, and all religions seem to follow this example to a lesser or greater extent. To answer your points:- 1) To be honest, I am not in a financial position to pick and choose whether the food I eat is halal, kosher or from battery farming. Given the financial opportunity I would choose whichever option is the most humane to the animal. I wouldn’t worry too much about finances from the sale of halal food finding its way to fund extremists. It’s a drop in the ocean compared to the individual anonymous wealthy backers they have in the middle east from countries such as Saudi Arabia. But the “west” will not dare to interfere or challenge that because it is not in their economic interests to do so. As for the MP you mentioned, again being honest, whoever it is, they are a fool and anyone who thinks such behaviour will influence the good people of this country could be classed similarly. To me, that kind of hyperbole is just scaremongering. 2) Yes, as I said in my post, FGM is barbaric, and you are right, you can’t really compare that to male circumcision. I was trying to draw comparisons as mentioned above. And yes, you are right, it is not carried out throughout the world but mainly in African countries. As for it being mandated under Sharia law, I don’t know, but wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was. A question to you: Do you really believe the majority of Muslims in this country want to live under Sharia law? I simply do not and firmly believe they would resist any attempt by any organisation to enforce it together with the rest of the people in the UK. When push comes to shove, do you really believe that the people of this country are not capable of defending themselves and standing up against those who threaten us? Do you really believe that we need the EDL to do this for us? 3) Proselytising is a big old word for me to understand but yes Judaism is not and Islam and Christianity is. And yes, in Europe, Christianity does not “carry at their heart the instruction to bring the whole world under their religion by peaceful or violent means” but try telling that to the Muslims who live in countries such as Central African Republic who are attacked and killed by Christians simply because they have different religious beliefs. And that brings me back to my original post, such countries are not socially evolved as much as others in the world where there is tolerance of different beliefs and cultures. And, unfortunately, there will be continued violence in such areas until they socially evolve to a position where they are willing to live peacefully with each other. And, unfortunately, no matter how hard the “western world” try to enforce their own beliefs and principles upon these regions, it will not happen until the people want it. 4) I am no expert on religion but I have to disagree here. As far as I know, ISIS follow Islamic teachings set in the period around 675AD - way before those of Mohhamed. However I would agree that where followers are deemed as extremists that may not necessarily mean the teachings of that religion are extremist, it’s more the way it is distorted by it’s followers and, it could be said, by those who are opposed to a particular religion. However, being an atheist, I view all religions as extreme with some currently peaceful and some currently violent but at some time in their history all have been violent and caused wars. And finally a question for you, if the EDL is an all inclusive non partizan movement, it would be interesting to know how many of those attending the EDL march on Saturday 'support’ Rangers and how many 'support’ Celtic. The problem I have, is no matter how much the EDL protest that it is an all encompassing movement, from what I read, see and hear, the majority of EDL followers simply do not hold the same view. MrNobody
  • Score: 3

7:47am Sat 23 Aug 14

ECAW99 says...

Mr Nobody - Thankyou for your reply.

"I put that down to these current day countries not having socially evolved to the extent to which most other countries in the world have and western intervention does not and will not allow them to do it."

Is it only the West which prevents Muslim countries from evolving? That's a very condescending view of them as having no say in or responsibility in their own situation. Could it also be because they are locked into a mediaeval mindset by a religion which forbids enquiry and development because the perfect religion was given to them 1400 years ago. I'm sure you know what happens to anyone in the Muslim world who says "Hey, this is holding us back. Let's join the modern world!".

"Do you really believe the majority of Muslims in this country want to live under Sharia law?"

Never mind what I believe. Look up the Pew Research polls from a few years ago. From memory it was about 30% of Muslims who wanted shariah law with the young being more in favour than the old. It doesn't take a majority to enforce their views on the rest, only greater conviction and scriptural support. And yes, I do believe we need the EDL, not to defend us but to alert us. It seems that the rest of the population either agree about the danger but just moan behind closed doors or are asleep. Sadly it will take more Lee Rigby or Nairobi shopping mall style events to rouse us from our slumber.

"try telling that to the Muslims who live in countries such as Central African Republic who are attacked and killed by Christians simply because they have different religious beliefs."

Unfortunately you have accepted what the media tells us at face value. What actually happened in CAR is that a year or so ago Muslim insurgents staged a coup and took over the country (with a Muslim population of only 20% of the whole). This is in line with similar coups or attempted coups or running conflicts right across sub-saharan Africa from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean. Eventually the rest of the population, Christian and animist, fought back but the Western press only told you that Muslims are being persecuted for their beliefs.

"As far as I know, ISIS follow Islamic teachings set in the period around 675AD - way before those of Mohhamed."

I'm afraid you've got that all wrong. Mohammed died in 632 AD. Did you think there was an Islam before him? Apart from the koranic verses used by ISIS to justify there actions, I suggest you Google "Kinana ibn al-Rabi" and "Um Qirfa" to get a glimpse of how Mohammed operated and why ISIS are following his example.

"it would be interesting to know how many of those attending the EDL march on Saturday 'support’ Rangers and how many 'support’ Celtic."

I'm sorry, I don't understand the relevance of this at all. Firstly, I don't think the EDL have much interest in Scottish football. On the larger point, the EDL gives a pretty rough impression I know, but it does encompass the likes of me and plenty of non football fans like me. Perhaps you didn't know that it also has a Sikh group and an LGBT group. The mainstream media won't tell you that. They just lazily and inaccurately refer to them as the far-right and racist EDL. As it happens this is the first newspaper account I can remember coming across which has omitted those tags in their introduction. That's progress I suppose. Unfortunately I think it will take a few more atrocities on our streets before they are referred to as "the patriot group, the EDL".

I see this article has now been superseded so I won't be posting here again.
Mr Nobody - Thankyou for your reply. "I put that down to these current day countries not having socially evolved to the extent to which most other countries in the world have and western intervention does not and will not allow them to do it." Is it only the West which prevents Muslim countries from evolving? That's a very condescending view of them as having no say in or responsibility in their own situation. Could it also be because they are locked into a mediaeval mindset by a religion which forbids enquiry and development because the perfect religion was given to them 1400 years ago. I'm sure you know what happens to anyone in the Muslim world who says "Hey, this is holding us back. Let's join the modern world!". "Do you really believe the majority of Muslims in this country want to live under Sharia law?" Never mind what I believe. Look up the Pew Research polls from a few years ago. From memory it was about 30% of Muslims who wanted shariah law with the young being more in favour than the old. It doesn't take a majority to enforce their views on the rest, only greater conviction and scriptural support. And yes, I do believe we need the EDL, not to defend us but to alert us. It seems that the rest of the population either agree about the danger but just moan behind closed doors or are asleep. Sadly it will take more Lee Rigby or Nairobi shopping mall style events to rouse us from our slumber. "try telling that to the Muslims who live in countries such as Central African Republic who are attacked and killed by Christians simply because they have different religious beliefs." Unfortunately you have accepted what the media tells us at face value. What actually happened in CAR is that a year or so ago Muslim insurgents staged a coup and took over the country (with a Muslim population of only 20% of the whole). This is in line with similar coups or attempted coups or running conflicts right across sub-saharan Africa from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean. Eventually the rest of the population, Christian and animist, fought back but the Western press only told you that Muslims are being persecuted for their beliefs. "As far as I know, ISIS follow Islamic teachings set in the period around 675AD - way before those of Mohhamed." I'm afraid you've got that all wrong. Mohammed died in 632 AD. Did you think there was an Islam before him? Apart from the koranic verses used by ISIS to justify there actions, I suggest you Google "Kinana ibn al-Rabi" and "Um Qirfa" to get a glimpse of how Mohammed operated and why ISIS are following his example. "it would be interesting to know how many of those attending the EDL march on Saturday 'support’ Rangers and how many 'support’ Celtic." I'm sorry, I don't understand the relevance of this at all. Firstly, I don't think the EDL have much interest in Scottish football. On the larger point, the EDL gives a pretty rough impression I know, but it does encompass the likes of me and plenty of non football fans like me. Perhaps you didn't know that it also has a Sikh group and an LGBT group. The mainstream media won't tell you that. They just lazily and inaccurately refer to them as the far-right and racist EDL. As it happens this is the first newspaper account I can remember coming across which has omitted those tags in their introduction. That's progress I suppose. Unfortunately I think it will take a few more atrocities on our streets before they are referred to as "the patriot group, the EDL". I see this article has now been superseded so I won't be posting here again. ECAW99
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Sat 23 Aug 14

MrNobody says...

If you don't see the relevance of the Rangers / Celtic question then I am afraid you do not seem to know anything about the followers of EDL and those who attend their marches
If you don't see the relevance of the Rangers / Celtic question then I am afraid you do not seem to know anything about the followers of EDL and those who attend their marches MrNobody
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

MrNobody wrote:
If you don't see the relevance of the Rangers / Celtic question then I am afraid you do not seem to know anything about the followers of EDL and those who attend their marches
Do you seriously believe that the Celtic/Rangers fans would support the EDL, surely they would be more likely to support the SDL, wouldn't they?
[quote][p][bold]MrNobody[/bold] wrote: If you don't see the relevance of the Rangers / Celtic question then I am afraid you do not seem to know anything about the followers of EDL and those who attend their marches[/p][/quote]Do you seriously believe that the Celtic/Rangers fans would support the EDL, surely they would be more likely to support the SDL, wouldn't they? Marty Caine
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Sat 23 Aug 14

MrNobody says...

To Marti Caine - you obviously do not know much about EDL followers either - look up Casuals United one of their splinter groups
To Marti Caine - you obviously do not know much about EDL followers either - look up Casuals United one of their splinter groups MrNobody
  • Score: 0

3:33pm Sun 24 Aug 14

jsdorset says...

Here are a few facts about the so called religion of peace.

Since 9/11 there have been over 19,000 deadly islamic attacks and violent murders by muslims worldwide in the name of allah. Thats over 28 per week! Wow where do I sign up for this wonderful religion of peace.

No matter if you are for EDL or against them. This is a staggering figure and far from it extolling the virtues of the religion of peace. It shows its true colours.
What exacerbates this fact is the silence from the 3 million plus muslims over here. Where are the protests from the muslims condemning this? Where are the muslims condemning the atrocities of ISIS or IS? All you get is the odd one or two or a political organisation like Quillam saying that they are not true muslims. Which is not true as if you bother to read the koran and the hadiths you will find that ISIS and the likes of them are following the so called word of allah to the letter.

What is even more disturbing is an ICM poll that was in the telegraph showed that 20 percent of the UK muslim population had sympathy with the London bombers, it also showed that 40 percent of UK muslims wants sharia law here.

If you are still not concerned do watch this https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAO
o3s&feature=youtu.be as it has some very interesting points to consider.
Here are a few facts about the so called religion of peace. Since 9/11 there have been over 19,000 deadly islamic attacks and violent murders by muslims worldwide in the name of allah. Thats over 28 per week! Wow where do I sign up for this wonderful religion of peace. No matter if you are for EDL or against them. This is a staggering figure and far from it extolling the virtues of the religion of peace. It shows its true colours. What exacerbates this fact is the silence from the 3 million plus muslims over here. Where are the protests from the muslims condemning this? Where are the muslims condemning the atrocities of ISIS or IS? All you get is the odd one or two or a political organisation like Quillam saying that they are not true muslims. Which is not true as if you bother to read the koran and the hadiths you will find that ISIS and the likes of them are following the so called word of allah to the letter. What is even more disturbing is an ICM poll that was in the telegraph showed that 20 percent of the UK muslim population had sympathy with the London bombers, it also showed that 40 percent of UK muslims wants sharia law here. If you are still not concerned do watch this https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAO o3s&feature=youtu.be as it has some very interesting points to consider. jsdorset
  • Score: 8

8:41pm Sun 14 Sep 14

davidh1975 says...

The Liberal wrote:
Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.
How about you listen to what the EDL actually say and declare in plain English that they are against rather than comment on some lefty bias opinion ref what you think they stand against!
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: Let's get one thing clear: the EDL aren't protesting against Islamic extremism, they're protesting against Islam itself. The messages on some of their banners make that obvious.[/p][/quote]How about you listen to what the EDL actually say and declare in plain English that they are against rather than comment on some lefty bias opinion ref what you think they stand against! davidh1975
  • Score: 0

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